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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: What the episode started?

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Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was going to say something,

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Speaker 1: Are we so creatively bankrupt that there's there's nothing else

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Speaker 1: that we felt as younger men. Anyway, my co hosts

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Speaker 1: on this episode, James Stout and me A Wong, welcome,

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Speaker 4: Hi, Robert, I'm glad you're doing so well.

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Speaker 1: We're all doing great, James. You've just been having a

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Speaker 1: searing emotional experience at the border. Yeah, and everyone else

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: Today, today we're going to be talking about the both

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Speaker 1: the most and least American state, Texas. Huzzah, Yeah, love you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Who here has spent a lot of time in Texas. Garrison,

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Speaker 1: You lived in the Dallas area, right.

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Speaker 6: A lot that I've made my visits to Texas over

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Speaker 6: the years with you, even in the murder house.

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Speaker 1: You and I have quaffed many a shiner bock together,

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Speaker 1: James Many. Okay, I guess we'll move into the fucking episode.

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Speaker 1: So there was a there was an email sent out

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Speaker 1: by Texasdemocrats dot org recently with the title Texas moves

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Speaker 1: from solid red to battleground. Sure, you know, like clockwork.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Democrats got very excited, and I made

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Speaker 1: a couple of people made posts being like, hey, this

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Speaker 1: are never right. Texas is never a battleground and it

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Speaker 1: always costs an insane amount of money. It is a

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Speaker 1: pump it into something that will fill up their coffers

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Speaker 1: and not achieve anything of value for the state of

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Speaker 1: Texas or for the Democrats nationwide. And this makes people

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Speaker 1: very angry for two reasons. One, they tend to interpret

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Speaker 1: obsessively starts pointing out like, look, look at how over

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Speaker 1: the last thirty years, you know, the things have narrowed

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Speaker 1: you know raised, This is a this is winnable. We

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Speaker 1: today about why the anyone who talks to you about

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Speaker 1: but making it actually more difficult for Democrats to win,

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Speaker 7: Everybody, Here's here's how Bernie can still win. Though at

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Speaker 7: the very end, we will give you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're gonna let you know he's got a shot. Look,

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Speaker 1: look if he if he is capable of putting another

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Speaker 3: He's got a deploy bought a joy into an.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, and so simultaneous to this, right, if the

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Speaker 1: What I am saying, the argument that I'm making here,

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Speaker 1: We want to flip, you know, the state houses. We

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Speaker 1: that would be great for the Democratic Party. One of

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Speaker 1: my issues with it is that kind of focusing obsessively

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Speaker 1: improve life for people in Texas. I think the kind

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Speaker 1: these strategies that the Democratic Party has embraced in Texas

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Speaker 1: assassinations on this podcast. It wouldn't anger anybody though, right.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham has said that, like Lindsay Graham's like, what

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Speaker 1: maybe the only good joke a Republican elected officials ever

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Speaker 1: told is that if you were to shoot Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: So Beto lost quite badly to Greg Abbott, and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: basically every statewide candidate that the Democrats ran lost in

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Speaker 1: Party and people who pay attention to Texas politics and actually, like,

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Speaker 1: Joe Montfort, a Democratic consultant in North Texas, said, quote,

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Speaker 1: it's been one election after another where we ramp everybody

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Speaker 4: I love to need to finish in second.

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Speaker 8: There is if there's like a podium on election libertarians. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: the text Democratic Party to take the l to like Gildstein.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some kind of site. There were some

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Speaker 1: wins by Democrats in Texas. They managed to hold on

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is not a popular president. And the fact

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Speaker 6: Yeah, It's probably also worth pointing out that like those

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Speaker 6: those people are normally Democrats, Yeah, but you have guys

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Speaker 6: like hen is it Quella Quala Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah's

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Speaker 6: opposed to abortion rights yeah yeah, and extremely hawkish on

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Speaker 6: having like yeah, blue team good? Like not really if

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Speaker 6: and brutalize people for coming to this country for one day.

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Speaker 4: About a life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like a lot of the some of

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Speaker 1: these wins are kind of like marginal at best, given

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And more to the point, like it's not not only

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Speaker 1: and it failed. They tried something and it was so

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Speaker 1: areas where the money could have gone better. For example

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Speaker 1: he loses by eleven points to Greg Abbot. He raised

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Speaker 1: And this is again there's very nice things about Beto O'Rourke.

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Speaker 3: You know, I always say, the thing about Dean. Dean

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Speaker 2: To take back the White House.

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Speaker 1: it's a little silly, but that doesn't that doesn't that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be a twelve second news cycle today. But after

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Speaker 1: kind of failing out as a presidential candidate, he became

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Speaker 1: chairman of the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, and he

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Speaker 1: was a pretty good one. His kind of primary strategic

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Speaker 1: vision was what he called the fifty state strategy, which is,

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Speaker 1: don't focus just on swing states, never write a state

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Speaker 1: off at unwinnable. Instead, spread the money that the DNC

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Speaker 1: has around two campaign throughout the country everywhere, particularly to

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Speaker 1: fund local dncs so that they can start building a

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Speaker 1: stable of candidates that can attract voters and eventually win

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Speaker 1: local elections. It's not like an easy, it's not a

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Speaker 1: sexy strategy because a lot of it is focused on

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Speaker 1: like the slow kind of grueling fight to build up

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Speaker 1: a base of support and unfriendly terrain. But it worked

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Speaker 1: like really well. Actually in twenty or so states, those

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Speaker 1: that had voted solidly Republican in private previous recent presidential races,

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Speaker 1: Democratic candidates like won elections that had previously like in

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Speaker 1: the like gone against them like it had. Like there

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Speaker 1: were about like twenty states where it the kind of

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Speaker 1: slide to red was arrested and pushed back to blue.

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Speaker 1: These are Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia, and Wyoming. When you do the yeah, there

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Speaker 1: we go. So basically, Dean's strategy led to a net

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Speaker 1: gain of thirty nine state House seats and a two

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Speaker 1: percent increase of all seats in the states analyzed. They

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Speaker 1: lost two, you know, state Senate seats net, but it

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Speaker 1: worked great in the House and like gained an attorney generalship,

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Speaker 1: gained three House seats, gained a Senate seat, and in

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Speaker 1: fifteen of the twenty seats the Democratic nominees on increase

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Speaker 1: in vote share between two thousand and four and two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, which was the years that so again,

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Speaker 1: not super sexy. These aren't like we flipped Texas suddenly,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, we started to see real gains

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Speaker 1: and like a lot of pretty red states.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work everywhere. It was not particularly successful in

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Speaker 1: a large chunk of the South, like it did not

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Speaker 1: arrest the slide into the red everywhere. But in a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Midwest, particularly the states that were like

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Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton so called firewall that went for Trump

477
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it was extremely effective. And of course

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Speaker 1: it got mixed immediately after Obama won election. And this

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Speaker 1: is a big part of why in twenty ten the

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Speaker 1: DIMS lost disastrously. But like the basic idea of we

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Speaker 1: should be putting money into local democratic parties in order

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Speaker 1: to like number one, have like a big part of

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Speaker 1: winning any conflict, whether it's a war or a political election,

484
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Speaker 1: is having the resources available reserves to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: opportunities that present themselves in the moment. So you have

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Speaker 1: a solidly read state house seat or judge ship or

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Speaker 1: something like that, or governorship or mayor mayoralty, and a

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Speaker 1: candidate has a health scare or has a scandal, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get caught fucking a thirteen year old or something,

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Speaker 1: and suddenly this seat that was solidly read is in play.

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Speaker 1: And if you have no one who can get votes,

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Speaker 1: who can get voters excited, who can run for that, well,

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Speaker 1: then your probably not gonna win it. It's just going

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Speaker 1: to like go to whoever the RNC you know, picks

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Speaker 1: to pick up the seat next. But if you've got

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Speaker 1: someone waiting in the wings, they have a chance at

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Speaker 1: winning it. And a good example of this is what

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Speaker 1: just happened in Jacksonville, Florida. Right you have DeSantis make

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Speaker 1: go like lunge to the fucking most fascist end of

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Speaker 1: the right and pass this abortion bill that's something like

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the state doesn't like. And the

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Speaker 1: Dims had a decent candidate there that was able to

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Speaker 1: run against the Republican mayor of Jacksonville and win. And

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Speaker 1: in that election, the dim spent two million and the

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Speaker 1: Republicans spent nine million. You were not talking about the

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Speaker 1: kind of resources expended that you're seeing in some of

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Speaker 1: these dumb races we're talking about. So anyway, like this

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Speaker 1: is most of what I wanted to get into is

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Speaker 1: just like you can win and you can improve things

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Speaker 1: in Texas and you can build a base from which

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Speaker 1: to actually change things electorally in that state. But you

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Speaker 1: can't do it by just like focusing on whoever is

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Speaker 1: at the top. Like it has to be smarter. It's

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Speaker 1: not just about shoveling money into a pit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I think there's there's a couple of

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Speaker 3: things I want to add. One was that like, oh god, okay,

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Speaker 3: like so Tim Kane, Yeah, tim Kaine got put in

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Speaker 3: after they ran out Dean and Jesus like Tim Kane

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Speaker 3: might be is a is like a once in a

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Speaker 3: generation terrible politician, like one of the worst, you know,

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Speaker 3: but like like you would see ship like.

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Speaker 1: He is the Winston Churchill of making me bored.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, like he like like you would see I mean,

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Speaker 3: and this still happens, right, but like there are there

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Speaker 3: are seats that are winnable that the Dems like just

526
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Speaker 3: literally won't even bother finding people to run for because

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Speaker 3: they're just fucking too lazy and they don't give a shit.

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Speaker 3: And you know this this happens if this happens in

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Speaker 3: a fucking lot of races, and you know, and part

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Speaker 3: part of the other thing that that happens in this

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Speaker 3: sort of period that like you know, is the reason

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Speaker 3: why the top down is okay. So this is like

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Speaker 3: if if we're gonna actually do this sort of like

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Speaker 3: complicated electoralism, like this is why Bernie Sanders lost two

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Speaker 3: elections in a row. Is that you can't actually like

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Speaker 3: like actual sort of like substantive political change like doesn't

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Speaker 3: happen from the top down. It's it's like it happens

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Speaker 3: on bottom up organizing. And you know, the the democratic

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Speaker 3: waves in like the last two years, we're basically like

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Speaker 3: them eating actual social movements. It's you know, like they

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Speaker 3: it's it's them basically, like they're there. There's a sort

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Speaker 3: of rejuvenated anti abortion movement that they just sort of consume. Right,

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Speaker 3: They've been doing a very very good job of sort

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Speaker 3: of like eating like whatever sort of queer rights like

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Speaker 3: movements exist alive, and they had kind of stopped doing

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Speaker 3: that for a while because they chose to just like

547
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Speaker 3: destroy Occupy Whether rather than like try to co opt it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean there were reasons for that, right,

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Speaker 3: but like part of part of the thing like if

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Speaker 3: if you if if you're a Democrat and you want

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Speaker 3: to actually like win Texas, you need to have like

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Speaker 3: actual you to have actual sort of social movements that

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Speaker 3: you know, the Democrats can eventually take over and destroy.

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Speaker 3: But in the time between they destroy them, destroying them

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Speaker 3: and them, and you know, like like in the brief

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Speaker 3: time while they both exist and are controled by Democratic Party,

557
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Speaker 3: that's how you actually sort of like build the kinds

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Speaker 3: of the build the kinds of coalitions to build the

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Speaker 3: kinds of organization that win these races. And the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party has just no interest in doing that like almost

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Speaker 3: anywhere basically outside of Minnesota, where I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Those.

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Speaker 3: The Minnesota Dems are fucking built different. I don't, I don't,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't have another explanation for that, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's I don't know, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: It's like one of the things that you have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do at the local level is and this

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Speaker 1: is you know, this is a big factor in like,

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Speaker 1: uh politics in Georgia. You've got people who are motivated

572
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Speaker 1: because of a specific political issue that Dems are strong on,

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Speaker 1: like abortion, and you can you can get people registered,

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Speaker 1: you can get people out organizing, you can get people

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Speaker 1: donating money, and more most important that you can get

576
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Speaker 1: people votevoting and voting in numbers that they haven't before

577
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Speaker 1: and make if you're able to kind of harness that

578
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. But being able to harness that again,

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Speaker 1: part of it is this is not sexy. This is

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Speaker 1: not something we can say this is going to flip

581
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Speaker 1: a state in twenty twenty four. But putting in the

582
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Speaker 1: money and the resources to have people who are being

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Speaker 1: supported to go out and make attempts and to build

584
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Speaker 1: like a reputation and a base of support and networks

585
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Speaker 1: in the state, Like that's the non sexy thing that

586
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Speaker 1: the number one the Republicans are really good at. If

587
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Speaker 1: you're asking yourself, looking at all these horrible anti trans bills,

588
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Speaker 1: anti gay bills, anti abortion bills, how do they do

589
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: this well? Because church is organized at the local level

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Speaker 1: to build up the kind of support and the kind

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Speaker 1: of human infrastructure that allowed them to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: the kind of broader social trends that drove some of

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Speaker 1: those states more deeply read and that kind of like

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Speaker 1: made may did it possible for them to do things

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Speaker 1: that ten years before people had said, like there's no

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Speaker 1: way to make this happen. That can work on the

597
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Speaker 1: left side of things, but you have to have the

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Speaker 1: groundwork in They started.

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Speaker 7: With like school boards, Yeah, they started. They started with

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Speaker 7: going for school boards, going after books. Then you get

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Speaker 7: up basic people riled up that you can go after

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Speaker 7: healthcare for minors and you can go after health care

603
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Speaker 7: for adults. It was a very easy path and it

604
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Speaker 7: started by like going to the most accessible places to

605
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Speaker 7: have public comment on issues, which was complaining about books

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Speaker 7: inside of school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And another thing I'd say about the church thing is

609
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Speaker 3: like the thing that you used to do that for

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Speaker 3: the Democrats was unions, but then they destroyed them all.

611
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Speaker 3: And but you know, but like you can actually you

612
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Speaker 3: can actually see what this looks like like in the

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Speaker 3: places where something like this. This is why the state

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Speaker 3: level Midwest Dems are so much further to the left

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Speaker 3: than the Dems everywhere else, because like the people in Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: the people in Wisconsin are likely the only reason they're

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Speaker 3: even so remotely in power is because and you know,

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Speaker 3: you're seeing this, like it's at like in Chicago too,

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Speaker 3: with Brandon Johnson. Is that like those those people are

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Speaker 3: like functionally dependent on like that they're on their teachers

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Speaker 3: unions to exist as like a political coalision. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, like like union organizing is a is

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Speaker 3: a like we're just like fucking just giving money to

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Speaker 3: a strike fund is even even if the thing that

625
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Speaker 3: you want to do is win elections, that is a

626
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: more effective way of winning of winning elections than fucking

627
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Speaker 3: giving money to Beto Auroric like a seventh time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again when we the thing I want to

629
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Speaker 1: get across here is the right thing to do is

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Speaker 1: not say and no one is suggesting this here, fuck Texas,

631
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Speaker 1: it can never be fixed. The right thing is saying

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Speaker 1: if you're focused on one famous guy running in Texas

633
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Speaker 1: or this like top level thing of flipping Texas, you

634
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: don't actually care all that much about the problems being

635
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Speaker 1: faced by people in Texas because that's not really going

636
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Speaker 1: to fix them. Right, Beto's not going to win. And

637
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Speaker 1: even if Texas flips for an election action, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean the state legislature flips. It doesn't mean the governor flips.

639
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that things get better for people doing

640
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: these kind of bottom up approaches. Number one will eventually

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Speaker 1: flip the fucking state. Right, there is a demographic trend happening.

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Speaker 1: Part of how you flip the state, By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you're actually responsible, is like proving that you can

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Speaker 1: make people's lives better. If you want to flip the state,

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00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: that's maybe more ethical than just being like, what if

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Speaker 1: we dump one hundred and seventy million dollars to try

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Speaker 1: to make this guy who goes viral on YouTube or

648
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: Twitter sometimes look better? Right, maybe one of those is

649
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Speaker 1: more ethical than the other. Anyway, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: rant about electoralism anymore, but as a transplant in Texan,

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Speaker 1: I get frustrated by this. So I felt like we

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Speaker 1: had to say something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I also get frustrated by Better claiming to be punk,

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Speaker 6: which is the least punk thing in the fucking whether

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Speaker 6: that's a no repisode.

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Speaker 1: No, we have one. We have one elected who's gotten

657
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Speaker 1: anywhere close to being punk, and it was Bernie Sanders

658
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Speaker 1: when he when he got into that cold book depository

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Speaker 1: that November morning with the man liquor carcano rifle. Extremely

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Speaker 1: punk anyway, cutting the feed here.

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Speaker 11: Ah, oh yeah, it could happen here a podcast where

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Speaker 11: I just made my colleagues I can see them through

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Speaker 11: the zoom, deeply uncomfortable by opening this podcast with with.

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Speaker 1: With a sound that you shouldn't make in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. Joining me today is Mia Wong and

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis me. I take it from here.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, So it's been a you know, this is okay,

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Speaker 3: So this, I guess is now like last week's Twitter thing.

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Speaker 3: But okay, so also not this is this is? This

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Speaker 3: is not a Twitter thing? No, well it kind of is.

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Speaker 1: It kind of is, but like let's not let's not

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Speaker 1: friend this as a Twitter thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, so what this is? We we are okay,

674
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Speaker 3: we have been experiencing in the last you know, like

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Speaker 3: half decade actually belonging from that cause like this seven

676
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Speaker 3: eight years now, like the the sort of incredible rise

677
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: in casual American anti semitism and the level of anti

678
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: semitism that you could just do in in sort of

679
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: public discourse and it's quote unquote fine. And one of

680
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: the sort of biggest indicators of this is the like

681
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: the the extent to which it's now socially acceptable to

682
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Speaker 3: just do the most like absolutely like unhinged like antisemitic

683
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories about George Soros. And specifically the thing that

684
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Speaker 3: specifically was like, okay, need to do this episode was

685
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Speaker 3: last week Elon Musk like compared George Soros to Magneto

686
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: and then said, quote you assume they are good intentions.

687
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Speaker 3: They are not. He wants to erode the fabric, the

688
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Speaker 3: very fabric of civilization. Soros hates humanity. And this is

689
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Speaker 3: just like the mainstreamline of the Republican Party now like

690
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: they just all do this. You can just sort of,

691
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Speaker 3: I mean, and this is honestly like as bad, like

692
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Speaker 3: you know, this is like the stuff that Elon Musk

693
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: is saying is unbelievably unacceptable. That's not even anywhere near

694
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Speaker 3: as bad as it goes, Like it's pretty common to

695
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 3: just sho these people like talking about the Satan sorrows

696
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: agenda and shit. Now like it's it has gotten unbelievably,

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Speaker 3: unfathomably out of control. And so today I wanted to

698
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Speaker 3: take a look at, okay, who George Soros actually is,

699
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: like the real human being and not the sort of

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Speaker 3: like caricature projection that has been created of him on

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Speaker 3: the right. And I wanted to also sort of look

702
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Speaker 3: at why the right hates him so much. And you know,

703
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Speaker 3: Soros is kind an interesting figure because he falls like

704
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Speaker 3: right in the middle of like our two shows about people,

705
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: because he's not he's not really like a cool person.

706
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: He does cool stuff, but though he does stuff that's

707
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 3: cool sometimes, but he's not also like a bastard properly.

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Speaker 1: So though he's done some bastardy stuff too, he has.

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Speaker 3: We are going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: He said, he's a Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Most of what this episode is about, he's.

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Speaker 1: I would say he's like twenty percent more complicated than

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Speaker 1: the average billionaire on a on.

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Speaker 3: A morel yeah, I think I think like twenty or

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Speaker 3: thirty percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's somewhere in that neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I think there's three George Soros's.

718
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Speaker 3: Two of them are real and one of them is fake.

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Speaker 3: There is you know. So George Soros is a billionaire philanthropist, right,

720
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Speaker 3: and you know, so that means that he has a

721
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Speaker 3: sort of billionaire side and a philanthropist's side, and they

722
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Speaker 3: are very often working across purposes. Sometimes they're not working.

