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Speaker 2: Our number two here on day number two, a special

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive West Ruler and Matt Williamson with

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Speaker 2: you here as practice is ongoing for your Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Bob Libriola told me one hundred minute practice today for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers. So I think we got probably about thirty

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Speaker 2: forty ish minutes lest somewhere, but it depending on exactly

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Speaker 2: what they It did seem like they started practice a

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Speaker 2: couple minutes earlier than one fifty five today, But hey,

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Speaker 2: that's the way it goes, right.

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Speaker 3: Practice is at one fifty five at you better be

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Speaker 3: down here.

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Speaker 4: And so we're probably less than halfway through it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, something something or yeah, I guess that

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Speaker 2: would make sense.

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Speaker 3: You're right. So we've still got well.

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Speaker 2: No, maybe a little bit more than halfway through it,

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Speaker 2: because we're about an hour in sixty minutes of you know,

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Speaker 2: hundred minute practice there. But and that's why we don't

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Speaker 2: do That's why we don't do math, Matt. That's why

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Speaker 2: we just stick to talking about football here. And we

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Speaker 2: do have some news for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: have signed a safety, a defensive back, Chuck Clark, who

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Speaker 2: is a veteran in his ninth season in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: He spent his first six seasons with Baltimore, then had

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Speaker 2: a season off due to a knee and ACL injury,

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Speaker 2: and then the last two with the New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eight career games, seventy five starts, four

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine total tackles, nine TFLs, five interceptions,

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Speaker 2: you know, thirty four pass defense, six forced fumbles, five

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Speaker 2: fumble recoveries. He was a sixth round pick of the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Appeared in twelve games last year for the Jets, starting

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Speaker 2: all of them, sixty nine tackles, two passes defensed. He's

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Speaker 2: a product of Virginia Tech Matt another Ravens safety into

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Speaker 2: the fold here.

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Speaker 4: And another Jet from last year too by the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they were nabbing some dudes off that team. Just what

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Speaker 4: I think. Well, I don't know what they're getting, but

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Speaker 4: he's had a good career. He isn't the fastest, that's

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Speaker 4: why he was a six round pick, but he is big.

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Speaker 4: He's well over two hundred pounds. He has very long arms.

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Speaker 4: He has a lot of position versatility, which I think

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Speaker 4: is important here too. Over his career he almost has

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Speaker 4: equal snaps in the box versus true free safety seventeen

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Speaker 4: to fifty verse eighteen seventy one, so true a true

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Speaker 4: two way safety, as well as about half of that

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Speaker 4: in the in the slot seventy five or six hundred

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Speaker 4: and seventy two snaps from the salot, so he can

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Speaker 4: bang with tight ends. You know, we're talking about John,

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Speaker 4: who is a detached type guy like Clark, is good

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Speaker 4: at matching up with those type of players, physical dudes.

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Speaker 4: He's been a starter basically his entire career. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: people remember him from the Ravens. He was a high

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Speaker 4: quality Ravens starter. He wasn't a Pro Bowl or anything

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Speaker 4: like that hitter physical intellectual. You mentioned he missed a

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Speaker 4: whole year because of injury. Injury is an issue with

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Speaker 4: the guy. He did get injured. I just happened to

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Speaker 4: look us up and it at New Year's Eve, December

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Speaker 4: thirty first, last year, he tore his peck, So I

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Speaker 4: assume that's why he was still out there, is still recovering, recovering, recovering.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty recent injury, sure makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's basically eight months removed from a torn peck,

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Speaker 4: which is pretty substantial. So he's still out there. But

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Speaker 4: the fact that he has played half almost fifty to

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Speaker 4: fifty in terms of free versus wrong indicates to me

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Speaker 4: more and more and more. And we talked about this.

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Speaker 4: With the Maga trade, you're gonna see a lot less

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Speaker 4: single high static cover three. I think you're gonna see

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Speaker 4: a lot more interchangeable safety stuff, a lot more Cover four,

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Speaker 4: a lot more unpredictable unpredictability with them. And obviously this

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Speaker 4: is a byproduct of the Maka trade. There was a

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Speaker 4: safety spot to be had. I don't think he'll be

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Speaker 4: a starter right off the bat, but he has started

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Speaker 4: a ton of games. I just looked it up. His

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Speaker 4: last contract with the Jets was only for two million years.

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Speaker 4: He's probably about that neighborhood now at his age. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what his special team's background is. I imagine he's capable,

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Speaker 4: but I don't remember being he was a starter. See,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's played a ton. It's a nice

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Speaker 4: it's on the cheap, and I would think it injuries aside,

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Speaker 4: he's been a reliable veteran dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he absolutely has.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, time of year, I think that's

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Speaker 2: about the best that you can hope for, the best

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Speaker 2: actually out there right now, is he really?

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Speaker 3: He is out there right now?

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Speaker 4: Crazy?

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Speaker 3: He is number twenty one. I can see him.

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Speaker 2: He's standing about the forty two yard line over there,

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Speaker 2: across the sideline, next to best ship and in one

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Speaker 4: Can't imagine he'd get on the field.

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Speaker 3: But baby, well I'm that crazy.

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Speaker 2: It looks like he's crazy according to and you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of following along with the the like you

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Speaker 2: and I talked about the real reporters and journalists downfield.

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Speaker 2: And it looks like he arrived here just before practice

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Speaker 2: and they got him equipment and set up and everything,

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Speaker 2: and he was just you know, a few minutes after practice,

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Speaker 2: they brought him down onto the field and introduced him

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Speaker 2: to his group and here you go, let's get after it.

