Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Golstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, director,
Speaker 1: a chippan, and I love films. As C. S Lewis
Speaker 1: once said, a children's story that can only be enjoyed
Speaker 1: by children is not a good children's story and the
Speaker 1: slightest inside out to fucking wreck me, brother. And I'm
Speaker 1: a proper grown up and shit very good point. C.
Speaker 1: S Lewis. Every week I'm invite a special guest. I
Speaker 1: tell them they've died, and I get them to discuss
Speaker 1: their life through the films that meant that. Most of
Speaker 1: the previous guests include Barry Jenkins and but Ruffin Frost,
Speaker 1: Sharon Stone, and even but this week it is the
Speaker 1: brilliant comedian and star of all the things you love.
Speaker 1: It is mister Phil Wag. The last seven dates of
Speaker 1: my American stand up Tour the second Best Night of
Speaker 1: your Life. They're online at Brett Golstein tour dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to Colorado, I'm coming to Atlanta. I'm coming
Speaker 1: to New Orleans. I'm coming to Fort Lauderdale. I'm coming
Speaker 1: to Baltimore, I'm coming to Seattle, and I'm coming to Bellingham.
Speaker 1: Get your tickets at Breath Goldstein Tour dot com. We'll
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Speaker 1: get extra twenty minutes of stuff with Philly Philly Wang Wang.
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Speaker 1: patreon dot com. Forward slash Breck Goldstein. So Phil Wang.
Speaker 1: Phil Wang is one of the greats. He's one of
Speaker 1: the great comedians. He's got a new special out on Netflix.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. He's fucking funny. You know him
Speaker 1: from Taskmaster, you know him from your dreams. He's got
Speaker 1: a podcast called bud Pod with Pianavelli Issa led I
Speaker 1: love Phil so much. I was so glad we got
Speaker 1: to do this on Zoom a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: It was very nice to hang out with him, and
Speaker 1: I think you're really going to love this one. So
Speaker 1: that is it for now. I very much hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy episode three hundred and seventeen of Films to Be
Speaker 1: Buried with Hello and Welcome to Films to be buried with.
Speaker 1: It is me Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today
Speaker 1: by an actor, a writer, a taskmaster, a podcaster, a netflixer.
Speaker 1: He's a Disney pluser, a three body problemer, a life
Speaker 1: after betha a stand up, a legend, the president of
Speaker 1: Cambridge University, a bud podder, a hero, a edge lord,
Speaker 1: a sex pest and icon no redacted and an icon't please.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people on the entire planet. Actually,
Speaker 1: do you know what? I was going to specify within comedy,
Speaker 1: but I take you out of comedy. Will be one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people here. He is. I ain't seen
Speaker 1: you in ages. Delighted to see him. If you're on Batrin,
Speaker 1: you're looking at him too. He's got a wonderful tash.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show. It's the amazing. It's Philly.
Speaker 1: Philly wag wag. Yeah. Everyone high film heads.
Speaker 2: High buried the brats. Thanks for having me, Brett. It's
Speaker 2: so nice to see you. Oh, it's wonderful to see you.
Speaker 2: You're in England. Are in Peckham. I'm in England, jolly
Speaker 2: old Peckham in South London, where I live with my
Speaker 2: shirts and we have a wonderful It's not it's not much,
Speaker 2: but we might get home. We might get home.
Speaker 1: Now, what are you? What are you up to? Young man?
Speaker 1: You've been doing lots of acting. That's a brilliant acting.
Speaker 1: Have you got a new stand up show for those
Speaker 1: of us who want it? What's going on?
Speaker 2: I do have got a new I've got a new
Speaker 2: stand up special on Netflix called Wang in Their Baby
Speaker 2: and it's out.
Speaker 1: It's out. Oh well, by the time this comes out,
Speaker 1: that's fucking so exciting. Your second special, Yeah, my second
Speaker 1: Netflix special. I filmed it at the sam Want to
Speaker 1: make a playhouse in the Shakespeare's Globe. It's like completely
Speaker 1: wooden and all the timey, and it's lit by can
Speaker 1: is bare wood and candles, an ideal combination the naked
Speaker 1: flames and dry wood that sounds really dangerous. How long
Speaker 1: had you been working on that show? How many times
Speaker 1: did you film it? What was it like? Tell me everything?
Speaker 2: Well, it's a show that I've been touring a version
Speaker 2: of since twenty twenty two, but I reckon like half
Speaker 2: of it's different already. I filmed it twice in Monday
Speaker 2: at night. Okay, it is my favorite show I've done.
Speaker 2: I think it's my funniest show. It is my silliest show,
Speaker 2: and I kind of think of it as my first roppers,
Speaker 2: honest me. Really me special because the first special was
Speaker 2: during COVID Really it is swift Tail and COVID film
Speaker 2: the London Padium. I sold out the London Palladium of
Speaker 2: capacity or social distancing of full sellout, so.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, tickets that could be sold was held.
Speaker 2: All legally available tickets were sold. People were in their masks,
Speaker 2: and I can see you when I watch it. I
Speaker 2: can see like I can see the lockdowns in my
Speaker 2: eyes right, And there's material about COVID in it, and
Speaker 2: it felt impossible not to mention at the time, And
Speaker 2: now I think it kind of dates that special, but
Speaker 2: that's fine because I like to move on.
Speaker 1: Do you know what. When I watched that special, which
Speaker 1: I really loved and I thought it was brilliant, I
Speaker 1: wondered if when you were performing, I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've been outside, Like it
Speaker 1: was like it was so COVID that I was like,
Speaker 1: is this the first time you've been near this many
Speaker 1: people in a long time. It was one of the
Speaker 1: fust things, and the vibe outside that that evening was
Speaker 1: a kind of it was still that period of post
Speaker 1: lockdown where we were emerging from the darkness and blinking
Speaker 1: in the sunlight. You remember that, and everyone's kind of giddy.
Speaker 1: It felt a bit of dream like that. That was it.
Speaker 2: But I think you know, it took a little a
Speaker 2: little bit of soul out of that room having in
Speaker 2: half capacity. But this one is so I went with
Speaker 2: this show for the direct opposite crammed in together two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three hundred people in a small, beautiful,
Speaker 2: more intimate Everyone's sick, people like seezing Coffin throwing up,
Speaker 2: I'm on a girl ley the entire time. I've got
Speaker 2: a drip hooked up. It's a whole new world. It's
Speaker 2: a braver. It's my favorite, my favorite performance. That's really exciting.
Speaker 2: And of the two, how long was the gap between
Speaker 2: the two shows that recorded on the day half an hour?
Speaker 2: Oh really forty five minutes half now? And how much
Speaker 2: of each show is in the special? Do you think
Speaker 2: it's mostly Show one with peppered with Show two? What
Speaker 2: happened in show too that you didn't use any of it?
Speaker 2: Were you were too late. I completely dried up. It
Speaker 2: turns out having candles burning non stop in a room
Speaker 2: kind of dries the air out. And I like, fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes in just have you ever seen The Walking Dead?
Speaker 2: I've seen it like that, and I'd ask the stage
Speaker 2: manager to bring on a big bottle of water down
Speaker 2: old thing, and it's still wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: So I do that show.
Speaker 2: It was still a good show, but I just fromtimetime
Speaker 2: my mouth would just go and I just couldn't speak,
Speaker 2: So it didn't quite have the flow of the first one,
Speaker 2: which was moist and wet that first show, or slopping
Speaker 2: my you could hear my tongue just slopping about in
Speaker 2: my mouth.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if the first one is more slightly
Speaker 1: more relaxed, because you're like, I've got another go at this,
Speaker 1: and then you fucking spash it up. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Usually the other way around, you do the second record
Speaker 2: and you're more relaxed because you go, I've got one
Speaker 2: in the tank, right, But it did didn't work that
Speaker 2: way around the time. It's a fickle old funny businesses comedy, Brett.
Speaker 2: It's it's alchemy. When you did your Palladium one, was
Speaker 2: that one, shoot one, just two also two, and then
Speaker 2: that was the opposite the second the second recording I
Speaker 2: did the second show, I was all loose and bublet
Speaker 2: comparatively loose.
