WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Early Camp Standouts 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.360 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:20.919 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This this he's talking 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:33.480 Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, California. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:39.720 Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brauns, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:46.280 Mickey finally got his headset on. He didn't salute, did you, Mickey? Okay, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.920 I kind of gave me all right. It is day 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.960 number seven of Zeke watch here at Cowboys camp in Oxnard, California. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.600 Good lord, I've been here a week already. Yeah. I 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.960 came out here last Wednesday, team arrived. I've done Thursday, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.840 so you guys have been day so you reach a 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.880 week today and so much going on. It is a 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.440 day off of the players. But it's not a day 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:15.040 off for talking cowboys, right or anything else we do right, Nopeickly, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.000 just don't have to watch prasca practice and listen to 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.880 you don't get to watch practice to watch practice, right, 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.360 get to have a press conference, that's right. And uh 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.600 So it's a day off for the players and they'll 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.240 be back at it Thursday through Sunday. We'll have the 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.360 Blue White Scrimmage right here Dallas Cowboys dot com and 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.959 in Dallas Fort Worth on Texas twenty one formerly known 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.160 as t x A twenty one. Believe it's at six 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.240 o'clock Central time. I didn't know they changed the name. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.120 Yes they did. It's Texas twenty one. Yeah. Yeah, And 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.200 he's got a nice ring to it. I like that. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.559 It's it's fine. It's not catchy yet because we haven't 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.480 had a Blue White scrimmage on Texas anyone get forward 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.000 to that. So we will on Sunday and we'll all 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.720 be a part of that. We'll talk about that more 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.880 as the week goes on. But let's get into what's 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.799 happening here at Cowboys camp and right out of the shoot, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.600 I mentioned Zeke watch right off the top, but let's 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.480 start with Travis Frederick watch. How about it? Because c 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.800 dub on Twitter at CBS eleven Bill Jones has tweeted 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.640 me a couple of times already asking me please cover 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.280 how Travis looked in pads on Talking Cowboys. So right 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.320 off the top, how did Travis look in pads for 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.320 the first time yesterday? I think if you consider it 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.120 was the first time in a year, and not only 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.720 did he go through the Gillian Varius syndrome, but he 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.400 also had shoulder surgery and surgery to repair a numbilical hernia. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.680 I think it was okay, there you go. I think 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.400 that he showed that he has strength. In my estimation, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.920 he was about a step slow, a little tick slow 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.919 on reacting and just he didn't look comfortable out there. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.040 But that's it's been a year, right, Yeah, it's been 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.080 almost a year. But he's not he's not wrong, And 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.120 I appreciate. No, I'm not. I'm not arguing because the 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.880 view of what he Yeah, I'm sorry. I took that 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.520 as maybe you're like, oh no, he was explaining that 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.840 you got to qualify here, right, Yeah, I just you're 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.000 absolutely right. But I appreciate what Mickey's saying right now 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.440 because to me, that's what I saw the same thing. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.000 I saw a guy that was a tick slow, that 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.080 really didn't look totally comfortable with what's going on. There 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.200 were a lot of things happening fast in front of him, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:34.800 you know, and he was and he was like he 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.440 was trying to catch up to okay, kind of remember 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.200 how to do this. He even talked about it himself. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.280 May yeah, when I make that reach block I gotta 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.000 put that foot there, and I gotta cut this guy 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.800 off and stuff. So there's things he just naturally plays. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.000 There's probably some stuff a little bit of thinking going 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.080 on yesterday what he had to but I was glad 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.640 that he least showed the strength and power. Now it's 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.880 just a matter of getting in rhythm of everything. But hey, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.800 as he pointed out, it was just the next step, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.480 and then the next step is to you know, play 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.800 in a preseason game, and then the next step is 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.720 to play in a regular season game. So, uh, this 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.520 was just another landmark step for him on his way 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.280 to recover. Here's a reminder of just how long it's been. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.440 He had to get a new set of pads because 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.320 in the offseason workouts in the spring, he went to 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.120 get them and they were gone. They were nowhere to 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.560 be found. It's been a lot, I don't know, but 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.040 it just as a reminder of how long it's been. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.479 You know, August last year was the last time he 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.120 went through any type of full speed practice. So you 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.800 you factor that in because he did like some snapping 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.760 in the offseas OTA's Mini camp, but not anything uh 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.039 in team. And then you factor in that the speed 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.719 of the game. It's going to take him a little while. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.400 I wonder if those pads were from Wisconsin, you know, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.799 from his days of playing. You know, sometimes these guys 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.839 bring their pads with him and stuff. So yeah, I 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.640 mean his shoulder pads. If you look at him, though, 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.640 they're a little bit they're formed or a little bit 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.600 you know, they're a little bit narrower, they're not as 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.200 wide as in Bulky, So he's probably, uh, he's probably thinking, Okay, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.880 where are my old pats. You know. It's kind of 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.360 like an old hot love hockey goalie, whatever you want 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.480 to say. But yeah, I think again, Mickey was absolutely right, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.479 dead spot on about the evaluation about Travis Freddick, and 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.839 Rob is a correct as well. As it's been a 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.880 long time, he's gonna have to come up with some things, 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.400 he's going to feel better about himself. So yeah, it's 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.360 just the fact that he's out there. I think he's 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.600 just remarkable because considering, you know, we've all had to 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.880 learn about what that syndrome was, and it didn't sound 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.160 too promising. You know, guys, Oh, I've been through it. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.000 It took me two years through you know. I mean, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.520 guys have just never really bounced back from that, that 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.279 is as much. And the fact that he's out there 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.320 with with a with a bigger guy to his left 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.240 and an all pro to his right, I think is 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.640 a good thing for Yeah, and and and he said 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.359 he talked about there were a couple a couple of 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.400 emotional moments for him, at least a couple, uh, you know, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.839 going back nine months ago or whatever. And as when 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.560 he wondered if this day would ever become again for 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.159 him where he would be able to put on the 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.280 pads again, the fact that he could feel the ball 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.640 in his hand as he's snapping it instead there were 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.040 times last year with this when this, before this, he 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.039 knew what was going on this time last year. And 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.839 I thought it was really interesting too that he relied 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.919 on the scouts. The scouts are out here, the cowboy scouts, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.479 the college and pro guys. Those are the guys that 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.440 he went to. And when they were asking about his 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.560 level of play, it wasn't he knew something was wrong, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.800 but the scouts were coming up to him and saying, 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.159 are you okay? Is there you know, because there you 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.360 get so used to watching a guy snatch a three 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.159 techniquet at wide three and all of a sudden, seventy 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.440 two is there that heads in front, his butts around 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.599 and now the ball shooting off his backside. So you know, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.360 the scouts are going, is there's something you're feeling? Okay, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.440 you know, And that's where I think. But there was 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.480 times too. I remember talking to him in a one 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.960 oh five three event where he couldn't feel his feet, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.560 he couldn't feel his hands. He says, I'm snapping the 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.599 ball and I had no feeling in my hands while 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.400 he goes, I don't know if Dak was getting it 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.080 or not. I couldn't feel it. I couldn't feel the ball. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.080 That's why they thought it was a stinger r exactly. So, yeah, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.560 we're serious. And remember how many times sitting those one 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.720 on one drills he was on the ground as he 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.400 was getting run over it right, and Antoine would fight 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.720 with Antoine absolutely yeah. And speaking of one on one drills, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:26.080 I asked him about if he looks forward to getting 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.960 to that stage here and uh he said it was 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:35.800 an absolute no. Yeah, yeah, I think, but I hate 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.800 those and so we'll see where that comes. Uh he 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.840 did not do that yesterday, and we'll see where that 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.360 comes in his progress as they bring him along, um, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.800 and during these workouts. But as he pointed out, it's 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.120 not that often in a game or a center has 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.200 to go one on one right with yea with a player, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.040 and so he doesn't believe that drill is important as 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.040 important for as good at it, plays that leverage though 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.760 his hands inside and sitting. Yeah, yeah, and it's it's 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.400 my favorite thing to watch in practice. But he pointed out, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.640 you know, your body kind of gets torked in different 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.840 ways when you're just one on one with a guy, uh, 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.120 instead of you know, maybe passing a guy off, and 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.880 you know, right in the middle of playing somebody up. Yeah, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.800 picking somebody up. So you know, um, i'd love to 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.600 see him do it, But if it's not the best 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.280 thing for him to do, at least not full time, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.960 then yeah, that's that's okay. Well, what they're protecting him 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:33.080 from is the shoulder surgery, right, you asked that question too. Yeah, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.440 you're good, and and we're gonna see a little of 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.040 that as the week progresses with other guys that had 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.800 shoulder surgery to make sure they're not over overdoing it. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.400 You know, you were talking about the shoulder pads, and 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.560 he said, I bet the trainers are happy because those 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.560 things stunk. Yeah, you think somebody came through on a 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.960 tour and said, oh, shoulder pads, let's take them. I 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.800 don't know. Maybe the trainers just said, you know, we're 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.160 not sure what happened to him and pitched him start fresh. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.920 It might it might be with Jason Witten's old helmet somewhere. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.000 I think Jason Witten had to get a new helmet 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.880 and he I don't think he was too happy about 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:17.560 that either. All Right, moving on to what's the latest 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.640 that we know of on the Zeke Watch the Zeke front. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.120 It was it was funny last night after the walkthrough. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.320 Of course, they had the morning practice yesterday, walked through 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.520 in the evening, and so Jason Witton stopped and talked 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.040 to the media, and uh, I think it was Mike 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:37.240 Doucey Channel four said, so, could have been any other 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.200 place besides Cabo, something about the optics. Yeah, but Witton 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.199 was funny talking about his ill fated trip, infamous trip 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.679 to Cabo the week before a playoff game. But as 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.160 he walked away that that uh that he was hoping 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.679 people had forgotten about but of course we will never forget. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.319 See that's the thing like if Zeke went to the Bahamas, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.079 I don't think he would have the same like pickst it, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.800 just go to Cancoon instead. Yeah, there's something about that 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:10.000 place to go go to Frisco Cabo. Do you guys 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.440 realize how I did I think point this out yesterday? 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.360 How hot it is this time of year? And you 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.679 did point that out? Yes, yes, I mean it's not 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.400 a vaga. And Travis Frederick said he's been to that 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.880 place where Zeke has work, is working out in Cabo, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.440 and he's got no problem with Zeke being at that 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.520 place as long as he stays out of the office. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.600 Have you ever been there? I've not been there. It's 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.400 on the beach. Yeah. The margaritas are they should put 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:43.200 a barometer on him. Two maybe one, okay two maybe 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.640 the third one year in trouble. I'm drawing. I got drawn. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.320 I got drawn off sides here by Mickey. Is it 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.439 like the Pat O'Brien's thing where you go in there? 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:57.720 But they're good, stupid right, stupid sweet? These these margharita 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.360 is come in a big goblet and they are strong. Yeah, 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.600 you had a note about Zeke though, and as far 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.080 as the contract goes or oh no, And I just 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.600 heard everybody's starting to say nationally, oh that things are 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.280 moving along fast, and it's like, Okay, I didn't hear 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.160 that from anybody around here. Yeah, as if last night 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.080 I was kind of hearing the same thing that it 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.520 was news to them. But we'll see. I mean, they don't. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.360 This team is not going to negotiate in the press, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.600 so any bits of information you get would probably have 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.599 to come from their side of the coin. But I 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.640 do know, like Mickey just said, though, some higher ups 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.240 are saying that that's kind of news to them. And 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.400 by the way, on the Alfred Morris thing, uh, kind 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.679 of was told that this has been in the works 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.000 for a while, not just oh Zeke's not here, we 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.679 better go get Alfred Morris. So when Jerry answered your 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.280 question about we've got a plan going forward, this was 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.240 the plan Alfred Morris. Yeah, the plan he got expedited 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.440 because the Saints had interest. Now they had to go 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.520 ahead and do it. Yes, that's part of that was 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.480 a factor for sure. Well, I think probably from Morris's side, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.960 his agent expedited things by getting a workout with the Saints. Well, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.560 I can I tell you what happened then. But he 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.880 had already planned to go to New Orleans. They had 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.120 been in talked with him and he said, I told 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.320 him I was gonna come. I'm gonna go, but I'm 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:29.840 signing with you. Yeah, that's what I was told a word. Yeah. Yeah. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.240 And he didn't have to move. Yeah, he lived. He said, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.600 he lives outside of Debt, so his family's there. So 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.040 he thought this was the smartest thing, not to pick 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.679 up his family and go somewhere else. You just had 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.120 a little girl, yeah, um, six weeks old. He's all 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.160 set up in Dallas. He said. It's not really you know, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.760 not really about me anymore. Of it's for a comfort level. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.240 It's just staying in Dallas. Here's the other big thing 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.480 for a guy like Alfred Morris. What this does for 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.360 him getting into camp early in camp is he now 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.800 goes through camp and when it comes cut down time, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.200 Let's say Zeke comes back. In Alfred Morris's situation, other 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.320 teams will know that he's ready to go when they 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.040 got injuries or whatever. If he signs laid in camp 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.400 or or hasn't signed with anybody, then people have to 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.280 bring him in for a while acount whatever. I mean. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.280 Even after practice yesterday, they're running him on the side 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.840 over here, getting him in shape. Actually that was his 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:29.320 conditioning test. Okay, all right, they chased us off the field. Well, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.480 it's conditioning tests. But that is all the process of 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.480 him being show somebody else you're good. And maybe the 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.840 best thing is that they signed him for the veteran exception, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.440 so all he got was a ninety thousand dollars signing 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.040 bonus and he counts just seven hundred and thirty five 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.840 thousand against the cap. When all these players, all the 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.240 guys out on the street right now, it benefits them 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.520 getting in camp now because that way when the cutdowns 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.560 come in this league, people will will number one, they 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.319 can watch him and play in preseason games or whatever, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.800 and then they were ready to pick him up when 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.120 they have knees because there, as we all know, there 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.839 are needs every single day in this league. All right, No, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.920 it's your point, he said, there's no assurances. Team has 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.480 given him no assurances of making this team. But at 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.360 least he's got it. He's on tape and he's thirty 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.480 years old, but he's on tape and if he has 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.480 a solid preseason, if it doesn't work out here, he 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.080 gets picked up somebody Else's right point, I mean ninety 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.160 thousand that you gotta eat that big deal, right all right? 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:32.040 Big contracts signed today in New Orleans, the Saints have 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.280 signed their wide receiver Michael Thomas. It's reported to be 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.960 a five year, one hundred million dollars deal. Then some 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.160 other reports came out that it doesn't average twenty million 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:46.000 a year. There are some big time of bonuses incentives 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.760 at the end of the contract that would get it 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.040 up to twenty million dollars. It's more like a nineteen 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.600 point two five million dollars year contract, but still the 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.160 largest for a wide receiver in NFL history. The key 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.080 is sixty one million sixty one guarantee. Now how long 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.600 the guarantee is over is significant. And then the other 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.120 thing you have to factor in. It's a five year extension. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.200 So his base salary for this year was like one 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.920 point one million. He was a second round pick, so 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:16.240 that so that means six years, one hundred and one 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.920 million dollar deal, right, Yeah, And so we got to 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.720 see how it's kind of like on the Carson Wentz 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.360 Carson Wentz's was an extension right averages thirty two millions. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.480 But if you if you encountered his base salaries for 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.880 when he wasn't being extended, then it was it basically 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.800 averaged out to about twenty five twenty seven million a year. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.440 And of course, how that affects the Cowboys is does 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.720 that prompt movement on the Amari Cooper contract. It seems 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.680 like to me talk to some folks, it had like 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.480 you said, it had fluff in it, that that contract 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.760 had some fluff. So, you know, with that being said, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.520 then they have to find a way to kind of 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.000 you know, get that squared up. Uh, you know, if 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.280 that's the case, that's the agent number. Yeah, the agents 0:15:58.320 --> 0:15:59.800 are always going to put that out. I heard the 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.000 same thing that you know, Well, just you've got to 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.240 be careful of that, you know, because it always comes 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.760 down to what you're guaranteed. So, but the point is 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.280 all these big contracts, to Rob's way, all these big 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.960 contracts are always going to be that way. All these 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.040 all those contracts are going to have something that you 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.680 look at it at the end of the day to Okay, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.760 what what extra things did they put in? There's no 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.640 big contracts that don't have that. It was important for 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.760 the agent the player to get it announced, says one 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.160 hundred million dollars deal. Yeah, and I got the highest. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.280 They're trying to get over twenty million dollars. They wanted 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.560 to be the twenty you know. It's like, it's like 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.280 the whole thing with Dak. I mean, to Dak's camp, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.280 it's important for him to be a thirty million dollar quarterback. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.640 That's where that's at with him. It's not that, you know, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.440 it's not that. Oh, at the end of the day, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.000 it's the number, says thirty million dollars, but it might 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.880 come in under that, you know that. But that's that's 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.840 the it's the it's the it's the optics of it 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.320 is what it is. And Cooper, he's on the books 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.680 for fourteen million this year. So you got a figure 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:03.120 the negotiations start it fourteen million a year at least, right, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.800 that's that's the bottom or that's the basement or what's 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.040 the franchise tag going to be next year? Yeah, and 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.000 so for him it would be one hundred and twenty 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.360 percent of fourteen million if the franchise tag isn't more 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.040 than that. And I think, oh my math real quick 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.840 on twenty percent more than fourteen. I mean, that's what 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.840 we talked about with the Marcus Steele. You know, that 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.639 gets you to sixteen something. So he's gonna get paid somewhere. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.639 I wouldn't imagine it's going to average somewhere close to 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.560 eighteen million. But aside from all those contract numbers, the 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.320 fact that Michael Thomas's deal is done now now you 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.960 can see where the market is for wide receivers in 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.800 this league. I want to get there before Julio Jones 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.640 gets sent and and so do you think that this 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.879 will prompt now that the Cowboys will get something done 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.439 with Mari Cooper before the season, because now the agent 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.000 has something to work off of, because the important thing 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.760 is getting something done with Cooper. As you pointed out, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.679 with a fourteen million dollar capit, then you reduce that 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.639 and you got more money to play with for the 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.840 other tea exactly. I think it's encouraging that his agent 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.800 was out here this week too, a couple of days ago. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.320 So yeah, I think so. Although Jerry was asked specifically 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.280 about that contract in New Orleans that just got done 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.560 a couple of days ago, and we're not worried about. See, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.000 that's what I think. That's what you have to look 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:24.600 at it too. I think the Cowboys or Mickey's talked about, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.120 Rob's talked about, everybody's talked about it. They had their 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.760 own issues that they have to go buy the thing 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.919 with the thing with this Thomas contract. Yeah, it's something 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.239 that that now that Adam and Todd and Steven can 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.760 look at and say, okay, that's what they did. It 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.000 gives you an idea because they break down how the 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.600 contracts structured. So once these cap guys go through it, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.400 they could say, okay, well this is something we could 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.159 think about, or we would never do this. You know, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.800 see to me, who which team? Okay, which team? If 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.919 you looked at both teams are very very talented, but 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.920 which team has the most guys that they have to sign? 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.760 You know, the best the best players. See so if 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.800 you say, okay, we're looking at the Saints, so we're 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.399 looking at the Buccaneers, or we're looking at the Cults 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.639 or whatever, this team has more players that you feel 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.919 like have to have bigger numbers and contracts. There's some 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.120 teams that could get away with signing guys that you're going, 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.679 uh that, you know, wow, that's a huge contract. But 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.879 but it would it would wreck this team, like Mickey 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.520 was talking about, it would because this team has younger players. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.879 The Saints are a good team. Off the top of 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.560 your head, who are the highest paid Saints players If 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.320 you were just guessing Drew Drew Brees at twenty five million, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.680 I think Michael Thomas and then they got the defensive 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.560 end there cam Jordan. Yeah that Camaro is still on 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.680 his right, what is he? This is his third year? 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.920 I think camar is the third year. Yeah. See, it's 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.560 ub saying though, if you the Saints have an offensive 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.000 line that's got some money to it, you know they're 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.440 putting much like the similar to the Cowboys. I don't 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.400 think they're to the level of what the Cowboys are 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.760 and they s aren't paying another wide receiver because Thomas 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.000 had what one hundred and twenty catches and the next 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.920 wide receiver had twenty, right seriously? Yeah. See that's that's 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.760 where I think that Mickey's point is very valid, as 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.080 that you're sitting there and you're looking at a team 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.280 and you're thinking, okay, yeah, that makes sense to us. Yeah, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.680 we'd love to sign our guy, but we've also got 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.920 five other guys. They got to think about Simon vander 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.399 esh sometimes soon. I'm just going, yeah, going down the 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.520 list here, Jalen Smith is restricted next year. Byron Jones 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.720 is in the last year of his deal. About Xavier 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.320 Woods maybe one day or something like Xavier Woods. You've 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.360 got a lot of guys in the secondary who were 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.080 up after this season. Jeff Heath, Anthony Brown Brown, Yeah, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.640 good players. Collins didn't even mention Lyle Collins, Collins, Malie Collins. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.359 That's what I'm saying. You're you're You've got a team 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.560 you can't have. And I'm we're doing this documentary on 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.600 Barry Switzer for Deep Blue. That's coming out right a 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:57.040