723
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes there he aligns them together, sometimes he doesn't. And

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Speaker 3: so the way I've sort of structured this is like

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Speaker 3: the first episode we're gonna be talking about the sort

726
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Speaker 3: of billionaire side and how he did that, and the

727
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Speaker 3: second episode is going to be more about the philanthropist's

728
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Speaker 3: side and how both of these basically have been kind

729
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Speaker 3: of accidentally structured in such a way that the right

730
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Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, this is the perfect guy

731
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Speaker 3: to do atise medic conspiracy theories about. And then there's

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Speaker 3: also the third George Soros is like the one who's

733
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Speaker 3: just literally the devil who the Republicans have made up

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Speaker 3: and yeah, so George Soros was born to a Jewish

735
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Speaker 3: family in Hungary in nineteen thirty, which is not a

736
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Speaker 3: good time to be born into a Jewish family in Hungary.

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Speaker 1: No, really, there's not a good time to be born

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Speaker 1: to a Jewish and family in Hungary until like I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get I'm gonna say, sometime in the fifties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I will say that it gets way

741
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Speaker 3: like it. It is way worse when he is born

742
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Speaker 3: than it was in like even like the eighteen nineties,

743
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Speaker 3: which is like not a great time, but it's gotten

744
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Speaker 3: significantly worse. He is fourteen when the Nazis invade Hungary

745
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Speaker 3: nineteen forty four, and this is the point at which

746
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Speaker 3: we get to our first Soros conspiracy, which is that

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Speaker 3: there's this, there's this.

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Speaker 1: It's a little more complicated than that. It's not really

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Speaker 1: the Nazis. Well, it's a little more complex than yea,

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Speaker 1: when the extermination of the Hungarian Jewish community begins, really

751
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Speaker 1: in nineteen forty four, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so there's a thing that happens. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He and his dad have a kind of complicated like

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Speaker 3: set of things they survive, and there's a part of

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00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: the story that gets picked up by the right that

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Speaker 3: gets If you've ever heard Alex Jones talk about Sorows,

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Speaker 3: like the second or third thing he will say is

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Speaker 3: that like Soros Nazi collaborator, was like a willing collaborator

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Speaker 3: with the.

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Speaker 1: Nazis, which is not true.

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Speaker 3: And also like he's fourteen, like you know, but like

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Speaker 3: I don't really call even like fourteen year olds and

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Speaker 3: the Hitler youth willing collaborators because they're children. Yeah, you

764
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Speaker 3: have to have a lion at some point, even with

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Speaker 3: Nazis where if their kids, they're not really morally responsible

766
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: either way. Yeah, and like you know, so the specific

767
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: thing that he does is there's these notices that are

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Speaker 3: sent up by the government that's like telling Jewish people

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Speaker 3: to like go like to a place and if you

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Speaker 3: go to the place, you're gonna get routed up and killed.

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Speaker 3: And basically, so the thing that actually happened is that

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Speaker 3: so George Ros's dad is told to do this and

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Speaker 3: he gives it to George Rosen is like go tell

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Speaker 3: these people that they've been called for this and that

775
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Speaker 3: if they go, they're like they're gonna get taken away.

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Speaker 3: And this has been transformed by you know this that is,

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Speaker 3: this is a nightmarish thing these people are spiving. This

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00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: has been transformed by a bunch of the worst people

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Speaker 3: ever lived into Nazi collaboration, which is also you know,

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Speaker 3: the part of the story that never gets told, even

781
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: even when people sort of like do the like dive

782
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Speaker 3: into like oh this is fake. Is that the thing

783
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Speaker 3: that like Soros's family spends the rest of the war

784
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: doing is basically getting like counterfeit papers to Jewish families

785
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Speaker 3: that like says that they're Christian, and you know they

786
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: like they they legitimately save a bunch of families from

787
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Speaker 3: dying in the Holocaust, and yeh.

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Speaker 1: Know, the shit that Jones pulls on them is like

789
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Speaker 1: part of this because of like the job this guy

790
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: who's like saving young George Soros has involves like basically

791
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: like itemizing stuff left behind by Jewish families forced out

792
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: of their homes. He's like they were profiting off of

793
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: the holl No, they were like doing whatever job kept

794
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: them under the radar while they attempted to help. Like

795
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: it was the Holocaust. It was messy. Yeah, but like

796
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like saying like Oscar Schindler took advantage of

797
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: slave labors. Well, no, it's actually what Schindler was doing.

798
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Speaker 1: It was not that, Yeah, like he was you the

799
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Speaker 1: trappings of this slave labor system in order to rescue people.

800
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Speaker 1: It's quite different from just enslaving people.

801
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the thing that's really disturbing about this though,

802
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: right is like, Okay, like this is like Alex Jones

803
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: is Alex Jones, Right, He's just gonna say the worst

804
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: shit you've ever heard. But like this is like a

805
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: thing that mainstream right wingers just say now, yeah, and

806
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: it's just unbelievably horrible and it sucks and it's just

807
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: like not true. But fortunately for George Soros, his family

808
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: makes it through the Holocaust, well his immediate family does,

809
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: and they like get out and they end up in

810
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: the US. And this is where, Okay, this is something

811
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: that I think is very important to the story that

812
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: isn't told very much. So Soros is like a finance whiz, right,

813
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: he is very, very very good at finance. And we're

814
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: gonna be talking a bit about like how like the

815
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: things that he figured out to let him do this,

816
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: because it's interesting. But he's also not from the sort

817
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Speaker 3: of like American or the British financial elite, Like if

818
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: I don't there's like a certain kind of person, right

819
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: who like goes into finance and you know, it's like

820
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Speaker 3: like like wasp frat Brose or like in bred British aristocrats, right,

821
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Speaker 3: and door Soros is like a hung is a Hungarian immigrant, right.

822
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Speaker 3: He is not sort of from these people. He is

823
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: like and and you know this is this is gonna

824
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Speaker 3: be a really big deal when he like goes up

825
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: against the British financial elite later on. But you know,

826
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Speaker 3: he he he threw sort of like he's able to

827
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Speaker 3: turn like a job doing door to door salesman into

828
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Speaker 3: like a way into a firm, and he's able to

829
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Speaker 3: sort of work his way up to a point where

830
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Speaker 3: like he has suddenly like has his own hedge fund

831
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Speaker 3: and he is really really good at this. He's he's

832
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Speaker 3: one of the sort of early people who does hedge funds.

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Speaker 3: There's a great book called The Influence of Soros, Politics, Power,

834
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Speaker 3: and the Struggle for an Open Society by Emily Tempkin,

835
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Speaker 3: who did a lot of really great work like interviewed Soros,

836
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Speaker 3: interviewed an enormous number of the people who were around him.

837
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Speaker 3: And I want to read a passage of this about

838
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Speaker 3: like how he figured out how to sort of beat

839
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Speaker 3: the market. He's talking about this guy named Carl Popper,

840
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: who's like a philosopher of science who also wrote this

841
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: book called The Open Society that we'll talk about next episode.

842
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Speaker 1: More.

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Speaker 3: Popper's philosophy made me more sensitive to the role of

844
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Speaker 3: misconceptions in financial markets, Soros said decades later. People believe

845
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Speaker 3: that markets don't lie and shouldn't be and should be trusted.

846
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Speaker 3: But that isn't true. Sorrow's knew markets react to humans,

847
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: and humans are fallible. Instead of looking at the money

848
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Speaker 3: being made, or as Sebastian Mallaby put it, in more

849
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Speaker 3: Money than God, his book on the history of hedge funds,

850
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Speaker 3: the Psychology that drove investors appetites, Soros looked at how

851
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: one impacted the other, predicting that each would drive the

852
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: other forward until the trust were so completely overvalued that

853
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: a crash was inevitable. And this is really like if

854
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: you even today, right, you know, if you're able to

855
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: understand that, you know, like the way a lot of

856
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: hedgephoon people tend to think about the market is as

857
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 3: like the market, you know, especially in this period, is

858
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: this is this sort of dogmatic, neo lible thing of

859
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: like the market is like a perfect codvance of price signals,

860
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: and so I was just like no, it's made out

861
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: of people. And those people like get greedy. They have

862
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 3: emotional stuff they like they get into these like fomo

863
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: like fear of missing out stuff. You know, they like

864
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: intensely overvalue assets because everyone else sees the assets like expensive,

865
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Speaker 3: so everyone like you know, rushes to buy it, and

866
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Speaker 3: like this is something like like even now right, this

867
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: is this is like a very smart way to understand finance.

868
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: She's figured this out in like the seventies. And if you,

869
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: if you, if you're able to do this kind of

870
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: stuff and like use this to understand how the market

871
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: works in the seventies, you are going to look like

872
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: a god among men. And he starts a hedgephone in

873
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, but by nineteen eighty one he has

874
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: a fun that is worth three hundred and eighty one

875
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: million dollars in like nineteen eighty one money. I don't

876
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 3: know what that is in modern money, but I assume

877
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: it's a lot. I'm a hack of a fraud. I

878
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: should have actually figured this out.

879
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like a billion dollars.

880
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like he personally is like has like for

881
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: himself like one hundred million dollars right, and he you know,

882
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: at this point, he starts to become sort of very

883
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: famous in finance circles because you know, I mean he's

884
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: just like absolutely destroying the market. Now, okay, this is

885
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: where things get. You know, up until this point, he's

886
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: kind of like he's been doing a lot of sort

887
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: of finance stuff that's kind of shady, but it's mostly

888
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: just been him like ripping off other finance people, which

889
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm entirely okay with, like that's just very funny. But

890
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: he starts to get into currency speculation, and in nineteen

891
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 3: eighty five he has one of his big breaks, which

892
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: is he predicts the plaza cords. Now, okay, the Plaza

893
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: cord is something we've talked about on the show before,

894
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: but I need to talk about it a bit more

895
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: because unfortunately it's we have to talk about the Asian

896
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: financial collaps this episode. And this is a like one

897
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: of the key moments of the Asian financial collabs, even

898
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: though it was like a decade earlier. So in nineteen

899
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: eighty five, Ronald Reagan is trying to like revive the

900
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: US as a domestic manufacturing industry because it's like dying,

901
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: and you know the reason part of the like a

902
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: big part of the reason is dying is that they're

903
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: getting absolutely destroyed by sort of German and like West

904
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: German and Japanese manufacturers. And part of what's happening here

905
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: is that particularly Japan's currencies are worth way currency is

906
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: worth way less than the dollar. This is called having

907
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: a weak currency, and having a weak currency is really

908
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: good for if you have like an export based manufacturing economy.

909
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: And so Reagan basically like walks into a meeting with

910
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: like the Germans, Japanese government, the British, like few other

911
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: people and just basically just like not quite in so

912
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: many words, but basically just says like you are all

913
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: American military protectorates, and because you're all American military protecs,

914
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: like I can I can force you to increase the

915
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: value of your currency like or else capital O, capital e.

916
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: And they do. They comply, and this is this, this

917
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: becomes this is a thing called the Plaza Cords. And

918
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: this this, you know, weakens the value of the dollar

919
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: versus a bunch of other currencies. And this like literally

920
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: single handedly like restores the profitability of American manufacturing like

921
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: through the nineties, which is really wild, but the the

922
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: other the important thing for this story is that I

923
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 3: I don't know how he did this, but like George

924
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: Soros predicts that this is gonna happen, and she makes

925
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: an unbelievable amount of money basically like no, no, like

926
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: basically do in currency speculation because he knows what, like

927
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: currencies are going to increase in value, which you know,

928
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: he knows that, like uh, for example, he knows that,

929
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: like the Japanese yen is going to increase in value.

930
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: So he makes an enormous amount of money doing this stuff,

931
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: and he gets very famous for like he'll like make

932
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: it much of money, and then it'll lose it again

933
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: and and then he'll make it again. And this all

934
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: culminates in okay, so they're they're okay. He starts taking

935
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: a truly enormous bets, like against national currencies, and there's

936
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: one of these that's just funny, and there's one of

937
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: these that's really bad. So we're gonna do the funny

938
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: one first, which is so in nineteen ninety two Soros

939
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: And this is the other part that they ever got

940
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: talked about. It's like it's not just Soros doing this stuff.

941
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: He has like allies because like as big as Soros

942
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: for NBA is right, he can't him and his ally

943
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: is gonna take a fifteen billion dollars short position on

944
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: the pound. And even he doesn't have like nobody like

945
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: this is like fifteen billion of nineteen nineties money, right,

946
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 3: Like you need a bunch of firms working together in

947
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: order to do this. But he basically takes this massive

948
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: bet the pound is gonna go down, and because of

949
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: the way that these these bets work, like the actual

950
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: value of the pounds like collapses and the British Central

951
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Bank like like doesn't have enough thing. The reason we're

952
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: able to do is they figure out that the Birtis

953
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: Central Bank doesn't have enough money to stop them, like

954
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: they don't have enough money to like maintain like they

955
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: don't have enough reserves to like maintain the value of

956
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: the pound. And so he gets like completely blamed for this,

957
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: even though again there's like other people involved in this, right,

958
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: Like the front page of the Daily Mail is literally

959
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: his face in the title I made a billion crashing

960
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: the pound baste, which is I okay, so like an

961
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: anti British level, this is very funny. It's no, there's

962
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of arguments about like what does this mean

963
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: for like the world economy and for national sovereignty. Soros

964
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: thinks that like currency speculation is necessary evil and he he.

965
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: Has this sort of seem to think that when you're

966
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: making that much money, yeah right.

967
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 12: You know it's now okay, this this like specific thing

968
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 12: which is like a a a bank a banker comes

969
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 12: in and is able to manipulate the value of a currency.

970
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: This is like this is like absolutely like this is

971
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: the fodder for like the absolute most paranoid fantasies of

972
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: the anti Semitic right. Like it's this sort of like

973
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: rootless cosmopolitan banker like attacks the good and righteous like

974
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: noble people of Britain thing, And this is how it

975
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: gets framed in the press, who are like the press

976
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: is I mean it's the British press, right, Like the

977
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: British are not known for, you know, not being anti Semitic,

978
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: and so they just like go wild with this. But

979
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: you know, like this particular thing he's doing against the British.

980
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: Part of what's happening here, right is there's this sort

981
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: of there's this kind of like national populist equation thing

982
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 3: going on here where there's this assumption that like the

983
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: Bank of Britain, like the bank, like the British Central

984
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: Bank is like an entity that is identifiable with like

985
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: an ordinary person in Britain, and like no, like the

986
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: the Retis Central Brank is run by just unbelievably and

987
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: bred aristocrats, right.

988
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I think they're pretty believably in bread.

989
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 3: That's fair.

990
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just talking about like like zero point five

991
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: six of a Habsburg unit. You know, I have the

992
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: Habsburg is the international unit for measuring how inbred someone is.

993
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: If you're if you're unaware.

994
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, that seems that seems like a reasonable

995
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: amount of inbread for these specific people. But you know,

996
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: like but this is what I was talking about, Like

997
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: at the very beginning, I was talking about sort of

998
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: like sorrow's not being from this sort of like normal

999
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: class of finance people. And the thing is, like the

1000
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 3: normal class of finance people are fucking terrible at their jobs, right,

1001
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: like these amber British aristocrats and like the fucking American

1002
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: like cocaine frat boys, like like just like doing lines

1003
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: of cocane off each other's as cracks. Like these people

1004
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: all suck at their jobs. And George Soros is like

1005
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: smart and is good at his job, and so she

1006
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: just like absolutely goes through these people like a fucking

1007
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 3: flaming chainsaw, and she just like, you know, and the

1008
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: maneuvers that he's doing here, she just like absolutely humiliates

1009
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: all of the people at the at the at the

1010
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: British Central Bank. He's humiliating, like and not just those

1011
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: guys too, it's humiliating the Tories, it's humiliating like all

1012
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: of the people who are seriously important in the real economy,

1013
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: in the sort of real British economy. And he can

1014
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: do this right because like his opponents are you know,

1015
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: people who are like they're they're they're promoting they're like

1016
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: they're they're they're okay, they take in like their people

1017
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: from college, right, and they're promoting the base off how

1018
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: good they are at golf. And so when she just

1019
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 3: sort of like cut like walks in and just makes

1020
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: it like makes like billions of dollars just like destroying

1021
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: these people, he makes just a permanent enemy of a

1022
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: very very powerful like faction of the British ruling class,

1023
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 3: and the British ruling class, like I don't know, they

1024
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 3: they It is hard to fight people who will beat

1025
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: the British ruling class and an anti semitism off. And

1026
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: this is this is one of the things that sort

1027
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: of you know, if you're looking at like why Sorrow

1028
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: specifically is the guy who all of these sort of

1029
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: right wing conspiracies wind up being about, Like part of

1030
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: it is because he pisses off these specific people.

1031
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys who's like dads were all friends with

1032
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: the King of England, who was like a close personal

1033
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: buddy with Hitler. Like there it's a bunch of like

1034
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of guys who are already pretty bigoted

1035
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: and then they get beaten at their own stupid financial game.

1036
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: And so like the fact that it's a Jewish dude

1037
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: who does it means that they're going to be even

1038
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: more racist than they already were. And the fact that

1039
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: there's plenty of international anti semitism and that George Soros

1040
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: after this starts funding liberal and you know, vaguely progressive causes,

1041
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's not this is not a it's not

1042
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: surprising that this is the way things went.

1043
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and again, like I can't under

1044
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: emphasize the extent to which this is also very specifically

1045
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: the reaction to the British media class. Who I mean,

1046
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: we know now that those people are psychos, Like we

1047
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: have seen them see a transperson at a boat race

1048
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 3: and like like ten years ago and like like draw

1049
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: a giant things circling them in a boat and making

1050
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: it a front page news story. Those people in the nineties.

1051
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 7: Were like, sure, they are biological biologically better at navigation,

1052
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 7: that is that has actually been been proven.

1053
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then they're like justice, they're they're they're just

1054
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: a sort of feral and like terrifying lead bigoted then

1055
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: as they are now. And this means that like like

1056
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: just if you're a regular British person and you are

1057
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 3: like walking down the street and there's a newspaper sand

1058
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: you are seeing like like they truly unbelievably terrifying anti

1059
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: Semitic shit, like just literally everywhere. And this this will

1060
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: have no consequence, which is whatsoever? Yeah, it's all good,

1061
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: nothing bad ever happens. And speaking of no consequences, do

1062
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: you know what we can promise about about training services?

1063
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: Twenty three minutes.

1064
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: In you know, look, you're welcome, Daniel.

1065
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back. We have to talk about Okay, so

1066
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: the doing it to the British economy was mostly just

1067
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: really funny because the British economy is going to be fine.

1068
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: And it's the funny part about shed H doing it

1069
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: of the British economy is that this actually unfortunately helps

1070
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 3: the British economy because it forces the British to like

1071
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: abandon some truly spectacularly not very good financial policy they

1072
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: were doing. But then he does it to Thailand and

1073
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: that is a lot less justifiable. So it in this

1074
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: is five years later, is nineteen ninety seven. Sous brings

1075
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: in some economists, Arminio Fraga, like Roddy Joe's David Kowitz,

1076
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: he brings He's bringing in people who are sort of

1077
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: experts in like developing market economics, and that's never no

1078
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 3: one has ever brought in a developing market economist for

1079
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: like a good reason. And what they what they realize

1080
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: is that they start doing analysis of Southeast Asia, like

1081
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: the Southeast Asian markets, and they realize very quickly that

1082
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: Thailand is fucked. They they figure out that Thailand has

1083
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: Thailand has his currency pegged to the dollar and this,

1084
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: but you know, they don't have the reserves support this,

1085
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: and the tie like actual Tai currency isn't strong enough

1086
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: to maintain like stay being pegged to the dollars. It's

1087
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: not a strong enough currency, and so they do a

1088
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: two billion dollars short of of like Thailand's currency. And

1089
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna read from the Influence of Sorrows

1090
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: again about like the process of this. It was a

1091
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: debate we had. Jones told me we'd gone to work

1092
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: in Asia, and here you are taking large scale short

1093
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: positions in countries with institutional fragility. Going for the juggular

1094
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom was one thing doing the same,

1095
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: and Thailand was another. The Bank of England would surely recover.

1096
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: Thailand was a developing economy and it was unclear what

1097
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: impact outside investors could have. Soros has justified speculation with

1098
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: the idea that it could serve as a kind of

1099
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: warning to governments. Look, Thai government, the bot needs to devalue.

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Speaker 3: Change your policy now before a currency collapses, devastating for

1101
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: your people. The trouble is the Thai government didn't do this. Instead,

1102
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: it spent months using Bank of Thailand reserves to buy

1103
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: tai bot. When it finally ran out in early summer

1104
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, the value of the bot plunged thirty

1105
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: two percent against the dollars, and millions of people lost

1106
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: Thai people lost their livelihoods. The Soros fund seven hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit like me being like, look, yes,

1109
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: I made a lot of money selling Heroin to those

1110
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: middle schoolers, but really, when you think about it, it

1111
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: was a warning to those schools that it was too

1112
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: easy for me to bribe the janitor to sell Heroin

1113
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Speaker 1: to kids.

