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Speaker 1: welcome back to the solid Verbal Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the Lebrea tarpits some more.

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Speaker 2: If that's good bye you. This is part two.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you had a chance to listen

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Speaker 2: So he now knows the Librea tar pits. And hopefully

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Speaker 2: if you didn't, you now do. Although didn't I promise

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Speaker 2: an international tar pit for this episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there are international tar pits, but

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Speaker 2: List of tar pits according to Wikipedia. We're all over them.

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Speaker 1: That's what you need. Yeah, I think I think that's

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Speaker 1: So let's go here. What is winging Tennessee down the most?

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Speaker 2: guy and you got to go. If it works, it works.

430
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Speaker 2: If it doesn't, it doesn't. But I'm rolling with my decision.

431
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: And so I don't think you know, you look back

432
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: at the Greg Ciano stuff and all the outrage at

433
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: various candidates throughout that's been the issue so now, and

434
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: that we saw that with Auburn and now their new

435
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: administration shut out that noise and said we're going Brian Harson.

436
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: We're not going with Kevin Steele. That's just how it's

437
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: going to work. I hope for Tennessee that it not

438
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: just worked out, but it works out because there's a

439
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: clear vision at the top. All believe it when I

440
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: see it. And I don't think Tennessee's in the similar

441
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: place to teams like USC and Miami that they're looking

442
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: back and say, why can't we be like this string

443
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: of years? Right, I don't think that exists. I don't

444
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: think they want like they're longing for the T martinears right.

445
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: And to your point, Dan, I think the hire of

446
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: Hypel illustrates, hopefully that they are blocking out the noise.

447
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: I hope because Hypel was not on most of the

448
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: shortlists I saw it is right, and that's those are

449
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: media creations with the assistance of agents and and stuff

450
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: like that. So it's hard to fully know. By the way,

451
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: do you see like light at the end of the

452
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: tunnel for Tennessee? I know we talk about hoping for it.

453
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: Do you think Tennessee is a place that can win

454
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: the SEC East as it's constituted now if things break

455
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: reasonably correct.

456
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: Not in the short term. Not in the short term.

457
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: I think we're I think recruit has been all right.

458
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: But if josh Hipel is a B plus, if Joshipel

459
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: is a solid B plus, you're like that impressive hires,

460
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: impressive results, impressive system, blah blah blah.

461
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: They contain player's second place, But you.

462
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: Don't think they can climb a Florida or Georgia mountain,

463
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: not with short term consistent top fifteen like twenty twenty four, five,

464
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

465
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course by then, but I'm saying just Q

466
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: next two years.

467
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: No josh Hipel with top fifteen recruiting classes for two years. No,

468
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: No twenty twenty four. I'll go twenty twenty four.

469
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I think at least three things.

470
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Speaker 2: If he can find some sort of analog to Mackenzie

471
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Milton or Dylan Gabriel. If he's able to find that

472
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: diamond in rough somewhere I guess Hawaii in that specific case. Sure,

473
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: if you can find that a three or four star

474
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: quarterback that turns out to be a clear quarterback of

475
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: the future, paired with a couple of top fifteen recruiting classes,

476
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: paired with NCAA violations not being as harsh as perhaps

477
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: we're thinking right now, I think you can at least

478
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 2: be one of those schools Georgia or Florida on their

479
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: way to maybe getting a good break to win the division. Sure,

480
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: I think they can. All right, It's going to take

481
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: cycles and transfers, for sure.

482
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: I want to talk Miami. Okay, let's talk about the you.

483
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Speaker 1: Miami to me may be the most interesting case study here,

484
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: maybe the most interesting case study. So let me offer

485
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: some context. Okay, because Miami was huge when we were

486
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: coming into our own as college football fans through the

487
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties. They had a legendary run for like

488
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: twenty years. The four coaches during that run, Howard Schnellenberger,

489
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Ericson, and then Butch Davis pretty exclusive company. Okay,

490
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: Butch leaves in what two thousand, two thousand. From that

491
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: point forward, I think it kicked off this era of

492
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: diminishing returns, at least on the coaching front. Larry Koker

493
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: takes over, wins the title in one really good team

494
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: that we still talk about, won a few Biggiest Championships,

495
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: kept the plane in the air for a little while,

496
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: but then he goes seven and six and two thousand

497
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: and six, and that was it. Since two thousand and six,

498
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Miami's one and eleven in Bowl games, Dan one and

499
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: eleven in Bowl games, and unfortunately part of many discussions

500
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: just like this one, debating over what how to recapture

501
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: the swagger. We did a bit on it at the

502
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Verbiest The Not the verbis the Fantasy Thing show, Yeah,

503
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: that we did recently in DC and in Texas. So

504
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: what happens after the Cocher era. Coker turns it over

505
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: to Randy Shannon. A lot of people like Randy Shannon.

506
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: I remember we had Bruce Soman on the show and

507
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: we talked, you know, maybe not in the moment about

508
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: Randy Shannon, but we talked tangentially about him. Everyone really

509
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: liked Randy Shannon, but he had one in the program already. Yeah, yeah,

510
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: he had familiarity with it. Everyone liked the guy, but

511
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: he had one nine win season. Otherwise he's a seven

512
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: to five coach. Same deal with Al Golden. We interviewed

513
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: Al Golden before he took that job, liked him too.

514
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: Neither Randy Shannon nor Al Golden could ever rekindle that fire.

515
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: I believe Randy Shannon is the current Josh Hypel interim

516
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: coach now at you sef as well. If you want

517
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: to connect it, it all comes full circle here, yes

518
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: it does.

519
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: So then they go to Mark Richt. This is interesting

520
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: on a couple of different layers because, first off, longtime

521
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: coach Georgia had a lot of success. Came as a

522
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise that they parted ways. He takes

523
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: over at Miami. You'll remember Miami guy, Miami Alum. He's

524
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: going to bring the swagger back. He knows what it's

525
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: all about. That was a three year run, Dan, It

526
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: was a three year run. Nine wins in year one,

527
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: ten wins in year two year three goes seven and six.

528
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: Then he was done too and had turnover jewelry. The

529
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: turnover chain was a nice addition, I will say. Yeah.

530
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: And now we're on to Maani Diaz and again everyone

531
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: likes the guy, terrific head of hair, right mm hmm.

532
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: But the jury is still out. The jury is still out,

533
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: so a lot of turnover there. I think the common

534
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: theme that we are finding as we go through this exercise,

535
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: it's almost always a combination of leadership and recruiting, and

536
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: that holds true for Miami. It's not just that they

537
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: haven't found the coach to build and sustain that momentum.

538
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: It's that there's been a revolving door in their athletic

539
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: department as well over the last fifteen years, guys coming

540
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and going as ad so they haven't been able to

541
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: establish bedrock. The other tentacle here, the recruiting thing. Our

542
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: friend Brody Logan wrote back to us on Twitter, and

543
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I thought he summed it up real well. He said, look,

544
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, Amri Cooper. Why Amri Cooper. He was the

545
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the Alabama pipeline into South Florida for still

546
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: position talent. It's now spilled over into every other position group,

547
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: and it's had an outsized impact on Miami football.

548
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, doesn't it ring a little true of

549
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: USC where just because you can build an incredible team

550
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: within whatever fifty miles of your campus doesn't mean you

551
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: always should. Sometimes you need people from different places, different

552
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: walks of life to build a culture. You need like

553
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: diversity of personality and birthplace and high school whatever. To

554
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: build that culture. You get everybody buying in for a

555
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: single cause there's something nice about that, and so that

556
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: has wrung true of pretty much every major program. You

557
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: need people from different walks of life and everybody comes together.

558
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: That's what you need. So works great, Dan when you've

559
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: hit critical mass and you're in the middle of your dynasty.

560
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: But when you're not. When you're not, its open season

561
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: for everyone else to move in and try to step

562
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: into your territory. And that's where Miami's found itself all

563
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: too often over the last fifteen years or so.

564
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's also they haven't found a quarterback.

565
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Brad Kaya is pretty good. There were some

566
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: nice Stephen Morris games. There were you know, Jacorey Harris

567
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: had a nice season, but They've ridden guys for a

568
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: long time, and those guys don't necessarily have big ceilings.

569
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: We've seen what three different quarterbacks these last three years.

570
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: You have Malik Rogier and Akos Perry and Jaron Williams,

571
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: and this year Derek King is finally finally a complete

572
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: and absolute stud for the Canes and he gets hurt.

573
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: So I'm curious about where they go with quarterback. There's

574
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: also just there's a different elephant in this room as well,

575
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: and that's when you look at the schools that Miami

576
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: is competing with for recruits, especially in state Florida and

577
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: Florida State. When you look at some of the other

578
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: schools we mentioned here, USC, Tennessee, Nebraska, Texas, there is

579
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: something that binds those schools aside from having their own stadium,

580
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: which Miami doesn't, and it's that those schools have money.

581
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: Miami's a small, small private school that happened to have

582
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: an amazing run of about fifteen years playing football. And

583
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: from every indication in talking about how Miami football is built,

584
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: not a ton of cash. There are no there's no

585
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: grouping of huge donors, and so there's this idea, you know,

586
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: and again we like to joke about it. But there's

587
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: this idea of swag and bringing the swagger back and

588
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: going back to a different time, like you might need

589
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: to reconstruct the Big East because that's where Miami did

590
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: the bulk of their damage. Sure, and there were some

591
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: pretty good teams. We're talking about a Big East with

592
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and Boston College.

593
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Like it was.

594
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: It was fine, there were some talented teams. It's a

595
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: completely different landscape right now. And if you're always turning

596
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: and looking over your shoulder and looking back at a

597
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: different time, it's hard to say. You know, in many

598
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: Diaz Miami guy, right his dad's the mayor. I mean,

599
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: I think he went to Florida State. But there is

600
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: this element of always, you know, getting quotes from Ed Reid,

601
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: who's freaking amazing, and all these former players saying, we

602
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: have to bring this swagger back and we need Why

603
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: don't we Why isn't the you the you? And all

604
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: these things. I think he got to start over. I

605
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: think you have to get beyond that. I think having

606
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: that element to it. First of all, it's a lot

607
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: of pressure on kids who play, and that's fine. There

608
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: should be pressure on kids who sign up to play

609
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: for Miami because a lot of our are blue chip

610
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: kids with NFL aspirations. But at the same time, it's

611
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: something that you don't have at a lot of places

612
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: that aren't winning. This pressure to all of a sudden

613
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: become a national contender. When would you say one and

614
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: eleven in bowl games when they bubble up every so

615
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: often to be interesting, they do, you know, they play

616
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: defense well, or they've got a great running back or whatever,

617
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: but they have all this pressure when it's skipping steps

618
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: and so without the financial infrastructure, without the ability to

619
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: consistently develop a quarterback or to fill out a roster

620
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: in a meaningfully successful way, the expectations probably internally hurt things.

621
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: The ability to hire a head coach that's going to

622
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: last has I mean, like Mark Rick had a ton

623
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: of promise, he was a proven winner at major college football.

624
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 2: He just hit his wall as a head coach.

625
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: And so it's that.

626
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: Ability that has really really hurt Miami. And I think

627
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: they can win. But the way that especially Clemson now,

628
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: because that's that's going to be the watermark in the conference,

629
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: the way that they operate as a program, investing in

630
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: facilities and retaining assistant coaches and recruiting nationally and doing

631
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: things that absolute height of college football superpower teams do.

632
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: If Miami can't even approach that, if they're not getting

633
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: at least a chunk of that, they don't stand a

634
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: chance to come back, to get back to the whatever,

635
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: swagger you whatever. They need to sort of again, reboot everything,

636
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: figure out what that new identity is, and beg their

637
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: alumni for cash.

638
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the other thing too, I would call

639
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: out in.

640
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: A stadium they need like they need like the trappings

641
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: of a successful college football and a decision, just like

642
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: USC needs to decide is this something we're all in on?

643
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: Are we going to be partially in? Then we have

644
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: to be happy with pinstripe Bulls And that's okay. That's

645
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: okay too. You have to decide it.

646
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Speaker 1: The other thing i'd call out, I've heard it a

647
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: lot that just because Miami is in Florida, recruiting should

648
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: be better, Florida being a hotbed for recruits. But to

649
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: the earlier point, there's just more competition. There's more competition

650
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: now than there was back then. You didn't have all

651
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: these programs. Recruiting is nationally as they are now, there's

652
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: more money in it, there's more visibility into recruits. You're

653
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: not finding so many diamonds in the rough anymore. You're

654
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: finding a five star that no one knows about. You know.

655
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: It's just a much different landscape. A lot of that

656
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: is driven by money and investment at the administrative level

657
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: across many of these top programs in college football. But

658
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: it is very different. And so the assumption that just

659
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: because you're in Florida means you recruiting should be good

660
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: is a bad one. There's more competition and it's harder

661
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: to get a lot of these kids than it was

662
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: back then. So it's it's a complicated problem for Miami,

663
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: which I think is why I'm most interested in it.

664
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Speaker 1: It is striking, though, if you go back and just

665
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: look at really when the switch, when the spigot shut off,

666
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: And it was right around that time when Larry Coker

667
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: took over for Butch Davis. They kept going, had a

668
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: lot of success early, it fell apart for Cocher and

669
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: then it was just really an exercise and frustration the

670
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: rest of the way through to the present.

671
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what their best modern quarterback, I guess

672
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: before Dear King is from where I'm from. It's from

673
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: southern California, went to school a few minutes away from

674
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: my parents. Like again, it's it's populating that program with

675
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: the right players for a specific vision. And if you're

676
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: what if you're Jerry Judy, I believe it's also from

677
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: down there. If you're obviously Amari Cooper, why would you

678
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: go to Miami when the infrastructure at a place like Alabama,

679
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: when the dedication to the cause at a place like

680
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: Alabama is so much higher. Who's throwing you a ball

681
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: at Miami during that recruitment. Who's the quarterback of the future.

682
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: What does your line look like? What does your offensive

683
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: coordinator look like? They've just whiffed at too many places

684
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: for me, if I'm a top player, especially a skill

685
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: position player and maybe running back, fine, But what is

686
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Miami showing recruits right now to say, yep, we're definitely

687
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: building something.

688
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Yep. The foundation is there.

689
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: It's tough, I get it, and so they're going to

690
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: struggle until they established that. Here's the other thing too,

691
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: that I think is true for USC and Miami alike.

692
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: Those are two very specific cities. I know the University

693
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: of Miami is just outside of downtown. It's not actually

694
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: in a city in that same way it's Coral Gables, whatever.

695
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: But you want you have to want to go to

696
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: college in Miami. You have to want to go to

697
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: college in downtown Los Angeles, whereas the schools they're competing

698
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: against are in college towns. It's a different experience. It

699
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: could be overwhelming for people. I don't think I could

700
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: have done well going to either USC or the University

701
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: of Miami, just as a human seventeen year old. And

702
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: so there is that element of if Miami's recruiting against Florida, Clemson, Alabama, Ole,

703
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: Miss whoever, there is that element of going to high

704
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: school seeing all your friends go to various college towns

705
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, I'm going to go to college in Miami.

706
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: That works for some people, but I don't think that's

707
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: an overwhelming element for people that want a college experience,

708
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: to go to a school in a city, go to Columbus.

709
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: Columbus is a big city, but there's a college town element. Obviously,

710
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Austin's a big city. There's a college town element. You

711
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: see Carl Gables pop up on a lot of best

712
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: college town lists. I have not, so I think there's

713
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: an element to that as well, that you want to

714
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 2: be the toast of campus. You want to be playing

715
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: major college football in this major college football town. You

716
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: want to be developed into an NFL player, which Miami

717
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: does do. But there's just there's a difference to it

718
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: that I don't think I can fully wrap my head around.

719
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Speaker 2: Good conversation, Dan, do you think Miami can get back?

720
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Speaker 2: Do you think Miami not get back to being the

721
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: U or the Swag or whatever? But do you believe

722
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: in I guess perhaps many, Daz, but just overall that

723
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Miami can win the ACC in the next eight years.

724
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Speaker 1: Eight years, Oh my god? Yeah? Eight years, Oh my god. Yeah.

725
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Eight years is a long time, Dan. How many times

726
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: has Miami won the ACC in almost twenty years? Yeah?

727
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: But no, I mean to the point, a lot can

728
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: happen in eight years. You find the right guy, you

729
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: build some momentum for sure. Who knows how much longer

730
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: Clemson will continue at its current pace. We've mused here

731
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: and there about what it would take for that dynasty

732
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: to end. At some point. I hope for their sake

733
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't.

734
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: But I should also mention the Nevern Shapiro, the Nevin

735
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: Shapiro shadow like two thousand and oh yeah, twelve.

736
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That doesn't help. All right, well, right in,

737
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to get feedback, solid verbol yeah at gmail

738
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: dot com. Let us know your thoughts on the matter.

739
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: We're also on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all the usual hotspots. Dan,

740
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: how should we close out this episode? Okay?

741
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: Game Stop is currently at three hundred and two dollars

742
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: and twenty cents a share. That's down from.

743
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Where it was earlier. It was up to three eighty.

744
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: It was up to three eighty. I think it closed

745
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: at one seven. Yes, I'm not smart enough yesterday. I'm

746
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: not smart enough to understand exactly why all of this

747
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: happened beyond a bunch of people on a Reddit board

748
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: decided to stick it to take advantage. Yeah, stick a demand,

749
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: take advantage of what they believe to be a falsely

750
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: undervalued stock. Sure, and that they were they were to

751
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: inflate it and you know, take it to some sort

752
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: of hedge fund grouping whatever. I want to look at

753
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: college football because this is my best impression of Daily

754
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Let us know which comically undervalued program you're

755
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: buying it on.

756
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: Really, we get this question from time to time we do.

757
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: So what I want to specifically know is I want

758
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you this question ahead of time. You

759
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: can answer, however brief or long win did you like?

760
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: But if you are saying this program because of a coach,

761
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: because of some sort of bad situation, is down right now.

762
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason you can give the reason, you

763
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: can just say you're going with your gut, for whatever

764
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: reason you're like, I'm actually I'm I'm thinking I'm going

765
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: to put a few shekels behind this program to rise,

766
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: perhaps comically so like like GameStop has right. So that's

767
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: my best sports media sports radio question for you of

768
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: the day. I actually agree with your heart in TCU

769
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: for something like this.

770
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: My heart I never said TCU for.

771
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: This, No, no, But you always are a believer in

772
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: buying low on TCU.

773
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: Always was past ten. Oh are youth?

774
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: Now you're claiming once again you're over it.

775
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm over it. They're dead to me. If I'm so, Look,

776
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: if I'm picking a penny stock here something, just throw

777
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: a few shekels on. I think they'll rise. But I

778
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think this could be a whole show. By

779
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: the way, but yeah, I know maybe this I'm teasing

780
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: out another show. Yeah, one program that I would put

781
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: like a few bucks on to rise a little bit,

782
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: not to maybe top ten levels, but to perhaps be interesting.

783
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: I am really intrigued by the Brett Beielmhier at Illinois.

784
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: I am so intrigued by that higher he knows the

785
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: lay of the land. I think he has an opportunity

786
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: to run that mean though not as much as it

787
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: used to. Ok He's familiar with that side of the

788
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: Big Ten. He knows what it takes to win on

789
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: that side. Stott Frost is too, also true. Work with

790
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: me here, Okay, sorry, sorry. I think he has the

791
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to come in and install a very specific system

792
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: and recruit a very specific kind of player that, with

793
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: the Big ten West still feeling fairly wide open, that

794
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: could provide a bit of an opening for Illinois. Now

795
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: I understand that's a stretch, but we're talking about penny

796
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: stocks here, teams to invest early in while the value

797
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: is low before potentially they go higher. I'm intrigued by

798
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: a school like an old miss I think Lane Kiffin is.

799
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: I think their stock has risen. Though their stock has risen, Yeah,

800
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: stock has Risen. Excuse me, I just knocked my knee

801
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: on my desk. I think that there is room to

802
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: grow for ole Miss as well as Lane gets in

803
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: there and continues to recruit at a high level. So

804
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: I am intrigued by ole Miss. Is the LSU stocked

805
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: down right now? Oh? Yeah?

806
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: They just hired a defensive coordinator, a dB coach from

807
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings.

808
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: You know, because I mean the easiest answer is schools.

809
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: I had a down years, So LSU Texas just hired

810
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: a new guy. They could be an interesting discussion point

811
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: as well. We talked about the likes of a Miami

812
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: on this episode. Yeah, I don't think I'd want to

813
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: put money into Miami at this point, but they are

814
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: fairly low at this point, and there is some consternation

815
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: around what version of Derek King are they going to

816
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: get in the fall. If they get a good version

817
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: of Derek King, that could be an intriguing investment. Who

818
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: else anyone could jump out to you?

819
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm looking at areas that are going to

820
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: be the recipient of kids transferring closer to home, and

821
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: so I'm looking at bigger schools in bigger hotspots for

822
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: recruiting so southern California, probably central Texas DFW area. I'm

823
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: looking at Florida, Georgia schools. Ohio I think is an

824
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: interesting one. A lot of talent coming from the Midwest,

825
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: from Ohio specifically. I think Ucla is an interesting by

826
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: still super low on because they scored two hundred and

827
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: forty eight points allowed two fifteen, but they went three

828
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: to four. They're getting transfers, They're getting more intriguing at quarterback.

829
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: I think that's something. I think there's something there. They

830
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: took Oregon to the wire, and I mean it was

831
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: with a backup quarterback and lost at the last second.

832
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: There is something to UCLA right now with you know,

833
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: Colorado still starting out with Carl Durrell, Utah all over

834
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: the place in the transfer market, we'll see. I mean

835
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: Utah is pretty consistent, ASU intriguing but also a wild card,

836
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: and Arizona is super down. So there are no killers

837
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: right now to me in the Pac twelve. And Ucla

838
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: scored a ton of points against USC at least these

839
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: past couple of years, I think now, So I'm buying

840
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: low right now on Ucla, who have not won games

841
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: all that often. With Chip Kelly I'm buying low on

842
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: TCU for the same reason. I think that they can

843
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: do pretty well in the transfer market. I don't even

844
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: know if it's Gary Patterson. I think it's just the

845
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: ability in a changing Big twelve where Oklahoma's good, but

846
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: they're also good for losing one or two a year,

847
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: and so TCU with that ability, with being in the

848
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: market that they are, I think that their floor can

849
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: actually get higher as kids more and more. I mean,

850
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: how many times have we seen a recognizable name enter

851
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: the portal this year? I think that kind of thing

852
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: is only increasing, So I think TCU can be a

853
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: big beneficiary there in the Big ten. I don't know

854
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: if I see incredible value. The problem with me for

855
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: Illinois is where are the carcasses? Maybe Nebraska, but like

856
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: where where is Illinois rising? Northwestern's playing well, Iowa was

857
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Speaker 2: playing well. I think we expect Wisconsin to bounce back

858
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Speaker 2: and maybe Minnesota. Like there aren't a ton of super

859
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Speaker 2: down teams in that division, So that's what I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for as well, so uncertainty around them that they can

861
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Speaker 2: they can pick up easy value, easy wins. As I

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Speaker 2: look across different conferences in the.

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Speaker 1: Sec LSU is the obvious answer.

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Speaker 2: I think there's stock price is too high though we're

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Speaker 2: still in the shadow of a national championship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I asked you are they lower, and you said, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, they're lower, But I don't think they're You mentioned

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Speaker 2: like penny stocks, I think Arkansas's stock price is up.

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Speaker 2: I think all miss is a pretty good get right there.