Speaker 1: So you did sell out the play here because you
Speaker 1: did half half capacity? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what I'm looking at it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great. The second show was all Annequins. Does that count?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I got pay Yeah. Having done the special, Now
Speaker 1: are you like starting from scratch again or are you
Speaker 1: taking a break? How are you? Where are you at? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Tonight I'm going to North London to do ten minutes
Speaker 2: of new material.
Speaker 1: Excited.
Speaker 2: I booked it, gigs booked for after the special, and
Speaker 2: I realized too late, Oh oh I don't have any
Speaker 2: and material does on as special, so I better get
Speaker 2: out there. So yeah, but it's my favorite part of,
Speaker 2: you know, doing stand up is having to start fresh
Speaker 2: and just go out with ideas and try and work
Speaker 2: up a ten. I love ten minutes.
Speaker 1: How ten minutes. I also think isn't an hour too
Speaker 1: long for comedy? I think it's for any Fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: the perfect length of a set. I think fifteen is
Speaker 1: the best length. Twenty is too long fifty. There's always
Speaker 1: a bit. If you're watch an amazing story to do
Speaker 1: a perfect twenty, it's really a perfect fifteen with a
Speaker 1: lull and then a banger. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: If I were, If I'm on my death bed with
Speaker 2: the love of my life watching a beautiful sunset at
Speaker 2: forty minutes, i'd go Do you want to go? I
Speaker 2: think I just need some kind of just look at
Speaker 2: my phone for a bit. I think analogy it's going
Speaker 2: on for anything? Yes, so right, football is split up
Speaker 2: into forty five minutes, and it was a lot of football.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. They really do go right. Everyone needs
Speaker 1: to stop looking at this for a bit, don't they? Fuck?
Speaker 1: You're right? Is there anything you can think of that
Speaker 1: you've watched in any form of any kind that you
Speaker 1: wished was longer?
Speaker 2: Ooh no, I don't think so. I think I always
Speaker 2: want to go home as soon as my mouth I
Speaker 2: want to go home.
Speaker 1: Do you get this? I love going home.
Speaker 2: I sometimes feel like the only reason we go out
Speaker 2: is that we get to go home afterwards.
Speaker 1: You know. I sort of think the reason to go
Speaker 1: out or go to parties it's for the debrief on
Speaker 1: the way home. That's the best bit, the bit where
Speaker 1: you go, I fucking talk to this absolutely mad, insane
Speaker 1: person and blah blah blah, this happened. And that's the bit,
Speaker 1: the bit, yeah, the bit you had to endure that
Speaker 1: terrible But the morning after when you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It good fun. It's actually like we're seeing going to
Speaker 2: see a bad movie. And I love going to see
Speaker 2: a bad movie with someone for the chat on the
Speaker 2: way home afterwards. That the best talking about this makes sense?
Speaker 2: That was so stupid, Yeah, and and and and I
Speaker 2: doubt it's like a bad movie.
Speaker 1: You do really like. I listened to your wonderful episode
Speaker 1: of Perfect Day Jessic Good Hap Fits podcast, and one
Speaker 1: of the things that was in your perfect day was
Speaker 1: staying in, doing some launch just listening to a podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh don't tempt me, don't tempt me, trying mugs and
Speaker 2: listen to the news agents doesn't get better? Funny what's
Speaker 2: in the budget? And hanging up clothes with a good time.
Speaker 1: What a guy riddled me this though? Do you? How
Speaker 1: has it all been? You've been doing lots of acting
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. You've been enjoying a bit.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know, I like it. You were
Speaker 1: fantastic in One Care for that you think, I love you.
Speaker 1: I loved that film, and I thought you were brilliant.
Speaker 1: I was so excited to see you in it. I
Speaker 1: thought you was brilliant. Oh thanks, man, I was very
Speaker 1: lucky to be us to do that. That's a real
Speaker 1: proper you added, like a proper set piece as well.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: It was so cool. Yeah, one minute forty eight seconds. Yes,
Speaker 2: we've timed it, but that I'm on so for the
Speaker 2: best best one minute forty eight Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: arguably I kick off act too, I start act too.
Speaker 1: I've just realized the thing. I wish there was more
Speaker 1: of you in One Care that could have got on.
Speaker 2: Okay, if only it could have been called Wangka, what
Speaker 2: a movie that would have been. That's that's They should
Speaker 2: do an alternate version where my character Colin is the
Speaker 2: focal point and we see the whole movie from Colin's perspective.
Speaker 1: That's a good spin off.
Speaker 2: I mean, Willie Wonker is only in it for a
Speaker 2: minute and forty eight seconds. Yeah, but we keep to
Speaker 2: see his fascinating Colin's fascinating private life. Also, I married
Speaker 2: Charlotte Richie and it together too. I know what a
Speaker 2: life colins live in the dream?
Speaker 1: Yeah he really is. What's about a Phil Wang show?
Speaker 1: TV show? TV show? Yeah? Yeah, a flat share. He's
Speaker 1: running for president. I'm just pitching right. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: rom com. But he doesn't like to leave the house.
Speaker 1: And she's an extrovert. Oh that's fun. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: is in love with her, but he's.
Speaker 2: How do they meet if I'm always at home and
Speaker 2: she's always hat he's dragged.
Speaker 1: Oh his artworks. I fucking got it right. Phil Wang
Speaker 1: has a sister. She lives with him. She is not
Speaker 1: an introvert. He's an introvert. He's going out. She's like,
Speaker 1: You've got to fucking do something with it. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I'm happy to doing my chores and
Speaker 1: listening to the newsagent. She says, well, I'm having a
Speaker 1: house party. She has a house party. You hide in
Speaker 1: your room on the house party. A girl comes into
Speaker 1: your room thinking it's the bathroom. Oh sorry, oh what's that? What?
Speaker 1: Oh you've got a post of the news agents. I
Speaker 1: listened to that YouTube talk post. There's a spark, there's
Speaker 1: a spark. You really like her. She's like, well, see
Speaker 1: you later. She leaves the next day. Your sister's like,
Speaker 1: had you made a friend last night? Oh?
Speaker 2: And you're like what was she like? Yes, she was
Speaker 2: admiring my John Soaple calendar. Yeah, my drum Soaple topless calendar.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, she's she's a party girl,
Speaker 1: that one. She like guys out all the time.
Speaker 2: That's episode where I mean, it's Beauty and the Beast, really,
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's not just Beauty and the Beast. My
Speaker 2: sister character is the witch beating the beast is more.
Speaker 2: She comes in your room to look at your news
Speaker 2: agent poster. You locked the door behind her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so you can't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a crucial difference, isn't it. And like in all
Speaker 2: such stories, she does eventually fall in love with a character. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Stockholm symptrome the movie. Well it's you. Of course
Speaker 2: she would, Oh, thank you. She's not an idiot. You know.
Speaker 1: I've seen one cut so Thereason felt for you within
Speaker 1: one minute forty eight seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just need a little confidence from one. Because
Speaker 2: of magical chocolate. I did a little dance. I do
Speaker 2: a little tap dance. I went to the studio for
Speaker 2: weeks to learn like ten seconds of the tap dancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when I saw it in the movie, I
Speaker 2: see tap dancing, I'm like, I honestly thought they see
Speaker 2: g did? I was like, that's not me, no way,
Speaker 2: look at my legs and my legs, and I thought.
Speaker 1: The gi that no way, I can believe it. Movie magic, amazing, impressed.
Speaker 1: Not easy tap dancing, I hear so they say, especially
Speaker 1: not on a table. It broke? Did you know this?
Speaker 1: The table broke? And I felt, well, I have seen
Speaker 1: you on grab notsing because I am obsessed with you,
Speaker 1: and I know everything you've ever done.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, The table broke and you you broke your wrists.
Speaker 2: I fell, I fell, I fractured my elbow. What did
Speaker 2: they do? What happened exactly after that moment you felt?
