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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday. Chuck here with your Saturday selects.

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Speaker 1: And this week I think it inspired me because recently

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Speaker 1: we did an episode on the movie Roar, the most

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Speaker 1: dangerous movie ever made, supposedly, And so let's go back

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Speaker 1: to November of twenty seventeen, the sixteenth to be exact,

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Speaker 1: to talk about movies being cursed in this episode that

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Speaker 1: runs at fifty six minutes long. Can movies be cursed?

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy it right now. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry.

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Speaker 3: My tongue is super big today for some reason. Cross

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Speaker 3: and this is stuff you should know. I know, it's

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Speaker 3: like it sound like Peter Overbee, for God's sake, who's

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Speaker 3: that You know that guy's voice anywhere?

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Speaker 2: He's like an MPR reporter.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and like he he has me even beat

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Speaker 3: for the large tongues candy sucking sound. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: when we first came out and people would write it

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Speaker 3: in and be like, t Josh, stop sucking on candy

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Speaker 3: while these podcasting, And I'd just be like, that's my

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Speaker 3: normal voice.

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Speaker 2: Man, thanks a lot, Yeah, appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: But now now that we're high rollers, they provided me

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Speaker 3: with a private nurse to suction out the saliva every

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Speaker 3: thirty seconds. My god, and then Jerry has to edit

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Speaker 3: it out. So gross, gross but true, right, like a

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Speaker 3: cursed movie story.

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Speaker 2: True?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what? I hated the dentists besides everything?

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Speaker 2: Man, that was a pretty good segue.

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Speaker 1: I know that I just totally mowed over. I hated

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Speaker 1: the dentists. Now, you know, you don't have to spit

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Speaker 1: anymore because they do have those suction things, But it's

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Speaker 1: still like I still do the fake swallow, you know

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Speaker 1: how it feels like it builds up in the back

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Speaker 1: of your now so like they'll be in your mouth

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Speaker 1: and you'll just go like that.

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Speaker 3: I hate that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. Do you do that?

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Speaker 1: Does everyone do that?

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Speaker 2: A gag reflex thing?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not even a gag reflex, it's just the.

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Speaker 3: Hard swallow that it's almost swallow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sort of swallow reflex.

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Speaker 3: If that's such a thing, do you feel like you're

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Speaker 3: gonna break your vocal cords or your throat muscles?

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Speaker 2: Got I hate that.

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean. I don't hate it, though.

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Speaker 3: I think it's kind of yeah, not enjoyable, But I

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Speaker 3: don't know, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: When they talk to you and expect me.

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Speaker 3: To talk about they can talk, but yeah, they can't

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Speaker 3: be any questions involved. Maybe rhetorical questions that you can

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: My last hygienist I really didn't care for, Like that

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Speaker 1: dentists that they'll put down in front of you, and

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Speaker 1: which is fine, I don't really care. But she would

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, why don't they just why don't they

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Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was real annoying. And then

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Speaker 1: I came back in not too long ago and there

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Speaker 1: was a new hygienis for me and she was awesome,

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Speaker 1: and on the way out, I was like, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I won't say your name. I was like,

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Speaker 1: but this new hygienis I really like a lot. And

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Speaker 1: she was like, what about before? I was like, I

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Speaker 1: and you guys need to tell us that. And we

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Speaker 1: let her go because we got all these complaints huh

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Speaker 1: started flooding in. I was like, well, I feel bad,

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Speaker 1: like I don't want to get anyone fired. Sure, but

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Speaker 2: Huh. So anyway, was this in brook Haven?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah? Is it Brookhaven? How do you know where

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Speaker 3: Why? I just hadn't experience in brook Haven And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead and shout out my dentist, the

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Speaker 1: great doctor Darryl Kimchi. She's wonderful kimchi.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's one of my favorite foods.

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Speaker 1: Well, but is that your dentist?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, but it's possible that we're talking about like a

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Speaker 1: Maybe you know she's just making the rounds and buck

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Speaker 1: ed Brookhaven, right, yeah, doctor Darryl Kimchi of Atlanta Cosmetic

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Speaker 1: Sports Dentistry.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is quite a shout out.

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Speaker 3: I think doctor kim Chi owes us some free kimchi

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Speaker 1: She's sort of a celebrity that she does a lot

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Speaker 1: but I went in and they have memorabilia up everywhere,

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Speaker 3: Oh no way, that's hilarious. Yeah, wow, that's great.

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Speaker 1: That reminds me of the Friends when Joey tried to

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Speaker 1: like the dry cleaner or something. Right and do it?

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Speaker 2: Man, that is so stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has got a nice loose start.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, chuck, but this is a this is this is

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Speaker 3: a fun one. But let's begin, shall we.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this was written by the grabster of the

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Speaker 1: article is ten movies that were supposed cursed, and Ed

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Speaker 1: goes to great links to point out health there's no

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Speaker 1: way that anything can ever be really cursed, right.

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Speaker 3: I think probably his couple of lines where he's like

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Speaker 1: You know, I got the only guy to sign this

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Speaker 3: But he does love writing about movies. He's definitely a

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Speaker 3: movie guy. Yeah, especially horror movies. And it seems like

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Speaker 3: more than any other movie, horror movies. They're the variety

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Speaker 3: that tend to be associated with curses more than other types, right.

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Speaker 1: Or at least the marketing department cooks that up.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's definitely par for the course these days.

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Speaker 3: But there was a more innocent, gentler time when when

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Speaker 3: a legitimate rumor. You know, it wasn't a pr stunt, right, So,

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Speaker 3: like you said, it goes to some trouble to point

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Speaker 3: out what's actually behind the idea of a movie curse.

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Speaker 3: That some things are bound to happen on just about

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Speaker 3: Of course, bad things happened on movies since of course

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Speaker 2: It was broken so badly. Because this is the flood.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 3: Were just like, Oh, they're just extras. Who cares? Although

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Speaker 3: John Wayne turns out was an extra in that movie,

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Speaker 3: but he's really obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and any actors into another curse he does.

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Speaker 3: He also worked in the special effects department on that movie.

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Speaker 3: Or prop prop sorry, prop.

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Speaker 1: Like special effects was what he did early CGI. Right.

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Speaker 2: He would he would clap the coconuts together.

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Speaker 1: For all the horse scenes.

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Speaker 2: Right, But oh, I have another one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is another movie years later they died

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Speaker 3: of the light Brigade maybe, Okay. It was a nineteen

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Speaker 3: charge that they recreated, three extras in that movie died

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Speaker 3: this is this happened on a movie set. And it's

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was very sad. That's when Vic Morrow,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shin Yi Chan and Micah Din Lee were the

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Speaker 3: Ed is saying is when you start to put these

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Speaker 1: Should we start with Poltergeist? Yes, Poltergeist. That's one where

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Speaker 1: people always list this is a cursed movie because quite

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Speaker 1: but it's also a textbook example of why the idea

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Speaker 1: so over and over, so three of those first three

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Speaker 1: Poulter guys eighty two, eighty six, and eighty eight. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see the remake, did you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course there was. They remade it a few

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it was very popular. But Dominic

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Speaker 1: dunnique Dominique, excuse me? Her father was Dominic done correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and her brother was Griffin Dunny is Gryffin done?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was well, she was murdered. She was murdered

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Speaker 1: by her boyfriend John Sweeney. Yeah, and that was a

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Speaker 1: very disturbing case. Have you ever poked around that case? Yes,

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Speaker 1: Like these signs were all there. It was one of

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Speaker 3: He did like three years in prison. And Dominic dunn

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Speaker 3: her father, he was there every day for the trial

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Speaker 3: injustice of the sentence that the guy received.

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Speaker 1: Well, changed his life. He became a crusader, it did.

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Speaker 3: You can read some of the best coverage of high

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Speaker 3: profile murder cases in the pages of Vanity Fair that

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Speaker 3: direct result of him basically covering his own daughter's murderers trial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oj, very famously he covered that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes he did, and he apparently the Duns spent a

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Speaker 3: great deal of time basically keeping tabs on John Sweeney

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Speaker 1: He was a chef for a while, he was, And

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Speaker 1: I even started tracking him down this. I just went

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Speaker 3: And then Dominique Akin died just a couple of months

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's next? The Wizard of Oz is next.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Nineteen thirty nine. Great great movie, but a

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Speaker 1: Right, we'll check that out. Other tragedies and Wizard of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really so she and she Yeah, if ed makes

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so. She eventually would die by suicide herself

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Speaker 2: All right, Chuck.

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Speaker 3: So there's actually a role Superman that's considered a cursed role.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that?

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Speaker 1: I did know that because I remember as a kid,

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Speaker 1: I like to watch reruns of stuff like Gilgan's Island

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you know, it's one of those old shows.

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Speaker 1: The name of the show that I watch was called

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Speaker 2: Oh? Is that what it was?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They were just like, you know, you're gonna play Superman,

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Speaker 1: So eat a bunch of steak, right, like buff up

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Speaker 3: one like public appearance, he had to talk a kid

441
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: out of shooting him, like this kid had brought his

442
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: father's loaded thirty eight caliber pistol to shoot Superman to

443
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 3: see if the bullets really bounced off of him, and

444
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 3: George Reeve got the kid to put to hand the

445
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: gun over to like a cop or something, because he

446
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: told him that sure, of course the bullet would bounce

447
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: off of him, but it could ricochet and hurt somebody

448
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: else who is standing nearby.

449
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the Ben Affleck movie. Hollywood Land

450
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: is about George Reeves, and that scene was in the

451
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: movie Okay, and he does it's it's okay, it's not great,

452
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: but you you lost me at ben aff It's not bad.

453
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, he talks the kid out of it in

454
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: the in the movie and has said exactly what you said,

455
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: like of course, blah blah blah, and then he takes it.

456
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: Then you can see him he's just like, oh God Jesus,

457
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: like almost got shot right.

458
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah that was. I can't imagine the relief that

459
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: would wash over you after that.

460
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So George Reeves Reeves, Reeves.

461
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the plural. It's tough to keep.

462
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: Up with it is he He had a very sort

463
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: of sad life, which is in that Hollywood Land movie.

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: He like you said, he couldn't get other work, and

465
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: he was only known as Superman. I think he turned

466
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: to the booze and was not a happy guy. And eventually,

467
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: in June of nineteen fifty nine, there was a he

468
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: was having a party at his own house as fiance

469
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: was sewing a party, and he said, I'm gonna go

470
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: upstairs and shoot myself in the head.

471
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Ed makes it sound like he was upset

472
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: about the noise or something like that from the party.

473
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Speaker 1: I mean that may have been the straw, but he

474
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: was upset about life.

475
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: I gotcha.

476
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: And I got the sense like legitimately depressed, you know,

477
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: like clinically depressed.

478
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean like it's it's as we get

479
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: to know more and more about like depression, it's so

480
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: much easier to look back at, like, you know, people

481
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: who were depressed before. But you just never really kind

482
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: of pegged him like that because people didn't know about

483
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Then it's just sad to see,

484
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: like how many people suffered like that because no one

485
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: knew what was going on, or they just thought it

486
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: was the blues or you should just snap out of it, right, Yeah. Yeah,

487
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: we've never done one on depression. I think we should

488
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: have We not, I don't believe we have.

489
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: Man, Well, then we should definitely do that.

490
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: We have the one on Cats.

491
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: And then Christopher Reeve played Superman and that is why

492
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: some say it is a cursed role because he was

493
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: very sadly injured in a horse riding accident in the

494
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: mid nineties which left him paralyzed from the neck down.

495
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: And he became very much an inspiration to people because

496
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: he became an advocate for research into spinal cord injuries

497
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: and he went on to direct and even act them

498
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: as well after that.

499
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: And it also points out that after Christopher Reeve died,

500
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: his wife Dana, who saw him through this whole thing. Yeah,

501
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: she died of cancer like two years afterward.

502
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

503
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: Just man, I felt so awful for that family and

504
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: less kids.

505
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just to get like that random, to

506
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: be thrown from a horse and then just be paralyzed

507
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 3: from the neck down.

508
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: So you put those two together and everyone says, well,

510
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: Superman is a cursed role, correct? What would the grabster say?

511
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: No such thing as curses, so stupid. The Conqueror is

512
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: a movie that, like we said, John Wayne factored in,

513
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and this one was definitely. I don't know about Cursed,

514
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: but well, here's the story. It is very unlikely that

515
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: John Wayne would play Mongolian Genghis Khan. He did, though,

516
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: but it was Hollywood back in the day where they

517
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: just would cast white people to play whoever, right, And

518
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: he played Genghis Khan. And they shot the Conquer in Utah,

519
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: less than one hundred and fifty miles from the Nevada

520
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: Test Site, sorry Nevada test site, where our own US

521
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: government set off eleven nuclear detonations above ground.

522
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: The year before, just in the year before.

523
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that area was crawling with bad stuff, lingering

524
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: fallout in the dirt and in the rocks and like

525
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: everything it was in the soil, and they were just

526
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: running around in their filming movies.

527
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

528
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: I read this really interesting article in the Guardian called

529
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: Hollywood and the down Windows about the people who lived

530
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: in that area who suffered tremendously health problems from the fallout,

531
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: and the government went to great lengths to cover it

532
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 3: up and just assured everybody that there was no danger

533
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: whatsoever to them, even though their houses and school yards

534
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 3: were covered in radioactive ash and so from filming there.

535
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: When this production came to town and they filmed there.

536
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were exposed to the same radioactive debris and

537
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 3: dust and dirt that these people who lived in the

538
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: area were as well. And as a result, supposedly something

539
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: like ninety one out of two hundred and twenty cast

540
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: and crew members who worked on location for the movie

541
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: The Conqueror came down with cancer later on in life,

542
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: which is highly unusual statistically speaking.

543
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like forty something percent of the crew. And

544
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: years later, in People magazine in nineteen eighty they actually

545
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: did a special report on that movie in the Cancer Connection,

546
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: like John Wayne, Agnes Morehead, Gene Gerson, Susan Hayward, the

547
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: director Dick Powell, they all died of cancer. And in

548
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: that People magazine, doctor Robert C. Pendleton, he was director

549
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: of radiological health at the University of Utah, said that,

550
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: like this would hold up in a court of law.

551
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: That's such an outstanding number of people.

552
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently not even just the people who worked

553
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: on the production. It came to be known The Conqueror

554
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: came to be known by the way, it's considered one

555
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: of the best bad movies of the Golden Age of Hollywood.

556
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: But people who visited the set battle cancer later in

557
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: life too. Both of John Wayne's sons who came to

558
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: visit him. There's a famous picture of him with two

559
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: of his sons and a guy using a Geiger counter

560
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: on set. Wow, both of his sons had cancer later

561
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: in life too. But supposedly the family and Dick Powell's

562
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: son Norman, who's interviewed in that article I read, they

563
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: discount the idea that it was that people got cancer

564
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: from that test site. They say, maybe it was a

565
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: contributing factor, but these people all smoked heavily eight steak,

566
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: like eight times a day, and that they had a

567
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: lot of other risk factors that probably led to it.

568
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: But it's also entirely possible that they may not have

569
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: died of cancer as early had they not filmed at

570
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: that site.

571
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Well, that doctor Robert Pendleton said essentially that this is

572
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: about three times the rate of cancer that you would expect.

573
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: So right, I think that it definitely contributed.

574
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: It's pretty curious. I want to see it. Have you

575
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: ever seen The Conqueror? No, I gotta see this.

576
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of John Wayne as Genghis Khan. Yeah,

577
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty cringe.

578
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, super racist, but apparently, like even if you take

579
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: all that away, just like the dialogue is awful, like

580
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: the whole premise of it, as he kidnaps a woman

581
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: and forces her to marry him, and of course romance

582
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: blossoms as a result, you know, just the usual stuff

583
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: from the fifties.

584
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: The Omen. Yes, this is a good one because this

585
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: is one of those where it's a movie about the devil,

586
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: and so all these stories are going to be heightened, right,

587
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like Poulter guys, like it wouldn't

588
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: if this was when Harry met Sally and then some

589
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: of this stuff happened.

590
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: That when Harry met Sally was cursed with great.

591
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Laughs, it was I love that movie. One of the

592
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: few romantic comedies that were legit good movies. Yeah, you know, yeah,

593
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: so let's go back to the beginning of this one. Obviously,

594
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: the omen everyone knows was the great movie from nineteen

595
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: seventy six about the Antichrist taking well not but I

596
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: guess possession you could call it. But it's not like

597
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: an exorcist thing. It basically the Antichrist is this little boy.

598
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: He comes back as a little boy.

599
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in a bad, bad naughty little boy Damien

600
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: who dresses like Angus Young. Yeah, sure, okay, So Damien

601
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: is adopted by Gregory Peck in the movie, and in

602
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: real life, Gregory Peck's son killed himself. He died by suicide,

603
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: apparently out of the blue. No suicide note or anything

604
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, And this was before production had started,

605
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: but after Peck had agreed to do the movie, right,

606
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: and he still went ahead and did the movie. He

607
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: left the US and went to London, and even on

608
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: the way to London, before you even got to London

609
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: to start shooting, something happened to him, right.

610
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, I'm gonna get on a plane and

611
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: fly to London. His plane was struck by lightning, right,

612
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: and the producer's plane was struck by lightning separately.

613
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: These are different, two different planes struck by lightning on

614
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: the way to start shooting in London.

615
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: So this curse thing is being legit this time.

616
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: This is the one that even Ed got a little

617
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: shaky on if you ask me.

618
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: How about this. The hotel where they stayed, at least

619
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: where the producer and some other folks stayed, was bombed

620
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: by the Irish Republican Army.

621
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hilton, the London Hilton.

622
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't know about a curse in that case, because

623
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: the mid seventies there's a lot of that going on.

624
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the IRI was bombing all sorts of stuff back then.

625
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was like a restaurant where the crew

626
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and the cats went to eat one night.

627
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were about to go eat there.

628
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: So there's actually like all these close calls actually make

629
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: it seem like this this movie production wasn't cursed, but

630
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: instead was actually being looked out for on high by

631
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: the dark Lord.

632
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Right.

633
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: So like the crew that was going to go to

634
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: dinner didn't go to dinner, they didn't make it there

635
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 3: in time for the bombing. The people who were staying

636
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: in the hotel when it was bombed weren't there yet.

637
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: There were a lot of close calls, but there was

638
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: one close call that really is just mind numbing. I

639
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: would have freaked out had I been one of the

640
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: people involved.

641
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: The private jet.

642
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they chartered a private jet to fly them

643
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: around London to get some good aerial footage of London,

644
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: and at the last minute, the charter service switched planes

645
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: to accommodate a group of Japanese businessmen. Well, the plane

646
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: that the Japanese businessman took that the crew was supposed

647
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: to be on, crashed on takeoff, actually crashed into a

648
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: car and killed everybody on board the plane and everybody

649
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: in the car.

650
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: It crashed into.

651
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: How about that?

652
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: And this is like a last minute switched to supposedly.

653
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, those make you think, yeah that.

654
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: I mean cursor, No, just knowing that you were that close,

655
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: It just that gets you.

656
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: How about this? A worker there was an animal sanctuary

657
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: where they filmed, and a worker there was killed by

658
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: a tiger. Yep, that one.

659
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: Uh, I think I think that was the actual animal

660
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: wrangler for the movie was killed. Really yeah, which makes

661
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: it even closer. This is the one, though, Chuck, you

662
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: got to take this one home. This is the one

663
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: that really gets everybody, even though I think it's like

664
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: a lot of it's made up.

665
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a car crash with John Richardson, who

666
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: was a special effects worker. He designed the effects for

667
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: the omen.

668
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Including a very famous decapitation scene toward the end.

669
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: Yes, very famous. And I thought that was at the beginning.

670
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Was it the beginning?

671
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's how it opened if

672
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: I remember. But it's been a while okay either way.

673
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: He was in Holland after working on a movie called

674
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: A Bridge Too Far, and he was involved in a

675
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: head on collision in his car and was injured. But

676
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: his assistant Liz Moore, was decapitated and killed in that

677
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: car wreck. And he claims, and I don't know if

678
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: this is lore or not, sounds laurish. It does sound laurish,

679
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: but he claims that he awoke from that crash and

680
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: looked up and there was a street sign where they

681
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: crashed that said the distance to the next town, and

682
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: it was the town of oh Men, mn N. At

683
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: a distance of sixty six point six kilometers.

684
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Sam, Now, is that true.

685
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: There's no way it's true, because I looked up up

686
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: on the internet that sign trying to find any picture

687
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: of that sign. If that sign existed, there would be

688
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: so many pictures from tourists taking photos of it on

689
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: the internet. There's not a single one.

690
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: Do you think from back then those pictures would still

691
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: be around.

692
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: The sign would probably be still be around.

693
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: Well, see, I think that's the presumption. That may not

694
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: be true. Like they may have taken the sign down

695
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: for that reason.

696
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: Maybe I guess that's possible, But no, picture of it

697
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: whatsoever that no AP photographer went, I gotta get a

698
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: picture of that sign. Nobody did that. There's no existing

699
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: photo of that.

700
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Sure.

701
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that makes me think, like, although,

702
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: there is a town called Omen in the Netherlands, so

703
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: it's entirely possible a crash took place by there.

704
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: So that checks out.

705
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: That definitely checks out. So we're gonna take a break, everybody,

706
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: we just decided, but we're gonna be right back, So

707
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: don't worry, because we're gonna talk some more about cursed movies.

708
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: All right, We're back, as I promised, and we're on

709
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: the Brainstorm, which I think Ed was just kind of

710
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: showing off with this one, because he even says, like,

711
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: you're not going to find this on many lists of

712
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: curse movies.

713
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure I get the curse in this one,

714
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it. Brainstorm was the nineteen eighty

715
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: three sci fi movie most famously known as being the

716
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: Great Natalie Woods final film, right because she died in

717
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: real life after the movie, obviously, when she drowned after

718
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: being out on a boat one night partying with her

719
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: husband Robert Wagner and her co star Christopher Walken right

720
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: under some say many say mysterious circumstances. Yeah.

721
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: I was reading up about that case. And they apparently

722
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: have been drinking since at least four in the afternoon,

723
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: and they made it back to the boat pretty late,

724
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: and they've been.

725
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: Drinking through dinner.

726
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: They were all just pretty pretty crocked, right, And supposedly

727
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 3: Natalie Wood was either afraid of water and or couldn't swim,

728
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: and for some reason she had tried to get into

729
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: a dinghy that was attached to the boat that they

730
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: were staying on and probably hit her head and drowned.

731
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: That's the story.

732
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: That's the official story, right.

733
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: But apparently in twenty twelve it was reopened or her

734
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: cause of death was changed from accident to undetermined.

735
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were stories that she and Robert

736
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: Wagner had been fighting. The captain even many years later,

737
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: said that he actually killed her. No charges wherever brought

738
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Christopher walking for his I think he's never talked about

739
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: it publicly, if I'm not mistaken.

740
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: No, he finally did years and years later in a

741
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: Playboy interview, and he basically said it was it must

742
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: have been an accident that no one knows but she

743
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: surely it was a incident.

744
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: That was what he said, and that's probably the only

745
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: thing he said, because I didn't think he ever said anything.

746
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: Uh, he said it's an accident. Clearly.

748
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: That was great.

749
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: Because that was that was Christopher walking with just a

750
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: hint of John Travolta.

751
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a little trible to esk for? Yeah, so yeah,

752
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean that's tied to Brainstorm as being a curse,

753
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: I guess because they were both in the movie, even

754
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: though the grabster points out that some people tied this

755
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: back to a Rebel without a Cause curse.

756
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: Because that makes way more sense to me.

757
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because James Dean and Salminio and Natalie wood Than

758
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: all died from that movie relatively young.

759
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: She made it the longest. She was in her early forties,

760
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: I think when she died. But James Dean died very

761
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: young in a car crash right after Rebel without a

762
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: Cause was released.

763
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: I think yeah, And I think wouldn't saw many a murdered.

764
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 3: He was murdered in nineteen seventy six at a pretty

765
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: young age.

766
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: Still.

767
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: He was stabbed to death in the heart in Ali

768
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: behind his house. Yeah, I have a pizza man to me,

769
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, huh, it's so weird. Well it is,

770
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: but I mean we're talking about curses so well.

771
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean usually the pizza man gets stabbed, you know

772
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

773
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: Right, I think this guy was actually a serial killing

774
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: pizza man.

775
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I just saw recently. Is there a

776
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: serial killer in like central Florida?

777
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

778
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard anything. But aren't there like at least

779
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: fifty serial killers operating at any given point in time?

780
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do know that I saw

781
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: something that I heard that like three murders in the

782
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: Tampa area were just linked. Oh man, I think that

783
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: made me think it's been a while.

784
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't hear about him very often, but as

785
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: I grow older and wiser, I'm starting to think, like

786
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot more serial killers out there than you

787
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: would imagine. That, like human life has very little value

788
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: to more people than you would hope.

789
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: You know.

790
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that the darkest thing you can think of.

791
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: It's pretty dark.

792
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

793
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: The last high profile when I remember is BTK. But

794
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: surely there's been one since then.

795
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, because he was like early two thousands, right,

796
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: I know, but I can't think of one.

797
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: I can't either, man, But.

798
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since. You know, we've heard

799
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: of like Jeffrey Dahmers and man that was said, Bundy's

800
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, thankfully, sure, the Son of

801
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: Sam's and the Zodiacs. It seems like the seventies and

802
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: eighties were sort of the time where that was happening more.

803
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why.

804
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: Maybe it was harder to get away with it, or

805
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: easier to get away with it, or.

806
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, who knows.

807
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm listening to that Heaven's Gate podcast. Have you heard that?

808
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. No, it's good.

809
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: It's from our buddy Chris Bannon over at Midroll put

810
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: it out and is he hosting it? No, no, no,

811
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Glenn Washington narrates it. But having through three episodes now,

812
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: it's really good. But it's kind of funny, man, that

813
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: time of the sixties and seventies, it was just and

814
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: we talked about it some in our Cults episode. It

815
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: was people just believed more in trying stuff out like

816
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: that and UFOs and it was all just kind of

817
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: the in the mainstream right and it just all seems

818
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: so unbelievable now but back then it wasn't. It was

819
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of believable that someone might join up with a cult.

820
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people were on grass back then,

821
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 3: on the Grass.

822
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. I got to hear that.

823
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: It's good podcast. Man, that's just a fascinating story.

824
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: But now that means we can't do Heaven's.

825
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: Kate because Bannon did it.

826
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they did. You know, you can't cover

827
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: in forty five minutes what they cover in whatever ten episodes.

828
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Ten sounds about right.

829
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I haven't. I don't think they released

830
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: it all at once, but it feels like a ten.

831
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Let's say seven to ten.

832
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: So anyway, can we close on Brainstorm or are we

833
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: still uh? Do we miss something?

834
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: Uh?

835
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah.

836
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean Natalie Wood's murders or death death sorry is unsolved,

837
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: still in its mystery.

838
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: It may always be.

839
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: I had no idea about that about Robert Wagner. I

840
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: just knew Natalie Wood drowned. I'd never heard anything about

841
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: it being mysterious.

842
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's long been mysterious, and well, here's how

843
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: we'll finish it. Then she wasn't even able to finish

844
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: filming on that movie. And they did use a body

845
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: double to complete some of those scenes and it was

846
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: a big flop.

847
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, yes, it was okay, Chuck. So for the

848
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: last one, then we're gonna combine two together.

849
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: Strangely, they are almost the same story, but with two

851
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: different films, and both of them were films that were

852
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: never made or have yet to be made, is a

853
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: better way to put it. The first one is a

854
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: Confederacy of Dunces, the film adaptation of John Kennedy Toole's book.

855
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: I Guess Novel.

856
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Great book.

857
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never read it so good I really want

858
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: to have just never read it for some reason.

859
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a classic, classic book. And very sadly, Tool

860
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: killed himself in nineteen sixty nine and the book was

861
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: not out yet, And part of the reason he killed

862
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: himself is because he could not achieve success as a writer.

863
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: His mother gets a published it wins a Pulitzer Prize

864
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, and posthumously he became a famous author.

865
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: So people when it first was published in the early eighties,

867
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: people were like, Oh, we've got to turn this into

868
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: a movie. This is a great IDEA great book will

869
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: be a great movie. And they said, could who can

870
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: possibly play the main character? Belushi? He'd be perfect. Belushi dies, Well,

871
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: who's next? Let's wait a few years and let's see

872
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: who else could play this main character? John Candy. John

873
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: Candy died. Okay, all right, everybody, let's just take a breather.

874
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: We'll wait a year or two. Who's the next guy

875
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: who's gonna play this? I got it this young up

876
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: and comer named Chris Farley. Yeah, Chris Farley die. So

877
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: a confederacy of Dunce has just kept getting put off

878
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: and off and off. Right, Then finally Will Ferrell steps in,

879
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: and it looks like it's going to happen because Will

880
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: Ferrell is obviously indestructible.

881
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And if you haven't gathered by hearing the

882
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: people cast as ignatious, Riley was, he was a heavy

883
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: man in the book. So obviously Belushi, Candy, and Farley

884
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: are all big dudes, and they all died. So finally

885
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: to go to Ferrell and they're like, well, he's in shape,

886
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: and we can bulk him up. Maybe you some special effects.

887
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Have no idea, but at least he's probably not gonna

888
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: drop dead of a heart attack or something, right, he

889
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: was a safe bet. Yeah, but that didn't happen either.

890
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of in turnaround forever. It

891
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: took a long time in development, and eventually the head

892
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: of the Louisiana State Film Commission. It set in New Orleans,

893
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: so they would have shot there. He was murdered and

894
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina came along to wipe out a lot of

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Speaker 1: where the film would be shot, and so I think

896
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: that kind of just helped to put it on indefinite

897
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Speaker 1: hold at the very least. But they are. I just

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00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: saw I was looking this up see if I was

899
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: back on track, and I saw there's a movie called

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00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: The Butterfly and the Typewriter about John Kennedy Tool oh

901
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: neat So they're doing a biopic on him with Thomas Man.

902
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Now Thomas Mann playing Tool. Who's he he's an actor right?

903
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Well obviously, but what has he been in?

904
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Speaker 1: The thing that I saw him in was a movie

905
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: out a couple of years ago called Me and Earl

906
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: and the Dying Girl. Oh okay, it's a good, good

907
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: little indie film. So he's good. So he's playing to

908
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: and then I think Susan Sarandon places his mom oh

909
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: and Diane Krueger's in it as well.

910
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: So and Susan Sarandon's going to totally try to date

911
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: him too, I'll bet.

912
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: Why would you say that? Oh she likes younger dudes?

913
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: O really? Oh yeah, maybe I have a shot.

914
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: She likes young hipster dudes. No way younger than you,

915
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: my friend.

916
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: Maybe not good for her. I love Susan Sarandon.

917
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, more power too. I think she's great.

918
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: But she is totally going to try to date Thomas Man.

919
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good for him too.

920
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: Then sure I'm not being judgy, no, I know, Okay,

921
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: So then that's a confederacy of dunces. Right, Yes, there's

922
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: another script out there called A Took that has virtually

923
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: the same story to it, Right well, but the story

924
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: is totally different, But the cursed story is virtually the

925
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: same with A Took.

926
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: It's like a fish.

927
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: Out of Water movie about an Inuit man who comes

928
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: to New York and has to make his way in

929
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 3: the big city.

930
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that script.

931
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Speaker 3: Was early on, it was optioned and John Belushi was

932
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: scheduled to play the main character. Right well, what happened

933
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: to John Belushi?

934
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: He died?

935
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: So who was up next?

936
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: Chuck John Candy.

937
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

938
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well John Candy passed, God rest his soul.

939
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: Who was after John Candy Chris Farley. That's right, Chris Farley.

940
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: And so the narrative to this curse story takes a

941
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: huge sudden turn when the next person up after Chris

942
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: Farley is Sam Kennison.

943
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and Sam Kennison. They were actually, I mean they

944
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: were actually gonna make the movie. It was happening, and

945
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Sam Kennison kind of destroyed that because he wanted to

946
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: He want to be really heavily involved in the scriptory

947
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: rights in the direction of the film. He wanted a

948
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: creative control. He battled with the studio. I think there

949
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: may have even been lawsuits going on, yeah, and that

950
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: he eventually got to the point where he was like,

951
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: you know what if I'm gonna if you're not going

952
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: to give me creative control, I'll be in your movie

953
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: and I'll suck on purpose.

954
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: On purpose.

955
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: And they said, oh yeah, we're gonna sue you, and

956
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: he said, oh yeah, right, and then he died in

957
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: a car wreck, yeah, before anything could happen as a result.

958
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: So I took for the moment died with him again.

959
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: In that bizarre it is the idea that those two

960
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: things crossed over like that that one. Obviously it's not

961
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: a curse, but I think that it's pretty interesting at

962
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Speaker 3: the very least.

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00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

964
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: Well, if you guys want to know more about movie curses,

965
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: just go start watching movies and ask people or is

966
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: this one cursed? And then if they say no, go

967
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: watch another one and ask about that. And then eventually

968
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: someone will say yes, this one's cursed, and then ask

969
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 3: them the story behind it. And in the meantime, since

970
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Speaker 3: I said all that, it's time for listener.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna call this just a very kind of

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Speaker 1: email from a kind assie.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, discovered your show a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 1: and I reckon I have listened to two or three

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love you guys, and to say that your

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Speaker 1: show is addictive would be an understatement. Until very recently,

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Speaker 1: I was a news junkie. I live in Melbourne, Australia.

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Speaker 1: I would listen to Radio National at every opportunity, but

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Speaker 1: I also have two youngest children, eleven and nine, and

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Speaker 1: having grown up in the shadow of the mushroom cloud myself,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to subject my kids to the same fear.

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Speaker 1: So finding your podcast has been a true joy. I

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Speaker 1: love how enthusiastic and optimistic you both are about everything,

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Speaker 1: and your curiosity is truly infectious.

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Speaker 2: That is so nice, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You are so gloriously accepting of different ideas and cultures.

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Speaker 1: And I've even adopted Chucks. I don't want to young

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Speaker 1: someone else's young, which, by the way, Bridget, I did

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Speaker 1: not make that up.

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Speaker 2: Now, that was another listener who knows most, but we love.

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Speaker 1: To say it. For sure, you've adopted that. But I

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Speaker 1: love the podcast so much I've got my husband and

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Speaker 1: kids into it as well. My husband is a radio

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Speaker 1: ham and you listen to your episode on Ham Radio together.

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Speaker 1: He was impressed with your efforts. Keep it up, guys,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for all the joy and information you

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Speaker 1: brought to my life. Cheers is from Bridget Foster and Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Cheers with some Fosters.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what, Bridgid, We're coming to Melbourne

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Speaker 1: in September of next year for shows.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And you right in with a friendly reminder, and you

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Speaker 1: and your family can get on the old guest list.

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Speaker 2: How about that awesome man, Chuck, you're the guy.

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Speaker 1: You're the guy. They're your passes too, all right?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you them out, Thanks a lot, Bridget, it

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Speaker 3: was Bridget and family, right yeah, Bridgid with a D.

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Speaker 2: Bridgid.

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Speaker 3: get in touch with us, like Bridget did, you can

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