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Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This this he's talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, California.

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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brauns, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones.

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Speaker 1: Mickey finally got his headset on. He didn't salute, did you, Mickey? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I kind of gave me all right. It is day

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Speaker 1: number seven of Zeke watch here at Cowboys camp in Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: Good lord, I've been here a week already. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: came out here last Wednesday, team arrived. I've done Thursday,

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Speaker 1: so you guys have been day so you reach a

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Speaker 1: week today and so much going on. It is a

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Speaker 1: day off of the players. But it's not a day

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Speaker 1: off for talking cowboys, right or anything else we do right, Nopeickly,

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Speaker 1: just don't have to watch prasca practice and listen to

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Speaker 1: you don't get to watch practice to watch practice, right,

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Speaker 1: get to have a press conference, that's right. And uh

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Speaker 1: So it's a day off for the players and they'll

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Speaker 1: be back at it Thursday through Sunday. We'll have the

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Speaker 1: Blue White Scrimmage right here Dallas Cowboys dot com and

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Speaker 1: in Dallas Fort Worth on Texas twenty one formerly known

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Speaker 1: as t x A twenty one. Believe it's at six

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Speaker 1: o'clock Central time. I didn't know they changed the name.

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Speaker 1: Yes they did. It's Texas twenty one. Yeah. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: he's got a nice ring to it. I like that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's fine. It's not catchy yet because we haven't

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Speaker 1: had a Blue White scrimmage on Texas anyone get forward

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Speaker 1: to that. So we will on Sunday and we'll all

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Speaker 1: be a part of that. We'll talk about that more

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Speaker 1: as the week goes on. But let's get into what's

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Speaker 1: happening here at Cowboys camp and right out of the shoot,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Zeke watch right off the top, but let's

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Speaker 1: start with Travis Frederick watch. How about it? Because c

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Speaker 1: dub on Twitter at CBS eleven Bill Jones has tweeted

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Speaker 1: me a couple of times already asking me please cover

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Speaker 1: how Travis looked in pads on Talking Cowboys. So right

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Speaker 1: off the top, how did Travis look in pads for

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Speaker 1: the first time yesterday? I think if you consider it

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Speaker 1: was the first time in a year, and not only

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Speaker 1: did he go through the Gillian Varius syndrome, but he

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Speaker 1: also had shoulder surgery and surgery to repair a numbilical hernia.

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Speaker 1: I think it was okay, there you go. I think

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Speaker 1: that he showed that he has strength. In my estimation,

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Speaker 1: he was about a step slow, a little tick slow

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Speaker 1: But that's it's been a year, right, Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: almost a year. But he's not he's not wrong, And

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Speaker 1: I appreciate. No, I'm not. I'm not arguing because the

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Speaker 1: view of what he Yeah, I'm sorry. I took that

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Speaker 1: as maybe you're like, oh no, he was explaining that

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Speaker 1: you got to qualify here, right, Yeah, I just you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. But I appreciate what Mickey's saying right now

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Speaker 1: because to me, that's what I saw the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I saw a guy that was a tick slow, that

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Speaker 1: really didn't look totally comfortable with what's going on. There

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Speaker 1: you know, and he was and he was like he

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Speaker 1: how to do this. He even talked about it himself.

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Speaker 1: May yeah, when I make that reach block I gotta

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Speaker 1: just a matter of getting in rhythm of everything. But hey,

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Speaker 1: was just another landmark step for him on his way

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Speaker 1: to recover. Here's a reminder of just how long it's been.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting too that he relied

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Speaker 1: and he I don't think he was too happy about

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Speaker 1: It was it was funny last night after the walkthrough.

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing like if Zeke went to the Bahamas,

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Speaker 1: How hot it is this time of year? And you

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Speaker 1: did point that out? Yes, yes, I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: a vaga. And Travis Frederick said he's been to that

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Speaker 1: place where Zeke has work, is working out in Cabo,

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Speaker 1: and he's got no problem with Zeke being at that

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Speaker 1: I got drawn off sides here by Mickey. Is it

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Speaker 1: like the Pat O'Brien's thing where you go in there?