Speaker 2: That must have been horrible. I was taken away. Timothy
Speaker 2: shallow May couldn't couldn't even look me in the eye.
Speaker 2: He's so embarrassed about my gracelessness. No, no, I didn't
Speaker 2: see where he was. Actually, I was hurried off set.
Speaker 2: They said, don't let to me see, don't let Timmy's
Speaker 2: fragilize see. And they took me away and they gave
Speaker 2: me some paracetamol and then they got me back on
Speaker 2: set because I didn't do another shot, but the pain
Speaker 2: didn't set. Yeah, the paint didn't set until the next morning.
Speaker 2: The adrenaline was still pumping through me, and so I
Speaker 2: was all right. But the next morning woke up and
Speaker 2: I couldn't So we were like, oh, you just fell,
Speaker 2: and went oh ah, it was a bit, so wow,
Speaker 2: let's get back on set. Then I gotta I gotta
Speaker 2: dip Charlotte and give her a little kiss, and that
Speaker 2: was fine. And then the next morning I woke up
Speaker 2: and I couldn't twist, I couldn't turned my arm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it was fine.
Speaker 1: In the end.
Speaker 2: There was loads of There was loads of accidents going
Speaker 2: on on film sets that week because we'd just come
Speaker 2: out of COVID and loads of experts people hadn't come
Speaker 2: back to work yet and everyone was trying to catch
Speaker 2: up with filmmaking and so that kind of stuff. Those
Speaker 2: staff members were stretched, just kind of safety people and
Speaker 2: carpenter people, they'd just all been stretched thin, and so
Speaker 2: loads of accidents happening in movie sets.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're part of the history of movies. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of accidents. I forgot to tell you something. You've died.
Speaker 1: You're dead.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I actually died on set that day, did you?
Speaker 2: Is that how you died? I actually died on set
Speaker 2: on one of that day. And the timeline where I
Speaker 2: survived is in the dreams.
Speaker 1: That's your dead dream those are left behind? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: what you fell from the table.
Speaker 2: Timothy Shallamy has dreamt the timeline where I survived in
Speaker 2: order to cope with it, because he couldn't cope with
Speaker 2: the world without me. So this timeline I'm experiencing now
Speaker 2: is Timothy Shalamy's dream. In reality, I died and I'm
Speaker 2: with you now on your podcast in the afterlife.
Speaker 1: And you know what sort of weirdly tragic is when
Speaker 1: you say you watch that film and you were like,
Speaker 1: am I CGI? Of course they were, you were dead.
Speaker 1: That's how they You've seen the CGI performance that they
Speaker 1: pieced together after you died. Yeah, yeah, it's like game
Speaker 1: a death.
Speaker 2: When they replaced Bruce Lee for the second half of
Speaker 2: the movie with a guy that looks nothing like Rose,
Speaker 2: it's really jarring.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about death?
Speaker 2: I do sometimes, only because I have so much to do.
Speaker 2: But I've got so much, so much washing to do,
Speaker 2: so many dishes to do, and I can't I can't
Speaker 2: die because who's going to do them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, what do you think happens when you die?
Speaker 2: I hope nothing. I really hope nothing. If any of
Speaker 2: the monotheistic religions are correct about the afterlione, if I'm
Speaker 2: fucked because I've been making fun of the monotheistic religions.
Speaker 1: But aren't they forgiving? Isn't that like a big part
Speaker 1: of it? Months, isn't it sort of generally are the
Speaker 1: a section about forgiveness? Some of them are forgiving, some
Speaker 1: of them are quite revenge y. It depends what you've
Speaker 1: been rude about, I suppose.
Speaker 2: But even like Old Testament God versus New Testament God
Speaker 2: is like revengee versus forgive me. I hope fully it's
Speaker 2: a forgivey. But then if it's forgive you what you know,
Speaker 2: then practicing religious people have good reason to be annoyed
Speaker 2: MM because you didn't do the work. It's like, imagine
Speaker 2: because they've been praying, putting all the time, And imagine
Speaker 2: you paid all like thousands of pounds for the business
Speaker 2: class and then you got on the plane and all
Speaker 2: the secure business class. Business Like, you're still got to
Speaker 2: be business class. But it's not right that other people
Speaker 2: we didn't pay lots gone. You know, that's the only
Speaker 2: energy I can think of in my life.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that the money they ASTs sort of
Speaker 1: part of the joy of getting to heaven is like
Speaker 1: not everyone gets to go, like it's an exclusive, it's
Speaker 1: an exclusive, sort of.
Speaker 2: Memorize it's the big Soho house in the sky.
Speaker 1: Well that seems against the forgiving part, Like it may
Speaker 1: be the lesson is for those people. Hey, we were
Speaker 1: all the same, all alone. That's the big twist. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hear you.
Speaker 2: I'd like to just go back to say, I imagine death
Speaker 2: is what you experienced before you were born, which is nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, you say that I don't remember before three so.
Speaker 2: To you like three years old, the three PM today, three.
Speaker 1: Years old, I don't remember before three years out, So raha.
Speaker 1: I might expect when people say like, well I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened before I was born. You
Speaker 1: might have done, but you've forgotten a lot. Like at
Speaker 1: one if we'd asked you at one years old and
Speaker 1: you had language, what was it like when you was
Speaker 1: in the room. You might have said, oh, yeah, a
Speaker 1: couple of things going on interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well then if I don't, yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 2: really worried about being punished at the end. I went
Speaker 2: to very strict Chinese school, and so I've always had
Speaker 2: a great fear of punishment. And for that reason, I
Speaker 2: don't want there to be an afterlife. I just want
Speaker 2: to go to sleep. I wanted to be black.
Speaker 1: What if it's only heaven, there's no hell? Because you're
Speaker 1: you're still thinking very revengee. I'm leaning more forgive me,
Speaker 1: forgive me. Okay, Well, but then what does heaven look like,
Speaker 1: because it just clouds and gates. Heaven has never been
Speaker 1: all that well sold to us. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't understand what the appeal is. Well, let me tell
Speaker 1: you what heaven is. It's feelings. The favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite thing is charkway Tiao, which is Malaysian
Speaker 2: flat rice noodles. My god, cook a really high heat
Speaker 2: in a big walk. It's fucking everywhere, mate, is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, okay. The seats are made out of it,
Speaker 1: but at the right temperature that they don't burn you.
Speaker 1: The wolves make you lean against it, and you have
Speaker 1: a little lean when you're talking to a lady. You
Speaker 1: have a little lean on your on your rice noodles
Speaker 1: at the right temperature, you eat them. It's fucking great.
Speaker 1: And everyone's everyone there. It's really excited to see you,
Speaker 1: of course, and they're huge fans of any fans really,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's huge. All the Saints, all the Saints.
Speaker 1: They're banging to your stuff. I'm telling you, forgive me forgetty.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the okay, great, well, great, this is
Speaker 1: I haven't I I like the sound of and the
Speaker 1: news agents are there. I don't even dead by the time,
Speaker 1: time and space. They're there and they're just like they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite episode? And you're chatting about stuff, and
Speaker 1: everyone wants now about your life but through film, which
Speaker 1: is so weird. And the first thing I ask you
Speaker 1: is what's the first film you remember seeing? Philly Philly
Speaker 1: wang Way.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you ask. I'm made lists because I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure it was Batman Returns the nineteen ninety two
Speaker 2: Tim Burton.
Speaker 1: One of my all time favorite films, is it? I
Speaker 1: fucking love that My Returns. It's the best one of
Speaker 1: all of them, of all films, but I think it's
Speaker 1: the best one going talk to me.
Speaker 2: Vibe for pure vibes, for pure Batman vibes.
Speaker 1: All that. It's sexy, it's scary, it's cool, it's wild.
Speaker 1: I find it. The penguin, like Danny DeVito, is amazing.
Speaker 1: That Danny Vito is genuinely scary in that film I had.
Speaker 1: But he eats a fish raw bite someone's nose of
Speaker 1: horrible Michelle Fife, Michelle and all that leather.
