Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z E mccoming to you from
Speaker 1: the home office in Austin, Texas. Happy spring break, everybody.
Speaker 1: I hope you made it through. This is what the
Speaker 1: I think. It's the end of the three weeks of
Speaker 1: all the spring breaks that everybody has taken with their kids,
Speaker 1: and I hope you all survive.
Speaker 2: I think there's one more. There's a round of one more.
Speaker 3: I know, because we are actually going to my college,
Speaker 3: University of Missouri, right to check out Josh's your son,
Speaker 3: Josh has lacrosse game against Miszoo. And my only reason
Speaker 3: I'm like a little bummed out is that we are
Speaker 3: going and it's going to be spring break weekend, so
Speaker 3: like I want you to have the full Miszoo experience
Speaker 3: with the kids walking across the quad and all that,
Speaker 3: and it might be a little quiet.
Speaker 2: M I z z oh you baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to go. Elz and I are
Speaker 1: going back to college. We're going to go back to Missoo.
Speaker 1: We're going to check out the Theta. How We're gonna
Speaker 1: I'm so excited around town. I'm excited too.
Speaker 2: I loved going to Miszoo.
Speaker 3: Miszoo at TCU when we first looked at it with
Speaker 3: the kids, reminded me of Missoo and that they're both
Speaker 3: very like, this is what you think college is supposed
Speaker 3: to look like. There's a it's all centered around the quad.
Speaker 3: The town is really into the college. It's like very
Speaker 3: you know, it's not in the middle of some big city,
Speaker 3: and you know, I mean, every college experience can be different,
Speaker 3: but I remember thinking, I'm so glad I kind of
Speaker 3: had the ultimate, you know, picturesque college.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the Lourenzema statue, the Lauren
Speaker 1: Zema Square, and I think we actually are going to
Speaker 1: talk to some mass calm students there, so it's going
Speaker 1: to be fun. I'm looking forward to geting up the Miszoo.
Speaker 3: So okay, I mean before we get there, there's not
Speaker 3: a mass calm department at the University of Missouri.
Speaker 2: The University of Missouri School of Journalisms.
Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, oh gosh.
Speaker 2: The number the first two I have to say it
Speaker 2: with an accent, you have to say it with gravitas.
Speaker 1: School of Judaism.
Speaker 3: And we're not British, We're American. Okay, just have some
Speaker 3: depth to it. This is the first ever journalism school
Speaker 3: in the country. This is the number one journalism school
Speaker 3: in the country. Okay, you can't go in there, saying
Speaker 3: the mass Calm department, please have some respect.
Speaker 2: Oh man. Anyway, this week is gonna be great.
Speaker 3: But we did just have a great weekend of spring
Speaker 3: break because.
Speaker 1: Our kids were off last week. And yeah, so spring break.
Speaker 2: We love the.
Speaker 3: Flight prices that American Airlines gives us when they know
Speaker 3: it's Texas school spring break. Dear Lord, I glance these
Speaker 3: airline prices. They've gotten crazy to me. I glanced at
Speaker 3: our I thought about maybe changing our flight back, because
Speaker 3: we were in Mexico with your wonderful daughter Taylor and
Speaker 3: three of her incredible friends.
Speaker 2: They were such sweet girls.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad they have each other and that they
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Speaker 3: and I glanced at changing our flight if someone wanted
Speaker 3: to get on our flight back. A flight from Cabos,
Speaker 3: San Lucas to Austin, Texas was three three hundred dollars
Speaker 3: a one way, one way ticket, basic economy.
Speaker 2: Fair. What's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I asked the flight attendant that. He said, there's an
Speaker 1: algorithm now, it's all AI. There isn't like he said,
Speaker 1: nobody sitting next to anybody is paying the same price
Speaker 1: for any seat.
Speaker 3: It's like to on demand Taylor swift eras tour ticket
Speaker 3: pricing style all AI.
Speaker 1: It's what they're doing with apartments now. And we can
Speaker 1: get into this someday too, about the whole AI, about
Speaker 1: how it's raising all the rents for everybody because it's
Speaker 1: basically a monopoly. Now they are controlling the price, and
Speaker 1: as soon as someone buys one apartment, they'll up the
Speaker 1: next price and up the next price. So it's not
Speaker 1: going to be just this flat rate for everybody. Same
Speaker 1: thing used to be for airline tickets, right, they'd at
Speaker 1: a price everybody would buy a ticket and they go
Speaker 1: now as soon as more and more tickets are sold
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, set on demand algorithm thing, and so he.
Speaker 1: Said, never again will people pay the same price for tickets.
Speaker 2: That's wild to me.
Speaker 3: And here's what's nonsensical about And it makes me wonder
Speaker 3: if they'll pull back. I would imagine I wonder if
Speaker 3: they miss out on selling tickets like today, if you
Speaker 3: needed that flight, I'd be like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to pay thirty.
Speaker 1: Three floors at the executive office that just do this.
Speaker 1: They just set pricing and just deal with.
Speaker 2: These is it floors If people are computers or.
