1
00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,440
Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner

2
00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760
Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for

3
00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360
Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com.

4
00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280
Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Bah? My goodness,

5
00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200
Speaker 1: it's part DeAndre Oppen. He put it for a duckdown.

6
00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160
Speaker 1: You've got to be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground,

7
00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,800
Speaker 1: presented by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com.

8
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,960
Speaker 1: Problem solved, buck down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

9
00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,120
Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

10
00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,160
Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

11
00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

12
00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like

13
00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080
Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

14
00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,880
Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvic. You guys that will walk

15
00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,600
Speaker 1: into an establishment with someone who refuses to have their

16
00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,280
Speaker 1: back to the door, have you ever gone to lunch

17
00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,800
Speaker 1: or maybe grabbed a coffee with that guy? Maybe former

18
00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,240
Speaker 1: law enforcements, mobsters, Whether it's a brother in law of mine,

19
00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,800
Speaker 1: whether certain other buddies of mine I grew up with

20
00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,800
Speaker 1: who are now in law enforcement. There's so many guys

21
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,120
Speaker 1: that I've gone out to lunch or coffee with them. No, no, no, no, no,

22
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,679
Speaker 1: let me sit there. I want full view of the

23
00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,360
Speaker 1: front door of this establishment. Well that's me right now.

24
00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,800
Speaker 1: So give me your seat over there, Felipe, because I

25
00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,000
Speaker 1: need to have full view because if the turk comes

26
00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,560
Speaker 1: through there. I mean talk about keeping your head on

27
00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,600
Speaker 1: a swivel. Tis the season for the final cuts to

28
00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,440
Speaker 1: come down, and they are hot off the presses, and

29
00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,240
Speaker 1: you never know who's next at this point, Paul Calvci here,

30
00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,559
Speaker 1: at least for now, Darren Urban there, Felipe, a Corral

31
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,720
Speaker 1: junior over on the other side of this table with

32
00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the best view of the doorway. Why is my back

33
00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 1: to the doorframe? I should I should have planned this

34
00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,560
Speaker 1: out a little bit better. Fully trying to get you.

35
00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,760
Speaker 1: We're trying to get you whacked, Paul. And as a

36
00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,280
Speaker 1: rookie of this of this group, I asked producer Jim

37
00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,840
Speaker 1: if where I should sit, and he I have nothing

38
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,040
Speaker 1: to do with that decision. Well, Holmes is in on

39
00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,280
Speaker 1: it too, he knows, he knows before you know. So

40
00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't try to say he's kind. Jim is the

41
00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,919
Speaker 1: godfather of the radio scale. I don't. I don't trust

42
00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,399
Speaker 1: anything over there. They say, we're only on a need

43
00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,799
Speaker 1: to know basis. Around here, our Cardinals Underground, brought to

44
00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,800
Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arison,

45
00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,440
Speaker 1: our Cardinals. All right, so there you go around the horn,

46
00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,280
Speaker 1: we go big takeaways from the news. We were sitting

47
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,079
Speaker 1: around with our game faces on. Everyone's getting a little tense,

48
00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,720
Speaker 1: a little anxious. There we were well past the one

49
00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,440
Speaker 1: o'clock deadline, who exactly is going to make the team.

50
00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: And then of course there was the big headline regarding

51
00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280
Speaker 1: a guy who going into camp we had pretty much

52
00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,680
Speaker 1: not even penciled in as a starter. I mean, we

53
00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,360
Speaker 1: were using permanent ink, were we not. Darren Rman, go ahead,

54
00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,799
Speaker 1: reveal the big reveal regarding cornerback. Well, I mean, at

55
00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,880
Speaker 1: this point, Malcolm Butler is apparently contemplating retirement and the

56
00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,119
Speaker 1: Cardinals put him on the reserve retired list, And yeah,

57
00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,800
Speaker 1: that kind of came out of left field in a

58
00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,280
Speaker 1: lot of ways, because you're right, I mean, when you

59
00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,520
Speaker 1: talk about him being a starter, I mean I think

60
00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,280
Speaker 1: we had gotten to the point where we were assuming

61
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,240
Speaker 1: they're going to have three cornerbacks on the field most

62
00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,959
Speaker 1: of the time, which is what most teams do. That

63
00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,320
Speaker 1: would be Murphy, Alford and Malcolm Butler. And I did

64
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,320
Speaker 1: notice that it seemed like there were times in camp

65
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,639
Speaker 1: when Robert Alford wasn't on the COVID list, that when

66
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,200
Speaker 1: it was just two guys on the field, it was

67
00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,200
Speaker 1: Alfred and Murphy. Okay, not that big of a deal,

68
00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't think, but I something not having Malcolm Butler

69
00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,040
Speaker 1: now at least is one while we're taping this, and

70
00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,320
Speaker 1: as of this point, he hasn't been a practice, so

71
00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,680
Speaker 1: I assume he's not going to be a practice all

72
00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,000
Speaker 1: week this week. I mean, does he come back next week? Ironically,

73
00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,880
Speaker 1: when they practice they're getting ready for his former team,

74
00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,360
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. Does he come back? Or is this

75
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,080
Speaker 1: a real thing? Is he really going to walk away

76
00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 1: from three plus million dollars? This is just kind of

77
00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 1: stunning to me. I'm not sure exactly what it is,

78
00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,480
Speaker 1: but I mean, this is kind of where we sit,

79
00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 1: and I hope when Cliff Kingsbury says that rookie Marco

80
00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,680
Speaker 1: Wilson is more than capable of starting and playing a

81
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,159
Speaker 1: lot that that's truly the field. I mean when I

82
00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,440
Speaker 1: think of Marco Wilson, I kind of think of myself,

83
00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, someone departed from a specific role and then

84
00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,920
Speaker 1: that's a big jump there. You slide in and try

85
00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,800
Speaker 1: to make the most out of the opportunity. But Kingsbury said,

86
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,039
Speaker 1: you know, if there's someone on that in that group

87
00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,320
Speaker 1: that's ready for this moment and isn't going to shy

88
00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,080
Speaker 1: away from it, it's Marco Wilson. You know. Hey, Look,

89
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,960
Speaker 1: you guys can agree or disagree, and I know you

90
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000
Speaker 1: will when I watched and I was there for every

91
00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,120
Speaker 1: single practice in camp like you guys were as well.

92
00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,679
Speaker 1: If you ask me who was the best corner in camp?

93
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,920
Speaker 1: Forget the names in the back of the jerseys. There

94
00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,400
Speaker 1: are no names and backs of jerseys in camp. So

95
00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 1: just who was the best corner in camp? Byron Murphy

96
00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,000
Speaker 1: Junior would be my answer. Would you guys concur with that?

97
00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,720
Speaker 1: I would agree with now degree the second best corner

98
00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,800
Speaker 1: in camp in camp, not in his career, na, no resume,

99
00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,839
Speaker 1: no preconceived notions. The second best corner in Cardinals camp

100
00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:18,400
Speaker 1: three plus weeks. Marco Wilson. Nice, that's just me. Look,

101
00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,880
Speaker 1: and of course you know my qualifications as a four

102
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,960
Speaker 1: year dB at Leland High School and a guy who

103
00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,400
Speaker 1: stood next to premiere cornerbacks for a good twenty plus

104
00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,520
Speaker 1: years on the cardinal sideline. I do feel qualified to

105
00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,160
Speaker 1: make that. I do feel qualified to make that statement.

106
00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I did talk to a lot of people, said,

107
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,200
Speaker 1: you know what, you know who had the most consistent

108
00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,400
Speaker 1: camp at cornerback, Marco Wilson. And what did Christian Kirk

109
00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,320
Speaker 1: tell us in the Big Red Rage not less than

110
00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000
Speaker 1: a week ago that when it came to Marco Wilson,

111
00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,960
Speaker 1: he didn't get roasted once, he didn't get burnt once. Normally,

112
00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,680
Speaker 1: if you're a rookie, especially you lose, you can lose

113
00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,400
Speaker 1: badly at times. And every single rep for Marco Wilson

114
00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,000
Speaker 1: turned out to be a contested catch. Now, do you

115
00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,440
Speaker 1: prevent every catch, Absolutely not. But he was right there

116
00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,560
Speaker 1: in the hip pocket of every receiver seemingly every single snap.

117
00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,040
Speaker 1: And you think about the receivers that he's going up against.