Speaker 2: Sea's unbelievable. It's awesome, it's so good. It's so beautiful
Speaker 2: and sort of creepy when when penguin dies and the
Speaker 2: the penguins pick him up and roll him into the
Speaker 2: underground lake. My days, it's quite moving. And Batman kills
Speaker 2: people in it, like there's at least two people Batman
Speaker 2: flat out killed. It's it's wild man. You don't get
Speaker 2: to see Batman kill people in many movies. I go
Speaker 2: to my cousin Brian's house in Malaysia, and every time
Speaker 2: I went, because he had he had Batman returns in VHS.
Speaker 2: This is me at like four or five years old.
Speaker 2: That's say Batman, let's wash Batman, please, let's watch Batman,
Speaker 2: and his father would go my uncle uncle alegs go okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and they put in Batman Returns and I just be
Speaker 2: so happy. It's my favorite thing in the world. Just
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 1: Mood. He's so beautiful. It is beautiful. It's a beautiful
Speaker 1: looking film.
Speaker 2: So Michael Keaton has to turn his whole body every
Speaker 2: time you need to look like the right because they hadn't.
Speaker 2: The suit was just a single piece of latex. You
Speaker 2: couldn't move the head separately, so he had to something
Speaker 2: called as attention is left. You'd have to just spin
Speaker 2: his whole body from the way startup over. It was
Speaker 2: ridiculous and brilliant.
Speaker 1: Also, when people say things are silly, I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: telling me a scene where Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle
Speaker 1: turn up at a masked board and they're the only
Speaker 1: two people not in masks, isn't profoundly deep?
Speaker 2: I don't know you. Oh shoot, that's really good. I
Speaker 2: even forgot I forgot that details of business. Yeah yeah. Also,
Speaker 2: I have a theory about Batman's to tell me, I
Speaker 2: have a theory about Batman's. People who play Batman's. My
Speaker 2: theory is an actor can only be a good Batman
Speaker 2: or a good Bruce Wayne. Michael Keaton great Batman, bad
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne, where as Christian Bale great Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1: Bad Batman. What do you think? I like it as
Speaker 1: a sort of thing to say, but I don't agree.
Speaker 1: I think Mike does both. But I agree with Christian Bayer, right,
Speaker 1: right right. I think marke Keaton's Bruce Way, and it
Speaker 1: is also very good for me.
Speaker 2: The only truly great Batman and Bruce Wayne is Kevin Conroy,
Speaker 2: who did God Rest his Soul. The voice of Batman
Speaker 2: in the animated series and in a couple of the
Speaker 2: films Batman. Mask of the Phantasm is probably the greatest
Speaker 2: Batman movie. I think it's fabulous.
Speaker 1: Do you love? Is Batman your favorite of the superheroes? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ever since I was a kid, I just loved Batman
Speaker 2: because who's like a lone weird little creep who liked
Speaker 2: maths and gadgets. And that's what, for some reason though,
Speaker 2: was both to me, a lonely man who's good at maths.
Speaker 2: For some reason I related to that. You did engineering
Speaker 2: is a degree that's right in no small part because
Speaker 2: of Batman. Probably I did engineering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I studied that is done anything for you.
Speaker 2: I think it helps a lot with comedy, because both
Speaker 2: comedy and engineering are about logic and structure and pattern
Speaker 2: spotting and experimentation. So I think it prepared me very
Speaker 2: well for comedy. Good thank you for saying that it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever? Do you ever make stuff?
Speaker 1: Physical stuff like physically buildings? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, not so much anymore. I mean the odd bit
Speaker 2: of Ikea furniture. I assembled a little letter shelf, shelved,
Speaker 2: put my letters in great hands on. I've got very
Speaker 2: soft hands. I go my hands with a Malay prince.
Speaker 2: What's the film that scared you the most? Do you
Speaker 2: like being scared?
Speaker 1: Fil wing? Oh? I know you don't.
Speaker 2: I've only recently, only recently come to terms with I
Speaker 2: did a podcast for Audible called film and Hates Horror,
Speaker 2: and they forced me to watch horror movies with other
Speaker 2: comedians and I got a taste for it there little,
Speaker 2: but it's still I've mostly always hated or I hate
Speaker 2: being scared. I don't like to feel bad. Well, as
Speaker 2: a kid, I lived in this big, quiet, quite creepy
Speaker 2: house in Malaysia, surrounded by jungle basically, and so there'd
Speaker 2: always be with the weird little sounds in the night,
Speaker 2: and my imagination really run away for from me. I
Speaker 2: think kids who grew up in boring places are very
Speaker 2: wild imaginations because you have to fill the boring day
Speaker 2: is I think this film that's scared, I mean a
Speaker 2: lot scary, but the one that terrified me. I don't
Speaker 2: think I even watched the full film. I think I
Speaker 2: just saw clips of it or trailers. Was it's a
Speaker 2: Return to Oz? Yeah, that's so scared, the weird sequel
Speaker 2: to the Wizard of Oz. This is a fun family film.
Speaker 2: And Return to Oz is this creepy, disgusting movie with
Speaker 2: the severed heads and these things are right around with
Speaker 2: wheels at the end of the hands, and she's she's.
Speaker 1: Having electro shock treatment. It's so dark. She's getting legs
Speaker 1: in their heads in vases in like a library of
Speaker 1: heads and scary men on wheels with it. We had
Speaker 1: wheelly hands and feet. It's vile.
Speaker 2: Who thought that was a natural sequel to We're off
Speaker 2: to see there was a what happened?
Speaker 1: Why? Why did they do that?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? You might as well have made like
Speaker 2: a porn parodies and sold it as the equal. I
Speaker 2: mean Jesus fund that you didn't know the lyrics after
Speaker 2: We're off to see the Wizard, the Wizard, the Wonderful
Speaker 2: Wizard of Somewhere. That is a fucking scary film and
Speaker 2: a great show and a Disney film. Different isn't different?
Speaker 2: Diney didn't give us bark Man, Disney didn't give up.
Speaker 1: What of the film? Loves Horry, hate Harry? What? What
Speaker 1: was your best that you were forced to watch? I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: The finest scariest one was The Others with Nicole. Great baby,
Speaker 2: really good, really good. Unfortunately I was so late to
Speaker 2: it and I knew the twist, but still the journey
Speaker 2: there was great, and it's such a clever idea that twist,
Speaker 2: and it's proper spooky when the little girl has the
Speaker 2: old face. Just being in a big house, being in
Speaker 2: a big quiet house is just too scary. Man, anything
Speaker 2: within a big scary house. No thanks. I love The
Speaker 2: Babba Duke as well. When I saw The bab Duck,
Speaker 2: I saw most of my fingers, but fabulous movie. I
Speaker 2: couldn't sleep for days, but it was worth it. I
Speaker 2: loved it. And also recently I saw Host. You know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I went to UNI with the guy who plays
Speaker 2: the monster in James Uni. He was obsessed with monsters,
Speaker 2: just upseessed with old, tiny monsters, and he's made it
Speaker 2: his life. He's absolutely smashed it, and he's the monster.
Speaker 2: He's like he's the monster in a bunch of movies. Now.
Speaker 2: The host was really good and the fact that made
Speaker 2: it in lockdown on people's laptops and people's flats is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So I do now have an appreciation for a good
Speaker 2: horror movie for sure. What about crying? What's the film
Speaker 2: that made you cry? In my Do you cry?
Speaker 1: You cry?
Speaker 2: I didn't for ages, and then in my mid twenties
Speaker 2: I started crying at things in a good way.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I started going out and listening to electronic music, and
Speaker 2: that unlocked something in me. Ecstasy MDMA. The music unlocked
Speaker 2: something in me. Bright it is all I'm saying. Something
Speaker 2: about that music. Really, it just it just screwed it
Speaker 2: open A tap a tear tap in in my head.
Speaker 2: And ever since then, I've been able to really get
Speaker 2: emotional as a movie. I think as you get older
Speaker 2: as well, you become more emotional because the things, the
Speaker 2: themes that films tap into whether they're.
