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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: We are rolling reacting to the big night in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: I am Clay Travis.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: We have got so much to discuss with all of you.

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Speaker 2: Reminder that my buddy Buck Sexton, he's got a great

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Speaker 2: picture up from the Scottish Highlands. He is in Scotland

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Speaker 2: with his lovely wife Carrie this week.

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Speaker 1: He will be back with me on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I am sure both rested, probably nicely air rated thanks

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Speaker 2: to wearing a kilt for a week, and filled with

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Speaker 2: an abundance of things that we will dive into.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, we have got a loaded show

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Speaker 2: for you, reacting to last night's big event, the first

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Speaker 2: Republican primary debate in Milwaukee. We are going to be

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Speaker 2: joined just so you know, because there could be some

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Speaker 2: fireworks from both of these interviews. Vivek Ramaswami is going

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Speaker 2: to join us at one, and then at two, Chris

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Speaker 2: Christie is going to join us, both fresh off of

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Speaker 2: their debate appearances. We may have other candidates joining us

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Speaker 2: before the week is out. But both of those guys

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Speaker 2: going to come on and discuss everything that took place

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Speaker 2: on the stage last night. We'll open up the phone

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Speaker 2: lines eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two.

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Speaker 2: But I've got a ton of reaction that i want

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Speaker 2: to share with you. I love watching debates. I sat

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Speaker 2: down in my hotel room in New York City. I

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Speaker 2: pulled out my yellow legal pad. It was just me,

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Speaker 2: a grilled cheese sandwich and two plus hours of the debate.

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Speaker 1: That was what I did last night.

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Speaker 2: That was my wild night, just off Times Square in

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Speaker 2: New York City, grilled cheese sandwich, a glass of water,

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Speaker 2: and a yellow legal pad and a debate over the

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Speaker 2: future of the country. And so my big picture takeaways

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Speaker 2: were these. I thought it was a really good night

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Speaker 2: for the Republican Party. There was virtually nothing that occurred

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Speaker 2: on the stage from Candidate one all the way to

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Speaker 2: candidate eight. And I will rank them and tell you

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Speaker 2: how I believed each of these candidates did. But if

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Speaker 2: you compare the last time we had a big debate,

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Speaker 2: which was the Democrat debates that Joe Biden ended up

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Speaker 2: triumphing in to be the nominee. The Democrats are crazy.

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Speaker 2: They came out.

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Speaker 1: If you remember the twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Debates, they all agreed that transgender taxpayer funded abortions should

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Speaker 2: be the law of the land. And I remember when

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Speaker 2: that conversation happened. Everyone agreed with it. I remember even

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out what that meant. So I was

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Speaker 2: trying to do as like a math equation when you're

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Speaker 2: not really that familiar with geometry or algebra two and

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Speaker 2: you're trying to figure out, now, what does the exponent

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Speaker 2: do where, how did the parent? How the parentheticals work?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: Transgender taxpayer funded abortions. I was like, I don't even

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Speaker 2: know what that means. And I had to go back

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Speaker 2: and reconsider. I'm like, oh, that is dudes, Oh sorry,

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Speaker 2: chicks that are pretending to be dudes that actually are

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can't, like, everybody agrees that this

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Speaker 2: is something that should be going on. We should be

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Speaker 2: paying for abortions for chicks pretending to be dudes who

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Speaker 2: not ovaries. I don't understand it, all right, so that

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Speaker 2: in and of itself was a mess, and I thought

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Speaker 2: it all was a mess. But I think a primary

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Speaker 2: takeaway for all of you to keep in mind is

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Speaker 2: the single most ridiculed candidate from the twenty twenty Democrat

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Speaker 2: debates was Joe Biden, and he ended up the nominee.

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Speaker 2: So I know some of you were active on social

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Speaker 2: media Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, talk maybe wherever you may be.

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Speaker 2: Take everything with a grain of salt. I'm being honest

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Speaker 2: with you here. I have not read one word of

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Speaker 2: debate coverage because I love to watch the event myself.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching on video, these are my notes. This

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Speaker 2: is my trustee yellow legal pad. All I need is

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Speaker 1: This is it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not being artificially conditioned in some way by

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Speaker 2: the postgame chatter. I didn't watch Fox News. I didn't

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Speaker 2: watch Sean. No offense to Sean Hannity. I'm sure he

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Speaker 2: did a fabulous job. I went and did. Some of

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Speaker 2: you may have watched it an immediate video recap. Because

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Speaker 2: exactly to what I saw, and we're going to allow

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Speaker 2: you exactly what I saw. So one really good night

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Speaker 2: for the Republican Party. I thought there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of very impressive performances, but I would break the candidates

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Speaker 2: down in three different tiers. To me, it is indisputably

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Speaker 2: true that the three best candidate performances last night in

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Speaker 2: no particular order, because I think you can agree or

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Speaker 2: disagree about the order.

