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Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, California.
Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brauns, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones.
Speaker 1: Mickey finally got his headset on. He didn't salute, did you, Mickey? Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of gave me all right. It is day
Speaker 1: number seven of Zeke watch here at Cowboys camp in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: Good lord, I've been here a week already. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: came out here last Wednesday, team arrived. I've done Thursday,
Speaker 1: so you guys have been day so you reach a
Speaker 1: week today and so much going on. It is a
Speaker 1: day off of the players. But it's not a day
Speaker 1: off for talking cowboys, right or anything else we do right, Nopeickly,
Speaker 1: just don't have to watch prasca practice and listen to
Speaker 1: you don't get to watch practice to watch practice, right,
Speaker 1: get to have a press conference, that's right. And uh
Speaker 1: So it's a day off for the players and they'll
Speaker 1: be back at it Thursday through Sunday. We'll have the
Speaker 1: Blue White Scrimmage right here Dallas Cowboys dot com and
Speaker 1: in Dallas Fort Worth on Texas twenty one formerly known
Speaker 1: as t x A twenty one. Believe it's at six
Speaker 1: o'clock Central time. I didn't know they changed the name.
Speaker 1: Yes they did. It's Texas twenty one. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: he's got a nice ring to it. I like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's fine. It's not catchy yet because we haven't
Speaker 1: had a Blue White scrimmage on Texas anyone get forward
Speaker 1: to that. So we will on Sunday and we'll all
Speaker 1: be a part of that. We'll talk about that more
Speaker 1: as the week goes on. But let's get into what's
Speaker 1: happening here at Cowboys camp and right out of the shoot,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Zeke watch right off the top, but let's
Speaker 1: start with Travis Frederick watch. How about it? Because c
Speaker 1: dub on Twitter at CBS eleven Bill Jones has tweeted
Speaker 1: me a couple of times already asking me please cover
Speaker 1: how Travis looked in pads on Talking Cowboys. So right
Speaker 1: off the top, how did Travis look in pads for
Speaker 1: the first time yesterday? I think if you consider it
Speaker 1: was the first time in a year, and not only
Speaker 1: did he go through the Gillian Varius syndrome, but he
Speaker 1: also had shoulder surgery and surgery to repair a numbilical hernia.
Speaker 1: I think it was okay, there you go. I think
Speaker 1: that he showed that he has strength. In my estimation,
Speaker 1: he was about a step slow, a little tick slow
Speaker 1: on reacting and just he didn't look comfortable out there.
Speaker 1: But that's it's been a year, right, Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: almost a year. But he's not he's not wrong, And
Speaker 1: I appreciate. No, I'm not. I'm not arguing because the
Speaker 1: view of what he Yeah, I'm sorry. I took that
Speaker 1: as maybe you're like, oh no, he was explaining that
Speaker 1: you got to qualify here, right, Yeah, I just you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. But I appreciate what Mickey's saying right now
Speaker 1: because to me, that's what I saw the same thing.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that was a tick slow, that
Speaker 1: really didn't look totally comfortable with what's going on. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of things happening fast in front of him,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was and he was like he
Speaker 1: was trying to catch up to okay, kind of remember
Speaker 1: how to do this. He even talked about it himself.
Speaker 1: May yeah, when I make that reach block I gotta
Speaker 1: put that foot there, and I gotta cut this guy
Speaker 1: off and stuff. So there's things he just naturally plays.
Speaker 1: There's probably some stuff a little bit of thinking going
Speaker 1: on yesterday what he had to but I was glad
Speaker 1: that he least showed the strength and power. Now it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of getting in rhythm of everything. But hey,
Speaker 1: as he pointed out, it was just the next step,
Speaker 1: and then the next step is to you know, play
Speaker 1: in a preseason game, and then the next step is
Speaker 1: to play in a regular season game. So, uh, this
Speaker 1: was just another landmark step for him on his way
Speaker 1: to recover. Here's a reminder of just how long it's been.
Speaker 1: He had to get a new set of pads because
Speaker 1: in the offseason workouts in the spring, he went to
Speaker 1: get them and they were gone. They were nowhere to
Speaker 1: be found. It's been a lot, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it just as a reminder of how long it's been.
Speaker 1: You know, August last year was the last time he
Speaker 1: went through any type of full speed practice. So you
Speaker 1: you factor that in because he did like some snapping
Speaker 1: in the offseas OTA's Mini camp, but not anything uh
Speaker 1: in team. And then you factor in that the speed
Speaker 1: of the game. It's going to take him a little while.
Speaker 1: I wonder if those pads were from Wisconsin, you know,
Speaker 1: from his days of playing. You know, sometimes these guys
Speaker 1: bring their pads with him and stuff. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean his shoulder pads. If you look at him, though,
Speaker 1: they're a little bit they're formed or a little bit
Speaker 1: you know, they're a little bit narrower, they're not as
Speaker 1: wide as in Bulky, So he's probably, uh, he's probably thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: where are my old pats. You know. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like an old hot love hockey goalie, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say. But yeah, I think again, Mickey was absolutely right,
Speaker 1: dead spot on about the evaluation about Travis Freddick, and
Speaker 1: Rob is a correct as well. As it's been a
Speaker 1: long time, he's gonna have to come up with some things,
Speaker 1: he's going to feel better about himself. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just the fact that he's out there. I think he's
Speaker 1: just remarkable because considering, you know, we've all had to
Speaker 1: learn about what that syndrome was, and it didn't sound
Speaker 1: too promising. You know, guys, Oh, I've been through it.