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Speaker 4: Wow. He obviously knows Echols and Rogers from the Jets days,

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Speaker 4: and sure he knows a lot of these other dudes

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Speaker 4: from playing against him, and people in league know each

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Speaker 4: other anyway. But that's cool. I'm excited to just at

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Speaker 4: least even get a body type on him, because I

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Speaker 4: do remember having long arms, well built at two hundred

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Speaker 4: It's a nice pickup.

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Speaker 2: Just just saw Jalen ram Is on a slot blitz

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Speaker 4: About looking apart by the way, My goodness.

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Speaker 3: Does he ever?

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Speaker 2: Uh you expect that we'll see that because it's yes,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting to me, like his sack numbers throughout it.

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Speaker 2: He's got three sacks in his in his career, Like

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Speaker 2: that's not a you know all that that guy's dangerous

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Speaker 2: I think he can be very disrupt like his his

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Speaker 2: his QB pressures and his QB hits are solid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's so really effective when he has done it.

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Speaker 3: You think we're gonna see it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm not even saying to a Mike

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Speaker 4: This absolutely, I think you'll definitely see more blitz in general,

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Speaker 4: because you trust your corners more, you have different a

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Speaker 4: wider variety of schemes. I definitely think you'll see more

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Speaker 4: slot blitzes, especially from him, because he is good at it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like. You said, sack numbers

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Speaker 4: is good at it.

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Speaker 2: He had won last year, okay, and then I think

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Speaker 2: two years ago okay. So it's like he's got three

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Speaker 2: over the last three years basically, and those and those

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Speaker 4: But I would think one or two a game. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's not gonna happen over and over and over and over.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna do most of his work as a coverage player,

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Speaker 4: but he's played so many different positions, Like when he

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Speaker 4: call it something different because they want a bigger guy there.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want it to be kind of confused with

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Speaker 4: at times. So yeah, I think you'll definitely see more

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Speaker 4: blitz You'll definitely see more slot blitzes. And it's not

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Speaker 4: because they can't rush the passer four. It's just another

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that again in this everything, as you and

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Speaker 2: I were joking about yesterday, is kind of cyclical in

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Speaker 2: these offseason conversations, like you get back to talking about

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Speaker 2: the same things because there's only so much talk about.

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Speaker 2: But when you, I think rightfully, so back at mini

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Speaker 2: you really want to see from this team this year

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Speaker 2: is to getting back and being leading the league or

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Speaker 2: top three, top five and sacks you know he had

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Speaker 2: forty last year. That was sixteenth, right in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the league. That's not good enough for what you want.

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Speaker 4: To be and the best pass rushers in the league.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that, And yes, can you climb up

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Speaker 2: that list by you know high Smith and Cam and

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Speaker 3: Sure almost intercepted.

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Speaker 4: Ye little underthrown a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Most was that Clark out there and coverage. I's getting

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Speaker 2: a bunch of high That is hilarious. Corey Trice and

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Speaker 2: Beie Bishop were just hyping them up. All those He'll

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Speaker 2: fit in just fine.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. I assume that. I wonder if Tomlin said

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Speaker 4: go after him? Probably probably probably Smith Tomlin over there,

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Speaker 4: he's he's having a blast. He thumbs up.

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Speaker 3: You can tell nobody has. We're falling out here.

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Speaker 4: That Mike was They got Clark here in the deep,

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Speaker 2: Is that Ike Taylor in the in the in the

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Speaker 2: back of the secondary there with his with his hood up.

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Speaker 2: I can't no, Sorry, Ikes back here in the shorts

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Speaker 2: with the shorts with the hat on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was enjoying that arm still.

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Speaker 4: Out there in a too deep shell. Is they're gonna

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Speaker 4: they're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Use it there. Listen, they're putting him to work here today.

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Speaker 3: Right away.

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Speaker 2: They're going back his side of the field again. Good

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Speaker 2: pass break up there from Corey Trice on on Robert

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's such a tom the thing to do. That's

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Speaker 4: such the first time on the field. You just got

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Speaker 4: you signed a contract an hour ago. We're gonna throw

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Speaker 4: a deep ball on it.

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Speaker 3: Out of the frying pan and into the fryar. Here

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Speaker 3: we go. He's still out there. Now. I love this,

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Speaker 3: This is this is fantastic. This is why we do

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Speaker 3: it out here. Matthew. Yeah, let's see if they'll go out.

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Speaker 4: But you notice that I was just watching the deep ball.

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Speaker 4: My god, it was a great throw by Rudolph kind

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Speaker 4: of died. But you noticed that it was at the

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Speaker 3: At the new dude.

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Speaker 4: Closer.

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Speaker 2: We're playing a little closer to the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 3: That's so, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely looks like we're gonna have some one on one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for mentioning. No, same as yesterday, Same

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers in shotgun Jalen Warren to his right. He'll

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Speaker 2: He steps back. That one's gonna be short of the

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Speaker 4: Rogers is not happy with himself or somebody on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He might have hit his he's not hurting me.

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Speaker 2: He might have hit his arm, hit his arm on

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Speaker 4: He might be unhappy that they got that closed to him,

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Speaker 2: You'll get hear the quarterback exactly right, especially in this

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's again acclamation practices. But this D line,

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Speaker 2: Is Keanu Benton on the interior next to Cam Hayward

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Speaker 3: But hey, great for I mean, that was not like

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Speaker 4: That was a pretty throw.

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Speaker 3: He just he just didn't.

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Speaker 3: Impressive.

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Speaker 2: Looks like a mouth is checking out and Mount Washington

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 4: Good sign.

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Speaker 3: He's lined up to the left. Aaron Rodgers. No, it

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Speaker 4: A share amount of three receivers.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get the ball, gonna give it to Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, getting tied up exactly exactly.

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Speaker 4: He roast a lot of people on a person that basis.

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Speaker 2: But Alex Smith's had a couple had a couple of

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Speaker 4: I think he's like the most pivotal guy on the team.

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Speaker 2: Let's we need to get to a break here, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two's on the office, one of.

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Speaker 4: The most important players, one of.

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Speaker 2: One of the most important players on the team. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: let's continue that conversation. We return, We'll keep you updated

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Speaker 2: on practice. Mason Rudolph dropping back now looking downfield, finds

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Speaker 2: Connor Heyward able to wriggle free past the rookie Sebastian

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Speaker 2: Cashtros separation behavior. Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about everything happening here practice and some Roderick Jones and

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Speaker 2: offensive line conversation on the other side, West Shouler, Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: Well. Matt.

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Speaker 2: It looks like practice concluding a few minutes early here

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Speaker 3: It always works that way.

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Speaker 4: up your first next year's first in a second to

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Speaker 4: go get a quarterback and then be like, but yeah,

441
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Speaker 4: we'll want a left tackle or out of any picks

442
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Speaker 4: to do it. So that would be terrible. But I

443
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 4: think it's pretty clear to your original point that he

444
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 4: has a ton of ability. He is now a full

445
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 4: time left tackle only, which I think is his choice

446
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 4: and works out well, and I don't think they've done

447
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 4: him a ton of favors flopping him around. But that's

448
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 4: kind of how the league works too, that this guy

449
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 4: gets hurt, so you got to go over blah blah blah.

450
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Speaker 4: And he has had a lot of inconsistency. He's had

451
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Speaker 4: a lot of down moments. You know, we talked about

452
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Speaker 4: Rogers highlight tape and low light tape. His low light

453
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 4: tape is pretty rough, you know. I mean didn't play

454
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Speaker 4: a lot of football at Georgia. It's a very technical position.

455
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Speaker 3: I think he.

456
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Speaker 2: Started only fourteen games. Yeah, I want to say like

457
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Speaker 2: one season.

458
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 4: One season, and half of those games they were winning

459
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Speaker 4: by fifty at halftime, and he's on the sideline with

460
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Speaker 4: the baseball had on.

461
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Speaker 3: Including the National Championship game.

462
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Speaker 2: I think that he was a part of right where

463
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: they beat TCU, like sixty three to seven. Right, they're

464
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: eating hot dogs on the.

465
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Speaker 4: He played against the opponents, but he was always super

466
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 4: athletic and physically gifted too that he didn't have to

467
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 4: have phenomenal technique to be a good player, even for Georgia.

468
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Speaker 4: So I will say I thought he got a lot

469
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Speaker 4: better after the bye last year. I think he settled down.

470
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Speaker 4: I think he kind of got out of his own head. Yeah. Yeah,

471
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 4: I think that the bye week did him some good,

472
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Speaker 4: and it therefore seems to be trending in the right direction.

473
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Speaker 4: I don't really care what we've seen on practice here.

474
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Speaker 4: I mean again, okay, he got beat by her big, Okay,

475
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 4: you're gonna well, we'll see about that stuff when it

476
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 4: matters most sure, I don't know that he's turned the

477
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Speaker 4: corner or he's better, worse, whatever, But he's super important

478
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 4: because I don't see a great offensive tackle sitting on

479
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 4: the bench behind him that you got to fall back

480
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 4: play if he isn't great for you this year and

481
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: the big picture is worrisome if if he's not a hit,

482
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Speaker 4: oh he'd love to be, like boy, pick up a

483
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: fifty year option. This guy's turned the corner, and that

484
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: might be the case. I mean, it sounded like I

485
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 4: was talking negatively, but lots.

486
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Speaker 2: Can changed between now and you know the fall absolutely,

487
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean like you need him to at

488
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Speaker 2: least be average. You know, you need him to at

489
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Speaker 2: least be Dan Moore junior, right, you know, with the

490
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Speaker 2: potential of Mabe, the potential of hopefully, like you said,

491
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Speaker 2: you seem marked and you know, yeah, he looks better

492
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: in October than he did in September. He looks better

493
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Speaker 2: in December than he did in October type type thing.

494
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Speaker 4: Because he has had some reps in his career, including

495
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Speaker 4: last year especial year in the year where WOA, no

496
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Speaker 4: one taught you to do that, Like what what are

497
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Speaker 4: you doing? Like there'll be times he'll scissor his feet.

498
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 4: You never want your feet to be closed together. Like

499
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 4: think of like pushing over a pencil. That's easy to

500
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Speaker 4: do it without.

501
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I know that that makes a ton of sense.

502
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Speaker 3: It does. And I also I mean and and again,

503
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Speaker 3: this is the second.

504
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Speaker 2: Day of practice. The pads haven't even gone on yet. Right,

505
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: everything's a little grain of salt. But it's my opinion

506
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 2: of him hasn't changed just two days, you know. It's

507
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Speaker 2: it's it's probably also less ideal for him now, like

508
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: finally getting over to that left side, thinking you were

509
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: going to have the veteran Isaac Sayamalu there to kind

510
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: of work with here and at the start of camp.