Speaker 1: Just computers, now, probably they've made the people obsolete. Now
Speaker 1: it's just a setting the Yeah, because that's a big
Speaker 1: thing with rent now and all these apartments, is that
Speaker 1: you know, it's essentially a monopoly. It's not the same company,
Speaker 1: but it's a different kind of monopoly because all the
Speaker 1: companies are basically working together to set the price, and
Speaker 1: it will just go up and up, and so no
Speaker 1: one's going to undercut anybody. No one's going to get
Speaker 1: a deal. Same thing with these airlines. It's long gone
Speaker 1: to the days where you're going to get a deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty three hundred dollars. I was like, let's
Speaker 2: go to Europe.
Speaker 1: You know, it is cheaper to go to Europe than
Speaker 1: it is to go I was sey domestically.
Speaker 3: Now I just got right, like I just got some
Speaker 3: TikTok fed to me or an Instagram rule or something.
Speaker 3: That's probably because I was annoyed in looking this up
Speaker 3: where someone was talking about how it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: ski season right now, that it's cheaper to fly to
Speaker 3: France and go skiing in France than it is in
Speaker 3: to go to Colorado.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, take me to France, exactly, fly
Speaker 2: me to France. I'll go.
Speaker 1: Speaking of British accents, I would love to not talk
Speaker 1: about this because I'm going to put this in the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift category of sure you would love to avoid it.
Speaker 1: But when I noticed you and I have been talking
Speaker 1: about something for three days straight, it's just what it's
Speaker 1: what we got to talk about. We have been talking
Speaker 1: about this. Kate, Kate Gate, water kits William water Kate.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying water kak Kay.
Speaker 1: I like that, but it is where and who is
Speaker 1: Kate Middleton?
Speaker 2: Where? And who? Oh my god, it's you know this,
Speaker 2: this conspiracy of.
Speaker 1: Where is Kate? And the photo that was doctored? Is
Speaker 1: she okay? And then the Palace say, you know, she
Speaker 1: had abdominal surgery, don't expect to see her before Easter,
Speaker 1: and she's recovering, please respect her privacy, okay, And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she emerges with this doctored photo
Speaker 1: that only stirred things up more Well, yesterday we finally
Speaker 1: got living proof via a video from the Windsor Market
Speaker 1: or did we or did this video just stir things
Speaker 1: up even more so?
Speaker 3: When something has reached your ears, then that is also
Speaker 3: always a gauge to me that it's really getting weird
Speaker 3: and people are really into it. I like, first, I
Speaker 3: want to say, because I've been posting about Kate Gate
Speaker 3: a little bit on Instagram, and I've gotten a lot
Speaker 3: of people, mostly people who were like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I'm so invested what is going on? And then I'll
Speaker 3: get a few people who are saying, I can't believe
Speaker 3: you and Chris are even talking about this, because your
Speaker 3: public figures and you need to respect her. I want
Speaker 3: to make something clear. I've not criticized her in any way.
Speaker 3: I've not criticized William even in any way, And I
Speaker 3: do not want the paparazzi going out and hounding to
Speaker 3: try to find pictures of Kate. What I am fascinated
Speaker 3: by and what I am critiquing is the Palace's roll
Speaker 3: out of this is the way that they've handled whatever
Speaker 3: she's going through and how badly it's gone. I think
Speaker 3: that this has done significant damage to the level of
Speaker 3: trust and the level of respect that people have for
Speaker 3: the royal family their role.
Speaker 2: Out of all this, it's been a mess and okay,
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts flooding through my head, and
Speaker 1: I'll start with what you just said. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it is the fact that we don't trust the
Speaker 1: media anymore, and I think that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 1: Nobody trusts the media, So there's that and the fact
Speaker 1: that I don't know we can trust the Royal Palace
Speaker 1: anymore and their pr So there's this weird dichotomy going
Speaker 1: on if I don't trust the palace and what they're
Speaker 1: putting out, but then a lot of the stuff that's
Speaker 1: hitting the media, and of course social media is not trustful,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to find out where the truth is.
Speaker 1: Like yesterday there was this big thing about the flags
Speaker 1: that can anyone tell me why the flags at Buckingham
Speaker 1: Palace are at half staff?
Speaker 3: They weren't because the conspiracy theories are at the point
Speaker 3: of some people are like, Kate is dead. They're hiding
Speaker 3: that she's dead, and I'm like, you, guys, the.
Speaker 1: White Horse a month ago that went through and that
Speaker 1: signifies somebody passed away, and then the flags are at
Speaker 1: half staff. And then you know, somebody debunks that and says,
Speaker 1: well that that picture was taken back in September.
Speaker 2: Right, the video is old, they're not.
Speaker 1: Actually, you have to worry about all that stuff even
Speaker 1: when And then can we just throw in Barack Obama. Now,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama is on Downing Street, he's an England Meetia
Speaker 1: with the prime What does that have to do with it?
Speaker 1: And then but honestly, as soon as I saw Barack
Speaker 1: Obama's video of him in England, my first thought was,
Speaker 1: I don't believe this was this from when he was president?
Speaker 1: You know, is this an old video as well? So well,
Speaker 1: you do hard to corroborate this stuff.