Speaker 1: It took me two years through you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: guys have just never really bounced back from that, that
Speaker 1: is as much. And the fact that he's out there
Speaker 1: with with a with a bigger guy to his left
Speaker 1: and an all pro to his right, I think is
Speaker 1: a good thing for Yeah, and and and he said
Speaker 1: he talked about there were a couple a couple of
Speaker 1: emotional moments for him, at least a couple, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: going back nine months ago or whatever. And as when
Speaker 1: he wondered if this day would ever become again for
Speaker 1: him where he would be able to put on the
Speaker 1: pads again, the fact that he could feel the ball
Speaker 1: in his hand as he's snapping it instead there were
Speaker 1: times last year with this when this, before this, he
Speaker 1: knew what was going on this time last year. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting too that he relied
Speaker 1: on the scouts. The scouts are out here, the cowboy scouts,
Speaker 1: the college and pro guys. Those are the guys that
Speaker 1: he went to. And when they were asking about his
Speaker 1: level of play, it wasn't he knew something was wrong,
Speaker 1: but the scouts were coming up to him and saying,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Is there you know, because there you
Speaker 1: get so used to watching a guy snatch a three
Speaker 1: techniquet at wide three and all of a sudden, seventy
Speaker 1: two is there that heads in front, his butts around
Speaker 1: and now the ball shooting off his backside. So you know,
Speaker 1: the scouts are going, is there's something you're feeling? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where I think. But there was
Speaker 1: times too. I remember talking to him in a one
Speaker 1: oh five three event where he couldn't feel his feet,
Speaker 1: he couldn't feel his hands. He says, I'm snapping the
Speaker 1: ball and I had no feeling in my hands while
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know if Dak was getting it
Speaker 1: or not. I couldn't feel it. I couldn't feel the ball.
Speaker 1: That's why they thought it was a stinger r exactly. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're serious. And remember how many times sitting those one
Speaker 1: on one drills he was on the ground as he
Speaker 1: was getting run over it right, and Antoine would fight
Speaker 1: with Antoine absolutely yeah. And speaking of one on one drills,
Speaker 1: I asked him about if he looks forward to getting
Speaker 1: to that stage here and uh he said it was
Speaker 1: an absolute no. Yeah, yeah, I think, but I hate
Speaker 1: those and so we'll see where that comes. Uh he
Speaker 1: did not do that yesterday, and we'll see where that
Speaker 1: comes in his progress as they bring him along, um,
Speaker 1: and during these workouts. But as he pointed out, it's
Speaker 1: not that often in a game or a center has
Speaker 1: to go one on one right with yea with a player,
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't believe that drill is important as
Speaker 1: important for as good at it, plays that leverage though
Speaker 1: his hands inside and sitting. Yeah, yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing to watch in practice. But he pointed out,
Speaker 1: you know, your body kind of gets torked in different
Speaker 1: ways when you're just one on one with a guy, uh,
Speaker 1: instead of you know, maybe passing a guy off, and
Speaker 1: you know, right in the middle of playing somebody up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: picking somebody up. So you know, um, i'd love to
Speaker 1: see him do it, But if it's not the best
Speaker 1: thing for him to do, at least not full time,
Speaker 1: then yeah, that's that's okay. Well, what they're protecting him
Speaker 1: from is the shoulder surgery, right, you asked that question too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good, and and we're gonna see a little of
Speaker 1: that as the week progresses with other guys that had
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery to make sure they're not over overdoing it.
Speaker 1: You know, you were talking about the shoulder pads, and
Speaker 1: he said, I bet the trainers are happy because those
Speaker 1: things stunk. Yeah, you think somebody came through on a
Speaker 1: tour and said, oh, shoulder pads, let's take them. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the trainers just said, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not sure what happened to him and pitched him start fresh.
Speaker 1: It might it might be with Jason Witten's old helmet somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think Jason Witten had to get a new helmet
Speaker 1: and he I don't think he was too happy about
Speaker 1: that either. All Right, moving on to what's the latest
Speaker 1: that we know of on the Zeke Watch the Zeke front.
Speaker 1: It was it was funny last night after the walkthrough.
Speaker 1: Of course, they had the morning practice yesterday, walked through
Speaker 1: in the evening, and so Jason Witton stopped and talked
Speaker 1: to the media, and uh, I think it was Mike
Speaker 1: Doucey Channel four said, so, could have been any other
Speaker 1: place besides Cabo, something about the optics. Yeah, but Witton
Speaker 1: was funny talking about his ill fated trip, infamous trip
Speaker 1: to Cabo the week before a playoff game. But as
Speaker 1: he walked away that that uh that he was hoping
Speaker 1: people had forgotten about but of course we will never forget.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing like if Zeke went to the Bahamas,
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have the same like pickst it,
Speaker 1: just go to Cancoon instead. Yeah, there's something about that
Speaker 1: place to go go to Frisco Cabo. Do you guys
Speaker 1: realize how I did I think point this out yesterday?
Speaker 1: How hot it is this time of year? And you
Speaker 1: did point that out? Yes, yes, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: a vaga. And Travis Frederick said he's been to that
Speaker 1: place where Zeke has work, is working out in Cabo,
Speaker 1: and he's got no problem with Zeke being at that
Speaker 1: place as long as he stays out of the office. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? I've not been there. It's
Speaker 1: on the beach. Yeah. The margaritas are they should put
Speaker 1: a barometer on him. Two maybe one, okay two maybe
Speaker 1: the third one year in trouble. I'm drawing. I got drawn.
Speaker 1: I got drawn off sides here by Mickey. Is it
Speaker 1: like the Pat O'Brien's thing where you go in there?
Speaker 1: But they're good, stupid right, stupid sweet? These these margharita
Speaker 1: is come in a big goblet and they are strong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a note about Zeke though, and as far
Speaker 1: as the contract goes or oh no, And I just
Speaker 1: heard everybody's starting to say nationally, oh that things are
Speaker 1: moving along fast, and it's like, Okay, I didn't hear
Speaker 1: that from anybody around here. Yeah, as if last night
Speaker 1: I was kind of hearing the same thing that it
Speaker 1: was news to them. But we'll see. I mean, they don't.
Speaker 1: This team is not going to negotiate in the press,
Speaker 1: so any bits of information you get would probably have
Speaker 1: to come from their side of the coin. But I
Speaker 1: do know, like Mickey just said, though, some higher ups
Speaker 1: are saying that that's kind of news to them. And
Speaker 1: by the way, on the Alfred Morris thing, uh, kind
Speaker 1: of was told that this has been in the works
Speaker 1: for a while, not just oh Zeke's not here, we
Speaker 1: better go get Alfred Morris. So when Jerry answered your
Speaker 1: question about we've got a plan going forward, this was
Speaker 1: the plan Alfred Morris. Yeah, the plan he got expedited
Speaker 1: because the Saints had interest. Now they had to go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it. Yes, that's part of that was
Speaker 1: a factor for sure. Well, I think probably from Morris's side,
Speaker 1: his agent expedited things by getting a workout with the Saints. Well,
Speaker 1: I can I tell you what happened then. But he
Speaker 1: had already planned to go to New Orleans. They had
Speaker 1: been in talked with him and he said, I told
Speaker 1: him I was gonna come. I'm gonna go, but I'm
Speaker 1: signing with you. Yeah, that's what I was told a word. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he didn't have to move. Yeah, he lived. He said,
Speaker 1: he lives outside of Debt, so his family's there. So
Speaker 1: he thought this was the smartest thing, not to pick
Speaker 1: up his family and go somewhere else. You just had
Speaker 1: a little girl, yeah, um, six weeks old. He's all
Speaker 1: set up in Dallas. He said. It's not really you know,
Speaker 1: not really about me anymore. Of it's for a comfort level.