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Speaker 1: But they're good, stupid right, stupid sweet? These these margharita

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Speaker 1: What did it Talking Cowboys start? Two thousand year Remember

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Speaker 1: like it was clause Valley. Yeah, he was like, why

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Speaker 1: try to dress it up just a little bit, you know. No,

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Speaker 1: we were in the studio, yeah, I know, but you

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Speaker 1: and you guys were hunting for some content we did.

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Speaker 1: We did Talking Cowboys and we took calls and the Jets,

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Speaker 1: who were the two teams had Atlanta to Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: there was no It wasn't the thought. I thought it

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Speaker 1: might have been the Colts, I don't remember. And then

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Speaker 1: the NFL network came into the system and they told Jerry,

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Speaker 1: why would you have a station that would compete with

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Speaker 1: you know, And It was funny because about a year

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Speaker 1: or two. A year later or so, Jerry came up

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Speaker 1: to me. We were in a hospital qality room on

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Speaker 1: when I get this this thing settled with the stadium,

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Speaker 1: he goes, we're gonna bring that station back. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not so much. Well it kind of done it in

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Speaker 1: a different we've but we've expanded. What what's happened is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the digital age and the internet exactly right,

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Speaker 1: and the local over the air TV stations. Meanwhile, we're

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Speaker 1: dying and we have a twenty four hour that's exactly

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Speaker 1: an oh four oh and or oh five, was we

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Speaker 1: had to set here doing talking cowboys. Had Kevin Costner

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Speaker 1: on this ship, yes, when he visited camp. Had a

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Speaker 1: long discussion with Kevin Coston that in between us, Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sitting here talking to Kevin Costle. This

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable. You star struck, Mickey. Yeah, well I was

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Speaker 1: Bill too, you know, I thought I was on with

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Speaker 1: the great Bill Jones. Pap Pip CD wants to know

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Speaker 1: assuming assuming we keep six wide receivers, who would you keep?

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Speaker 1: I know we're very emp away early for that. I

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Speaker 1: give you three for sure, give me three for sure,

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Speaker 1: and then let's talk about the other three Cooper Gallup

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Speaker 1: and Cob okay, and then let's see what happens after that.

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Speaker 1: Anybody's standing out for you a little bit? Robert over there, uh,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Gen had a nice day, but John Vay has

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Speaker 1: been my guy since one of the speed is noticeable

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Speaker 1: or one of these young undrafted guys gonna make this team.

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Speaker 1: I think I think one of them will sure, and

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Speaker 1: one for sure. Now Tavon is probably if you were

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Speaker 1: looking for the fourth guy at this point, it stays

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Speaker 1: healthy just because of his body. He's not out there

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Speaker 1: and he's losing traction. He needs to get out there.

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Speaker 1: But again, he had his knee scoped and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: take their time with him. They know what he can do.

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Speaker 1: Point yeah, but because yeah, okay, shown the past, let's say,

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Speaker 1: air a lot. And as the one who told me this,

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Speaker 1: Chris Hall said he can run out of sight. He's

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Speaker 1: running past guys again yesterday. I mean he's incredible. It

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Speaker 1: comes to that, and they're and they're giving him reps

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Speaker 1: at punt return, so you know, see if he can

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Speaker 1: do that. Um was it John Vay? Yesterday he ran

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Speaker 1: uh post deep post and I can't remember who he

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Speaker 1: beat on it, and then he was probably down there.

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Speaker 1: He beat Chris Chris Westy on a route the day before.

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Speaker 1: That was what we called that slugo the slant go

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Speaker 1: and Westrey bit and he took off and there was

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Speaker 1: yesterday he was dining then down at the far end

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Speaker 1: of the field just bent over like he was almost

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Speaker 1: like he was winded or something. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it was, but and so I kept an eye on

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Speaker 1: him and he was back in for his next rep.

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Speaker 1: I mean, trainer came over and asked him something and

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Speaker 1: he was fine. But a guy like that, they know

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Speaker 1: as much as they might be hurting or whatever, they

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Speaker 1: still gotta go right. And that was that said a

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Speaker 1: lot for him is that he would. He didn't miss

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Speaker 1: a rep. He was right back in there. Many these

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Speaker 1: guys run a lot. That's there's two positions that run

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Speaker 1: all the time, the defensive backs and the receivers. And

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Speaker 1: that's why when they're doing gassers. I'm surprised those guys.