Speaker 2: You really have to.
Speaker 3: Question what is what you see on Twitter, on TikTok,
Speaker 3: on Instagram, because I think I don't know why it
Speaker 3: is if it's because people want to go viral, or
Speaker 3: if because they don't check out where they're getting stuff,
Speaker 3: but they post things that are like, yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: this old photo and people are posting it like it's new,
Speaker 3: and then what is the truth becomes very confusing and
Speaker 3: we live in that age and that is why I
Speaker 3: really started getting into this Kate thing when it came
Speaker 3: out that the photo of her on Mother's Day with
Speaker 3: her kids was fully doctored, Because the issue to me
Speaker 3: there is it's not an issue of oh, we airbrushed
Speaker 3: a photo and you know, smoothed out some skin and
Speaker 3: made somebody look a little better and had a really
Speaker 3: good life.
Speaker 1: He's a weird film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the
Speaker 3: fact that it has been shown through the metadata of
Speaker 3: the photo, that it was seemingly two or three different
Speaker 3: photos comprised together, that Kate's face was not the face
Speaker 3: like of that photo, and that it was presented as
Speaker 3: if it was real. You can't be a public figure
Speaker 3: creating and faking an official figure. I mean, the people
Speaker 3: of England pay for the Royal family.
Speaker 1: I think you hit a good point the other day
Speaker 1: when you and I were talking about this, going back
Speaker 1: to journalism in your school of journalism, you had. The
Speaker 1: biggest issue was they sent that out as journalism to
Speaker 1: news organizations, and you're sending that out as this is legit,
Speaker 1: this is real.
Speaker 3: You can't send a fake a photo of a faked moment,
Speaker 3: a moment that never happened to the Associated Press, to Reuters,
Speaker 3: to the AFP and say send this out for wide distribution.
Speaker 3: If you want to put something up on your Instagram,
Speaker 3: that's your right, right. But those agencies are supposed to
Speaker 3: be sending out images that are only true.
Speaker 1: And there's a difference between you put a filter on
Speaker 1: it and you fix your you know, a bruise or
Speaker 1: a beauty marker. So there's a difference between that and
Speaker 1: actually doctoring and faking a moment that didn't happen. That's
Speaker 1: the big difference here. We all use filters. Now, flash
Speaker 1: forward to this TMZ video. This was and I just
Speaker 1: saw something just two seconds ago. They ran the metadata
Speaker 1: and TMZ is going back over this saying, guys, this
Speaker 1: metadata shows this video was taken live Saturday. This did happen. Now,
Speaker 1: was that Kate? Was that William? All that stuff? You
Speaker 1: can argue that all the day, all day long. But
Speaker 1: so TMZ's backing up the fact that they released this
Speaker 1: as news. This moment happened in time. Whoever that woman is,
Speaker 1: it's Kate or if it's some other woman, we don't
Speaker 1: know because it doesn't look a lot like Kate. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, but that we can confirmed did happen Saturday?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so the market.
Speaker 3: So I think with the reason that we keep talking
Speaker 3: about this now is because every thing that's happened has
Speaker 3: a weird angle to it. So this all started if
Speaker 3: you've really been living under I rock. The cliffs Notes
Speaker 3: version is over right after the holidays. The Palace says
Speaker 3: that Kate is going to have a planned abdominal surgery
Speaker 3: and she will be out of public appearances. She won't
Speaker 3: be seen until Easter, and everyone's kind of like, whoa that.
Speaker 3: First of all, she had a trip planned for Italy
Speaker 3: in early January that got canceled, so it doesn't really
Speaker 3: sound like a planned surgery. If you also had a
Speaker 3: planned trip you canceled, that's a little weird. And the
Speaker 3: fact that she's going to be out for a while
Speaker 3: kind of raises some red flags. But you know, hey,
Speaker 3: whatever the surgery is, she doesn't have to share her
Speaker 3: medical stuff with everybody, even though she's a public figure.
Speaker 3: I get that, but it was a little weird. So
Speaker 3: they started out with that, that's weird. Then she's really
Speaker 3: not seen, not even like you know, seen going to
Speaker 3: and from someone's house, not seen, and that's a little
Speaker 3: weird because if we remember Prince Philip when he was
Speaker 3: like in his late nineties, Yeah, there were some picks
Speaker 3: of him in a car and we were like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, let the man rest. I mean, so, while
Speaker 3: we didn't expect her public appearance as official appearances, it
Speaker 3: was a little weird that she literally wasn't seen anywhere.
Speaker 3: Then we get a picture of her in a car,
Speaker 3: but she doesn't totally look like Kate. She looks a
Speaker 3: little different. Now, maybe it's something medical that's going on.
Speaker 3: I don't want to it's not that she looks bad,
Speaker 3: but she doesn't totally look like Kate. Then we get
Speaker 3: a picture of her in a car with William, but
Speaker 3: you can't really see her face at all. It's like
Speaker 3: her from the back.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 3: Then we get the doctored photo on Mother's Day that's
Speaker 3: completely fabricated. Now we have this video, and here's what's
Speaker 3: weird about the video. To me, I'm glad TMZ said
Speaker 3: that the metadata showed it was taken on Saturday.