Speaker 1: It's just staying in Dallas. Here's the other big thing
Speaker 1: for a guy like Alfred Morris. What this does for
Speaker 1: him getting into camp early in camp is he now
Speaker 1: goes through camp and when it comes cut down time,
Speaker 1: Let's say Zeke comes back. In Alfred Morris's situation, other
Speaker 1: teams will know that he's ready to go when they
Speaker 1: got injuries or whatever. If he signs laid in camp
Speaker 1: or or hasn't signed with anybody, then people have to
Speaker 1: bring him in for a while acount whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: Even after practice yesterday, they're running him on the side
Speaker 1: over here, getting him in shape. Actually that was his
Speaker 1: conditioning test. Okay, all right, they chased us off the field. Well,
Speaker 1: it's conditioning tests. But that is all the process of
Speaker 1: him being show somebody else you're good. And maybe the
Speaker 1: best thing is that they signed him for the veteran exception,
Speaker 1: so all he got was a ninety thousand dollars signing
Speaker 1: bonus and he counts just seven hundred and thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand against the cap. When all these players, all the
Speaker 1: guys out on the street right now, it benefits them
Speaker 1: getting in camp now because that way when the cutdowns
Speaker 1: come in this league, people will will number one, they
Speaker 1: can watch him and play in preseason games or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then they were ready to pick him up when
Speaker 1: they have knees because there, as we all know, there
Speaker 1: are needs every single day in this league. All right, No,
Speaker 1: it's your point, he said, there's no assurances. Team has
Speaker 1: given him no assurances of making this team. But at
Speaker 1: least he's got it. He's on tape and he's thirty
Speaker 1: years old, but he's on tape and if he has
Speaker 1: a solid preseason, if it doesn't work out here, he
Speaker 1: gets picked up somebody Else's right point, I mean ninety
Speaker 1: thousand that you gotta eat that big deal, right all right?
Speaker 1: Big contracts signed today in New Orleans, the Saints have
Speaker 1: signed their wide receiver Michael Thomas. It's reported to be
Speaker 1: a five year, one hundred million dollars deal. Then some
Speaker 1: other reports came out that it doesn't average twenty million
Speaker 1: a year. There are some big time of bonuses incentives
Speaker 1: at the end of the contract that would get it
Speaker 1: up to twenty million dollars. It's more like a nineteen
Speaker 1: point two five million dollars year contract, but still the
Speaker 1: largest for a wide receiver in NFL history. The key
Speaker 1: is sixty one million sixty one guarantee. Now how long
Speaker 1: the guarantee is over is significant. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing you have to factor in. It's a five year extension.
Speaker 1: So his base salary for this year was like one
Speaker 1: point one million. He was a second round pick, so
Speaker 1: that so that means six years, one hundred and one
Speaker 1: million dollar deal, right, Yeah, And so we got to
Speaker 1: see how it's kind of like on the Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's was an extension right averages thirty two millions.
Speaker 1: But if you if you encountered his base salaries for
Speaker 1: when he wasn't being extended, then it was it basically
Speaker 1: averaged out to about twenty five twenty seven million a year.
Speaker 1: And of course, how that affects the Cowboys is does
Speaker 1: that prompt movement on the Amari Cooper contract. It seems
Speaker 1: like to me talk to some folks, it had like
Speaker 1: you said, it had fluff in it, that that contract
Speaker 1: had some fluff. So, you know, with that being said,
Speaker 1: then they have to find a way to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, get that squared up. Uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, that's the agent number. Yeah, the agents
Speaker 1: are always going to put that out. I heard the
Speaker 1: same thing that you know, Well, just you've got to
Speaker 1: be careful of that, you know, because it always comes
Speaker 1: down to what you're guaranteed. So, but the point is
Speaker 1: all these big contracts, to Rob's way, all these big
Speaker 1: contracts are always going to be that way. All these
Speaker 1: all those contracts are going to have something that you
Speaker 1: look at it at the end of the day to Okay,
Speaker 1: what what extra things did they put in? There's no
Speaker 1: big contracts that don't have that. It was important for
Speaker 1: the agent the player to get it announced, says one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars deal. Yeah, and I got the highest.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get over twenty million dollars. They wanted
Speaker 1: to be the twenty you know. It's like, it's like
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Dak. I mean, to Dak's camp,
Speaker 1: it's important for him to be a thirty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's where that's at with him. It's not that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not that. Oh, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's the number, says thirty million dollars, but it might
Speaker 1: come in under that, you know that. But that's that's
Speaker 1: the it's the it's the it's the optics of it
Speaker 1: is what it is. And Cooper, he's on the books
Speaker 1: for fourteen million this year. So you got a figure
Speaker 1: the negotiations start it fourteen million a year at least, right,
Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom or that's the basement or what's
Speaker 1: the franchise tag going to be next year? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so for him it would be one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: percent of fourteen million if the franchise tag isn't more
Speaker 1: than that. And I think, oh my math real quick
Speaker 1: on twenty percent more than fourteen. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: we talked about with the Marcus Steele. You know, that
Speaker 1: gets you to sixteen something. So he's gonna get paid somewhere.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't imagine it's going to average somewhere close to
Speaker 1: eighteen million. But aside from all those contract numbers, the
Speaker 1: fact that Michael Thomas's deal is done now now you
Speaker 1: can see where the market is for wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this league. I want to get there before Julio Jones
Speaker 1: gets sent and and so do you think that this
Speaker 1: will prompt now that the Cowboys will get something done
Speaker 1: with Mari Cooper before the season, because now the agent
Speaker 1: has something to work off of, because the important thing
Speaker 1: is getting something done with Cooper. As you pointed out,
Speaker 1: with a fourteen million dollar capit, then you reduce that
Speaker 1: and you got more money to play with for the
Speaker 1: other tea exactly. I think it's encouraging that his agent
Speaker 1: was out here this week too, a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think so. Although Jerry was asked specifically
Speaker 1: about that contract in New Orleans that just got done
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and we're not worried about. See,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's what you have to look
Speaker 1: at it too. I think the Cowboys or Mickey's talked about,
Speaker 1: Rob's talked about, everybody's talked about it. They had their
Speaker 1: own issues that they have to go buy the thing
Speaker 1: with the thing with this Thomas contract. Yeah, it's something
Speaker 1: that that now that Adam and Todd and Steven can
Speaker 1: look at and say, okay, that's what they did. It
Speaker 1: gives you an idea because they break down how the
Speaker 1: contracts structured. So once these cap guys go through it,
Speaker 1: they could say, okay, well this is something we could
Speaker 1: think about, or we would never do this. You know,
Speaker 1: see to me, who which team? Okay, which team? If
Speaker 1: you looked at both teams are very very talented, but
Speaker 1: which team has the most guys that they have to sign?