511
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Speaker 3: He's not all.

512
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Speaker 4: Brought that up a lot these last couple of months too,

513
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Speaker 4: that he thinks that would be really really good for

514
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 4: Roderick Jwnes, you know, like continuity is so important on

515
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Speaker 4: the offensive line, but a guy to your there's only

516
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: one guy to his side. He's obviously he's not an

517
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Speaker 4: interior player. Who's going to be the smartest dude on

518
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Speaker 4: the line, the most experienced guy on the line, that

519
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 4: they can kind of grunt and communicate where stunts are

520
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: coming from or where blitzes are coming from, or split

521
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 4: the huddle and be like, man, I keep getting beat

522
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: to the inside. Well okay, I can shade your way

523
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 4: or you know what I mean, Like, I think that's

524
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Speaker 4: really gonna help him.

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.

526
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Speaker 2: And it's you know again that Isaac samlu the only

527
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Speaker 2: you know, projected starter that is true veteran, Yeah, is

528
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Speaker 2: a true veteran, is not on his rookie contract. It

529
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Speaker 2: does sound like, according to again some of the reporters

530
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Speaker 2: and journalists here, that maybe the Steelers have moved the

531
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of final fifteen twenty minutes or so

532
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: of practice to the gym area back there.

533
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Speaker 3: I never have. I never have either.

534
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Speaker 4: I assume they don't wear cleats, and I.

535
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Speaker 3: Would think you've got to change, right right right, absolutely,

536
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Speaker 3: I mean.

537
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: You know how much you really get done. But it

538
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 4: can't be. It's not the Convention.

539
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: Center, right right, Yeah, I just open it up in there. Yeah, so, uh,

540
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Speaker 2: you know if you if you're just joining us, if

541
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Speaker 2: you missed it. There's a storm brewing here and lay

542
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: trobe players headed indoors. Not really clear yet if they'll

543
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: finish up in there, come back out here, whatever.

544
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Speaker 3: It may be.

545
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Speaker 2: But if you look at the Doppler radar, it looks

546
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Speaker 2: like it's going to be a couple hours potentially of

547
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Speaker 2: kind of this this rain and thunderstorm.

548
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Speaker 3: So it might be a shorter practice here on day two.

549
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Speaker 2: But I guess at the same time, Matt, if you're

550
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Speaker 2: gonna have any practices cut short because of weather, these

551
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Speaker 2: these acclamation period ones are probably like.

552
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Speaker 4: That you would.

553
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Speaker 3: It happens every year no matter what you would choose.

554
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Speaker 3: At the same time.

555
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Speaker 4: Couple that you open the show by saying Tomlin loves heat, weather, rain, wind,

556
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: But you know you flirt with also losing a little

557
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Speaker 4: bit of time too.

558
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I will. I will never forget one

559
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Speaker 2: of the It had to be pre COVID, So it

560
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: was either eighteen or nineteen. One of those years. Man,

561
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: they had a practice out here met and it was

562
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Speaker 2: just pouring down. I remember pouring down the rain and

563
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Speaker 2: like and at one point on the sideline, like Ben

564
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: and Juju were like throwing the ball to each other

565
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Speaker 2: and catching, and like I think Juju was struggling to

566
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Speaker 2: find the ball, like that's how hard the rain was

567
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: crying down practice, And at one point he just like

568
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Speaker 2: went over and sat on the bench and was like,

569
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Speaker 2: what of what.

570
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Speaker 3: I'm I supposed to do?

571
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Speaker 4: Out Yeah?

572
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is.

573
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Speaker 4: It is y they deal with.

574
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Speaker 3: That out there.

575
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Speaker 4: There's not a true indoor here, no, you know, like

576
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 4: if it was on the south side, just go the indoor, right, Yes,

577
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: I guess that is a slight disadvantage coming out here.

578
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: So we're both in favor of it. We're talking about

579
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Speaker 4: how about how cool it is and one of the

580
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: few teams that they do it. But weather can take

581
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Speaker 4: some of your minutes away.

582
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, no, no doubt. All right, let's

583
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: keep talking about offensive line here, Matt. I think I've

584
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: done a pretty good job. I'm know it's taken me

585
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: till the second show halfway through it here before I

586
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: brought up Zach Fraser to you good, But I know

587
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: you're a fan.

588
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: You obviously know I'm a fan.

589
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: I was pounding the table for this guy about two

590
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: or three years ago when we were all out of

591
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: the combine before he even played his senior year at WVU.

592
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: You think he's got the goods to be a star.

593
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 4: In this league, I very very very much do. I

594
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: think Creed Humphrey is the best center in the league

595
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: right now. And he's a young player too, and he's

596
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: you know, it gets a little more hype than he

597
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: probably should because he's in Kansas City and you know,

598
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: a couple.

599
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: Of Super Bowl playing Super Howls, right It's.

600
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: Not the most glamorous position, as we know. But I

601
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: think Fraser, Linderbaum with the Ravens and McCoy with the Saints,

602
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: who no one pays attention to the terrible are clearly

603
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: Tier two. And they're not far behind Humphrey. It's not

604
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 4: like Dirk Dawson and then the rest of the world,

605
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So any one of those

606
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 4: guys might be number one next year, especially Linderbaum or Fraser,

607
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 4: who are sending players or McCoy's a little older than

608
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: those guys. Not that Humphrey's young, but he's already tremendous

609
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: in my opinion, Like and I would expect, you know,

610
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: progress at any position isn't linear, or we don't know

611
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: that he's gonna get better out.