Speaker 2: But if she is out at a.
Speaker 3: Farmer's market, the windsor little local market, right, and at
Speaker 3: this point everyone in the world is talking about this story,
Speaker 3: I would think everyone would have been whipping out their
Speaker 3: phones filming it, like, oh my gosh, it's Kate and
Speaker 3: Will and all we get is one video from very
Speaker 3: far away. It just feels odd to me, like that's
Speaker 3: like there's all every.
Speaker 2: Single one of these instances. Something is a little off,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I don't want
Speaker 1: to care about this and the royal family is I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm not that interested in any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But nothing has made sense. Nothing has been the lowest
Speaker 1: common denominator of just here she is here, Look, she's speaking,
Speaker 1: she's alive. The video of this woman, whoever that is,
Speaker 1: was not only not injured, hrt sick. She was gallivanting,
Speaker 1: like almost skipping through this market completely fine, as if
Speaker 1: nothing has ever happened to her a day in her life.
Speaker 1: None of this makes sense. Somebody's got to make it
Speaker 1: make sense to me.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe, Like, even if the people of
Speaker 3: England are quite respectful of Will and Kate, I can't
Speaker 3: believe that at this point, at this stage in the story,
Speaker 3: when everyone knows that, like the world over is talking
Speaker 3: about this, that a few people didn't like pull out
Speaker 3: their iPhone which everybody has, and like, take a couple
Speaker 3: of picks.
Speaker 2: If if you had, if this had.
Speaker 3: Been she showed up at a market and lots of
Speaker 3: people got pictures and took videos, I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there she is. She's fine, but it's just a little weird.
Speaker 1: And someone mentioned this as a bruder film of you know,
Speaker 1: the famous JFK film of trying to fit. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel we're looking at It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: people are trying to unblur the image, like again, help
Speaker 1: me make sense of this. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I hope she's okay, God bless her. This is crazy,
Speaker 1: but they can end this.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want this on her, don't want to put
Speaker 1: this on her, but just by the way you can
Speaker 1: put it into it so quickly, and that's where when
Speaker 1: people get on you or you know, a message, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, how dare you? Just let her live? Okay?
Speaker 1: They are famous to be famous, that is their job.
Speaker 1: Their their job is to be famous. Their royal family.
Speaker 1: They don't really have a job. It's not a title.
Speaker 1: It's a self proclaimed title from this family. But so
Speaker 1: just if your job is to be famous, your job
Speaker 1: is to be seen, as they say in the Crown
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, part of my job is to
Speaker 1: be seen.
Speaker 3: When the Queen Elizabeth quote was a real quote, is
Speaker 3: she said I have to be seen to be believed.
Speaker 1: So Kate could put an end to this in two
Speaker 1: point two seconds and just put out a video of guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're worried about me, and dah dah
Speaker 1: da dah you saw me at the market the other day.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know I feel all
Speaker 1: your prayers and well wishes. I'm doing great. I'll see
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 2: Boom, We'll see that. And that's it, I know. And
Speaker 2: that's what I don't get.
Speaker 3: That's what I don't get because now I've heard some
Speaker 3: people point out and this is part of like the
Speaker 3: Royal families outdated. I think media policies apparently they like
Speaker 3: are like no selfie videos on social media, that's not
Speaker 3: something they allow, okay, But the Queen of England did
Speaker 3: an address every year, a video address at Christmas. It's
Speaker 3: not weird for them to do video messages, so why
Speaker 3: can't they just if Kate's added a farmer's market. Send
Speaker 3: someone with a camera to her house and have her
Speaker 3: film a quick, sweet video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or make one of those royal appearances you know
Speaker 1: when they like, like you mentioned, when she had a baby.
Speaker 3: Well, but this is what everyone well, I know, okay,
Speaker 3: everyone's saying they kind of trotted her out after each baby.
Speaker 3: I mean, hours after giving earth she's standing in heels
Speaker 3: and address outside the hospital holding that baby. You want
Speaker 3: to talk about an abdominal surgery. I mean, she just
Speaker 3: had a baby, and they took photos of her hours
Speaker 3: later after each of the three kids.
Speaker 1: If she's that healthy, just walk her out, William, and
Speaker 1: you know, they don't ask, have to ask questions, just
Speaker 1: walk out, give the royal wave, right hey guys.
Speaker 3: Well so then this is when people make the argument
Speaker 3: of but she told us she wanted some privacy to
Speaker 3: recover from the surgery, okay, And then to that, I say,
Speaker 3: this is why I think the Palace is just handling
Speaker 3: it wrong. They should have just given people regular updates.
Speaker 3: Part of what this came out of is they were like,
Speaker 3: there won't be any updates. They literally send a statement
Speaker 3: there won't be updates. Well that's a little weird. I
Speaker 3: would have and William has been at these public appearances.