1114
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Speaker 3: There.

1115
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, I was actually performing a public service.

1116
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: So true, Robert, it is just like that, you know,

1117
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: to be fair, you know, I'm not going to every money.

1118
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm not going to finish that thought.

1119
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: That's probably for the best. Yeah, we need we need

1120
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Speaker 1: one person to remain uncanceled here to keep the lights on.

1121
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: Oh god, doesn't have to be me.

1122
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, no, legally it does.

1123
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Speaker 3: It's really bad. Yeah, no more joking, but yeah, we can't.

1124
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: We can't suffer any other jokes.

1125
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Speaker 1: Yes, somebody's got to upload this episode.

1126
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Speaker 3: All right here here, here, here's the next joke. Soros

1127
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: actually doesn't make money off of the speculation. If off

1128
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: of a speculating in Southeast Asia because he loses basically

1129
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: the same amount of money taking like a long position

1130
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Speaker 3: in Indonesia.

1131
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same thing happened to me when I took

1132
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: a long position on doing cocaine in my bathroom with

1133
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: the money that I made selling drugs to all those kids.

1134
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, we're a lot alike him and me, we're

1135
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot of like, well.

1136
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Speaker 3: Okay, to be fair, to be fair, and this is okay,

1137
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: this is the thing I I The reason I wanted

1138
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: to talk about this specifically is that, like, okay, like

1139
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: to this day, if you look under sort of if

1140
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 3: you if you every once in a while, someone someone,

1141
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: there'll be a tweet that's like, like, what did George

1142
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: Sorrows do? And immediately there will be a bunch of

1143
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: people talking about how he like deliberately destroyed all of

1144
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 3: the economies in Southeast Asia. Yeah, and that's not really

1145
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: what happened.

1146
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: And that would be for one thing, too much to

1147
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: put on one guy fucking around with a cup.

1148
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I wanted to actually kind of walk

1149
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: through this a little bit in depth, just because Okay,

1150
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: there's a really really easy way to think about the

1151
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: economy that is bad. It leads you into anti Semitic traps,

1152
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: which is like, hey, here is like one banker who

1153
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: wanted to make money, and because he wanted to make money,

1154
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: he like destroyed all these economies. And like, on the

1155
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: one hand, yeah, like like sorrow is vetting against like

1156
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: the tai currency is bad, right, like this is this

1157
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: is not a thing you should have been doing. On

1158
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: the other hand, you know, Okay, so that's like the

1159
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: sort of level one thing. But the thing about you know,

1160
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: this is the sort of this is the sort of

1161
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: like great Man anti anti Semitism theory of collapse. And

1162
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: this is the theory that a lot of the sort

1163
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: of regional leaders take, you know, because and this and

1164
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: this is sort of a crucial thing, right, this position

1165
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: very conveniently allows them to just like not think about

1166
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: capitalism in general or like their role in this in

1167
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 3: this crisis, which is not insignificance. And so in order

1168
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: to figure out what what actually happened here, we need

1169
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 3: to look at so so Sorow sort of like tip

1170
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: like tip some don dominos, right, but the dominoes were

1171
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: already there and they were going like regardless even if

1172
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: Soros had never existed, right, like they were going to

1173
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 3: fall and they were going to fall because ironically of

1174
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: the Plaza coords. So you know when we talked about

1175
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: the plaza courts earlier. The US forces Japan to increase

1176
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: the value of its currency relative for the dollar. Okay,

1177
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 3: so this is great for the American economy. This nukes

1178
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: the Japanese economy, I mean the Japanese economy, you know.

1179
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about this in a bit too. It

1180
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: was already kind of doing bad when the US does

1181
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: this and its manufactured economy just like implodes it. It

1182
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: gots the Japanese economy. It has. The Japanese economy has

1183
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: never recovered from this. It probably will never recover really

1184
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: into what it was. And you know, the effect this

1185
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: has is that now the governments of Japan has to

1186
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: figure out how to grow their economy without having any

1187
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 3: like way to make money that grows your economy. But

1188
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: and now they have a stronger currency. And so their

1189
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: solution is, okay, what what did they all all the

1190
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: central bank people look around each other and they go,

1191
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: what is a strong currency good for housing speculation? And

1192
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: so they they start like they start they start slashing

1193
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: interest race and they start basically building an entire economy,

1194
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: uh based on the assumption that housing prices will always

1195
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 3: go up, and so you should just take out loans

1196
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: so you could buy houses because the value of the

1197
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: housing will because housing prices will always go up, so

1198
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 3: you can you can have all of these assets based

1199
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 3: on mortgages. This is this may may or may not

1200
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: be sounding familiar to everyone who lid you thousand.

1201
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: And eight.

1202
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 3: And so you know, in in like in like nineteen

1203
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: eighty two, the entire Japanese economy implodes sort of again

1204
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: because they they literally built the two thousand and eight machine.

1205
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: And so this this forces the US to do something

1206
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: called the reverse Plaza cords where they take the original

1207
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 3: Plaza records and they reverse it and they increase the

1208
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 3: value of the American dollar. American manufactory dies like it's

1209
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: never recovered, it's never coming back. And this for a

1210
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: this kind of the stabilizes the Japanese economy a little bit,

1211
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: but it means that the US now no longer has

1212
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: a functional economy. And so we do our solution to

1213
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: this is we need two thousand and eight, right, we

1214
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: build an entire economy also on the Japanese model of

1215
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: currency speculat of you know, of like housing price speculation,

1216
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: craculation of like or like the rising prices of like stocks. Right,

1217
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: we we build an economy completely made a bullshit. But

1218
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, okay, but what does this have to do

1219
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: with the Asian market collaps? Okay? The problem is that

1220
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: like all of the countries in East Asia and like

1221
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: Southeast Asia also do this. They also do the thing

1222
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: where they're like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna

1223
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 3: ba We're okay, so our manufacturing economies are declining, right,

1224
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: so we're gonna we're gonna base our entire economy on

1225
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: housing prices going up. And you know that's and it's

1226
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: not George Soros. That's the thing that actually destroys like

1227
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: the sort of that that's something that like that like

1228
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: actually destroy all of these economies. And you know, and

1229
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to sort of run through this, and you know,

1230
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: this is like a lot of like sort of econ shit, right,

1231
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: But the reason I wanted to run through this is

1232
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 3: that I think I think he gets at the sort

1233
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: of truly the truly horrifying thing about how our economy

1234
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: works that is really difficult to face, and is I

1235
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 3: think it's at least a part of why people really

1236
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: really want there to just be one guy who is

1237
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 3: running anything everything, whether that's the CIA, whether that's Soros,

1238
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: whether that's like the New World Order. Yeah, right, because

1239
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: if there's if there's like a guy who's doing this, right,

1240
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: you can stop him. But the great horror of this

1241
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: world is that there is no deep state, right, there

1242
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: is no Satanis cabal, There's no one pulling the strings

1243
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: at all. The only thing that is there is just

1244
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: sort of the cold, lifeless and inexorable death logic of capital.

1245
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 3: And that logic is moving all of us, right all

1246
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: you know, the people who are doing that can conspiracies

1247
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: insofar as they exist, are being moved by this. All

1248
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 3: of the rulers are being moved by capital. All of us,

1249
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 3: the subjects, are being moved by capital. But that like sucks, right,

1250
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 3: Like the fact that all of these economies are destroyed

1251
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 3: not by like the individual actions of people, but by

1252
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: the fact that, like returns are less good in Thailand

1253
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: than they are in China. And this is just sort

1254
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: of the inectable logic of the entire economic system we have.

1255
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: This is, you know, this is absolutely terrifying and faced

1256
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: with this sort of reality, right, like people who want

1257
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: to protect capitalism because you know, they have a bunch

1258
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 3: of assets in it, right, retreat into this sort of

1259
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: like they you know, they they they use Soros as

1260
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: a smoke screen for like why everything is suddenly going wrong.

1261
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: But sort of simultaneous to this, right, this is also

1262
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 3: a real problem for George Soros because he's like, you know,

1263
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 3: when he's not sort of in his role as like

1264
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: capital he's like not a piece of shit. He's like

1265
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: a person who wants the world to be better. And this,

1266
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: you know, this causes a sort of there was a

1267
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: contradiction in his ideology, right, which is that he wants

1268
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 3: the world to be a better place, and simultaneously he's

1269
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: also a capitalist, and these two things are sort of

1270
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: warring with each other. Even as early as even as

1271
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 3: early sort of the nineties, he's giving speeches about how

1272
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 3: like his open society that he wants. It's a sort

1273
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: of like this liberal democratic society of like laws and

1274
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 3: norms and human rights. The greatest danger twitter ceased to

1275
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: be communism, it's now capitalism. But he can't do anything

1276
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 3: about it because he is also a capitalist. And next

1277
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 3: episode we are going to watch Soros like through his

1278
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 3: philanthropic endeavors, attempt to solve the problems that his economic

1279
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: system has caused, and fail catastrophically and become the sort

1280
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: of boogeyman and the the anti Sivdic spector of every

1281
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory the world.

1282
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so check out that next time. And you know,

1283
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: if you're hanging out around Clark Middle School and you

1284
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: have forty dollars, I can hook you up with some

1285
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: some of that sweet black tar, so you know, give

1286
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: me a ring. My phone numbers posted in the show

1287
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: notes of every episode.

1288
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: It's it could happen here the podcast where I attempt

1289
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: to wrangle jokes that are enough okay that we keep podcasting. Yeah,

1290
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Speaker 3: with me here to wrangle Robert Evans and also Karrison Davis. Welcome,

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Speaker 3: Welcome by Eck.

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Speaker 1: My two uses in this series are to make corrections

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Speaker 1: on Hungarian history of the Holocaust and talk about selling

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Speaker 1: Heroin to children. So proud to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited. You're gonna hear me complain. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: get to listen to me very briefly complain about Plato,

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Speaker 3: a thing I did not think I was gonna do

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Speaker 3: when I started.

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Speaker 1: This like the like the philosophy guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right, okay, so all right,

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Speaker 3: why why are we eventually going to talk about Plato?

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Speaker 3: So George Soros is probably best known for a foundation

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Speaker 3: that he eventually funds called Open Society that was visually

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Speaker 3: the Soros Foundation. Then he was like, why am I

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Speaker 3: naming this after myself? And it changed to Open Society.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read, so the Open Society is a

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Speaker 3: very sort.

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Speaker 1: Of again, I gotta say, exactly twenty percent more self

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Speaker 1: awareness than you get from the average billionaire. Like Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates is like, well call it the Gatespell Foundation. Sourus

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Speaker 1: is like, well call it the Soros you know wait,

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Speaker 1: wait you know, no, you know what?

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Speaker 3: Well, And to be fair, like Soros has Sorros has

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Speaker 3: a real ideology and it it can't work, but if

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Speaker 3: it did, the world wouldn't be that bad, Unlike unlike

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Speaker 3: what would happen if you let Bill Gates run rampant

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Speaker 3: over the earth, which is the world we live in

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Speaker 3: right now. So I'm going to read a little bit

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Speaker 3: from the influence Soros again about like what the Open

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Speaker 3: Society is. I have lived through Nazi persecution and Soviet occupations.

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Speaker 3: Soros later said, Popper's book is Carl Popper Open Society

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Speaker 3: and His Enemies struck me with the force of revelation.

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Speaker 3: It showed that fascism and communism have a lot in common,

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Speaker 3: that they both stand in opposition to a different principle

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Speaker 3: of social organization, the principle of open society. So okay,

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Speaker 3: I I read this, and I was like, okay, so

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Speaker 3: let's go, let's go. Let's go read Carl Poppers's book,

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Speaker 3: which is called The Open Society Enemies. And so I assumed, right,

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Speaker 3: that's interesting me.

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Speaker 1: I was also doing poppers last night.

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Speaker 3: You had to suppear your experience with your poppers. I'm

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Speaker 3: assuming I had a bad fucking time. I read this

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Speaker 3: like last week.

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Speaker 1: She got mears from a gas station too, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, instead I got it from the internet for free,

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Speaker 3: which questionable results. So okay, so I read this book, right,

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Speaker 3: So this is Karl Popper is like normally a philosopher. Well,

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Speaker 3: he's like a scientist, right, He's most famous for philosophy

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Speaker 3: of science stuff. But he also wrote this book, and

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Speaker 3: this is his critique of totalitarianism. So okay, I'm expecting, right,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be half of it's gonna be about

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Speaker 3: the Nazis and half of it's going to be about

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Speaker 3: the communist right. No, the first half of this book

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Speaker 3: is about Plato and the second half of this book

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Speaker 3: is about Borks. But he spends like two hundred ages

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Speaker 3: yelling at Plato. And to be fair, everything he says

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Speaker 3: about Plato and about why Plato is totalitarian is completely true.

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Speaker 3: But like his conclusion about what totalitarianism is is that

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Speaker 3: totalitarianism is descendant. It's like the product of this thing

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Speaker 3: he calls historicism, which is when like you have one

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Speaker 3: thing that's the agent of history. And so he sees

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Speaker 3: like like I don't know, like a great man or

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Speaker 3: like the guy like whatever hegel's geist, or like one

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Speaker 3: great nation or like a great class as like those

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Speaker 3: are all examples of historicism. And if you think about

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Speaker 3: history like this, you will this is how totalitarianism is born.

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Speaker 3: And I am incredibly skeptical of that, of the view

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Speaker 3: of the way you look think about history being the

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Speaker 3: origin of totalitarianism. I I don't know. It's it's a

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Speaker 3: very very weird book. In a lot of ways. Poper

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Speaker 3: is trying to do this thing that like a lot

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Speaker 3: of kind of liberal philosophers of that period is doing,

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Speaker 3: which is that she's trying to reconcile sort of like

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Speaker 3: individual freedom but then also sort of economic calitarianism. And

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Speaker 3: you know, okay, so if you were actually serious about

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Speaker 3: doing both of these things right, like the two things

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Speaker 3: you care about on earth are protecting individual freedom and

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Speaker 3: achieving economic calitarianism, you have two options. You either become

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Speaker 3: an anarchist and you sacrifice neither of your values, or

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Speaker 3: you become a neoliberal and you sacrifice both. And Popper

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Speaker 3: unfortunately takes a second route.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: the conflict between kind of like reconciling you know, the

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Speaker 1: Great Man theory of history with some of these other

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Speaker 1: like it comes out of an unwillingness to look at

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Speaker 1: systems of power, because the extent to which like individual

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Speaker 1: weirdos and their obsessions influence history is largely due to

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Speaker 1: or is largely like related to the degree of power

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Speaker 1: that like different systems allow to be invested into like

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Speaker 1: individual weirdos. Like it's it's less a matter of like

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Speaker 1: you've got these sort of you know, in that kind

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Speaker 1: of fascist idea, you've got these sort of individuals who

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Speaker 1: embody the spirit of a people. And more, if your

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Speaker 1: system allows huge amounts of power to be invested in

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Speaker 1: individual people with their weird hang ups, than those weird

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Speaker 1: hang ups of this one guy may wind up defining history.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, this is this this is an unrelated ram.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I think it is related because this this

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Speaker 3: is sort of the core flaw of this ideology, which

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Speaker 3: is that these people conclude okay, so like they don't

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Speaker 3: okay the thing that they have to do, like pop

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Speaker 3: rass to do right, because he like acknowledges that a

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Speaker 3: lot of the Marxist critique is really powerful and that

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Speaker 3: like it is in fact not very good that you

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Speaker 3: have an entire class of people to like survive off

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Speaker 3: of extracting like labor from another class of people. But

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Speaker 3: you know, if you accept that, right, you can't actually

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Speaker 3: like defend capitalism on the merits of it being an

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Speaker 3: economic system. You have to like do this like circle

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Speaker 3: run around dance of like defending ideas. And this all

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Speaker 3: gets like gets to this point where the problem that

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Speaker 3: you're talking about happens, which is that like, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: capitalism is also a system where one really weird guy,

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Speaker 3: and he's like, terrible ideas can have an enormous impact

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Speaker 3: on how society operates. Like this is this is this

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Speaker 3: is this is the thing we're all suffering from from

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Speaker 3: like Elon Musk, right, or like what what's that guy's name,

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Speaker 3: like Robert Moses, right, Like yeah, like the you know,

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Speaker 3: like capitalism is absolutely a system that generates just one

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Speaker 3: guy who can just fuck everyone's.

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Speaker 1: And that's a perfect example of it, because like the

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Speaker 1: fact that Moses has these weird personal hang ups around

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Speaker 1: public transportation and this love of being driven around influences

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Speaker 1: how tens of millions of people live to this day,

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Speaker 1: and influences like the global climate crisis. And so it's

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Speaker 1: not like this great man didn't like grab the lathe

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Speaker 1: of heaven. It was more like, no, our we we

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Speaker 1: are society kind of like the system we set up

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Speaker 1: allowed an enormous amount of power for this specific thing.

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Speaker 1: How our cities are set up to be invested in

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Speaker 1: an unelected weirdo because he was the only one interested

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Speaker 1: enough to focus on it, and that led to this

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Speaker 1: very bad situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I think I think Popper's think of that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, okay, you do you do you

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Speaker 3: deal with this by like just having elections for everyone,

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Speaker 3: And it's like, well, okay, like so sometimes you have election.

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Speaker 3: We never vote for crazy assholes, thank god. Sometimes sometimes

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Speaker 3: sometimes you get Donald Trump, right, like, you know, the

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Speaker 3: these these are these are these are things that are

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Speaker 3: going to haunt both Popper. Popper doesn't live long enough

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Speaker 3: to see like the absolute worst this can possibly go.

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Speaker 3: But George Soros unfortunately has lived to see exactly how

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Speaker 3: value this this con possibly go.

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Speaker 1: But let's call him, let's let's call him by his

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Speaker 1: nickname from from now on. Uh uh g Sizzle? Is

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Speaker 1: that good that we're not doing that. We're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Garrison. This is this is this

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Speaker 1: is why you're This is why you're here. You have

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Speaker 1: power of attorney over what nicknames we call the subjects

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Speaker 1: of the episodes.

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Speaker 3: I will I will keep it and reserve this power.

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Speaker 1: See, this is we're We've built a system to try

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Speaker 1: and uh and stop you know, individuals with with weird

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Speaker 1: hang ups from from influencing history so much. It's that simple, folks,

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Speaker 1: you know, devolve powers. Yeah, works great for un precedency.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're you have to talk about Ugoslavia this episode.

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't always work. But all right, so back

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Speaker 3: back back in, back in sort of the heady days

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Speaker 3: of of the seventies and eighties George, where like, okay,

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Speaker 3: he has a dual thing where he at once has

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Speaker 3: his kind of crisis a conscience thing where he's like,

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Speaker 3: I want to actually do something with my life that's

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Speaker 3: not just you know how, I want to have an

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Speaker 3: impact on the world that is positive and not like

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Speaker 3: I made so much money that like gods look at

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Speaker 3: it and vomit and so and so. Okay, So his

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Speaker 3: solicial is he sets up a tax dodge. And he's

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Speaker 3: actually very explicit about those interviews that his first foundation

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Speaker 3: to do charity work was set up as a tax dodge.

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Speaker 3: But but this is where Soros is very interesting, right

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Speaker 3: because he has, you know, for for like a billionaire, right,

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Speaker 3: he has some positions that are started only very good.

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Speaker 3: So he is anti apartheid and that is like not

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Speaker 3: a thing you can guarantee from people in that era,

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Speaker 3: like oh boy. He also and this is only I

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Speaker 3: guess gets him in trouble like to this day, is

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Speaker 3: he is pro Palestine. And this is part of why

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Speaker 3: like Netanyahu absolutely hates him. He's he's not like like okay,

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Speaker 3: he's he's.

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Speaker 1: Not like a radical pro Palaestine by the standards of

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Speaker 1: net and Yahoo a radical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. It was like his you know, his

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Speaker 3: sort of like like his sort of like liberal humanism,

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Speaker 3: like hey, we should not like shoot children with guns.

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Speaker 1: Thing is Broadley anti shooting children throwing rocks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like like that that that makes you a

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Speaker 3: like like like enemy number one of the Israeli Still

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Speaker 3: well yeah, no, I okay put them like.

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Speaker 1: The enemy number one is those kids, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Or four. They haven't rapped him yet. So oh god,

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Speaker 3: speaking of things that the Israeli government didn't do. So

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Speaker 3: he gets his start.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to do an ad.

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Speaker 3: I don't worry. I have a better one. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of good. So in that today, his first experience, like

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Speaker 3: doing charity work is he decides that he's going to

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Speaker 3: go up against like apartheid in South Africa, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is good. So he he what he starts doing.

