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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Get your game face on, bitches.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge week in combat sports, and it's an

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Speaker 1: of Morning Combat. Hello everyone, welcome this second day of May.

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Speaker 1: be all that shit. I am very excited for today's show,

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Speaker 1: I am merely one half of your hosting duell. My

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Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas. I joined you from the capital

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Speaker 2: It's great to be here out of Monday morning. You know,

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Speaker 2: I look, I get up around seven, but I get

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Speaker 2: of my fucking time. Yeah, that song's about heroin Luke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Hey, do you have a good weekend?

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Speaker 1: The fights were pretty good, the main events all kind

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Speaker 2: Right, great weekend, not just really an insane Saturday night

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Speaker 1: Yes, I also spoke to the one and only Kayla

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just thought his I just thought

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Speaker 2: It did it? Did you know? The equivalent here is

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the big difference under Perillo, along

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you be more bitter about it seven

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Speaker 1: a whole. Is Cordy Sandagan, is TJ. Dillashaw, It's Jose Aldo,

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Speaker 1: It's it's Yon Like, it's hard for anyone to beat

431
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: any of those guys. But this is by far, by far,

432
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: the very best version of him that I've seen, really mature,

433
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: veteran performance from Vera, and he should be quite proud

434
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Speaker 1: of himself.

435
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 2: No question about it. Luke, on that flip side, I

436
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 2: thought the broadcast rightfully pointed out. And look, you mentioned

437
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: the way is shoes for Font. We don't know how

438
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: that affected him, but dude, he his defense, you know

439
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 2: when he gets you know, it was like it was

440
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 2: a weird dynamic for Rob Font and that for most

441
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: of the first half of each of these rounds. You know,

442
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: he's getting off and landing big shots. It's just that

443
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: not only is Vera not showing the damage, he's not

444
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Speaker 2: going anywhere in response. Uh, Font tends to work so

445
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 2: much better when he's controlling those terms of the fight

446
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: and using, as they said on the on the broadcast,

447
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: his offense's defense. But Luke, he's finding out when he

448
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 2: does step past that line against the elites, that lack

449
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: of defense allows him to get get to get hit

450
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: up pretty big. He took big damage in the in

451
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: the Aldough fight, and it seemed like it took even

452
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 2: worse here. This is not a sustainable long term style

453
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: that's going to get him over that hump. I don't

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 2: think so at his age. It's it's potential crossroads time

455
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: for Rob five in terms of is this the highest

456
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Speaker 2: reach that you're going to get in terms of maxing

457
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: yourself out or is there one more layer and one

458
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 2: more run. You can go back to the lab and

459
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Speaker 2: find out, Luke, I do have my doubts.

460
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Should you heard at the

461
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Speaker 1: end of the fourth round, Tyson Chardier, the coach and

462
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Speaker 1: sort of the head of the New England cartel ask

463
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Speaker 1: Rob Faunt are you sure you want to go out

464
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Speaker 1: for this? Are you ready? Blah blah blah, which I

465
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Speaker 1: thought was good. Now, remember this was the same team

466
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Speaker 1: that took a little bit of criticism for not stopping

467
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: the Calvin Cator fight against Max Holloway, which I do

468
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Speaker 1: think should have been stopped given the amount of abuse

469
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Speaker 1: he took. What about this one? What about this one?

470
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Speaker 1: You have fought putting in some huge numbers and then

471
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Speaker 1: we're spawning to his coach pretty fourth rightly at the

472
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Speaker 1: end of the fourth, was there any case for the

473
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Speaker 1: corner to intervene.

474
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: You could have because of the facial damage he was having.

475
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: But it was again a weird fight in that even

476
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: though Font ended rounds two, three through five on his back,

477
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: fed up, really with the referee saying, dude, you're gonna

478
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 2: have to stand to show me that I don't need

479
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: to stop this fight. You know, I'm sure as a

480
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Speaker 2: coach you're saying to yourself, Okay, next round, let me

481
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Speaker 2: start off and take you know, notice, and if it

482
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Speaker 2: keeps going downhill, I got to stop it. But that

483
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: that's the thing is it wasn't going downhill. He was

484
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 2: then again starting off each round Rob Font with offensive success.

485
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Speaker 2: And maybe some of that is what you're saying, that

486
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: that Varius defense is a little bit more sly and

487
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: slick than we realized, whether that's rolling with shots or

488
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: able to behind his high guard absorb more than we realized,

489
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Speaker 2: so he's not taking it flush. But I think it

490
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Speaker 2: was constantly giving Rob Font fools. Gold in a false

491
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: sense of security in terms of where he's at in

492
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: this fight, where you know, he just put his head

493
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Speaker 2: down and kept going at it offensively, and I think

494
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: if you're in your cour in his corner and you're

495
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: watching that, you're like, well, this is what our guy does.

496
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: Only again, it wasn't winning rounds because of the surges

497
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: Vera was doing at the end of each one, and

498
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Speaker 2: it wasn't getting him any closer to a stopage Luke.

499
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Speaker 2: So I don't blame his corner, and it's really hard

500
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Speaker 2: to blame him. I mean, look, he was the betting

501
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: favorite come in. I don't think they necessarily thought Vera

502
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: would come in this confident and poised as you mentioned,

503
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: and sort of evolved, right, There was an evolution here

504
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: for Marlon Vera and taking his savage, violent ways, but

505
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: adding some of that Trevor Whitman just engage. He's sort

506
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: of you know, control to it and you know it

507
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: just I think this is one of the toughest losses

508
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: you can find at this level, and that's why I

509
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: question whether Rob Falk can get over this hill and

510
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: keep climbing, or whether this begins the inevitable decline and

511
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: he is in his mid thirties, Luke, because he's got

512
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: to feel like he went out there and showed the

513
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Speaker 2: very best of him, only it didn't do anything, you know,

514
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: and that's that's a tough pill to swallow.

515
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: Well, that was the thing. It was like by round

516
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: But after he got dropped in round three, I thought

517
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Speaker 1: round four you would have seen potentially more takedowns.

518
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: No.

519
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Again, Rob font is a professionals professional. So when he

520
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: misses weight, that's not because he was eating too since

521
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I would very much doubt it's because he wasn't trying

522
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: to manage his affairs. My guess is he was gonna Saya,

523
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Speaker 1: you were.

524
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: Gonna say, Tarah Massoux, weren't you mother?

525
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh? Why I wasn't. I was just going, I mean,

526
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't go to all these stupid old meme jokes

527
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: that MM fans can't let go of ten years after

528
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: they're no longer funny. But the point I'm trying to

529
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: make here is if he's missing weight, that means something

530
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 1: went wrong in camp. I really believe that he just

531
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: he's not the kind of guy to do this sort

532
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: of thing, and so it makes you wonder like what

533
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: he was really capable of But you know, man, if

534
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: you can't level change for a takedown or even threaten

535
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: one against its dude. It's not like Vera as easy

536
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: to beat off of his back. He's got a very

537
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: good active guard. But you're getting torched on the feet

538
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: here a little bit. And I would say, you see,

539
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: like who's face was worse by like, you know, the

540
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: round before the fight was either over or got stopped,

541
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: Robed Font or Eric's than Lubin. Now you might say

542
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: Lubin was more swollen. Okay, fair, that's fine, And there

543
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 1: was more time left in the fight, okay, But at

544
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: the same time, dude, Rob Faughont's face heading into the

545
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: fifth round was a mess. It was a disaster. I

546
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: think it's one of those cases, b see. Getting back

547
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: to the original question about whether you could stop it

548
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: or not, it was a tough one. Yeah, I don't

549
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: think there was any clear answer to this one. It

550
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: was a little hard to say, in part because Rob

551
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: had put out so much effort into making sure there

552
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: was you know, he was at least doing enough work.

553
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: You couldn't accuse Rob Font of doing enough work, the

554
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: right kinds of work, the right kinds of attacks. Maybe

555
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: something a little bit different. But he was trying, but

556
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: his face was getting ug I mean, I don't know.

557
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: It's a tough call. Also, at least they tried to

558
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: ask him in the corner and to sort of gauge things.

559
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: Was always going to be a gray area, and the

560
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: coach is always going to know things about the fighters

561
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: that we don't write. I mean, sometimes that blows up

562
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: in your face when you're Rocky Pennington's corner and the

563
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: Amanda Newness fight and you're sending her out to the

564
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: fifth round when she's saying no, that's bad. But in

565
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: this case, it's like, it's funny, that's the same coaching.

566
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: But I defended Calvin Cator despite you know, absorbing a

567
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: record number of strikes, staying in that Holloway fight and

568
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: them giving him the chance to go the distance, not Luke,

569
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: not for some type of moral victory of hey, I

570
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: didn't get stopped at least. But I have to believe

571
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: and I think Calvin Cator has done things since the

572
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: Holloway loss to hedge this opinion and full respect for him.

573
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: He's back, he's got a big fight coming up. He

574
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: bounced back with a big win. But in that moment.

575
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: If you're Calvin Cator's coach against Holloway live on ABC

576
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: in a main event, that really you win that, dude,

577
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: You're in the freaking title picture. I wonder if the

578
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: coaches for rob Von thought the same thing in this fight,

579
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: meaning this may be the top of the food chain

580
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: for him, this may be the furthest he ever gets.

581
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: So let's give him the chance in that window, because

582
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: you get very little of them at times in your career.

583
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get one chance, eminem, right, but give him

584
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: that chance to sit down at the table with mom

585
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 2: spaghetti and potentially rally and come through, because on the

586
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: other side of that is damage. But it's it's potentially

587
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: you know your your title shot, you know you're you're

588
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: maxing out of your career. So I mean, you could

589
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: tell me that that's romanticize bullshit, Luke, but the coach goes.

590
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: The coaches no more than anyone what they got in

591
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: their fighter. They know what buttons to push, and you know, to.

592
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Me, the Raquel Pennington and man in Nuna situation was

593
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: I think his corner just flatly got it her corner,

594
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, just flatly got it wrong. And I think

595
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: their defense of it afterwards, did them no favors. In

596
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the case of Calvin Cator, I I had a conversation

597
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: with Tyson Chartier. Uh. You know, privately I expressed that

598
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: I thought that it probably should have been stopped, but

599
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: I recognize there are some difficulties in that one as well.

600
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: And this one, to me, I don't think is anything

601
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: remotely approachate approaching a situation where Pennington looks to her

602
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: corner and says, I want out, and then they just

603
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: forced her back out there. You know. Vero, excuse me,

604
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: fought was about it about it to his credit. I

605
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: just mean to say, when a corner has a situation

606
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: where that Calvin Cator fight is in there back pocket,

607
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: and then you have another fighter going out in the

608
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: fifth round of their face as a disaster, how do

609
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: you judge that? In this case, I think we should

610
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: give the benefit of the doubt to the corner because

611
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: it is so gray. The other ones, to me, are

612
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: a lot less gray. That's all I would say about that.

613
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike are unlike our respective heads of hair.

614
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, yes, this is your hair is a lot

615
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: less gray, but only because you buy ten dollars just

616
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: for a minute, Walgreens. Mine is a lot grayer, It's

617
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: a lot greyer, It's a lot.

618
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: A lot of that accusation is true. I do buy

619
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: that Walgreens.

620
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: To be fair, You're like, is this shoe polish? Fuck it?

621
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Let's ride all right? All right? We stay with UFC.

622
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: Now for topic number two, which is the UFC has

623
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: to confirm this. But there were some media reports corroborating

624
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: in a few different directions about some huge heavyweight fights

625
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: that are coming down the pike. The two that they

626
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: say are on the table to be booked. Again, not official,

627
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: but looks that way. Cyril Gone will take on Tye

628
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: to Evasa and in a different car, and I believe

629
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Speaker 1: Tom Aspen we'll take on Curtis Blades OKBC. First question

630
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: here again, we'll go to you. Do you like this matchmaking?

631
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Do you like the way that these fights were arranged

632
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: for these fighters at this moment in the UFC heavyweight division?

633
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Obviously hard to complain because we get what we want

634
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: in the end most times by UFC, and that's just

635
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: incredible as a fan, as a journalist, whatever, and these

636
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: two matchups does open the door for what we should

637
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: be getting. We probably will in September, which is John

638
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Jones versus Steve A. Miochic for the interim heavyweight title.

639
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Perfection right, whether or not Francis is coming back. But Luke,

640
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't love these two, and particularly the gone to

641
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: Ivasa won. And it's like, I mean, I almost feel

642
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: too Avasa got that Derek Lewis fight a little bit

643
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: too early. Only he to his credit, kicked that fricking

644
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: door down. But Luke's styles ultimately make fights, and this

645
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: is such a poor style matchup for ty to Evasa

646
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: that it's like, man, I would have loved a lot

647
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: more just switching those two. Meaning, look, do I like

648
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: the idea of tom Aspinall headlining a July twenty third

649
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: London card, Yes, But tom Aspinall versus Taie Too Ivasa

650
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: to really figure out which rising heavyweight has next is

651
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: not only a much better style matchup. And on the

652
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: flip side, would you like Cyril Gon versus Curtis Blades? Yeah, yeah,

653
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: I think I would, Luke, But I don't say this

654
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of being a two Vasa super fan

655
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: or you know, harping on the idea that his ceiling's

656
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: gonna come soon, Right, He's gonna hit it soon. But dude,

657
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, on paper, Luke, he can't win that gun fight.

658
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: Come on, you know that?

659
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, on paper that it's a very difficult fight, very difficult,

660
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: know that shit?

661
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: And what are they gonna do it in Paris? Okay? Cool?

662
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: But like I'd almost rather given Ghana stay bit and

663
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: I guess this could end up being, you know, a

664
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Speaker 2: well rapped, a nicely wrapped stay busy in the end

665
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: if the styles play out the way we think they do,

666
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: And can I do I believe Cyril Gon can dance

667
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: circles around to Ivasa and not get it by the

668
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: big one. Yes? Do I believe sar Gon's also in

669
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: the gym right now working on wrestling after and Ghanu

670
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: out wrestled him for the championship. Yes, so I know

671
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna come back even better than ever. But you know,

672
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Tuivas is an interesting marketable bonus right now because he's

673
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: actually going Legit mean, he's always going to be the

674
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: carnival fun and games, blood and guts, drink out of

675
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: his shoe, knock dudes out guy. And you could argue,

676
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: b Se, even if he takes this ol to Gon,

677
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: he could just keep being that guy. Yes, but this

678
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: is the window of his absolute pure rise, and I

679
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: don't know if it's time to send him in there

680
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: to that boss named Sarah Gon. Look, I don't know

681
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: if it's time. I don't think so.

682
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. It's like, let's think about this.

683
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: If you had done the opposite, switching the opponents a

684
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: little bit, so you do now. By the way, just

685
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: to be clear, Cyril Gon versus Tui Vasa is expected

686
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: to be a five round headliner September third in Paris,

687
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: first reported by Ari Hawaane. So if you switch the

688
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: if you do, not Gone versus Tuivasa, but Gon versus Blades.

689
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: That was the very fight that I thought should have

690
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: been next for both because to your point, what we

691
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: saw was Francis basically use his wrestling to take the

692
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: fight late. And so you're like, well, there's some larger

693
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: questions here about how much of a liability this actually is.

694
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Blades would be the perfect test. Plus Blades is put together.

695
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: He had the loss against Derek Lewis, but he's put

696
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: together overall a pretty interesting body of work where you

697
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: think he could be a title contender again beating if

698
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: he did it beating Gon would put him right back there,

699
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: So that's one that I thought would make sense. In

700
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: the other case with Aspinall, I actually don't mind the

701
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: blades fight because that's a hell of a test for

702
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: him too. But you would have thought that someone like Aspinall,

703
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: like Gon, already had a title shot. So now we're

704
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: trying to recalibrate exactly where he falls in that top

705
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: five space. With someone like Aspinall, he obviously has all

706
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: the talent in the world, but I could see giving

707
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: him a slightly slower role than maybe what you're treating

708
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: Gone with who's already at the top of that division,

709
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: and giving him someone like tui Vasa, who was also

710
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: needing a bit of a slower role. To see how

711
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: those two contenders, who you know, I would put Aspenall

712
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: ceiling probably higher than Tuivasa, But to credit to Tuivasa,

713
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: they're not too far apart in this division in terms

714
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: of what quality wins they have put together at this point. Obviously,

715
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: beating Derek lewis Tuivasa a monster moment for him. It

716
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: just seemed like that was the more natural pairing. But

717
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, you see you have to understand

718
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: the matchmakers may have tried that and been unable to

719
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: make it. For whatever reason, they weren't available, they didn't

720
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: want it. Who the hell knows. This can go in

721
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different directions. I'll say I don't like

722
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Gone versus TUIs Vasa. It's a very difficult fight for

723
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: Tui Vasa to win, and it could be boring by

724
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: the way. On the other side, though, I wouldn't poo

725
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: poo that one. Aspinall versus Blades is a hell of

726
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: a fight. If Blades beats Aspinall, dude, Blades would have

727
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: one of the best resumes for a guy who's lost

728
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: twice to Francis. Like, you know, those wins, those losses,

729
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: he can't he can't just immediately get over there. They're bad,

730
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, especially because he got lumped up and stopped.