118
00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,279
Speaker 1: And King's very mentioned an espressor today that he never

119
00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,279
Speaker 1: shied away from the competition of the DeAndre Hopkins at

120
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 1: aj Green's a Christian Kurks. He lined up against every

121
00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,720
Speaker 1: single receiver and coming from the college that he comes

122
00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,080
Speaker 1: back comes from, you know, facing some of the top

123
00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,880
Speaker 1: receivers at LSU, the bam Is, etc. Etc. So you

124
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,839
Speaker 1: know he has experiences. He's finally in rhythm I field,

125
00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,000
Speaker 1: coming off that knee injury that he had two years ago.

126
00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that's why he kind of dropped in

127
00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,159
Speaker 1: the draft, right, because he was coming off that knee injury.

128
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,080
Speaker 1: Teams didn't necessarily know, you know, the type of performance

129
00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,240
Speaker 1: he would put on the field. But I think he's

130
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,840
Speaker 1: two years removed from that. I think he's prepared for

131
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960
Speaker 1: this opportunity and like myself, he's gonna make the most

132
00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,200
Speaker 1: out of it. You know. It's funny. And by the way,

133
00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,520
Speaker 1: the dropping the draft was also had something to do

134
00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 1: with the old Austin Powers who throws a shoe? That's true, right,

135
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,240
Speaker 1: where's Mike McCarthy from the mojo moment. I'm happy to

136
00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,720
Speaker 1: know that I understood that reference, Paul, but I better

137
00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,880
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys room because Mike McCarthy's little motivational mojo

138
00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360
Speaker 1: went over like a lead balloon to start Cowboys camp

139
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,640
Speaker 1: on hard knocks. My guess though, is that you know,

140
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 1: if one of your top guys is throwing a shoe,

141
00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,200
Speaker 1: no one's gonna really care. I mean, that's that's the thing. Hey, man,

142
00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,440
Speaker 1: if you're checking a J. Brown and Julio Jones, you

143
00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,360
Speaker 1: can throw the whole shoe department in norths We care

144
00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,560
Speaker 1: as long as you lock him down. It's funny when

145
00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,040
Speaker 1: the news came out, and especially the idea that Marco

146
00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,480
Speaker 1: Wilson might be the guy that's trying to take these

147
00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,640
Speaker 1: reps from from Butler if he's not around, and you know,

148
00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,200
Speaker 1: people want to bring up Brandon Williams and this is

149
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,440
Speaker 1: a whole different deal. I mean, Brandon Williams was a

150
00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,080
Speaker 1: third round pick, yes, but it was a stretch. He

151
00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: was a converted money he was a converted running back.

152
00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 1: Would play what one year of corner I think, Um,

153
00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,160
Speaker 1: this is a whole different deal. Marco Wilson is a

154
00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 1: natural cornerback. It's he's a better player. M I s

155
00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,280
Speaker 1: from a cornerback family, yeah, I mean, his older brother

156
00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,239
Speaker 1: is a dB. His father coaches cornerbacks for a living.

157
00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and that doesn't automatically mean you're going to

158
00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,760
Speaker 1: be successful in the NFL. But this is not a

159
00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,520
Speaker 1: Brandon Williams situation. It's just not. I mean, you got

160
00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,240
Speaker 1: a guy who walked in at eighteen years of age

161
00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,440
Speaker 1: and was a starter as a true freshman at Florida,

162
00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,600
Speaker 1: started all four years. So look, I'm not crowning him.

163
00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm not proclaiming him. I'm just telling you what we

164
00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,480
Speaker 1: saw in camp. Now, whether our boxers should start bunging

165
00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,320
Speaker 1: in Week one when you got a rookie out there

166
00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 1: against a Julio Jones and in AJ Brown. Okay, but

167
00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,079
Speaker 1: guess what. Julio Jones got virtually no reps in camp.

168
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,760
Speaker 1: A J. Brown has been banged up in Titans camp.

169
00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill didn't play a single snap in the preseason. Yea,

170
00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks on the COVID list, they head coaches on

171
00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,160
Speaker 1: the COVID list, So there's gonna be a lot of

172
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,720
Speaker 1: stuff flying around in all directions week one. It see

173
00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,280
Speaker 1: to me when we talk about Butler and we talk

174
00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,839
Speaker 1: about Marco Wilson, I think you can have a conversation.

175
00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, now we're assuming Robert Alford comes back

176
00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,079
Speaker 1: in condition after missing two weeks. But Cliff Kingsbury seems

177
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,400
Speaker 1: to think that's going to happen. But you know, again,

178
00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,920
Speaker 1: I think we're in a position now where it's not

179
00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 1: so much can Marco Wilson play because we've talked about

180
00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,520
Speaker 1: what he's done in training camp and I think I

181
00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,240
Speaker 1: think he can give you some stuff and if you

182
00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,840
Speaker 1: have a top three of Murphy and Alford and Wilson,

183
00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,680
Speaker 1: you can make that work. The problem right now is, Okay,

184
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,280
Speaker 1: what happens if somebody gets hurt? You know, are you

185
00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,079
Speaker 1: are you going with Luke Barku. I think Tay Gowan

186
00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,520
Speaker 1: is a guy to me after watching him in camping games, Um,

187
00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,080
Speaker 1: he feels like a guy that that could end up

188
00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 1: being this year's Eno Benjamin where you don't want to

189
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,160
Speaker 1: cut him because somebody's gonna grab him. But I don't

190
00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,880
Speaker 1: know if he's ready to play, and maybe you have

191
00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,680
Speaker 1: him inactive much of the time so he can learn

192
00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,719
Speaker 1: how to play this game. And that that's why I'm

193
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,760
Speaker 1: concerned right now is of the of the depth at

194
00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 1: that position without Malcolm Butler. Do you guys think that

195
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,160
Speaker 1: you know what roster's being cut down, that a veteran

196
00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,160
Speaker 1: cornerback is going to be made available in the next

197
00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,839
Speaker 1: coming days. I mean, I guess Marcus Truf, Marcus Juvon

198
00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,280
Speaker 1: who's missed almost all a camp because he's been away

199
00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,600
Speaker 1: from a team. You know, here's the thing, I'm not

200
00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,160
Speaker 1: ruling anything out. Are you going to find somebody better than,

201
00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,360
Speaker 1: for instance, Darryl Worley, who this team just cut. Maybe

202
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,000
Speaker 1: maybe not. You know who's still out there, Drake Kirkpatrick.

203
00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if Drey's coming back. Um.

204
00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,560
Speaker 1: You know again, if you think Marco Wilson's the guy,

205
00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,120
Speaker 1: you want somebody who can step in and see I

206
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,960
Speaker 1: think Drake er Patrick is a guy you bring in

207
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840
Speaker 1: if you need somebody to play right away, and if

208
00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,360
Speaker 1: they're not going to play him right away, you need

209
00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,320
Speaker 1: a guy that would potentially be you know, potentially be

210
00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,760
Speaker 1: on special teams. And if you really think, oh, Luke

211
00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,679
Speaker 1: Bark who can play a little bit, then maybe you

212
00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,959
Speaker 1: just you're you're getting him ready to be that guy,

213
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,480
Speaker 1: because at first you're not going to need him because

214
00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,720
Speaker 1: with the way they're set up, you're gonna have you

215
00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 1: have those top three corners, you have Buddha Baker and

216
00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, and you're gonna use I think Isaiah Simmons

217
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,800
Speaker 1: back there a little bit here and there, So I

218
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think you need somebody if people are healthy. Always.

219
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,760
Speaker 1: I always think back to Byron Murphy though, because I

220
00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,120
Speaker 1: remember his rookie season he kind of got thrown into

221
00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,520
Speaker 1: the fire and then look at him now. I think

222
00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,439
Speaker 1: these reps would be valuable to someone like Marco Wilson

223
00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880
Speaker 1: once he looked down down the road and you see

224
00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,760
Speaker 1: his growth throughout throughout the season, similar to Byron Murphy.