Speaker 3: Just tell people, Hey, everybody, he could have said something. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 3: just want you to know. Kate wishes she could be
Speaker 3: or she continues to recover. She sends her lest he's.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: The husband, William has given speeches in the last few
Speaker 1: weeks as if none of this is happening. It's it's
Speaker 1: not gaslighting, but maybe that is the term of just
Speaker 1: stop making me feel crazy. Stop making me feel crazy
Speaker 1: for just trying to figure out what's going on. And
Speaker 1: every time I think I got a handle on this,
Speaker 1: you guys do something crazier.
Speaker 2: This is really affecting.
Speaker 1: I feel nuts because it's just, you know, when you
Speaker 1: and I always talk about these things when we get
Speaker 1: into journalism, when we get into stories, and you and
Speaker 1: I always dig deep in all these stories when it
Speaker 1: comes to news, and it's like when things don't make sense,
Speaker 1: when things don't pass the smell test, that's when I
Speaker 1: get intrigued. They've made me vested in this story because
Speaker 1: none of this makes sense. It's bonkers.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we're the idiots and it's all really brilliant
Speaker 3: because they've gotten everyone talking about the road fan.
Speaker 1: You and I Well, as we were leaving the airport yesterday,
Speaker 1: I thought, is this are they thinking the next season
Speaker 1: of The Crown is not written and so we just
Speaker 1: have to come up with the most bizarre story.
Speaker 2: I don't need to get a cut of the Crown.
Speaker 2: That that's the problem. Ibe.
Speaker 3: Maybe they worked out a deal behind the scenes that Netflix,
Speaker 3: and now we'll get a cut in or.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought about this too. You know, we
Speaker 1: grew up in the world of the Kardashians. Are are
Speaker 1: they so savvy? And I don't think they are, because
Speaker 1: if we've learned anything from all this, the press are
Speaker 1: so disjointed over there, and the press meaning the pr
Speaker 1: people of the you know, Kate has her people, William
Speaker 1: has her people. You know, Megan and Harry had their people,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And they're all kind of contradictory, and they
Speaker 1: don't really have any synergy. And so I don't think
Speaker 1: they're smart enough to do this. But it would be
Speaker 1: brilliant if this was all contrived to just make the
Speaker 1: royal family.
Speaker 2: Well, because here's the thing. When we finally do see Kate,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Be like, Oh, she loves yay, I love you Kate
Speaker 3: like I Like I said, I have no critique of Kate.
Speaker 3: I don't want her hounded and I don't want to
Speaker 3: I don't need to know if she's going through a
Speaker 3: private medical issue. I just think either A, the rollout
Speaker 3: of this was such a mess and they need to
Speaker 3: like have handled it better, have updates and things. If
Speaker 3: they had just given people a few regular updates, like
Speaker 3: like I'm talking once a month, you know, release a
Speaker 3: real photo of her, or have her do a VID
Speaker 3: or just release a statement or have William say something,
Speaker 3: it could have been a lot better. But B maybe
Speaker 3: it's just brilliant and maybe they got everyone's eyes and
Speaker 3: ears back on will and Kate and we're all really
Speaker 3: interested invested again and it's a resurgence of we want
Speaker 3: to know everything about you and it's really smart.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But when in what world does a
Speaker 1: video make things more confusing? And that in this day
Speaker 1: and age where it's like oh, okay, great, there you go.
Speaker 3: That video, it speaks to the day and age we're
Speaker 3: in right with AI. With deep fakes, people are going
Speaker 3: to question everything on a level they never did before.
Speaker 3: And again that's why I think, like what truth is
Speaker 3: becomes even more important, and I and the royal family
Speaker 3: is going to have to like find ways to navigate
Speaker 3: this now.
Speaker 1: Like, why doesn't that woman look like Kate? I think
Speaker 1: this is this is how crazy this has gotten me.
Speaker 1: And again for someone who was at his zero and
Speaker 1: now I'm at a twelve, I'm sitting here comparing picture
Speaker 1: old pictures of Kate to this video of Kate to
Speaker 1: old pictures of Kate to this, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: what it's turned me into. I've become Colombo. I'm on
Speaker 1: the case. So clearly my thing is this isn't over.
Speaker 1: There is more weirdness to come. Something else will happen
Speaker 1: this week that's weirder than the last thing, and it's
Speaker 1: only going to stir things up even more. Obviously, she's
Speaker 1: the most sought after person in the world right now,
Speaker 1: so the fact that there weren't a thousand paparazzi at
Speaker 1: the Windsor Open air Market seems a little odd. So
Speaker 1: there we go, Kate Gate, all right. Next up Shakira.
Speaker 1: She is split up with.
Speaker 2: Her husband Gerard. Do you know how to say this? Last? Nay?
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a football he's a soccer player.
Speaker 1: He is a massive, massive Spanish football player. Okay spent
Speaker 1: the majority of his career obviously played for his country
Speaker 1: in Spain, but played for Barcelona along with Messi. He's
Speaker 1: a massive, massive international rock star.
Speaker 3: So they had quite a messy split in the past
Speaker 3: couple of years, and they were together for a long time,
Speaker 3: though they were together for over a decade. And she's
Speaker 3: done a new interview with The Sunday Times. And the
Speaker 3: reason this caught my eye is because I did not
Speaker 3: expect a woman of her level of success, honestly to
Speaker 3: say something like this. And I think what she said
Speaker 3: a lot of women understand and relate to.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 3: For a long time, I put my career on hold
Speaker 3: to be next to Gerard so he could play football.