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Speaker 1: They have them still running over on the well. And

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Speaker 1: it was yesterday too. Somebody mentioned, they go, why are

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Speaker 1: those wide receivers dragging behind? I said, because they've already

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Speaker 1: ran all day. It's like a soccer match. But when

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Speaker 1: they went to second second team offense yesterday, it was

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Speaker 1: John Vay Johnson and Reggie Davis. Yeah, split wide, there

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Speaker 1: you go. And then they were bringing in Cedric Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget him in the slot there. He's a

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Speaker 1: different type of slot receiver. He's a little bigger, he's thin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what his speed is. But I think

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Speaker 1: they like them, and I feel like we need to

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Speaker 1: mention their numbers when we say their names the new players,

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Speaker 1: because when you see the videos then you'll you'll register.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like me prepare to do the preseason

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Speaker 1: games out here. It's so helpful for me just learning

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Speaker 1: how they run, what number eleven looks like run. You

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Speaker 1: don't even pay attention to what their number is because

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Speaker 1: you notice them and Scott would would look at it

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Speaker 1: that way. Eighty one is John Vay Johnson elevens Reggie

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Speaker 1: Davis eighty three, Jalen Guy guys sixteen and six. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, that was Cooper Rush with some nice touch,

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Speaker 1: some deep balls to those young receivers yesterday again one better. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Eric want helps when your quarterback gets the play. That's

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Speaker 1: you said that yesterday, Eric wants. Are you seeing any

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Speaker 1: new things on the defense anything, anything, anything different than

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Speaker 1: what you have more maybe blitzing, more than bringing linebacker,

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Speaker 1: seeing that we're seeing guys playing and we've seen different

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Speaker 1: nickel guys. Anything they changed yesterday When they first were

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Speaker 1: in team in bass um, Anthony Brown was replacing Byron Jones,

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Speaker 1: and when they went to nickel, Brown was moving inside

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis was outside. Early yesterday yesterday they had

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Speaker 1: they had Lewis outside and when they brought Brown in

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Speaker 1: on the nickel, he went into the slot. So they

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Speaker 1: were taking a look at least of Jordan Lewis, giving

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Speaker 1: him a shot to compete on the outside. Joe Thomas

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Speaker 1: playing for Shawn Lee. Joe Thomas was the same line. Um.

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Speaker 1: I believe Taco Charlton was at left end yesterday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was, so he's moving him around um and Luke Gifford, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was. He took Joe Thomas's spot on the second

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Speaker 1: he was defense. He was the first young guy in,

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Speaker 1: so he was playing the linebacker spot where Thomas was.

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Speaker 1: Lee was out, which we didn't answer your question when

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Speaker 1: you yeah, Shawn Lee out after tweaking a knee on

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Speaker 1: Monday and the first padded practice. According to the head coach,

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638
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639
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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to play till September eighth, so

641
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Speaker 1: we may we're not going to see Shaun Lee in

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Speaker 1: any preseason games like yeah, and they're gonna be real

643
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Speaker 1: carry they're back to the bubble repub. I don't know

644
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Speaker 1: if he was hoping they were over too. I don't

645
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Speaker 1: know if he does much the rest of this week.

646
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't have done anything in the Blue White

647
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: scrimmage anyway. And then they get a day off, so

648
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Speaker 1: so we even even dress rehearsal game. If everybody's healthy,

649
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean Italy not. Maybe they'll maybe how it goes,

650
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: but they're not rushing him back yesterday was that makes sense.

651
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: The funny thing was yesterday was supposed to be his

652
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: veteran day off anyway, right, and he tweaked it early

653
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: in Monday's first padded practice. Yeah, and on Sunday might

654
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: have been a divot out there are you never know?

655
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: It was on Sunday we interviewed him after practice and

656
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Speaker 1: we're talking about just how he loves training camp, and

657
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Speaker 1: I think I asked him a question that just is

658
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: there anything he doesn't love about training camp? And he

659
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: jokingly said sore knees. Oh no, well, you know he's

660
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: had knee problems not but this now, this knee. I

661
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662
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663
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664
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Speaker 1: Jackson's doing, that's a question they've been asking Mike Jackson

665
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Speaker 1: the corner thirty three. Yes, have you seen him Jackson,

666
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Speaker 1: he's been in I want to say on the second

667
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: nickel right in the slot, right, Well he's playing outside.