225
00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,679
Speaker 1: Here's the rub is that Byron Murphy ideally is a

226
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,080
Speaker 1: slot corner that you would have a Marco Wilson and

227
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,679
Speaker 1: a Malcolm Butler on the outside. That Byron Murphy at

228
00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,600
Speaker 1: his best is on the inside. So now if all

229
00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's forced to play outside, that's where

230
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,520
Speaker 1: the trickle down of losing a Malcolm Butler seemingly would

231
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 1: hit this Cardinals defense, at least as originally scripted and envisioned,

232
00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,240
Speaker 1: I guess. But long before Malcolm Butler ended up on

233
00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,120
Speaker 1: the reserve retired list, Byron Murphy has been playing outside

234
00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,960
Speaker 1: a lot. Yes, when when there's only two cornerbacks on

235
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,520
Speaker 1: the field, he's out there, so they can't feel that

236
00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with him on the outside. So the question becomes,

237
00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,800
Speaker 1: all right, when the running three corners out there, which

238
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,760
Speaker 1: in the past has been quite a bit, now, whether

239
00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,040
Speaker 1: you're going to do that against Tennessee and if they're

240
00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: going to go power personnel with Derrick Henry, maybe maybe

241
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are spared in week one and maybe even

242
00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,840
Speaker 1: week two based on the fact that you have a

243
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,520
Speaker 1: pair of teams with premier running backs, big time straight

244
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,960
Speaker 1: ahead run games, and two letting big time legit receivers,

245
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,040
Speaker 1: both the Titans and the Vikings. So maybe you're not

246
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,880
Speaker 1: going three corners as much because to your point, if

247
00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,199
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is a guy now all of a sudden,

248
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,480
Speaker 1: they're going to push off into the slot at times.

249
00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,040
Speaker 1: And look are a number of safeties who lost their

250
00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,800
Speaker 1: jobs and you can't tell me speaking of trickle down effects,

251
00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,400
Speaker 1: that wasn't due to Isaiah Simmons' ability to play in

252
00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,520
Speaker 1: the slot. And some of this is special team stuff

253
00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,600
Speaker 1: and where guys can fit in. I mean, people are

254
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,680
Speaker 1: going to talk about Keishaw Johnson. Part of the Keishawn

255
00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,840
Speaker 1: Johnson thing was he wasn't going to give you anything

256
00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,760
Speaker 1: besides being receiver. He just wasn't He wasn't fitting in

257
00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't Trent Sherfield as a special team nurse, so

258
00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,960
Speaker 1: it didn't make a lot of sense where Andy Isabella

259
00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,800
Speaker 1: can potentially do some of those things. As much as

260
00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,600
Speaker 1: fans are frustrated to hear that, when you talk about

261
00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna just say, when you talk about the

262
00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 1: cornerback stuff, I mean, I think Bayern Murphy's still your slot.

263
00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,960
Speaker 1: If your top three guys are healthy, you're two outside

264
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,480
Speaker 1: guys are offered to Marco Wilson. Okay, that's what I

265
00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,040
Speaker 1: think is going to happen. Yeah, and you know it's

266
00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,079
Speaker 1: after that. It's to your point. I mean, yeah, that's true.

267
00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,520
Speaker 1: I have a roster here from the twenty third. I

268
00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,080
Speaker 1: have a flip card here from the twenty fourth of August.

269
00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Luke Barku's not in either one of these. I had

270
00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,480
Speaker 1: to go to my Saints flip card, which I don't

271
00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,280
Speaker 1: know why I even still have, consider we were in

272
00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,280
Speaker 1: mid air and we turned around heading back to Phoenix.

273
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's a that's got to be

274
00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,200
Speaker 1: some kind of collectible, isn't it. Maybe I can frame it.

275
00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,920
Speaker 1: I'll get Luke Barku to sign this thing, and then

276
00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,920
Speaker 1: I'll frame it. Up there. We're gonna talk about our

277
00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,920
Speaker 1: experiences in the air. We're gonna make this a folk tales.

278
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,520
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, there was one guy in

279
00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,960
Speaker 1: the plane who knew before anyone officially knew that the

280
00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,920
Speaker 1: plane had turned around? Do you realize who that was?

281
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,600
Speaker 1: I heard you guys talking about Wallallas. I gotta be honest.

282
00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,080
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. I only knew because almost pointed

283
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,920
Speaker 1: it out to me on the I Felipe. If I

284
00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,800
Speaker 1: say vulture thirteen, do you know who that is? Of

285
00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,199
Speaker 1: course not. That's wald ellis longtime radio engineers. It's longtime

286
00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:14,040
Speaker 1: radio engineer, former Vietnam helicopter pilot, and recipient of a

287
00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,320
Speaker 1: purple heart. So is that why he was able to

288
00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,280
Speaker 1: tell when the plane made a sudden move based somehow

289
00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,360
Speaker 1: on the elevation and the altitude, based on whether it

290
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,080
Speaker 1: was even or odd numbers, you can tell if the

291
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,240
Speaker 1: plane is going west or eastways some crazy formala. And

292
00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,880
Speaker 1: so he walked back and he said, yeah, I was

293
00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,640
Speaker 1: wondering how long it take you guys to figure it out?

294
00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,160
Speaker 1: Because if you would have looked at the altitude, you

295
00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,800
Speaker 1: would have known we were going in the opposite direction. Well,

296
00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,960
Speaker 1: I'd always bosting all that, so anyway, it was it

297
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 1: was quite the moment where Walt knew long about soon

298
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,280
Speaker 1: after the pilots knew, and I don't think anybody else knew.

299
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,920
Speaker 1: And so there we were, were somewhere between Waco and Houston,

300
00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,560
Speaker 1: if I had it right on the map, somewhere so

301
00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,880
Speaker 1: somewhere two hours out or so, two hours away from Phoenix,

302
00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,880
Speaker 1: an hour about or so, why we're normless way for sure,

303
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600
Speaker 1: and uh, and they had already moved the kickoff earlier,

304
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,920
Speaker 1: so it'd have been a more early morning for most

305
00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,640
Speaker 1: of us getting up and going over to the game.

306
00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,680
Speaker 1: And then news broke, and it obviously made a lot

307
00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,240
Speaker 1: of sense when you're evacuating the city all of a sudden,

308
00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,680
Speaker 1: not only does a preseason game become more meaningless than ever,

309
00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,440
Speaker 1: but those folks who are having to work the preseason

310
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920
Speaker 1: game in the New Orleans metro area had a lot

311
00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,880
Speaker 1: far bigger concerns to deal with, like as in, how

312
00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,320
Speaker 1: do we evacuate our own families? And the players were

313
00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,480
Speaker 1: in that boat as well. Yeah, It's just it was

314
00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 1: just so strange, and because we don't have internet on

315
00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,640
Speaker 1: that particular plane, you know, I was joking with people that,

316
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, my family, which is true. After I talk

317
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,320
Speaker 1: my family knew that I was coming back before I did,

318
00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,560
Speaker 1: because you know that once the game is canceled, they

319
00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,200
Speaker 1: realize I'm probably going to come back. And we didn't

320
00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,560
Speaker 1: know the game was canceled, you know. So you had

321
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,040
Speaker 1: your birthday celebrations that that weekend. That's basically what happened. Yeah,

322
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,240
Speaker 1: so it became a forty eight hour bender recording Larry

323
00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald's birthday and Darren Urban's birthdays. Slight yourself, Darren, come

324
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,560
Speaker 1: on now, say do you guys? You come on? You guys.