612
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: But just because he's going to be a star doesn't

613
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: mean that he's going to be great in all seventeen

614
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: games this season.

615
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: No, right, But I do think having a year under

616
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: your belt goes a long way, especially at that position

617
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: with like the line calls and all that stuff, and

618
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 4: things happen so quickly on the interier and the D

619
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: line and all the different types of D linemen you

620
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 4: have to face at this level, you know, at WU.

621
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: I mean, he wouldn't face Dexter Lawrence who's three undred

622
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 4: forty pounds, and then face Chris Jones who's six to seven, correct,

623
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: you know, and then a two hundred and eighty five speedball,

624
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 4: you know, and then the twists and stunts and loops

625
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff. So they throw a lot

626
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: at you. And a lot of guys that are drafted

627
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: as centers, like Powers Johnson with the Raiders, they'll start

628
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: him act.

629
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Speaker 3: Guard guard before moving right center. Right, Let's let's give

630
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: you a little bit of time, take a little bit

631
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Speaker 3: off your play.

632
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are the type of athletes, these velociraptors you

633
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: have to deal with, and you don't have to do

634
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: as much mentally, until you know, learn the blocking stuff first.

635
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 4: But he jumped right in. I'm not ready. It's only

636
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: been a year. I'm not ready to say Webby dirt

637
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: pouncy Fraser, right, but I lean that way.

638
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: But you're optimistic that, you know, three, four, five years

639
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: from now we could be saying that.

640
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think he could be the next and

641
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: an amazing line. I guess I should throw in Jeff Harding's.

642
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion sitting in his chair.

643
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: I think before I was looking lean and mean by

644
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: the way he was.

645
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Look at all those guys, It's funny.

646
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

647
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: They either stay like Max and look very similar to

648
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: they did well the right right, or they're like Casey

649
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: Hampton and Markue's pouncy and like unrecognizable.

650
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: Ood Marathon runner wanted to do offensive lineman. But I

651
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: mean Fraser has as you know, and I'm curious what

652
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: you thought of him at WVU as well. I know

653
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: that's not as relevant to block it in the AFC North,

654
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: but amazing leverage the sets. I mean, he's toughness, hand strength,

655
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: grip strength, pretty technically sound to recognize his things, has

656
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: a nasty side to finished.

657
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: I remember Andy Whitel talking about it was the BYU

658
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: game his senior year that sold them on Zach Fraser.

659
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Speaker 2: You had like two hundred and twenty rushing yards in

660
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Speaker 2: the first half.

661
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: Wow. I was there.

662
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: We beat We beat EYU like forty eight to seven ers.

663
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: We had two hundred and twenty rushing yards in the

664
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Speaker 2: first half. Zach Fraser was.

665
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Speaker 3: Killing Mormons out there on mountain.

666
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean he was putting dudes in the turf.

667
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: And then after the draft Andy Whitehell referenced that game

668
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: like how nasty he was and how much he became,

669
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Speaker 2: how much fun they had down there watching him that

670
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: that that night in Morgantown.

671
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Speaker 4: And you know Zach a little bit right, a little bit. Yeah.

672
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: I know his dad Ray as well too. So one

673
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: of the one says, basically, long story short. One of

674
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Speaker 2: the guys that I do the WVU show with Jet Drenning,

675
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: who is the WVU Max Starks or Missy Matthews type,

676
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, play quarterback at WV Now he's the sideline reporter,

677
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: does does media stuff. Him and Zach's dad grew up

678
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: playing football together. So through Jed and doing the show,

679
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: I met Ray and Zach, you know, through the years

680
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: and being being at games and being being in Morgantown

681
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: and everything like that. Yeah, and they both Zach and

682
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: his dad have been on our WVU show you know

683
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: that we do before and and yeah absolutely, and you know,

684
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: like I travel with the with the team on, you know,

685
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: and things like that.

686
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: So like Zach and Beanie, like I see those guys

687
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: on the bus or the hotel. You know. Yeah, yeah,

688
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: they all. Right, funny story for you. It's not a

689
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: funny story for me, but it'll be funny for you.

690
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: Last year, last year's backyard brawl, we were all in Denver, Okay,

691
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: that was That was the Steeler It was Week two

692
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: Steelers at Broncos. And we fly out earlier when we

693
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: go to the West Coast, as you can understand, because

694
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: they want to give guys time to adjust the time change.

695
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: So we got in Denver pretty early in the morning,

696
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, relatively, and I think it was a three

697
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: thirty kickoff here, which was like a one thirty kickoff

698
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: out there type thing.

699
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Speaker 4: Gotchak WVU.

700
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Speaker 2: If you'll recall, Matt was up ten points with two

701
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Speaker 2: and a half minutes left and we found a way

702
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: to lose the game.

703
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: In classic WVU fashion.

704
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: Pitt scored a touchdown on a second and thirty to

705
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: get back into the game, and then they got the

706
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: ball at the end and scored and ended up winning

707
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: thirty eight to thirty four. When we had a ten

708
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: point lead with two and a half minutes left, I

709
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: was ready to fire Neil Brown on the spot.

710
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: Fortunately I had to wait a couple more months.

711
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Speaker 2: Up all right, I walked around downtown Denver for two hours, like,

712
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: why do I let a bunch of college kids control

713
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: my happiness?

714
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Speaker 3: Am I? Why am I doing this to myself?

715
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: Question?

716
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just wearing a WVU T shirt. You're

717
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: walking around Denver losing my mind, questioning my life choices.