668
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: When we did training camp live yes Friday, right right

669
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Speaker 1: left left corner had him in the slot working. Yeah,

670
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Speaker 1: they they've had they're trying to kind of find a

671
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: spot for him is I mean I've seen him in

672
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Speaker 1: some covered stuff where where the ball hasn't gone his direction.

673
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: So I see a guy the movement and stuff that

674
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: you see why they try and play him in the slot.

675
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: But he is a long guy too when you look

676
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: at him, I mean he's got that like the ranging

677
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of bill. But yeah, but you watch him move

678
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: and hit, the ability to turn and through some things

679
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: and carry guys and routes. He was running with Guyton,

680
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: he was running with John Bay Johnson and those guys.

681
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's that they haven't attacked him. You know,

682
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: we haven't seen like they try to attack a woozier.

683
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean they've seen you've seen balls go at a

684
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: woozy and he's been up to the task. I think

685
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Speaker 1: it has been a very nice start to the camp.

686
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: And but with Mike Johnson still kind of waiting for uh,

687
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: the one Mike Jackson, I'm still if you look at

688
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: the one on one stuff that is a hard, hard

689
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: drill for defensive backs. It's that the seven blocks of

690
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: granted and one thousand and seven the guy and then

691
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: he throws, you know, Mike White then throws the ball

692
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. But yeah, as far as the

693
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: coverage and stuff and watching him carry guys, he's been

694
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: pretty good. We'll see if he can make some place

695
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: from that though. Good to see yesterday the interception from

696
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, you know, on a hot throw. He just

697
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: jumped rout and very impressive. Kellen Moore gave those guys

698
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: this morning and the explanation of what happened to it,

699
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: he said. He said, it was a great teaching interception

700
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, he said. When it happened, Dak apologized

701
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: to Randall Cobb and cops said, no, it was my fault.

702
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I should have cut my route off. He said, So

703
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: now we understand on that play what has to happen

704
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: when the defense does what they did. He said, it

705
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: was a great interception to to teach and show what

706
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: needed to be done. Love that about Randall Cobb, right,

707
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I love what I love everything about that guy. You

708
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: get the idea that he's he's just a perfectionist, don't you,

709
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean a professional? Yeah, well that too sure. And

710
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't shrug off a drop pass either. He dropped

711
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: at himself. But but yeah, but again, not to minimize

712
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: what Xavier Woods did. He jumped the route, he saw

713
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: it and it did a really good job. Xavier Woods

714
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: was kind of sneaky in the way he played it too.

715
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: He kind of like was standing like he was. You

716
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: could tell he was looking at Dak and he was thinking, Okay,

717
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: I've got this. I got with slot blitz, I gotta cover.

718
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: As soon as he saw the play fake, he knew

719
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Speaker 1: something was coming on the hot and he drove it,

720
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean hard, and that was that was where I

721
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: think that. Uh, you know, with Xavier Woods, you talk

722
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Speaker 1: about safeties that can see the field. That's what you

723
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Speaker 1: gotta have right there, you know what. Keep an eye

724
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Speaker 1: on that. Hey, we had the question yesterday who could

725
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: emerge as the Pro Bowl defensive player and given more

726
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: thought to it now, yeah, he could be the guy

727
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: say him yesterday. Ye more that I think about it,

728
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: and not just based on the pick yesterday. So one

729
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: of the things that Garrett was talking, you know, and

730
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Speaker 1: growing mentally and and what Garrett was talking about Xavier

731
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: the other day in his press conference, he's he's naturally

732
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: a more quiet russ. His personality is more quiet, and

733
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I think you have to when you're naturally like that,

734
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: the more confidence you get. The more you learn about

735
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: how to play in this league, the more that will

736
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: come out and you'll become more of a vocal leaguer back.

737
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: You don't think he's James Washington, Is that what you're saying?