325
00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,840
Speaker 1: Traded a text message, just like Christian Kirk traded a

326
00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040
Speaker 1: text message with teared it at him. I noticed he

327
00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,680
Speaker 1: did not get back to me. I wasn't going to

328
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,360
Speaker 1: bother him with a text one. He's done with his

329
00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,760
Speaker 1: thirty six holes, so we'll get around to getting back

330
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 1: to you on that. So, so, by the way, Philippe Adia,

331
00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,400
Speaker 1: consider the fact that the Cardinals only had two preseason

332
00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,200
Speaker 1: games compared to the fact that Titans had three preseason

333
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,200
Speaker 1: games and they had a week long joint practice with

334
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,560
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the defending Super Bowl champions factor

335
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760
Speaker 1: or not a factor real or not real as you

336
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,840
Speaker 1: try and decide whether that's is that's an advantage or

337
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440
Speaker 1: not Week one at Tennessee. UM, I would say no,

338
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,680
Speaker 1: just because obviously Ryan tannehillst on the COVID list, so

339
00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 1: he hasn't been practicing. AJ Green has been banged up,

340
00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,800
Speaker 1: Julio Jones hasn't seen the field out throughout preseason, and

341
00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 1: so that's not an advantage. I think the cardinal team

342
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,400
Speaker 1: is between the two, they have the advantage, you know,

343
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,040
Speaker 1: because for the most part, they've all been intact, you know,

344
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,840
Speaker 1: from on both sides of the ball. Obviously, JJ Watt

345
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,560
Speaker 1: returned later on in training camps. So I did feel

346
00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,080
Speaker 1: for guys like Greg Dortsch and the you know, Benjamin's

347
00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,639
Speaker 1: obviously made the roster and the Jonathan Awards and all that,

348
00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 1: because I feel like that preseason game that last the

349
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,600
Speaker 1: preseason finale against the Saints, what's gonna be pretty pivotal

350
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,879
Speaker 1: for guys like that, and so I always, always, my

351
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,919
Speaker 1: mind always goes back to those type of players. But

352
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,000
Speaker 1: in terms of whoever's gonna have an advantage, I mean,

353
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,199
Speaker 1: both teams have a four day weekend mandatory weekend. You know,

354
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,840
Speaker 1: they all have a clean slate, so those guys are

355
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 1: gonna be able to return from the COVID list, guys

356
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to get healthy again. So there's

357
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,919
Speaker 1: no advantage that I don't want to hear that, you know,

358
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,200
Speaker 1: come week one, I don't want to hear people be like, oh, well,

359
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,199
Speaker 1: the Titans gonna have so and so and so forth, like, no,

360
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,680
Speaker 1: it's a clean slate. It's it's week one. The NFL

361
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,359
Speaker 1: season is here, so I'm pretty hype. And look, it

362
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,479
Speaker 1: was gonna be third and four stringers playing at New

363
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,000
Speaker 1: Orleans anyway, and Cliff Kingsbury confirmed it would have been

364
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 1: Chris struvel or four quarters of Chris Streveler, with Colton

365
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,359
Speaker 1: McCoy dressed just in case in an emergency capacity. And

366
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480
Speaker 1: by the way, one of my big takeaways, even though

367
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,199
Speaker 1: Cliff kings very hinted heavily, is that they stayed with

368
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,320
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Yeah, Chris Streveler barely saw the field a

369
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 1: year ago, obviously, and then when he got in in

370
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,440
Speaker 1: week seventeen, it didn't go so well. And yet he's

371
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,520
Speaker 1: still on the roster. As much as we love Streb

372
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,200
Speaker 1: and mandatory Streveler. It is surprising to me that they

373
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,680
Speaker 1: kept a coveted roster spot for that number three quarterback.

374
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 1: Here's why it does not surprise me as much is

375
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 1: because of COVID And I know you could probably get

376
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,480
Speaker 1: him onto the practice squad and then he'd be around

377
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,359
Speaker 1: and you could bring him up. But I think the

378
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,920
Speaker 1: reality is with how quick everything can happen and how

379
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 1: you could lose a guy immediately. I mean, if you

380
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 1: wake up on a Sunday, which you at that point

381
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 1: you can't pull a guy up from the practice squad

382
00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray god forbid, or Colton McCoy has tested

383
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: positive and can't play, you're gonna really hope you have

384
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: that extra quarterback on the roster. And considering the quarterbacks

385
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 1: hang out in the same room and spend lots of

386
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 1: hours together, all of a sudden you could be the

387
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos reprised right where the Denver Broncos were without

388
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks and they're forced to use a

389
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 1: former college quarterback who was like a four string receiver

390
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 1: in a game last year, and maybe the game used

391
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,960
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds as an emergency quarterback, as we saw in

392
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 1: the latest episode of Flight Plan. You never know anything

393
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 1: can happen. By the way, with no game on Saturday, JAT,

394
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 1: I was catching up on episodes of Cardinals Flight Plan,

395
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 1: the last two in particular. And the sister in law

396
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 1: who knows not up her sports, and I'll tweet about

397
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 1: some of her comments occasionally. And she was over and

398
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 1: she asked a series of questions, including the following I

399
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 1: want you guys to answer the following question from the sister.

400
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: And that's fine. You know she doesn't know a football

401
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 1: from a foosball. Doesn't matter. Okay, that's great, no worries.

402
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,439
Speaker 1: But here was her question. I really didn't know how

403
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 1: to answer this. Hey, Paul, what's the most dangerous position

404
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 1: in football? The most dangerous position in football? Most dangerous?

405
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean nose tackle. See, I

406
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I wouldn't say most dangerous. See. I don't

407
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: see that as dangerous. I mean, I think you could

408
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: get hurt when you're in the trenches more often because

409
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: of where your knees are and everything. But when you

410
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 1: talk about dangerous, like when I think of dangerous, I

411
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: think of like severe injury, severe injury, and I would

412
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: think I am thinking wide receiver a lot of time,

413
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: because you can get your head torn off at any moment,

414
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: you know. And that's I went that initially, and then

415
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 1: I said, kick returner, how about kick returner? No, not anymore, No,

416
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: not anymore, not anymore. Maybe there's no kick returns. What's

417
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: it take to take a knee? Is that what you're saying?

418
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Touchbacks are not dangerous? Can do this all day, That's right.

419
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 1: They'll give you life insurance all day, every day if

420
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have a touchback and just take a

421
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: knee in the end zone. I would say the kicker, though,

422
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: because you know when they kick it off and you

423
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,719
Speaker 1: try to go tackle the kicker turner and blindsighted year

424
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: old moost Matt Prater the pencil neck. He's a serious

425
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: risk trying to make an open field tackle. I love you, Matt.

426
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: The most dangerous the most dangerous position in football is

427
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: is only viewed through the prism of whoever that guy's parents.

428
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: Is if if you if your mom and you and

429
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: your son's playing kicker, it's kicker. If your mom and

430
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: your son's playing tight end, it's tight end. Long snapper

431
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer, No, and not long snapper By the way,

432
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: I love Aaron Brewer. I consider him a friend. He's

433
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: a really good dude. But when he's when he's in

434
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: training camp and long snappers and he comes around, he's

435
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: got that mustache he wears, and he comes in early

436
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: in the morning, and sometimes he got the sunglasses on,

437
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: and the hair is a little bit out of place,

438
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 1: and where's those Hawaiian shirt? So I'm like, dude, you

439
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: you like you walk straight out of a TV series

440
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 1: of the the the PI that has passed his prime

441
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: and went out drinking too late last night and now

442
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to figure out what to do the

443
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: next morning. I swear to God every time I need

444
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: to tell him that, because every time I see him,

445
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, you totally like right out of a TV series.

446
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned that because my brothers and

447
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: I we always, you know, kid around and we ask

448
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: each other if you were a player in the NFL,

449
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: what position would you play? And I think your story

450
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: just validated my answer. I would be a long snapp

451
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: rick because one I get paid, well, I don't get

452
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: that injured. I'm not in risk of getting injured. So

453
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: thank you, Darren for shure if if if he got

454
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: some flow going out the back of his helmet, he'd

455
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: be a dead ringer for Big Lebowski. Is that what

456
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: you're saying? Sort of the you know, the seggression could

457
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: but he's not. I don't. I don't see him as

458
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: being that super laid back, although Aaron is pretty laid back.

459
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: I just see him as like that guy. Like, Okay,

460
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, the woman just came into my office yesterday.

461
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 1: I gotta get pictures of her husband at the motel

462
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: with her his side piece. I don't know. You give

463
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: him a white Russian. It could be the dude. We'll

464
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: have to see about that. So you have the I'm saying,

465
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: So Ryan Winslow didn't make it all right? The specialists

466
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: were never in danger, No, they were not. There was

467
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: round and I know there was a lot of chatter,

468
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: even talking internally with some of the personnel people, Hey,

469
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: we might go with five receivers, we might just do it.