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Speaker 3: He starts giving scholarships to black students to go to

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Speaker 3: the University of Cape Town, and then he learns a

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Speaker 3: very very important lesson about neoliberalism that he's about he's

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Speaker 3: going to like promptly forget after this, which is that, okay,

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Speaker 3: So what actually happened what he thinks is going to happen, right,

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Speaker 3: is what he's trying to do, is he's trying to make,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's trying to make sure there's more money

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Speaker 3: for black kids to go to go to university. What

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Speaker 3: actually happens is that the state uses his money to

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Speaker 3: pay for the existing scholarships and stops paying for any

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Speaker 3: more scholarships. And so there's two things going on here, right,

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: One is the obvious. This is the this is the

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01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 3: apartheid racism, right like they don't want more like they

1503
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 3: don't want more non white kids going to school. But

1504
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 3: then two also this is also sort of a classic

1505
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 3: nearliberal failure, which is like if you were, if you were,

1506
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: when you replace the state with like billionaire philanthropists, the

1507
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 3: state simply instead of like you know, having more of

1508
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 3: the of like the resources of the services provided, the

1509
01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: state just stops doing it and spends more money on cops.

1510
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 3: And so he sours very quickly realizes that like he

1511
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: figures this out, it is like I fuck this, Like no,

1512
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: I'm not going to help you, like I'm not going

1513
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: to help the apartek government do racism. And so this

1514
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 3: makes him kind of weary of this stuff because he

1515
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 3: has sort of he has sort of seen how you

1516
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: see what happens when you when you very explicitly try

1517
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: to work within a system that is unbelievably fucked up,

1518
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 3: which is that the apartheid government uses your money to

1519
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 3: as a way to like funnel more of their own

1520
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 3: money into their own pockets. And do you know who

1521
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: else use the system of apartheid to funnel more money

1522
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 3: into their own pockets?

1523
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 7: Oh okay, I see, I now see what you were doing.

1524
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 7: I think the last I think the previous attempt to

1525
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 7: not break was actually better.

1526
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: I was kind of like, you know, you.

1527
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: Know, I mean criticism correct that our podcasts are entirely

1528
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: sponsored via a time machine. We used to go back

1529
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: to apartheid South Africa. Uh get their advertising dollars. So

1530
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: please keep the krue grands flowing and purchase these products

1531
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: and services. I learned that krue grands was the South

1532
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: African currency from the movie Lethal Weapon two. We're back

1533
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting uncomfortable in the knowledge that I am

1534
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: the only person on this zoom call who has watched

1535
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: lethal Weapon? Two? Have either of you seen any of

1536
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: the Lethal's weapon? No, unbelievable. You're missing maybe the best

1537
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson performance outside of that time he got pulled

1538
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: over in Malibu and gave a racist rant to those

1539
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: California State Highway Patrol officers.

1540
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: H okaygre thinking of people who are about to give

1541
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: racist rants. Okay. So the other thing about Soros, and

1542
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: the thing that is sort of blisteringly ironic about how

1543
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: the sort of course of Andy Soro's attacks go, is

1544
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 3: that Soros is like a vehement, like pretty hardline anti

1545
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 3: communist and this is what he spends most of his time,

1546
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: like in the eighties doing, is is you know, like

1547
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 3: give giving money to anti communist groups and communist countries.

1548
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 3: So he funds Solidarity in Poland, which is this like

1549
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 3: I very mixed record.

1550
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get the like he's funding anti communist causes.

1551
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's funny, but you know he's he's funny.

1552
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 3: He's trying to fund like a very specific kind of

1553
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 3: like liberal anti communist cause, right, and you know this

1554
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: this goes badly for him in a number of ways.

1555
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 3: One is that the moment, like the moment the Berlin wallfalls,

1556
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: everyone just like suddenly forgets about all of the anti

1557
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 3: communism that he did because you know, and this is

1558
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: something about this, we have a kind of anti communist

1559
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: that he is, right, Like, there's a lot of anti

1560
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 3: communists who are, like you were, just like desk squad guys,

1561
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 3: right like, this is your like your guy trained by

1562
01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 3: Shan Kai Shek who's like shooting peasants in like El Salvador. Right,

1563
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 3: there's also like another kind of anti communists in this

1564
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 3: era who are sort of liberal anti communists who like

1565
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 3: are anti communists but like also anti Pinochet. For example,

1566
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 3: like Soros give somebody to the people, you know, when

1567
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 3: when Pinochet has this big referendum of his like should

1568
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: I stay in power? He gives money to the people

1569
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: who are like no, and those are people who, ah,

1570
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 3: their intentions are better than the just like absolutely horrifying

1571
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 3: right wingers. But you know, it doesn't it doesn't go

1572
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 3: great for him. So Soros his initial plan, right is

1573
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 3: he's gonna, you know, okay, when he's trying to like

1574
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 3: start funding ant communist groups, He's gonna use his things

1575
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 3: like he was gonna go into Hungary and he was

1576
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 3: gonna like give Hungarian students scholarships, and the Hungarian students

1577
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 3: were like, don't do this, Like if you if you

1578
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 3: just show up and give us money, the state is

1579
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 3: immediately going to be able to go like, hey, you

1580
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 3: were like outside funded opposition people doing like regime change stuff,

1581
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 3: and it's going to like immediately discredit us. And so

1582
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 3: this is the point where he sets up the SOUS Foundation,

1583
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: which becomes opens There's a whole thing with this. This

1584
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 3: stuff changes names like many times the Open Society Foundation stuff. Yeah, yeah,

1585
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 3: and you know, and so you know what we were like,

1586
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 3: we just talk about what they actually do because in

1587
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 3: sort of like.

1588
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: That, I can tell you one thing that they do

1589
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: because I used to work with when I was teaching

1590
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: classes at Belling cat my my partner, my partner, John Carlo,

1591
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: he would go and teach because he's he was born

1592
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: and for at least a period of time raised in Venezuela.

1593
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,480
Speaker 1: He would teach classes in Latin America to local journalists

1594
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: who wanted to know open source investigative techniques and who

1595
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't have the kind of money to pay what it

1596
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: usually costs to do a belling cat thing, and that

1597
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: program whereby a bunch of journalists in Latin America, particularly Columbia,

1598
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: got training, was funded by the Open Society Foundation. And

1599
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: so a couple of years ago when there was that

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01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: massive swellowing of like the police murdering people and protest

1601
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: crowds and stuff in Colombia, the journalists who were like

1602
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: doing open source investigation to track down which police officers

1603
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: were you know, killing folks and how this was going

1604
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 1: were a lot of the folks that John Carlo had trained.

1605
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of stuff that one of the

1606
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of things that the Open Society Foundation does.

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01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they also do a lot of They do a

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01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 3: lot of like giving student scholarships. The other thing they're

1609
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 3: really big on that doesn't get talked about much is

1610
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: that there were huge on like cultural events basically like

1611
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 3: paying people money to like put on plays and like

1612
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 3: theater stuff and music and like writing poems and books,

1613
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: which is like I don't know, like I actually think

1614
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 3: that's cool, Like like we as a society used to

1615
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 3: do this, Like we used to like pay people, like

1616
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: the government used to pay people to like write things

1617
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 3: and like create art. And then we decided that that

1618
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 3: was bad, and I've never done it again.

1619
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm anti creating art for the record, That's

1620
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: why I'm really happy about all this.

1621
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: Ai bait bait ye bait post do not engage. So

1622
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 3: unfortunately for the Soros Foundation, one of the people they

1623
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 3: give these these scholarships to is victor Or Broun, which

1624
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 3: is I.

1625
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Victory the Hungarian Yeah, press, yes, we.

1626
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 3: Shall, we shall return to that. This is I think

1627
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 3: maybe the single greatest example of like creating young grave

1628
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 3: Digger I've ever seen in my entire life. I I

1629
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, like one of the things that that

1630
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 3: comes up about this and this is this is one

1631
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: of the things that another one of the guys who

1632
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 3: sorows BACKX, who like betrays him later on, says that

1633
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 3: Soros is bad at politics, like you just he's like

1634
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 3: not very good at it, Like he's not you know

1635
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 3: people like the sort of like thing about him is

1636
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 3: that he's this sort of like criminal mastermind who can

1637
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: like like bankow revolutions and stuff, and he just like

1638
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: gets out maneuvered by people constantly in ways that are

1639
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 3: like kind of depressing. Yeah, but you Okay, So he's

1640
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 3: spending in the eighties like doing all this, you know,

1641
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: like doing this sort of cultural work. And you know

1642
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 3: in Hungary, right, there's a sort of interesting thing that

1643
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 3: happens where like he's wealthy enough that like even the

1644
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 3: Communist Party is sort of like has to work with

1645
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 3: him because he has money and they sort of don't.

1646
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 3: But you know, the other thing that that's I think

1647
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: important to understand is that he's not like there's a

1648
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 3: bunch of foundations who do like exactly the same stuff, right,

1649
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 3: like maybe slightly worse. Like you know, there's like the

1650
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 3: Ford Foundation, There's like the Rockefellers, right, or the Rockefeller Foundation,

1651
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 3: like they all they all like at any place where

1652
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 3: open society is like doing stuff, there's like a worse

1653
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: version of it at the Ford Foundation, and like the

1654
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 3: Rockefellers are doing. But you know, somehow, stunningly only one

1655
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 3: of these groups is singled out for being yelled at

1656
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: all the time. And I will I will leave as

1657
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 3: an exercise to the reader why specifically picked Soros and

1658
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: not Ford? Huh huh?

1659
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 7: I wonder, I wonder what big mystery. I wonder what

1660
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 7: differences and uh and cultural views might be.

1661
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 3: It might be Yeah, so okay, the other real problem

1662
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 3: that he runs into, which is a cultural problem, is that, okay,

1663
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: this is the problem that all the liberal anti communists

1664
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 3: run into, which is that, Okay, so the walls come down, right,

1665
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 3: and the communist governments fall, and it turns out that, uh,

1666
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 3: the anti communists and and Europe are almost all right

1667
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 3: wingers and their base are all like right wing nationalists fanatics.

1668
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 3: Here's another Stories quote about this. I thought I would

1669
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: blaze the trail, I would lead and others would follow.

1670
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: But now that I look, I find that there was

1671
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 3: practically nobody behind me. I asked myself what went wrong?

1672
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 3: And part of what went wrong is like what Soros

1673
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 3: is doing in these places. So for example, you know,

1674
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 3: he's involved in funding solidarity, he's involved in some solidarities

1675
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 3: negotiations with the government. And then the other thing that

1676
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: he does is he's one of the people who helps

1677
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: like do structural adjustment in Poland. And this goes really

1678
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 3: badly because so what we were talking about, we just

1679
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about what solidarity is because he

1680
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 3: helps destroy it by accident. Solidarity is this giant sort

1681
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: of like social democratic e union that forms in you know,

1682
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 3: in like the early eighties in Poland, that's like the

1683
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 3: first sort of independent union in one of these communist countries.

1684
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 3: And they eventually are able to sort of like knock

1685
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 3: off the government. But they come into power, and you know,

1686
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 3: so they do on sort of Soros's advice and on

1687
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 3: the advice of a lot of the sort of financial people.

1688
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 3: They're getting, right, all of the people are telling them

1689
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 3: to do privatization. So they do it, right, They privatize

1690
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: all of these giant state owned like facilities, they privatize

1691
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 3: their docks like stuff like that. And this, it turns out,

1692
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 3: it just causes massive de industrialization. It destroys Solidarity's base

1693
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 3: because there's there's suddenly no longer all of these union

1694
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 3: jobs at all these state owned factories. And so you know,

1695
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 3: they lose an ex election and the solidarity like vanishes

1696
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 3: forever into the midst of time. There's like six of

1697
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 3: those guys left. Yeah, and this and this is a

1698
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 3: real sort of source problem. This that like keeps running

1699
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 3: over and over again, right is you know, he spent

1700
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: all this time being an anti communists, but then the

1701
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 3: actual anti communists who have bases and who aren't just

1702
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 3: like destroying their own bases by like doing privatization, which

1703
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 3: is something he stuff he's also pushing, right are these

1704
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 3: right wringers? And this is this is just sort of

1705
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 3: a fiasco, and you know, it's so like he he does,

1706
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 3: like he tries to do like a very similar thing

1707
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: to what he'd been doing in in Eastern Europe and China,

1708
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 3: and this goes like even worse because he winds up

1709
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: like backing, he winds up backing one of the CCP

1710
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 3: factions who gets purged after Tienemann, and so you know,

1711
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 3: surus like as the sort of nineties go on, right,

1712
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 3: like he's sort of slowly starting to realize that, like

1713
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 3: the stuff that he's doing is not working very well.

1714
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 3: And one of the sort of I don't know if

1715
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 3: consequence is the right word, but okay, one of soros

1716
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 3: are sort of like principles that makes them different from

1717
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 3: a lot of other of these billionaires rights. He doesn't

1718
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 3: do humanitarian aid. His thing is that like he wants

1719
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 3: to produce a society that doesn't need humanitarian aid, which

1720
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 3: is sort of noble.

1721
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 13: But like.

1722
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 3: Then then Yugoslavia falls apart, and he winds up doing

1723
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff in Yugoslavia, Like he winds up

1724
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 3: building like a water purification plant Sarajevo. While aside resiege

1725
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: and the other thing that I didn't know he was

1726
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:03,879
Speaker 3: like really involved with is like he's basically the reason

1727
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 3: why the UN war crimes tribunal that like tries Moloshovic

1728
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 3: and stuff like happens, Like he funds it. It wasn't

1729
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 3: really like a UN thing he was. He was like, Hey,

1730
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna have this tribunal. And then the German government

1731
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 3: like arrested one of the war criminals just sort of

1732
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 3: randomly at like an airport or something. And he's able

1733
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 3: to convince sort of like Clinton and a bunch of

1734
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 3: other people to like actually turn and the UN to

1735
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 3: like turn this into a real court. And this pisses

1736
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: off a lot of people and like bye by a

1737
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 3: lot of people. I mean, like very specifically pisses Belosovik

1738
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 3: cough because I somewhat obvious reasons that he tried to

1739
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 3: try him for war crimes. Okay, so I think, gar

1740
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 3: you're too young for this. Robert, do you remember Rock

1741
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 3: the Vote? God?

1742
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I remember Rock the Vote.

1743
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: Okay. So one of the things Soros does is he

1744
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 3: does like a he brings like a rock to vote.

1745
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: He's like one of the people who brings the rock

1746
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 3: devote to like Slovakia great, and you know, and this

1747
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 3: is the first.

1748
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: Time that this is how we introduce people to democracy

1749
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: by showing how cringe it can be perfect well.

1750
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 3: And the government is immediately immediately this is sort of

1751
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 3: the first time that like a government is seriously like, well,

1752
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, this is the first time that you've

1753
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 3: had like a protest movement that starts and the head

1754
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 3: of the country goes like, it's George Soros. He's the

1755
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 3: one doing this, even though like the Ford Foundation again

1756
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 3: and the Rockefellers and just like a bunch of random

1757
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 3: people in Slovakia are also doing this. But this is,

1758
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 3: this is this is sort of going to become like

1759
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 3: a pattern in in in these things, because you know,

1760
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 3: he he's sort of like like I think she's kind

1761
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 3: of like poking a lot of sort of very powerful,

1762
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 3: like increasingly powerful sort of regional right wing leaders because

1763
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 3: he looks at the societies and are like, actually, it

1764
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 3: sucks to have like just dog shit right wingers who

1765
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 3: are like racist and hate everyone running a country.

1766
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like it would be bad.

1767
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is this is the thing about words, right,

1768
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 3: Like he every once in a while, right, he sees

1769
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 3: something really bad going on and goes, I'm gonna throw

1770
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 3: a bunch of money at it try to fix it.

1771
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 3: And so one of the things that he does this

1772
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 3: for is the war on drugs, like in the in

1773
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 3: sort of the eighties and nineties, Like Saras looks at

1774
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 3: this and it is like this fucking sucks, Like this

1775
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: is really bad. And so he starts working in Baltimore,

1776
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 3: where the government is trying to do like something's like

1777
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 3: pretty like something like even now is to consider sort

1778
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 3: of like pretty radical I like harm reduction stuff. So

1779
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 3: I mean they like it. Like Baltimore in the nineties

1780
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 3: has needle exchanges. Uh, he's doing like narcan trainings for people.

1781
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 3: He's you know, he's doing things like funny instead of

1782
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 3: like like giving money to like he's doing he's has

1783
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,839
Speaker 3: these programs to like get people out of like prison faster,

1784
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 3: and he's doing like after school programs for kids and

1785
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 3: this stuff like this is like genuinely good. Like there's

1786
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 3: no like I don't know it sucks that like it's

1787
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 3: it's billionaire money that's like doing it. But like I

1788
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 3: don't know, like probably there's a lot of people who

1789
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: are alive because I didn't get HIV from needles that

1790
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 3: they were able to do exchanges for. Yeah.

1791
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Sure, that's all. That's all good stuff.

1792
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And but you know the interesting thing about Storts, right,

1793
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: he's he's like not like you know, he's doing stuff

1794
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 3: that's like pretty lefty, right, but he's like not a

1795
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 3: partisan guy until he sees George Bush and he sees

1796
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 3: he's he like the day after nine to eleven, he's like,

1797
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 3: holy shit, this guy is a maniac. And like it's

1798
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 3: just instantly has like the switch flips of like this man,

1799
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 3: this man is an enemy to open society, which is true.

1800
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 3: And he's like he's he like, guess this braid of

1801
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 3: like I need to bring this man down. So he

1802
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 3: starts getting really for the first time, he starts getting

1803
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 3: really really involved in the two thousand and four election.

1804
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: He's doing like like these like micro targeting ad stuff.

1805
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 3: He's like throwing money around everywhere, and you know, I

1806
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 3: mean he explicitly like the like the way he looks

1807
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 3: at it, like if he's very explicit about this is

1808
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 3: like he wants to level the like the playing field

1809
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 3: between the Republicans, who are funded by just a trillion

1810
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 3: routing billionaires and the Democrats, who are funded by not

1811
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 3: that many billionaires. The problem with this is that he

1812
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 3: has like a very weird view of what's wrong with Bush.

1813
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read from the People up the Stars again

1814
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 3: in imposing its view of freedom on both the American

1815
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 3: people in a foreign country. Quote the supremacist ideology of

1816
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 3: the Bush administration, and it is in contradiction with the

1817
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 3: principles of open society because it claims possession of an

1818
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 3: ultimate truth, which I don't know, I don't actually think

1819
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 3: like claiming possession of an ultimate truth is like specifically

1820
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 3: the thing that like is the reason why the Bush

1821
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 3: administration is bad. But simultaneously, I don't know, Like I

1822
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 3: it's hard for me to be like too mad about

1823
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 3: a billionaire seeing George Bush and just like going, oh

1824
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 3: my god.

1825
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah it didn't it didn't work, but it yeah, good

1826
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: that he gave it, gave it the old college try.

1827
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1828
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 10: Well.

1829
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this this has a backlash effect, which the Republicans

1830
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 3: see him start doing this and they're like, oh shit,

1831
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 3: this is incredible campaign material for us, and we start

1832
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 3: seeing like the sort of the less openly anti Semitic

1833
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 3: like precursors. So like all the stuff we see today,

1834
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,839
Speaker 3: like Bill O'Reilly goes after him.

1835
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh god, Robert, do you remember denn Dennis Hastard. Oh yeah,

1836
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: Look if my favorite pedophiles who were long standing speakers

1837
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives, Dennis Hastard is easily in

1838
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: the top three.

1839
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 3: She i, this is the thing that's been like collectively

1840
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 3: wiped from like America's conscience. Is that like the Republican

1841
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 3: speaker of the House for like twenty years was like

1842
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 3: one of one of one of history's most prolific pedophiles.

1843
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: He sure was.