731
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: But the reality is, you look at the rest of

732
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: his wins, man, they are amazing. On the other side,

733
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: if Aspnau could beat someone who at this point is

734
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: not just good at wrestling and Curtis Blades, but obviously

735
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: his striking has come along way as we get as

736
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: I saw on his last bout. And then on top

737
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: of it, you already know about the wrestling behind it.

738
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: So you got the striking now who that's developed, yet

739
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: the wrestling behind it, the veteran experience. Dude, I'm telling you,

740
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: if Tom aspinall beats Curtis Blades, that is as validating

741
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: a win as it comes somewhere in that top five placement.

742
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: That would be a huge win for him, and that

743
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: of course will be on an unnamed card. Yet in

744
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: UFC London, expected to take place on July twenty third.

745
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: If that's going to be September, you might as well

746
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: put that as the co main event to John Jones,

747
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: step Ameochitch.

748
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: Just no, they're saying, they're saying July, they're saying July.

749
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, Two quick questions regarded to heavyweight matchmaking. One,

750
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: do you agree with the with the recent sentiment that

751
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: this is, if not the most deepest, at least the

752
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: most fun group UFC heavyweight has ever had.

753
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I was living through the days of Tim

754
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: Silvia versus Gan McGee, So if you guys didn't live

755
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: through that, you don't quite understand how good it is now.

756
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: The only comparison, Luke, would be that quick era of

757
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: lesnar Car when JDS.

758
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: Caine, Yes, but the difference was that was super electric,

759
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: but it was a little top heavy as well.

760
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Well you did have Mirror and Randy Cooter and a

761
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: couple others. I mean, it was still pretty damn good.

762
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then Kator went back to light heavyweight after

763
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: he lost the title, and so you can't really say

764
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: he was like a long raining member. He had that

765
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven or six resurgence when he came

766
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: back out of retirement and beat Tim Sylvia and then

767
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Gabril Gonzaga. But I would say this, this is clearly

768
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: the UFC has put some effort into like rebuilding this

769
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: division and then making sure that they had some talent

770
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: that they developed, and really they really have done a

771
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: good job bringing to the state. It's in To me,

772
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: it's the It's like you ever eat a sandwich and

773
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: like certain parts the guy who made the sandwich, they

774
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: made it really well, but they didn't like smear the

775
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: mustard all the way over the breads. One of the

776
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: parts of the sandwich, like.

777
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: This is to be the most fail Like why.

778
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Is there road salt in this? And banana peel?

779
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, can I finish the mother point to hair

780
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: out and just float it and.

781
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: Keep eating you You're gonna keep going until you stop.

782
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: I mean, all I'm trying to say is this is

783
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the most evenly distributed, well made sandwich I've seen in

784
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: terms of the the overall just depth of the UFC division.

785
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Each one has its limits and its and its strengths,

786
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: but overall, like you just look at how about Romanov

787
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: from Saturday as well? Dude, that guy's a fucking hammer

788
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, so yeah, there's a nice solid

789
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: group there.

790
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So back to the sandwich. If you find the

791
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: hair in it you had, you're you're put in it

792
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: in an interesting spot. If you're at the restaurant, you

793
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: can eat.

794
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Your fucking sandwich. Wait, what do you think that hair

795
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: did to your food? I think that food aids.

796
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: It's the way I was raised. I know, you got

797
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 2: all bitchy there, like a like a like a post

798
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: arrest Jared from Subway, you know. But no, Luke, I

799
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: can seem pretty. I can interrupt you during an important,

800
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: so called important rant to ask you the more important

801
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: questions anytime I want, Luke, I do think, though, because

802
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: you do have to add big nog to that era

803
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I do think that era, and you

804
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: have an overream that came in as well. I think

805
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: that era had the the deeper collection, but like you said,

806
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 2: with the weird uneven Sandwich comparison, we never quite got

807
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: everybody to face each other in the right order without

808
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: injury or without upset that we could have maybe sort

809
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: of like the heavyweight boxing argument, where right now I

810
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: don't think we have the historically deepest group ever comparative

811
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: to the nineties or seventies, but we've got a great group, hungry,

812
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: willing to fight each other. That are you know, fun?

813
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: We have that now, dude, We've got that right now.

814
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of really potential great I don't

815
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: know what it's going to look like. I mean, the

816
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: fact that stepe A never walked away, John's coming up,

817
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: Francis make come back, Gone, all these aspinall on the rise.

818
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a great group. But my final

819
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: question related to this is Sean Shelby's new matchmaking Beard, Luke,

820
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: you in on it or not? He's going for it

821
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: right now.

822
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that. Uh well, I don't want to blow

823
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: up his spot, but that's that, that's that, that's a

824
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: midlife crisis. Beard, I know about that.

825
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: We can. We got hats for that coming to the

826
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: MK store soon sewn, so you'll be you'll be fine. Imagine,

827
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: imagine if somebody caught Sean Shelby in the wild with

828
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: an MK piece of clothing on, that'd be that'd be

829
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: a viral moment, Luke.

830
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: That I don't think that would ever happen, but that's funny,

831
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: all right, BC, let's talk about this very quickly. Then

832
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: we'll move to the next part, which is ty to

833
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Evasa is sitting at three gone at one. Dude, if

834
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: Tui Vasa wins, that he might be or new. I mean,

835
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's step A and John. But like, if

836
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm tied two Evasa and I'm sitting at three and

837
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I fight Cyril Gone and I win, dude, I'm gonna

838
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: say I'm I'm due for a title shot. I mean,

839
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: I realized that. You know that claim is debatable, but

840
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: it's not. It's a it's a strong one. Blades and

841
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: aspinall are sitting at four and six. So the winner

842
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: there probably still has a little bit more work to do. BC.

843
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: If you're tied to Evasa and you win this, that

844
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: like you should get a title shot.

845
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's that's the weird uh you know, dichotomy

846
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: of this if that's probably the wrong word in the

847
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: wrong time, But meaning, are we complaining that it feels

848
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: like UFC matchmaking is kind of cashing out a championship

849
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: level potential version of Tuivasa too early. Yes, But on

850
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: the flip side, you know, high risk, high reward. Yeah, Luke,

851
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: he probably ends up fighting John Jones for the full

852
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: championship in Marvel Stadium down Under for all we know

853
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: if he wins this, so no shortage of of big

854
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: opportunity and look, a guy like him, he'll take it. It

855
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who he's fighting, right, He's gonna go in

856
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: there with the lunch pail in the big right hand

857
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: and probably I don't know, drink a full shoe of

858
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: shit water at the end. Whatever he's got to do, Luke.

859
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just don't like this, Okay. Look, and

860
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: you know, in hindsight, I do apologize for interrupting your incredible,

861
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: you know analysis.

862
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: For some I don't think it was incredible. It just

863
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: wasn't done, that's all. It just wasn't finished. I mean,

864
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: I just that's all I want to do, is just.

865
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: Go, Okay, I'm the asshole. Yeah, I'm the asshole. Okay, great, Yeah.

866
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit, a little bit. That's all right,

867
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: We're used to it, all right. BC. Let's go now

868
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: to your first love. Let's talk a little bit of

869
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: boxing topic number three. Man, I mean, what what a night,

870
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: What an incredible night. They sold out nineteen thousand in

871
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. Amanda Serrano drops a split decision victory

872
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: for obviously a loss for her, but a victory for

873
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor after ten rounds. So pretty interesting scorecards. We'll

874
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: talk about that here just a second. But first things first, BC,

875
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: number one, how did you score it? Yeah? And number two?

876
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: This was was this the best women's fight of all time?

877
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Contextualize what happened on Saturday night for us?

878
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: I think it really was. It's funny, you know, I

879
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: do see it. I do see some curmudgeony, responsive like

880
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: love the event. But the fight was very good, not great. Now,

881
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: the fight was great and Luke ultimately in the end,

882
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: the ten round, two minute round, you know, dinosaur system

883
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: that the women's leap boxing still still has to govern under.

884
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: Do we want that to go away? Ahead of the

885
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: rematch I do, but I'm not gonna sit here and

886
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: say it didn't provide a foundation of absolute excitement, Luke,

887
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: because both fighters knew the limitations in front of them

888
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: two minutes to work with. Gotta get in, gotta be quick,

889
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: gotta let your hands go. But also you can't let

890
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: your opponent shine too much too. I think that raised

891
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: the anne the intensity. Obviously, that crowd came came to

892
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: make this a great fight. Iris background Puerto Rican background,

893
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: New York City background, boxing background. The people showed up,

894
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: Luke for whatever their reasoning was, and it was like

895
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: being at a concert where you watch the band come

896
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: out and they're like, you know, I don't know if

897
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna give our best tonight, but then the crowd

898
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: wills them to. Everything associated with this fight, from the

899
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: promoters to the fighters themselves. It had a chance to

900
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: be great, but I feel like everybody put their best

901
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: foot forward and somehow made it even greater. So how

902
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: did I score it? Six rounds to four for Katie

903
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: Taylor ninety six to ninety four. Could you have gone

904
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: to ten eight round in round five, as one of

905
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: the three judges did for Serrano? You could have Could

906
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: you have scored it for Serrano six to four. Whatever. Yeah, look,

907
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: this is the ultimate in my opinion. However you scored

908
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: the fight, You're probably right type of fight because in

909
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: two minutes a lot can happen. And as much as

910
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: Serrano was throwing more and landing more as we saw

911
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: according to CompuBox, and the rounds that she won were

912
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: more dominant. Without question, I do feel in too many

913
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: close rounds she allowed some beautiful late surges from Katie

914
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Taylor of just clean, accurate combination punching in big spots

915
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: to really leave the door open a bit. And I

916
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: think it's it's like, look, was this best case scenario

917
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: for boxing? Yes, this was a classic fight. It's disputed

918
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: to a degree, but without robbery or ineptness in the

919
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: scoring right, it was just sort of like that's what

920
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: the three judges preferred. But it sets the stage for

921
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: at least one, if not multiple rematches. It really and

922
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: this is again where you give credit to Eddie Hern

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: and Jake Paul. It really reached a different level outside

924
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: of boxing, of casual sports, fans of casual combat, fans

925
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: of just people right there on the damn Today Show.

926
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: How did this not play out? Absolutely perfect. Look, this

927
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: was perfection across the board. I think this is your

928
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: leading candidate for fight of the year altogether in boxing.

929
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: I think it's the best women's fight I've ever seen.

930
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: Although you know, Katie Taylor and Pursue was great. We

931
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: saw Jonas was in a recent one. I forgot the

932
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: opponent she had, which was a great brawl. But no

933
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: for the stakes involved, for the fact that both fighters

934
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: actually elevated both their individual games and the sport along

935
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: with it. Dude, this was a joy to behold, and

936
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: the fact that both afterwards were so classy, so professional,

937
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: so sportsman and basically said, Okay, I thought I won,

938
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: but credit to my opponent. But look at what we did.

939
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean to see a man of Serrano on social

940
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: media and even in a post fight interview be like,

941
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: look at what we did. We proved that women can sell.

942
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: You said we couldn't do this, and we just came

943
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: out here and gave you a frickin' thriller. Dude, this

944
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: was It's it's the chef's kiss, Luke. If you want

945
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: one fight, and then maybe it's unfair to put that

946
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 2: pressure on one fight, but if you want one fight,

947
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: to kick open the doors and really complete a transaction

948
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: that could change the landscape moving forward. We got it, Luke, Well,

949
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: I mean, can you put on your your crusty old

950
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: boxing curmudgeon hadn't find anything bad to say about this, Luke,

951
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: outside of maybe Chris Mannis's scorecard. I mean, what do

952
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: you got here?

953
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Mannis had a fight. He was getting murdered

954
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: on social media for a scorecard. It did seem a

955
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: little pro Serrano in real time. Although I here's a

956
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: couple things to follow up on what you said. This

957
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: is one thing that folks just need to sort of

958
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: wrap their around. There is not one scorecard that is acceptable.

959
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: Not only that, in a fight this close, you can

960
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: make a claim reasonably by following the scoring criteria to

961
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: have an argument for either competitor. The range of what

962
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: is acceptable literally extends in either direction of the ledger,

963
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: not just one round here or one round there. You

964
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: can make a case for either component or either opponent here,

965
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: and you must understand that is a fair interpretation of

966
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: the scoring criteria. So I just want to be clear

967
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: about that. If I thought Taylor deserved it in the end,

968
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: because I thought serranobc the thing that thought was a

969
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: little bit weird for me. Was she made that fifth

970
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: round push and maybe if that was a three round

971
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: round or three minute round, excuse me, yes, maybe Taylor

972
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make it out for the six I don't really know,

973
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: but you know what it felt like to MEBC, And

974
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean this genuinely. Have you ever been at like

975
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: the end of a workout and you're like, Okay, I'm

976
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna run this last lap or whatever she's gonna sprint,

977
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna empty the tank just to make sure you

978
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: have like a great, finished, strong, fear good you know

979
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing. And it felt like she

980
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: did that and then needed a cool down moment, And dude,

981
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: she gave Taylor all the moments she needed, all the

982
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: moments she needed to just recoup, and then sniper sniper

983
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: shot her over the top for basically the rest of

984
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: that fight. All those ups a little more to it

985
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: than that.

986
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: I think Serrano gave away. Okay, so round five, she's

987
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: got her hurt. Look, I almost thought you could have

988
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: stopped it at the end of round five. Would have

989
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: been controversial.

990
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Butt. My point is, dude, I've never seen I've seen

991
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor fights before. I've never seen her hurt like that.

992
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw her get buzzed by person, she

993
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: was fed up, look like out on her feet a

994
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: couple times. And like I said in the in the

995
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: post fight show Saturday, Luke, some of our favorite fights

996
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: of all time included fighters that were like constantly out

997
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: on their feet but still fighting through on instincts. So

998
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: it's a gray area. But my point is, I think

999
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: Serrano thought she's gonna come out in round six and

1000
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: go for the knockout, but it didn't happen because of Katie.

1001
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second, but I think

1002
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: five and six really emptied out Serrano's gas tank. Maybe

1003
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: maybe you know, because look again, in a two minute window,

1004
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: if you open up an opportunity to preventtion, to potentially

1005
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: finish somebody, you've got to go after it because you

1006
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: only get two minutes and then they get a minute rest.

1007
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: I think Serrano kind of threw her gas tank a

1008
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: little bit, and so round seven she gave it away,

1009
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: was passive, and then I think she was a step

1010
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: behind in eight, nine, and ten despite it being so close.

1011
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, I think this fight was one and the

1012
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: stand Katie Taylor did in round six, the round after

1013
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: she was almost knocked out. She was the fighter coming

1014
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: on in the second half of round six and backing

1015
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: up Serrano. And you're just like I knew Katie Taylor

1016
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: was great. I know, like you know, conditioning motor, you know, aggressiveness, technique,

1017
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: all that. Her hand speed surprised me that it was

1018
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: faster than Serrano. But Luke, I never imagined her to

1019
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: be that tough. I think she won the fight seriously

1020
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: with that stand in round six. That showed Serrano, I'm

1021
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: gonna be here, you know, for as many as you're

1022
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: willing to stand with me. And Luke the final thirty

1023
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: seconds of round ten were like.

1024
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: I mean, forget about it, which fucking epic, amazing, dude,

1025
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: these two. For folks who missed this fight, I don't

1026
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you're doing with your life. They

1027
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: stood and I'm not even doing like a bit here,

1028
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: like in the center of the ring. No, no, no,

1029
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: the literal center of the ring. Thirty seconds bite down

1030
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: on the mouthpiece and just go. And it was and

1031
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: they both were eating huge, huge punches. Let me say

1032
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: something about the rules, BC, because I think that's part

1033
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: of the story. As well, which is watching this fight

1034
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: it made me reflect on some of my criticisms of

1035
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: women's boxing, and I think I'm gonna withdraw several of them.