Speaker 3: Shakira said. They share two kids together. By the way
Speaker 3: she said quote, there was a lot of sacrifice for love. Now,
Speaker 3: what was interesting to me about this is, like I said,
Speaker 3: I I'm not sure I really thought of Shakira as
Speaker 3: like having put her career on hold. But then I
Speaker 3: stopped a thought about it, and I thought, well, she
Speaker 3: kind of did. Like I mean, we all still knew
Speaker 3: who Shakira was, but she wasn't like putting out a
Speaker 3: lot of new music she wasn't touring, and that was
Speaker 3: interesting to me because I hear a lot of women
Speaker 3: say this, and actually it was something that like women,
Speaker 3: even female friends of ours, have like said to me before.
Speaker 3: And it was maybe a concern that I had, not
Speaker 3: really about putting my career on hold when we started dating,
Speaker 3: but you.
Speaker 2: Know, we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3: I was concerned, like you had such a level of
Speaker 3: fame and I had no fame, and I was worried
Speaker 3: that people would think that I was like trying to
Speaker 3: use you for fame. I was worried about how your
Speaker 3: career would like affect mine, or you know, these are
Speaker 3: questions that I had. And then actually when we were
Speaker 3: going to get married, I had a friend of ours
Speaker 3: tell me to you know, not like get lost, make
Speaker 3: sure that my career didn't get lost in yours. And
Speaker 3: I think that was really more her projecting what she
Speaker 3: felt had happened in her own life onto me. But
Speaker 3: it also, you know, I get that she was coming
Speaker 3: from a place of care because I was kind of like, well,
Speaker 3: I've never stopped working. All we've done is, you know,
Speaker 3: we're morphing into working together, and I've never felt like,
Speaker 3: you've done anything but champion me and want our next
Speaker 3: chapter to be us working together. But it was interesting
Speaker 3: that even a woman on that level of power could
Speaker 3: like have felt that pain.
Speaker 1: To me, what it kind of reminded me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the Beckham documentary.
Speaker 2: Oh Victoria and what the David Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because you know, it's kind of one of those something's
Speaker 1: got to give if you're going to and typically this
Speaker 1: involves kids, right, and so the Beckham's were kind of
Speaker 1: like that too. She's in the hospital having babies and he's,
Speaker 1: you know, on stage with Beyonce.
Speaker 2: And and Jalo posing photos.
Speaker 1: For photos and and he comes in he's like, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: do my hair, you know, for the photo out in
Speaker 1: the hause, you know that kind of stuff. And so
Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of that documentary and they
Speaker 1: were very open about that. And if you haven't watched it,
Speaker 1: by the way, great documentary, and it sounds very similar
Speaker 1: where Shakira is like, well, we had kids. He's playing
Speaker 1: football and you know, he's in the Spanish league or
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's playing with Barcelona, so his season's
Speaker 1: on and someone's got to be there, and so it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. And you look at Taylor Swift and Travis
Speaker 1: Kelcey right now, clearly they're embracing each other's careers and
Speaker 1: supporting each other. And I feel like it's easier when
Speaker 1: you are younger, and it's easier when you don't have kids.
Speaker 1: But even for them, you know, when you look at
Speaker 1: Travis and Taylor, something's gonna have to give, or something
Speaker 1: would if you truly want to be together. She's on
Speaker 1: a world tour, his football season's coming up, he's got
Speaker 1: to go to training camp. Then he's got to go
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting and and typically, to get back
Speaker 1: to your point, when you enter into a relationship, don't
Speaker 1: you find that it's often if it's the man or
Speaker 1: the woman either way who's kind of the bigger breadwinner.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, i'll support you because you're further
Speaker 1: along and you're kind of crushing it, so that'll give
Speaker 1: us a better life.
Speaker 3: There's a biology factor, right like if you're the mom,
Speaker 3: you probably you have to have the baby and go
Speaker 3: on at journey, leave and breastfeed and all the maybe
Speaker 3: and all these things you know or I don't know.
Speaker 3: What's interesting In the case of athletes, like you were
Speaker 3: just talking about. I wonder for Shakira and Gerard if
Speaker 3: there was a discussion of like, he probably only has
Speaker 3: so many years he can play soccer, right, so if
Speaker 3: he doesn't do his job now, he'll have to stop
Speaker 3: doing his job.
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, good athletic point. You're very much right.
Speaker 1: But you know, and I noticed this, and again I
Speaker 1: this is not against athletes, but it's tough for these
Speaker 1: guys to walk away. You see it with boxers that
Speaker 1: come back for too many you know, boxing matches, and
Speaker 1: you know, we saw it with Muhammad Ali it's like
Speaker 1: stop coming back, and Michael Jordan returning it's like, no,
Speaker 1: don't come back, you know, ind on top. And we
Speaker 1: saw it with Beckham in that documentary of like finally
Speaker 1: you know, she's like, great, it's my time, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back and sign one more season
Speaker 1: with a team that you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they'm moving from La oh, we're going back to France.