Speaker 1: Family or death or love mean more. When you're a kid,
Speaker 1: the teenager, even like twenty these things don't really mean
Speaker 1: very much to you. There's still mostly abstract concepts, but
Speaker 1: they start to become quite real as you get older.
Speaker 1: And the most I ever cried in the movie is
Speaker 1: quite a recent one when I went to see All
Speaker 1: of Us Strangers.
Speaker 2: I fucking loved that film so much. Yeah, all Mescale
Speaker 2: and Andrew Scott, my girlfriend watched it with me in
Speaker 2: cinema and I'm going to finish shit to just kind
Speaker 2: of stand there watching me and waiting for me to
Speaker 2: stop crying because I was just weeping as brutal. I
Speaker 2: was so so sad. Is so because a lot of
Speaker 2: movies that touch on sad things, but I've never seen
Speaker 2: something that's so viscerally well, that's just so relentlessly hart
Speaker 2: on the idea of losing your parents and missing them
Speaker 2: and wishing they've been a around for more of your life,
Speaker 2: and to the degree of hallucinating them that.
Speaker 1: Just is brutal.
Speaker 2: And the bit where you know they finally let him
Speaker 2: go and they just sort of stopped moving in that diner,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and he's ordered them neils as too
Speaker 2: much men? I just I just again. Does it to
Speaker 2: do with the part some part of my life? The
Speaker 2: time of my life I'm in, my parents are getting older,
Speaker 2: you know that sort of thing has suddenly become quite real.
Speaker 2: And I think if I'd watched a film at twenty,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have meant anything now or just bore my
Speaker 2: eyes out. Yeah, beautiful film, beautiful and then and also
Speaker 2: kind of a ghost film. There's so many theories about
Speaker 2: it about when he's actually if he's dead, When is
Speaker 2: he dead?
Speaker 1: If they're dead? When are they dead? All the scouted?
Speaker 1: Are you dead? Is everyone in the cinema dead? Who's dead?
Speaker 2: Was the director dead? Rob the investors dead? It opens
Speaker 2: up so many questions. Was the distributor dead? Was the
Speaker 2: was the best boy dead with the grips dead? Who
Speaker 2: was everyone dead?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Think he's going to win the Oscar for best Dead
Speaker 2: Editors Dead. I wanted to discuss true off pod your theory.
Speaker 2: I think I know when everyone's dead?
Speaker 1: Do you? Are you good at it? I feel pretty
Speaker 1: clear on when when death has happened in that film? Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you love? It is not
Speaker 1: acclaimed people some hate it, but you love it and conditionally,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: This one might be more of a kind of subgenre
Speaker 2: of film, but I recently watched a new member of
Speaker 2: that genre, which was Might Chamelan's track tell Me I
Speaker 2: One of My Girlfriend. It's got a great premise. Josh Hartnert,
Speaker 2: who I love, is with his daughter at a big
Speaker 2: concert and the police around the arena, and he asked
Speaker 2: the member of stuff, who are here for? And they're
Speaker 2: here for the butcher, serial killer who they know is
Speaker 2: going to be at this concert. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it looks like, but they know he's here, and you
Speaker 2: straight you very quickly find out. But Josh Hartner is
Speaker 2: the butcher and he has to get out without alerting
Speaker 2: his daughter that he is a serial killer. Great premise,
Speaker 2: great exciting, horribly fumbles. It's such a crazy movie where
Speaker 2: everyone behaves so stupidly that you kind of lose all
Speaker 2: satisfaction anytime he makes any progress, because he'll do something
Speaker 2: and the police will do something so dumb the police
Speaker 2: are like going out of their way to not catch
Speaker 2: a serial killer. It's like they've all gone on a
Speaker 2: training course on how to never catch your man, and
Speaker 2: once he there's one moment where they're so dumb not
Speaker 2: to realize it's him that you just kind of turn
Speaker 2: off and go, oh, okay, nothing matters. You can get
Speaker 2: through everything, because everyone in this is dumb. But it's
Speaker 2: still once you let go, it's really fun and it
Speaker 2: bit's unintentionally funny, and it feels like Josh Hartner's kind
Speaker 2: of in on it. And it's this genre of movie
Speaker 2: that's like all set in a single spot, which I like,
Speaker 2: and it reminds me of like Phone Booth. You remember
Speaker 2: Phone Boo with Colin Farrell. Yeah, yeah, great, just a
Speaker 2: movie with Colin farrells and gets stuck in the phone
Speaker 2: with and the sniper's holding him in there and he
Speaker 2: has to like confess to an affair or something, and
Speaker 2: the sniper's taking killing people around him, and because people
Speaker 2: keep dying around his phone but with the police around it,
Speaker 2: and he's trying to convince the police it's not him
Speaker 2: doing it and he's trapped in there. Or Red Eye?
Speaker 2: Have you seen Red Eye with Killian Murphy, Hilli Murphy,
Speaker 2: Rachel McAdam, Yes, on a plane and this is honest,
Speaker 2: he's going to kill you. I'm going to blow up
Speaker 2: this hotel and she has the plans for it to
Speaker 2: something and she has to stop him doing this. One
Speaker 2: flight or Buried when Ryan Reynolds very incredible, incredible. I
Speaker 2: like these movies, but I feel like they're never given
Speaker 2: much critical attention because they're like set in the single,
Speaker 2: their sort of concept movies more than anything.
Speaker 1: They kind of I think.
Speaker 2: People see them as they're like B movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they should be A movies. Well maybe maybe they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be A movies, but they should be appreciated for
Speaker 2: for what they are. Just little single is it?
Speaker 1: What is it called?
Speaker 2: Like a fly episode in TV? A bottle episode or
Speaker 2: a bottle episode? So the fly yes, yes, like a
Speaker 2: movie that's a bottle episode, a bottle film, I like
Speaker 2: a buttah. There's also there's also an extra layer of Trap,
Speaker 2: which you realized only we realize only after we got
Speaker 2: home and looked at reviews. Trap is set around the
Speaker 2: concept of a fictional pop star called Lady Raven, and
Speaker 2: the production value that has gone into the concert is incredible,
Speaker 2: like dancers, screens, costumes, real songs that sound like propers
Speaker 2: pop songs and he found out after the movie. Selika,
Speaker 2: who plays later Raven, is m Night Chaplain's daughter, and
Speaker 2: the whole movie. This is the big twist, the whole movie.
Speaker 2: It's a vehicle for m Night Chammelain's daughter.
Speaker 1: Amazing, what a twist. He still got it.
Speaker 2: He still got it. Then's other villain was nepotism the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 1: What is a film that you used to love but
Speaker 1: you've watched recently and you do not like it no
Speaker 1: more for whatever reason? That may be Green Street Hooligans,
Speaker 1: Green Street Hooligans with Elijah Wood about isn't the Millwall Hooligans?
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 2: And there was fighting the West Ham Hooligans. Is that right?
Speaker 1: That's about right? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I watched this film when I was in boarding
Speaker 2: school in Brunei and my roommate Pete was from Gloucestershire.
Speaker 2: He made He said to me and our other roommate Nick,
Speaker 2: you've got to see Green Street Hooligans. It's the most real,
Speaker 2: gritty movie or change your life. And we watched Green
Speaker 2: Street Hooligans and we were like, Wow, who knew football
Speaker 2: fans hated journalists specifically so much? Who knew this is
Speaker 2: what a Cockney accent sounded like? Who knew there was
Speaker 2: these firms behind It's called the firm, and every football
Speaker 2: team has a firm and each other and it's more
Speaker 2: about the fighting and the territory than the football. Is
Speaker 2: a what a gritty, almost documentary level of insights and
Speaker 2: access to the performance of a career from Elijah Wood
Speaker 2: and the main hooligan guy. And then I watched it
Speaker 2: again recently and it's a bad cartoon. It's so bad.