Speaker 1: You know, the best the best players. See so if
Speaker 1: you say, okay, we're looking at the Saints, so we're
Speaker 1: looking at the Buccaneers, or we're looking at the Cults
Speaker 1: or whatever, this team has more players that you feel
Speaker 1: like have to have bigger numbers and contracts. There's some
Speaker 1: teams that could get away with signing guys that you're going,
Speaker 1: uh that, you know, wow, that's a huge contract. But
Speaker 1: but it would it would wreck this team, like Mickey
Speaker 1: was talking about, it would because this team has younger players.
Speaker 1: The Saints are a good team. Off the top of
Speaker 1: your head, who are the highest paid Saints players If
Speaker 1: you were just guessing Drew Drew Brees at twenty five million,
Speaker 1: I think Michael Thomas and then they got the defensive
Speaker 1: end there cam Jordan. Yeah that Camaro is still on
Speaker 1: his right, what is he? This is his third year?
Speaker 1: I think camar is the third year. Yeah. See, it's
Speaker 1: ub saying though, if you the Saints have an offensive
Speaker 1: line that's got some money to it, you know they're
Speaker 1: putting much like the similar to the Cowboys. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're to the level of what the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: and they s aren't paying another wide receiver because Thomas
Speaker 1: had what one hundred and twenty catches and the next
Speaker 1: wide receiver had twenty, right seriously? Yeah. See that's that's
Speaker 1: where I think that Mickey's point is very valid, as
Speaker 1: that you're sitting there and you're looking at a team
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, okay, yeah, that makes sense to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd love to sign our guy, but we've also got
Speaker 1: five other guys. They got to think about Simon vander
Speaker 1: esh sometimes soon. I'm just going, yeah, going down the
Speaker 1: list here, Jalen Smith is restricted next year. Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is in the last year of his deal. About Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods maybe one day or something like Xavier Woods. You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys in the secondary who were
Speaker 1: up after this season. Jeff Heath, Anthony Brown Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good players. Collins didn't even mention Lyle Collins, Collins, Malie Collins.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You're you're You've got a team
Speaker 1: you can't have. And I'm we're doing this documentary on
Speaker 1: Barry Switzer for Deep Blue. That's coming out right a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And y'all were around those late nineties.
Speaker 1: Part of the issue was the start of free agency.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they kept the top guys, but you gotta
Speaker 1: have fifty three guys to win a Super Bowl. Rob
Speaker 1: I lived it. You guys covered it. Yeah, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys covered it. I lived it. And trust me, the
Speaker 1: the salary that when when the salary cap when you're
Speaker 1: paying it to Emmett and to Michael and to Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman and to Darren Woodson. Those were the guys were
Speaker 1: And then we did a horse sue job of trying
Speaker 1: to find players that could subble. We couldn't find MALIEK. Collins.
Speaker 1: We could We thought Willie Blade was MALIEK. Collins. Well
Speaker 1: you get into the two thousand, like two exactly. We
Speaker 1: we thought that guys. Uh, you know, we thought Derek
Speaker 1: Ross was uh Byron Jones. You know, we didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't have guys. Yeah, exactly, Mickey, exactly. Shame on us
Speaker 1: for for not but that's what happens. But the curses
Speaker 1: that you draft players and then and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's it's a good curse to have, but
Speaker 1: then you have to pay those guys. Go back, go
Speaker 1: back and look at the number of free agents they
Speaker 1: lost in that ninety five season. Between ninety four ninety five,
Speaker 1: I bet they lost about five or six stars, including
Speaker 1: Ken Norton, Mark Stepnoski. They lost a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: and it it was pretty significant Jones Jones, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the depth on that defensive line. Russell Maryland went to
Speaker 1: left and then the next year Larry Brown left after
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl MVP. So yeah, the free agency kind of,
Speaker 1: we've got to we're gonna take a break. By the way,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees cap hit for the Saints is twenty two
Speaker 1: point seven billion dollars, and the quarterback here in Dallas
Speaker 1: here in the next few years, they're going up to
Speaker 1: a thirty million dollars cap for this quarterback year. There's
Speaker 1: that shows a difference between teams and when you've got
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback who's already made his money in this
Speaker 1: league as it compared to young quarterbacks. All right, should
Speaker 1: we be concerned about Sean Lee when we come back here?