738
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Speaker 1: And you know what, maybe you don't have to pay

739
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars for a safety. Could be true,

740
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: It could be very true. But we've seen you know,

741
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: he hits. You know in the yesterday Jeff the safety

742
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: have an interception too. Yeah, and then he kicked it

743
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: up to himself. Yeah, well, lay on the ground the safety.

744
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: You know. Chris Rachard said about Xavier Woods von Frazier

745
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: as well. What Rachard said about Woods is he's kind

746
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: of our bell cow back there in the secondary as

747
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: far as being physical and making hits and doing those. Now,

748
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: it costs him a couple penalties last season, right, but

749
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: he brings that already. Like you said, it's hard to

750
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Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl as a safety if you get

751
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: some takeaways though, you get in the conversation, yea delivering

752
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: a message fifteen yards yeah, yeah. And Richard told me

753
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: when I was talking to him about Xavier Woods and

754
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of picks and he goes, well,

755
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: you know why he didn't have a lot of picks

756
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: because he was in spots where the quarterback had to

757
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. And people don't see him taking up

758
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: the field where Okay, I just eliminated where the quarterback

759
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: wanted to go. Now he's got to go somewhere else.

760
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: So he thought he thought he for a first year

761
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Speaker 1: starter in the NFL, and his second year he was

762
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: really started. He's totally bought into Richard by the way

763
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: he talked to him. He might not say much, but

764
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765
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. As a safety grows in

766
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767
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: about there, Okay, he's got a he's got an area

768
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,480
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769
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770
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: you can you know this is where you're gonna be.

771
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: But you lay back a little bit and make quarterback

772
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773
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do too soon, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears Safeties Eddie Jackson. Right, Yeah, those

775
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: guys they are in, they're in always it seemed like

776
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: great position. The balls get tipped up or they get

777
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean there was the throw. I was watching the

778
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,839
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779
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,120
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780
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: And here's you know, sometimes there's safety. You're just sitting there,

781
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783
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Speaker 1: first try nailed that about that? How do you smell that?

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00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: What a G L y C O l I C glycolic? Yes,

848
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Sims want sim wants to know how Jokes

849
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: is doing? Jalen Jolkes, Yeah, do you think him or

850
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson? Can you know? I was gonna ask you

851
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: guys about Joe Jackson because aside from now, I like Jokes,

852
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I think in Mickey's up too, he showed up. He's uh,

853
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and I don't want to make the direct player comparison here,

854
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: but he can do it. He's got a Jason Taylor

855
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: body's he's a long so he's going in the Hall

856
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: of Fame. I did not say that he's built kind

857
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: of like him, and I think he's got some deceptive

858
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: shrink because he's kind of he's kind of skinny. You know,

859
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: you know what, You're not wrong, You're absolutely out of atam.

860
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: Or you could watch him. They would play him down

861
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: as an undertackle sometimes in the nickel and he would

862
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: take on double teams and split him. And you've seen

863
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: him play with a little power, a little snap out here.

864
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: Actually you're talking jokes, jokes. He got a he gotta,

865
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: he gotta Welcome to the NFL. Though, on one pass

866
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: rushing the team, uh, Mike Webber chipped him. Oh, and

867
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, it was like he was fighting fighting

868
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: your boy Fleming and all of a sudden he got

869
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: a shoulder of number forty right in the ribs and

870
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: dun him. He had some good pass rushes though in

871
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: the one then and you mentioned Mike Jackson, Oh yeah,

872
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: jo Jo jack I was gonna ask you guys, about him,

873
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like we've talked a whole lot

874
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: about him since, even since the draft, you know, but

875
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: he had he had a pick, thank courtesy of Rico,

876
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: probably to day him afterwards. Yeah, dropping the ball, skillets.

877
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: What have you guys noticed from him? You know what?

878
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: To me? The coaches will tell you, Oh, I'm surprised

879
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: he was there, you know, Rod says, oh, surprised he

880
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: was there when we picked him, you know that kind

881
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: of thing. I've been kind of waiting for him to

882
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: show something. I see power, I see a good body.

883
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: I see really a left end. I don't. I don't

884
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: see a right end at all. I don't. Actually Marinelli

885
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: told me he's big enough, he can move him inside.