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Speaker 1: But I think the top tier, the best.

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Speaker 2: Three gold, silver, bronze as it were for the debate,

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Speaker 2: or viveg Gramaswami, Ron DeSantis and Nicki Haley. I thought

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Speaker 2: those were, without doubt the three best performances on the stage.

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Speaker 2: I thought the next tier, and I'll break down each

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Speaker 2: of these contenders over this hour and explain what I

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Speaker 2: thought they did well why I thought that was the breakdown.

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Speaker 1: The next tier.

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Speaker 2: I thought Mike Pence, Chris Christy, and Tim Scott all

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Speaker 1: Where you said, hey, you know what.

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Speaker 2: That was a strong inter play in inert exchange for them. Pence, Christy, Scott,

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Speaker 2: mid tier Asa Hutchinson and Doug Bergham had no business

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Speaker 2: being on the stage at all. And I don't mean

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Speaker 2: don't know what we gained by their inclusion at all.

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Speaker 2: Doug Burgham, I think is probably a good guy. We

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Speaker 2: should invite invite him on the show if we haven't

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Speaker 2: had him already. I certainly can see why I would

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Speaker 2: want to invest in North Dakota's governor. When it comes

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Speaker 2: to business. I think he's really really good at it

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Speaker 2: based on my understanding and reading of his past. That

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Speaker 2: impresses me about him, and those of you listening in

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Speaker 2: North Dakota seemed to be very happy with what he's

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Speaker 2: done as a governor. Here's what doesn't work for me,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna work my way up from bottom to

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Speaker 2: top here. As we moved through the show, here's what

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Speaker 2: doesn't work for me. I don't care that you like

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Speaker 2: to ride horses. I don't care that you live in

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Speaker 2: a small town. I don't care that you believe that

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Speaker 2: farmers should help other farmers. That's not something that really

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Speaker 2: appeals to me. As Oh, that guy has to be president.

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Speaker 2: That's a compelling story that might work in North Dakota

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Speaker 1: And it's beautiful. I don't disagree.

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Speaker 2: I like really pretty vistas too, but it doesn't to

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Speaker 2: me present a compelling narrative on why you should be

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Speaker 1: So I don't know why Doug Berghen was there.

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Speaker 2: He had the one moment where he pulled out the

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Speaker 2: Constitution Save some chicks for the rest of us. Doug,

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Speaker 2: you didn't even need the prop. You can argue for

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Speaker 2: federalism and why the Tenth Amendment matters without needing to

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Speaker 2: pull out a prop. It felt desperate, felt desperate to

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Speaker 2: when it's a prop that we all know exist, a

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Speaker 2: prop like that, like Trump pulling out a evidence of

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Speaker 1: You remember when he was on CNN for the town hall.

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Speaker 1: That was genius. That was unexpected.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you have a copy of something that

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Speaker 2: has existed for hundreds of years and somehow like, here's

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Speaker 2: my Constitution copy, Well, we know what it says.

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Speaker 1: Make your argument. I thought it was a week Asa Hutchinson.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know who the forty thousand people

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Speaker 2: maybe you're listening to me right now and you're one

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Speaker 2: of those forty thousand, I think you might as well

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Speaker 2: have lit your money on fire and used it to

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Speaker 2: warm up and maybe roast marshmallows. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: no idea what he actually stands for. I question whether

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Speaker 1: And if you did, I think.

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Speaker 2: You would have spent your money more more favorably, using

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Speaker 2: it to put over a skewer and roasting marshmallows to

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Speaker 1: I think you use your money poorly. Pence.

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Speaker 2: Here's my issue with Pence, and I just told Alli, hey,

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence is a man of principle. He reminds me

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Speaker 2: try to do for their church. However, most deacons I

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Speaker 2: when I look at Mike Pence, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: And this is the issue that I had with Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence when he came on the show. Stick to your principles.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike Pence believes Donald Trump should be in jail.