1036
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: This was the first time that a women's boxing fight

1037
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: made me really reconsider some of the premises under which

1038
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: I was operating, which was that, I mean, yes, we

1039
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: all knew that like the various stakeholders of boxing, from

1040
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: the commissions to the promoters, have been total absentee landlords

1041
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: in trying to create a place for women to have a,

1042
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, a role in boxing in a more full

1043
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: throated way. They've they've basically thrown their hands in the

1044
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: air and said, yeah, if it happens, it happens. If

1045
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't. And obviously that there's difference here

1046
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: with what Jake Paul and Eddie Hearn had done, but

1047
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: in general, you know, that's been the attitude. So what

1048
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: I would say is I think that you know, maybe

1049
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: we could I would might hold on to like the

1050
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: glove size issue a little bit, but other than that,

1051
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: this was that first fight where I thought, you know what,

1052
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: really the issue here is people just haven't tried enough

1053
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: to make a place for them. They haven't tried to

1054
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: recruit them. They haven't tried to properly train them. They

1055
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: haven't tried to make space for them in the gym,

1056
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: they haven't tried to make space for them on fight cards.

1057
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: They just haven't done to invest anything. And in that sense,

1058
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: MMA is far ahead of the game. Actually, but it's

1059
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: this I think this event might help us catch up.

1060
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: But I do think BC, while it is true that

1061
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: Eddie excuse me that to Amanda Serrano was offering to

1062
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: do twelve rounds three minutes and Katie Taylor declined, probably

1063
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: for some smart strategic reasons, it does seem to me

1064
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: that while I can agree that places like tennis, for example,

1065
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: and I don't speak for the tennis community in any capacity,

1066
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: maybe there is a little bit more accommodation of doing

1067
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: three cents versus five for the women versus the men.

1068
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: That's up to them to side. But BC, this was

1069
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: a fight that really kind of said Jesus Christ. Even

1070
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: when these women are promoted correctly, and you cannot deny

1071
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: they were not promoted correctly. They were promoted very very

1072
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: well here and everyone did their job, and everyone did

1073
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: a great job with it. These rules of ten minutes

1074
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: two rounds. These aren't insult. These are total insult.

1075
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like late to the party for anyone to

1076
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: even say that right now, because we've been saying that

1077
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: for two three years whenever a decent.

1078
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: Love.

1079
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: But like, you know, this is an argument that that's

1080
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: so the point of me saying that is it's an

1081
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: argument that's already like three years too later, past due.

1082
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: It's just finally I think enough people saw the reason why.

1083
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if this great fight had two more

1084
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: rounds at the end and they both could have just

1085
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: gone for it. Imagine if each round had that extra

1086
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: minute where when, as you mentioned, Taylor was hurting round five,

1087
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: you know there's a good chance you get stopped right there. So, yeah, Luke,

1088
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: hopefully this is the last time I do you feel

1089
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: American promoter specifically in boxing where And I say American

1090
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: because you know, remember the movie Million Dollar Baby, which

1091
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: we don't speak of because it's I.

1092
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Mean, what a It's like, well, here's a great story

1093
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: about triumph. Oh wait, no, paralysis never mind?

1094
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, I know it's like, you know, here's

1095
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: a you could take your Oscar winner, Okay, you can

1096
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: shove it up your ass Clinton. All right, that the

1097
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: journey you took, the detour you took us on. I

1098
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: did not ask to go on that. But my point

1099
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: is that movie illustrated where women's boxing was. You had

1100
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: to go to Europe to make money in to fight champions.

1101
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't think American promoters were willing to take the chance.

1102
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: They also didn't have super marketable fighters, which is usually

1103
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 2: the reason why people get involved. It's why Christy Martin

1104
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: became a thing in the nineties when they were throwing

1105
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: her on Don King, Mike Tyson cards and she's knocking

1106
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: people out, and you know, it's like, oh my god,

1107
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: we got a female butter being only you know, that's disrespectful.

1108
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: She was actually, you know, pretty damn skilled. But you

1109
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: get my point now. It needed, though, Luke and I

1110
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: say this a lot because it's important. It needed the

1111
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: legitimacy of allowing women into the Olympics in twenty twelve,

1112
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: to build up a few years simultaneously with UFC women's

1113
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: fights just you know, becoming main event headlining type things.

1114
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: I think for female boxers to go, it's worth it

1115
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: for me to apply my craft here. There may be

1116
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel of opportunity and money.

1117
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like when you said, we finally

1118
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: got to see how great it can be. The only

1119
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: I'll defend on boxing promoters who tend to look the

1120
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: other way at women's fights, with exception of Loudabella, so

1121
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people were shouting him out. He tried to,

1122
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: like hell to get Serrano this fight years ago when

1123
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: he was a promoter, and it fell apart. But Luke,

1124
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: we also had the number one and two fighters in

1125
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: the game today, sure, and really two of the best

1126
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: fighters of all time. So I don't want to say

1127
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: it's like a fool's goal commercial that they're all going

1128
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: to be as great as this moving forward. They're not,

1129
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: and they weren't the few times, you know, some women's

1130
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: fights did get elevated, But that doesn't mean you don't

1131
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: build that foundation because now that moments like this are

1132
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: possible in front of that crowd, Like Luke, it didn't

1133
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: make Have you seen this shit because I found it late?

1134
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: But did you see that video that's circulating of the

1135
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: zoom in of the referees instructions in the middle of

1136
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: the ring at MSG before the start of the fight,

1137
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: and Srono looks over at Taylor and goes, I can't

1138
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: believe this, like holy shit, Like, Loo, look.

1139
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: At what we did here.

1140
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: It needed this to get people to realize that there's

1141
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: something here. But this thing here women's boxing also needs

1142
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: depth and it needs you know, parody, and that can't

1143
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: come unless these all these other things happen like a legitimate,

1144
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, amateur system producing new pros through the Olympics.

1145
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: But Luke, it feels like it's all coming together and

1146
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: these were the two right women at the right time

1147
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: who gave the right performance. Do we need a rule change, yes,

1148
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: but I think we'll look back at the lack of

1149
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: a rule change made this fight so damn great, Luke, But.

1150
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: It was incomplete they thought with it. Yes, they fought

1151
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: within the confines of that rule set to maximize their performance,

1152
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: but I think they could do that at under a

1153
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: different rule set as well. Also, I just want to

1154
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: point out when I started covering MMA, I remember eledexc

1155
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe it was Leadex. I think this was true.

1156
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: This is definitely true. When I first started covering MMA,

1157
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: even televised women's fights initially were just three minute rounds.

1158
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: So I have lived through a different rule set for

1159
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: women in MMA, watching on TV, being like, why the

1160
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: fuck are these three minute rounds totally messing up all

1161
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: the action? Then those rules getting changed, and then you

1162
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: watched everything beyond just the rule set itself. Obviously, Ronda

1163
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: ROSSI came the whole nine yards, but I'm saying I

1164
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: lived through the changing the rules, and all it ended

1165
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: up doing was making it better. It is very difficult

1166
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: for me to believe at scale long term this fight

1167
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: potentially notwithstanding, but long term, that having ten minute two

1168
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: rounds is the very best way to promote women's boxing.

1169
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: It seems to me that it's more a hit a

1170
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: handicap than it is a help.

1171
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: And I feel bad for Cloressa Shields in one way.

1172
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: And I know sometimes she annoys people or she you know,

1173
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: she can be tough and she believes in her you

1174
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: know what she believes.

1175
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: She definitely doesn't squat to depth. I can tell you that.

1176
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's true as well. But you know

1177
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: I like that. To Zone brought her in to be

1178
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: an analyst for this fight, but even her, she was like,

1179
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: I want this, I want to be an event, this big.

1180
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like, you know, there's an equal

1181
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: yet for me that can pull this out of me.

1182
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: And I think it's unfortunate, Luke that to some degree

1183
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: that you know, this country has not again in a crowded,

1184
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, sporting team, sporting you know scenario, hasn't embraced

1185
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: Corsia shields despite two Olympic gold medals, the way that

1186
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor has in both Ireland and the UK where

1187
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: she's a sporting hero. Where you got Eddie Hearn after

1188
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: this win calling her the greatest athlete in Ireland's great history,

1189
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: to where you know, it takes a lot of things

1190
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: to start a revolution, but it took a Katie Taylor,

1191
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: and it took a promoter like Eddie Hearn to take

1192
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: her fight seriously and say I think I've got something

1193
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: here where grassroots wise, people just want to see her win,

1194
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, in like a pride way that I don't

1195
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: think Clarissa Shields ever had going for her. That this

1196
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: country just never got behind her. And you know, I

1197
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: hope she ends up getting her moments, and I hope

1198
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: the next generations that followed you too, because of Serrono

1199
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: and Taylor and Luke to be greedy, I hope Sorono

1200
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: and Taylor get a couple more moments against one another

1201
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: because the rule set of this first fight. It made

1202
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: a thriller, It made an all time great moment. But

1203
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: because we're sitting here disputing going, you know, if you

1204
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: thought Taylor won, I think you're right. If you thought

1205
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: Sorono run, Noan's gonna argue with you. It's sort of incomplete. Like, Okay,

1206
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: Taylor won the first fight, Yes, but the war ain't over.

1207
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: And I hope that these two continually get the big

1208
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: placement in pay Days to keep fighting one another. Could

1209
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 2: you see a trilogy here, Luke?

1210
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: Can you see it? Can you see a trilogy? They

1211
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: were talking about having a rematch in Ireland. Sign me up,

1212
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: Sign me up. But I would also say I do

1213
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: not want to see a rematch. Yes, of course I'll

1214
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: take a rematch if that's the only way to have

1215
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: one is with ten minute to ten two minute rounds.

1216
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: But I really leave, I really believe either extend the

1217
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: number of rounds, extend the minutes, do both. Ideally we

1218
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: need to get more along those lines, and I should say, BC,

1219
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: we're getting back to Clarissa Shields. Listen, we can't expect

1220
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: every fighter to do everything for women's boxing, each one,

1221
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: each fight, each moment, each career, they all contribute to it.

1222
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: And she's obviously done her best to make women's boxing

1223
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: more but she needs she needs help. She needs help

1224
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: from the promoter, she needs help from the sport. She

1225
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: needs people to sign up, she needs she There's just

1226
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot of work to get what the disrepair that

1227
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: the state of the game is in. Now. This event

1228
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: showed that there could be I mean, this event should be.

1229
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: This was this was the insight to the event. This

1230
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: was the key takeaway. Could you imagine a future where

1231
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: women's boxing could be this more regularly and that everyone

1232
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: of all all combat sports varieties could sit down and

1233
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: enjoy something that is so obviously good. Yes, dude, that

1234
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: was not even possible a month prior. This was one

1235
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: of those Eureka moments that snaps people out of it.

1236
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: He included, and I've been very jaded on women's boxing

1237
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: that just say, wow, this could be so much more

1238
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: than it is to ask Clarissa Shields to be like this,

1239
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, savior of it. It's just it's not that

1240
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: you're doing that, but I'm saying the pressure on her

1241
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: more generally, there's only so much she can do now Seeah.

1242
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I was going to ask you a question,

1243
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, as a police came to a potential rematch

1244
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: and Eddie Hern wanted, you know Croke Park, which I

1245
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: they'll dead wrong me Luke that I called it a

1246
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: soccer stadium. It's apparently a Gaelic arts stadium.

1247
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they do the GAA game the it's

1248
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: their version.

1249
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: Of I've done a lot of hurling, Luke the morning after,

1250
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, some some long nights, but.

1251
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: I've done some hurling at stuff we recorded for MK

1252
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: in the sink.

1253
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: True, there's truth in that, I think. Look, both both

1254
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: fighters fought great and had an argument to win. I

1255
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: think as it pertains to a rematch, if it went

1256
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: to the twelve round three minutes for the rematch, I

1257
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: think Serrano would be the rightful favorite. But let's just

1258
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: say we're getting a rematch with the same rule set.

1259
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: I still believe Amanda Serrano can raise her performance, yes

1260
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: to levels that I don't think Taylor can get. You meaning,

1261
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: I think that's the very best of what thirty five

1262
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: year old Katie Taylor has and it was brilliant and beautiful, awesome,

1263
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: and tough as nails. I mean, she, dude, she she's

1264
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 2: like a folk hero and she deserves to be one

1265
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: like her whole life is about faith, humility and training

1266
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: for this to represent her people. I mean it's incredible.

1267
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: I think Serano wins this rematch, though, Luke, no matter what,

1268
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: I think she's that good and I can't wait to

1269
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: see how both adjust when we get there. If they

1270
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: did not, if they made a decision the powers that

1271
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: be in boxing not to change that two minute round

1272
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: ten minute ten rounds setup, do you think it does

1273
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: produce more fan friendly fights though, as this women's boxing

1274
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 2: sport tries to really gain you know, the kind a

1275
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: foothole that never has before.

1276
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I mean sort of you know what.

1277
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: That is a perfect segue to the next topic, which

1278
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: is still on this fight. So let me transition a

1279
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: little bit, but keeping that question the center of the

1280
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: next round of discussion, let's go to point number four,

1281
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: which is, you know, is this fight the boxing equivalent

1282
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: of essentially what Rauci versus Carmush was, or maybe earlier

1283
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Cyborg versus Krano something along those lines to that point.

1284
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: B See, when we got to the point where UFC

1285
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: had brought them in. We had Rawsi versus Carmush. We

1286
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: had a situation where I think even as you know

1287
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: Barren as the cupboard was relative to how it is today,

1288
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: there was still the sport was a little bit more

1289
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: prime time ready, right. So when we asked the question,

1290
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: is Taylor versus Serrano, is that the boxing equivalent of

1291
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: Rauci versus carmusch I don't think so. To me, BC,

1292
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: it goes back to what we had with Cyborg and

1293
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: Krono when the sport was in a different state, in

1294
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: a different era, back then where it's going to be

1295
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: the very next big one. However, many years from now

1296
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: that really is this electric moment, we're still in a dude,

1297
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: We're still in a part of the sports development where

1298
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: they don't even have the same rules. It just can't be.

1299
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who these other women are that they

1300
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: can go. They can pivot to what promoter can pivot tomorrow.

1301
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: Clarissa Shields okay, Mikaela Marra okay. But where else can

1302
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: they go to pivot to put on some big fights

1303
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: Now that there could be some more interest around it,

1304
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: there's still a ton of work to be done. So

1305
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: to me, this is a watershed moment in the history

1306
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: of women's boxing, but it is one among many that

1307
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: has to happen before there is a rightful turn to

1308
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: where this is a more regular kind of thing.

1309
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: You need momentum and as big as Cyborg versus Krona was,

1310
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: and it, dude, it was big. I mean it was

1311
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: really big. You needed Rousey versus Tate one under the

1312
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: Strikeforce banner not long after that, which which if you forgot,

1313
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: that fight was just a constant reversals and change a

1314
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: position on the ground and just like will Shed get

1315
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: the arm bar in? Oh my god, who this Tate

1316
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: is crazy? You know, and and they're both hot chicks

1317
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: and they're going nuts. But then, Luke, you needed you

1318
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: FC buying in and making this Rousey Carmouse thing as

1319
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: big and giant as it was. I think that the

1320
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: good news again is that this first fight was so great,

1321
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: so commercially viable, and so disputed in the end that

1322
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: they may make up these two fighters alone. If they

1323
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: can get a rematch, that's even bigger. And then you know,

1324
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: if they can get a trilogy, they can do a

1325
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: great job on their own building that momentum. But in

1326
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: terms of the larger spirit of your question of like

1327
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: who else who's next? There are promoters who have dug

1328
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: in deep. Eddie Hearn has a fair amount of promising

1329
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: women's fighters, you know, under his Matchroom Sports stable and

1330
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: has been featuring them. You know, really kind of for

1331
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: this moment for us to go, Okay, these two women

1332
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: were incredible. What else you got? He's got a few

1333
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: of those. You know, they're trying to make this big

1334
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: Clarisia Shield Savannah Marshall fight. You know he had, they

1335
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: had Jessica mccaskell the broadcast. They're really trying to show

1336
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: you and let's give ESPN a top rank credit with MICHAELA.