718
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: I go to get on the elevator. Finally, when I

719
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: go back to the hotel, it opens up. Beanie's getting on.

720
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: He takes one look at me, and he goes, dude,

721
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: what the hell was that?

722
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: What just happened?

723
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: What do they do it out there?

724
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: So it is it is funny, get a little bit

725
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: of get a little bit of that with those guys.

726
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: Those are the only two WU Steelers, right.

727
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 2: Doug Nesters on the practice squad offensive offensive lineman as

728
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: well too, but yeah, Zach.

729
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Speaker 3: So it's funny you said too.

730
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Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure to bring this up to

731
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Speaker 2: you because I think you would like this kind of

732
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: how the Jackson powers Johnson thing of we're gonna.

733
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Start you at guard.

734
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but pretty quickly when you pick it, when you

735
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: pick it up, you're gonna be it will elevate you

736
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: to center. Zach and one of his years, he was

737
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: a true four year player, you know what I mean.

738
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: He wasn't one of those guys who was in college

739
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: for you know, for five or six.

740
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: Years, right, right.

741
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: He was a true four year player, older than the

742
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: guys he's pushing around.

743
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: But his first season was the COVID season, So I

744
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: think Wu, and you know the team, they all played

745
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: like seven or eight, like you only played conference games

746
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: that season. It wasn't it wasn't the full twelve games

747
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: and all. That was an abbreviated season. But he started

748
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: his first two games as a true he started every

749
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: game in four years, WU. His first two were at guard.

750
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: And I think it was a very similar.

751
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Speaker 3: Like we know this kid, yeah, I assume, I think.

752
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: So I forget it. I'm drawn, I'm drawn a blank

753
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: on his name. But I think he actually spent like

754
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: a year or two on the Eagles practice squad, like

755
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: had a couple of he.

756
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Was he was a good college player.

757
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 5: And obviously older and more experience, and and and and

758
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: then you know, Zach took off from there and took

759
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Speaker 5: over the center position, and like I said, I think

760
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: he ended up, you know, starting like the fourth most

761
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Speaker 5: third most games in school history something like that would

762
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Speaker 5: have probably been number one if not for.

763
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Speaker 3: The COVID COVID short and stuff broke. And well that

764
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: only caused.

765
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Speaker 2: Him to miss one game because it was a very

766
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Speaker 2: last game of the regular season.

767
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Speaker 3: And honestly.

768
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Speaker 2: It's a very good point because I think too and

769
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he would have played in a

770
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Speaker 2: bowl game, No one, Zach, he would have probably wanted to,

771
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, would have probably wanted to

772
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Speaker 2: play in the bowl game. But I also don't think

773
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Speaker 2: anybody would have. You know, if he would have stayed

774
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Speaker 2: healthy and not shut in his leg, He's going to

775
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Speaker 2: be a high pick faulted him for for for sitting out.

776
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: It's not like WV was, you know, going to the

777
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: college football playoff or anything. Sure, but you're right, and

778
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: that I think also kind of prevented him from popping

779
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 2: as much as he would have things like the Senior

780
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Bowl and the Combine, which probably helped the Steelers being

781
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: able to nap him in the second round as well

782
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: when you did.

783
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Speaker 4: And what's interesting too, I mean this is just a

784
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: general thing that goes back to, like the pro scouting department.

785
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: You know, looking back at that draft, it was a

786
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Speaker 4: historically good center draft.

787
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Speaker 2: And I think all three of those guys, Graham Barton

788
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: as well too, could end up being yeah, every ten

789
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: twelve year, you know, outstanding players.

790
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most people would still take Phraser first

791
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: of the three after their freshman I think the rookie year.

792
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: But I mean even Bolmmer and like, there was five

793
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 4: or six dudes that turned into starters that were Day

794
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: three picks too, So there's a lot of starting centers

795
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Speaker 4: from that class. But the Steelers, I mean, that had

796
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: to be so hard to hold your water after the

797
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: first two were off the board hoping. That's straight up.

798
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: That's straight up. But your pro scouting department is so

799
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: important with that, especially in a position like center, where

800
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: you you can narrow down the teams that will be

801
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: in the center market pretty.

802
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: Either one or you don't, right, It's very kind of

803
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: clear quarterback probably look at her out like, there's five

804
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: teams that could use a starting center, but three of

805
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: them have.

806
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: Way down on their terrible teams.

807
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Speaker 4: And then that's not going to be a second round

808
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: a top fifty center, you know, but you better. I mean,

809
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: that's a calculated risk. It was still got to hold tight,

810
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 4: you know. And what's weird about that draft is just

811
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Speaker 4: a side note is previewing it, I thought there were

812
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Speaker 4: three really good centers, and to me, I was often asked, well,

813
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 4: if they get shut out on the top three centers,

814
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 4: who would be your pick? Mine was McCormick, okay, because

815
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: he did a little bit of center previously in his career.

816
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: I think I remember you and Matt or you and

817
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: you and Matt, you and and and Dale talking about

818
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: that on one of your one of your draft preview shows,

819
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: because he's capable.

820
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Speaker 4: But he was to me the fourth best center in

821
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: that draft, as well as one of the better guards too.

822
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: But as like, wow, if they don't get him, I

823
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 4: would go get this McCormick fellow, who's yeah, could do

824
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: it too and convert them.

825
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: And that's a little bit full circle of what you

826
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: were talking about yesterday with hey, always down to nab

827
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: an extra offensive lineman because yeah, you'll probably end up

828
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: needing them at some point yep.