Speaker 2: It's horrible, it's hilarious, it's so so bad. And then
Speaker 2: there's there are supercuts of what's the main guy who
Speaker 2: plays Charlie Hannahan, who plays Pete Dunham, the main main
Speaker 2: hooligan Charlie Hanham I think is from Yorkshire and he
Speaker 2: plays a guy with a London Cockney accent and it's
Speaker 2: a crazy bad Cogney accent is really bad and they
Speaker 2: are amazing YouTube supercuts off him going all right, what
Speaker 2: is the problem over? Yeah, with the little with the pepper,
Speaker 2: with the bears and the apples or rock we love.
Speaker 2: We're just going over to blow some bubbles. We're always
Speaker 2: plowing bubbles. It's it's so so good. Oh make sure
Speaker 2: you've got a ship with Yeah, in case the old
Speaker 2: build drops down on all our boss. It's so so crazy.
Speaker 2: That was a good accent that was too good to
Speaker 2: what we were. I actually bad enough caught the accent
Speaker 2: to really convey how bad pet Pete's accent is. People's name,
Speaker 2: pet Unham's accent is in Greenstreet Hooligans. It's amazingly bad movie.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's such a teenage boys movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. What is the film that means
Speaker 1: the most to you, Phil Wag? Not necessarily the film
Speaker 1: itself is good, but the experience you had seeing the
Speaker 1: film makes it special for you, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it is The Raid go On, great movie,
Speaker 2: the Indonesian action movie, The Raid. Another bottle movie, A
Speaker 2: great bottle movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one bottle.
Speaker 2: This was special because I watched it with some friends
Speaker 2: at the cinema and the come through and it's Silat,
Speaker 2: which is a Malaysian Malay Indonesian martial art, and I've
Speaker 2: never seen select depicted on the film before. And it's
Speaker 2: so brutal, it's so beautifully filmed. The fighting is so
Speaker 2: raw and violent and crunchy. I've never seen anything lining it.
Speaker 2: And I thought, my dad's gonna love this. Now. My
Speaker 2: father and I. You know, Dad, sometimes it's hard to
Speaker 2: find an experience to share with your dad. And I've
Speaker 2: always had that. I've got a wonderful father, but we've
Speaker 2: never it's without many times we've just really connected over
Speaker 2: a shared experience. And I went home to bath and
Speaker 2: I said to Dad, you need to see this movie
Speaker 2: to the Raid. And he went, yeah, okay, okay, what
Speaker 2: is it. It's about Stilla. You're like okay, yeah, yeah, nice, okay.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to watch it with my mum
Speaker 2: in the room because you'd be like, oh, this is horrible,
Speaker 2: what's this? Stop it? So I got on my laptop
Speaker 2: and I said, come and we want. Me and my
Speaker 2: dad walk up to my teenage bedroom and I just
Speaker 2: set it up on the table. We put up a
Speaker 2: little chairs so we just watch. We watched The Raid
Speaker 2: on my laptop in a dark bedroom. That's too long
Speaker 2: vil as well. Yeah, I just sat next to each
Speaker 2: other in my bedroom, is all cramped watching watching the Raid.
Speaker 2: And he's going, no, this is see nice, nice. I
Speaker 2: see the punch of that. You have to punch it
Speaker 2: because see he does kofu. He don't come for his
Speaker 2: whole life, do you. Yeah, we learned it as well,
Speaker 2: suringi kempo is the muscle that we learned. Is how
Speaker 2: my parents met. My mum when she moved. She was
Speaker 2: volunteered in Borneo and she took martial arts lessons and
Speaker 2: my dad was an instructor, and that's how they met.
Speaker 2: So I, oh komfo my life.
Speaker 1: Are you good at it? Yes? I could.
Speaker 2: I will destroy you, bread Brett, if you and I
Speaker 2: ever find I will kill you.
Speaker 1: Fuck I would know I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I will think you with your power and your muscles,
Speaker 2: I will. I'll break your I'll break your legs. Jesus, Brett,
Speaker 2: I love you. You're a good friend. I'll break your leggs.
Speaker 2: You've been watching too much Green Street. Oh no, I'll
Speaker 2: break your legs. I'll break your I'll break your chicken eggs.
Speaker 2: I'll break your chickens eggs.
Speaker 1: I will so you you count And you loved it
Speaker 1: on your laptop, the two of you in the dark.
Speaker 1: We watched it, just in the dark of the two
Speaker 1: just a man and his son, father and son, a
Speaker 1: classic beautiful father and son activity. And at the end,
Speaker 1: he said, he said, Okay, yeah, very good film. And
Speaker 1: then I closed the laptop and went back downstairs and
Speaker 1: joined the family for I don't know, a bargain hunt.
Speaker 1: But that was a special experience. Have you watched The
Speaker 1: Raid too with him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: The Raid too?
Speaker 2: Watching my own, it's not quite as good. And a
Speaker 2: character comes back played by someone who dies in the
Speaker 2: first movie, and it took me ages to realize he's
Speaker 2: playing a different character and they had resurrected a dead
Speaker 2: guy from the first movie. So it's a bit confusing.
Speaker 2: And it's not a bottle.
Speaker 1: What's this? Definitely not what's the film you most relate to?
Speaker 1: I most relate to? You know what?
Speaker 2: I think it might be magic Mike, it's I I
Speaker 2: not stupid, it's magic, Mike. I've never seen my number
Speaker 2: of abs represented on screen.
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a movie, a Singapore movie from two
Speaker 2: thousand and two called I'm Not Stupid, and it's about
Speaker 2: the Singaporean schoolboys who I don't know if you have
Speaker 2: it here, but in our primary school and secondary school
Speaker 2: in Malaysia and Singapore, we have streams and if you're
Speaker 2: if you're clever, you get in, like into the clever stream.
Speaker 2: If you're dumb, you get into the dumb stream. And
Speaker 2: it's about a bunch of boys who get into the
Speaker 2: dumb stream at school and it's just I can I
Speaker 2: can barely remember the plot points now, but I just
Speaker 2: remember watching it and the accents was so Singaporean, which
Speaker 2: is like basically Malaysian accents, and the terms of phrase,
Speaker 2: and the way the kids, the kid actors in are
Speaker 2: so good and always like, oh, I don't be like this,
Speaker 2: and using this off Singapore and Malayian in terms of phrase.
Speaker 2: Why like that one the omba And I just found
Speaker 2: it so funny because it's the vernacu An actual I
Speaker 2: grew up with, and I've never seen on the screen
Speaker 2: people talk like that. The only other time was in
Speaker 2: Crazy Acasians. For the most part, these people don't speak
Speaker 2: the way Malaysians and singapore And speak. And a Kofina,
Speaker 2: incredibly in Crazier rig Asians is meant to be Singaporean,
Speaker 2: but she sounds like she's from Brooklyn because she went
Speaker 2: to university there for two years whatever. But when they
Speaker 2: come back, when they come back, there's her Auntie I
Speaker 2: think is played by real singapore And actress, and the way
Speaker 2: she speaks is the way like Chinese Malasians speak, that
Speaker 2: kind of brash Chinese Malasis Singapore and accent.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Oh don't ay?
Speaker 2: Come on, it's just so funny and I've never seen
Speaker 2: on screen, let alone like a I mean, I've never
Speaker 2: seen that on a big movie screen.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. But I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2: It's full of that and it will mean nothing to
Speaker 2: most people watching this movie. But if you grew up
Speaker 2: in Singapore, Malaysia, try and watch. I'm not stupid because
Speaker 2: it's it's really special. What a perfect answer. You must
Speaker 2: have been put in the clever stream, I'm assuming Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was put in science stream aka clever stream. Wow,
Speaker 2: what's the thinkies? Stream code art? Yeah, he's an artist.
Speaker 1: I think that banging his head with a stick, he's
Speaker 1: an artist.
Speaker 2: What he's getting all those f's as a performances?
Speaker 1: The sexiest film come on? Film? You know what?
Speaker 2: I think it might be this French Belgian film called Raw.