1337
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: Mayer and now Genny Fuse who was a US Olympian

1338
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: and just made her debut on that last Mayor card.

1339
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: You know, you're starting to create more. I think there's

1340
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: less political and you know, promotional and network things in

1341
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: the way of the best females fighting the best females. Luke,

1342
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: It seems to be that there's this there's this cooperative

1343
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: effort right now within boxing to allow women's boxing to

1344
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: have a big moment without impeding it. That I don't

1345
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: think I've ever seen before or ever imagine seeing the

1346
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: fact that ESPN and Top Rank were willing to delay

1347
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: their main event, which you could argue was on paper

1348
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: at least just as good, if not better. It didn't

1349
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: play out that way. The women's fight ended up being way,

1350
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: you know, much more exciting and sort of producing topics

1351
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: to speak about. Doesn't take away from SHAQR. Stevenson's performance,

1352
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: but like everyone worked together for this moment to be

1353
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: as big as it was, right Jake Paul coming in

1354
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: as the promoter, Like everybody made it work. I can't

1355
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: tell you how many curmudgeons that hate everything about boxing

1356
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: are going, damn, those women were great, and I want

1357
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: to see it again. You're gonna need momentum, but you're

1358
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: gonna need everybody going, Okay, i've got a you know,

1359
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: promising women's fighter. You've got one too across the street.

1360
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: Let's make that fight happen. Luke, there's no reason why

1361
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: we shouldn't. But boxing has always been a game where

1362
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: you got to prove you're viable, not that you deserve it,

1363
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: that you viably you know, commercially deserve it. They just did,

1364
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: and I still almost cannot believe that this was a

1365
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: main event in the Big Room at Madison Square Garden

1366
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: and that it sold out, and like.

1367
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: What would be the criticism of this fight, I honestly

1368
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: don't know. The promoters did their job, the fighters did

1369
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: their job, the fans did their job. Everyone did their job,

1370
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: and it was home run. Check Mark after check mark

1371
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: after check mark. They all can't be that. But on

1372
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: that night Saturday, it was as special as they come.

1373
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: It was a completely read redefined I think what it

1374
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: meant for the average boxing fan to enjoy women's boxing,

1375
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: it really did.

1376
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we have pivoted out, although

1377
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: there still seems to be a few, but like, here's

1378
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. They used to just as

1379
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned Miss John last episode, who was a you know,

1380
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: legitimate boxer but posed in Playboy, and they used that

1381
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: to Marketer. I feel like we're, you know, we're finally

1382
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: getting out of that rather than like, you know, it's

1383
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: like you wanted to find a women's boxer who could sell,

1384
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: and sometimes that meant you know, oh they're cute, you know,

1385
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: it didn't matter if they can fight. We're not thinking

1386
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: about that type of mindset for the most part anymore.

1387
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: And I think that was ultimately what made Women's mma

1388
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: was the fact that, yes, you did have somebody like

1389
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: a Rousey who was cute and a good talker and

1390
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: a good backstory. But when you put them in that

1391
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: they fought, and that's what's going to win it in

1392
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: the end. In this group right now, across the board,

1393
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: across all weight divisions, this group of five, six, seven,

1394
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: how many you think there are of truly elite women's

1395
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: boxers right now? They're the real deal. They're willing to

1396
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: go out there and perform and execute and pete. So

1397
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: you don't need the gimmicks, you just need great fights.

1398
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: I think that door is open now. I think you know,

1399
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna take some more time, but I think that

1400
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: door is open. Look, that door has not only been

1401
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: shut closed, like you know, we're building up barriers in

1402
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: front of it, Like don't we don't need that now?

1403
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: We want that because because women's boxing deserves it. It's

1404
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: it's a long time coming. But I can't believe we're here.

1405
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: I can't believe that fight was that good. I can't

1406
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: believe Emma she was sold out. I can't believe Twitter

1407
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: was on fire. I don't believe what I just saw.

1408
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: Also, we should maybe have like a bit of a

1409
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: moment to say something I think I think is pretty true,

1410
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: which is the not every part of the world, and

1411
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: not even every part of this country, but in general,

1412
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: there does appear to be across both genders a growing

1413
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: appetite for women's sports. And I'll give you some examples.

1414
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: Obviously this would be one of the fact they're able

1415
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: to do what they were able to do, but the

1416
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: WNBA has never been more popular and over in your

1417
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: I know you don't care about this, but if this

1418
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: would have serves the argument BC, you're beginning to see.

1419
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I think in Barcelona they had ninety thousand tickets sold

1420
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: for a women's soccer game over there. Ninety thousand. I mean,

1421
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: even for a place that's so soccer as obsessed as

1422
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: Europe and Spain in particular, that's a crazy, crazy number.

1423
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: And so what you're beginning to see is I think

1424
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: more relaxed attitudes about well, I'm not gonna watch that.

1425
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna give it a chance again. All

1426
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: the other pieces that have to be in place here,

1427
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: but there does appear to be men saying hey, you

1428
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: know what these women can. They can perform in ways

1429
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: that I previously suggested was not entertaining. And maybe now

1430
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: those attitudes are becoming I don't know what the words

1431
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: you want to use, more progressive, more enlightened, whatever it

1432
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: may be. And if you're a boxing promoter BC, you

1433
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: should be looking at that, you know. And again we've

1434
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: got to be honest about the motivations of boxing promoters.

1435
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: But if those attitudes are changing and you can actually

1436
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: bring in women into the fold to as your audience,

1437
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: not just none of your participants, but now your audience,

1438
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: you can only row the pie of what kind of

1439
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: available market is there as well long term play, I understand,

1440
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: But just reading the tea leaves here a smart boxing

1441
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: promoter like Eddie Hearn and some others will see are

1442
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to sort of tap into this ground

1443
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: swell of interest and turn it into real money, but

1444
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: turn it into real boxing as well. Well.

1445
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: And you need that next class right whether it be

1446
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: like the next Olympic class or those young female pros

1447
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 2: right now, to get ready quickly and get elite quickly,

1448
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: because all of these names that have been around for

1449
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: a little bit, I mean, look at you know, Katie

1450
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: Taylor has been famous ever since you turned pro, but

1451
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 2: there's very few Katie Taylors. You know, Serronto had the

1452
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: toil behind the scenes. Now that all of these primetime

1453
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: players are here, we need that next generation to make

1454
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: fights against them. So it's going to take time, Luke.

1455
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: But you could not have asked for a better kickoff.

1456
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 2: And I can't believe you slipped the word pie in

1457
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: talking about women's box and get out of.

1458
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: Here with that shit.

1459
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: Just stop it pie pie, Yeah, keep it going.

1460
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: What's wrong with the word pie?

1461
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 2: Three point one four? It's fantastic, you know at all?

1462
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: Five nine seven repeating? All right, so let's go to

1463
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: point number five then, and then we'll close it here

1464
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: for our top five topics. Boy, shakurse Stevenson. I mean,

1465
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 1: Oscar Valdez tried, but he can't really do shit. Shaquer

1466
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: Stevenson completely outclassed him. No, he didn't get the stoppage

1467
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,480
Speaker 1: I thought might have happened, but he chewed him up basically,

1468
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: with the exception of a couple of moments here or

1469
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: there from pillar to post, especially late in this fight,

1470
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,480
Speaker 1: Valdez had nothing for him BC. He didn't get the stoppage.

1471
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: So was this the real kind of a rival moment

1472
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: of Shaquurse Stevenson as not just a very good boxer,

1473
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: not just a champion that can unify titles, but the

1474
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: next big thing in the sport. Was this the breakout

1475
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: moment that his supporters had anticipated?

1476
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 2: Good enough? Right? Would you have loved some resounding stoppage? Yes,

1477
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: but let's put a little respect on formerly unbeating Oscar

1478
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: val does his name. I saw a lot of people going, man,

1479
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: what a shitty performance by Oscar Valdes. Do you guys

1480
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,440
Speaker 2: realize how great Shaquerse Stevenson is. I hope this performance

1481
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: woke people and for anyone saying again, Luke, I said

1482
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: this on the post show Saturday. We still don't know

1483
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: what this guy's got for a backbone and chin, you know,

1484
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 2: ability to get off the canvas and switch, you know,

1485
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: and switch the momentum of a fight. But he's so

1486
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: sublime offensively that we may not find that moment for

1487
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: a very long time. And it's going to be so

1488
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: fun to watch. It's if he was doing this as

1489
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: a boring, backward pedaling, defensive boxer. You could enjoy the

1490
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: craft but criticize but even without a stoppage here, Luke,

1491
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: you saw him, he stood right in that pocket and

1492
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 2: his ability to use that lead hand. I know he

1493
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: got warned a lot for probing and using the hand

1494
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 2: to sort of stick it in valdez It's face, but

1495
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: he can do whatever he wants at all times and

1496
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: still avoid getting pieced up by a very capable guy

1497
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: in Valdez. I know he used to be a brawler,

1498
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: but he's got quick hands, he's got craft. There were

1499
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: some things he was doing that were very smart to

1500
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 2: try to mix things up lead with the double right hand,

1501
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: anything to try to break the momentum here in the moment,

1502
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 2: to broke him. Luke, I mean, if you didn't already

1503
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: have a hipster pick like I did, having him in

1504
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 2: the top ten pound for palm before this, then after

1505
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: this performance, if he's not, you know, five six seven

1506
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 2: right there, then I don't think you know shit about boxing.

1507
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't think you know what you're watching because this

1508
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: guy has it. Okay, I don't know what it'll be commercially.

1509
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: I think you know he's a funny guy, he's got

1510
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: a personality whatever, But that's not even the thing, Luke.

1511
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: He has it in the ring in ways at this

1512
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: age that so few boxers ever have. Again, it's blasphemous

1513
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: to say, damn, that kid's the next Floyd Mayweather. But

1514
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: again there's a reason why we don't say that a lot,

1515
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: because we don't see a lot of next great Floyd Mayweathers.

1516
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: And he might be that. There's a little Parnell Whittaker

1517
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: in him, there's a little pretty boy Floyd in him,

1518
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of Shaquer Stevenson in him. And Luke, dude,

1519
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: tell me I'm wrong. This is a special, technical, exciting fighter,

1520
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: not gonna blow guys away, not gonna one punch knock

1521
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: out you. But you're also not gonna touch him. And

1522
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna stand right in front of you and he's

1523
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 2: gonna light you the hell up. Dude, Like, I don't

1524
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: know whoever your favorites are from one thirty to one,

1525
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: maybe even one forty seven in the next few years,

1526
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: they're all unnoticed. This guy's coming. I don't think anyone's

1527
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: gonna go on to go out of their way to

1528
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: fight him on the highest level. I mean, what else

1529
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: do you need to see? This is this is the

1530
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: real thing right here. This is a future pound for

1531
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: pound king, who's coming the hell on?

1532
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I tweeted this on Friday or on

1533
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: the fight night. Excuse me, BC, and I stand by it.

1534
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: It's like, whatever you want to say, he lacks in power,

1535
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: because you know he towards the end of that fight

1536
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: he was letting some power shots go, but early on

1537
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: there they were a little bit few and far between.

1538
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: But okay, let's say that there's an issue with it. Fine,

1539
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: he makes up for it with literally everything else. Everything

1540
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: else a boxer could do, he can do. He can

1541
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: catch and shoot, he can parry, he can pivot, he

1542
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: can he can switch stands. He can bully, he can

1543
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: back up, he can do all of it. His movement

1544
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: is extraordinary, BC. His balance, his balance is out of control,

1545
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: especially even when I'm not just talking about maintaining an

1546
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: upright posture with footwork and then pivoting to do that all.

1547
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: He can do that too. But when he has to

1548
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: get what he has to shift weight and then pivot

1549
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: and then move, he's never stumbling, he's never tripping, he's

1550
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: never leaning and having to catch himself. He's always exactly

1551
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: where he needs to be. His assessment of range and

1552
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: distance and shot selection is unbelievable. He knows exactly what

1553
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: the assignment is. He can do it all. He's he's unbelievable.

1554
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: He is so sharp, and he does remind me of

1555
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: Floyd BC. But I would say, granted, whatever you want

1556
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: to make about the power, fine, but number one, he's

1557
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: only twenty four, right, so he has time to develop

1558
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: some of that as he gets into like twenty eight thirty.

1559
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, what I would say

1560
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: BC is for as much as the Floyd comparisons I

1561
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: think are fair, I would still say, and this is

1562
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: this is less true if you compare him to pretty

1563
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: boy Floyd versus money. But the what I'm trying to

1564
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: make is, dude, he's an offensive act, offensively active fighter.

1565
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: He was pumping the jab relentlessly, whether to the body,

1566
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: doubling it up, hooking outside. It wasn't like he was

1567
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: taking long rounds off to show you his defense. The

1568
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: offense was there. He's a lot like Erol Spence in

1569
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: that sense, where like once once the power drill starts going,

1570
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: it just drills all the way through. Now again, how

1571
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: much you want to say about what kind of damage

1572
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: was there? Look at Oscar Valdez's face, and dude, listen

1573
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: to Oscar Valdez at the end of that fight you had,

1574
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: who was it? Bernardo Osuna was up there asking him, Hey,

1575
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: what adjustments were happening? What can you say? He's like, Man,

1576
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. The dude can just

1577
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: do everything. What do you want me to say? Like,

1578
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: he's just he's just fucking amazing. Like he had no

1579
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: real response other than that guy was just better and

1580
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything I could do about it. We're twenty

1581
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: four years old to have that kind of ability and

1582
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: the sharpness, the detail, the refinement. Holy shit, folks, this

1583
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 1: is true of every fire. Only father time and mistakes

1584
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: are going to get him. But and if you think

1585
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: about Shaker Stevenson, father time is a long way off

1586
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: from getting him. And the mistakes he doesn't make a

1587
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: whole lot of them, folks. He makes almost exclusively good

1588
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: decisions with extremely well rounded ability. BC. I don't know

1589
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen if he moves up with the power

1590
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: and everything else. It is a it is a worthwhile

1591
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: discussion to have. But in terms of boxing craft, who

1592
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: is on his level?

1593
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: I do not know, very very few it's a great point,

1594
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, it was the same thing

1595
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 2: of when we would watch this is where the Floyd

1596
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: comparisons are app Like Shakur Stevenson does a lot that's

1597
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: flashy that you can go, damn look at those combinations,

1598
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: the darting in and out, but a lot of it

1599
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: is so subtle, as you mentioned, so you can miss that,

1600
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: like when we'd watch Floyd do the same thing against

1601
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: an un charging Robert Guerrero in that pay per view

1602
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: and you're just sort of like, man, Guerrero sucks. Why

1603
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: can't he do anything here? And it's like you don't

1604
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: realize how much somebody it can master this sport on

1605
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: this level until you watch like that. Oscar Valdez is

1606
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 2: a very very very good fighter, and I mean, Luke,

1607
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: he was. You know, I did have people tweeting him

1608
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: me going, you got me to watch this fight, but man,

1609
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: this fight sucks. Now, this sucks. No, Shakur is really

1610
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 2: that great. So you know, Floyd had to adjust his

1611
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: style to almost exclusively defensively defensive and pot shotting at

1612
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: the higher weight classes. But a lot of that, Luke,

1613
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 2: was really because of the hand issues and the problems

1614
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: that he's had. If Shakur doesn't end up with that

1615
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: same type of problems, yes, he's gonna have to be

1616
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: creative when he climbs away, specifically when he gets up

1617
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: in forty and forty seven against these legit punchers. But

1618
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: he's showing you right now that he has ways of

1619
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: just owning the distance in space in front of him

1620
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: and just you know, being the mace stro I mean,

1621
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: this is next next level for a guy who had

1622
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: a great amateur career silver medal in the Olympics, and

1623
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 2: a guy you know who bringing in k Coroma now

1624
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 2: as his co trainer. And if you don't know that name,

1625
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: you know he's a youngish guy who's had such great

1626
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: experience in the US amateur level, molding so many great

1627
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 2: fighters who came through there. I know, you know, Chaquers

1628
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 2: still have his grandfather in his corner. But like he's

1629
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: got the right minds. You know, he's aligned with team

1630
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 2: Bud Crawford and bow Mack and all those guys. Big

1631
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 2: fights to come, Luke, and I think he's going to

1632
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: be at lightweight sooner than later. Considering we're finally going

1633
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: to get some clarity there with Cambosis and Hani fighting.