470
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: Believe that. I never believe that. For there was a

471
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: hot moment though, when after Keishawn Johnson was released and

472
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: you're wondering five or is that extra receiver slot for

473
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: a guy named Larry Fitzgerald there was a lot of

474
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: that chatter out there. We won't dignify that. We'll move

475
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: on today. As good as Greg Dorche looked in this camp,

476
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: and I think we're all in agreement, right, are we

477
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: all nodding? Of course? Yeah? Uh? They needed the size,

478
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: did they not? Felipe? I mean, you know, fine, diminutive

479
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: American Greg Dorche over there. I mean, I love him,

480
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: you know, but when you have a six foot three,

481
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: six foot four option in Antoine Wesley, I'm guessing that

482
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: was the difference, the size difference. Are we going to

483
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: forget that? I called this last week? You guys, didn't

484
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: he when he made it? I did start to think

485
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: to myself, I was pretty hard on Wesley not making

486
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: the team in Philippe were but well, le hey, this

487
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: is gonna post and and we're gonna have it on record,

488
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: and we'll, you know, we'll see what happens when they

489
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: bring back Pew and Alford. Who the person is that

490
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: isn't And I'm not saying it's going to be Wesley,

491
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: because I do think he's done a lot of really

492
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: good things and that he deserves it. But he is

493
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I'm thinking Okay, when you

494
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: start talking about who's that extra person or two. If

495
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: you pick up somebody on waivers, it might be Antoine

496
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: could be the third tight end, Demetrius Harris. Are you

497
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: saying he could be in the crosshairs? Could it be

498
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: that last corner, the rookie Tay Gawen. Are you saying,

499
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: I see, I don't think it's gonna be gown because again,

500
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: whenever he gets cut, I'm afraid he was somebody, which

501
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: is what which is why they never did anything like

502
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: that with Benjamin last year. I'm thinking, you know, maybe

503
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: Michael Dogbee, who's probably the seventh defensive lineman, although with

504
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips just trying to get back into it, I

505
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Um, you know, I'm trying to

506
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: think of some of the other people. Wesley might be somebody.

507
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: I have to look at the lineman, but I think

508
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: didn they end up only going with with eight eight

509
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: lines only eight eight and Sean Harlow did not make it, okay,

510
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: so then it's not going to be a lineman obviously.

511
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's we're probably we're probably honing in pretty

512
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: hard on who the possibilities are, whether it would be

513
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: Harris or Dogbe or Wesley. I don't. I don't think

514
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: it would be Bark who uh not with your situation

515
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: now at cornerback and where they got four safeties. Now

516
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: they do have four safeties, yep. And but one of

517
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: them is Washington, who's a special teams guy. So I

518
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: think we've probably nailed down like who these possibilities or

519
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: maybe Jonathan Ward maybe if you want to. One of

520
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the questions that you know, I was thinking about, is

521
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: you know, Antoine Wesley only played one preseason game. He

522
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: was hurt for about a week during camp. He obviously

523
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't play in that preseason finale. What did he show that,

524
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of how much he played or missing

525
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: a week in camp, what did he show for Kings

526
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: ready to say, you know what, we're gonna keep you

527
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: on for now. I mean one of the things that

528
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: one of the things Wesley did was when aj Green

529
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: went down early in camp, he was one of the

530
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: first people to step in and he got a lot

531
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: of snaps and I thought he looked pretty good doing that.

532
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: He had the near catch in the one preseason game,

533
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: couldn't quite hold on to it, but the play itself

534
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: was pretty nice, and again I think goes back to

535
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: what Paul said, Well, there's two things. One, he gives

536
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: you size, and this is that's something that this team needs.

537
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: And if something happens to Hopkins and or Green, you

538
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: don't want to have a bunch of smaller receivers. And

539
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: once you decide Keyshaw's not your guy, then obviously Wesley

540
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: moves ahead of him. The other thing, which I don't

541
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: think you can push aside too hard. This is a

542
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: guy Cliff Kingsbury knows well. He played at Texas Tech.

543
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: They're close. I remember talking to Antoine Wesley at the Combine,

544
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: not knowing he was eventually going to come to the Cardinals.

545
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: But I was doing a big piece on Cliff Kingsbury

546
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and nobody was talking to Antoine Wesley

547
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: when he came in through the interview, so I was

548
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: able to get off some questions. And he talked about

549
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: when he got hurt in college, and I'm trying to

550
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: remember what it was. I can't remember if it was

551
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: a leg injury or abdomen injury. There was something where

552
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: he ended up in the hospital and he was talking

553
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: about how much it meant to him when Cliff Kingsbury

554
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: showed up at the hospital while he was going through

555
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: this and saying, you know, don't worry about anything. You're

556
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. And when you come back, your spots

557
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: there and all this stuff, and you know, he is

558
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: a big Cliff Kingsbury fan, as he told me at

559
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: the time. And I just feel like that also plays

560
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: into it. Here's a guy who Cliff knows and is

561
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: confident in and when he starts making plays that that's

562
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: one way you end up on a team. And it

563
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: helps that well, if you guys didn't know, he was

564
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: staying with Kyler Murray at the beginning of camp, like

565
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, So if you have your quarterbacks,

566
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: you know confidence well and it's leisure coach. I think

567
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: that that says a lot about the talent. That it's

568
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: funny that you say that too, because a lot of

569
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: people thought one of the things that Keishan had going

570
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: from was that he was close with Kyler, which he was.

571
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: They were part of that same draft class. But you know,

572
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: if Kyler has gotten a relationship with Wesley, that can't hurt.

573
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: By the way I look at Wesley and I see

574
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: that as evidence that practice does matter. That when Cliff

575
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Kingsbury says that Kyler Murray is ready to go, that's

576
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: based on what he has seeing in practice, not the

577
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: nine snats, not the trio of three and outs and

578
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: the negative one total yards. It's what he's seen at

579
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: practice and in practice. Antoine Wesley made a lot of

580
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: plays and he was a dog. I mean, he's supposedly

581
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: a really good guy off the field. You guys know

582
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: him probably a lot better than I do off the field.

583
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: But on the field he competed. I mean he was

584
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: trading a lot of trash talk with Robert Alfred, he

585
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: was hand fighting guys, he was making catches in the

586
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: red zone. The size was a factor, and when you

587
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of smaller guys out there, there's no

588
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: doubt that moved the meter with all the coaches. And

589
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a big difference with this Cardinals offense

590
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: this year when they get into the red zone and

591
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: they have the addition of a Rondale more smaller guy,

592
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: but you have a six foot four a j Green

593
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: who has looked superb in camp. You have a James

594
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Conner two thirty plus. It's just a different Cardinals offense

595
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: in the red zone. And then if you're able, if

596
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna go ten personnel in the red zone, Antoine Wesley,

597
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I BET's going to be out there in Cliff Kingsbury's

598
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: one of those rare coaches who will who will spread

599
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: it out in the red zone in the NFL. And

600
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: I remember Cliff Kingsbury's first year with the Cardinals, he

601
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: was running a lot of ten perconnel in the first

602
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of the season and he didn't necessarily

603
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: have the roster to execute that at a high level,

604
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: so he went away from that. Last year he ran

605
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot of twelve personnel. But I think this year,

606
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: more than any of any of his other seasons, he

607
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: finally has a talent to run a ten personnel because

608
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: you have Round, the more you have Christian Kirk, obviously,

609
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: AJ Green and Dehab So when when when it comes

610
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: to the red zone, man, this offense has the potential

611
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: to be one of the top five offenses offenses in

612
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: the red zone with But here's here's my question. And

613
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: because I know long before you joined us, Felipe, you know,

614
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: back when Paul and Kyle would throw down, um, you know,

615
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: I think Paul was leaning more, especially once they signed

616
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: James Connor, that maybe they'd get a little bit more

617
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: physical with their offense and that kind of stuff and

618
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: maybe get away from ten personnel. Kyle was very much like,

619
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: I think they're going to move back towards ten personnel

620
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: because they have the people. I lean a little bit

621
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: more towards that. The question is is when you get

622
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: into that red zone, when you get inside the ten

623
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: yard line, are you running still a bunch of shotgun

624
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: with four wide receivers. That's there's there's a lot of

625
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: people out there that get really leery about that because

626
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: it is harder to convert in that smaller area, and

627
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, guys are coming in and you know, I

628
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: am to know how that unfolds. And we don't really

629
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: know exactly how it's going to be used this year

630
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: because we didn't see much in the preseason. And I'm

631
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: not saying I'm in favor of it. I'm just saying

632
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: that the head coach might be apt to use it,

633
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: and if he does, he is definitely better equipped than

634
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. To your point, Phelipe a win Week two

635
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: of Baltimore. Three times they got inside the five and

636
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: they're denied every time they will settle for fuel goals

637
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of that spreads stuff at the time

638
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: just wasn't effective, especially against a hard hitting, physical Baltimore

639
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Ravens defense that was man handling receivers off the line,

640
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: and not just the Ravens, I mean last year against

641
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Do you guys remember when Kenyan Drake failed

642
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: to score on the at the one year half. Yeah,

643
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: exactly so. And I always when they drafted Rondo Moore,

644
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the question always popped up in my head, Well, they

645
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: use a lot of prestap motion, would they you know,

646
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: presnap motion combined with some play action with the read option,

647
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Now that they have someone like rondel More, sure, absolutely, yeah. No.