829
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: But this past draft didn't work out that way because

830
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: they were short on picks. And I talked about the

831
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: O line tax, but that one told me because they

832
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: didn't need McCormick, No, I mean to take that extra

833
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: lineman after taking two already and having Daniels under contract,

834
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Speaker 4: Siamalu under contract.

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Speaker 3: I was like herbig who could play that position as

836
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Speaker 3: well too.

837
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, boy, this this regime is going to do

838
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 4: things a little different with O line. So there. I

839
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 4: bet they keep attacking that in the draft year after year,

840
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: whether it's a need or not.

841
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, and I think that is smart business.

842
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Got to get to a break here.

843
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: We'll close down this second hour of the show on

844
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: what is now a quiet and a little.

845
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: Bit dark and Co's rolling in here.

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Speaker 2: We will continue conversation. Might have some player audio for

847
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Speaker 2: you as well. We were supposed to have spend sir

848
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Speaker 2: Anderson calling in. I'm not sure how that is obviously

849
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Speaker 2: going to be affected by what they are doing in

850
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: light of the weather out here as well too, but

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Speaker 2: plenty to go is Matt and I Rock en roll

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Speaker 3: Rain starting to fall here at chuck Nolfield, that old glory.

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Speaker 4: Flopping around zone.

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Speaker 2: You get the star spangled banner going. That's pretty good

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Speaker 2: with the ominous in the background there.

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Speaker 3: Over the hills, the storms rolling in. I just saw some.

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Speaker 2: Lightning in the background. The clouds are moving faster. Church

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Speaker 2: got a little should I turn the light on here

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Speaker 2: in this room? But did get a little dark in

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Speaker 2: here pretty quick didn't it.

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Speaker 4: It looks like some kind of horror movie over the church.

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Speaker 2: Over the church, there's like these funky clouds this summer.

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Speaker 3: The Exorcist Coat, Western.

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Speaker 2: Demonic wind is whipping campus pretty quiet right now. All

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Speaker 2: the fans, I think smartly cleared out of here.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they told me half.

878
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they told him.

879
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: Like you got to get all the bleachers and off

880
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: campus and everything. Yeah, Matt, you and I were, and

881
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: it is It's funny half the time, like just the

882
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: conversations that we have during the commercial breaks turn into

883
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: something that we're like, yeah, let's.

884
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: Talk about this on air.

885
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: You and I were looking over the defensive rock here

886
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: during that break, and there's it feels like it is

887
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: wide open from a standpoint of there's not a lot

888
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: of guys there that you're already like, okay, this guy

889
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: isn't making the team. Yeah, and there's there's I don't

890
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: feel as big of a core of the clearly established

891
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: guys as maybe we've had in the past as well.

892
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again like full transparency, there's a sheet of

893
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 4: paper in front of both of us. On one half

894
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: of it is all the offense and the other half

895
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: is all the defense, and I'm just sitting there with

896
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: the defense, you know, scanning it, and I'm like, all right,

897
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: that guy's not gonna make the team. That guy's not

898
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 4: gonna make a team. But that list is really short,

899
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: and maybe one or two of them, I'm just scratching

900
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: them off because I don't know who they are, and

901
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 4: they're undrafted free agents. Maybe one or two of them

902
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: shines in the preseason too. Like there's a lot of

903
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: names on here, and most of them are pretty clearly

904
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: NFL players. Oh yeah, you know, like they're gonna cut

905
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: defensive players that are going to be employed this year,

906
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: there's no question about it, especially the D line.

907
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and that's a good luxury to have.

908
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of what we were talking about. It feels

909
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: like that switch from the offensive line of the defensive line.

910
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: Like a Dean Lowry, he's been around the league a

911
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: long time. He's gonna have a tough time making the team.

912
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: He's far from a guarantee, he's.

913
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: Far from a guaranteed spot.

914
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: And he played some important snaps, some important reps.

915
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

916
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, so just think about it.

917
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they'll keep seven big people on defense.

918
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not talking about the edge dudes. I'm

919
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: talking about the guys are listed as D Lineman, the

920
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: Cam Hayward's position, noses and ends, whatever you want to

921
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: call them. They usually keep seven, and I bet they

922
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: will now Cam Hayward's making the team. Spoiler alerts the

923
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: first round pick Harmon. I don't know Benton is making

924
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: the team. So that's three right there. That are your starters.

925
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 4: I would be blown away if Black doesn't make the

926
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: team as a as a rookie. Maybe he's a practice

927
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: squad or somebody like that, But that only leaves three

928
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: spots for or Leal, who's certainly a career crossroads guy.

929
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 4: That's a list I was put together to like who's

930
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: at a career crossroads? Yeah, he's one of those. U

931
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: K Lee, the guy they signed from New England.

932
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 5: Lowry yep, louder Mil Absolutely, he's a big crossroads one.

933
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was on my list last.

934
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: Year, this fifth year in the league already, right.

935
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: Logan Lee, who I think some birdies have told me

936
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 4: they like Logan Lee a lot more than people might

937
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: want to than others.

938
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: I got that impression when we were in Tas in

939
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: mini camp as well too. I've seen Logan Lee listed

940
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: as like a you know, a cut candidate by a

941
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: lot of people. I don't think think I'd be surprised

942
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: because I think they like him.

943
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: I didn't want to put him in as he's guaranteed

944
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: to make the team.

945
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say he's guaranteed. But if I was

946
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: making a list of like likely cuts, he wouldn't be

947
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: on it.