1634
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: But I don't know about you, Luke, when I look

1635
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 2: at the next eighteen months and you say, okay, Chaquur's

1636
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: twenty four, He's got two titles, not one third. He's

1637
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 2: probably gonna have a mandatory or two to deal with.

1638
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 2: But who's the next big fight? I should be getting

1639
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: fired up for, dude, with the exception of Spenson Crawford,

1640
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: which is its own thing and we deserve it, and

1641
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: we've been waiting, and possibly with the exception of Tyson

1642
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,839
Speaker 2: Fury fighting for the undisputed heavyweight championship, which is a

1643
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: different kind of event. Circle your calendar, have to see it.

1644
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: Chakus Stevenson versus Vasili Lomachenko might be the best way

1645
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 2: you can make in boxing from a critical standpoint, from

1646
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: a crossroad standpoint of the next young big thing against

1647
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: the current thirty four year old wizard who still got

1648
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 2: it on the pomper pound level. I know Lomachenko's tied

1649
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: up with the conflict in Ukraine right now, and he

1650
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: turned down the chance to fight Cambosis for all the

1651
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: belts at one thirty five, But he can still make

1652
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: one thirty with ease, Dude, If top rank, which promotes

1653
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: both fighters starts to build the groundwork for this. I mean, Luke,

1654
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 2: that's one of those fights where when you hear it's announced,

1655
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: you can't stand up, you can't come out from behind

1656
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: the desk because you look like Connor McGregor at the

1657
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 2: Floyd Wayans. You know what I'm saying. You know where

1658
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm going.

1659
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: With this, Luke, I don't.

1660
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 2: Actually, you'll be rock hard with emotion. Ugh, you'll have

1661
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 2: a phoner. Okay, Luke?

1662
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Sorry? Thinking like, is there something else other than dickenballs

1663
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: that BC could potentially be talking about?

1664
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, do I just speak into a vacuum Sometimes

1665
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: I do, Luke, because I repeat a lot of things.

1666
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 2: But Luke, I mean does that fight do anything for Yeah?

1667
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, of course. I mean that would

1668
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: be that's like too good to be true. You know

1669
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like too good to be

1670
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: true that I could even see that happening. But but

1671
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: this is where I want to go. The Lomachenko fight,

1672
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: if they can make it, would be incredible. Let's assume

1673
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: for a second that they can't make it for whatever reason.

1674
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: He wants to go back to the Tiofi Malopez or

1675
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: who they hell knows who else could Shaquer Stevenson fight

1676
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: that you could care about it. Maybe it's a more

1677
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: pedestrian name, but perhaps more likely.

1678
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 2: Let me look at the rankings at one thirty. You know,

1679
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: obviously the easy answer is if he decides to move

1680
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: it to lightweight sooner than later, then you're talking about

1681
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: everybody there. You're talking about the potential superfights with the

1682
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: Javonte Tank Davis with you know, the winner of.

1683
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,480
Speaker 1: The Disson Davis at one thirty impossible.

1684
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Deronta Davis is lingering basically, but you one thirty,

1685
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: one forty. I don't think Dravonte is gonna make one

1686
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: thirty ever again. I think that Leo Santa Cruz one

1687
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: was the last one. But the idea of doing this

1688
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: at one thirty five, you know, great harder to make

1689
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: than the others. It's probably more realistic if not Lomachenko

1690
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: and the next big fight would be trying to hook up

1691
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: and fight the winner of Devin Haney of Cambosis. Haney

1692
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: has left, you know, Mattrium Sport in his own I

1693
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: believe he's now aligned with ESPN through this multi fight

1694
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: deal that he signed through Co Promoters Bob Aaron and

1695
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: Lou Debella to fight cambosis, you know, essentially twice. But

1696
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: you know how boxing works is you see a gray

1697
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: fight and then typically got to wait around for some mandatories. Luke,

1698
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: if someone plans on, you know, keeping those belts because

1699
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: they attempt to put some meritocracy into this broken system.

1700
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 2: But as I look at the one hundred and thirty

1701
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: pound rankings, I mean, is there someone I'd love to

1702
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: see him against?

1703
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: Not really?

1704
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: Really, not really. There's a bunch of you know, young

1705
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: Leo Santa Cruz is still there. It's not an easy

1706
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 2: fight to make. Chris Colbert was rising just to t Yeah,

1707
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, would you like to see him against Robinson Concesio,

1708
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: who has that really strong amateur background from Brazil, who

1709
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 2: gave it, you know, to Oscar Citon Valdez. There's there's

1710
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: some fighters that you could get interested in, but the

1711
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: big names, the big money, Luke, it's Loma. It's one

1712
01:20:59,080 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 2: thirty five.

1713
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, and he's too good for anybody else.

1714
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: That'll be interesting as hell. So phenomenal, phenomenal win by him.

1715
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: Okayb see that is it for our top five and

1716
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: for us asking each other questions. Now it's time for

1717
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: the viewers to ask us. It's time for dms from

1718
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: dogs bump.

1719
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: He haw he haw.

1720
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: And of course we always put out a post on Instagram, Instagram,

1721
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,520
Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat or Morning Crime on Instagram.

1722
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: We put up a post on Sunday asking for these people.

1723
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: Fill them up, the producers pick them. Here we go, Yeah,

1724
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: bring your a game.

1725
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: All right, let's go.

1726
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: At O'Reilly seven four two? Oh oh O'Reilly? Is there

1727
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 1: too much hate? Excuse me? Is there too much made

1728
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: of multiweight division champions in boxing? As the weight gap

1729
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: between divisions is relatively small. This is from a non

1730
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: boxing enthusiasm. What do you make when someone says I'm

1731
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: an a division champion. It's like yeah, but it's like

1732
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: you're like two pounds apart.

1733
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 2: Yes, there is. The boxing title system is a joke.

1734
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: Not only are there seventeen weight divisions, which is something

1735
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: that I just don't want to see in sports. I mean,

1736
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: I would you know, do I want to go back

1737
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: to the original eight? Well, I'd love to, but no

1738
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: one's gonna do that. No one's gonna go back to what, like,

1739
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, bantam weight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight.

1740
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: We're not going back to you know, the original six

1741
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: or eight or whatever. Some sort of middle ground would

1742
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: be great, but not only does boxing. And look this

1743
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: is again, I don't want to be I don't want

1744
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: to be dark and cynical here because I want to

1745
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: welcome everybody to the boxing island that came over for

1746
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: the trip. Right, you know, I want to say, yeah,

1747
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: looks like this all the time. Right, We've got seventeen

1748
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: weight divisions. We also have four recognized champions in terms

1749
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: of the four sanctioning bodies per division. Sometimes that becomes

1750
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 2: five when the lineal mythical Ring magazine belt is around.

1751
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: And then, Luke, as you already know, within that four

1752
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 2: sista sanctioning regulation system, you got the people like the

1753
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: WBA and the WBC floating out multiple champions per division.

1754
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: So there are situations where this is a lot of bullshit. Again,

1755
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: Adrian browners the the best face of this. If he

1756
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 2: never fights again, Luke, he goes down as a four

1757
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: division champion. But like how this system works is like

1758
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, the sanctioning bodies are constantly stripping guys of

1759
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: titles and putting titles up, you know, for vacancy against

1760
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: two guys in the rankings, and you'll notice, why does

1761
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 2: one sanctioning body rank this guy I've never heard of

1762
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: number one, but the other three don't have him ranked

1763
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: at all. Right, So yeah, there's a lot of bullshit

1764
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: in this game. That's why we do care about things

1765
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 2: like lineal Champion because you know, it kind of cuts

1766
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: through the bullshit. But also we're seeing a turn up

1767
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: of late in terms of let's unify and let's become undisputed.

1768
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: It was so hard to get this five ten years

1769
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: ago because people are unwilling. There's a willingness now. And

1770
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: I've said it before and I said it again. There's

1771
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: a new generation of fighters that are coming that are

1772
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: separate from the Mayweather Pachia generation that seem to want

1773
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: the damn smoke. You're seeing Gervonte Davis like kind of

1774
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: publicly break up with Floyd Mayweather. Now again, I don't

1775
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: know what that means, Luke, if he's gonna, you know,

1776
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: go to another network or another promoter, or just stay

1777
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: put and not work with Floyd, And I don't know,

1778
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: But the point is you're seeing fighters want to take

1779
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 2: control of their own destiny and say, Okay, I've made

1780
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: some money, but I don't want to just keep making money.

1781
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: I want to make my name. I want to make glory,

1782
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: I want to make history. So you have to pick

1783
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 2: and shoes within this. I almost like what belts matter

1784
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: to you? And I know that's hard from the outside

1785
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: looking in. Sometimes it's hard if you're on the inside

1786
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: following boxing week a week, week to week, because there's

1787
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: a lot of shit in this game, Luke. But luckily

1788
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: you have people like us who can help you tell

1789
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: you don't step on that shit pile. But yes, unwrape that,

1790
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: unwrap that one. It could be worth it for you.

1791
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm I'll just add to it, like

1792
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: obviously there are too many belts and too many weight classes.

1793
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: But part of the claims like, oh we how do

1794
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: we solve weight cutting in MMA, It's like, get add

1795
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: some more weight classes, fellas. You could put a one

1796
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: sixty five in there, change walter weight to one seventy five,

1797
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: I go to one any five, and then you get

1798
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: how many more? Here's a hold. Let me finish, Let

1799
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: me finish. I'm just making an argument about but if

1800
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: you really cared about weightcutting. Adding weight classes is a

1801
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: solution or not a solution, is part of a broader

1802
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: solution to that problem. Now, the course, the obvious response

1803
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: is but then you have to market these and it

1804
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: waters everything down and it makes it Okay, I understand.

1805
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm merely pointing out that there is a central tension

1806
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: between athlete health and safety and what is marketable and

1807
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: what is possible with making money for promoters. And there's

1808
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: going to be trade offs in either direction. So while

1809
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I gather that boxing has too many of them, there

1810
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: is a very easy argument to make that mma has

1811
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: too few if what you really care about is health

1812
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: and safety as it relates to weightcutting conditions.

1813
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 2: Now, we have eight men's divisions in the UFC right

1814
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 2: now that is in some ways perfect, and well, what

1815
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: about that gap between fifty.

1816
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: Perfect perfect for what the market? It is not perfect

1817
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: for health and safety? That is not true.

1818
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 2: Okay, what about that gap between fifty five and seventy? Yeah,

1819
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: it's big. I would almost rather read find the gap

1820
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: between all eight weight classes rather than add a ninth tenth,

1821
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: because if you're adding a ninth and tenth, Luke, what's

1822
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: gonna stop you from getting to seventeen and going to.

1823
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm not on the crazier end of this argument. My

1824
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: only change, and I do mean this, My only change

1825
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 1: would be adding one sixty five and then adjusting walter

1826
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: weight to one seventy five because I actually think you

1827
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: get a lot of good fighters worldwide in that little

1828
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: narrow space, so it would have a big effect. I'm

1829
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: not in favor of adding one to ninety five or

1830
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck that part I'm not in favor of.

1831
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out you have to recognize there is

1832
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: tension between number of weight classes and what's promotable as

1833
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: a feature of monetary concerns, and people make trade offs

1834
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: in either direction. There.

1835
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now there's an eighteenth weight class. By the way,

1836
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm boxing bridger weight.

1837
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: That gap, ish, which is I mean, that's just ridiculous bullshit.

1838
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: So, Luke, I mean, you know what, women's MMA in

1839
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 2: the UFC has four divisions, and to be fair, they

1840
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: have problems populating three of those on a regular basis.

1841
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: So I don't know, dude, I don't want to any one, yeah, ish, Yeah,

1842
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm telling you, I'm the boxing guy

1843
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: telling you I would give anything to go back to

1844
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: the glory days of eight division mets. If boxing had

1845
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: eight male champions, you'd always know who's the champion. There

1846
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a watered down effort, right, we wouldn't have four.

1847
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Champions find but if guys missed weight or had terrible

1848
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: weight cuts, you have to look in the mirrorbout who's

1849
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: and they.

1850
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: Got to go up or down. Luke, it's the deal,

1851
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: you know what.

1852
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: It's the There is to be some kind of a

1853
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: sweet spot between them where you don't have bridger weights. Yeah,

1854
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: that's been so obviously, this fucking alchemy that these promoters

1855
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: are trying to come up with. On the other hand,

1856
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: the argument that we've got enough to reasonably solve the

1857
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: problem also falls pretty shor at least on the MMA

1858
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: side of things.

1859
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke. I think you you would find

1860
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: in retrospect in hindsight, and I know you're saying we

1861
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: have to give a little to get a little, right.

1862
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, eight is.

1863
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 2: Is perfection nice it really think about it. If you're

1864
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: a UFC champion, there's still an element to that of immortality.

1865
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 2: You don't always make the Hall of Fame in theory

1866
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: or even the physical Hall of fame. Usually it depends

1867
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: on your political relationship with the current UFC bosses in

1868
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 2: that regard. But you get my point. Yet, in boxing,

1869
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 2: you know somebody you know, even when it's a regional belt,

1870
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: it's still announced on TV as the championship of the world,

1871
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: like it's bullshit. So it's sort of Look it's like

1872
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: the you know, high school athletics, where it's like, you know,

1873
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: I'm the Class S long jump champion. Okay, that means

1874
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 2: you're the long jump champion of the smaller schools in

1875
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 2: my state of Connecticut. It doesn't mean you're like the

1876
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: state open champion. You're gonna tell everybody for the rest

1877
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: of your life. Man, I was state champion in the

1878
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: fucking javelin. Bro, you weren't. You probably have the tenth

1879
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: best distance in the whole small state that you compete in.

1880
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: You ain't shit, bro, You ain't getting laid with that guy.

1881
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 2: Somebody cares about your javelin background like at all. In fact,

1882
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: turn the javelin on your No, just.

1883
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Kid'm just kidding, all right, Well we can move along though. Yeah.

1884
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: At Riggins thirty two BC is a good question, how

1885
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: many edibles did Chris mannis consume before watching Taylor versus Serrano.

1886
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 1: That's a fair point.

1887
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: You know. We we try to give the judges a

1888
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt when they're scoring, because they're not

1889
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 2: watching Twitter, they're not talking to each other, they don't

1890
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: even have an ad up of what their score is.

1891
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: They're going round by round and I've scored while broadcasting before.

1892
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 2: I try to give him a benefit of the doubt

1893
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: and say he's reacting to what he sees. He's not

1894
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 2: a professional judge. The problem is, Luke, the on screen

1895
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: scoring becomes it becomes you know, law when you're watching

1896
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 2: it and you're not scoring at home, it becomes you know,

1897
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: like and it's not and it's subjectable. But you know

1898
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: it's like funny I tweeted out at some point, you know,

1899
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: after the eighth round, I think I had it like

1900
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 2: four rounds to four. What a great fight. And people

1901
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 2: are like, man, you're so stupid. Can't you see everybody's

1902
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 2: got Serrano winning? Well, yeah, it's because you know Chris

1903
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: mannis prefers.

1904
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: It's so stupid because I had not not that you

1905
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: are stupid, but like that claim is so dumb because

1906
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: if I tweeted that Serrana was doing well, especially at

1907
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: like before round five, and she had her moments even

1908
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: before round five. I had people like my mentions were

1909
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: filled with like Irish homers being like, what are you

1910
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: talking about? Katie is like, yeah, Katie could close her

1911
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: eyes and win this. She's beating the balls off of

1912
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: r I'm like, it's pretty competitive. You could go a

1913
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of different directions. So there were homers in either way.

1914
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: It does create a group think having an on ear

1915
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 2: unofficial scorer, but the ones who do it great and

1916
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: it's not a knock on Chris and you know, we're

1917
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 2: all dude, you everyone maligns me for my scorecards here

1918
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 2: and there. Sometimes you just you're a you know, you're

1919
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: judging something. You're judging who you'd rather be, who you

1920
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,839
Speaker 2: thought had the better round. But it just can't be gospel.

1921
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 2: It can't be like because the network said it, It's true. Again,

1922
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 2: the only people that matter in the scoring, not my scorecard,

1923
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: not Chris Is, It's the three judges. But sometimes yes,

1924
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: it does, it does litter the way it's I don't

1925
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: think that that announced crew was really picking up on

1926
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: everything Katie Taylor was doing. And sometimes the group think

1927
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 2: is within just the announced team. You know, you hear

1928
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 2: somebody say something, you go, yeah, you're right, she's doing well,

1929
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 2: and maybe you're missing it. I don't know.