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Speaker 1: Docing Cowboys continues on a Wednesday here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: Yes we are at the corner of Vineyard in Ventura
Speaker 1: and Oxtart, California. Mickey, you have big plans on your
Speaker 1: day off today. Yeah, I'm gonna tape two TV things.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do your work cast, and I gotta do
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Speaker 1: pad on my back turned thirty eight month ago and
Speaker 1: now I'm now I'm thirty eight. Yeah, and just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it was like eight. It sounds like it
Speaker 1: was just yesterday. You were at the kiddie the Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: kids table with the crayons, reading emails. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: a while. It's been a while, been fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: What did it Talking Cowboys start? Two thousand year Remember
Speaker 1: it was on the Cowboys Channel TV. It was a
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Speaker 1: working and I would watch it and you guys were
Speaker 1: always right and had always right, and it was we
Speaker 1: were always wrong, and uh Rob was at the card
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Speaker 1: a kid at thirteen years old. They'd say, Okay, go
Speaker 1: sit over at the card table at Thanksgiving, and you
Speaker 1: guys would go over to Rob and he would be
Speaker 1: and you know, at the card table and it was
Speaker 1: like poorly lit, you know. And Scott Purcell, director of broadcast,
Speaker 1: like it was clause Valley. Yeah, he was like, why
Speaker 1: don't we put a sport code on you and just
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Speaker 1: We did Talking Cowboys and we took calls and the Jets,
Speaker 1: who were the two teams had Atlanta to Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: you know, And It was funny because about a year
Speaker 1: or two. A year later or so, Jerry came up
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Speaker 1: an away game, and he said, you know, he goes,
Speaker 1: when I get this this thing settled with the stadium,
Speaker 1: he goes, we're gonna bring that station back. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, the digital age and the internet exactly right,
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Speaker 1: right product now. And by the way, one of my
Speaker 1: great memories here at an ox Nard it was either
Speaker 1: an oh four oh and or oh five, was we
Speaker 1: had to set here doing talking cowboys. Had Kevin Costner
Speaker 1: on this ship, yes, when he visited camp. Had a
Speaker 1: long discussion with Kevin Coston that in between us, Right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sitting here talking to Kevin Costle. This
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. You star struck, Mickey. Yeah, well I was
Speaker 1: Bill too, you know, I thought I was on with
Speaker 1: the great Bill Jones. Pap Pip CD wants to know
Speaker 1: assuming assuming we keep six wide receivers, who would you keep?
Speaker 1: I know we're very emp away early for that. I
Speaker 1: give you three for sure, give me three for sure,
Speaker 1: and then let's talk about the other three Cooper Gallup
Speaker 1: and Cob okay, and then let's see what happens after that.
Speaker 1: Anybody's standing out for you a little bit? Robert over there, uh,
Speaker 1: Jalen Gen had a nice day, but John Vay has
Speaker 1: been my guy since one of the speed is noticeable
Speaker 1: or one of these young undrafted guys gonna make this team.
Speaker 1: I think I think one of them will sure, and
Speaker 1: one for sure. Now Tavon is probably if you were
Speaker 1: looking for the fourth guy at this point, it stays
Speaker 1: healthy just because of his body. He's not out there
Speaker 1: and he's losing traction. He needs to get out there.
Speaker 1: But again, he had his knee scoped and they're gonna
Speaker 1: take their time with him. They know what he can do.
Speaker 1: Point yeah, but because yeah, okay, shown the past, let's say,
Speaker 1: and Reggie Davis has got his hand up in the
Speaker 1: air a lot. And as the one who told me this,
Speaker 1: Chris Hall said he can run out of sight. He's
Speaker 1: running past guys again yesterday. I mean he's incredible. It
Speaker 1: comes to that, and they're and they're giving him reps
Speaker 1: at punt return, so you know, see if he can
Speaker 1: do that. Um was it John Vay? Yesterday he ran
Speaker 1: uh post deep post and I can't remember who he
Speaker 1: beat on it, and then he was probably down there.
Speaker 1: He beat Chris Chris Westy on a route the day before.
Speaker 1: That was what we called that slugo the slant go
Speaker 1: and Westrey bit and he took off and there was
Speaker 1: yesterday he was dining then down at the far end
Speaker 1: of the field just bent over like he was almost
Speaker 1: like he was winded or something. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was, but and so I kept an eye on
Speaker 1: him and he was back in for his next rep.
Speaker 1: I mean, trainer came over and asked him something and
Speaker 1: he was fine. But a guy like that, they know
Speaker 1: as much as they might be hurting or whatever, they
Speaker 1: still gotta go right. And that was that said a
Speaker 1: lot for him is that he would. He didn't miss
Speaker 1: a rep. He was right back in there. Many these
Speaker 1: guys run a lot. That's there's two positions that run
Speaker 1: all the time, the defensive backs and the receivers. And
Speaker 1: that's why when they're doing gassers. I'm surprised those guys.
Speaker 1: They have them still running over on the well. And
Speaker 1: it was yesterday too. Somebody mentioned, they go, why are
Speaker 1: those wide receivers dragging behind? I said, because they've already
Speaker 1: ran all day. It's like a soccer match. But when
Speaker 1: they went to second second team offense yesterday, it was
Speaker 1: John Vay Johnson and Reggie Davis. Yeah, split wide, there
Speaker 1: you go. And then they were bringing in Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget him in the slot there. He's a
Speaker 1: different type of slot receiver. He's a little bigger, he's thin.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his speed is. But I think
Speaker 1: they like them, and I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: mention their numbers when we say their names the new players,
Speaker 1: because when you see the videos then you'll you'll register.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like me prepare to do the preseason
Speaker 1: games out here. It's so helpful for me just learning
Speaker 1: how they run, what number eleven looks like run. You
Speaker 1: don't even pay attention to what their number is because
Speaker 1: you notice them and Scott would would look at it
Speaker 1: that way. Eighty one is John Vay Johnson elevens Reggie
Speaker 1: Davis eighty three, Jalen Guy guys sixteen and six. And
Speaker 1: by the way, that was Cooper Rush with some nice touch,
Speaker 1: some deep balls to those young receivers yesterday again one better. Uh,
Speaker 1: Eric want helps when your quarterback gets the play. That's
Speaker 1: you said that yesterday, Eric wants. Are you seeing any
Speaker 1: new things on the defense anything, anything, anything different than
Speaker 1: what you have more maybe blitzing, more than bringing linebacker,
Speaker 1: seeing that we're seeing guys playing and we've seen different
Speaker 1: nickel guys. Anything they changed yesterday When they first were
Speaker 1: in team in bass um, Anthony Brown was replacing Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: and when they went to nickel, Brown was moving inside
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis was outside. Early yesterday yesterday they had
Speaker 1: they had Lewis outside and when they brought Brown in
Speaker 1: on the nickel, he went into the slot. So they
Speaker 1: were taking a look at least of Jordan Lewis, giving
Speaker 1: him a shot to compete on the outside. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: playing for Shawn Lee. Joe Thomas was the same line. Um.
Speaker 1: I believe Taco Charlton was at left end yesterday. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was, so he's moving him around um and Luke Gifford, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He took Joe Thomas's spot on the second
Speaker 1: he was defense. He was the first young guy in,
Speaker 1: so he was playing the linebacker spot where Thomas was.
