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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Has the public been dignified?

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Speaker 2: Man on the streets reveal overwhelming sentiments that the beatings,

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Speaker 2: the bribes, the gun threats, the arson, it's all just

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Speaker 2: a bad relationship between Combs and Cassie Ventura.

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Speaker 1: Are they crazy? This as we.

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Speaker 2: Learned, Shawn Combs rakes in over four million dollars since

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Speaker 2: his arrest. How, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. How in the hay

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Speaker 2: is Shawn Cobs raking in over four million dollars since

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Speaker 2: his arrest? Now he heard about a money making scheme

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Speaker 2: with Kanye and saw that horrible video of him with

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Speaker 2: the titanium teeth.

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Speaker 1: Drooling in the dentist share But it's not that.

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Speaker 2: But to the courtroom, joining us an all star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know.

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Speaker 1: Now, it has been a long day.

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Speaker 2: In the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez. She is

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Speaker 2: the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast titled

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Speaker 2: The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts.

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Speaker 1: Her money and thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: First thing this morning we saw a videographer expert on

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Speaker 2: the stand.

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Speaker 1: What was the point right today?

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Speaker 3: First thing, in the morning. A video expert, his name

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Speaker 3: is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and

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Speaker 3: he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage, and

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Speaker 3: also sex videos. On the stand, he's basically giving these

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Speaker 3: videos legitimacy because as we know, Didty's attorneys, particularly with

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Speaker 3: the LA assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and

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Speaker 3: is are legitimate, they have not been messed with, and

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Speaker 2: Essentially, you know from the get go straight out to

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Speaker 2: Greg Morse, joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is

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Speaker 2: the lead partner at Morse Legal and author of the

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Speaker 2: Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse, I believe there was a

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Speaker 2: time that you suggested that the Frea Coff videos were

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Speaker 2: a myth, that they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well,

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Speaker 2: buckle your seat belt because this expert on the stand

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Speaker 2: that Harmonia just described is laying the foundation. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean whenever you bring in a video and audio recording,

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Speaker 2: really any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or

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Speaker 2: a picture or an article of clothing. You have to

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Speaker 2: lay the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, Judge,

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Speaker 2: can I bring in these notes?

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Speaker 1: No, you have to say.

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Speaker 2: You have to have a witness under oath to say

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Speaker 2: what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did

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Speaker 2: it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't

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Speaker 2: been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan where.

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Speaker 1: Anybody could change it.

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Speaker 2: You've got to show that hasn't been tampered with, and

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Speaker 2: the chain of custody, who's held it, who's been in

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Speaker 2: charge of it, is complete. There's not a break in

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Speaker 2: the chain and what it purports to be that gives

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Speaker 2: the other side a chance to object on any of

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Speaker 1: So it's happening, Morse.

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Speaker 2: This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of

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Speaker 2: the freak Off tapes, which you at one time said

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Speaker 2: if it didn't happen, Yes you did.

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, they can introduce the freak Off videos again.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean sex trafficking and rico happened here, and

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Speaker 4: testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two so they

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Speaker 4: can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to

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Speaker 4: trafficking yet. So they can introduce all the videos they want.

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Speaker 4: But their core of their indictment is centered around the

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Speaker 4: domestic abuse video where Miss Ventura is being beaten in

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Speaker 4: that hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so

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Speaker 4: the freak off videos are going to come in. When

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Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you said, I don't know if these

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Speaker 2: coughs and we're laying the foundation right now. The state

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Speaker 1: What other sex tape? It's got to be the Frea coughs.

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Speaker 2: They're coming in to evidence and from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: straight out to Sydney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter on the case from the beginning, Like Harmonia, Sydney,

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Speaker 2: these are not all consenting adults and engaging in an

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Speaker 2: be polyamorous. That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not Nancy. They're alleging that these women or men

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Speaker 5: or all participants who may or may not have been adults.

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Speaker 5: We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits, but

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Speaker 5: SDNY is not specifically arguing that Colme's targeted miners. Anyways.

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Speaker 5: The state, the government is claiming that these victims were

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Speaker 5: of physical violence. Paulms used Wardon to get what he

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Speaker 2: I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,

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Speaker 2: dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when

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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura was getting beaten in the hallway of the

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Speaker 2: Intercontinental and dragged back.

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Speaker 1: It was dragged back to a room.