1930
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I prefer when the person doing the

1931
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: unofficial ringside scoring is only doing that. Now, there's a

1932
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: bit of a difference. Like Big John can do it

1933
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: sometimes obviously because he's got a background in that whole

1934
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: officiating world, so he can kind of double duty. But

1935
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: is a you know, Harold Letterman was never part of

1936
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: the commentary crew when the HBO was doing It's like,

1937
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: let's go to how you know, unofficial scorecard for Letterman, okay, Jim,

1938
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: and you know he would read off whatever think.

1939
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Of four unts to three Arris Landy, Lara, Jim. I

1940
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 2: gotta tell you something. I can't believe this guy.

1941
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's how he would do it. But that's

1942
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: all he would do. That's all he would do. When

1943
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: you're asking guys to double duty like that, they're just

1944
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: gonna get lost in whatever editorial vision they have and

1945
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: it's just it's difficult. So yeah, I do like Chris,

1946
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: but his scorecard was was pretty wild, all right, from

1947
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: triple A ten to seven or one zero, one seven.

1948
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Now that King Kong Romanov is undefeated BC with five

1949
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: straight UFC wins, he is a fucking beast. Do you

1950
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: think he deserves a top ten guy? Next? How was

1951
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: the answer to this? Not? Yes? I do?

1952
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? How is it not?

1953
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Yes?

1954
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 2: Look at that they nailed on the broadcast. One thing

1955
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 2: about him, despite his size, in his Moldovian toughness, Luke,

1956
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 2: is that dude, he goes after it on the ground

1957
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: and he appears to be next level. When you're able

1958
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: to take a guy I don't know, you know, Sherman's

1959
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 2: not a world beater, but when you're able to take

1960
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: him down, you know, seconds into the fight, and then

1961
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 2: it looks like a schoolyard fight with one guy just

1962
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 2: slowly sitting on the other's chest and pounding him. Dude,

1963
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 2: that's this guy's sick, Luke. This guy's he's sick with it.

1964
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: This guy's coming. Yeah, I'm excited.

1965
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: So how about this? Any of these sound good to me? Now,

1966
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: some of these guys might have fights, you gotta forgive me,

1967
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: but around that level you've got Rosenstrike, Tibora, Daucas Pavlovich,

1968
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and abdur Rakamov. That's that's eight to twelve. Any of

1969
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: those sound interesting to you?

1970
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: Well, he called out your boy, Luke. Who Augusta Sakai?

1971
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh he did? Yeah, I guess what Kai. Okay, he's

1972
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,839
Speaker 1: right after Abdur Rockamo. He's sitting at thirteen. That wouldn't

1973
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: be bad either, but it's a little bit of a slower.

1974
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: He's really the litmus test for these guys, right, because like,

1975
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: if you're robotic and you've got holes, Augusta Sakai is

1976
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: technical and big enough to find those. But if you're

1977
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 2: you know, any level of dynamic, you know, striking or

1978
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 2: finishing ability, you're gonna you're gonna take care of Augusta. Augie.

1979
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna take care of good old Augie.

1980
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: Set I had a fraternity brother named Augie. He was cool. Yeah,

1981
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: he one time got so drunk he shit in his

1982
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: shoe and then walked in it.

1983
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: So I don't doubt that Luke. I bet I bet

1984
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 2: he needed the those three Greek letters to make him

1985
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 2: feel like a man, where the rest of us just

1986
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: walked around on our own polic.

1987
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:47,480
Speaker 1: Just just too just too all right from underscore, uh

1988
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Josh her Bold Okay, now that bis being in rock

1989
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: holder buddies. B see what fighters with a rivalry do

1990
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: you just wish to see bury the hatchet and be pals? Man,

1991
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,759
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck if their friends are folks.

1992
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Looks like I don't want to be friends with any

1993
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: of these motherfuckers. I hate them all. No, I mean, look,

1994
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 2: the most stick would it warm your heart? If if

1995
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: John and d C had to turn around? Would that

1996
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: warm your heart? Because I don't think Connor and Habib

1997
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 2: will ever we'll ever have that moment.

1998
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: Maybe as like like no this, I'm like the wrong

1999
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: guy for this question because I don't care.

2000
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll entertain it. Maybe someday Habib and Connor can

2001
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: have a like we're both in our sixties showing up

2002
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: at public events and posing with each other and you know, like, hey, bro,

2003
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 2: we went through the wars together. Maybe probably not. I

2004
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: think if John and d C started being like bros

2005
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 2: in DC, like sticking up for him on broadcast, that

2006
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 2: could be. That could be interesting theater to see a

2007
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 2: play out. Look, I know again, what.

2008
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: Would have to happen in John's life for DC? They

2009
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: like not. The DC is relentlessly critical. There are times

2010
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: where he'll defend him but like the way you're talking

2011
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: about like we're your pals. Do John would have to

2012
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: have a mate like do? He keeps getting in trouble.

2013
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: We keep forgetting about this because it hasn't happened in

2014
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: the last few months or something. But for the last

2015
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: two years, he's gotten in major trouble both years. What's

2016
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: to say that this year will be any different? I

2017
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I certainly don't wish that upon him, but

2018
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: like it's hard to imagine that scenario unless there's just

2019
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: major reformation taking place, which I guess we'll have to see.

2020
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 2: John's been undergoing a long December, Luke, and there's there

2021
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: is reason to believe though that maybe this year will

2022
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 2: be better than the last. You know what I'm saying?

2023
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: Counting crows?

2024
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 2: I mean I can't remember. No, they don't. They don't. Okay,

2025
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 2: look they really don't. In fact, the first album is

2026
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 2: a top five nineties album. You missed it? It's like modern.

2027
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Day Spanish dancing.

2028
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 2: And while the second one's good and the double live

2029
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 2: album that has half acoustic half big band is good,

2030
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 2: don't sleep on that third studio album, Luke, did you

2031
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 2: miss it?

2032
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just Adam Duritz's nineteen ninety two Dreadlocks

2033
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: just maybe want to punch him in the face for.

2034
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 2: One with Miss Miss Potter's Lalla By that that album.

2035
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: You don't remember that one, Luke, that.

2036
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I just want to go back to the point that

2037
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: this dude had dreadlocks in nineteen to like a fucking

2038
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: barista in Aurora, Colorado and it was majorly tilting.

2039
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 2: Okay, well, hopefully you know I'd like to see some

2040
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: old old rivalry. I mean, like, look, dude, seriously, if

2041
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 2: Connor and Nate became boys, that'd be interesting. If if

2042
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 2: Jake Shields and Laptops ever got back together, Luke, that'd

2043
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 2: be that'd be cool. And and war Machine and women

2044
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 2: that'd probably be all the reunions I'm looking for, Luke.

2045
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,839
Speaker 1: No, I'm not looking for that reunion. I think his No.

2046
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: All right from Underscore Highlights for eighty which UFC two

2047
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: seventy four, A bout are you guys looking forward to

2048
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: the most b see? If I may go first on

2049
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 1: this one very quickly, I'm gonna say, Chandler Ferguson, Chandler Ferguson.

2050
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the main events are incredible, but if

2051
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: we're looking for, like a bit of a different one

2052
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Chandler one and two in the UFC. A win here

2053
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: would be important, but a loss here would be kind

2054
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: of It would say something about his proper placement among

2055
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: the very best lightweights in the world. Conversely, for fergus And,

2056
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 1: a loss here would continue at the damage from the

2057
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: Ferguson fight that he hasn't in the same sense. By contrast,

2058
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,520
Speaker 1: a win, you know, I would consider that pretty spectacular

2059
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: to beat to Michael Chandler, who is still this good

2060
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: even this late in his career. That would be a

2061
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: huge get back moment for him. So this is gonna

2062
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: tell us like, who's got a future here? Who doesn't.

2063
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm scared of this fight. I know it's going to

2064
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: be all action, but Dude, Tony's in a bad way

2065
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 2: right now. I'm afraid that this goes very badly. I

2066
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 2: get your optimism and hope that it could be fun

2067
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 2: and that if Tony wins it could be resurrecting, But

2068
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: I have fears there, Luke, I think the main event

2069
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 2: is among you know, it's not a great pick, to

2070
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 2: say Oliver Gatchi, yet the same time it's the right pick.

2071
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: It is among the best fights you can make in

2072
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: the sport, Luke, the prospect of high skilled violence and

2073
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 2: the ability to end the fight on both sides at

2074
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 2: any point. Can't freaking wait. And dude, you know I

2075
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 2: love like when history comes back around again. Dude, pee,

2076
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 2: We're sleeping Rose Carlos and the rematch is a great fight. Dude,

2077
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 2: this is a really good fight.

2078
01:37:57,800 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: It is a good fight. They do this whole car

2079
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: pulled up here for just a second. The whole card

2080
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Into remind folks, we are going to

2081
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of coverage coming up for this in

2082
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: Morning Combat in studio, including a post fight show. But

2083
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: you also have Showgun versus Saint Prue. Fine fight, but

2084
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't really like, like, I'm not like dying to see.

2085
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Everybody wants up.

2086
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Soroni versus Lozan. This is a bit of a

2087
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: Last of the Mohicans kind of fight for these guys

2088
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: from a different generation. You do have Macy Chiassen taken

2089
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 1: on Norma Dumont, which is a bit of a get

2090
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: back fight. How about this one, Brandon Royville taking on

2091
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: Matt Schnell. Love love, excuse me, love that Tracy Cortes

2092
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: is back against Melissa Gatto, let's see. And then you

2093
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: got Francisco Toronaldo taken on Danny Roberts. So there's a

2094
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: few of these up and down the card that are

2095
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,919
Speaker 1: that are pretty decent, but that that main card is

2096
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 1: is pretty good.

2097
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: You don't have here for Tony, Like this is a

2098
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: really really bad idea and this is bad matchmaking. And

2099
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 2: he's thirty eight riding a three fight violent losing streak

2100
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: against elite fighters and Chandler last time I checked, this

2101
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: still both elite and violent. This isn't scary at all.

2102
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: This is a very scary one. He could lose this

2103
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: one in a way where there's really no coming back

2104
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: at all. But but I have buried fighters before. I

2105
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: want to be very careful about like, oh, this guy's done.

2106
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a when you say someone's done, man,

2107
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: I really feel like you got to say that when

2108
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: the evidence is very strong, not kind of strong, not

2109
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: like a very strong.

2110
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Between you and me. Is I'm not afraid to piss

2111
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 2: a fighter off?

2112
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: First of all, Oh yes, is that my problem? I

2113
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: don't piss off enough fighters.

2114
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 2: Second of all, I'm not afraid that that the anger

2115
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 2: that they formed for me to it end up leading

2116
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 2: to resurgence for them. So at the end of the day, Luke,

2117
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 2: they may be cursing me out, but they should be

2118
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: thanking me.

2119
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly noted. Okay, with that out of the WAYBC,

2120
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: it's time for more of your bullshit.

2121
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 2: All right, all right? What I do, Luke every Sunday

2122
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 2: is I get with Gaff Pierre and I scour the

2123
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 2: globe for the highs and lows, the good, the bad,

2124
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: the ugly, the in between, from combat sports and beyond.

2125
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 2: These are meant to make you laugh. It's called have

2126
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 2: you seen this shit?

2127
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: Have you seen this shit?

2128
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

2129
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: This is a good one, Luke, But the last two

2130
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 2: times I've said that it's failed miserably. So you know,

2131
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 2: we'll see how you react. By the way, do you

2132
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 2: still have that gift Tony Ferguson gave you? Is it

2133
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 2: in your office right now?

2134
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: It's somewhere in my cabinet over here. Yes, Yeah it was.

2135
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 2: It was a weird moment. You know. I was a little,

2136
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to say jealous.

2137
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: I've known Tony for a long time and yeah, I

2138
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him along recently. I asked him to

2139
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: do a bunch of interviews he said yes, and then

2140
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: they never materialized, So I just haven't kept up with him.

2141
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: But for a while there we had a I did

2142
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: all of his Remember how I used to be like

2143
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: guys will go to the Ultimate Fighter and then they

2144
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: would do like journals for the major websites. I was

2145
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: the guy who did that for him at Tough thirteen

2146
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: at MMA Fighting. So we do have a bit of

2147
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 1: a relationship. But yeah, haven't talked to him in a while.

2148
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Did you talk Latin with him with him? Or is

2149
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 2: that too personal?

2150
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: M I don't know. I don't remember all the things

2151
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: we've discussed. All right.

2152
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Hey, look, let's start with this bare knuckle bonanza BKFC

2153
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 2: weighan for the light heavyweight title bot over this weekend

2154
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 2: between champion Lawrel and so Hunt and uh, he's still

2155
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 2: fighting Joe Riggs And look at Hunt. Tomato. Take the

2156
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: tomato that he's chewing and stuffing right on the face.

2157
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, So Luke, dude, my grandfather used

2158
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 2: to chew on a lemon and I thought that was, like,

2159
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Have you

2160
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 2: ever seen somebody openly eat a tomato?

2161
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: Like that. So one time, back when I was in college,

2162
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:30,719
Speaker 1: I used to visit my friend. I had a buddy

2163
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: who went to college in New York City, so I

2164
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: would go and visit him. I would take the Peter

2165
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Pan bus BC. You were taking it, Peter, Oh Jesus.

2166
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: So I one time was in the I was this

2167
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: is a true story. I was in the lounge, like

2168
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: the like the fucking Peter Pan lounge, waiting for the

2169
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: bus to come. I mean, I'm broke as fuck, I'm

2170
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: like nineteen, and I saw a person take an orange

2171
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: and eat it like an apple like skin in like

2172
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 1: the whole fucking third Yeah, And I was like, dude,

2173
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen that before and I've never seen it since,

2174
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: but I saw it at the bus stop. I can

2175
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: tell you that, dude.

2176
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 2: Hang around on Connecticut highways after those first casinos opened

2177
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 2: up in the middle of nowhere in Connecticut, and the

2178
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 2: buses would be running from you know, Boston to there,

2179
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 2: New York to there. You know the good news with

2180
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 2: those busses, Luke, And there's a few different chainses. You

2181
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: can go anywhere you want for nine to nine cents,

2182
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 2: but you may not live through the through the ride.

2183
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 2: There those are a good news.

2184
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: The ride was cheap bad news. I had my organ

2185
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: sold after I was stabbed and then pulled into a

2186
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 1: hotel room.

2187
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 2: It's the bottom of the transportation food chain. And that's

2188
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 2: that's me saying a guy who's been on the New

2189
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 2: York City subway many times. Then I'll say, those buses

2190
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 2: can be the bottom, Luke, let's keep it going. UFC

2191
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 2: Fight night, Luke. Here's Rob Font's face before the start

2192
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 2: of the card. All right, I hey, not bad right,

2193
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 2: you know, good looking guy? Right?

2194
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, is that what you're looking at?

2195
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 2: That is what I'm looking at. Here's his face, though, Luke, Man,

2196
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 2: we should we should probably talk to him more often. Right,

2197
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: here's the face of him afterward to Mike Goldberg. Luke,

2198
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 2: so you want to be an MM fighter? Good?

2199
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, Actually I don't think it's my Goldberg. It

2200
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: was really Dana White, do you really want to be

2201
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 1: a fucking fighter? And then everyone else kind of repeated

2202
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: it afterwards.

2203
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 2: It was right, then Goldberg fighter. Then Goldberg would repeat

2204
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 2: that at the end of violent fights in the early days.

2205
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what I mean. But go back to

2206
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: his face real quick. This is what I mean. Like Dude,

2207
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: Rob Vaughan is a very experienced fighter. This was a

2208
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: main event. You know the question, But when you pull

2209
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,440
Speaker 1: the plug on a something like this is very difficult.

2210
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: But dude, his is that face better or worse than

2211
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: ericson the Lubin's. I guess it's slightly better because the

2212
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: swelling is somewhat more isolated. But dude, that's pretty fucking

2213
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: bad man.

2214
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 2: That's it's almost it's almost fad or Bigfoot silver levels.

2215
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 2: And I know you were there for it, Luca sat Night.

2216
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really low moment in my career.