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Speaker 2: I really do. If you believe that, just tell us.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike Pence is trying to claim that he's principled,

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Speaker 2: the way. I fundamentally disagree with Mike Pence on the

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Speaker 2: fact that he won't commit to giving Donald Trump a

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Speaker 2: pardon one hundred percent disagree. You've heard me talk about

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Speaker 2: this on the show. You heard me fight with Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence on the show and argue about it. I believe

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Speaker 2: that Mike Pence is not being true to his principles,

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Speaker 2: and as a result, I don't buy that he's a

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Speaker 2: principled candidate, and I think it's the logical fallacy that

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Speaker 1: I thought he had good.

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Speaker 2: Moments, but I think ultimately, when he won't commit to

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Speaker 2: I think he falls apart Chris Christy. Look, I respect

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Speaker 2: that fact that Chris Christy is willing to go into

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Speaker 2: to I respect the principles he's arguing for. Here's the challenge.

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Speaker 2: He can't win and I think you saw that last night,

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Speaker 2: and so I'll ask Chris Christy this in the third hour.

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Speaker 2: If you can't win, And I think deep down he

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Speaker 2: knows that he's not going to be the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 1: Why are you in the race?

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Speaker 2: And if Trump's not going to be on the stage

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Speaker 2: and you're not going to go after Trump because Trump's

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Speaker 2: not going to show up for any of the debates.

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Speaker 2: To me, Chris Christy's in a position where he should

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Speaker 1: And then Tim Scott.

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott to me was the most disappointing candidate on

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Speaker 1: I told you Pence, Christy Scott.

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Speaker 2: Middle of the road performance is Asa Hutchinson, Doug Bergham,

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Speaker 1: Listen to this. We can't leave it to Illinois. We

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Speaker 1: We must solve that issue with a fifteen week limit

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Speaker 2: All right, Democrat position on abortion's radical? That is the truth.

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Speaker 1: That is their established policy.

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Speaker 1: Do it today. Sleeve, Travis and buck Sexton on the

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, reacting to

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Speaker 2: what happened last night here in the Republican Debate. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: your calls, giving you a roadmap again. Vivek Ramaswami gonna

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Speaker 2: the stage last night. I thought Theveke had a great night.

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Speaker 2: I told you that Viveke would have a great night.

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Speaker 2: Many of you probably had not heard him speak before,

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Speaker 2: I expected that DeSantis would be the most attacked candidate.

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Speaker 1: I think we have that audio. I've had enough.

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Speaker 1: Was Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: Give me a hot Okay. Then Viveke comes back there.

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Speaker 2: That's when the fireworks really kind of got underway. I

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Speaker 2: I think Viveke is going to be the most polarizing

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to him in twenty minutes, clearly the

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Speaker 1: If you are.

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Speaker 1: But the Veke is three.

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to win the race or are you

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Speaker 2: Some grand strategic design behind all three of those individuals

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Speaker 2: attacking Viveke. I think they just legitimately disagreed not only

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Speaker 2: with his arguments.

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Speaker 1: But also with his tone. And we'll ask Chris Christy about.

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Speaker 2: This in the next In the said third hour the show,

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Speaker 2: we'll also ask Viveke about this.

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Speaker 1: Did he expect to be the most attacked person on

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Speaker 1: the stage. I bet he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he did, but regardless, I thought the Theyke had

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Speaker 2: a good night. I think there are lots of you

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Speaker 2: out there listening to me right now that had not

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Speaker 2: seen Viveke speak this much, and certainly hadn't seen him

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Speaker 2: in the context of being alongside the other Republican presidential contenders,

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Speaker 2: and you liked him and I suspect, if you have

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Speaker 2: an opinion on him at all, it was that he

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Speaker 2: seemed somewhat like Donald Trump in the twenty fifteen debate, unapologetic,

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Speaker 2: arguing in favor of the positions he supported, not particularly

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Speaker 2: concerned with what anyone else said in response to him.

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Speaker 2: I think that probably plays well in general with the

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Speaker 2: Republican electorate. Okay, what about DeSantis? What did we think

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Speaker 2: about DeSantis, who was clearly in that second spot but

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Speaker 2: hasn't really been able to advance towards Trump. If I

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Speaker 2: were advising DeSantis right now, if your goal is to win,

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Speaker 2: I would tell DeSantis, now is the time to make

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Speaker 2: the argument Trump can't win, because that's the only argument

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Speaker 2: I think that DeSantis really has. If Trump's not going

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Speaker 2: to be on the stage for the debates, I would

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Speaker 2: say to DeSantis, go ahead and pick your vice presidential candidate.