1844
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 3: And she she also turns out one of the people

1845
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 3: who mainstream the anti Soros stuff. She starts citing a

1846
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 3: fucking Lyndon LaRouche quote unquote report claiming that Soros got

1847
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 3: his money from drugs. So Lyndon LaRouche is this like

1848
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 3: fascist weirdo who cut his teeth and running this like

1849
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 3: anti communist cult that would like physically fight leftist groups

1850
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 3: on campuses and would like give information on like student

1851
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 3: leftist groups and like other leftistcroops or the government like

1852
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 3: they are they are so feded up that like if

1853
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 3: you start reading about de LaRouche sites, like they were

1854
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 3: narking to federal orgs like you've never heard of before,

1855
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 3: it's stunningly, stunningly bizarre like conspiracy cult thing. And Dennis

1856
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 3: Hastert was just straight up like reading their antisemitic conspiracy

1857
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 3: theories like on TV. But you know, and I think

1858
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 3: I think it's something that that one of the things

1859
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to emphasize like in this episode, right is

1860
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 3: like the anti Soro stuff isn't really like I don't

1861
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 3: know what you call it, like or sort of organic

1862
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 3: anti Semitism, Like it's not something that like comes from

1863
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 3: the Republican base, right, This is something that this is

1864
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 3: a deliberate choice by Republican political strategists who are very

1865
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 3: deliberately like this this is this is a Jewish billionaire

1866
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 3: who's helping the who's helping a Democratic party, Like we

1867
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: can use this to do to try to do like

1868
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 3: culture warship to win this election. And you know, like

1869
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 3: we know we can see the results of this, and

1870
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 3: this isn't even you know, we're gonna get this in

1871
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 3: a little bit, but like this this isn't even the

1872
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 3: only time this is gonna happen where like the specific

1873
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 3: like sorrows, like anti Semitism stuff for dreaming agust is

1874
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 3: like it's cooked up by like like very specifically cooked

1875
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 3: up as a targeted thing by political strategists. I love it.

1876
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Which it's it's good.

1877
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 3: Anyways, we should we should do ads.

1878
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of anti Semitism, you know, just just speaking

1879
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: about it. That's what we're doing here. Anyway, here's the mads. Ah,

1880
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 1: we're back, got another email from the A d L.

1881
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal with this. Y'all continue talking about George Soros.

1882
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,919
Speaker 3: Oh boy, So all right, Well the other thing Soros

1883
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 3: keeps doing, like you know, so in going after Bush, right,

1884
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 3: he has now made himself like he's not enemy number

1885
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 3: one yet, but he's going he's made himself like a

1886
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 3: pretty high profile enemy of the Republican like.

1887
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 1: Through the shoe.

1888
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that guy actually sucks.

1889
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: Ida Yeah yeah, we're not praising him.

1890
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. He starts this sort of like arc of pissing

1891
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 3: off a bunch of really really powerful and important people

1892
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: who are anti Semitic great wingers. So remember how I

1893
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 3: a while back, I said I was talking about there

1894
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 3: was a guy who double crossed Soros, who was like,

1895
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 3: this guy's bad at politics. So that guy was like

1896
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 3: a h that that that that guy. That guy was

1897
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: a Georgian protest leader who Soros like helped like his

1898
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 3: protest movements overthrow a sort of like kind of pretty

1899
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 3: shitty like pro Russian government in Georgia. But like that guy,

1900
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 3: that guy has like a wild arc that you could

1901
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 3: do his own fucking movie series on. He's now a victor,

1902
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 3: a close ally of Victoria Bond. So it's going great,

1903
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 3: But how do you actually pronounce his name? For some reason,

1904
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 3: it always just like pings off my brain.

1905
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Victoria Garren. I hear, are the

1906
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,759
Speaker 1: real brain trust to ask about pronunciation? You've brought together,

1907
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: you know, just the goat.

1908
01:43:55,479 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 7: Latest gnunciator just said to me a list of like

1909
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 7: European cities. That's a free episode idea.

1910
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: There you go.

1911
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna say the word Binghamton like forty

1912
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: seven times. It's gonna be great.

1913
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 3: Okay, So sorrows back to this GE's called the Rose Revolution,

1914
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 3: and you know this turns out badly for Soros in

1915
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 3: every possible way, which is that like one his guy

1916
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 3: like sucks and turns on him. And then two he

1917
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 3: really like this like really pisses off Latimer putin a

1918
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 3: man who is going to hold this grudge like like

1919
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 3: on his deathbed, he will be holding this grudge. Now, okay.

1920
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 3: So one of the things that that sort of like happens.

1921
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 3: So he's backing these sort of like protest movements in

1922
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 3: Eastern Europe. I refuse the sort of two thousands. And

1923
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 3: you know, as the two thousands go on and turn

1924
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, thing the world economy goes to shit.

1925
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 3: A bunch of right wingers started taking power. And one

1926
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 3: of victor Or Bond's like political consultants, who's this guy

1927
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 3: who he met through net and Yahoo? Like specifically like

1928
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 3: this is this is another consultant guy very specifically cooks

1929
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 3: up the idea for how you know, he's trying to

1930
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 3: fend off like a right like a sort of another

1931
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 3: sort of right wing challenge. He's trying to fend off

1932
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 3: like the rest of our political establishment. And or Bond's

1933
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 3: consultant like very specifically is like what if we go

1934
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 3: after Soros again? And you know, and so he does,

1935
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 3: and this is this is another one of those things

1936
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 3: like this is literally the anti Semitism is fucking cooked

1937
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 3: up in a pr lab in order for these people

1938
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 3: to win elections. And I don't know that that that

1939
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 3: just sort of just sort of like cynical cold bloodedness

1940
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 3: of it, like of these people, like this politic cool

1941
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 3: consultant by the way, like is also Jewish, right like,

1942
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 3: and he just doesn't give a shit. He's like a

1943
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 3: fuck it. Like well, you know, like I'm like one

1944
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: of Netanyahu's guys. NETANYAHUO fucking hates this guy too, Like

1945
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 3: why don't we just use him as a punching bag,

1946
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 3: And so they do, and you know, this is this

1947
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 3: is part of a big part of the reason like

1948
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 3: why Soros turns into this sort of enemy Number one

1949
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 3: is that in twenty fifteen, they start blaming him for

1950
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 3: the influx of refugees from Syria and this spreads like

1951
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 3: fucking wildfire. Suddenly, like every single right wing leader on

1952
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: earth is like, oh shit, I can blame all of

1953
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 3: my refugee stuff on this guy, and they start doing it.

1954
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 3: And you know, so suddenly, like like air Dowan is

1955
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 3: blaming him for like the Gtzy part protests and he

1956
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 3: does at thirteen, like Trump gets on this and you know,

1957
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 3: this stuff sort of like it's it spreads really quickly,

1958
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 3: and once it's sort of out of the bottle, right

1959
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 3: like you know, like people like like there are the

1960
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 3: people who sort of first start this right are doing

1961
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 3: this sort of like you know, like incredibly cold, cynical

1962
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,839
Speaker 3: political calculus. But once once that, once this like incredibly

1963
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 3: high level that he sent and he sententism gets out

1964
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 3: of the open, it starts turning into just like Soros

1965
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 3: a Satan ship and you know, and and part part

1966
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 3: of what happens here is is that like this is

1967
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 3: this is one of the things, like the sort of

1968
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 3: campaigns against Soros is one of the things that he's

1969
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 3: responsible for, like our current like migrant policy, like why

1970
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 3: it's so bad, Like why like half our episodes next

1971
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 3: week and are going to be about like just horrible

1972
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 3: shit happening at the border, which is that like Soros

1973
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 3: in the in the like the late the nineties and

1974
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 3: two thousands found out that like Clinton was funding his

1975
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 3: welfare reform by cutting legal immigrants off from food stamps

1976
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 3: and like SSI benefits, and he's like, wait, this is fucking.

1977
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1978
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,759
Speaker 3: It's just like like he caught one point five million

1979
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 3: people off of his off of fucking benefits for just

1980
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 3: no reason, like on believably demonic act. And Soro finds

1981
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 3: out about this is like wait, what the fuck, what

1982
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 3: do you mean he's doing this? So he like puts

1983
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 3: a coalition together that like funds a bunch of immigrant

1984
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 3: advocacy groups, and he's able to overturn this. But there's

1985
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 3: a sort of right the right wing reaction to this,

1986
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 3: right like is partially also part of the right wing

1987
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 3: reaction to Soorros two thousand and four. There's this very

1988
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 3: very effective and like unbelievably brutal sort of right wing

1989
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 3: backlash about immigration politics. That is, you know, it's one

1990
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:29,480
Speaker 3: of the things that drives the Obama administration.

1991
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 5: Right.

1992
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 3: The Obama administration is like worse than the Bush administration

1993
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 3: on like deportation shit. It's you know, just utter horror,

1994
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff continues, and all of these

1995
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 3: right wing people figure out that if you can just

1996
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 3: pin like like Trump starts with Trump pins the migrant

1997
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 3: caravent on Soros, and they figure out, like, this is

1998
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 3: the this is like the specific combination, right, It's like

1999
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 3: the the the anti semitism of like the Jewish banker

2000
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 3: bringing immigrants into your country is just like the sort

2001
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 3: of one way shop driving your entire country into like

2002
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:08,799
Speaker 3: a like fascist right wing frenzy. And it works. And now,

2003
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 3: you know, like the cycle that we're in now is

2004
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 3: like anytime something happens, like the right blames info like this.

2005
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 3: So the the the current right wing panic is that

2006
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 3: Trot Soros was funding some like pretty moderate like reform

2007
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 3: DA people because he's a criminal justice reform guy. And

2008
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 3: the Republicans are now all talking about how this is

2009
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,760
Speaker 3: like a scheme by Soros to like cause crime and

2010
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 3: like destroy the entire country. And unfortunately, like this is

2011
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,600
Speaker 3: just like this is this is just this is just

2012
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 3: reality now all of these like really bleakly cynical political

2013
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 3: leaders and they're like polsters and pr consultants, where like

2014
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 3: we could use anti semitism to win elections and they

2015
01:49:55,840 --> 01:50:02,719
Speaker 3: did and now we live in hell.

2016
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2017
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: But on the upside, you know, uh, the you know,

2018
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 1: have you guys had the new uh the new Mountain

2019
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: Dew zero major melon. It's not tasty, but uh it's

2020
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: in grocery stores. So if you're looking for a diet

2021
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 1: mountain dew flavor, you know, that makes it all kind

2022
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: of worthwhile.

2023
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,799
Speaker 3: I no longer even delivering flavor.

2024
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: That's that's what I had for you. It was that

2025
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 1: or another heroine.

2026
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 7: Why why would they need to deliver flavor when instead

2027
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 7: they can just continue to mainstream anti semitism to get

2028
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 7: right wing politicians elected so they can make say.

2029
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 1: But you know what I've been I've been studying this

2030
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,520
Speaker 1: can for a while now, and none of the anthropomorphized

2031
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 1: watermelons look like they could be racial caricatures. So that's

2032
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 1: a win.

2033
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 7: You know, Look, if that is, if that is actually

2034
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 7: that actually is a racism wind to.

2035
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: If Mountain Dew had made a melon version in nineteen thirty,

2036
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 1: it would have been pretty bad. Like we would be

2037
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: sharing pictures of those cans on Twitter today and going,

2038
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 1: oh my god. They would have to make a statement.

2039
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: They'd have to donate some money to like, I don't know,

2040
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 1: fun to probably scholarships or something. It'd be a real

2041
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 1: problem for Mountain Dew, is what I'm saying. But today,

2042
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 1: nothing problematic about the melons on their can.

2043
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure there's nothing problematic about the soda industry.

2044
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: Aspertaine, the health chemical.

2045
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,640
Speaker 3: Well, is that is that all we had?

2046
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 5: Yah?

2047
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, this is this is endicular app here.

2048
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 7: Well, it's now we finally know why George Soros is

2049
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 7: as bad as Magneto, and why comparing George Soros to

2050
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 7: Magneto as the one of the richest men in the

2051
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 7: world who owns probably the most influential communication app is

2052
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 7: probably not a good thing, you know.

2053
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 3: Okay, one more thing I want to get out, like

2054
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 3: for one second that I forgot I realized I forgot

2055
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 3: to say earlier, is that like Soros is not like

2056
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 3: in the scale of billionaire, Soros is not very rich,

2057
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 3: Like he's like the three hundred and seventieth richest billionaire.

2058
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 3: Like he's not even in the top one hundred. Right,

2059
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 3: Elon Musk he has like six billion dollars. Elon Musk

2060
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 3: has like one hundred and eighty four billion dollars or something.

2061
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 3: So like, you know what the the relative levels of

2062
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 3: influence that these people have.

2063
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 7: No, I was talking about Elon Musk, Yeah, right, the

2064
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 7: one of the chest most influential people.

2065
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I just I need

2066
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 3: everyone to understand exactly how much more fucking riches. It's

2067
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 3: it's it's like fucking it's like when fucking Henry Ford

2068
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 3: was like doing anti Semitic conspiracy series. It's like you

2069
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 3: literally like like you personally literally control like more wealth

2070
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 3: than like all the people you're ranting about combined. Like

2071
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up. Oh my god, h anti semitism, folks,

2072
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 3: it sucks. And also rich people do it even though

2073
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 3: they're they are the actual like the actuals. Yeah, in

2074
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 3: so far as anything even remotely like what they're what

2075
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 3: they're hypothesizing, could even potentially exist, it's fucking these people.

2076
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're bad. Uh yeah, it's it could happen here.

2077
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 3: Uh look, I didn't I didn't think of an intro

2078
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 3: for this one. I really should have. I apologize to

2079
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 3: the readers. I was reading about Chinese aloze instead.

2080
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:48,839
Speaker 10: Uh.

2081
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a podcast that's I don't know. It's

2082
01:53:51,920 --> 01:54:01,759
Speaker 3: about things. I'm here unlike all those other podcasts about things,

2083
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 3: and ours is actually about things. And today it's about

2084
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 3: hot dogs, and in order to talk about hot dogs,

2085
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 3: were joined by Jamie Loftus, whose new book Raw Dog,

2086
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 3: The Naked Truth about hot Dogs boldly asked the question

2087
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 3: what if a book was good? Welcome to the show, JB.

2088
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, So it's so good to be here to

2089
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 5: talk about things. This is like the thingiest thing available,

2090
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 5: I think.

2091
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I read this book in Okay, I

2092
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 3: don't know how you're actually supposed to divide up, Like

2093
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 3: if you stand up to go to the bathroom in

2094
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 3: the middle of a sitting, is that still one sitting?

2095
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2096
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 3: So I read this book in one sitting and it

2097
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 3: was great.

2098
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 5: One sitting with a bathroom break.

2099
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 3: I think there was two technically, but yeah, it was

2100
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 3: a good time. Yeah. And so okay, so this is

2101
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 3: this is a book that's about hot dogs and also

2102
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 3: about it's a tale of human human and animal misery

2103
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 3: and suffering. And so as I was reading book, my

2104
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 3: playlist pops up Daniel Connan The Painted Birds song The

2105
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 3: Butchers Share, and so I'm like reading about this and

2106
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 3: the song starts going, Let's take a walk around the

2107
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 3: Old Bizarre, where every little thing has traveled far, every

2108
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 3: pair of pants and grain of rice contains a horror

2109
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 3: story and its price.

2110
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 5: Wow. Really really theming right at you?

2111
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like wow, Wow, Okay, I guess reality

2112
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 3: is just sort of telling me what the what what

2113
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 3: the plot is right now?

2114
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2115
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 7: I mean that In another another case, I think it's

2116
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 7: really important that we're talking about this right now.

2117
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 3: Is that I.

2118
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 7: Believe your book was officially published on May twenty third, Yeah,

2119
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 7: which is which is the twenty third day in the

2120
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 7: fifth month, which is obviously of the year twenty twenty three,

2121
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 7: which is very important in the in the Discordian glendar,

2122
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 7: and your books about hot dogs, which is a specifically

2123
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 7: it is the one sacred food in the religion of Discordianism.

2124
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 7: So we for these.

2125
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 3: Reasons, it's really it's really important we talked with this

2126
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 3: because you us be a very powerful wizard to have

2127
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 3: to have figured this out.

2128
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I had to reserve this date years in advance.

2129
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 5: I saw it coming and uh, you know, and and

2130
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 5: then by the time people caught on it was too late.

2131
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 5: I had already I had already wizarded my way into

2132
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 5: the most potent release date. And now I mean, it's

2133
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 5: we all may be fucked because I didn't.

2134
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 3: Someone's gonnassassinate JFK again.

2135
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 5: It's gonna be great, and this time his head is

2136
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 5: going to explode like there's twice as much blood in

2137
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Speaker 5: it as the original. It's gonna be really shocked.

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01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:41,959
Speaker 15: The original.

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01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 3: I love it.

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01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 15: It's like as the original series or movies.

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01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a second there's gonna be a second

2142
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 3: grassy knoll stack on top of the book depository. It's

2143
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 3: gonna be amazing.

2144
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 5: Has reboot Culture gone too far? You know? It's good,

2145
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 5: it's a good question.

2146
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna I was trying to do a reboot

2147
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 3: culture plug cycle back here thing, and I can't do it.

2148
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 3: I'm a hack and a fraud. But I wanted to. Yeah,

2149
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk to you a bit about

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01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 3: one of the things you mentioned in the book is

2151
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 3: that you were trying to get into like like try

2152
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 3: trying to be able to get tours of these of

2153
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 3: these meat like packing plants, and just they just like

2154
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 3: didn't let you. So I wanted to ask a bit

2155
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 3: about like that process, because that seemed like it was

2156
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 3: incredibly chaotic.

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01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really frustrating and humiliating kind of every

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01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 5: step of the way. Where I mean, as we were traveling,

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01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 5: I had, you know, the map of places that I

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01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 5: wanted to go, and then I also had a map

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01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 5: of like meat packing plants that we could possibly go

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01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 5: to on the way, And so I reached out a

2163
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 5: little bit in advance and either got I mean got

2164
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 5: a ton of just no answers, and I would try

2165
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 5: to call, but generally the excuse I was given was was, well,

2166
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 5: we don't let people tour anymore since COVID, because there

2167
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 5: were a few places. I know that the Vienna Beef

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01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 5: factory in Chicago used to do tours of very specific

2169
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 5: areas of the factory, kind of the least gnarly parts,

2170
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Speaker 5: which is saying nothing, but you know, there were places

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01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 5: that you used to let civilians tour, and now it's

2172
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:22,920
Speaker 5: just unless things have changed in the last you know,

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01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 5: year or so, no one can. And on top of that,

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Speaker 5: in certain states, and this is also shifting. But the

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01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 5: AGGAG laws I think make it way less possible and

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01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 5: appealing for any meat packing plant to allow other people in,

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01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 5: which is true. I mean the AGAG law rabbit hole

2178
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 5: is so sinister of just like, instead of any meaningful

2179
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 5: improvement in meat packing plants, they're inventing new laws to

2180
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 5: combat technology, which is just like terrifying.

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01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was all was that? Was that

2182
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 3: technically pregreen.

2183
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Speaker 5: Scare That's a good question, Honestly, I think I think

2184
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 5: it was.

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01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 3: I think that was mostly like a mid like a

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01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 3: mid nineties thing.

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01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they've definitely kicked up. I mean, I think

2188
01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 5: awareness of them in general has kicked up in the

2189
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 5: last couple of years because like in uh, sort of

2190
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 5: in step with how horrible conditions were for workers during

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01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 5: lockdown after the executive order, I think there was like

2192
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, a heightened interest in wanting to

2193
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 5: investigate it, and they were just blocked at every single turn.

2194
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 5: And there are some I know that some have been

2195
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 5: overturned or in the in the process of being overturned,

2196
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 5: but I don't know. It seems pretty bleak to me.

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01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you do know, I think i'd help

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01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 3: with that, right, Like we found out like one like

2199
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,879
Speaker 3: a look was like a month ago, like pretty recently.

2200
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 3: Also that there were a bunch of companies, of these

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01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 3: meatpacking companies that were just like using child labor. The

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Speaker 3: children were getting horribly named.

2203
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 5: Yep. That yeah, that was in didn't make the book,

2204
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 5: but I could have taken an educated guess, you know,

2205
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 5: like truly it is like often so comically bad it

2206
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 5: feels wrong, but it's just like so over the top horrible,

2207
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:27,240
Speaker 5: and it sounds like describing current meatpacking conditions in the us.

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02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 5: Sounds like you're describing meatpacking conditions one hundred years ago,

2209
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Speaker 5: and they were actually slightly better one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 5: So it is it is very bleak in the unions

2211
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 5: that still exist, but they are somewhat weakened and making

2212
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,280
Speaker 5: it possible for laws like this to sneak through at

2213
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 5: active child labor. And uh, there's I know. I put

2214
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 5: this in the book because it's something I think about

2215
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,720
Speaker 5: all the time. Where you know, down the line, it

2216
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 5: was reported that not only was working to meet packing

2217
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 5: plant one of the least safe jobs in the country

2218
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 5: during lockdown, but but on top of that, a year later,

2219
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:12,560
Speaker 5: it was revealed that the top brass at Tyson and

2220
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 5: Smithfield were directly colluding with the government and essentially drafted

2221
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 5: the drafted the executive order that was given in April

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty to keep the meatpacking plants open. There were

2223
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:28,160
Speaker 5: you know, foreman and sort of middle managers at these

2224
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:30,640
Speaker 5: companies that would take bets on how many of their

2225
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 5: employees would get sick. It was just like it was

2226
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 5: cartoon evil.