Speaker 1: And and you know, we have friends who are professional coaches,
Speaker 1: and these coaches are finally done and then they get
Speaker 1: pulled back in regarding what we'll call normal folks like us.
Speaker 1: It is something I think every couple has to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I totally like by the way,
Speaker 3: I mean a professional athlete and a pop singer, these
Speaker 3: are two career driven people. Like I say this with
Speaker 3: no critique, you have to have a certain level of
Speaker 3: ego to like get to that level of fame, of
Speaker 3: belief in yourself of identity. And that's the thing is
Speaker 3: our jobs are very much your identity, right, especially if
Speaker 3: you're someone who's pasionate about your career. But I think
Speaker 3: in America we put a lot into like what are
Speaker 3: you going to be when you grow up? And so
Speaker 3: your job is really part of your identity and that
Speaker 3: becomes why it's hard for people to walk away or
Speaker 3: why when you're doing the toughest job in the world,
Speaker 3: being a stay at home parent, maybe you feel like,
Speaker 3: what is my identity? And I hear that from so
Speaker 3: many women that like you lose it and there's this
Speaker 3: big shift when your kids leave the house or go
Speaker 3: off to college because you're almost like retiring from your
Speaker 3: job a little bit right or semi retiring.
Speaker 2: It's never over.
Speaker 1: But I'd say it's one of the leading causes of
Speaker 1: divorce in America. For sure is that come to Jesus
Speaker 1: moment when kids are gone, or even not even when
Speaker 1: they're gone. Sometimes it's just when they get to high
Speaker 1: school and they're driving and you kind of realize you're
Speaker 1: not needed that much anymore and you have defined yourself
Speaker 1: by being the stay at home mom, stay at home dad,
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and now you have to come
Speaker 1: to that realization of oh gosh, I now have to
Speaker 1: figure my life out, and you look around you're like,
Speaker 1: is this what I really want? So that is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge part in a lot of marriages that sometimes does
Speaker 1: lead to divorce.
Speaker 3: So I think it's such a beautiful thing again to
Speaker 3: be a stay at home parent like my mom being
Speaker 3: there for us as much as she was was incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm so lucky. We were so blessed that we got
Speaker 3: to have that. But at the same time, I really
Speaker 3: had a moment of learning when my dad died because
Speaker 3: my mom was a lawyer.
Speaker 2: I mean, my mom.
Speaker 3: Had, you know, it is incredibly smart, had put her
Speaker 3: career on hold, just like Shakira saying, to raise us.
Speaker 3: And when my dad died, she had really advised and
Speaker 3: helped support my dad in his business a lot. But
Speaker 3: suddenly she needed to find a job and she had
Speaker 3: nothing on her resume for the last over a decade,
Speaker 3: and so it was really hard. And I just watched
Speaker 3: her go through that and watched it kind of hurt
Speaker 3: her self esteem, and it made me realize that if
Speaker 3: you can, if you're able to, I do think I
Speaker 3: think it's really important for both partners in the relationship
Speaker 3: to try to have something there, just a little something
Speaker 3: they're doing outside of parenting, whether it's like you're involved
Speaker 3: in organizations or you're and I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 3: how hard it is in time consuming it is to
Speaker 3: raise kids. But I just would advise that, like you know,
Speaker 3: like I said, for my mom, it was just to
Speaker 3: she had to go get a job and it became
Speaker 3: very hard. And so I've always admired when couples have
Speaker 3: made room for each other to try to have a
Speaker 3: little something, because I also think that's better for the relationship.
Speaker 1: Well, when something defines you, no matter what it is
Speaker 1: that in this case it's parenting, When something defines you wholly,
Speaker 1: when that's gone, you have to redefine yourself and find
Speaker 1: a new definition. And that is a very difficult leap
Speaker 1: to take. And it takes some understanding, some grace and
Speaker 1: a lot of communication, or it can go south in
Speaker 1: a hurry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's something we all have to have,
Speaker 3: like a lot of empathy for of you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of I feel like our friends right now are
Speaker 3: going through that the kids are going to college thing,
Speaker 3: and it is it's like, look, you have to this
Speaker 3: is a change, this is a thing you have to
Speaker 3: navigate because it's a huge shift in how your life's
Speaker 3: been for And I.
Speaker 1: Would recommend if whoever the partner is that is at
Speaker 1: work and has been working, and you've had the you've
Speaker 1: had your definition of your business going, just make sure
Speaker 1: that you pay attention to what's at home and what
Speaker 1: that person's going through. Because it's really easy when you're
Speaker 1: the one that's been working, you're the breadwinner, you've been
Speaker 1: doing all this, you get kind of defensive on your
Speaker 1: own like, well, I've been the one making all the money,
Speaker 1: I've been paying the bills and not. Yeah you don't
Speaker 1: think I'm stressed. Yes you are, and good on you
Speaker 1: for doing all that for your family. But also just
Speaker 1: make sure you pay attention to the partner that has
Speaker 1: been defined by something else. And that definition is gone.