Speaker 1: Lee was out, which we didn't answer your question when
Speaker 1: you yeah, Shawn Lee out after tweaking a knee on
Speaker 1: Monday and the first padded practice. According to the head coach,
Speaker 1: Minor sprained mcl yes, and normally when you see her
Speaker 1: a sprained himsel you're thinking two to four. I was
Speaker 1: told this was less than that and that if they
Speaker 1: had to play next week, he probably could do it.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to play till September eighth, so
Speaker 1: we may we're not going to see Shaun Lee in
Speaker 1: any preseason games like yeah, and they're gonna be real
Speaker 1: carry they're back to the bubble repub. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was hoping they were over too. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he does much the rest of this week.
Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't have done anything in the Blue White
Speaker 1: scrimmage anyway. And then they get a day off, so
Speaker 1: so we even even dress rehearsal game. If everybody's healthy,
Speaker 1: I mean Italy not. Maybe they'll maybe how it goes,
Speaker 1: but they're not rushing him back yesterday was that makes sense.
Speaker 1: The funny thing was yesterday was supposed to be his
Speaker 1: veteran day off anyway, right, and he tweaked it early
Speaker 1: in Monday's first padded practice. Yeah, and on Sunday might
Speaker 1: have been a divot out there are you never know?
Speaker 1: It was on Sunday we interviewed him after practice and
Speaker 1: we're talking about just how he loves training camp, and
Speaker 1: I think I asked him a question that just is
Speaker 1: there anything he doesn't love about training camp? And he
Speaker 1: jokingly said sore knees. Oh no, well, you know he's
Speaker 1: had knee problems not but this now, this knee. I
Speaker 1: was the right one, Jason was right by the way,
Speaker 1: and it was the left one that he tore the
Speaker 1: ACL college again here. Yeah, as anybody knows how Mike
Speaker 1: Jackson's doing, that's a question they've been asking Mike Jackson
Speaker 1: the corner thirty three. Yes, have you seen him Jackson,
Speaker 1: he's been in I want to say on the second
Speaker 1: nickel right in the slot, right, Well he's playing outside.
Speaker 1: When we did training camp live yes Friday, right right
Speaker 1: left left corner had him in the slot working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they've had they're trying to kind of find a
Speaker 1: spot for him is I mean I've seen him in
Speaker 1: some covered stuff where where the ball hasn't gone his direction.
Speaker 1: So I see a guy the movement and stuff that
Speaker 1: you see why they try and play him in the slot.
Speaker 1: But he is a long guy too when you look
Speaker 1: at him, I mean he's got that like the ranging
Speaker 1: kind of bill. But yeah, but you watch him move
Speaker 1: and hit, the ability to turn and through some things
Speaker 1: and carry guys and routes. He was running with Guyton,
Speaker 1: he was running with John Bay Johnson and those guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's that they haven't attacked him. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen like they try to attack a woozier.
Speaker 1: I mean they've seen you've seen balls go at a
Speaker 1: woozy and he's been up to the task. I think
Speaker 1: it has been a very nice start to the camp.
Speaker 1: And but with Mike Johnson still kind of waiting for uh,
Speaker 1: the one Mike Jackson, I'm still if you look at
Speaker 1: the one on one stuff that is a hard, hard
Speaker 1: drill for defensive backs. It's that the seven blocks of
Speaker 1: granted and one thousand and seven the guy and then
Speaker 1: he throws, you know, Mike White then throws the ball
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. But yeah, as far as the
Speaker 1: coverage and stuff and watching him carry guys, he's been
Speaker 1: pretty good. We'll see if he can make some place
Speaker 1: from that though. Good to see yesterday the interception from
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, you know, on a hot throw. He just
Speaker 1: jumped rout and very impressive. Kellen Moore gave those guys
Speaker 1: this morning and the explanation of what happened to it,
Speaker 1: he said. He said, it was a great teaching interception
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, he said. When it happened, Dak apologized
Speaker 1: to Randall Cobb and cops said, no, it was my fault.
Speaker 1: I should have cut my route off. He said, So
Speaker 1: now we understand on that play what has to happen
Speaker 1: when the defense does what they did. He said, it
Speaker 1: was a great interception to to teach and show what
Speaker 1: needed to be done. Love that about Randall Cobb, right,
Speaker 1: I love what I love everything about that guy. You
Speaker 1: get the idea that he's he's just a perfectionist, don't you,
Speaker 1: I mean a professional? Yeah, well that too sure. And
Speaker 1: he doesn't shrug off a drop pass either. He dropped
Speaker 1: at himself. But but yeah, but again, not to minimize
Speaker 1: what Xavier Woods did. He jumped the route, he saw
Speaker 1: it and it did a really good job. Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: was kind of sneaky in the way he played it too.
Speaker 1: He kind of like was standing like he was. You
Speaker 1: could tell he was looking at Dak and he was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got this. I got with slot blitz, I gotta cover.
Speaker 1: As soon as he saw the play fake, he knew
Speaker 1: something was coming on the hot and he drove it,
Speaker 1: I mean hard, and that was that was where I
Speaker 1: think that. Uh, you know, with Xavier Woods, you talk
Speaker 1: about safeties that can see the field. That's what you
Speaker 1: gotta have right there, you know what. Keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that. Hey, we had the question yesterday who could
Speaker 1: emerge as the Pro Bowl defensive player and given more
Speaker 1: thought to it now, yeah, he could be the guy
Speaker 1: say him yesterday. Ye more that I think about it,
Speaker 1: and not just based on the pick yesterday. So one
Speaker 1: of the things that Garrett was talking, you know, and
Speaker 1: growing mentally and and what Garrett was talking about Xavier
Speaker 1: the other day in his press conference, he's he's naturally
Speaker 1: a more quiet russ. His personality is more quiet, and
Speaker 1: I think you have to when you're naturally like that,
Speaker 1: the more confidence you get. The more you learn about
Speaker 1: how to play in this league, the more that will
Speaker 1: come out and you'll become more of a vocal leaguer back.
Speaker 1: You don't think he's James Washington, Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1: And you know what, maybe you don't have to pay
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars for a safety. Could be true,
Speaker 1: It could be very true. But we've seen you know,
Speaker 1: he hits. You know in the yesterday Jeff the safety
Speaker 1: have an interception too. Yeah, and then he kicked it
Speaker 1: up to himself. Yeah, well, lay on the ground the safety.