Speaker 2: Did you see Raw about about the cannibal The girl
Speaker 2: learn to be a vet in in the Cannibals? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she also learned to be a vet and her sister
Speaker 2: accidainly chops off a finger, and the girl licks a
Speaker 2: bit of this severed finger, and like she changes and
Speaker 2: she discovers she has a taste of human blood, and
Speaker 2: her sister comes to with her, the main character just
Speaker 2: gnawing on her sister's finger, and the main girl goes
Speaker 2: to such a good spiral and they basically like cannibalism
Speaker 2: is used as this sort of extreme metaphor for like
Speaker 2: teenage lust and sex university and discovering your sexuality at
Speaker 2: that point of your life. But using cannibalism as a
Speaker 2: metaphor makes it really visceral and gross, and and there's
Speaker 2: a there's like a real rosophobia the movie, and like
Speaker 2: when when the students are all dancing together this underground
Speaker 2: in this small room, and and her dormitory is really small,
Speaker 2: and she fancies this guy and and and but she
Speaker 2: also wants to eat him and she has and it's
Speaker 2: all like tearing a flesh because they're learning veterinaries. And
Speaker 2: then there's this great reveal at the end, but why
Speaker 2: she feels that way, it's really really good. And this
Speaker 2: is clearly iconic scene of her dancing in front of
Speaker 2: her mirror and she's just staring at herself and like,
Speaker 2: is she hungry? Is she turned on by herself?
Speaker 1: Is she you know?
Speaker 2: It's it's really really sexy but also really really gross.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, for something to be really
Speaker 2: sexy has to be kind of gross, because sex is
Speaker 2: kind of gross. You disagree, could you elaborate on the well,
Speaker 2: because sex is animalistic and and squelchie and body parts
Speaker 2: flying around, and it's you know, you kind of want
Speaker 2: to devour each other, and this movie just kind of
Speaker 2: takes out to her. It's metaphorical extreme. Have you seen
Speaker 2: Titane or sit In? You know I haven't the same
Speaker 2: movie makers, it's the same director.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love it? Oh my god. You like sexy
Speaker 1: and sexy and gris and weird and also sexy. You
Speaker 1: love that. You'll leave it up if that's your sexiest
Speaker 1: what's your traveling worrying? Why don't space jam? Lady Lola Bunny?
Speaker 2: Get name out your fucking mouth, Lola Bunny, that's right, cartoon.
Speaker 1: Get my Bunny's name out your fucking mouth. Brett. I'll
Speaker 1: break your legs.
Speaker 2: I'll break your legs. I'll break your I'll break your chair,
Speaker 2: your chair, your your your wooden pegs, I'll break your Yeah, Man,
Speaker 2: Lola Bunny.
Speaker 1: Egs, that's yeah, you get you get it. Subjectively the
Speaker 1: greatest filmable time for me, it's Mary Poppins. Ah, fuck you,
Speaker 1: you are correct. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's so dark, and I think, was it like with
Speaker 2: the first of the Disney movies that the sets were
Speaker 2: painted like with the base black first.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I might be thinking Aboutman the animated series, but it's
Speaker 2: a similar vibe to Batman the animated series. All everything's
Speaker 2: pretty dark and rainy, and London looks so beautiful like
Speaker 2: and it looks like a stage set, but there's also
Speaker 2: a movie set. And the songs are unbelievable and that
Speaker 2: I cry so hot at that. So that's something that's
Speaker 2: matured with me in that movie. When I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I watched and I enjoy it, going oh, this is
Speaker 2: a movie about children. And then I watched it again
Speaker 2: a few years ago on Christmas. It's about as someone
Speaker 2: who's entering his fatherhood age and I realized and I realized,
Speaker 2: this is a movie about fatherhood. It's about mister Bangs,
Speaker 2: and I just started weeping, Oh my god at the
Speaker 2: near the end when birds at the fireplace and he said,
Speaker 2: he starts singing, and pretty soon they're up and grown,
Speaker 2: and then they've flown, and mister Bannings is realizing he's
Speaker 2: spending too much time at work and going to miss
Speaker 2: his children's childhood. Oh my god, I just telling it.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Saving mister Banks?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it. I also cried a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that killed me brilliant, that killed me dead,
Speaker 1: that broke my legs. That one wonderful answer. What is
Speaker 1: the film you could or have watched the most over
Speaker 1: and over again?
Speaker 2: Well, the film I have watched the most is probably
Speaker 2: The Dark Knight. Everyone talks about the Night Night on here,
Speaker 2: and I think I'm probably knighted out at this point.
Speaker 2: The film I could watch again and again and again
Speaker 2: is Mad Max Fury Road.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, what a movie. What a movie?
Speaker 2: I mean, talk about an unlikely boner. I think I
Speaker 2: got one watching up the first time, just the crunch
Speaker 2: and the loudness, and when the guitarists flamed their guitarist
Speaker 2: guy appears. Oh my days, I gave me a bonner.
Speaker 2: It's just so good and and such an antidote to
Speaker 2: the age of CG. You know, everything is real and
Speaker 2: apparently everyone people make it were like.
Speaker 1: We should have survived. It looks like it.
Speaker 2: And apparently like before they edit they thought it was
Speaker 2: there was a flop. It didn't make any sense. It
Speaker 2: was a disaster, a dangerous, expensive disaster. And the edit
Speaker 2: they made it work. And it's one of the greatest
Speaker 2: films I've ever made. I just think it's incredible, and
Speaker 2: it's so it's like so exciting for two hours, so
Speaker 2: amazing rush and it's just like, I mean, talk about simplicity.
Speaker 2: It's just one drive three times straight. It's a straight line.
Speaker 2: They're just going in a straight made really good, so beautiful.
Speaker 2: And then the sequel, Furious is really really good as well,
Speaker 2: but a bit longer. It's not quite as tight and
Speaker 2: perfect as it's.
Speaker 1: Basically it's not. Fury is basically a bottle film because
Speaker 1: it's like straight, right, Furious is.
Speaker 2: Like five bowles. Yeah, it's like a life it's a lifetime. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I could watch that again and again and again.
Speaker 2: It's just like going on a roller coaster again, and
Speaker 2: you could just go again and again and again. You
Speaker 2: rolly pasters, you're like being scared like that. I have
Speaker 2: a similar relationship to re courses, as I do with
Speaker 2: scary movies, Like once I've gone through one, I'm like,
Speaker 2: that was great, but it's really hard to get me
Speaker 2: on there. I'm always scared something's broken. I think as
Speaker 2: I grew up in a country with stuff is always broken,
Speaker 2: and now I live in a country where stuff is
Speaker 2: always broken. That I I've always thought the scariest thing
Speaker 2: to have for a roller coaster ride is in the queue.
Speaker 2: Like it's presented as a normal ride with the Pharaoh's
Speaker 2: curse or whatever, and you know, this does seem so scary,
Speaker 2: But in the queue you get actors to just like
Speaker 2: behind a little curtain, like a boss shouting at an
Speaker 2: engineer and showing him plans and saying, what the hell
Speaker 2: is this? And they turn and see you in the
Speaker 2: queue and they pull the curtain.
Speaker 1: That's great. And maybe some some screws just on the
Speaker 1: floor in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe someone just dropped screws. Yeah, just drops
Speaker 2: another bot.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea, And just and and and as
Speaker 1: you get near it, just somewhere in the booth game
Speaker 1: just fucking just moved them, just moved them out the way.
Speaker 2: It's fine. It's someone going it's fine. It's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't need to replace it. It's fine, it's fine. Statistically,
Speaker 2: it can't happen again today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's the worst film we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: We don't like it to be too negative film.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably Elvis, just Butler, Elvis. It's the
Speaker 2: worst movie I've ever seen. I watched it because my
Speaker 2: girlfriend is obsessed with the movie. She's seen a movie
Speaker 2: six times. I watched it once and felt like I've
Speaker 2: seen it six times. I've never seen a movie like it.
Speaker 2: It's relentless. Give me a fucking headache, man. The movie
Speaker 2: Elvis is like watching a three hour long trailer for
Speaker 2: the movie Elvis. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It does make or something.
Speaker 2: It's all the spinning wheel things are turned into other
Speaker 2: wheel of things. Someone needs to tell a bas Lemon.
Speaker 2: You can just have a screen, white man. You can
Speaker 2: just transition. Just cut. You don't have to have a
Speaker 2: spinning roulette. We all turn into a spinning tire, turning
Speaker 2: into a spinning stage, turning into the moon. Just cut it, man.
Speaker 2: I couldn't stand in a movie. It was confusing. It
Speaker 2: didn't grab me. I didn't didn't make any sense. It
Speaker 2: was crazy. I think it's the worst movie I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing comedy, you're about to release your second special,
Speaker 1: what's the film that made you laugh the most Philly
Speaker 1: Philly Wang Way, There are a few. The one that
Speaker 1: comes to mind is Book Smart. Great film, so relates,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It was relatable because it's such. It's
Speaker 1: set in high school and high school and it's a
Speaker 1: couple of girls who've been real bookish and studious and
Speaker 1: disciplined realize all the cool kids that, like a bunch
Speaker 1: of the cool kids at school have also gotten into
Speaker 1: like Gail and Brown and good universities, and when when
Speaker 1: they when that's revealed the movie, I've got like a
Speaker 1: panic attack. The idea of like the fun kids who
Speaker 1: went to parties getting into the good univers getting into
Speaker 1: Bridge too. I was like, don't you fucking dare? That
Speaker 1: was like the scariest thing I've ever seen in the movie, right,
Speaker 1: And so that really hit me hard. And so then
Speaker 1: the rest of the movies about the two main girls
Speaker 1: trying to make up for all the fun they missed
Speaker 1: out on at school, and it's just such a great,
Speaker 1: crazy chaotic it's not that crazy, it's a chaotic kind
Speaker 1: of like road trip movie, but it's in there on town.
Speaker 1: It's I guess it's reminiscent of what's that movie super Bad?
Speaker 1: Super Bad and that one with Matthew McConaughey when he's
Speaker 1: young days and confused, Days and Confused is a bit
Speaker 1: like that, but it's about heaven, like not everyone's welcome.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that how you felt about the university?
Speaker 1: Is that where this comes from?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, maybe I think it's all part of the
Speaker 2: same dynamic. Yeah, yeah, I just I just think restraint
Speaker 2: should Yeah, I think restraints should be rewarded.
Speaker 1: And I practiced so much restraint in my life, you know.
Speaker 2: So The Book's to me was a horror movie but
Speaker 2: also extremely funny.
Speaker 1: It's a great film. It's just it's mad cap in this.
Speaker 1: I just like it's Red.
Speaker 2: There's a movie that's just unapologetic about having jokes in
Speaker 2: it and being silly and just having like a recurring
Speaker 2: characters and running jokes that are dumb and really makes sense,
Speaker 2: but a really funny.
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I think there's I took it
Speaker 1: once for the timing of the ending of the very
Speaker 1: last shot of that film is so perfect. It's such
Speaker 1: a well executed ending reminding what remind me what it is?
Speaker 1: It's just right at the end, it's like kind of moving.
Speaker 1: They're saying goodbye to each other. You could cry because
Speaker 1: they're not going to see each other. And then she
Speaker 1: says something like, but come and have lunch for me
Speaker 1: before I go, and she goes, fuck yeah, it cuts,
Speaker 1: and that's yeah, yeah, yeah, Phil Phil, Well Wang, what
Speaker 1: an absolute delight you have been. However, when you were
Speaker 1: in Wonka and you had rehearsed for weeks and weeks
Speaker 1: your tap dance, and you got on this table and
Speaker 1: they were filming and action and you did your tapdos
Speaker 1: and everyone their eyes lit up. They were so delighted
Speaker 1: and charmed by Charlotte Richie. She was falling in love.
Speaker 1: Everything was happening. And then the table broke under you,
Speaker 1: and as you fell, one of the table legs went
Speaker 1: straight through your skull, under your chin, out through your brain,
Speaker 1: and you were just there and everyone screamed, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: and the director all said cut, cut, and your head
Speaker 1: was on a spike and Timothy shallow May, his beautiful
Speaker 1: eyes were so shocked, and he came over to you
Speaker 1: and he kissed you on your mouth, and he said
Speaker 1: thank you for your service, and then he said, should
Speaker 1: we get lunch? And then he went off to get
Speaker 1: lunch and the castle who went to get lunch? And
Speaker 1: I was walking walking through the set with a coffin.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, because I just wanted to do
Speaker 1: a set visit and I see your head on a
Speaker 1: spike in the middle, and no one's around, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck man? And so I try and get your
Speaker 1: head off the spike, but you're absolutely fucking joined in it.
Speaker 1: So I'm having to pull you. I have to pull
Speaker 1: your head out with despite put that in the coffin,
Speaker 1: get the rest of you. Try to smash you in
Speaker 1: the coffin, but there's bits of table around ends up.
Speaker 1: The coffin is absolutely full. There's no room in it.
Speaker 1: There's only enough room for me to slip one DVD
Speaker 1: into the side for you to take across to the
Speaker 1: other side. And on the other side, it's movie night
Speaker 1: every night. What film are you taking to show all
Speaker 1: the ladies in Rise Noodle Heaven when it is your
Speaker 1: movie night? Philly Hilly Wangway. I think it would have
Speaker 1: to be everything everywhere, all at once. What a movie.
Speaker 2: What a movie, beautiful movie. I think there's still layers
Speaker 2: of it. Like I missed the first time, I could
Speaker 2: pick up again. It has a Malaysian lady in it,
Speaker 2: Michelle Yo. They'll remind me of my malaysianness, my Malaysian childhood.
Speaker 2: It's loads of Chinese people. It's funny, it's beautiful, it's unique.
Speaker 2: It's about different timelines and different lives. And you'll give
Speaker 2: me hope for the idea that maybe in a different timeline,
Speaker 2: I survived Wonka and I didn't get a table leg
Speaker 2: through my skull, and Timothy Chanamy didn't get lunch and
Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all once will remind me that such a
Speaker 2: turn that exists the multiverse is possible. And in another universe,
Speaker 2: I survived to do Wonka. To Colin, The Rise of Colin,
Speaker 2: Rise of Colin Rise, Colin Rise, Colin Rise.
Speaker 1: Phil Wang, what a joy teller. What to look out
Speaker 1: for starring Philly Wang Wang in the coming months, weeks days.
Speaker 2: Please watch for my Netflix special wang In There Baby
Speaker 2: only on Netflix. I'd love you to watch that. That'll
Speaker 2: be fantastic. Otherwise, to keep an eye out if I'm
Speaker 2: doing stand up anywhere. Anyone who listens to this. Who
Speaker 2: doesn't know Phil Wang is, which would be insane. Is
Speaker 2: really really one of the greats, and you absolutely must
Speaker 2: watched me special Phil Wang.
Speaker 1: I love you. I'm so grateful we've got to hang out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Have a wonderful death. Good
Speaker 1: day to you. Thank you, Brett. You're a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be dead with you. So that
Speaker 1: was episode three hundred and seventeen. Head over to the
Speaker 1: Patreon at patreon dot com, forward slash Brett Goldsteme for
Speaker 1: the extra secret chat and video with Phil. Come see
Speaker 1: me on tour at breakgasintour dot com. Guysch Apple Podcasts
Speaker 1: give us a five stars time. It's too much happening
Speaker 1: for everyone in it. I mean, don't do all these things.
Speaker 1: I mean you can. It depends how much time you've
Speaker 1: got it today. Anyway, I really appreciate you listening, and
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well. Thank you so much to
Speaker 1: Philly Philly Wang Wang for giving me his time. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Scruby's Pick and the Distract some pieces of Network.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia
Speaker 1: and Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network. Posting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: Adam Richardson for the graphics, Lis Alidon for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come join me next week for another brilliant guest. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime that's it for now. I hope you're
Speaker 1: all well, have a lovely week, and please now more
Speaker 1: than ever, be excellent to each others.
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