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Speaker 2: Where she was being coerced into having sex with a

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Speaker 4: All you're doing is making up testimony. I I'm right,

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Speaker 4: That's what I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't

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Speaker 4: number two were coerce or forced or through fraud. This

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Speaker 4: their own mouth. Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I didn't always like the freak offs, but I did them.

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Speaker 4: You had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventor paid me for

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Speaker 4: the freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under

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Speaker 4: a criminal indictment to things that people do. We may

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Speaker 4: I want to be inoved in that. But she viewed

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Speaker 2: Sidney Summer joining us from crime stories, Sydney. Isn't it

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Speaker 2: true that cas Eventior testified that she was being dragged

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Speaker 2: that's the sex worker.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,

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Speaker 5: Forrest and Kaffy about that situation. Morez claimed that there

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Speaker 5: the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But

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Speaker 5: now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cassy Ventura

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Speaker 2: So Morris, do you think Sidney Sumner, she doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a dog in the fight and his skin in the game,

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Speaker 2: you think she's lying?

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Speaker 1: Hold on.

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Speaker 2: Harmonia Rodriguez is with us from Daily Mail, the biggest

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Speaker 2: website in the world for news. Harmonia, isn't it true

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Speaker 2: that Cassie Ventura stated she was dragged back into that room.

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Speaker 2: She did not want to have sex with the other guy?

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Speaker 1: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Not only in that is incident, was not the only

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Speaker 3: particularly someone by the name of de Rock has been

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Speaker 3: These are all claims by Cassie that the prosecution is

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Speaker 2: So, Greg Morre, do you think it's just a big

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Speaker 2: conspiracy between me and Sidney Sumner and Harmonia Rodriguez. In fact,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think the Daily Meal may be behind

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Speaker 2: it too. We're all trying to trick you about Cassie

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Speaker 1: I said she was.

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Speaker 2: Dragged back into that room to have non consensual sex

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Speaker 4: So to gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence,

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Speaker 4: clearly because she said it was consensual many times, and

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Speaker 4: still told Nancy, you know they're going to be told

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Speaker 4: what reasonable doubt is conflicting the evidence?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know that's testimony. You know what Pat is, Mike,

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Speaker 2: I can't take it anymore. That was not her testimony.

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Speaker 2: Let Greg Morris sit in the corner and think about

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Speaker 2: what he has done to doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, when you see.

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Speaker 2: What the man on the streets are saying, what people

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Speaker 1: It's just like Greg Morre's. She didn't say that. That

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Speaker 2: And another thing regarding consensual sex, being drugged out of

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renowned psychoalyst out of the

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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hit at Bethany,

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Speaker 2: that is not consent.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but this idea that Cassie and Mia and

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Speaker 6: but your comments are so sexist they do not reflect

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Speaker 6: P didty is because they were placating him. They were

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Speaker 6: He blackmailed Cassy Ventura's own parents. They mortgaged their house

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Speaker 6: to the tune of twenty thousand dollars to protect their daughter.

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Speaker 6: They sent the twenty thousand dollars and then piece Ditty's

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Speaker 6: people sent it back. This is such such evidence of

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Speaker 6: the fact of coercion of sex slavery. It may it

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Speaker 6: may be on a more dramatic, wealthy level, but this

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Speaker 6: who feel like they cannot get away from their captors.

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Speaker 1: Why are you rolling your eyes, Greg Morris? Because I

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Speaker 1: saw that again.

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Speaker 4: You're You're all you're doing is.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you really really beat off isolating.

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Speaker 4: You're isolating minor parts of testimony. Let's talk about me

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Speaker 4: as testimony. The only thing she was general.

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Speaker 1: Wight about you said.

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Speaker 2: Went back into that hotel room willingly for consensual sex.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you are a lying eyes for feat's sake,

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Speaker 2: Drag back, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: You're simply isolating testimony and chet taking in earth.

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Speaker 1: It's not one it's not one. That's the point. There

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Speaker 4: You're negotiating your severance you were sexually assaulted in sex traffic.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening, But not sex Now.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the myth of the poor guy

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, time after time after time

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Speaker 1: Some of them were harmed.

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Speaker 2: Could you show him the shoved of that gash on

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Speaker 4: You're mediating your severance, if you're media aiding your employment,

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Speaker 2: Why do you come I'm trying, Cassie. How much did

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Speaker 2: In one segment, traffic guy Tom Smith joining me, Thank

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Speaker 2: describe how rape victims are very often recalcitrant to come

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Speaker 7: Well, you just said the word fear, fear, power, control.

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Speaker 5: What's up everybody.

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Speaker 8: I'm just want to come out and tell you, guys,

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Speaker 7: They need to let this name go.

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Speaker 6: They need to let him free. He ain't got nothing

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Speaker 8: What what y'all talk about.

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Speaker 10: Well, one, we got to look at these women down here.

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Speaker 1: They're desperate.

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Speaker 8: It's fascinating to me.

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Speaker 11: We see a pattern of two things. Either one from

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, that's just a tiny taste of what is happening,

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Speaker 2: how the public has been dedified.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this so far. I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 1: It just sounds like a bad relationship to me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, d V Yes, terrible choice and how you treat

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Speaker 2: That's from Taliche on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. I mean, if

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Speaker 6: When these TikTokers watch the trial or whatever's leaking out

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Speaker 6: Everybody picks their horse.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Of course the TikTokers, we are showing we don't know

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Speaker 12: So people, how you feel about being about the deeding

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Speaker 6: I watched porn.

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Speaker 12: He was watching porn just live and he's probably make

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Speaker 4: And y'all all can.

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Speaker 2: Make some money, Okay, Greg Morris, that's at Bama Boy

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Speaker 4: Well, again, that's what you're doing. You're you're, you're, you're

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Speaker 2: I don't mean they've heard any testimony. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear more pre Diddy from them.

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Speaker 10: Cassie charges, bro, this is a load of man.

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Speaker 5: Believe me.

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Speaker 10: Want to tell you can find a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: Right now, that's at the bro Ski talks. Okay, doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, I believe he referred to the States case

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Speaker 1: So bottom line, they've all been didified. I pray to

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Speaker 2: These all look like fairly attractive people, normal people.

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Speaker 1: There was a major outburst in the.

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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, the jury.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there when this woman threw a fit and had

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Speaker 3: We had our first major disruption at the trial this

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Speaker 1: That's not nice.

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Speaker 3: Now, did he turned around and appeared to NodD along

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Speaker 3: not behavior that is usually allowed in overflow rooms and courtrooms.

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. What was

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Speaker 2: the woman screaming in court?

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Speaker 5: Nancy? It was all over the place. One of the

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Speaker 5: things that she said that set out there, these mf

446
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Speaker 5: ers are laughing at you, Diddy. So she was supporting him.

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Speaker 5: She felt like the media was making fun of him

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Speaker 5: and is dragging him down, and maybe even that he's

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Speaker 5: being wrongfully prosecuted in the first place. So Holmes's space

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Speaker 5: completely dropped. He was very, very surprised by this. His

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Speaker 5: job was on the floor as this was happening until

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Speaker 5: she was removed from the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: You know, Greg Morris is veteran trial lawyer at Morse Legal.

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Speaker 2: That is the stuff mistrials are made of. Any outburst

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom, even though she was supporting Sean Comb's right,

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Speaker 2: crazy loud rant had been dragged out of the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: But any disturbance or outbursts like that in the courtroom

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Speaker 2: can result in a mistrial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen cases.

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Speaker 2: Where jurors coming into the courthouse saw somebody holding up

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Speaker 2: a placard so and so's innocent, or so and so

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Speaker 2: did it, and that became grounds for a mistrial, much

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Speaker 2: less an outburst right in.

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Speaker 1: The courtroom with the jury.

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Speaker 2: If the jury had been there, I guarantee you there

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Speaker 2: would have been a motion for a mistrial.

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Speaker 4: There would have been because the defense obviously looks for

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Speaker 4: any opportunity to do that. And you're one hundred percent right,

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Speaker 4: outbursts in the courtroom can really affect the trial. So now,

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Speaker 4: usually when it happens once, the judge should get control

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Speaker 4: of that and if he have to clear the courtroom

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Speaker 4: for the rest of the trial. He has the grounds

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Speaker 4: to do it now. It doesn't need to be open

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Speaker 4: to the public. So he has a reason and he

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Speaker 4: should because you don't want to waste the resources in

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Speaker 4: time of this long in trial only to have to

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Speaker 4: do it again. Those things can absolutely create a mistrial.

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Speaker 1: Well with that, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree with you on that, Greg Morris, because the defense

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Speaker 2: has worked night and day, the state has worked night

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Speaker 2: and day to present the case, and then with one

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Speaker 2: unpredicted outburst, it's all down the shoot and you have

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Speaker 2: to start all over, the jury.

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Speaker 1: Selection, the everything.

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Speaker 2: It's really bad for the state because the defense then

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Speaker 2: has their exact playbook, everything they're going to do with

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Speaker 2: each witness, and it gives them more yeah, more time

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Speaker 2: to prepare cross exams, more time to beef up their

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Speaker 2: response to those witnesses. Yes, at the beginning, the state

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Speaker 2: has to hand over all the witnesses and in some

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Speaker 2: jurisdictions a summary of their testimony.

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Speaker 1: Their address is how to reach them.

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Speaker 2: If it's a scientific evidence expert, you have to give

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Speaker 2: the scientific report, like if it's about drugs, this videographer,

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Speaker 2: this video expert, his CV, his resume, what he's going

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Speaker 2: to say, his education, everything, has to be handed over

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Speaker 2: to start with.

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Speaker 1: If the thing that the state doesn't have to.

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Speaker 2: Hand over is their work product, their tactics of how

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Speaker 2: they're going to use each witness to achieve what so,

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Speaker 2: if there's a.

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Speaker 1: Mistrial, the defense already has their.

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Speaker 2: Whole playbook, everything they plan to do with each witness

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Speaker 2: and did so it's a it's a huge, huge problem

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Speaker 2: for the state.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to rumor.

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Speaker 2: You said that you thought Diddy was gonna be found

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Speaker 2: not guilty.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Did you say, Oh my.

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Speaker 13: God, I'm about to I'm about to have a debate

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Speaker 13: with nasies.

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Speaker 2: On you man, I'm in three inches up your tailpod.

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Speaker 2: Did you say he was gonna get acquitted? Because I

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Speaker 2: think you did.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 13: I also said that I think he will be acquitted

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Speaker 13: faster than what people think, because I think this is

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Speaker 13: a circus act and I think he.

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Speaker 1: Acquitted and faster.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's for my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ,

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Speaker 2: and that's airing on to b us versus Seawan Combs.

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Speaker 2: Now even ray J is piling on. Has he been

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Speaker 2: listening to the evidence? He goes on and I'll play

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Speaker 2: for you in just a moment. Yeah, he's been didified,

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Speaker 2: just so that has a leaked to the jury. This

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Speaker 2: as we learn Seawann Combs has raked in over four

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Speaker 2: million dollars since he was arrested.

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Speaker 1: Send me some aur crime stories, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 5: How Diddy has made all of this money from renting

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Speaker 5: out his golfstream size fifty Love Air. So even while

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Speaker 5: he is sitting behind bars at the NDC, his plane

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Speaker 5: is still making him money from chartered flights. It's made

533
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Speaker 5: about one hundred and twenty six trips since he's been arrested.

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Speaker 2: It is a sixty million dollars private g to high

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Speaker 2: end travelers, and it's a very lucrative side hustle for

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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes. We're learning his defense is costing millions and

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Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars. The jet is equipped with

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Speaker 2: fourteen seats, range of nearly seven thousand miles. It's called

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Speaker 2: did You Say Love Air, and it's rented out by

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Speaker 2: an operator called Silver Air that operates the flights and

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Speaker 2: builds the jet as part of a comprehensive fleet of

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Speaker 2: luxury air craft. It is a black colored plane on

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Speaker 2: celebrity charter broker sites like Jetty and nobody knows. The

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Speaker 2: people that rent it have no clue that it is

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Speaker 2: owned by Sean Comes. This is what I recommend for

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Speaker 2: all of you jet renters. You better get one of

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Speaker 2: these now. Again, when you don't know a horse, look

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Speaker 2: at his track record. Now, I want you to listen

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Speaker 2: to this and ask yourself, is there any way Sean

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Speaker 2: Combs could resist becoming a.

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Speaker 1: Member of the Mile High Club.

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Speaker 12: Listen Friedrich Zimour, the manager of Les Air Mettage Hotel

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Speaker 12: in Beverly Hills, discuss Shawn Combs's history of reservations. Combs

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Speaker 12: opened an account in two thousand and six, but three

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Speaker 12: years later the name was changed to Jackie Starr, then

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Speaker 12: Frank White, then Frank Black, and Ryan Lopez. The notes

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Speaker 12: stayed the same. Number one monitor outside the room to

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Speaker 12: spray air freshener. Number two place the room out of

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Speaker 12: order upon departure for deep cleaning. Always spills candlewax on

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Speaker 12: everything and uses excessive amounts of oil. And number three

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Speaker 12: please authorize an extra one thousand dollars at check in

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Speaker 12: to cover room damages.

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Speaker 1: Air freshener.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Greg Morris, sprating some glade on that sofa is

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Speaker 2: not gonna help a thing. Are you seriously you've r

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Speaker 2: in his jet? You better get one of these morse.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is my dig run Hugh Kills the germs Nancy.

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Speaker 4: He's on trial for sex trafficking, and he has a

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Speaker 4: plane called love Air. You can't make this stuff up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's no way you can fictionally write this.

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Speaker 4: And the poetry of this ridiculousness that the lifestyle take

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Speaker 4: a look.

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Speaker 2: At Cassie Venture's fat lip and call it poetry again.

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Speaker 4: Talking about Diddy's life and his plane and putting love

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Speaker 4: Air on it. Defendants aren't that bright sometimes, and clearly

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Speaker 4: he's not.

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Speaker 1: But uh the uh did?

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Speaker 4: He still not sex trafficking though, I still don't know

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Speaker 4: where you're getting that from. But hey, uh you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see at the end of.

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Speaker 1: This man on topic.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Let me give you some adderall to

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Speaker 2: get you like folks us in to you, Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: This is in his notes at the hotel, Like when

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Speaker 2: he walks in the door, they go get an extra

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Speaker 2: ground monitor outside of room to spray air freshener who

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Speaker 2: place the room out of order upon departure for deep

588
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Speaker 2: cleaning always is in all caps, spills candle wax on everything,

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Speaker 2: and uses excessive, excessive amounts of oil and authorize an

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Speaker 2: extra thousand dollars at check in to cover room damages. Now,

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Speaker 2: we you and I have talked many times about habit evidence,

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Speaker 2: routine evidence. If he's trashing every hotel room where they

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Speaker 2: have to go in and spray laid on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think he's doing to love Air? You

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna go send on one of those cushions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Look, they have to bring in a whole Dixie dumpster

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Speaker 2: to clean out his room, and he is I'm renting

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Speaker 2: this jet out. How much did you say, Sidy? How

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Speaker 2: much is one flight on his jet?

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Speaker 5: At least forty thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Forty thousand dollars to sit on one of those stanky cushions, Faciny, I.

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Speaker 6: Can just tell you my celebrity patients and my Beverly

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Speaker 6: Hills office would be horrified to know that that's what

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Speaker 6: they're sitting on. But on a more serious note, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: this is one more very disturbing example of people accommodating

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Speaker 6: to celebrity PDD. He got everybody to accommodate to him.

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Speaker 6: A thousand dollars is not enough at Hermitage to repair

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Speaker 6: room damage. It's just not that that facility or that

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Speaker 6: hotel is near my office. It is very high end.

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Speaker 6: It has a beautiful cocktail bar on the roof. Cocktails

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Speaker 6: cost fifty dollars more off there. Okay, well not anymore.

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Speaker 6: But they're accommodating to him, just like everybody else does.

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Speaker 6: Hey what instead of deep cleaning, how about just checking

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Speaker 6: for trace evidence of blood? I mean, crimes occurred in

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Speaker 6: that room.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that these.

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Speaker 6: Are in the notes really minimizes the severity of the

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Speaker 6: destruction to women, which is what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Today Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tom Smith joining me

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Speaker 2: NYPD thirty years on the NYPD FBI Joint Terrorism Task

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Speaker 2: Force at the Gooldshield Show dot com. Tom on I

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Speaker 2: learned this in the DA's office, prosecuting so many heinous crimes,

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Speaker 2: crimes that I would wake up in the night with

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Speaker 2: night terrors for over ten years, and it lasted long

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Speaker 2: after that from the cases that I investigated and tried,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you just have to have something to crack

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Speaker 2: a smile.

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Speaker 1: And doctor Bethany's we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Love air and my Ditty want, and.

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Speaker 1: That's not what this case is about.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes when I look at those pictures of Cassie

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Speaker 2: and I hear the testimony and I see her getting

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Speaker 2: beaten in the hallway, it can be overwhelming because this

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Speaker 2: kind of attack on women is happening all across the world,

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Speaker 2: every single day, every single minute, and people are ditified.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to believe it.

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Speaker 13: Tom.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know what, You're never going to convince

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Speaker 7: a percentage of the people out there listening to this case,

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Speaker 7: no matter what is said, no matter what's presented, no

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Speaker 7: matter what anyone reports on, there's going to be a

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Speaker 7: percentage of people that think this is all just driven

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Speaker 7: to get Ditty and for what, you know, what would

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Speaker 7: be the motive of just getting Sean Combs. There's victims

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Speaker 7: here that have to be explained and have to be

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Speaker 7: come to the forefront and defended. And this is what

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Speaker 7: this case is doing. You know, there's so many more

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Speaker 7: victims out there probably that they couldn't convince to come

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Speaker 7: in and testify or give a statement about. And all

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Speaker 7: of those people are all part of this as well.

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Speaker 7: This has to the accountability has to be seen by

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Speaker 7: Sean Combs wherever it happened.

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Speaker 2: I just I just feel like I say you at

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Speaker 2: the sentencing, my friend, Wow, hey, ray J welcome right.

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Speaker 13: I love this and I love you Nancy, but I

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Speaker 13: have to disagree because I think that this is the

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Speaker 13: most wildest case of like sexual conversation, right, dirty fire

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Speaker 13: pipes and like the punisher and like you know, everything

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Speaker 13: else that goes with this.

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Speaker 2: It's all.

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Speaker 13: It's a very dirty situation, and I feel like it's

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Speaker 13: becoming a circus act for stuff that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: For what did he's being charged for.

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Speaker 2: Joining me Brett Brown, executive director Surviving Assault, Standing Strong,

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Speaker 2: dedicated to ending sex attacks and sex trafficking on women.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that was from our friend Harvey Levin,

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Speaker 2: my longtime friend over at TMZ, and that airs on

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Speaker 2: to b. It's usv. Seawan Combs is the name of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, Brett. I think people don't understand the dynamic

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Speaker 2: of rape and.

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Speaker 1: Abuse, and they shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad they don't because that means that violent crime

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Speaker 2: has not touched their lives. I think that they're living

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Speaker 2: with blinders on. I mean, I had no idea about

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Speaker 2: a world of violent crime until my fiance was murdered

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Speaker 2: and I became a felony prosecutor. So it's really almost

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Speaker 2: insurmountable to explain what it really is.

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Speaker 1: But this is not a circus. This is real. This

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Speaker 1: is what happened to these women.

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Speaker 8: What the prosecution is going to have to do throughout

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Speaker 8: this trial is showing the ups and downs. The nature

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Speaker 8: of abusive relationships is that they start where and feel respected,

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Speaker 8: loved and seen like they're on a pedestal, right, and

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Speaker 8: everyone wants that in their lives. But the difference between

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Speaker 8: healthy and unhealthy is that in these abusive relationships, they

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Speaker 8: go from feeling like they're on a pedestal to like

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Speaker 8: they're under a spotlight. And if they don't perform, then

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Speaker 8: there are consequences, and those consequences continue to grow. And

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Speaker 8: we have to make that really evident that it is

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Speaker 8: a situation that starts with love and devotion and ends

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Speaker 8: with fear of violence and being trapped, you know.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Smith, following up on what Brett Brown just said,

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Speaker 2: I tell the story earlier. It's actually a myth about

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Speaker 2: Sisyphus pushing the huge boulder up the heel of Haydes

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Speaker 2: day after day after day, and they're seeing it roll

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Speaker 2: back down. Tom, do you ever get tired or exhausted

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Speaker 2: of trying, of just screaming the same thing over and

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Speaker 2: over about what women are endearing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it happens a lot because of attitudes like that

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Speaker 7: of putting victims on trial. And we had to deal

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Speaker 7: with it a lot in any other crime, not just rap.

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Speaker 7: You know a lot of crimes, robberies and so forth.

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Speaker 7: But on a detective level, you took an oath, and

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Speaker 7: you take a deep breath, and you go at it

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Speaker 7: as hard as you can for the victims. Yes, you

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Speaker 7: want to get the bad guys, you want to get

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Speaker 7: those responsible to pay the price, But inevitably, at the end,

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Speaker 7: you were doing this for the victims out there. And

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Speaker 7: that's what counts, and that's what on the minds of

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Speaker 7: detectives and investigators and US attorneys who are bringing this

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Speaker 7: case forward. It's about the victims of this case.

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Speaker 2: We stop and remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Anthony Tate,

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Speaker 2: Grandee County Sheriffs shot in the line of duty. Lee's

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Speaker 2: behind wife Crystal and five children. American hero Anthony

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Speaker 1: Tate Nancy Grace signing off good wife, friend