Speaker 1: You know. Chris Rachard said about Xavier Woods von Frazier
Speaker 1: as well. What Rachard said about Woods is he's kind
Speaker 1: of our bell cow back there in the secondary as
Speaker 1: far as being physical and making hits and doing those. Now,
Speaker 1: it costs him a couple penalties last season, right, but
Speaker 1: he brings that already. Like you said, it's hard to
Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl as a safety if you get
Speaker 1: some takeaways though, you get in the conversation, yea delivering
Speaker 1: a message fifteen yards yeah, yeah. And Richard told me
Speaker 1: when I was talking to him about Xavier Woods and
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of picks and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: you know why he didn't have a lot of picks
Speaker 1: because he was in spots where the quarterback had to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. And people don't see him taking up
Speaker 1: the field where Okay, I just eliminated where the quarterback
Speaker 1: wanted to go. Now he's got to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So he thought he thought he for a first year
Speaker 1: starter in the NFL, and his second year he was
Speaker 1: really started. He's totally bought into Richard by the way
Speaker 1: he talked to him. He might not say much, but
Speaker 1: he'll say a lot of good things about christ Shark. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. As a safety grows in
Speaker 1: this league from a scouting perspective, Okay, what Mickey's talking
Speaker 1: about there, Okay, he's got a he's got an area
Speaker 1: covered or whatever. But as you gain more knowledge and
Speaker 1: you can deek a quarterback crafty guys, Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you can you know this is where you're gonna be.
Speaker 1: But you lay back a little bit and make quarterback
Speaker 1: make that throw and then you make a pick. Don't
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do too soon, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears Safeties Eddie Jackson. Right, Yeah, those
Speaker 1: guys they are in, they're in always it seemed like
Speaker 1: great position. The balls get tipped up or they get
Speaker 1: I mean there was the throw. I was watching the
Speaker 1: Rams game and like golf, just like he gets hit,
Speaker 1: he just throws it and it goes sailing over everybody.
Speaker 1: And here's you know, sometimes there's safety. You're just sitting there,
Speaker 1: the ball bull comes right to you. So those are instincts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a guy that the ball, the
Speaker 1: ball gravitates to you. That's a good thing. And I
Speaker 1: think Xavierwords is developing. All right, we continue with more
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Speaker 1: Joe Jackson? Can you know? I was gonna ask you
Speaker 1: guys about Joe Jackson because aside from now, I like Jokes,
Speaker 1: I think in Mickey's up too, he showed up. He's uh,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to make the direct player comparison here,
Speaker 1: but he can do it. He's got a Jason Taylor
Speaker 1: body's he's a long so he's going in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. I did not say that he's built kind
Speaker 1: of like him, and I think he's got some deceptive
Speaker 1: shrink because he's kind of he's kind of skinny. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what, You're not wrong, You're absolutely out of atam.
Speaker 1: Or you could watch him. They would play him down
Speaker 1: as an undertackle sometimes in the nickel and he would
Speaker 1: take on double teams and split him. And you've seen
Speaker 1: him play with a little power, a little snap out here.
Speaker 1: Actually you're talking jokes, jokes. He got a he gotta,
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Speaker 1: rushing the team, uh, Mike Webber chipped him. Oh, and
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, it was like he was fighting fighting
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Speaker 1: a shoulder of number forty right in the ribs and
Speaker 1: dun him. He had some good pass rushes though in
Speaker 1: the one then and you mentioned Mike Jackson, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: jo Jo jack I was gonna ask you guys, about him,
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like we've talked a whole lot
Speaker 1: about him since, even since the draft, you know, but
Speaker 1: he had he had a pick, thank courtesy of Rico,
Speaker 1: probably to day him afterwards. Yeah, dropping the ball, skillets.
Speaker 1: What have you guys noticed from him? You know what?
Speaker 1: To me? The coaches will tell you, Oh, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: he was there, you know, Rod says, oh, surprised he
Speaker 1: was there when we picked him, you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I've been kind of waiting for him to
Speaker 1: show something. I see power, I see a good body.
Speaker 1: I see really a left end. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see a right end at all. I don't. Actually Marinelli
Speaker 1: told me he's big enough, he can move him inside.
Speaker 1: Haven't see Yeah, yeah, okay, get really late one of
Speaker 1: these late preseason games when it gets down there, trying
Speaker 1: to rotate guys. Mickey's right, don't kick him down. He's yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, yeah, get the right thing.
Speaker 1: This one I haven't seen. Okay, So that tells you
Speaker 1: a lot right there. I've seen more. He was two
Speaker 1: seventy five before the off season program. Now he's two
Speaker 1: eighty five. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and he just looked like
Speaker 1: a bad boy. He's a he's a big guy, right.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's gonna wind up playing inside. Speaking of inside,
Speaker 1: his Christian Covington number ninety five, done anything for anybody.
Speaker 1: Mike wants to know that. Uh. I like to look
Speaker 1: the things. His one on one pass rush it wasn't
Speaker 1: so good yesterday. It doesn't have a lot of pass
Speaker 1: rush moves. It's more pros just he's just pushing. But
Speaker 1: you know what, when they got in team, he pushed
Speaker 1: the pocket a couple of times into the quarterback's face.
Speaker 1: Now that's one thing that's no that's what he can do.
Speaker 1: That's what you notice on the Texans tape when you
Speaker 1: watched him play with with the Texans last year. And sure,
Speaker 1: they've got Clowney, they've got Watt, they've got you know,
Speaker 1: they got rushers, they've got guys that could go. But
Speaker 1: when you put him in games and stuff, he could
Speaker 1: get some push and get somebody home. He was doing
Speaker 1: that with the Texans and speaker of getting some push
Speaker 1: and get somebody home yesterday. Nice job by Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: on they got they got some pressure almost I think
Speaker 1: it would have been a sack. He just jam He
Speaker 1: got right between Martin and Collins, showed great power and
Speaker 1: that got uh that got our guy all the way home.
Speaker 1: On the defensive side there, Kerry Hyder was coming all
Speaker 1: the way around and got it clean. So you know,
Speaker 1: you get they're playing these games. But I think this
Speaker 1: is where Christian Covington is gonna come in as far
Speaker 1: as helping you with that kind of So do you
Speaker 1: think the blitzing we see from the linebackers is the
Speaker 1: defense or are they practicing blitz pick up for the offense.