Speaker 1: Help them pay attention to that, help them redefine and
Speaker 1: find what they're passionate about.
Speaker 3: Last headline we're getting to today, So Jenna bush Hager
Speaker 3: has talked about what it's like when other women flirt
Speaker 3: with her husband.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such an interesting headline to me, because
Speaker 2: first of all, I was kind of thinking, like, how
Speaker 2: often does this happening?
Speaker 1: Well, someone called in and they brought it up on
Speaker 1: the Today Show with her and Hoe to copy, and
Speaker 1: this woman was asking for advice. And there are two
Speaker 1: schools of thought on this, but you know, Jenna was
Speaker 1: saying she doesn't mind when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said it on her quote.
Speaker 3: This might be weird, but sometimes I like it when
Speaker 3: people flirt with Henry. I'm just like a baby girl.
Speaker 3: Still got it.
Speaker 2: And she said it's because I am very secure in
Speaker 2: our relationship. I guess she is. I got to be honest.
Speaker 2: When I read this, my first reaction was, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would like it if other women
Speaker 3: were flirting with you.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't like I mean, other men flirt with
Speaker 1: you all the time, and when I see it, they do, well,
Speaker 1: people flirt with you, of course they do. It doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me, Like, I don't get angry, but there was
Speaker 1: something in this that that's different if it's when we're
Speaker 1: out and about if someone's flirting with you and it's
Speaker 1: someone we don't know and it's random whatever, because you
Speaker 1: look beautiful or you're funny, whatever it is. But in
Speaker 1: this particular case, if it's the same person, Oh, the
Speaker 1: same friend keeps sitting on my husband, the same friend
Speaker 1: keeps sitting on my wife, that gets weird. And so
Speaker 1: if it's the same person doing this all the time
Speaker 1: and always like says that inappropriate thing or pushes it,
Speaker 1: that gets weird. But if it's just sure, but if
Speaker 1: it's random, like, yeah, that just that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Oh int Okay, So maybe you and I have different
Speaker 3: Like if I saw a random woman flirting with you,
Speaker 3: I guess i'd be I'm I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's I wouldn't love that. I think it's
Speaker 1: all in how you handle it. You know, it's all
Speaker 1: in how you know.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say something to you. It's not
Speaker 3: like you did anything wrong, but well it is. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be like, oh I like that, it makes me
Speaker 3: feel good.
Speaker 1: Well, it's how how does how does your spouse lean
Speaker 1: into it? Or how do they deflect it or how
Speaker 1: to they kind of.
Speaker 3: But Jenna's saying that she likes it because it makes
Speaker 3: her feel like, oh she's got like yeah, and I
Speaker 3: don't have that reaction. I'd be interested. Can anybody please
Speaker 3: shoot me a DM. I'd love to talk this through,
Speaker 3: like with another woman and see. Okay, well, let me
Speaker 3: ask if you see a random guy flirting with me,
Speaker 3: does that make you feel good?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, it definitely that. I don't get what
Speaker 1: Jenna is saying. It's not like, oh, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a hot wife, like I think you're beautiful. I don't
Speaker 1: need someone else to tell me you're right and so
Speaker 1: thank you. That's not something I get pleasure out of.
Speaker 2: That's kind of I certainly don't mind when but.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me to the point where i'd be
Speaker 1: like get in the car and like.
Speaker 2: Well, right, of course, how did you do?
Speaker 3: It's also kind of like maybe your definition of what
Speaker 3: flirting is like when you just said other men flirt
Speaker 3: with you all the time. I don't think about that,
Speaker 3: but some people have different definitions of like to me,
Speaker 3: talking and laughing isn't flirting. But some people, I don't know,
Speaker 3: what's your definition of flirting?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's But like, look, we go to these
Speaker 1: events and you'll be out on the dance floor because
Speaker 1: you are the life of the party and you'll have
Speaker 1: everybody dancing with you.
Speaker 2: Well, you got to get the party gone exactly.
Speaker 1: But is that you know what? I just I do
Speaker 1: look at that with admiration and it's like, that's my girl,
Speaker 1: you know, And I do take pleasure and just I
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 3: I certainly love that you're a social person who can
Speaker 3: chat with anyone. I love seeing you like command a
Speaker 3: room and have people talk to you. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: think I differ from Jenna on this. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: love watching it. And two, I agree with you of
Speaker 3: someone if that same person is like always, I call
Speaker 3: it testing the waters. Like you can kind of tell
Speaker 3: when somebody's like, you know me, seeing how far they
Speaker 3: can take it with you and I all love that.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we're both super jealous people.
Speaker 1: Then we deserve each other.
Speaker 2: That's perfect. I love you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that we always try to find that balance
Speaker 3: of supporting each other's careers while making sure that the
Speaker 3: other person has family time and gets that time in.
Speaker 3: And we didn't even really talk about our spring break enough.
Speaker 3: We should have chatted about it more. It was great,
Speaker 3: but I'm also glad that no alleged deep fake AI
Speaker 3: videos came out of us on spring Chat and.
Speaker 1: We will keep our eyes out looking for Kate at
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