886
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Haven't see Yeah, yeah, okay, get really late one of

887
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: these late preseason games when it gets down there, trying

888
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to rotate guys. Mickey's right, don't kick him down. He's yeah, okay.

889
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, yeah, get the right thing.

890
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: This one I haven't seen. Okay, So that tells you

891
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot right there. I've seen more. He was two

892
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: seventy five before the off season program. Now he's two

893
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: eighty five. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and he just looked like

894
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: a bad boy. He's a he's a big guy, right.

895
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's gonna wind up playing inside. Speaking of inside,

896
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: his Christian Covington number ninety five, done anything for anybody.

897
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: Mike wants to know that. Uh. I like to look

898
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: the things. His one on one pass rush it wasn't

899
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: so good yesterday. It doesn't have a lot of pass

900
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: rush moves. It's more pros just he's just pushing. But

901
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: you know what, when they got in team, he pushed

902
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: the pocket a couple of times into the quarterback's face.

903
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: Now that's one thing that's no that's what he can do.

904
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: That's what you notice on the Texans tape when you

905
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: watched him play with with the Texans last year. And sure,

906
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: they've got Clowney, they've got Watt, they've got you know,

907
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: they got rushers, they've got guys that could go. But

908
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: when you put him in games and stuff, he could

909
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: get some push and get somebody home. He was doing

910
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: that with the Texans and speaker of getting some push

911
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: and get somebody home yesterday. Nice job by Jalen Smith

912
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: on they got they got some pressure almost I think

913
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: it would have been a sack. He just jam He

914
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: got right between Martin and Collins, showed great power and

915
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: that got uh that got our guy all the way home.

916
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: On the defensive side there, Kerry Hyder was coming all

917
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: the way around and got it clean. So you know,

918
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you get they're playing these games. But I think this

919
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: is where Christian Covington is gonna come in as far

920
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: as helping you with that kind of So do you

921
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: think the blitzing we see from the linebackers is the

922
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: defense or are they practicing blitz pick up for the offense.

923
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I think they're practicing their blitzes is what they're doing.

924
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Both may yeah, both, okay, both, because I just noticed

925
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot more of the linebackers uh coming than normal. Yeah. Absolutely,

926
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about this front four? The

927
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: depth and the whole thing? Now, you know, because the

928
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: reasons one of the inside guys, one of the reasons.

929
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, when Gerald McCoy was available, I was one

930
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: of those saying me right because a lot of it

931
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: was because of those intangibles of Gerald McCoy. I'm feeling

932
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: much better having been out here and seeing him in

933
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: the off season and now out here, I feel much

934
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: better about the interior guys. I feel better knowing that

935
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford could play inside the three technique. Yeah, but

936
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: if if if, if if if? Because Kleek looks healthy

937
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: and he's playing like he's healthy. Antoine Woods is still

938
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods trying to muck things up in there with

939
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: his quickness, and he got his weight down. Absolutely haven't

940
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: seen Lawrence out there with it. And then we'll see

941
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: what happens on the right side. You know, Quinn shows,

942
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, one on one, he wasn't that great. He's

943
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: starting to slide on the grass too much. In Mickey's right,

944
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: I have never I have never seen Robert Quinn on

945
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: the ground as much as he's been in the last

946
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: two days. But then again, he's up against Tyran Smith. No, no,

947
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: but it seems like he's got bad shoes. That's what

948
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: I thought. He's you know, he could he could capture

949
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: the edge, because we've seen him do that. We've seen

950
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: him get inside. But when he gets to the edge,

951
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: it's like he's playing on with no cleats. It's like

952
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: it's to with his feet and they're gone. And then

953
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: you get a guy like Aaron Smith leaning on you,

954
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it look worse. He needs to get

955
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: can come off the ball now? He yeah, does he not?