2227
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Speaker 3: It was yeh, I'm like constantly haunted by the taking

2228
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 3: bets thing like that's you think about that, like once

2229
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,480
Speaker 3: a week and of like, I think I think your

2230
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 3: line was I think your line was like a continued

2231
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 3: thing of how okay with you are?

2232
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Speaker 10: You?

2233
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 3: Are you with bringing the guillotine back? And I was like,

2234
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, like this.

2235
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Speaker 5: And it's the worst when it's like middle managers. I'm like,

2236
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 5: what is what is your endgame here? Like it's I mean,

2237
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 5: I know what the endgame is, but it's so bleak

2238
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 5: to you know, be making you know, just getting by

2239
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:11,560
Speaker 5: and still betting against your like like vulnerable people that

2240
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Speaker 5: work for you, who you see every day. It's just like,

2241
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Speaker 5: I mean whatever, not surprising, but yeah, I was like, Wow,

2242
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 5: there's no there's no justice in hot dog Land. There

2243
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 5: really is.

2244
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 15: I'm so curious about how curated what they what information

2245
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 15: is allowed to be shared, Like I'm curious if I

2246
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 15: don't know if they know how bad it is even

2247
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 15: or if they're just like conditioned not to not to

2248
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 15: think about it.

2249
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Speaker 5: Yeah, from what I can tell, there are. And I

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Speaker 5: write about one at length in the book because it's

2251
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Speaker 5: one of my favorite YouTube clips of all time. This

2252
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 5: like Canadian TV show that's like a I think it's

2253
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 5: just called how It's Made, But.

2254
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 3: It's like this is a very popular Canadian television show.

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Speaker 3: It's I watched this as a kid, really, yeah, yeah.

2256
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love I mean, I love shows like that,

2257
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:01,920
Speaker 5: and I love specifically when they show you how something

2258
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:06,520
Speaker 5: gross is made because they're really trying to like keep

2259
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 5: the mood light in a way that is like so

2260
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 5: funny with hot Dogs where it's like just these big

2261
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 5: machines farting out goo and then there's like this bassline

2262
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 5: playing that's like boom boom, boom boom. The next step

2263
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:22,760
Speaker 5: in the hot dog's journey is going to the shit

2264
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:28,120
Speaker 5: that and you're like, what, it's so good, but it's

2265
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:31,560
Speaker 5: really I mean, those those clips are ridiculously curated and

2266
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:33,160
Speaker 5: to the point where it's like I can't even really

2267
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:35,480
Speaker 5: tell you what's missing, but I you know, you could

2268
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 5: tell weird pr when you see it, and yeah, like

2269
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:43,880
Speaker 5: they're sort of showing the easiest I don't know, it

2270
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:47,960
Speaker 5: reminds me. I don't know why. I'm like in I'm

2271
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 5: like Farah Nose pilled today, but like it reminds me

2272
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:52,800
Speaker 5: of the anecdote about Elizabeth Holmes where she was like

2273
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 5: taking Joe Biden around Pharah Nose and then there were

2274
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 5: like people in each room, setting up the next room

2275
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,080
Speaker 5: to look like it was a functioning business, as like

2276
02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 5: they were taking him through the through the rooms and

2277
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 5: successfully deceived him. That's very much what hot dog production

2278
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 5: clips feel like to me, which is wild because they're

2279
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 5: still disgusting, like you cannot make it look good. But yeah,

2280
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,880
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, going back through years of reports,

2281
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 5: it's it's really difficult, understandably so to speak with people

2282
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 5: who work at meat packing plants as well, because there's

2283
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 5: like not a lot of that they stand to gain

2284
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 5: from talking to reporters. But there was a good Washington

2285
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 5: Post report about it in the early two thousands that

2286
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:46,040
Speaker 5: detailed not just labor abuses within the workforce, but how

2287
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:48,560
Speaker 5: you know when you're not paying your employees enough and

2288
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 5: not keeping the equipment updated, and are you know, factory

2289
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:56,560
Speaker 5: farming focused on just production production production. The animals are

2290
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 5: far worse off too, and there were some pretty horrifying

2291
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 5: descriptions of what would happen to animals when people didn't

2292
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:06,800
Speaker 5: have the workforce or the or the tools to be

2293
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 5: able to, you know, slaughter an animal in not the

2294
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:12,800
Speaker 5: most horrible way possible.

2295
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:17,080
Speaker 3: I like thought I had to, like i'd like watch

2296
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 3: stuff before on factory farming and like, I don't I

2297
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 3: might have a real fun time sleeping tonight thinking about

2298
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,880
Speaker 3: the fucking like I don't know. I mean, the LA

2299
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:29,960
Speaker 3: should probably content wording this because this is like the

2300
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 3: animal stuff and this is genuinely horrible, Like this thing

2301
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:36,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I'm talking about like

2302
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 3: they're like stunning an animal to kill it, but the animal

2303
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 3: comes back and they're like literally chopping the animal apart

2304
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,920
Speaker 3: while it's alive. The animals like blinking out that're like

2305
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:45,360
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

2306
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 5: It's like it's hot. And then and on the workers end,

2307
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:53,840
Speaker 5: it's like and don't stop or you're fired, and like

2308
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:56,520
Speaker 5: and you have no protection. It's just like it's a

2309
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 5: it's a nightmare in a lot of places. And there

2310
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:05,000
Speaker 5: it came around in an interesting way with at the

2311
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 5: Nathan Totalk eating contest last year because they use I

2312
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 5: don't know if they used Smithfield plants for all of

2313
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 5: their food, but they did certainly some of them. And

2314
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 5: there was a protester who came on stage while Joey

2315
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:20,160
Speaker 5: Chestnutt was gobbling seventy five guzsies or something like that,

2316
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 5: and like the protester was like wearing a Darth Vader

2317
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:26,480
Speaker 5: mask and he had this sign that said like take

2318
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 5: down the Smithfield death Star. And it was a good,

2319
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,920
Speaker 5: like a pretty solid protest. It made it on TV.

2320
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,640
Speaker 5: But then Joey Chestnut tackled him to the ground and

2321
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:38,200
Speaker 5: then just stood up and kept eating hot dogs. It

2322
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 5: was like, I mean, the protester was so in the right,

2323
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:48,440
Speaker 5: but also watching Joey really just take someone just in

2324
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:51,080
Speaker 5: the middle of eating. He was like forty hot dogs

2325
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:54,680
Speaker 5: deep tackled this guy to the ground and on like

2326
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,320
Speaker 5: the low res feed I was watching, it looked like

2327
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 5: he killed him, and I was like, what did Joey

2328
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 5: just do on ESPN? Did he just kill a man?

2329
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 5: He didn't, but he injured someone and he also had

2330
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:10,400
Speaker 5: a broken leg at the time. Joey not the protester,

2331
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 5: so it was just like then he went back to

2332
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 5: very very bizarre and then he yeah, and then he

2333
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 5: finished the contest and he was like, well, I would

2334
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 5: have beat my own record, but unfortunately I had a

2335
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 5: pause for five seconds to kill someone. But anyways, Yeah,

2336
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:31,200
Speaker 5: the especially Smithfield, I think is uniquely bad. That Smithfield Entyson.

2337
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:35,280
Speaker 5: It's just like her, like horrendous with labor practices.

2338
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that was like I had

2339
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 3: a thing I was gonna say and then it simply

2340
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 3: evaporated from my mind. Uh you know what fucking ed

2341
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:47,680
Speaker 3: breaker to cover up my failures.

2342
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 7: I keep having this like false memory. I feel like

2343
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:54,840
Speaker 7: it's like it's like Mendela effect thing where when everyone says,

2344
02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 7: whenever someone says Joey Chestnut, I keep I keep thinking

2345
02:07:58,960 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 7: it's a character.

2346
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 3: I think you should leave, But whenever I look at it,

2347
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:10,360
Speaker 3: very single time, I mean, it does sound.

2348
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:14,800
Speaker 5: Like that, and I think you should leave. Has such

2349
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 5: god tear hot dog jokes that Joey should be on

2350
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 5: that show, but unfortunately he lacks charisma and so he's

2351
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:33,400
Speaker 5: He's definitely complicit in a number of things. Very hard

2352
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:36,800
Speaker 5: to know what Joey's politics are, which I know is intentional,

2353
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 5: but I'm like, what's going on with him? He's from

2354
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 5: San Diego, but now he lives in Indiana. I just

2355
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,880
Speaker 5: don't feel like it bodes well, but I can't say

2356
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 5: for sure.

2357
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know that was another part of this

2358
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:51,400
Speaker 3: that I was like, I was reading this and especially

2359
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:53,960
Speaker 3: like given the ship that's been happening the last few

2360
02:08:54,040 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 3: weeks reading about to Kyu Kobyashi, the former champion competitive

2361
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:06,400
Speaker 3: eating guy coming to the US and then like having

2362
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 3: the very combination American experience of like coming to the

2363
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 3: US and then slowly realizing, holy shit, this place sucks ass,

2364
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:14,440
Speaker 3: Like there's just a bunch of racist here and they

2365
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:17,880
Speaker 3: hate us, and my boss is going to like run

2366
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:20,120
Speaker 3: a racist pr campaign against me for money.

2367
02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:24,840
Speaker 5: Like like mask off like every day all the time,

2368
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 5: And here's the guy I'm going to be replacing you with,

2369
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:32,880
Speaker 5: and you will be only abused until this guy can

2370
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 5: beat you and then goodbye forever. And that's what happened.

2371
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 5: It's so I mean, I don't know. I think it's

2372
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 5: fascinating in a very sick way because it's like he

2373
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:50,840
Speaker 5: is just hot dog Vince McMahon, like absolutely who this

2374
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:54,080
Speaker 5: guy is and clearly idolized as Vince McMahon, the guy

2375
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:57,480
Speaker 5: George Shay like his wife wrote for the WWE and

2376
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 5: soap operas, and so he he's just like very well

2377
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:07,800
Speaker 5: versed in a very racist, anti woman high drama. Like

2378
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 5: it's just like what he it's his favorite and I

2379
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 5: hate him and he's so uniquely in control of that world.

2380
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 5: It feels very Vince mcmonish, where you're like, surely someone

2381
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 5: else could do this job, but it's just not not allowed.

2382
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 7: If he's the Vince McMahon of the hot dog world,

2383
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:32,520
Speaker 7: are what are you now in the hot talk world?

2384
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 7: Good question, the study of hot talks.

2385
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 5: I'm one of the people who Vince McMahon covers up

2386
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:48,720
Speaker 5: the murder of I think probably that's eventually me. I'll

2387
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:54,160
Speaker 5: be involved in a very small, suspicious incident in this

2388
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 5: man's life. I don't know. I mean, yeah, Unfortunately, I

2389
02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:01,240
Speaker 5: feel like that's the best shot I have. Uh. It

2390
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:04,800
Speaker 5: was interesting though, when I released an excerpt of my

2391
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:08,640
Speaker 5: book that was about Joey Chessman and there they did

2392
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 5: not run this by me, but they just named the

2393
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 5: excerpt I'm in Love with Joey Chestnut, and I was like, Okay,

2394
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:17,680
Speaker 5: I guess I do say that, but I wouldn't lead

2395
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:22,880
Speaker 5: with it anyways. Uh, the Major League Eating PR team

2396
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 5: reached out to me, and I thought it was going

2397
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:27,720
Speaker 5: to be I was just going to get like reamed,

2398
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:31,640
Speaker 5: but they it was just a light fact correct. It

2399
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:34,680
Speaker 5: was very weird, a little menacing, But I guess that

2400
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 5: they're fine with me calling them evil. They're like, hey,

2401
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 5: when you said we were evil, your number was a

2402
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 5: little bit off, just so you know. And thanks.

2403
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:47,760
Speaker 3: I guess Russ is good for us.

2404
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, knowledge is power, and I changed my mind. I

2405
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:54,680
Speaker 5: think they're great now due to this small fact.

2406
02:11:54,560 --> 02:12:03,280
Speaker 3: Correction ringing ringing endorsements where we're attempting to confirm live

2407
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 3: there is not, in fact a gun behind Jamie's head

2408
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:06,000
Speaker 3: right now.

2409
02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:14,560
Speaker 5: Look, I can't say. I can't say I think the

2410
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:18,120
Speaker 5: two things. Yeah, with the book being out now, it

2411
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:21,680
Speaker 5: feels nice in most ways, and then two ways where

2412
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,040
Speaker 5: I'm like stressed out about it, where I'm like, I'm

2413
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 5: afraid that George sha is going to come for me,

2414
02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 5: and I'm also afraid the entire city of Chicago is

2415
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:29,360
Speaker 5: going to come.

2416
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:31,480
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I want to talk about this because okay,

2417
02:12:31,480 --> 02:12:32,840
Speaker 3: all right, So I'm gonna have to go into witness

2418
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:35,120
Speaker 3: protection after this. But I agree with you that the

2419
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:38,400
Speaker 3: Chagosolt hot Dog is not that good. Yeah, like I

2420
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:42,040
Speaker 3: think on hot Dog is really good. But yeah, there's

2421
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:45,400
Speaker 3: like it doesn't it just it's it gets to soggy

2422
02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 3: pretty quickly. It like the flavors don't necessarily go together.

2423
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 3: Like it's only okay, it's it's it's.

2424
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 5: Wet and there's too much going on, and it's just like, yeah,

2425
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 5: it's a catastrophe. I I well, okay, I'm was promising

2426
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:05,640
Speaker 5: myself I would dial back on Iago hotdogs lander, but

2427
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 5: it's like not, it's not it's not very good. And

2428
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:12,600
Speaker 5: I think the main thing, it wouldn't bother me as

2429
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 5: much if they I'm like those people in Chicago who

2430
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 5: But if the Chicago hot dog loving community was just like, hey,

2431
02:13:24,360 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 5: we have this gross hot dog and we love it,

2432
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 5: that's fine, unbridled enthusiasm for something gross, love it. But

2433
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:35,240
Speaker 5: then they top that up by being like, and if

2434
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:38,520
Speaker 5: you like Ketchup, you should walk into traffic and get

2435
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:42,760
Speaker 5: hit by a car. Like so aggressively hate Ketchup in

2436
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 5: a way that I don't know. I love something disgusting,

2437
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 5: but hating something innocuous is such a weird thing to do.

2438
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:50,320
Speaker 5: It's very bizarre.

2439
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:55,040
Speaker 3: I also got like just absolute whiplash reading this because

2440
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 3: one of these places you go to is the incomprehend

2441
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:03,560
Speaker 3: simply named Fatso's Last Stand, and I was literally there

2442
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,720
Speaker 3: last week by accident, because I know, yeah, so I

2443
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:09,520
Speaker 3: was like an absolute fool. I was trying to travel

2444
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:11,320
Speaker 3: at seven am on two hours of sleep because I

2445
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:13,120
Speaker 3: was writing an episode and I took a bus the

2446
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 3: wrong way and I ended up there and I was like,

2447
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:18,000
Speaker 3: what the fuck have I just walked into? Opened this

2448
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 3: book and I was like, Oh my god, what is

2449
02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:21,800
Speaker 3: happening to me?

2450
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:27,400
Speaker 5: Empty Fatso's Last Stand sounds like a very scary, wominal space.

2451
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:31,120
Speaker 3: It was so a cursive like I was like getting

2452
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 3: off the bus and the bus driver was like, are

2453
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,000
Speaker 3: you sure you want to get off here? And I

2454
02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, well like a like a I don't

2455
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:41,200
Speaker 3: know episode, it was a thing.

2456
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:44,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you find out that Fatso's Last Stand

2457
02:14:44,760 --> 02:14:49,400
Speaker 5: burned down twenty years ago. Did you get anything?

2458
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:50,800
Speaker 3: They weren't open?

2459
02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh?

2460
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:53,480
Speaker 5: Pretty good?

2461
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:53,680
Speaker 3: It was.

2462
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:55,680
Speaker 5: It was pretty good there. And then I've since gone

2463
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:57,920
Speaker 5: back to Chicago because I didn't have time to go

2464
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 5: everywhere I wanted to, And I since on back and

2465
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:04,320
Speaker 5: I do genuinely like the Chicago style hot dog at

2466
02:15:04,360 --> 02:15:07,000
Speaker 5: Red Hot Ranch. I'm a big Red Hot Ranch head.

2467
02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:11,480
Speaker 5: I've converted, but a lot of it is, Yeah, it's

2468
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 5: just bizarre, and the hating the ketchup thing is confusing.

2469
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:18,080
Speaker 5: And then I went to Pittsburgh recently and their Ketchup City, USA,

2470
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:23,440
Speaker 5: and so I was having some interesting conversation and yeah,

2471
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:25,760
Speaker 5: this is what my life is like now I did everything.

2472
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:27,960
Speaker 3: Okay. So there's there's two more various like hot dog

2473
02:15:28,120 --> 02:15:30,400
Speaker 3: questions you need to ask. One is do you have

2474
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:31,360
Speaker 3: portillo takes?

2475
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:36,880
Speaker 5: Ooh not really? I like I like Portillo's and I've

2476
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:41,919
Speaker 5: been in Illinois and I've been in California too. It's

2477
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:45,200
Speaker 5: a classic. It's good it didn't it didn't make it

2478
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:47,480
Speaker 5: into the book because there was like so many hot

2479
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:49,520
Speaker 5: dogs that didn't make it into the book because they're like,

2480
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,480
Speaker 5: all right, that's just you saying, like there were so

2481
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:54,800
Speaker 5: many paragraphs in the road, like and then I had

2482
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:56,560
Speaker 5: this one and I liked it. And then I had

2483
02:15:56,600 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 5: this one and I liked it. So my editor was like,

2484
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:02,360
Speaker 5: all right, we can, we can cut it.

2485
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah we can.

2486
02:16:05,120 --> 02:16:08,160
Speaker 5: I had to cut whole chapters. It's so wild how

2487
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:11,680
Speaker 5: long this book could have been where I not reigned

2488
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:14,720
Speaker 5: in but there was well this is Chicago relevant too.

2489
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 5: I took a two day course called hot Dog University

2490
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:22,200
Speaker 5: through Vienna Beef from this Guy's a thing.

2491
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:25,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to beat that for me.

2492
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:30,480
Speaker 5: Sorry, oh yeah, I'm a graduate of hot Dog University.

2493
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:37,440
Speaker 5: It's a course where you it was on zoom. Unfortunately

2494
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:41,279
Speaker 5: it used to be in person. This is Guy Mark, PhD,

2495
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:45,440
Speaker 5: Professor hot Dogs, and you take the course and he

2496
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:49,000
Speaker 5: teaches you how to open your own hot dog stand

2497
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:50,560
Speaker 5: and over the course of two days. And it was

2498
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 5: actually I learned a lot.

2499
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,480
Speaker 15: How many people were on the zoom.

2500
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:57,080
Speaker 5: There are three people. It was me and two guys

2501
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:02,240
Speaker 5: from Chicago. And I was trying to like be I

2502
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:04,800
Speaker 5: didn't want to say why I was there, so I

2503
02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:07,039
Speaker 5: was trying to like, oh, my name's Jamie, and I'm

2504
02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:11,240
Speaker 5: interested in opening a California hot dog stand. And Mark

2505
02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:13,280
Speaker 5: was really interested in an idea. And it was a

2506
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 5: couple months of me kind of like dodging some emails

2507
02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:19,960
Speaker 5: of like I'm not going to do it. I never

2508
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:22,760
Speaker 5: told them, but I'm not going to do it.

2509
02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:26,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So all right, I need to I got. I'm

2510
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,160
Speaker 3: now conflicted because I have a great hot dog stand pivot.

2511
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:30,640
Speaker 3: But also I want to ask you the second hot

2512
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:32,560
Speaker 3: dog question, which is have you had Japa Dogs?

2513
02:17:33,360 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 5: No, I haven't had Japa dogs yet. I wanted to

2514
02:17:35,720 --> 02:17:36,920
Speaker 5: go because I know that there's like a bunch of

2515
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,640
Speaker 5: there's some Vancouver.

2516
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:41,879
Speaker 3: Is that right, Like I know, yeah, yeah, Canadian Canada codd.

2517
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:46,040
Speaker 3: My my friend in Vancouver keeps insisting I eat it,

2518
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:46,720
Speaker 3: and I refuse.

2519
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:50,560
Speaker 5: I wanted to go to Vancouver and try it because

2520
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 5: like Northwestern hot dogs, there's like there's a lot going

2521
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 5: on there in a good way, Like Portland, Seattle, big

2522
02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:59,720
Speaker 5: fan of their hot dogs. Yeah, I didn't get to

2523
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:02,080
Speaker 5: jack a dog. There are a few places. There was

2524
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:03,760
Speaker 5: a place in Maine I really wanted to go to,

2525
02:18:04,400 --> 02:18:06,200
Speaker 5: but it was so on the side of the highway

2526
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:08,400
Speaker 5: and open two hours a day that it was like

2527
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:12,880
Speaker 5: it would be so logistically hard to be there. But

2528
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 5: working on it. Yeah, I want to go to jap

2529
02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:17,640
Speaker 5: a dog someday. I went to U. I got hot

2530
02:18:17,680 --> 02:18:21,199
Speaker 5: dog poutine in Montreal recently, which I guess is common

2531
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 5: a common poutine make.

2532
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:25,240
Speaker 3: It was great.

2533
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:29,320
Speaker 7: So now that you've dedicated I'm guessing multiple years of

2534
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:30,039
Speaker 7: your life.

2535
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:33,960
Speaker 5: Two years Yeah, ye, not getting those back.

2536
02:18:34,720 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 7: So I guess it's studying both hot dogs and like

2537
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:40,119
Speaker 7: the cultural conditions that are created around them.

2538
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,279
Speaker 3: Do you feel like a better person.

2539
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:45,520
Speaker 16: Ooh?

2540
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:51,920
Speaker 3: Or have you learned something extremely useful about American culture

2541
02:18:51,959 --> 02:18:53,920
Speaker 3: that will improve your life going forward.

2542
02:18:55,240 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 5: Thank you for two alternatives to the question. I said

2543
02:19:00,280 --> 02:19:02,360
Speaker 5: that knowing more about hot dogs didn't make me a

2544
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:05,360
Speaker 5: better person. I think, I hope, And I also I

2545
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:07,959
Speaker 5: think that like I don't know, it's like it feels

2546
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:13,240
Speaker 5: better to or I don't know, like I enjoy my stuff.

2547
02:19:13,360 --> 02:19:16,360
Speaker 5: That it's like you can get to a really dark

2548
02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:20,840
Speaker 5: and serious place, but they seem so innocuous. It's like whatever,

2549
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:24,480
Speaker 5: and getting Hansel and Gretel to come into your candy

2550
02:19:24,560 --> 02:19:27,959
Speaker 5: house and then being like, actually, it's sucking a murder city.

2551
02:19:28,320 --> 02:19:31,440
Speaker 5: Everyone's fucked in here. Like you're gonna have fun for

2552
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:33,959
Speaker 5: a little while, the food is delicious, but then you're

2553
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:37,320
Speaker 5: gonna die. Like I just I like, I like subjects

2554
02:19:37,400 --> 02:19:41,800
Speaker 5: like that and getting to I don't know, I've met

2555
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:44,600
Speaker 5: genuinely when we had the book release show the other night.

2556
02:19:44,959 --> 02:19:47,920
Speaker 5: I've met so many nice people through the hot dog community,

2557
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 5: my my dog community. It's true. I had this guy

2558
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:56,600
Speaker 5: I met in a parking lot in Culver City. He

2559
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,360
Speaker 5: was a Wiener mobile driver at the time, and he

2560
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:02,840
Speaker 5: like his yance. We talked on stage and he was

2561
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:06,440
Speaker 5: reflecting on his Wienermobile heyday and he told me this,

2562
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:10,160
Speaker 5: Oh I'm excited because at the time he was still

2563
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:12,240
Speaker 5: working for Oscar Meyer and I was like, do people

2564
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:14,920
Speaker 5: have sex in here? And he was like, I don't know, probably,

2565
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:18,240
Speaker 5: but now he doesn't work for Oscar Myers. I was like,

2566
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:21,680
Speaker 5: do people have sex in there? You have no loyalty

2567
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:25,200
Speaker 5: at this point, and he was like, okay, well I

2568
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:29,160
Speaker 5: never did. But there is like, there's like six seats

2569
02:20:29,320 --> 02:20:32,040
Speaker 5: in the waitermobile, and I guess on the back left

2570
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:36,000
Speaker 5: it's called the meat seat. And that's where the fuck

2571
02:20:36,879 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 5: the meat seats. I know. It was really it was

2572
02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 5: really shocking, and he's so sweet that it was really

2573
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:49,880
Speaker 5: scary to hear it coming out of his mouth. So

2574
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 5: there is the meat seat. Anyways, I've made a lot

2575
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:56,039
Speaker 5: of nice I've met a lot of nice people through

2576
02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:59,840
Speaker 5: hot dogs, and I've learned stuff I did not know.

2577
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:00,960
Speaker 3: So fun.

2578
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:05,000
Speaker 7: Well, you, you too can become a better person by

2579
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:10,240
Speaker 7: purchasing the book Rock Talk wherever books are sold. One

2580
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:13,520
Speaker 7: actual serious question, have they ever watched the movie Food Fight?

2581
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:14,720
Speaker 10: No?

2582
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,320
Speaker 5: Wait? When? When?

2583
02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:16,560
Speaker 16: Is it?

2584
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:22,400
Speaker 7: From the twenty twelve computer animated movie starring starring supermarket

2585
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:28,400
Speaker 7: food mascots that they and they unite to fight the

2586
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:33,720
Speaker 7: generic brand food products in their grocery store. And there's

2587
02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:36,599
Speaker 7: a lot of really weird na see imagery, really uncomfortable

2588
02:21:36,879 --> 02:21:41,000
Speaker 7: like over sexualization and some of the most some of

2589
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:44,280
Speaker 7: the most garish animation you've ever seen. It's a pretty

2590
02:21:44,320 --> 02:21:44,840
Speaker 7: wild movie.

2591
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:45,240
Speaker 5: It was.

2592
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:47,680
Speaker 3: It was a development for like it was like almost

2593
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:49,120
Speaker 3: like a decade and a half.

2594
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:53,800
Speaker 5: Evil Longoria, Hillary Duff, Oh.

2595
02:21:55,840 --> 02:22:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christer Lloyd plays Plays plays one of the villas.

2596
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:01,840
Speaker 5: It is.

2597
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:04,960
Speaker 3: It is one of the worst like acid trips of

2598
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,040
Speaker 3: a movie, just just because of like it is just

2599
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:07,760
Speaker 3: really bad.

2600
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 15: That is, I have zero records predominantly features hot dogs,

2601
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:15,040
Speaker 15: so I can.

2602
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 5: I mean, hot dogs are certainly prominent on this post there.

2603
02:22:17,879 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 5: I'm just like shocked at them billing the starkest tuna

2604
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 5: above the twinkie. It doesn't make sense to me.

2605
02:22:27,959 --> 02:22:31,680
Speaker 7: Also, there is there is there is a dog character

2606
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:35,880
Speaker 7: who's just like Indiana Jones, but a dog that is

2607
02:22:35,959 --> 02:22:40,320
Speaker 7: also but also in a romantic relationship with a human woman.

2608
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:45,280
Speaker 5: I don't want to know where the Nazi stuff comes in,

2609
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:48,240
Speaker 5: but I am this is so wild because it's like

2610
02:22:48,280 --> 02:22:50,600
Speaker 5: I thought that sausage party was the worst thing to

2611
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:54,120
Speaker 5: happen to this very scary genre, and it like, this

2612
02:22:54,280 --> 02:22:54,600
Speaker 5: is like.

2613
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 3: The dark side of Sausage Party.

2614
02:22:57,000 --> 02:23:02,320
Speaker 5: No, oh my hot. Oh, and there's a maybe there's

2615
02:23:02,400 --> 02:23:05,120
Speaker 5: a sequel Food Fight. It's about time.

2616
02:23:05,959 --> 02:23:07,520
Speaker 3: I've not heard of this.

2617
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,560
Speaker 5: Oh oh, maybe this is fake. No, maybe this is fake.

2618
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:11,320
Speaker 5: I hope it's fake.

2619
02:23:11,800 --> 02:23:12,000
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2620
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:14,360
Speaker 5: This is so ugly Holy no, it is.

2621
02:23:14,480 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 7: It is one of the worst movies ever ever made.

2622
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:21,800
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's garish, it's upsetting, it is weirdly fascistic,

2623
02:23:23,320 --> 02:23:27,640
Speaker 7: and it's also like primarily based around like brand promotion. Also,

2624
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:30,040
Speaker 7: a lot of these big food companies like signed these

2625
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:32,320
Speaker 7: contracts in the late nineties, and of course the film

2626
02:23:32,360 --> 02:23:33,879
Speaker 7: didn't come out until twenty twelve.

2627
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:36,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god. There's a whole bunch of really weird,

2628
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:40,920
Speaker 3: like Food Fight merchandise that was made with all of

2629
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:45,279
Speaker 3: these brand mascots and it's all extremely questionable.

2630
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,520
Speaker 5: That does explain the cast, yeah, because it was like,

2631
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:53,840
Speaker 5: it's a late nineties cast to have Wayne Brady playing Daredevil,

2632
02:23:53,959 --> 02:23:58,840
Speaker 5: band Christopher Lloyd playing mister Clipboard, Chris Catan is in it. Yeah,

2633
02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:01,039
Speaker 5: this movie has been in the me for a long time.

2634
02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:03,600
Speaker 1: Wow, holy ship.

2635
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:06,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, I was just wondering since it is.

2636
02:24:06,480 --> 02:24:11,000
Speaker 7: It is supermarket food hot dog adjacent, and it does

2637
02:24:11,080 --> 02:24:15,760
Speaker 7: does often draw draw draw parallels to Sausage Party, which

2638
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:18,879
Speaker 7: is also obviously one of the most famous hot dog films.

2639
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:21,400
Speaker 4: One of the most famous films.

2640
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:27,040
Speaker 1: I have.

2641
02:24:27,560 --> 02:24:30,680
Speaker 5: I've been wearing them at the shows I have. They

2642
02:24:30,760 --> 02:24:34,520
Speaker 5: did make Halloween costumes for Sausage Party, and they have

2643
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:39,400
Speaker 5: the bun that looks so visceral like the like it

2644
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:42,600
Speaker 5: has like vagina mouse, and then they gave the bun

2645
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:47,040
Speaker 5: huge boobs and a huge butt. Anyways, she's voiced by

2646
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:53,280
Speaker 5: Kristin Wig and I have the costume and I've been

2647
02:24:53,320 --> 02:24:53,680
Speaker 5: wearing it.

2648
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:56,560
Speaker 3: You have the actual costume, Yeah, I have.

2649
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:00,600
Speaker 5: It's it's tonight.

2650
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh god, you're.

2651
02:25:02,480 --> 02:25:03,640
Speaker 15: Wearing it for your book stuff?

2652
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2653
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 5: I love a costume change, especially when it is also

2654
02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:09,119
Speaker 5: a jump scare.

2655
02:25:11,080 --> 02:25:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah wow. Yeah, Well that's incredibly upsetting. That's about

2656
02:25:16,840 --> 02:25:24,160
Speaker 3: all the time we have today, though, Jamie. Where can

2657
02:25:24,200 --> 02:25:26,160
Speaker 3: people find the hot Dog book?

2658
02:25:27,320 --> 02:25:27,480
Speaker 10: Oh?

2659
02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:31,120
Speaker 5: You can find it all over the place, but I

2660
02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:33,959
Speaker 5: would recommend getting it from bookshop dot org if you're

2661
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:37,560
Speaker 5: ordering online. It's a really cool website that will automatically

2662
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:41,040
Speaker 5: purchase from your nearest independent bookstore and send it to you.

2663
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:44,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a pro labor book, so don't buy

2664
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:48,320
Speaker 5: it from somewhere shitty, use your head, but yeah, get it.

2665
02:25:48,400 --> 02:25:51,640
Speaker 5: And there's also I also the audience book if you

2666
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,640
Speaker 5: like many people have been telling me for the past

2667
02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:56,480
Speaker 5: couple of days, or like a book kind of a

2668
02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:00,960
Speaker 5: long podcast in a way, and it's like, sure, it

2669
02:26:01,000 --> 02:26:02,360
Speaker 5: feels great. It feels great to hear.

2670
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:07,080
Speaker 3: And where can people find you on the internet and

2671
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:08,720
Speaker 3: the stuff that you also do that's not the hot

2672
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:09,439
Speaker 3: time book.

2673
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:14,280
Speaker 5: Uh, bravely still on on Twitter at Jamie loftus help

2674
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:18,200
Speaker 5: and Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. And then you can

2675
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 5: listen to me on the Bechdel Cast every week on

2676
02:26:20,879 --> 02:26:22,200
Speaker 5: this very network.

2677
02:26:23,080 --> 02:26:25,520
Speaker 3: Well, I sure hope you cover food Fight in an

2678
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:26,520
Speaker 3: upcoming episode.

2679
02:26:27,959 --> 02:26:30,760
Speaker 5: We just covered Sausage Party, and I think we both

2680
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:32,520
Speaker 5: have PTSD, So.

2681
02:26:33,240 --> 02:26:35,640
Speaker 3: You have like a de talks period first.

2682
02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:40,320
Speaker 5: And then come back with food Fight and by the

2683
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:42,120
Speaker 5: end be like, you know, Sausage Party.

2684
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:46,680
Speaker 3: This is the one you do when the paperback comes out.

2685
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:52,520
Speaker 5: Honestly nice, not the worst idea. I I do want

2686
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:54,440
Speaker 5: to watch this movie now, but I like looking at

2687
02:26:54,480 --> 02:26:55,760
Speaker 5: the poster, I'm like, I don't know if I can

2688
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:58,040
Speaker 5: watch it alone, but I will watch it.

2689
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:01,840
Speaker 3: We can, we can surely plan something.

2690
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:04,640
Speaker 5: Let's do it all right.

2691
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:07,800
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you for coming on and talking about

2692
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:10,720
Speaker 7: hot dogs and labor and all of all of your

2693
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:15,280
Speaker 7: hard work. You can find us on cool Zone Media,

2694
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 7: on most of the Instagrams and twitters and other places.

2695
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:25,280
Speaker 3: And happen here pod keep on dog dog doggin yep.

2696
02:27:25,560 --> 02:27:49,040
Speaker 7: Okay, as they say, as they say, yes, hello, welcome

2697
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:53,480
Speaker 7: to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Recently, I

2698
02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 7: just wrapped up a whole five episodes about the previous

2699
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:01,240
Speaker 7: week of action to stop cop City in Atlanta, Georgia.

2700
02:28:02,320 --> 02:28:06,920
Speaker 7: In a somewhat unsuccessful attempt to shorten the running time

2701
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,880
Speaker 7: of those episodes, I had to cut out many of

2702
02:28:09,959 --> 02:28:14,960
Speaker 7: the funny bits, jokes, gaffs, goofs, bloopers, and related tomfoolery.

2703
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:19,560
Speaker 7: But as demonstrated by the police's massive mobilization to shut

2704
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 7: down a canceled comedy event in the woods on March seventh,

2705
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:27,120
Speaker 7: the Wallani Forest and surrounding area of Atlanta are often

2706
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:31,760
Speaker 7: home to manifestations of absurdist humor. There's been a lot

2707
02:28:31,800 --> 02:28:35,920
Speaker 7: of not great news recently, well there's kind of always

2708
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:38,280
Speaker 7: a lot of not great news now that we live

2709
02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:42,640
Speaker 7: in an ever expanding hyperreality oversaturated with information. But I digress.

2710
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:47,200
Speaker 7: I think it's just as important to not overlook the comedic,

2711
02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:50,200
Speaker 7: lighthearted side of things as it is to keep up

2712
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,640
Speaker 7: with all of the doom and gloom that we usually.

2713
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:57,400
Speaker 3: Platform on our show. So, without further ado, I present

2714
02:28:57,560 --> 02:29:03,920
Speaker 3: to you jokes from the Atlantist side.

2715
02:29:03,959 --> 02:29:09,720
Speaker 7: Note, I am now invoking Jester's privilege legally, everything we

2716
02:29:09,879 --> 02:29:12,840
Speaker 7: say in this episode is a joke as a as

2717
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:15,800
Speaker 7: a little heads up. Okay, this episode will probably make

2718
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:18,040
Speaker 7: more sense if you listened to the four part Week

2719
02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:21,400
Speaker 7: of Action series or the retrospective episode. But also I

2720
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:23,880
Speaker 7: will do my best to pop in via this narration

2721
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:28,000
Speaker 7: to help fill in any gaps so that listeners will

2722
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:30,440
Speaker 7: not be completely lost if you've not listened to those

2723
02:29:30,879 --> 02:29:34,920
Speaker 7: other episodes. Anyway, we shall start by tuning back into

2724
02:29:34,959 --> 02:29:38,840
Speaker 7: my conversation with Matt from the Atlanta Community Press Collective

2725
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:42,680
Speaker 7: as we discuss the March fifth police raid of the

2726
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:49,160
Speaker 7: South River Music Festival. Welcome to it could happen here cast.

2727
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 7: I'm Garrison Davis.

2728
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:53,920
Speaker 2: In World of Warcraft, you can shield bash.

2729
02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:54,120
Speaker 5: So.

2730
02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:00,360
Speaker 3: There's been this effort from police and media to frame

2731
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:03,120
Speaker 3: these arrests as like these were arrests that happened at

2732
02:30:03,160 --> 02:30:06,000
Speaker 3: a crime scene, like these these arrests were people who

2733
02:30:06,080 --> 02:30:09,000
Speaker 3: were torching equipment, who were involved in all these actions,

2734
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:11,680
Speaker 3: who were doing domestic terrorism. But all the rest that

2735
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:14,400
Speaker 3: happened were at a music festival, Like they were in

2736
02:30:14,480 --> 02:30:16,600
Speaker 3: a completely different section of the forest.

2737
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:19,080
Speaker 2: At a music festival, at the parking lot, even away

2738
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:23,240
Speaker 2: from the music festival. And you know, police surveillance may

2739
02:30:23,320 --> 02:30:25,280
Speaker 2: be good, and they may have been able to pick

2740
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:30,120
Speaker 2: out an individual or two, but for the most part,

2741
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,240
Speaker 2: like you had something like two hundred people partake in

2742
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,000
Speaker 2: this direct action and then disappear into the woods, there's

2743
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:40,520
Speaker 2: really no way too And of course most of them

2744
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:42,440
Speaker 2: were wearing block of some form.

2745
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,680
Speaker 3: There's really no way much of that block, which has

2746
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:48,280
Speaker 3: now been burnt and it's no longer existing in the

2747
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:52,520
Speaker 3: physical material realm, so there's no way to like really

2748
02:30:52,680 --> 02:30:57,760
Speaker 3: tell who was there, and other than allegedly having mud

2749
02:30:57,800 --> 02:30:58,320
Speaker 3: on your clothes.

2750
02:30:58,520 --> 02:31:00,560
Speaker 7: Don't want to talk about what the war and were

2751
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:04,959
Speaker 7: in the oddity of how the warrants were formatted.

2752
02:31:05,320 --> 02:31:07,960
Speaker 2: Once you started to listen to them, you noticed this

2753
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:13,000
Speaker 2: very repetitive nature of them. And so about halfway through

2754
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:15,600
Speaker 2: we get to a lawyer who straight up calls out

2755
02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:19,320
Speaker 2: the fact that these warrants seem like they were just

2756
02:31:19,440 --> 02:31:20,519
Speaker 2: copy pasted.

2757
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:25,440
Speaker 3: Like every single person all the way downline. And one

2758
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:29,720
Speaker 3: of the such claims the mud mud.

2759
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:33,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know how many festivals

2760
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:36,520
Speaker 2: you've attended in your life, but I've been to a few,

2761
02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:39,560
Speaker 2: and they are never clean affairs.

2762
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:46,000
Speaker 7: So it rained like one day before the night before

2763
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:49,280
Speaker 7: the festival started, there was a tornado warning in Atlanta.