2217
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of low moments. When I think

2218
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: back on it, the low moments stand out to me

2219
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: more than the high moments. I don't know what that

2220
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: says about my brain, but.

2221
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 2: Low team moments, that's for sure. A whole summer alert. Here, Luke.

2222
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Here's Marlon chido Vera after his victory. We saw in

2223
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 2: the cage with his family. They came back for the

2224
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 2: photo shoot. I watched the pre fight's video. Dude, he's

2225
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 2: a killer, but a beast of a dad. Dude, like,

2226
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 2: this guy's fantastic.

2227
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's awesome, man, And this is a great moment.

2228
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: And uh, it's hard to explain. Man. If there's a

2229
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: bunch of twenty year old dudes who like, oh, I

2230
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 1: never want to have kids, I get it, dude. I

2231
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 1: am no way I want to tell you how to

2232
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: live your life. But now that I have one, it's

2233
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 1: just they're the most They're a lot of work, obviously,

2234
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: but they're the most amount of fund. I just I

2235
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:33,440
Speaker 1: cannot tell you how soul I don't know, enriching, satisfying

2236
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: it is to have them in your life. And that's

2237
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: that's got to be a great moment for Cheeto. So congrats.

2238
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 2: And I know his daughter has special needs and he's been, yes.

2239
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: He's been all over it, doing everything he can to

2240
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 1: help her do. Cheeto's a hell of a guy.

2241
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: So uh, let's go to Alexander Romanov. Here's him dropping

2242
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 2: Chase Sherman on his damn head, Luke. This was part

2243
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 2: of the the Just Jesus, just look at that all.

2244
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: Do you know how strong? I mean, obviously there's a

2245
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: lot of technique. You could see. He gets his hips

2246
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: deeply under the hip and he has the great angle

2247
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: on the takedown for this to make it kind of

2248
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: an easy But look at the arch on that throw

2249
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 1: and then the turnover. My lord, dude, that is and

2250
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: he looks over look him, watch it, look him look

2251
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: over his left side like that. See that when he

2252
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: does it? Dude, that is he is Romanov is special, Bro,

2253
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: he might be how do you say it? If he's

2254
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: coming on, he's coming or whatever the fuck it is,

2255
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: But that dude's coming, Bro.

2256
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 2: He's coming, please yeah, he's Uh. De zone from MSG Luke.

2257
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: I told you we had a guy in my Marine

2258
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: Corps unit. I think I've told you we had a

2259
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 1: guy in my Marine Corps unit whose last name was Cummings,

2260
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: and I used to call him Jizzings everywhere we went.

2261
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, Corporal Jizzings, get over here.

2262
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 2: And he couldn't fight you because you were a reserve sergeant.

2263
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Correct, Uh, he could have if he wanted to.

2264
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean, did you guys have an outlet for that

2265
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 2: where like.

2266
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, dude, guys would fistfight all the time. I'm

2267
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: not gonna say it was like prison or something like that,

2268
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: because that's a little crazy, but like, dude, if two guys,

2269
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: especially if they were like similar or identical rank, but

2270
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: they can if it was far apart, like a sergeant

2271
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and like a gun regeant. No, but let's say you

2272
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: had two staff sergeants, right, so those are two guys

2273
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: who've probably been in maybe six to eight years something

2274
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: like that, depending. You know, guys can get promoted faster

2275
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: or slower a veteran at that point, you know. So

2276
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: I've always been in the game for a while. I've

2277
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: seen it where two staff sergeants had at a dispute.

2278
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: We'd be at twenty nine palms out in the desert

2279
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, Yo, they're gonna go handle it,

2280
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 1: play watch so that no one else sees it, and

2281
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: they would fucking fistfight for a while, dude, and then

2282
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: it would just be whoever won, and that would be

2283
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: what it was. Yes, dude, that happens frequently in the military.

2284
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 2: Yes, all right. Uh A lot of Irish people upset

2285
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 2: looked that I called the Croke Park a soccer stadium?

2286
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: What was it? A football.

2287
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 2: That's where they hurl luke.

2288
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: Okay, hurling is a cool game. It's a cool game.

2289
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:44,639
Speaker 1: We don't play it here, but it's a cool game.

2290
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, okay, it's a sports stadium. Lighten

2291
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 1: up Ireland.

2292
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, on frantis, please, let's go to the garden here, Luke,

2293
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 2: here is promoters Eddie Hern and Jake Paul watching the

2294
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: final thirty seconds of round ten between Toronald Taylor. I

2295
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: think they were all of us in this case, except

2296
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 2: we weren't wearing a gun hole Sittude?

2297
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: What the fuck is Jake Paul wearing? And could that

2298
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: phone in your pocket be bigger? I mean, what are

2299
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: we doing here?

2300
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 2: That could be a phone Erke, he could just be

2301
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 2: happy to be there.

2302
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: But no, that's not a phone er that's a tablet.

2303
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:17,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, why are you wearing like a

2304
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: photographers slash archers slash armors fucking sling here?

2305
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 2: It's like a nineteen seventies police officer sling that you'd

2306
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 2: wear under your coat with a gun in it in

2307
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 2: New York City and a neo noir crime film. Luke,

2308
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 2: that's what he's wearing. Hey, look, he's the trendsetter, not us.

2309
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 2: We're old bitches.

2310
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: But did you hear you hear? Yeah? Now we suck?

2311
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: But did you hear him get booed in the garden?

2312
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you see that back and forth with him

2313
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 2: and Eddie all week on camera, in which Hern was like,

2314
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 2: you're average, You're just an average fighter, and like, Jake

2315
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 2: really took that personal, Luke to the point. Did you

2316
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 2: see when they slid Jake Paul into the announcem booth

2317
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,679
Speaker 2: for part of one of the undercard fights. He did

2318
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 2: it like deadpan. He didn't do like the shtick. He

2319
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 2: like pretended to be an actual boxing and he was

2320
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 2: actually pretty good. So I wonder if he took it personal, Luke,

2321
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: that everybody's like you ain't a real fighter. I think

2322
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 2: even Katie.

2323
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: Taylor tweeted that dude, hearn said to his face, if

2324
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: you ever fight somebody good, you're gonna get chinned. He said,

2325
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 1: he was right up. I give I give Hern, dude,

2326
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: I give Jake respect for prom promoting that fight and

2327
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 1: promoting a man or at Toronto the way he did. You

2328
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 1: have to give him credit, But I give credit for

2329
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 1: her and just telling him straight to his face what

2330
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 1: other people want, Like, yo, bro, you're you are what

2331
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: you are. You fight anybody good, You're gonna have real

2332
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: devastating consequences.

2333
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 2: Indeed, Luke, well, here's the final thirty seconds. We mentioned

2334
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 2: that Taylor and Serrano going out in the center of

2335
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 2: the ring in round ten, that that the promoters were watching,

2336
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 2: that all of us were watching, they just bit down,

2337
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 2: look and just oh god, what fun.

2338
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: They're literally on the logo. You just can't believe that

2339
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: it went this way.

2340
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, and Jude, it wasn't sloppy or reckless. This

2341
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 2: was a highly skilled action fight. It was great. It

2342
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 2: really was across the board.

2343
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: Do you make of Serrano's claim, by the way that

2344
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, she was the smaller of the two naturally,

2345
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: and so the power punching wasn't there as much as

2346
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: it was for Taylor. The only reason something to that.

2347
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 2: There is except for the fact that she's got so

2348
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 2: many knockouts compared to Katie Taylor. Now you can say, well,

2349
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:11,959
Speaker 2: some of that came from being in the lower way classes,

2350
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 2: but look, her power seemed to be the difference in

2351
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 2: If you're gonna make an argument that Serno won that fight,

2352
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 2: a lot of your argument has to be built upon

2353
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 2: what she did in those middle rounds when she's knocking

2354
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 2: Taylor around. I mean, she's the bigger puncher. At the

2355
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 2: end of the day, she's taller and longer. Again, I

2356
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 2: think she wins a rematch, but we'll see, Luke. There

2357
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 2: were plenty other notables that flew in for this. Here's

2358
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 2: Meatball Molly watching from ringside as the action heated up,

2359
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 2: and I'm told that she doesn't actually know this guy

2360
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 2: sitting next to her. Luke, there you go, there you go.

2361
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure she met up with listening.

2362
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: If you see a bald man, you are obligated to

2363
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: play the bong goes on his head. That's just how

2364
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: that's just the rules of drunk.

2365
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 2: The Irish showed up as we predicted. Here you can

2366
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 2: watch and hear the aftermath outside MSG. What is that

2367
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 2: sixth Avenue, sixth Avenue, seventh.

2368
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 1: And eighth, seventh and ninthth this is this is this

2369
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: is seventh time made right here? No, that's eighth. Excuse

2370
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: me because that's the old post office on that side.

2371
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm an eighth.

2372
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

2373
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 2: Let me look this up so I'm able to celebrate

2374
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 2: this with them. I do want to remind you we

2375
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 2: could turn this off, thanks Jev that rather it was

2376
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 2: sixth or eighth, Luke. The same black line that was

2377
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 2: drawn on me, It was drawn on you, dude, all right,

2378
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 2: and now it's drawing me in.

2379
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: Why are you doing bullshit wallflower stuff? All right? Yeah, seventh.

2380
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:46,640
Speaker 2: I really don't think it's bullshit. I think it's the

2381
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 2: fabric of of how I was made, Luke. Let's keep

2382
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 2: it going. Also on the de Zonne undercard, did you

2383
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 2: sar this Colemane? Holy shit? Liam Beefy Smith turning back

2384
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:00,040
Speaker 2: the clocket one fifty four and stopping Jesse Vargas in

2385
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 2: an all out war. Luke, they're calling this career saving.

2386
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 2: This was a hell of a.

2387
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Fight, wasn't he wasn't Smith? I don't know if he

2388
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 1: was expected to do exactly what he did, but wasn't

2389
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: he expected to win?

2390
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't know who is the betting favorite. They're both

2391
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 2: in their thirties on the second half slide. But Smith

2392
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,759
Speaker 2: was the fresher fighter. If you don't know him, former

2393
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 2: one fifty four champion, fought Canelo at Cowboys Stadium. He's

2394
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 2: the brother of Callum Smith. There's four Smith fighting brothers.

2395
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: Were the other guy's name is Paul Smith, Paul Smitham Smith.

2396
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 2: There's another Smith in there somewhere, Yeah, Luke.

2397
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: A lot of Smith's, a lot.

2398
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 2: Of Smiths, Luke. Also on this undercard, unbeaten Australian featherweight

2399
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 2: Sky Nicholson improved the three and oh thanks in part

2400
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 2: to this final round knockdown. Luke, this is another one

2401
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 2: of Eddie Hearn's women of the future and she's getting

2402
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 2: a lot of attention. Look at these left hands.

2403
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Here ooh.

2404
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, just twenty six. I believe she's three and

2405
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 2: oh from Australia, As I mentioned, somebody to watch. Also, Luke,

2406
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the the walkout attire worn by Franchon

2407
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 2: Cruz Desern, who became women's boxing's first undefeated undisputed super

2408
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 2: middleweight champion with her win over.

2409
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: I thought her post fight comments were much better. Are

2410
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 1: you gonna play those or can I spoil them?

2411
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,480
Speaker 2: Damn right? I will, Luke. But your thoughts on this? What?

2412
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: What are those?

2413
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 2: Luke? What are we doing here?

2414
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 1: Bro? I don't know, but it's different, so I'm about

2415
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: it her.

2416
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 2: The fight was a brawl. It was fun to watch.

2417
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,839
Speaker 2: But here is that infamous now post fight interface.

2418
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 1: I think you never Scott from sixty? What do you

2419
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: want to do with the next clip them? I want

2420
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: to take a shot to wash my as you never

2421
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 1: Scott from sixty? What do you want to do with

2422
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: the next clip.

2423
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,679
Speaker 2: Luke, we didn't hear that right now, but the audience did.

2424
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how I feel. That's how I

2425
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 1: feel like AFTERMK all right, I gotta go wash my ass.

2426
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: I mean, look, swamp ass is a real thing, Luke.

2427
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 2: Anyone that you know grew up in high humidity areas

2428
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,759
Speaker 2: knows that. Okay, let's go to the top rank boxing

2429
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 2: from Las Vegas. Nico Ali Walsh, the grandson of the

2430
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 2: greatest Lukes. Dude. They're teaching this kid how to punch.

2431
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 2: This was early in this fight. It's over.

2432
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit him with the one too, not a direct

2433
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:26,759
Speaker 1: one too, but the two punch combo.

2434
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 2: You know it. It was just two fights ago that

2435
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 2: we were talking about that this kid's gonna get knocked

2436
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 2: out eventually because he has to move his head.

2437
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: Luke.

2438
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 2: He's starting under full time trader Richard Sloan, who's that

2439
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 2: famous boxing artist that does all those paintings. They're training

2440
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 2: him up nice here, that's a nice finish man.

2441
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

2442
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 2: Sure is And Luke, Shaquer Stevenson not only hugely victorious

2443
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 2: in the ring, unifying one thirty pound titles, but he

2444
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 2: interrupted his own post fight interview afterwards to propose to

2445
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 2: his baby mama. Luke, what a double win here. I

2446
01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 2: know you hate this.

2447
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 1: I know to test this. It's like, hey, are you

2448
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: a stranger? I need you to be a participant in

2449
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 1: the important moments in my life and I don't give

2450
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: a fuck if you have a choice about it.

2451
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 2: Luke, she said, yes, it's a wholesome moment. Okay, all right,

2452
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 2: I'm getting a real time dead wrong here for Mikey

2453
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 2: Moore Mile, He says, Adam reached out and said, so

2454
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 2: you want to be an Ultimate fighter, not an MMA fighter?

2455
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 2: Is the famous quote, Luke.

2456
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: That from Goldberg, though, I'm pretty sure what Dana said

2457
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: was do you want to be a fucking fighter? Yeah?

2458
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Almost certain that's what he said. Double check that please,

2459
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 1: But I believe that that is correct. Now that to

2460
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: your point, they may have gotten a little bit sanitized

2461
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: and changed over time.

2462
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Goldberg will do that to you. He'll sanitize shit, Luke.

2463
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 2: WW live event in Newcastle, England. Check out Bobby Lashley

2464
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,960
Speaker 2: getting thrown from this ring which collapsed. This is not

2465
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 2: a gimmick here, this was a shoot ooh shit, damn them.

2466
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 2: Ropes will snap Luke, if you stretch him far enough,

2467
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 2: all right, he was.

2468
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: My clothes during the pandemic.

2469
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah he did walk away. He is okay, he's back

2470
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: at it. That dude in his what late forties now

2471
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 2: just jacked as shit.

2472
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, just can't believe he got that jack just

2473
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 1: eating salmon and yogurt and asparagus. Unbelievable.

2474
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,440
Speaker 2: They don't have they don't use peds in WWE.

2475
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 1: No, no, they would never do something like that.

2476
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 2: Hey, how about some more wholesome shit. I'm in a

2477
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 2: good mood today, Luke. You know I love cats. What

2478
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 2: do you think about this cat's ability to take care

2479
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 2: of himself while his owners are going?

2480
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Bro, cats are the ship people hate on cats. Cats

2481
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 1: are fucking awesome, man. Yeah, shouts to Mocho in Elclo

2482
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: on Helito. But in all seriousness, bro, like the cats

2483
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: are the best, man. And my daughter loves my cat.

2484
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 1: My daughter doesn't get seiics for Barbous and Lola, which

2485
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: are my two dogs, but she loved Mocho. Man. So

2486
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 1: cat is okay. Cat looks like puss boots, or as

2487
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: my daughter calls him, gatto combotas. I like that.

2488
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 2: I've got Reggie and Zoe and and the other one. Emma, Yes, Luke,

2489
01:55:58,400 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 2: I love cats. That's great.

2490
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Luke.

2491
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 2: I mentioned that PFL card Thursday night when six foot

2492
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 2: eight heavyweight Hen and Fededa had a big finish win

2493
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 2: in the first round. When I didn't show you was

2494
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 2: this backflip?

2495
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Dude?

2496
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 2: This guy six eight, Bro, I'm telling you, this guy

2497
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 2: might be a problem.

2498
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 1: This dude is the size of Tyson Fury and he

2499
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 1: can do that.

2500
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's like, he looks dude, pretty legit. Mikey

2501
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 2: sliding back in here, Luke saying Dana's quote was do

2502
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: you want to be a fucking fighter? That's my question.