948
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 4: I No, I think they really liked what they saw

949
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: before his injury last year and since so that is

950
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: kind of a sleeper to keep an eye on. And

951
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: then the guy that kept getting my attention yesterday was

952
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: was number seventy two auto yesterday, and I remember when

953
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: they signed him, like he's kind of interesting. But that

954
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: doesn't just named five or six names for two spots,

955
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: three spots, you know. So all those guys are going

956
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: to be employed.

957
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, they they absolutely are.

958
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: And you got a lot of different body types to

959
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: work with in that room that you like.

960
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: A lot of the awl and black don't look at

961
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: all alike.

962
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: No, a lot of different skill sets. I think stuff. Yeah,

963
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: and I think.

964
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: Take something off Camp's blade, you know, right.

965
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: And you know, I think because of how high we

966
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: all are on Derek Harmon and rightfully so, I think

967
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: he could be primed for a special rookie season.

968
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: I think people have kind of forgotten about count.

969
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: Ow Benton a little bit as well, right and I'm

970
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: expecting him to I think he'll take a leap. I

971
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: think he'll take a leap. I know last year, like

972
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call last year a sophomore slump. He just

973
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: didn't take off like everybody thought he was going.

974
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: He just did have the sacks. Yeah, he had a

975
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: lot of pressures. Dale's talked about this a lot. He

976
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: talked about how he interviewed Steph onto It at a

977
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: similar point of his career where Twott was beating his

978
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 4: man pretty consistently. He was getting better and realized I

979
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: wasn't a great finisher at the point of attack on quarterbacks,

980
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: Like wasn't I forget how he phrased it, Like I

981
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: wasn't breaking down. I was running past the quarterback too much,

982
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: and all these athletes are hard to get on the ground.

983
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: I wasn't shopping my feet bringing myself to balance making

984
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: the sack. Right, He learned to become a finisher, which

985
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: Benton is doing. The hard parts he just hasn't written

986
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: recorded a ton of sacks, and frankly through his career,

987
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: he also hasn't been on the field a lot on

988
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: third longs, right, and those type of things too, the.

989
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Situations where you're pinning, where you're pinning your ears back

990
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: and going and getting quarterbacks. Yeah, I'm with you on that. No,

991
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: no concerns from my standpoint either. In fact, actually Keanu

992
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Benton spoke earlier. Maybe we'll place some of that in

993
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour. Also John conversation with him Minik

994
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: we did. He was, he was, He was great fishing

995
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: rushing guy.

996
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: Right.

997
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: I bet you he likes I bet you he likes

998
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: being out here. I wonder if him and p Q

999
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: have any any honey holes around here.

1000
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of lakes and streams and stuff.

1001
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite yok terms. Honey hole.

1002
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: That's a good fishing or hunting spot for a U city.

1003
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: For U city folk out there that don't know about

1004
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: a honey hole, uh, from my I learned that in

1005
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: West Virginia from my grandfather when I was about six

1006
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: or seven hunting deer. I love it so, Yeah, I

1007
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: think a lot to be excited about there, absolutely, and

1008
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: like you said, it all adds up to what should

1009
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: be one of the best defenses in the National Football League.

1010
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 4: Just back to the d line real quick. I mean

1011
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: their run defense in terms of yards per carry. This

1012
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: is no an exaggeration. When Cam was on the field

1013
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 4: was number one in the league yards per carry allowed

1014
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: compared pared to the rest of the league. When he

1015
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: was off the field, it was thirty first or thirty second,

1016
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 4: which is crazy. It's crazy. It shows how good he is.

1017
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: But you can't be yes one of the best in

1018
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: the league and then your average when he's out.

1019
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: It was like three point one yards per carry was

1020
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: out there versus like four eight or something. Crazy. You know,

1021
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 4: I'm making it up. That's not that far difference, right,

1022
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: And he's amazing, But I don't he can't play one

1023
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 4: hundred snaps. You won his career to extend. You want

1024
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: to be fresh in the playoffs and down the stretch

1025
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: and the the AFC North games and tougher stuff at

1026
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: the end of season. And clearly they recognize that. Like

1027
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 4: I didn't put much faith in when they added uk Lee,

1028
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 4: but if he can be an inning eater for twenty

1029
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 4: snaps where Cam's drank gatorade and you don't go into

1030
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: the become the worst run defense in the league in

1031
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: the process. That has a lot of value.

1032
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: Great, right, right, that's a big time value. Yeah, let's

1033
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: we'll continue talking about some of that. Let's hear from

1034
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: some of these guys on the defensive side of the football. Yeah,

1035
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior and Keanu Benton. John new Smith spoke

1036
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: as well to want to want to hear that, certainly

1037
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: from one of the newest and I think exciting Pittsburgh

1038
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: Steelers that we've all been discussing here so far and

1039
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: got to see a little bit more of here today

1040
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: before practice got cut a little short due to whether

1041
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: we are still here with you looking like a little

1042
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: It looks like rain again, but it looks like later

1043
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: in the evening, so hopefully they should be able to

1044
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: get practice in as scheduled. But hey, you're also right,

1045
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: you never know, this time of year could end up

1046
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: being ninety degrees in sunny the entire.

1047
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 4: Day, first weekend day of camp.

1048
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of people here tomorrow and

1049
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: on Sunday, I would think as well too.

1050
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: Certainly we will be here for another hour with.

1051
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: You to drive out our live on location coverage for

1052
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: the day West Huler Matt Williamson. It is a special

1053
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,920
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1054
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,920
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