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Speaker 2: I mean this, Go get Brian Kemp or Glenn Youngkin,

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Speaker 2: sign them up as your VP, and start to make

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Speaker 2: the argument to the Republican electorate.

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Speaker 1: I will win. Trump will lose.

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Speaker 2: Because that's the argument at the essence of DeSantis's campaign,

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Speaker 2: and then he can point to the job that he

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Speaker 2: he is going to run an incredibly successful presidency, that

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Speaker 2: he will do for the nation what he has done

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Speaker 2: for Florida.

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Speaker 1: That's the argument.

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Speaker 2: I don't think DeSantis is that great at making arguments,

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Speaker 2: because ultimately, every political candidate is one of two things.

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Speaker 2: You are either a story candidate and Tim Scott is

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Speaker 2: a story candidate. I pulled myself up from my bootstraps.

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Speaker 2: My family journey is the story of America's redemption on

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Speaker 2: issues of race. I specifically, with my success refute the

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Speaker 2: idea that America is a fundamentally racist country and that

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Speaker 2: you can't get ahead in this country based on race.

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Speaker 1: That is that is Tim Scott's story.

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Speaker 2: I think where Tim Scott ruggles, he's the opposite of DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott struggles when he tries to connect that with policy.

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Speaker 2: He's a story candidate, not a policy candidate. DeSantis is

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Speaker 2: a policy candidate. Look at what I did with DEI

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Speaker 2: in Florida. Look at how I responded to COVID and

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Speaker 2: kept schools open. DeSantis is a nerd. He goes and

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Speaker 2: he reads all the data and he puts policy in place.

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Speaker 2: But policy candidates typically are not great storytellers, and I

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Speaker 2: think what you are seeing with DeSantis is he struggles

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Speaker 2: explaining how his policies tie into stories that people understand.

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Speaker 2: He has trouble with that connection. Tim Scott, everybody loves him.

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Speaker 2: Most people respond to story. That's why Tim Scott's the

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Speaker 2: most liked on the stage. That's what likability is. Good

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Speaker 2: storytellers are likable people. Oftentimes, policy guys are who makes

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Speaker 2: something work. And right now, the challenge for DeSantis is

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Speaker 2: the opposite of the challenge for Tim Scott.

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott's got.

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Speaker 2: To explain why his story translates into policy, and DeSantis

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Speaker 2: has got to explain why his policy translates to story.

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Speaker 2: Most candidates are not great at both. You typically are

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Speaker 2: a story candidate or a policy candidate.

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Speaker 1: The unicorn is whether you like him or not.

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama eight is a story and a policy candidate.

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton nineteen ninety two, story and a policy candidate.

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty four story and

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Speaker 2: far is I'm not sure there's a unicorn political candidate

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Speaker 2: on the stage right now for Republicans, and that's good

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Speaker 2: for Trump. And we're going to talk about Trump, who

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Speaker 1: Sketch popcorn. I think you're gonna enjoy it. I like

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have a really interesting discussion coming

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Speaker 2: out of that debate, and I think we're gonna touch

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Speaker 2: on a lot of different issues Trump big question. I

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Speaker 2: thought Fox did a really good job for those of

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Speaker 2: you watching last night. By the way, the audience looks

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Speaker 2: like it's gonna be huge for this debate, way more

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Speaker 2: than anybody was anticipating. So for people out there who said, oh,

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Speaker 2: nobody's gonna watch Trump and Tucker are going to steal

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Speaker 2: away the audience. I like Trump, you guys know that.

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Speaker 2: I really like Tucker too. I don't begrudge them for

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Speaker 2: making the choice to do that interview. Let me tell

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Speaker 2: you something that I think is important. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people on social media are running around saying, oh, one

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Speaker 2: hundred million people watched the Trump interview. Views, Like, the

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Speaker 2: way that you count video views online is not the

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Speaker 2: same as the way that you count television. Way more people,

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Speaker 2: not even in the close proximity. Watch the debate last night,

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Speaker 2: then watch Trump sit down for an interview with Tucker.

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Speaker 1: So don't get distracted.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who want to get in

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Speaker 2: the nitty gritty of how television ratings get calculated, this

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Speaker 2: is important because there's a big difference. And I say

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Speaker 2: this as a guy who works on the Internet, so

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Speaker 2: I understand internet video. I understand how it works. Tucker

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Speaker 2: and Trump is going to have a monster audience, and

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Speaker 2: you've listened to this show. I think Tucker is going

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Speaker 2: to build a media company that is going to be

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Speaker 2: wildly successful. So this is not taking a shot at them, Okay,

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Speaker 2: but I do think it's important to contextualize audience. The

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Speaker 2: way that television ratings work is you have to watch

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Speaker 2: for six full.

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Speaker 1: Minutes in order to be counted.

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Speaker 2: So if you turn on your television and you watch

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Speaker 2: for one minute, and then you turn it off. You

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Speaker 2: never count in any in any audience. And the way

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Speaker 2: that they work for television is they average the average

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Speaker 2: number of people who watch for six minutes during the

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Speaker 2: course of an entire broadcast. So when you hear somebody say,

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Speaker 2: for instance, two million people watched Sean Hannity's television show

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Speaker 2: last night. Way more than that watch, by the way,

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Speaker 2: But when you hear somebody say two million people watched,

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Speaker 2: that means an average of two million people watched every

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Speaker 2: six minutes throughout the whole show.

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Speaker 1: It might actually be that.

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Speaker 2: Ten million total people watched, right, because it's a six

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Speaker 2: minute average for an hour long show. When you see

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Speaker 2: the totals on the Trump Tucker video or any online

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Speaker 2: video for that matter, it's the total number of people

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Speaker 2: who watched basically five seconds. And every time you hit

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Speaker 2: refresh on your Twitter feed and see that video scroll past,

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Speaker 2: you count as a view. So I might have counted

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Speaker 2: last night twenty five times in the Trump Tucker video,

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Speaker 2: I would only count once in theory for watching the

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Speaker 2: debate last night.

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Speaker 1: So otherwise, for people out there, what the.

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Speaker 2: Trump Tucker numbers would reflect is twice as many people

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Speaker 2: right now watch Trump Tucker as watched the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that one of every three people in

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Speaker 2: America has watched the Trump Tucker video? Only one in

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Speaker 2: every twenty people is even on Twitter on a day

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Speaker 2: to day basis, like this is not real?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's important for you to understand the

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Speaker 2: way that numbers work and when you're comparing the two.

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Speaker 2: Having said all that, I didn't see anything last night.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Trump, where everybody coalesced and said, yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is the best guy or the best girl on the stage.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take your calls, I said Vivek Ramaswami, Ron DeSantis,

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Speaker 2: and Nikki Hayley to me were the clearly best three

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Speaker 2: on the stage last night. But there isn't some overwhelming

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Speaker 2: consensus that one guy or girl did the best job

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Speaker 2: on the stage. And I think that's significant to Trump

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Speaker 2: because until he actually has in some way a head

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Speaker 2: to head foe or someone who elevates himself for herself

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Speaker 2: so far above everybody else, the apple cart of Trump's

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Speaker 2: nomination is not getting upset. And so if I'm in

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Speaker 2: the Trump camp, and I watched last night, and half

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Speaker 2: of you are in the Trump camp, and I bet

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Speaker 2: a lot of you watched. I didn't see that first

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Speaker 2: debate create a clear, bonafide challenger to Trump who elevated

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Speaker 2: himself for herself above the rest of.

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Speaker 1: The cadre on the stage.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Trump, that's great because I want as many

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Speaker 2: people as possible continuing to be on that Republican stage

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Speaker 2: so that nobody is going toe to toe with me

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Speaker 2: to potentially make the argument head to head that.

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Speaker 1: I'm the wrong choice.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, you can argue that the most Trumpion

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Speaker 2: of all of the candidates out there actually had the

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Speaker 2: best night. You can You can argue that Vivek Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: who is going to be with us in the next

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Speaker 2: opening of the next hour in a little bit over

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Speaker 2: six or seven minutes from now, you can argue that

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Speaker 2: vivike Ramaswami, the Trumpiest of all the Trump candidates on

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Speaker 2: the stage last night, the most maga of the entire audience,

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Speaker 2: that he actually had the best night, which would be

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Speaker 2: the best possible result for Donald Trump. Because I don't

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Speaker 2: think that people are going to pick the Veke over Trump.

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong, and in fact, I will ask

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Speaker 2: Viveke Ramaswami as he has elevated himself now why should

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Speaker 2: people pick him over Trump?

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Speaker 1: That's next