2503
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 2: That was Dana's quote. So good thing that we put

2504
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 2: our entire staff to work to get to the bottom

2505
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 2: of this Goldberg quote. Luke, that's not even a Goldberg quote.

2506
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to college baseball. Here's the University

2507
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 2: of Texas. Watch the picture here. Who gave up the

2508
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 2: home run?

2509
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 1: He saw? Oh in Texas? In Texas, that's just how

2510
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 1: they greet each other.

2511
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 2: Dude, They the pictures are allowed to conceal and carry. Luke,

2512
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 2: that's I I know.

2513
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Be glad he didn't just peel a fucking couple of

2514
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: rugers ruger. Uh, Jesus Christ, I'm fucking up my own

2515
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 1: joke here, but be glad he didn't fucking shoot you

2516
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: from the mound there.

2517
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Lucas, time we get sloppy drunk here,

2518
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 2: let's go out to the golf course. Let's watch this

2519
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 2: hefty fella try to tee off after a few too

2520
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 2: many uh, after a few too many Uh?

2521
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: Did he? Did he record a pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhall.

2522
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this is the outtakes from that. All right,

2523
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 2: you got to put the ball on the tee. Bro okay, bro.

2524
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 1: I have I have been this drunk where you lean

2525
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: over and it's and it's you know, it's fifty to

2526
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: fifty whether you're gonna stand back up? Yeah, yeah, I

2527
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 1: mean definitely BC definitely a sport this game. Definitely.

2528
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean I've dropped a deuce in the

2529
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 2: porta pot outside of whole one many times at Hotbrook

2530
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 2: golf Course.

2531
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 1: And I had a friend this is true. How do

2532
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: I say this in a way that is a little

2533
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: bit more fair? I had a friend to have a

2534
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: wonderful lady encounter on the greens once playing playing golf yeah,

2535
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 1: oh at night or during the day at night, yeah,

2536
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah.

2537
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 2: It was known in my town, Luke that if you

2538
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 2: needed a soft landing, you could go to the greens

2539
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 2: on the golf course.

2540
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, he had a soft landing. All right.

2541
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 2: Hopefully it wasn't the only thing soft, Luke, or I

2542
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe that's you.

2543
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 1: You are beyond disgusting. I want you to know that.

2544
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 2: Let's keep the drunk clips flowing. Here's a balcony fight, Luke.

2545
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 2: That that gone wrong? I think? I mean, can you

2546
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 2: explain what's happening here?

2547
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Is this Johnny Depp and Amber heard this?

2548
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 2: God? Is this Michael Jackson holding blanket over the balcony? No,

2549
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 2: it's not, Wow, Luke, that's.

2550
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 1: They bounced a little bit.

2551
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 2: I need details on this. I need to know. Is

2552
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 2: this a felony? Is this did someone die here?

2553
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: Luke? Is this mansion? No?

2554
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 2: One?

2555
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 1: More time? Here we go? Yeah, marriage is definitely worth it, folks.

2556
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 2: My favorite quote of Luke from all time in this

2557
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 2: segment is if you if if your girlfriend hasn't ever

2558
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 2: ripped the door off of the hinges of your front,

2559
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 2: are you really in a relationship? You know what?

2560
01:58:59,320 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 1: That's true.

2561
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 2: That's okay. Look, let's go over the one championship muy Thai.

2562
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 2: This is from two weeks ago. We mentioned it. Five

2563
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:12,120
Speaker 2: knockdowns in ninety seconds as Liam Harrison took on muang

2564
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 2: Thai pi Que.

2565
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:17,879
Speaker 1: That was a brutal knockdown headkick.

2566
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 2: So what we got boxing rules here and muy Thai, Luke,

2567
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 2: you count after you go down?

2568
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they counted out. That's one. Two.

2569
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 2: Oh, this fight's over.

2570
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 1: Just end it, just end it. He's in trouble. He

2571
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 1: is in trouble. I will say that's a pretty decent

2572
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 1: bounce back though.

2573
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah he can.

2574
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets pushed it. He shows some resistance to

2575
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,840
Speaker 1: the uh.

2576
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh and here comes Liam Harrison. He's back. I'm told

2577
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 2: this is the greatest ninety seconds of your life if

2578
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 2: you're an MMA fan. Luke, I don't know about that though.

2579
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. Oh ooh, okay,

2580
01:59:56,040 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: there's three. He's like, what what bro the fuck you

2581
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 1: talking about? Okay? Up to three?

2582
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:09,760
Speaker 2: Oh? Put it on him, Liam, Yeah, jesus.

2583
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen uh this? Dude? Liam hit pads.

2584
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 1: He hits pads like the pads like hurt his children.

2585
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 1: Or something. Yeah, yeah, so there's four.

2586
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:21,720
Speaker 2: All right, who's going down for the fifth?

2587
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Here? Liam Wins just to spoil them for you, But.

2588
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 2: Thanks, good Clod'm glad we're sitting through this so painstakingly.

2589
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,760
Speaker 1: There we go, Jesus, Oh no, it's it's vicious here. Yeah,

2590
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 1: look at that.

2591
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you know you don't see five knockdowns every day.

2592
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 1: It didn't.

2593
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 2: It didn't move me though.

2594
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: Look it didn't change yah, No, it was probably better

2595
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 1: in real time.

2596
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go over the hardwood here, Luke.

2597
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:46,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned early Phoenix native Tracy Cortes of Brian Ortega.

2598
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 2: Let's buy a house together, fame helping the Sun's mascot,

2599
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 2: the famous Gorilla complete this dunk.

2600
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh snap, that's great, that's pretty fun. You've been watching

2601
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs at all.

2602
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 2: Little little bit here and there, Luke. The Celtics got

2603
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 2: Giannist yesterday.

2604
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 1: But we'll see you tough there. He's a tough to beat.

2605
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh, let's go out to this white guy on the hardwood.

2606
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 2: I bet this guy can't even dunk a donut, Luke.

2607
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 2: But let's see what happens on the mini hoop. Here

2608
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 2: comes Luke Thomas h no, and yes, Luke's good.

2609
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:32,080
Speaker 1: That motherfucker jumps Hamburger high. I mean you got me?

2610
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, let's go to the real basketball court.

2611
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,880
Speaker 2: This is not Valdosta High. But check out the reaction

2612
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:41,879
Speaker 2: of the gym to this shot in this dunk, Luke.

2613
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 3: Oh oh shit, Oh god, right, that's some that's some

2614
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 3: rookie year shack shit right there.

2615
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 2: I love that.

2616
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: Now do you brag about the state of your dunk

2617
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,919
Speaker 1: or the disrepair of your are you? Are you alarmed

2618
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 1: by the disrepair of yourym? Which one is it? I

2619
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: think you did? Here's the thing, here's the thing. He

2620
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't break the backboard, you know what I mean, like, yeah,

2621
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 1: that would have been cooler.

2622
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 2: I think you brag about the disrepair of your gym.

2623
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 2: Is what you do, and make the taxpayers pay for

2624
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:14,800
Speaker 2: that shit. Luke, let's go over to rate that tat

2625
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 2: here's Napoli winger Matteo Politano's back.

2626
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 1: Luke, that is excellent.

2627
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 2: Is that better than Spence? Uh?

2628
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I mean there's still there. You know, it's

2629
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 1: not perfect. There's a little bit of you know, you

2630
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: could do something, you could do a little bit of nitpicking.

2631
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 1: But as a general rule. This is excellent, Luke.

2632
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 2: You and I are always trying to come up with

2633
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 2: MK gimmicks that we can film. Look, this shit's calling you. Okay.

2634
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 2: This went out yesterday on IG season two of The

2635
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:50,400
Speaker 2: Apprentice one Championship edition. Luke now casting offering a two

2636
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:54,600
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars annual job as as Chatre's

2637
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:56,920
Speaker 2: new assistant. If you win this, Luke, we sit down.

2638
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:59,680
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, I want the money. But just

2639
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:01,680
Speaker 1: so we're clear, this is all fraud, right, We're just

2640
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna commit fraud? Or how's this gonna go.

2641
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,720
Speaker 2: A couple more here, Luke? After watching this, I think

2642
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 2: there's a new rule in life. Don't prank a Latina because,

2643
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 2: as Brendan taught us.

2644
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: Or you can, you can, you do so at your

2645
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:16,760
Speaker 1: own fucking path.

2646
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's zoom in here at this. So he had

2647
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:22,480
Speaker 2: the old lady sticker finger in this tomato.

2648
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:24,400
Speaker 1: Luke, wait, wait, how do you know this is How

2649
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 1: do you know this is Latin women?

2650
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,720
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty obvious. And then he makes her

2651
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:37,160
Speaker 2: think that it's actually his her asshole, Luke, his asshole.

2652
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:39,520
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's his ass She's about to get the chonkola

2653
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:41,320
Speaker 1: and whoop this dude. Yeah, there we go.

2654
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are you telling me they don't have

2655
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 2: around Luke? Oh god?

2656
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:49,480
Speaker 1: And wow, dude, you think ask me what objects in

2657
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 1: the house have been thrown at me? There'd be very

2658
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:54,760
Speaker 1: few I could cross off the list, like has my

2659
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 1: wife ever thrown the couch? Should be? Well, that's asking

2660
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 1: a bit much chairs for example. Sure.

2661
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 2: Or all right, let's go to the soccer pitch, Luke.

2662
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 2: Here's a set play. I think they call this two

2663
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:10,000
Speaker 2: for the price of one. Oh, there's one that'll leave

2664
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:12,080
Speaker 2: a mark. Oh god, that's too Luke.

2665
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, here's the game plan. We're gonna block

2666
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,680
Speaker 1: this ball with our face, especially off rebounds.

2667
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Oh that chick came running after it too. One more

2668
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 2: for you, Luke. You got to play the sound here.

2669
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 2: This is some college football team in a college class.

2670
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't know the setting, but let's just watch chub

2671
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 2: Rock here when when the internet.

2672
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:53,120
Speaker 1: Wait, let's in the.

2673
02:04:55,840 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 2: Water, Luke, as in god'.

2674
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 1: Put that video backup. You don't have to play it,

2675
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,080
Speaker 1: but just at least put the thumbnail for the video

2676
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 1: backup or whatever. I'm I know they're in a classroom.

2677
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,800
Speaker 1: But I'm going to guess this is not cal Tech.

2678
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:13,400
Speaker 2: No, no, this is.

2679
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 1: This is this is this is at best Auburn and

2680
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: probably first.

2681
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Of all, why is that man in a diaper? But

2682
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 2: second of all, so he's crushing water cans, I think.

2683
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 2: But then he does the flip on the bottle at

2684
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,600
Speaker 2: the end, as like the walk off, Luke, It's.

2685
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottle flip is the least impressive anyone's ever

2686
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:32,160
Speaker 1: tried anything.

2687
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 2: Can we zoom in and watch this one more time?

2688
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 2: We don't need the sound, but here we go, Luke. Oh,

2689
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:41,840
Speaker 2: they're water bottles and he's just drinking and crushing. I mean,

2690
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 2: he's dominating them.

2691
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 1: Luke, it'd be cooler if it's vodka. I like how

2692
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 1: there's like not a single lesson plan on any of

2693
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:54,240
Speaker 1: the various chalkboards in the back.

2694
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 2: That's that's a big win there for that.

2695
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was not Carnegie Mellon. This was probably the

2696
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,040
Speaker 1: Connecticut School of bedpan technology.

2697
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 2: You know, this segment can be hit or miss, Luke,

2698
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:06,040
Speaker 2: most of this was a miss. But that's the shit

2699
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 2: of the week. I'm glad you saw it.

2700
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: Okay, And we do have odds and ends, but that'll

2701
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,280
Speaker 1: be for a bit of a later moment. So there

2702
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:15,680
Speaker 1: you go, BC Fun Show BC. We should remind everyone

2703
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:19,480
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat Ultra. We now have

2704
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 1: a clips page shorts clips the whole nine yards that'll

2705
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:24,200
Speaker 1: be up there. Good thing we don't have a lower

2706
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:25,640
Speaker 1: third for it, but there you go. You can see

2707
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:27,839
Speaker 1: all of our various places. You can catch us on

2708
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: social media. Morningcombat at gmail dot com for Wednesday, show,

2709
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 1: for Friday, show for everything in between. If you want

2710
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:35,919
Speaker 1: to reach the show, that's the place to go. Showtime

2711
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,240
Speaker 1: dot Com is the label that pays. You can go

2712
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 1: to Showtime dot com get a thirty day free trial,

2713
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:43,280
Speaker 1: Morningcombat dot Store for everything else. And BC we've got

2714
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 1: those interviews. We've got. You spoke to Chandler, you spoke

2715
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:50,040
Speaker 1: to Paeana, I spoke to Rose. Those are already up

2716
02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:52,040
Speaker 1: and then the Kayla interview is gonna be up at three.

2717
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:54,480
Speaker 1: Do we have any other interviews? Don't talk about some

2718
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:55,880
Speaker 1: stuff that we may or may not be doing later

2719
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 1: in the week, but anything like remote that you're gonna

2720
02:06:59,280 --> 02:06:59,560
Speaker 1: be doing.

2721
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,240
Speaker 2: No, but we're going to be doing some stuff later

2722
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:03,440
Speaker 2: in the week that's going to be awesome.

2723
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,120
Speaker 1: Okay, it is going to be fucking awesome.

2724
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever publish that? Two things? Okay,

2725
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:10,880
Speaker 2: One the Other High Court that we filmed with Chuckman

2726
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 2: and Hall, and two that free throw competition we had

2727
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:18,760
Speaker 2: during our Billy Madison you know, decathlon of.

2728
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Billy Madison thing I think is dead forever.

2729
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 1: They may turn that into b role at some point,

2730
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:30,680
Speaker 1: but that I would not expect that to see the

2731
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:33,520
Speaker 1: light of day. It's great, great, But the other high

2732
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 1: Court it will. I think the Other High Court will

2733
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 1: eventually have a use. Yes, I think that will get

2734
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: brought out for sure.

2735
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also, BC, I want to make sure I note that

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Speaker 1: Real Madrid won La Liga over the weekend, the thirty

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Speaker 1: fifth championship that they've claimed in that league, which makes

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Speaker 1: them the most dominant team in terms of total league

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Speaker 1: wins in all of European history.

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Speaker 2: So, given your deep connection to Spain and Madrid.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is merely one of the tourists who fell

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Speaker 1: in love with the country. I recognize that these are

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Speaker 1: quite tenuous, but.

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Speaker 2: Call you a bandwagon jumper at all, Like if you if.

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Speaker 1: You are under the impression that any criticism of my

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Speaker 1: fandom you trying to police it means anything. I strongly

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Speaker 1: encourage you to keep going because you.

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Speaker 2: Know where I come from.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: You can't talk trash about a team that you're not

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Speaker 2: day one on. So it's like a you know, foreigner

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Speaker 2: landing in New York and buying a Yankees hat at

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Speaker 2: the airport and going, this my team, Now, are they

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Speaker 2: any good? Yeah, sir, they win all the damn time. Okay, great,

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Speaker 2: it's my team now, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's a little bit simplistic because I

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Speaker 1: didn't pick them from winning. I picked Spain as a

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Speaker 1: country that I just fell in love with in the

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Speaker 1: Madrid in particular, and then from there it landed into that.

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Speaker 1: But if you would like to rearrange the order of

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Speaker 1: truth to make it more in line with a joke

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Speaker 1: you can make, you're allowed to do that, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't actually change the reality anyway.

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Speaker 2: Inspecter of your own backstory, you'd be back in the

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Speaker 2: Indian national soccer team a lot more often, maybe even

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I go to DC United games all the time, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not like dude. They play in a

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Speaker 1: different league and they're not related and it's not like

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for a different team in the same league.

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Speaker 1: They don't even play in the same fucking continent. Like,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean.

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Speaker 2: What does that nation, though have to do to to

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Speaker 2: to win your love the nation that created you?

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Speaker 1: The Oh you mean like India? Yeah, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know they got good wrestlers. They have a good wrestling team.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I gotta I got the DC flag right here.

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Speaker 2: But don't don't ask where I was born because I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: Because I wasn't born there. That's true, all right, four BC,

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Speaker 1: four CBS Sports for showtime for Malca and everyone in between.

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Speaker 1: Remember we're going to be in studio later this week,

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Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal.