WEBVTT - Selects: Can movies be cursed? 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.200 Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday. Chuck here with your Saturday selects. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.280 And this week I think it inspired me because recently 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.680 we did an episode on the movie Roar, the most 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.120 dangerous movie ever made, supposedly, And so let's go back 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.960 to November of twenty seventeen, the sixteenth to be exact, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.959 to talk about movies being cursed in this episode that 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.560 runs at fifty six minutes long. Can movies be cursed? 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:31.440 Please enjoy it right now. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:38.880 a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.080 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.720 I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.320 My tongue is super big today for some reason. Cross 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.280 and this is stuff you should know. I know, it's 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.280 like it sound like Peter Overbee, for God's sake, who's 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.080 that You know that guy's voice anywhere? 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.560 He's like an MPR reporter. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.280 Oh yeah, and like he he has me even beat 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.319 for the large tongues candy sucking sound. Do you remember 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.360 when we first came out and people would write it 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.800 in and be like, t Josh, stop sucking on candy 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.440 while these podcasting, And I'd just be like, that's my 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:15.240 normal voice. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.840 Man, thanks a lot, Yeah, appreciate that. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.720 But now now that we're high rollers, they provided me 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.679 with a private nurse to suction out the saliva every 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.959 thirty seconds. My god, and then Jerry has to edit 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:34.000 it out. So gross, gross but true, right, like a 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:35.320 cursed movie story. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:35.840 True? 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.000 Yeah. Do you know what? I hated the dentists besides everything? 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.160 Man, that was a pretty good segue. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.600 I know that I just totally mowed over. I hated 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.120 the dentists. Now, you know, you don't have to spit 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.480 anymore because they do have those suction things, But it's 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.560 still like I still do the fake swallow, you know 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.000 how it feels like it builds up in the back 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.680 of your now so like they'll be in your mouth 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.560 and you'll just go like that. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.240 I hate that. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:03.520 It's funny. Do you do that? 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.440 Does everyone do that? 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:05.720 A gag reflex thing? 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.800 Well, it's not even a gag reflex, it's just the. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.400 Hard swallow that it's almost swallow. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.560 Yeah, the sort of swallow reflex. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:13.920 If that's such a thing, do you feel like you're 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.280 gonna break your vocal cords or your throat muscles? 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:17.040 Got I hate that. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.119 I know what you mean. I don't hate it, though. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.480 I think it's kind of yeah, not enjoyable, But I 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.679 don't know, and I don't know. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.800 When they talk to you and expect me. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.839 To talk about they can talk, but yeah, they can't 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.440 be any questions involved. Maybe rhetorical questions that you can 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:35.160 shrug at. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:36.200 That's it. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.679 My last hygienist I really didn't care for, Like that 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.680 was a personality thing. And they have TVs at my 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.160 dentists that they'll put down in front of you, and 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.560 which is fine, I don't really care. But she would 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.240 stop and like look and make comments about the news 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:52.840 and stuff. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.240 Oh yeah, yeah, why don't they just why don't they 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:57.480 just let him do his job? 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.680 I didn't like it. It was real annoying. And then 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.080 I came back in not too long ago and there 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.320 was a new hygienis for me and she was awesome, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.280 and on the way out, I was like, by the way, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.440 I was like, I won't say your name. I was like, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.680 but this new hygienis I really like a lot. And 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.560 she was like, what about before? I was like, I 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.200 wasn't crazy about her, and she went, no one was, 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.400 and you guys need to tell us that. And we 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.000 let her go because we got all these complaints huh 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.919 started flooding in. I was like, well, I feel bad, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.480 like I don't want to get anyone fired. Sure, but 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.880 I didn't that was she wasn't good. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.160 Huh. So anyway, was this in brook Haven? 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:40.560 Uh? Yeah? Is it Brookhaven? How do you know where 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:41.160 my dentist is? 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.320 Why? I just hadn't experience in brook Haven And I'm like, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.560 this town is just small enough for that to be possible. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.440 Well, I'll go ahead and shout out my dentist, the 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.200 great doctor Darryl Kimchi. She's wonderful kimchi. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.760 Uh huh, that's one of my favorite foods. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.520 Well, but is that your dentist? 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.240 Uh? 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.760 Okay, but it's possible that we're talking about like a 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.280 hygienus that gets fired pretty full. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.240 Maybe you know she's just making the rounds and buck 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.440 ed Brookhaven, right, yeah, doctor Darryl Kimchi of Atlanta Cosmetic 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:14.240 Sports Dentistry. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.440 Wow, that is quite a shout out. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.640 I think doctor kim Chi owes us some free kimchi 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.680 maybe as a thank you. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.120 She's sort of a celebrity that she does a lot 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:29.120 of the sports people in Atlanta and the Real Housewives maybe, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.479 but I went in and they have memorabilia up everywhere, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.039 and when the TV shows out of giving them a 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.840 poster and they never put it up. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:40.760 Oh no way, that's hilarious. Yeah, wow, that's great. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.880 That reminds me of the Friends when Joey tried to 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.040 get his head shot up at the I think it's 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.800 like the dry cleaner or something. Right and do it? 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.719 Man, that is so stuff you should know. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.159 All right, Well, this has got a nice loose start. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.760 Indeed, chuck, but this is a this is this is 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.680 a fun one. But let's begin, shall we. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.440 Well, yeah, this was written by the grabster of the 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.520 article is ten movies that were supposed cursed, and Ed 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.479 goes to great links to point out health there's no 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.120 way that anything can ever be really cursed, right. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.760 I think probably his couple of lines where he's like 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.240 just so stupid kind of it was edited out. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.400 You know, I got the only guy to sign this 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.200 was like, oh god kidding me. I want to write 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.080 about real stuff like satanic panic. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.680 But he does love writing about movies. He's definitely a 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.640 movie guy. Yeah, especially horror movies. And it seems like 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:30.120 more than any other movie, horror movies. They're the variety 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.440 that tend to be associated with curses more than other types, right. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.280 Or at least the marketing department cooks that up. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.400 So, yeah, that's definitely par for the course these days. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.440 But there was a more innocent, gentler time when when 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.359 rumors of Satan influencing the production of a movie was 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.680 a legitimate rumor. You know, it wasn't a pr stunt, right, So, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.000 like you said, it goes to some trouble to point 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.239 out what's actually behind the idea of a movie curse. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.839 That some things are bound to happen on just about 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.279 any movie track, especially when you stop and consider, especially 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.360 in the early days, the kind of stuff they were 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.760 doing with the technology they were working with at the time. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.320 Of course, bad things happened on movies since of course 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.800 people died. Yeah, Like for example, I look this up, right, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.000 there was a nineteen twenty eight movie called Noah's Arc 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.919 and they used six hundred thousand gallons of water to 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.160 create the flood scene one take. They did, one take 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.880 and three extras drowned. One guy who did survive had 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.120 to have a leg amputated. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.919 It was broken so badly. Because this is the flood. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.839 Scene and you needed to basically get it as real 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:44.680 as possible. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:46.400 Isn't that crazy? 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.320 That is? Yeah, especially back in those days. But they 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.159 didn't care back then, right, they. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.640 Were just like, Oh, they're just extras. Who cares? Although 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.960 John Wayne turns out was an extra in that movie, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.640 but he's really obviously. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.440 Yeah, and any actors into another curse he does. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.159 He also worked in the special effects department on that movie. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.080 Or prop prop sorry, prop. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.440 Like special effects was what he did early CGI. Right. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.680 He would he would clap the coconuts together. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:15.840 For all the horse scenes. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.320 Right, But oh, I have another one. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.880 Okay, so this is another movie years later they died 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.920 with their boots on. I think it's about the charge 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.680 of the light Brigade maybe, Okay. It was a nineteen 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.120 forty one movie starring Erow Flynn and during this cavalry 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:37.119 charge that they recreated, three extras in that movie died 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.040 just in that one shot. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:40.040 That one scene. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.320 One of the guys was thrown from his horse and 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.320 he threw his sword like away from him. Unfortunately threw 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.200 it ahead of himself and the sword stuck into the ground, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.720 handle first, and he was impaled on the sword. Wow, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.720 this is this happened on a movie set. And it's 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.400 not just like back in the day either. In nineteen 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.040 eighty three, the Twilight Zone movie, very famously, there was 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.120 a disaster. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.760 Right, Yeah, it was very sad. That's when Vic Morrow, 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:15.840 two children were chopped up by helicopter blade, very infamously. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.800 It was terrible, terrible tragedy. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.240 Yeah, Shin Yi Chan and Micah Din Lee were the 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.000 two child actors who were killed. So things do happen 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.520 on movie sets. And again, when you stop and think 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.360 about what they're doing, it's often very dangerous. So what 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.280 Ed is saying is when you start to put these 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.720 things together and then you get rid of all of 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.440 the things that don't support your point, you got to 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:41.679 curse on your hands. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.680 Should we start with Poltergeist? Yes, Poltergeist. That's one where 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:51.880 people always list this is a cursed movie because quite 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.440 a few of the actors died sort of unexpectedly after 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:01.520 the movie. And then Ed goes on to say, very astutely, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.160 but it's also a textbook example of why the idea 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.760 of curses is silly. If I mentioned that curses are silly, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:14.040 so over and over, so three of those first three 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.000 Poulter guys eighty two, eighty six, and eighty eight. I 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.120 didn't see the remake, did you. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.400 I didn't even know there was one. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.360 Yeah, of course there was. They remade it a few 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:22.800 years ago. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.000 No, I didn't. I didn't see it. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.600 No, I don't think it was very popular. But Dominic 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:35.760 dunnique Dominique, excuse me? Her father was Dominic done correct. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.959 Yeah, and her brother was Griffin Dunny is Gryffin done? 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:45.079 Yeah, she was well, she was murdered. She was murdered 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.440 by her boyfriend John Sweeney. Yeah, and that was a 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.120 very disturbing case. Have you ever poked around that case? Yes, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.960 Like these signs were all there. It was one of 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.200 those things that could have been prevented. And he got 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.040 away with it for the most part. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.640 He did like three years in prison. And Dominic dunn 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.240 her father, he was there every day for the trial 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.720 of the man and was just just crushed by the 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.400 injustice of the sentence that the guy received. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.120 Well, changed his life. He became a crusader, it did. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:19.960 Yeah. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.360 You can read some of the best coverage of high 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.760 profile murder cases in the pages of Vanity Fair that 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.400 he covered for years and years and years as a 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:36.120 direct result of him basically covering his own daughter's murderers trial. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.760 Yeah, oj, very famously he covered that guy. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:43.720 Yes he did, and he apparently the Duns spent a 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.160 great deal of time basically keeping tabs on John Sweeney 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:49.240 for years, and. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.880 He was a chef for a while, he was, And 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.760 I even started tracking him down this. I just went 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.120 down the rabbit hole like six or eight months ago 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.080 on this for some reason. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:10:59.560 Really. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.360 Yeah. This is one of those you know things where 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.439 you see something on Facebook and then all of a 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.400 sudden you go, oh yeah, and then you go down 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.520 the rabbit hole. And I was, I was trying to 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.200 find this guy. I was like, where's this guy? Where 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.400 is he? And the last I saw he was some 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.760 chef somewhere. I think he had changed his name even 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:16.559 of course. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.400 He had to John Mora. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.240 I mean you are a Yeah, well keep changing that name, buddy, 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.200 because it's going to follow you around. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:23.000 Yeah. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:24.920 And I mean, like there was no question whether he 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.600 did it or not. He admitted to it. Like he 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.160 told this guy who who had been in the house 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:35.160 at the time in Dominique Dunn's house rehearsing lines to 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.959 call the police, that he just killed his girlfriend. Yeah, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.400 but yeah, he was hounded for many years, and I 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.160 guess toward the end of his life, Dominic Dunn said, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.640 you know what that can ote my life, like keeping 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.440 tabs on this guy anymore, and just just dropped it. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.040 But yeah, there's a lot of people out there who 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.040 don't like that, dude. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:58.360 Yeah, I would imagine so so, so she died by 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.640 murder then the the Young Girl, And. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.040 This was like a couple months after poultry geyst came out, right, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.520 so it was very close to the production. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.280 Yeah. Yeah, she was not in the sequels obviously. Heather 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:14.000 O'Rourke was the Little Girl and poulter Geist, and she 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:19.280 passed away after in nineteen eighty eight, after Poultrygeist two 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.360 was wrapped, and she initially was diagnosed with a flu. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.959 We talked about this in our flu episode a little bite, 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.760 but what she really had was an intestinal blockage and 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.360 at the tender age of twelve, she had a heart 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.800 attack and sepsis and passed away. Super tragic. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:42.040 Yeah, and so those two dying so close to the 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.280 production of the actual movie she died. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:45.800 It was poultry Guysed three. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.800 I believe that Heather O'Rourke died after filming, they were 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.280 basically done. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:52.400 Did ed get it wrong? 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:53.280 I got it wrong? 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:53.959 Oh man? 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.960 And then Dominique Akin died just a couple of months 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.600 after the first Poultry Guys came out. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:00.480 So that's like. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:06.360 One big hallmark of a movie being cursed story is 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.000 the deaths that happen typically need to happen either during 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.760 production or right around production. Right, Okay, so those two 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.360 are the big ones. But then people say, oh, oh, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.439 still not convinced. Well, listen to this. In Polsier Guys too, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.120 there was an actor named will Sampson who played Taylor, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.679 the medicine man who helps the family. Yeah, and he 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.440 is better known for playing the chief in One Flew 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.040 Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Yes, one of the great characters 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:41.240 of all time. He died, I guess after filming a 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.960 few years after filming the year after filming in nineteen 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.160 eighty seven. He died following a heart and lung transplant. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.200 Yeah, and he had a history of health issues. He 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.120 was a giant man. Yeah, and so that was, you know, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.240 again tied to the curse. But what can you say 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.079 about someone who just died sort of natural issu. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.640 Causes after a heart and long transplant. I think there's 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:10.040 pretty good odds. Yeah, and then there's Julian Beck who 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.440 played the scary, scary, scary preacher. Yes Caine also in 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.360 Poultry Guys Too. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:17.440 Man, he was creepy. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.800 He died I guess before Poultry Guys Too actually came out, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.840 so that would have been close to the production as well, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.720 So it checks those boxes. But he died of stomach 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.240 cancer and he apparently had a long standing issue with 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:37.960 battling it as well, So you can make the case 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.600 it doesn't really count. But are you really trying to 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.880 make a case about curses. Yeah, let's just talk about 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.240 him instead about that, agreed? 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.240 Okay, what's next? The Wizard of Oz is next. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.840 That's right. Nineteen thirty nine. Great great movie, but a 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:59.960 great movie that was marred by for such a happy movie, 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.880 it had some rough stuff going on because it was 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.480 in the early days of making movies, and like you 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.640 said earlier, back then it was they didn't know or 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.760 care as much about safety. Like for instance, the tin 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.000 Man Buddy Ebsen. They said, all right, we need to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.360 make you look silver, and so we'll just coat you 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.440 with aluminium powder. And that stuff was really dangerous. He 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.360 went to the hospital that irritated his lungs and he 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.840 could not even continue in the role. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.960 No. Luckily he survived to go on to play Jed 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.560 the Dad in Beverly Hillbillies, thank god, but he was 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.160 out of the Wizard of Oz. He was so Buddy 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.200 Ebsen was replaced by Jack Hayley, and they said, well, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.960 we probably shouldn't use that same aluminum powder, so they 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.960 used an aluminum paste which didn't get into his lungs, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.240 but to give him a really bad eye infection. Man, right, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.920 So thein just the Tin Man role itself had a 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.680 bunch of problems, but that was just one of many. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.720 Margaret Hamilton, the Wicked Witch of the West, she was 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.840 burnt pretty badly with some of the pyrotechnics from the movie, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.680 and I think she was only she was hospitalized, but 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.720 she came back and you know, completed work on the movie. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.880 Yeah, but she said she wasn't going to do any 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.200 more firework. Apparently the trap door that she was standing on, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.400 the timing of it wasn't wasn't right. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.600 Yeah, So it didn't open up. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.440 And drop her right before the fireworks went off, but 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360 did it simultaneous to the fireworks going off, which is 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.000 not what you want, but it was nineteen thirty nine, right, 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.680 so they were like, whatever, what are you going to do? 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 There's the very famous urban legend, which is not true, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.240 but it bears mentioning that one of the munchkins hanged 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.600 himself in the background of a scene. Yeah, if you 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.840 just google image that junk hanged Munchkin Wizard of Oz, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.120 it will have a screen cap with a little circle around. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.240 I mean, he doesn't even look It just looks like 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.160 something that is not a tree, in other words, not 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.840 attached to the ground. It doesn't necessarily look like a 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.520 hanging muchkin. But apparently there was a bird. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.800 Yeah, it doesn't look like a bird to me either, though, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.760 like supposedly it's a silhouette of a bird. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.120 And if you watch the like a close up of the. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.240 Video of it, it does sway back and forth above 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.560 the ground. So, I mean you can see where people came. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.440 Up with that for sure. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.679 Yeah, but that is not the case. There was no 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.400 munchkin that just couldn't take it anymore. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.640 There's actually there's a really great horror fiction story by 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.800 I think a guy named Steve Naggy called the Hanged 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.520 Man of Oz looking up and reading. It's pretty good, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.360 but it's about this dude kind of becoming obsessed with 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.400 that rumor and seeing it on video and not being 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.760 able to unsee it, and all the stuff that happens after. Wow, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.439 I think it's Steve Naggy. It's definitely called the Hanged 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:49.159 Man of Oz. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.439 Right, we'll check that out. Other tragedies and Wizard of 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:59.560 Oz anti em miss Clara Blandick. She killed herself. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.040 At age eighty one. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.480 Yeah, and she left in her suicide note that she 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.400 was going on her greatest adventure. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.560 Well that's kind of nice, I guess. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.359 So it's about as pleasant as it can get. With 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:14.200 the suicide note. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.280 I think the Wizard himself, Frank Morgan, he was injured 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.360 in a car wreck just a few months after they 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.880 released the movie. And then, of course Judy Garland had 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.359 one of the more tragic lives in Hollywood history. Yes, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.760 they're making a movie about her soon, I think she. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.840 I can't believe they haven't already. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.399 I think they've done it on TV, but not a 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:38.080 big movie thing. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.280 I don't think she was basically owned by MGM. Yeah, 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.920 like almost almost the definition of being owned right. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:47.720 She was. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.320 Like we discovered at age thirteen, I think in Kansas 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.320 actually at a state fair and they said, well, we're 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.440 just going to buy you from your parents, basically, and 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.160 they took her and they said, you can't get fat, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:08.240 so smoke eighty cigarettes a day. Yeah, they basically prescribed 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.840 her that. They got her on amphetamines to keep her going. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.360 They let her have one square meal a day. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:15.240 Terrible. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.800 Yeah, really so she and she Yeah, if ed makes 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.320 a really good point. If there was any real tragedy 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.399 that came out of the Wizard of Oz, it was 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:27.800 Judy Garland's life. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.360 Yeah. Absolutely, so. She eventually would die by suicide herself 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:38.520 on an overdose of barbituates. And I think it's she 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:45.160 had the equivalent of ten seeking all capsules. Lord. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.320 Yeah, well, man, let's say it. I want to see 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.680 that movie. Do you know who's going to play her? Oh? 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.120 Man, I just saw this the other day. I can't 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.400 remember who, but I remember thinking, yeah, good casting. Oh okay, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:05.600 like it wasn't Owen Wilson. That'd be pretty bad troubles 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.800 come on and get happy. So right, she was forty 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.080 seven years young, by the way, which is far far 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.280 too young. Sure, to have lost Judy Garland. Yeah, uh, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:16.240 you want to take. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.080 A break, Yeah, that downer. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.639 Yes, all right, we'll come back and talk about the 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:22.000