956
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: First all? Yeah? He hob keeps mer mindedness. I'm sorry

957
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: he was doing around one yesterday and if you know,

958
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you keep looking at the interior of

959
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: the line, Tristan Hill, I think, well that that was

960
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: the other thing I was gonna say, Okay, Mickey went

961
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: through all these guys on the defensive line, and we

962
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: didn't mention the second second round draft pick. Who I

963
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: think is he's just getting used to the pace of

964
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: practice out here. I think he's I think he's had

965
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: some really good moments and some moments where he's like,

966
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what am I doing? Yeah, you know,

967
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: and and that you could see some frustration at times,

968
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, he got I mean Zach Martin I wrote

969
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: about this yesterday to one on once he got a

970
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: chance any time that he could go. If you could

971
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: win one out of every four reps against Zach Mark,

972
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean a win like at least make him back

973
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: up right, you know, if you win in like that,

974
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: that's good because they're not a lot of guards in

975
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: the league that are Zack Martin. If you can win

976
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: on him one time and yesterday, he kind of got

977
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Zack Martin all bounced a little bit and got underneath

978
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: him and was able to kind of push him to

979
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: the spot, push him to the dot with a quarterback

980
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: stands And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, man, just

981
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: come with some pass moves. Just kind of work on something, grab, pull, swim,

982
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: do you know, do some stuff, because he could play

983
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: with some power, but get you don't. You don't often get.

984
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: Zach tried to set him a little wide and kind

985
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: of his foot came up and then and he caught him.

986
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean he'll caught him underneath the pads and kind

987
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: of then Zach said, okay, now bumpat both feet down,

988
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: sit down kind of a thing. But if you could

989
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: kind of get that, you'll get that kind of confidence

990
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: and going against a guy like that, that'll help him

991
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: in the long That's when we first I first really

992
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: noticed MALIEK. Collins a couple of years ago. He was

993
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: giving Zach Martin's fits in those one on one drills. Yeah,

994
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: so another another guy to watch inside Daniel Wise. Yeah,

995
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy who has some ability. It's just it's

996
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: it's such a numbers game. With his defensive Lineman. It's

997
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: just it's gonna be tough to keep all these guys.

998
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: You can't do it would be that you would have

999
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: two guys from Kansas and you're shocking where the Sooners.

1000
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: That Charles s Tappers with the Jets, you know, good

1001
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: for him. I'm watch out less Miles turn that program around.

1002
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: I think the thing with whys I keep saying this,

1003
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: I want to see him get an opportunity to rush

1004
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: against Connor Williams and Zach Martin and Travis Frederick and

1005
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: those guys. I want to see him. They list him

1006
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: as a defensive end. He's really a defensive tackle. I

1007
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: want to see him and we'll we'll get plenty of that.

1008
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure in this Blue White scrimmage that we're gonna

1009
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: do on Sunday that we'll be talking about that. Mickey'll

1010
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: be down at field level and talking about, Hey, look

1011
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: that rush right there from Wise. Look, he's a slippery player.

1012
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: He's got some quickness to him. He understands how to

1013
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. You know, he knows how to

1014
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: play with some technique. I just want to see him

1015
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: go up against you know, when he when he's when

1016
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: he's battling against Jake Campos and guys like that. I'm

1017
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: expecting him to win. I don't want to see him

1018
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: win against some other guys. Always done a better job

1019
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: than what I saw in mini camp. Is the Hyatt guy. Yes, yes,

1020
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: feet feet don't look as Yeah, he looked like he

1021
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: was in mud. There's a reason he had over fifty

1022
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: starts for But he's starting to come and they had

1023
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: him at left tackle tackle. Yeah, and you know the

1024
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: guy that's I mean, I don't I know they like him,

1025
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: but you know, Connor mcgoverin kind of getting left behind

1026
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: here although there's there's no one backing up inside. Yeah,

1027
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: and he has to worry. See that's the thing. No,

1028
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean at the guards, but the sue Philo and

1029
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: you're thinking if if, just if Connor, if he could

1030
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: be here, if he could get reps long before he

1031
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: can get out there. I don't know, we need to

1032
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: follow that. That's that's pack. Yeah. A lot of times

1033
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: when you mess with your pack, that's the season. Yeah.

1034
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: See this is where again the folks on periscoper asking

1035
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: that question, like, how's he hasn't practiced, folks, He has

1036
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: not practice. He's been out in the Mini Caamp, not

1037
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: since the Mini Camps, so we need to follow up

1038
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: on that for sure, right, we will follow up on

1039
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: that and we will talk at you again tomorrow here

1040
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,600
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1041
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,759
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