Speaker 1: I think they're practicing their blitzes is what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Both may yeah, both, okay, both, because I just noticed
Speaker 1: a lot more of the linebackers uh coming than normal. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about this front four? The
Speaker 1: depth and the whole thing? Now, you know, because the
Speaker 1: reasons one of the inside guys, one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: You know, when Gerald McCoy was available, I was one
Speaker 1: of those saying me right because a lot of it
Speaker 1: was because of those intangibles of Gerald McCoy. I'm feeling
Speaker 1: much better having been out here and seeing him in
Speaker 1: the off season and now out here, I feel much
Speaker 1: better about the interior guys. I feel better knowing that
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford could play inside the three technique. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if if if, if if if? Because Kleek looks healthy
Speaker 1: and he's playing like he's healthy. Antoine Woods is still
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods trying to muck things up in there with
Speaker 1: his quickness, and he got his weight down. Absolutely haven't
Speaker 1: seen Lawrence out there with it. And then we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens on the right side. You know, Quinn shows,
Speaker 1: you know, one on one, he wasn't that great. He's
Speaker 1: starting to slide on the grass too much. In Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: I have never I have never seen Robert Quinn on
Speaker 1: the ground as much as he's been in the last
Speaker 1: two days. But then again, he's up against Tyran Smith. No, no,
Speaker 1: but it seems like he's got bad shoes. That's what
Speaker 1: I thought. He's you know, he could he could capture
Speaker 1: the edge, because we've seen him do that. We've seen
Speaker 1: him get inside. But when he gets to the edge,
Speaker 1: it's like he's playing on with no cleats. It's like
Speaker 1: it's to with his feet and they're gone. And then
Speaker 1: you get a guy like Aaron Smith leaning on you,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it look worse. He needs to get
Speaker 1: can come off the ball now? He yeah, does he not?
Speaker 1: First all? Yeah? He hob keeps mer mindedness. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: he was doing around one yesterday and if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, if you keep looking at the interior of
Speaker 1: the line, Tristan Hill, I think, well that that was
Speaker 1: the other thing I was gonna say, Okay, Mickey went
Speaker 1: through all these guys on the defensive line, and we
Speaker 1: didn't mention the second second round draft pick. Who I
Speaker 1: think is he's just getting used to the pace of
Speaker 1: practice out here. I think he's I think he's had
Speaker 1: some really good moments and some moments where he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what am I doing? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and and that you could see some frustration at times,
Speaker 1: you know, he got I mean Zach Martin I wrote
Speaker 1: about this yesterday to one on once he got a
Speaker 1: chance any time that he could go. If you could
Speaker 1: win one out of every four reps against Zach Mark,
Speaker 1: I mean a win like at least make him back
Speaker 1: up right, you know, if you win in like that,
Speaker 1: that's good because they're not a lot of guards in
Speaker 1: the league that are Zack Martin. If you can win
Speaker 1: on him one time and yesterday, he kind of got
Speaker 1: Zack Martin all bounced a little bit and got underneath
Speaker 1: him and was able to kind of push him to
Speaker 1: the spot, push him to the dot with a quarterback
Speaker 1: stands And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, man, just
Speaker 1: come with some pass moves. Just kind of work on something, grab, pull, swim,
Speaker 1: do you know, do some stuff, because he could play
Speaker 1: with some power, but get you don't. You don't often get.
Speaker 1: Zach tried to set him a little wide and kind
Speaker 1: of his foot came up and then and he caught him.
Speaker 1: I mean he'll caught him underneath the pads and kind
Speaker 1: of then Zach said, okay, now bumpat both feet down,
Speaker 1: sit down kind of a thing. But if you could
Speaker 1: kind of get that, you'll get that kind of confidence
Speaker 1: and going against a guy like that, that'll help him
Speaker 1: in the long That's when we first I first really
Speaker 1: noticed MALIEK. Collins a couple of years ago. He was
Speaker 1: giving Zach Martin's fits in those one on one drills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so another another guy to watch inside Daniel Wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy who has some ability. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's such a numbers game. With his defensive Lineman. It's
Speaker 1: just it's gonna be tough to keep all these guys.
Speaker 1: You can't do it would be that you would have
Speaker 1: two guys from Kansas and you're shocking where the Sooners.
Speaker 1: That Charles s Tappers with the Jets, you know, good
Speaker 1: for him. I'm watch out less Miles turn that program around.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with whys I keep saying this,
Speaker 1: I want to see him get an opportunity to rush
Speaker 1: against Connor Williams and Zach Martin and Travis Frederick and
Speaker 1: those guys. I want to see him. They list him
Speaker 1: as a defensive end. He's really a defensive tackle. I
Speaker 1: want to see him and we'll we'll get plenty of that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in this Blue White scrimmage that we're gonna
Speaker 1: do on Sunday that we'll be talking about that. Mickey'll
Speaker 1: be down at field level and talking about, Hey, look
Speaker 1: that rush right there from Wise. Look, he's a slippery player.
Speaker 1: He's got some quickness to him. He understands how to
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. You know, he knows how to
Speaker 1: play with some technique. I just want to see him
Speaker 1: go up against you know, when he when he's when
Speaker 1: he's battling against Jake Campos and guys like that. I'm
Speaker 1: expecting him to win. I don't want to see him
Speaker 1: win against some other guys. Always done a better job
Speaker 1: than what I saw in mini camp. Is the Hyatt guy. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: feet feet don't look as Yeah, he looked like he
Speaker 1: was in mud. There's a reason he had over fifty
Speaker 1: starts for But he's starting to come and they had
Speaker 1: him at left tackle tackle. Yeah, and you know the
Speaker 1: guy that's I mean, I don't I know they like him,
Speaker 1: but you know, Connor mcgoverin kind of getting left behind
Speaker 1: here although there's there's no one backing up inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has to worry. See that's the thing. No,
Speaker 1: I mean at the guards, but the sue Philo and
Speaker 1: you're thinking if if, just if Connor, if he could
Speaker 1: be here, if he could get reps long before he
Speaker 1: can get out there. I don't know, we need to
Speaker 1: follow that. That's that's pack. Yeah. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when you mess with your pack, that's the season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See this is where again the folks on periscoper asking
Speaker 1: that question, like, how's he hasn't practiced, folks, He has
Speaker 1: not practice. He's been out in the Mini Caamp, not
Speaker 1: since the Mini Camps, so we need to follow up
Speaker 1: on that for sure, right, we will follow up on
Speaker 1: that and we will talk at you again tomorrow here
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