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Speaker 2: Mississippi State, maybe they made a lot of changes at

871
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Speaker 2: quarterback in the quarterback room, and you're talking about a

872
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Speaker 2: full off season in the air raid. I think Mississippi

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Speaker 2: State is.

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Speaker 1: In about What about Florida State?

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Speaker 2: Floria also interesting for the same UCLA reason that I

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Speaker 2: think a ton of kids transfer wise, I think Florida

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Speaker 2: State has the ability and this depends on Mike Norvell's

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Speaker 2: personality and ability to sell, but they could get a

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Speaker 2: lot of kids, and they've they've been pretty successful in

880
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Speaker 2: the transfer market early on. I think what Mackenzie Milton

881
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Speaker 2: entering the fray, I think Florida SA could be a

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Speaker 2: big winner because there's still I think an element of

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Speaker 2: like it's a positive brand. They've been down, they've been

884
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Speaker 2: a nightmare, but there is They won a national championship

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Speaker 2: in the last six seven years. So it's these kids

886
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Speaker 2: that are on the recruit are being recruited or are transferring.

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Speaker 2: They are familiar with a winning Florida State on a

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Speaker 2: huge level. So I think that's Florida State's a really

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Speaker 2: nice investment right now.

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Speaker 1: Indiana is intriguing to me. I think they're at their

891
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Speaker 1: peak right now. I'm curious to see if they can

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Speaker 1: build any momentum off this because they still get another

893
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Speaker 1: sixth and one still get another year. Michael Pennix and

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Speaker 1: I still think they're going to be an interesting program

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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten East over the next year. I

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Speaker 1: don't see the landscape outside of Ohio State changing too dramatically.

897
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Speaker 1: Like penn State of course made a move at offensive coordinator,

898
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Speaker 1: but quarterback position is still sort of a mess. Don't

899
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Speaker 1: know what Seawan Clifford's going to do. Michigan. We don't

900
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Speaker 1: know which way they're headed. Michigan State. I would assume

901
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Speaker 1: they're going to improve, but like outside of Rutgers, who's

902
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better, Maryland, I think they'll improve

903
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Speaker 1: as well. I just don't see any other risers on

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Speaker 1: that side of the conference. So it stands to reason

905
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Speaker 1: for me anyway that Indiana's got some talent coming back,

906
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Speaker 1: and they could again make some noise. You put two

907
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Speaker 1: of those together, Dan, you've got a pretty strong case

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Speaker 1: for momentum that you can build on.

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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I just also think that at six

910
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Speaker 2: and one in the Big Ten might be as good

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00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: as the lever be able to finish in the conference.

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Speaker 1: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: What about Virginia? So Virginia scores more than they allow

914
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Speaker 2: this year, but they go four and five, they go

915
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Speaker 2: zero to five on the road. They have a coach

916
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Speaker 2: who has been proven at least to have a pretty

917
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Speaker 2: high floor in Bronco menden Hall. Their losses this year,

918
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Speaker 2: I mean they lose by Miami to I think it

919
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: was five or six points. They lose to NC State.

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Speaker 2: They're dealing with quarterback injuries, a first year quarterback. They

921
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Speaker 2: have two games postponed. I think there is an element

922
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Speaker 2: of Virginia basically a little over a year outside of

923
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: their appearance in the ACC Championship game. I think they

924
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Speaker 2: might be being slept on a bit. I think in

925
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: a conference with a sort of messy middle class. What

926
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Speaker 2: does Pitt look like on offense? Virginia tech week to week?

927
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Speaker 2: Who knows Wake is competent but doesn't have a high

928
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: level high ceiling. Boston College is improving but has a

929
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: ways to go. NC State trending in the right way,

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Speaker 2: but outside of those, assuming Notre Dame is no longer

931
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Speaker 2: a full time acc program after Clemson in North Carolina,

932
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Speaker 2: I suppose who is who? Are you confident in their competence,

933
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Speaker 2: perhaps more than Virginia.

934
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Speaker 1: No, we like broader week to week competence on the show.

935
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Speaker 2: I think they're interesting, all right, five and five, but

936
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Speaker 2: did score more points than they allowed, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think I mean, I guess you could say the same

938
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Speaker 2: thing about Louisville two. Louisville just a very strange season.