648
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I as the most staggering stat from a year ago

649
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: is the Cardinals were dead last in the NFL in

650
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: pre snap motion. It's astounding, isn't it When you think

651
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: of Cliff Kingsbury and his sort of offense, but with

652
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella not being or a liable component of that offense,

653
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: it took away a lot of the pre snap motion.

654
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: I would presume Kyle Shanahan and Niners were number one

655
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: in that category. That's not a surprise. But the Cardinals

656
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: being dead last, that's a shocker to me, and I

657
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: do not expect that to happen again this year, not

658
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: at all. As I, for whatever reason just turned off

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: my mike as I reached because I reached for my

660
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: phone and somehow turned off my mic. So there that's

661
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: the last. See, that's the last. It's the August, right,

662
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: that's the last August mistake that's gonna be permitted around here.

663
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: It's like, once again, it's the perch. It's the perch.

664
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: So I can just throw that out. That's all those

665
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: things and can just be discounted because the preseason, once

666
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: we get September is officially done with. As I segue

667
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: to the all in question and try and save my

668
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: own keyster which is blown in the wind. Right, the

669
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: player you are most excited to see in a game

670
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: that counts that was not here in twenty twenty Darren Rman.

671
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: A player who was not here last year, whether it's

672
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: a rookie of veteran, a newcomer you are most excited

673
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: and eager to see in a game is I'm gonna

674
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: go with a low hanging fruit. I'm sorry, but JJ Watt,

675
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: you know now now that he's back healthy. M'm I'm

676
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: dying to know, not only to see him play, but

677
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: how they deploy him. I think there's is a team

678
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: that I want to see more push in the pocket.

679
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: But I do think that JJ is gonna get some

680
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: snaps from coming from the outside, and I think they're

681
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: gonna move him around a little bit, just like he

682
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: always has in his career. And I'm I'm really exciting there.

683
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: There's a there's a long list there, but I know

684
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: you two have to take your turns, and I guess

685
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to let you do that. So I'm

686
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna go JJ Watt and let everybody else for you. Guys,

687
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: there you go, There you go. You're up, Felipe, What

688
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: do you think? I kind of such sne it already,

689
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go with Rondell More because, like I said,

690
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury finally has the roster and the talent in

691
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: that wide receiver group to run some ten perconnel. But

692
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: when you have Aj Green talking about how more catches

693
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: passes like he's a six four wide receiver on the outside,

694
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: you know that gives me confidence. I mean, he led

695
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: perduing in receptions per game last year. So and to

696
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: your point, last year, when the Cardinals ran some pre

697
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: snap motions combined with play action, which was only fifteen

698
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: fifty nine attempts, they had a fifty four percent success rate.

699
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: So that goes to tell you that now that he

700
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: has the pieces on the offensive offensive side, Cliff Kingsbury,

701
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: you might see a lot of a lot more ten

702
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: perconnel now that you have guys like aj Green, Rondo Moore.

703
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully Andy Isabella is a little bit more acclimated to

704
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: that offense. So Rondo Moore is my pick. See, the

705
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: consultants would say, never agree, always go a different direction, trying,

706
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, keep the same going. But honestly, in the

707
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: trust try I would go with Condale Moore as well.

708
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: And here's why. Here's why, because the players are talking

709
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: about Rondale Moore. I was talking with a veteran and

710
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: this is the person you want to see the most.

711
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: And it's because the players are talking about I'm not

712
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: saying who you want to see because I am the

713
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: most intrigued by Rondale Moore. Based on the buzz among players,

714
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: because we all know the hashtag. Players know players and

715
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: they're talking about Rondale Moore. One guy said, hey, that

716
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: kid's only scratching the surface. A week later, I'm talking

717
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: to a veteran player and he walked by Rondale Moore

718
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: and he literally stopped what he was saying, and once

719
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore walked past it, that kid's gonna be good.

720
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: And so he has the other players. Now, if you

721
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: in terms of sheer impact and who's going to be

722
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the most vital to the Arizona Cardinals in Week one,

723
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any denying Zaven Collins is that guy.

724
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: But again, the question is who do you want to see,

725
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: not who the most impactful is want to see? Paul,

726
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put this on your plate, and you're

727
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: like going on this other tangent just sheer seeing someone.

728
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: But if you want to see the importance, it depends

729
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: how you define No, no, no, it depends on how

730
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Paul Calvc defines it, because it's who Paul wants to see. Right,

731
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: So you're it's okay if you say Rondel Moore, but

732
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: don't have all these you know, I'll just say this

733
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: is who I want to see. Rondell Moore is my guy.

734
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: All right, but that's just from a sheer highlight. They

735
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: can the offense can get by without him. The defense

736
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: can't get by without Zaven Colline. It doesn't matter Zaven.

737
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: College doesn't count because you already picked. And Paul going

738
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to your point that when you that you stand on

739
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the sideline, so that goes to your credentials. Sure, so

740
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: when you stand next to Rondell Moore, do you guys

741
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: see eye to eye or you know, it's pretty close.

742
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather stand next to Greg Dortch. That's more of

743
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: a that's that set's more. I'd be really certain about

744
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: Greg Dortche. Rondel Moore might be a little close. As

745
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: for the guy you're most excited to see in a game,

746
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let Darren cool down a little bit

747
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: here for the base So I'm going to you first. Uh,

748
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: the guy you're most excited to see in a game

749
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: that counts that was here last year, Chris. That guy

750
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk for me, I mean he was the second

751
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: most targeted player last year, led the team in receiving

752
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: touchdowns with six. Yes, he led the team and receiving

753
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: touchdowns with six. DeAndre Hopkins only at five he had

754
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the second most red zone targets. You know, he's in

755
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: a contract here, he has a chip in his shoulder,

756
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: in his shoulder on his shoulder, I should say, And

757
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: he's a hometown guy. You know, he talked about it

758
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: today in his press conference that you know, there's some

759
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: territory that comes with being the hometown guy. And he's again,

760
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: he's in his contract gear. You know, he's improved every

761
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: single season. Hopefully he stays healthy because if he stays

762
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: healthy and you have guys like AJ Green, Ronda Moore,

763
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins in that same receiver group, then that

764
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: just opens up so much more opportunity for someone like

765
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk. So hopefully he capitalizes on the fact that

766
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: maybe Fitzgerald doesn't come back, so that means, you know,

767
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: more opportunity for him and having the flect that versatility

768
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: in that wide receiver group. So Christian Kirk is my guy.

769
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: All Right, your next Paul, I mean, I'm you need

770
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: a little more time in the cooling offer. I'm just

771
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: saying I want you to. But again, okay, so you

772
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: want Paul Calbisi, who is Paul Calbies want to see

773
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones Okay, I'm going Chandler Jones. He looks great,

774
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: the weight is down. He's obviously got to be motivated.

775
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Sources close to Chandler say that he feels quote unstoppable

776
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, not exactly sure why he was out

777
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time? What was Was Was there

778
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: anything given as to why? None? Zero? Although it's funny

779
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: when you say instoppable because you hear him saying that

780
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: all the time. So are you saying so? Did you

781
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: just overhear him saying that? Source is very close to

782
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. You can take that. I can hear where

783
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: you want in my head. That's a good investigative reporter there,

784
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: Darren taking a little deeper with a follow up question

785
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: as to ascertain the nature of the source exactly So

786
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Yes, very intrigued, especially now that he has

787
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: company along that defensive front. To your point about ninety nine,

788
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: what exactly is that going to look like? And how

789
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: will it benefit those guys going after the quarterback? I

790
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: like that one, Chandler Jones, and he is very intriguing,

791
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: you know. I know it's easy to say, but with

792
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: everything that's happened in camp, I'm going to go with

793
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback because there's been so much said about Kyler

794
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: Murray and should he be playing in the preseason and

795
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: what kind of camp did he really have and how

796
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: did he look? And he did look like he to me.

797
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: He started out a little slower but got and got better,

798
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: which is kind of what camps for. Like. I don't

799
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: have a problem with him having a slow start to

800
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: camp because that's the whole point. You haven't been practicing

801
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: all offseason for the most part, and then you come

802
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: into camp. You should be slower at first comparatively if

803
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: you're really good at the beginning. I'm wondering a little

804
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: and so but him talking about how he didn't really

805
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: want preseason games and he only had the three series

806
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: and they didn't go well. I don't think ultimately that

807
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: there's a straight line between him not playing well against

808
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and what happens the first week. But the

809
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: spotlight is going to be intense on him when they

810
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: opened the season in Tennessee, because we all know if

811
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: he struggles or this offense struggles, everybody's going to say, see,

812
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: you should have played the full all three preseason games.

813
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: And even once they canceled New Orleans. You should have

814
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: played the Saints on your own because you should have

815
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: those snaps. We all know that that's what the argument's

816
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: going to be, So I think I think there's a

817
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit of pressure there as he comes in and

818
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: he is in his third year and this team does

819
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: rely so much on not only what he does because

820
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: he's the quarterback, but on what they're going to need

821
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: from him to make the kind of push that you

822
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: know he's expected to play. I heard DeAndre Hopkins yelling

823
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: at me and Mike Jarecki today as we came off

824
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: the practice field. He goes, how many how many? What

825
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: are you guys predicting? How many wins are we going

826
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: to get? And that's that's a great question, because I

827
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of it will go back to the

828
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: quarterback and how well he really plays, and whether getting

829
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: all these weapons and getting Cliff Kingsbury into his third

830
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: year of play calling, how much of that makes a difference.

831
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: You know, if you're to recap what we heard about

832
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray over the course of August, we had a

833
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: couple of players going on the record saying he has

834
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: better arm strength, better zip, better velocity on the football.

835
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: We heard that on the record. I think it was

836
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker in the pash Pot, or maybe it was

837
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and maybe both. And then Christian Kirk confirmed

838
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: that on the Big Red Rage about the arm strength.

839
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: So there's that. And then it was Christian Kirk who

840
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: just recently shared with the media that Kyler is more

841
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: app to send video clips from some of the film work,

842
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: a specific video clips to specific receivers and weapons on

843
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: the team and say, hey, you know what, think about

844
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: doing it this way or this looks good or why

845
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: don't we try this? So that seems to be encouraging

846
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: that this evolution of Kyler as a team leader. How

847
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: many times, as Cliff Kingsbury said this offseason and during

848
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: this Cardinals camp, that it's his team now, he feels

849
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: like it's his team, whether that's because he's in year

850
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: three and or because of the departure of an absolute

851
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: team leader like a Larry Fitzgerald. There's no question whose

852
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: offense and whose team it is now. So these are

853
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: all factors that go beyond just the talent, beyond just

854
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: the marketing moniker we threw out there. Come for the arms,

855
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: stay for legs, these are all the other elements that

856
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: make you a franchise quarterback, that make you a winning quarterback.

857
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: When I hear Kyler say in that interview, I think

858
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: it was with the ESPN that we started feeling ourselves

859
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: after that six and three start, and guess what, maybe

860
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: some of the attention to detail waned. It sounds like

861
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: it sounds like there was a lesson learned last year.

862
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: So to me, that's encouraging if you're in that locker

863
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: room that, starting with a quarterback, everybody has learned. Okay,

864
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: every single rep of every regular season game matters. This

865
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: is in the NBA where you can have an off

866
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: night and it doesn't matter. I feel like the reason

867
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: that this team underperformed sort of speak in the second

868
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: half of the regular season last year was because there

869
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: might have been a lack of leadership. I feel like

870
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: Kyler mary self evaluated over the offseason and told himself,

871
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: you know what, for this team to be successful successful

872
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, I am going

873
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: to have to be a leader. I am going to

874
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: have to take those steps and take control of the

875
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: team because I mean, you guys know better than anyone

876
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: covering the NFL for years and years and decades and decades,

877
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: and right that to be successful and towards the end

878
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: of the season and into the postseason, you have to

879
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: have good leadership. And I feel like Kyler Mary's taken

880
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: a step into that direction. Hopefully he maintains it throughout

881
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the entire season, but you know, it's it's a positive

882
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: step for the Horizonal Cardinals. Well, if it's not Kyler,

883
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: obviously it could be Cam Newton. Did you see when

884
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: Cam Newton was released? How many of these I don't

885
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: even know what you call them. They're not national publications.

886
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're blogs, But there was at

887
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: least a half dozen do a ten outlets NFL outlets

888
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: that had the Cardinals as a top five or top

889
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: three destination for Cam Newton. I mean, no, no, and

890
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: more no, are you kidding me? Not to mentioned, the

891
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: Cardinals got a firsthand look at Cam Newton a year

892
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: ago with his sub thirty passer rating in New England.

893
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: He was horrific last year. Even though the Cardinals figured

894
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: out a way to lose that game, which was probably

895
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the most vaccine aspect of that loss in New England

896
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: is that Cam Newton was terrible. Yeah, you know it. Look,

897
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: the reality is is that Cam Newton is not vaccinated

898
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people think that that's a possible

899
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: reason that he's no longer in New England. And it's

900
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: going to be tough for him just to get back

901
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: into a building because he's got to have a five

902
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: day waiting period just to get to any places. And

903
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I read one Dallas writer who

904
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: said Cam Newton would be a great backup for Dak Prescott.

905
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: But there's no way you can take that risk with

906
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: him unvaccinated right now. So I mean, that's that's a reality.

907
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: But there are Vegas odds out as to the likelihood

908
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: of where he might go. Pittsburgh is number one the

909
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: most likely. The Cardinals are eighth according to official Vegas odds.

910
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: You can wager on where Cam Newton is watched him Yeah, yeah,

911
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: always wash. What are the teams that had him? I

912
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: do not have one through eight, I'm sorry, I do

913
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: not have one through Dallas is number two, though Dallas

914
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: is tied for number two. Okay, I'm just they're just curious.

915
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: But you know, the Cam Newton thing is really really interesting. Now.

916
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: It may have nothing to do with vaccinations. It may

917
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: have everything to do with all right, we are we

918
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: have Brian Hoyer, although I think they officially cut Brian Hoyer,

919
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: but they're gonna bring him right back because he's not

920
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: going anywhere else. They know they can have a handshake

921
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: deal into the table and then this way they can

922
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: get a guy who's hurt onto the regular roster and

923
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: then put him on IR in two days and then

924
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: bring back Howyers. So they're gonna have Brian Hoyer as

925
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: their backup. Okay, So you just feel like, Okay, we're

926
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna move on. We're gonna have Brian Hoyer, the the

927
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: the guy who knows how to be a backup as

928
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: our backup. And then you don't have any pressure on

929
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Mac Jones in terms of, okay, now that he's got

930
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the job, we're not going to have this. You know

931
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: in your face that there's a guy in the bench

932
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: that if things go bad, we're gonna throw him out there.

933
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: And I in a lot of ways, I do like

934
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: that idea because it's it's it's tough for a young

935
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: quarterback knowing that it's over the shoulder a little bit

936
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and besides, yeah, you can't have a

937
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: Cam Newton in the risk of that locker room being

938
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: divided into factions between those who want the rookie quarterback

939
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: and those who want that's what I wished former MVP.

940
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: You just, yeah, that's that's what I would think. It

941
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: makes no sense here for the Cardinals, though, I mean,

942
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: I think I think it's been proven that Colt McCoy.

943
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Coulte McCoy has been better in Camp

944
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Felippe then I thought he was going to be. So

945
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with him, and he's like the perfect

946
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: backup guy, and you know, Cam Newton is not coming

947
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: into be a third guy. I feel like they just

948
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: mentioned Cam Newton because of the similar play styles between

949
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Kylert Cam Newton, and I feel like that's typical, you know,

950
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: like to your point, that is pretty lazy. But I

951
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if he goes back, well,

952
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: goes back to his coach, Ron Rivera from his time

953
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: with the Panthers. Except with my first thought, and again

954
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to turn this into a COVID thing,

955
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: but Ron Rivera has had cancer. Any talk, he gets

956
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: mad at his players that don't get vaccinated. He's not

957
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: bringing in no matter how much he loves. Maybe that

958
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: convinces Cam Maybe maybe hasn't Mike Zimmer hasn't convinced Kirk

959
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: Cousins yet they're not that close, you know. Yeah, So

960
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: what's left here? Is there a concern You're gonna go

961
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna go into the labor Day weekend and okay,

962
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: and you know, mandatory four days off and you got

963
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: your barbecues lined up. Maybe an out of town trip,

964
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: maybe it's a staycation, none of the above, whatever, But

965
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something perhaps that keeps you up at night,

966
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: you wake up at three in the morning, there's something

967
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: on your mind with this team. What would that be?

968
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: What's the biggest concern? What do you think has Cliff

969
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: Kingsbury getting up even earlier than his typical three forty

970
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: five wake up call and wondering about this team? What

971
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: do I think would keep Cliff up or what do

972
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: I think. Let's think of it through the eyes of

973
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: the head coach. What should be most potentially vaccine right

974
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: now or concerning between now in September twelfth, if you're

975
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: the head coach, beyond just another COVID outbreak, which is

976
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: totally beyond his realm. I mean, honestly, if I'm thinking that,

977
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know the man that well because you

978
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: just don't get inside his head real easily, but I

979
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: would think it would be can my two young inside

980
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: linebackers hold up? And a defense, especially now that we're

981
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: we just got a little younger at cornerback, can they

982
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: hold up? You know, I think I got a pretty

983
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: decent defensive line. I think my secondary can be okay,

984
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: can those guys hold up? That's what I would think.

985
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Now if if if you were saying, what do I

986
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: think he should? I mean, my first thought would be, Hey,

987
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: this offense better freaking click. But I don't think he's

988
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: going to think like that. I think he's pretty confident

989
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: in the offense. And you know what, us have had

990
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: the whole offseason to figure out a way how to

991
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: exploit a rookie middle linebacker and an inexperienced fellow inside linebacker.

992
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: And for that reason, I expect to see a lot

993
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: of Jordan Hicks in Tennessee. I really do. And now,

994
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: especially with maybe your number of situations in a corner

995
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons better suited, you know, into the slot, perhaps,

996
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, if I'm a head coach, I'm wondering, oh boy,

997
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: what are the Titans have in store for my two

998
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: young inside linebackers. I would agree with you on that. Yeah,

999
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: what would keep me up at night if I was

1000
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Philippe Kingsbury. Um, I thought you were Philippe Collins. I

1001
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: mean Philippa Wilson now Marco Wilson. Anyway, if I'm thinking

1002
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: about that Week one matchup, and I'm obviously they have

1003
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: the top, if not the top, the best running back

1004
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL and Derrick Henry, I'm thinking about how

1005
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: that defensive line is going to be looking come Week

1006
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: one because they haven't necessarily been on the field at

1007
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: the same time Caps Jordan Phillips obviously, CHALLEA Jones has

1008
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: missed a missed a good chunk of training camp along

1009
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: with j J. Watts. So the cohesive, simeness, the cohesiveness

1010
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: of that defensive line would keep me up because you're

1011
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: facing the top running back in the NFL and you

1012
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: have in your defensive line hasn't seen the field at

1013
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: the same time. So here's my question. Guys, we just

1014
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: got through sitting here saying we both because me and

1015
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Paul are on the same thing, and you stayed on

1016
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. So that's the question.

1017
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something I got to ask Cliff Kingsbury at

1018
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: some point in a press conference because I'm curious, like,

1019
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: as a guy with an offensive background, does he worry

1020
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: more about the offense because he's around it more and

1021
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: he knows all the intricate details, or does he worry

1022
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: more about the defense because he doesn't have control over it.

1023
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think I'm gonna ask that

1024
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: question behind you. Make sure you ask that. If you forget,

1025
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I'll make But it is a defense that finished in

1026
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the bottom third in rund yeah, a year ago, so

1027
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: to fleet based point, Absolutely, the risk is real of

1028
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: being exploited by Derek Hunter Henry and that that run game,

1029
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. On the other hand, your

1030
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: your standout left tackle Taylor Luwan is coming off a

1031
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: torn acl and you only had a few snaps. So

1032
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: good luck with Chandler Jones, especially if J. J. Watt

1033
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: has lined up next to him. I just want to

1034
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: point out that Paul has agreed with me twice on

1035
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: this segment on this podcast, because Darren got a little

1036
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: snippy earlier, So ganging a darn for those just can't listen,

1037
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: for those for those that can't see right now, there's

1038
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot of tension going on between Darren and Paul.

1039
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: They're sitting right next to each other. I got half

1040
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: an eye on Darren because I'm not sure what's coming.

1041
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: And then I got half an eye on the doorway

1042
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: in case the turk comes in here asking for my headset.

1043
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: So you know, you never know what's around the corner.

1044
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: I will say that on paper, on paper now. The

1045
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: d line J. J. Watt, Zach Allen, Jordan Phillips, Lucky

1046
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: Foe too or Shard Lawrence, Corey Peters, and Vance Joseph

1047
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: is a guy called Michael Dogbe. Absolutely And by the way,

1048
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: if Dogby does get cut, it will he will sign

1049
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: to somebody's fifty three in an instant think, Oh, I think, so,

1050
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: I really do. And so I'm a big fan of

1051
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Michael Dogby and a lot of guys. He's the guy

1052
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: who's been under the radar and really had a great

1053
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: offseason and has been much better this year in so

1054
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: far in camp. So I'm not surprised at all that

1055
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: he actually made this team. Now, whether he dresses on

1056
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: game day, we'll see what. I do. Expect our six

1057
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: defensive linement out there, at least five and they're gonna

1058
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: be coming in waves. And if jj Watt is not

1059
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: playing over a thousand snaps like he did last year,

1060
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: guess what. I think. We're all intrigued to see that them.

1061
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: And he admitted it might be tough. You might have

1062
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: to tell him, okay, guess what you're sitting out this

1063
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: series and he might not like it, but long term

1064
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: it's best for him and it might turn in him

1065
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: into a really productive guy against the run. We'll see, Yeah,

1066
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: you know so point. I'm just glad nobody came through

1067
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: the door and whack TV Ye. That's true. That's true. Okay,

1068
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Well what is the real quick? Where do they go

1069
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: from here? In terms of the procedures and the processes.

1070
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: They can start signing guys to the practice squad effective Wednesday,

1071
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: September first. Is that how that works? We're gonna they're

1072
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna have their practice squad. I mean, I am hoping

1073
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: that all you people out there grab this up Tuesday

1074
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: afternoon as soon as it's posted and listened to it

1075
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: right away. But there's a very good possibility. You could

1076
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: be listening to it and they already have a practice squad.

1077
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: So but yeah, they'll they'll have the one cool thing

1078
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: about how there's no fourth preseason game this year and

1079
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that they can kind of adjust everything. I mean, in

1080
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: the past, you'd have that last preseason game on a Thursday,

1081
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: you'd have final cuts, do Saturday, they'd have to do

1082
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: practice squad Sunday, and Monday's was still a big scramble.

1083
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Right now, these teams will be done with I mean,

1084
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals will be finished practice Wednesday morning, and then

1085
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: they'll have put their practice squad together, so by the

1086
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: time they get their bonus practice on Labor Day, they'll

1087
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: have their they'll have their entire roster together. So that'll

1088
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: be good. Because there was a moment in there when

1089
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinal said five receivers after releasing Keyshawn Johnson before

1090
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: the final fifty three came out and there was all

1091
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: this Larry fish Gerald content coming out on NFL dot

1092
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: com and at the NFL Twitter handle. I'm like, wait

1093
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: a minute, what do they know? Is this foreshadow in here?

1094
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: What exact And then I realized it's Larry and Darren's birthday.

1095
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: And that was that was the cause and effect, right, So, Philippe,

1096
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: I think you joined me and wishing Darren a very

1097
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Happy birthday, Darren, thank you, Happy thirtieth birthday,

1098
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: Darren Rvan, thank you so much. You can get younger

1099
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: by the day. It is. Yeah, I don't know. And

1100
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: then this whole eighteen to thirty four demo, you know,

1101
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm not sure it was you know,

1102
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: the manners around here, you know, yeah, exactly. That'll do

1103
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to you

1104
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.