939
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Speaker 2: They don't win a game away from home, but they

940
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Speaker 2: score much more than they allow and are probably at

941
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Speaker 2: their best, considerably better than a four and seventeen game.

942
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Speaker 1: Stop by the way, now at three nineteen.

943
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Speaker 2: In the last like six minutes, it's gone up seventeen dollars.

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Speaker 1: A share three nineteen. Yeah, wow, got it quite a

945
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Speaker 1: whipsaw right now in the financial sector. Okay, all right, well,

946
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Speaker 1: look fun show. Appreciate the dialogue, Appreciate everyone's commentary out

947
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Speaker 1: there on social media. Cluing us into your thoughts on

948
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Speaker 1: why some of these programs have been stuck in the mud.

949
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Speaker 1: Right in, let us know your thoughts, let us know

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Speaker 1: your investments. Maybe not quite to the GameStop level, but

951
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Speaker 1: your investments long term investments in college football. Sliverb at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Don't forget to check out Verballers dot

953
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: com for more info on what we're doing this offseason

954
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Speaker 1: on Patreon and follow along on the fun. One more thing,

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Speaker 1: if I could please, we have a Winter Wonders Winter Daniel,

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Speaker 1: you'll recall in the special Verbaaler Patreon world, we ran

957
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Speaker 1: a contest called the Winter Wonders. Now, the Winter Wonders

958
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Speaker 1: was a combination of many different pools. Right, It was

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Speaker 1: a pick and pool in the sense that you know,

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Speaker 1: we gave you the opportunity to pick winners ages the sprint,

961
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Speaker 1: but winners. We also layered on some player and game props.

962
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Speaker 1: How many yards will so and so throw for? How

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Speaker 1: many total yards will justin fields have passing and throwing?

964
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Speaker 1: No passing and running in the National Championship.

965
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Speaker 2: Will Ohio State outscore Lebron's points and assists?

966
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct. And then we also layered on some

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Speaker 1: of our special solid verbal specials right right? How many

968
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Speaker 1: times are the announcers going to reference a specific thing?

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00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: How many times will we see a picture of Sam

970
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: Ellinger dressed as a boy in his Texas long horns gear.

971
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Speaker 1: Uh huh that sort of thing. So it was a comprehensive,

972
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Speaker 1: very involved contest and to the winner of this, we're

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Speaker 1: going to give a limited edition one of one Winter

974
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Speaker 1: Wonders Champion thing that you've put together. There, Yes, Zach Brooks,

975
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Speaker 1: who's been listening to the show forever, Nice Zach Zachy

976
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Speaker 1: b Zach has won the Winter Wonders first ever Winter

977
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Speaker 1: Wonders Pool with forty points. He was three points clear

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Speaker 1: of Heather, Alex Andrew, Jeremy, ben Cole Brandon and Seamus.

979
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Speaker 2: I'm picturing a Mario Kart style celebration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on some sort of I was actually seven points back.

981
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Speaker 1: Oh look at you. So I did pretty well, but

982
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Speaker 1: to the victor goes to spoil. So, Zach, if you're listening,

983
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Speaker 1: I'll reach out to you via Patreon. Reach out to us.

984
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Speaker 1: Let us know whether you'd want a what sweater, T shirt,

985
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Speaker 1: long sleeves. What are our options here, dan T.

986
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Speaker 2: Shirt, crew neck, sweater or fun type of ugly Smiths

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Speaker 2: holiday type sweater. It'll be a shade of blue like

988
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: the Winter Wonders page itself. So you tell us, Zach

989
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: you want a T shirt, a crew Next sweatshirt or

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Speaker 2: a sweater.

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00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: We got you, We got you. Congratulations man, appreciate it, Zach.

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Speaker 1: You be all right. Dan, That's all I got. That's

993
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Speaker 1: all I have for that guy over there, my good

994
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildebrand. We will talk

995
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: to you all next Tuesday in the meet time. Stay safe,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend, and stay solid. Peace.