2764
02:31:50,480 --> 02:31:54,800
Speaker 7: I forgot about that, and there was rain, which makes

2765
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:58,119
Speaker 7: I don't know if the prosecutors know this, but when

2766
02:31:58,280 --> 02:32:00,840
Speaker 7: rain mixes with dirt, it creates something called that we

2767
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:03,720
Speaker 7: that we refer to as mud. My dock martins are

2768
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:07,879
Speaker 7: still caked in mud. Future me cutting back in here

2769
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:11,080
Speaker 7: for a sec. So for the record, I have since

2770
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:15,080
Speaker 7: cleaned my dock Martins, but the mud was still on

2771
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:18,520
Speaker 7: there for well over a month until I was forced

2772
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:21,880
Speaker 7: to wash my shoes after I stepped in much much

2773
02:32:21,959 --> 02:32:25,880
Speaker 7: more mud while in the Tillamook Forest as I was

2774
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:29,920
Speaker 7: failing to shoot Akeeltech, which yeah, that was that was

2775
02:32:29,959 --> 02:32:33,080
Speaker 7: probably my bad. These charges don't make any sense. There's

2776
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:35,680
Speaker 7: no evidence these people committed any actual crimes, so they're

2777
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Speaker 7: just being charged with terrorism. This like nebulous concept. The

2778
02:32:39,879 --> 02:32:42,760
Speaker 7: judge said that the legal basis of these claims will

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02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:46,200
Speaker 7: have to be decided on another day. Similarly, they said

2780
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:49,760
Speaker 7: that in regards to like actual evidence that these people

2781
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:53,280
Speaker 7: charged did any crimes, she said that she had none

2782
02:32:53,320 --> 02:32:55,400
Speaker 7: of this, none of the She said that she had

2783
02:32:55,480 --> 02:32:57,240
Speaker 7: none of this evidence in front of her, and that

2784
02:32:57,320 --> 02:32:58,640
Speaker 7: evidence is for another day.

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Speaker 3: So it's absolutely I think bonkers is an appropriate word.

2786
02:33:04,280 --> 02:33:06,520
Speaker 3: One of those one of those kangaroo court moments.

2787
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:10,480
Speaker 2: It really my faith in the legal system was really

2788
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:13,640
Speaker 2: solidified this day. There was also the threat of arrest

2789
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:17,160
Speaker 2: for the New York Times reporter that happened forgot to

2790
02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:25,360
Speaker 2: mention that, So yeah, I'll leave that commentary by itself.

2791
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:27,360
Speaker 7: They should have they should have charged Sean Keenan with

2792
02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:31,879
Speaker 7: domestic terrorism. Sorry for making fun of noted trans ally

2793
02:33:32,080 --> 02:33:35,000
Speaker 7: the New York Times. I promise it won't happen again.

2794
02:33:35,800 --> 02:33:38,320
Speaker 7: Wait wait, no, that's that's a lie. That there's at

2795
02:33:38,400 --> 02:33:41,199
Speaker 7: least two more New York Times jokes.

2796
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:41,720
Speaker 3: In this script.

2797
02:33:41,879 --> 02:33:50,359
Speaker 7: Fuck, I guess let's talk about Monday, Monday, Monday, So, uh, don't.

2798
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:54,640
Speaker 10: It is the editor?

2799
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:57,520
Speaker 2: No, Daniel, Daniel, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

2800
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:59,920
Speaker 3: He's not going to hear any of this ship. I'm

2801
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:02,240
Speaker 3: because the way these work as I transcribe them and

2802
02:34:02,280 --> 02:34:04,440
Speaker 3: then I copy and paste sections, so they only move

2803
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:05,119
Speaker 3: the section over.

2804
02:34:05,360 --> 02:34:10,840
Speaker 2: So when I when I say, ask Garrison about okay.

2805
02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:14,000
Speaker 3: So it turns out that was a lie. Daniel did

2806
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:18,280
Speaker 3: need to hear that. So sorry, danel full full transparency.

2807
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:22,879
Speaker 3: Most of those bleeps were me making horrible, horrible slurping

2808
02:34:22,959 --> 02:34:26,200
Speaker 3: noises into the microphone, as Daniel can probably attest. So

2809
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:29,040
Speaker 3: really all of you should be thanking Daniel for suffering

2810
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:32,520
Speaker 3: through those to bleep them out. Daniel died for your sins,

2811
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean content truly, truly, braver than the troops.

2812
02:34:35,800 --> 02:34:39,680
Speaker 7: Insert joke. Anyway, back to me from the past. So

2813
02:34:39,959 --> 02:34:42,440
Speaker 7: let's talk about let's talk about Monday. I want to

2814
02:34:42,440 --> 02:34:44,840
Speaker 7: talk about the clergy event that happened in from a

2815
02:34:44,879 --> 02:34:48,280
Speaker 7: city hall, so city council meeting. You work for the

2816
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:52,160
Speaker 7: Atlantic Community Press Collective. You've you've covered a lot of

2817
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:55,119
Speaker 7: city council meetings in Atlanta before. This was my first

2818
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:59,800
Speaker 7: time covering an Atlanta City Council meeting. Due to your

2819
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:02,720
Speaker 7: know wisdom in this in this field, I would like

2820
02:35:02,760 --> 02:35:06,240
Speaker 7: for you to to discuss what happened at the city

2821
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 7: Council meeting and in relation to your to your to

2822
02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:13,320
Speaker 7: your years of experience in covering these these uh these meetings.

2823
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:18,080
Speaker 2: So I city council meets every other week on Mondays.

2824
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:22,760
Speaker 2: I cover several other committees, but uh, you know, the

2825
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:25,840
Speaker 2: big one is always the city Council meeting. And over

2826
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:28,640
Speaker 2: over the course of time, there there's like a cast

2827
02:35:28,680 --> 02:35:32,400
Speaker 2: of characters that that you just begin to understand are

2828
02:35:32,480 --> 02:35:35,800
Speaker 2: going to appear either every week or or from time

2829
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:39,240
Speaker 2: to time. And you you had the pleasure of actually

2830
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:40,840
Speaker 2: getting to see a few of these and I was like,

2831
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:42,640
Speaker 2: there were we were there were a few of us

2832
02:35:43,080 --> 02:35:46,320
Speaker 2: media folks there, and I was actually really happy that

2833
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:48,320
Speaker 2: like people got to experience this with me because I

2834
02:35:48,400 --> 02:35:51,160
Speaker 2: usually have to do it by myself. So you got

2835
02:35:51,200 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 2: to meet three of the characters. You got to meet

2836
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:56,760
Speaker 2: Brother Hakim, you got to meet Rachel, and you got

2837
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:58,760
Speaker 2: to be your favorite chef doctor.

2838
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,000
Speaker 7: So this is just somebody who everyone refers to as

2839
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:05,840
Speaker 7: chef Doctor. He is dressed up as what you can

2840
02:36:05,879 --> 02:36:09,080
Speaker 7: only describe as a chef doctor some wondering half of

2841
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:12,320
Speaker 7: a chef's outfit, half of a doctor's outfit. He had

2842
02:36:12,400 --> 02:36:15,600
Speaker 7: a Freemason pin on his shirt, because of course he did.

2843
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:19,720
Speaker 7: And I just like watched him for a while, because

2844
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,440
Speaker 7: like initially in the city council meeting, they were just

2845
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:25,800
Speaker 7: like handing out awards to, like the proclamation, the proclamations

2846
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:28,120
Speaker 7: and awards to like various people, including like former city

2847
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:33,560
Speaker 7: council members, like whatever. And then eventually public comments started,

2848
02:36:34,480 --> 02:36:40,840
Speaker 7: and I guess, let's let's talk about chef doctor so well, no,

2849
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:44,960
Speaker 7: so for the entirety of the city council meeting. During

2850
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:49,080
Speaker 7: the proclamations, in the back, in the back of the

2851
02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:54,000
Speaker 7: back of city Council, there was this large red like

2852
02:36:54,520 --> 02:36:57,120
Speaker 7: like heart just sitting sitting in the back.

2853
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:01,320
Speaker 2: But it looked like Bob the Tomato from the it looked.

2854
02:37:01,640 --> 02:37:03,240
Speaker 3: That was exactly what I thought.

2855
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:05,520
Speaker 7: I like, this heart, Like, why is there this Bob

2856
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:09,200
Speaker 7: the Tomato ass heart mascot just sitting in the back

2857
02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:11,760
Speaker 7: of city council. No one was inside the costume. It

2858
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:14,240
Speaker 7: was just like the heart sitting there next to like

2859
02:37:14,400 --> 02:37:17,560
Speaker 7: another massive heart made up of like flowers.

2860
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:18,840
Speaker 3: I saw.

2861
02:37:18,840 --> 02:37:20,320
Speaker 7: I was kind of confused for why that was there.

2862
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:22,720
Speaker 7: There was like a pediatric surgeon that got like one

2863
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:24,520
Speaker 7: of the awards, and like, oh, maybe the heart's there

2864
02:37:24,680 --> 02:37:27,320
Speaker 7: because of like because of like heart surgery or something.

2865
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:27,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2866
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:30,880
Speaker 2: No, No, that would make sense. And you have to

2867
02:37:31,480 --> 02:37:34,440
Speaker 2: you have to get out of that mindset for public

2868
02:37:34,480 --> 02:37:35,640
Speaker 2: comment for the most part.

2869
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 3: So then chef doctor gets ten minutes of public comment.

2870
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:43,400
Speaker 2: So we should explain that mechanism. Everyone who signs up

2871
02:37:43,400 --> 02:37:46,240
Speaker 2: for public comment gets two minutes. You can award your

2872
02:37:46,320 --> 02:37:48,280
Speaker 2: time or give over your time to somebody else. So

2873
02:37:48,480 --> 02:37:50,959
Speaker 2: there were four other people who gave their time over

2874
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:53,640
Speaker 2: to chef doctor to give him ten minutes, and he

2875
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:55,720
Speaker 2: used all ten minutes.

2876
02:37:56,560 --> 02:38:01,640
Speaker 7: And so what was chef doctor trying to get out

2877
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:04,320
Speaker 7: of the city? Why was he giving public.

2878
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,280
Speaker 2: Heart So a shout out to chef doctor. Okay, like

2879
02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:10,360
Speaker 2: his Chef doctor wants to create a soul food museum

2880
02:38:10,920 --> 02:38:13,440
Speaker 2: in the West side of Atlanta, and and he's she's

2881
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:16,400
Speaker 2: shown up a few times to kind of ask city

2882
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:19,840
Speaker 2: council for money, and as far as I know, that

2883
02:38:19,959 --> 02:38:23,959
Speaker 2: has gone nowhere. But that was what he is ostensibly

2884
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:30,080
Speaker 2: there for today. However, beyond just the heart, the dancing,

2885
02:38:30,879 --> 02:38:34,039
Speaker 2: we haven't got there yet. However, beyond just the big

2886
02:38:34,120 --> 02:38:37,520
Speaker 2: red heart, and like the paper mache flower heart, he

2887
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:38,920
Speaker 2: brought a.

2888
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:43,000
Speaker 7: Floutist, a floutest. So a floutist is someone who plays

2889
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:45,920
Speaker 7: the flute. If you are like an uncultured person, who's

2890
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:49,280
Speaker 7: who's who's listening to this? And he walked up to

2891
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:53,200
Speaker 7: the microphone and then for five minutes he got a

2892
02:38:53,240 --> 02:38:57,680
Speaker 7: floutist to play a flute cover of amazing Grace.

2893
02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:01,360
Speaker 2: Yes, but but he had back muse from a laptop

2894
02:39:01,480 --> 02:39:04,280
Speaker 2: that just kind of appeared up nowhere, and so he

2895
02:39:04,400 --> 02:39:05,439
Speaker 2: played into the microphone.

2896
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:11,480
Speaker 7: They played this funeral song as as this now heart

2897
02:39:11,560 --> 02:39:15,840
Speaker 7: that's been brought to life, it starts dancing.

2898
02:39:15,800 --> 02:39:19,840
Speaker 3: Starts dancing. So this person wearing like heart pajama pants

2899
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:23,920
Speaker 3: changed into this hard question at some point. I didn't

2900
02:39:23,959 --> 02:39:26,039
Speaker 3: see them change into this. I don't know how this happened.

2901
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:27,000
Speaker 3: I must have missed it.

2902
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:28,320
Speaker 2: With City Council Magic.

2903
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:29,039
Speaker 13: Next will be.

2904
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Chef doctor Kenneth Wilhoyt.

2905
02:39:32,879 --> 02:39:35,160
Speaker 13: You'll have ten minutes due to yield in time.

2906
02:39:35,800 --> 02:39:37,080
Speaker 2: Chef, let's go ahead and get started.

2907
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:38,760
Speaker 3: My name is.

2908
02:39:40,920 --> 02:39:44,680
Speaker 14: A chef doctor Kenneth Wilhoyd. I'm the president of the

2909
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:51,879
Speaker 14: Soul Food Museum and the Soul Food University.

2910
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:59,200
Speaker 17: We are celebrating a twentieth anniversary and we are asking

2911
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:03,800
Speaker 17: for the City Council and an honorable mayor to get

2912
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:12,080
Speaker 17: behind us and support us with donating a museum space,

2913
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:16,879
Speaker 17: building and land with parking in the city of Atlanta.

2914
02:40:16,959 --> 02:40:20,840
Speaker 14: For our tourists that come here to have a place

2915
02:40:20,920 --> 02:40:28,440
Speaker 14: to come and experience our hospitality agriculture Service of Atlanta.

2916
02:40:28,840 --> 02:40:32,920
Speaker 14: I'm gonna sell quick prayer because I'm spirit lid. I

2917
02:40:33,080 --> 02:40:35,920
Speaker 14: do things by spirit. I'm at that age you know

2918
02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:40,640
Speaker 14: it's not about me, it's about the spirit. Now we'll

2919
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:44,640
Speaker 14: have a song that was selected by the spirit of

2920
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:47,440
Speaker 14: the ancestors, not by me, but by the spirit of

2921
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:49,640
Speaker 14: the ancestors. I asked God to say, Hey, God, what

2922
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:53,280
Speaker 14: songs should we introduce today? This is the one that was.

2923
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:11,920
Speaker 3: But this, this guy in the heart costume walks up

2924
02:41:12,200 --> 02:41:15,160
Speaker 3: and he starts like kind of dancing to this float

2925
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:19,240
Speaker 3: music for five minutes. Talk about the dancing.

2926
02:41:20,680 --> 02:41:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it was so much dancing as a

2927
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:25,520
Speaker 2: swaying with a little bit of hand motion along with

2928
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:26,039
Speaker 2: the swang.

2929
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:28,440
Speaker 10: But like I.

2930
02:41:29,320 --> 02:41:30,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting it.

2931
02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:33,720
Speaker 3: I thought some would like dosed me with hallucinogens.

2932
02:41:33,800 --> 02:41:38,440
Speaker 2: I did, actually I had. There were some streps of LSD.

2933
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:41,000
Speaker 2: I put them in your water bottle when you went looking.

2934
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:43,440
Speaker 3: This explained so much about what happened on Monday.

2935
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:47,960
Speaker 2: No, it would make much more sense if that's what happened. Unfortunately,

2936
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:52,640
Speaker 2: Atlanta is a cartoon town and that's not what happened.

2937
02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:53,520
Speaker 2: This was real life.

2938
02:41:54,360 --> 02:41:57,840
Speaker 7: So this, this this float cover of Amazing Grace played

2939
02:41:57,879 --> 02:42:00,960
Speaker 7: for five minutes with along with the dancing Heart, and

2940
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:03,879
Speaker 7: then we finally got to public comment for the reason

2941
02:42:04,120 --> 02:42:06,560
Speaker 7: for the reason for the reason for why we were there.

2942
02:42:07,360 --> 02:42:10,920
Speaker 7: Not only were we blessed with that stunning rendition of

2943
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:15,640
Speaker 7: amazing Grace, the floutist himself was was briefly able to

2944
02:42:15,720 --> 02:42:20,200
Speaker 7: address the city Council before President Dave Shipman rudely, very

2945
02:42:20,400 --> 02:42:23,120
Speaker 7: very rudely called time amazing.

2946
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:27,440
Speaker 3: It's such a sort that made the world.

2947
02:42:28,400 --> 02:42:29,080
Speaker 5: So that's.

2948
02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:45,280
Speaker 7: Okay, and we are back. And just as a note,

2949
02:42:45,280 --> 02:42:46,720
Speaker 7: I forgot to put this in the script, so I'm

2950
02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:49,880
Speaker 7: going to say it now. It turns out that that

2951
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:53,120
Speaker 7: heart costume that was quote unquote dancing to the music

2952
02:42:53,640 --> 02:42:56,640
Speaker 7: that's actually rentable. You can rent that in Atlanta. So

2953
02:42:56,800 --> 02:42:59,520
Speaker 7: I I have some really good ideas for the next

2954
02:43:00,440 --> 02:43:04,520
Speaker 7: for the next week of action, since we could rent

2955
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:07,600
Speaker 7: more more bouncy castles and also that hard costume. I

2956
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:09,960
Speaker 7: think there's a lot of potential, extremely funny things that

2957
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:13,760
Speaker 7: that could happen. Anyway, back to my conversation with Matt

2958
02:43:14,120 --> 02:43:16,199
Speaker 7: from the Atlantic Community Press Collective.

2959
02:43:16,320 --> 02:43:19,360
Speaker 2: There are a couple like things to note about how

2960
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:22,760
Speaker 2: city council public comment works. City council doesn't tend to

2961
02:43:22,760 --> 02:43:27,240
Speaker 2: pay attention to them Oessensibly the only one who pays

2962
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:30,160
Speaker 2: attention is City Council President Doug Shipman, because it is

2963
02:43:30,200 --> 02:43:31,880
Speaker 2: his job to call time and to call up the

2964
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:35,119
Speaker 2: next person. But you know, city councilors will like step

2965
02:43:35,160 --> 02:43:37,120
Speaker 2: in and out of the room, get something to eat

2966
02:43:38,120 --> 02:43:40,280
Speaker 2: during the seventeen hours of public comment for cop city,

2967
02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:43,200
Speaker 2: like one of them held a press conference like it is.

2968
02:43:43,360 --> 02:43:46,120
Speaker 3: It is weird. How they're like legally allowed to not

2969
02:43:46,280 --> 02:43:48,160
Speaker 3: pay attention like that is that is bizarre.

2970
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:50,640
Speaker 2: You would you would you would think that if you

2971
02:43:51,800 --> 02:43:53,360
Speaker 2: allegedly work for the people, like.

2972
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:55,280
Speaker 3: You would you have to actually listen to them.

2973
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:59,320
Speaker 2: So amongst the city Council. There are two in particular,

2974
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:02,879
Speaker 2: I'm glad you got to see there. There's Mary Norwood,

2975
02:44:02,920 --> 02:44:07,000
Speaker 2: who represents Buckhead, and then there's Dustin Hillis, who is

2976
02:44:07,120 --> 02:44:11,680
Speaker 2: the the committee chair for the Public Safety Legal Administration Committee.

2977
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:14,440
Speaker 2: So he's basically in charge of police here.

2978
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:21,120
Speaker 1: Throwing molotov cocktails at officers and damaging millions of dollars of.

2979
02:44:21,160 --> 02:44:25,160
Speaker 3: Equipment, and he gives off that vibe and neither one

2980
02:44:25,240 --> 02:44:26,240
Speaker 3: of them will pay attention.

2981
02:44:26,800 --> 02:44:29,040
Speaker 7: They were, they were on their phone from almost the

2982
02:44:29,240 --> 02:44:33,520
Speaker 7: entire time I was there. The the the Buckhead woman

2983
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:39,680
Speaker 7: gave off ontologically evil vibe. Like I I did not

2984
02:44:39,879 --> 02:44:41,440
Speaker 7: know like who she was when I went to the

2985
02:44:41,480 --> 02:44:44,080
Speaker 7: City Council, but once I saw her, I was like, oh, okay,

2986
02:44:44,160 --> 02:44:47,600
Speaker 7: this person is like obviously evil, right, And I asked

2987
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:49,840
Speaker 7: people about it afterwards, like oh, yes, that is a

2988
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,320
Speaker 7: person that represents Bucket. I'm like, okay, yes, of course,

2989
02:44:52,400 --> 02:44:54,520
Speaker 7: of course, Bucket of course.

2990
02:44:54,360 --> 02:44:58,280
Speaker 2: Being the like primarily white neighborhood in North Atlanta, that

2991
02:44:59,400 --> 02:45:02,120
Speaker 2: part of it wan to secede from the city, and

2992
02:45:02,879 --> 02:45:07,680
Speaker 2: that's a whole, Yes, that is a whole another issue.

2993
02:45:07,720 --> 02:45:11,400
Speaker 2: But to kind of give context of what Buckhead is redlining.

2994
02:45:11,720 --> 02:45:14,600
Speaker 10: That's not a question, that's just a observation.

2995
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:17,879
Speaker 2: And so sitting directly next to her is Dustin Hillis,

2996
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:21,400
Speaker 2: who is known for not paying attention.

2997
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:25,880
Speaker 3: Ever, except except they did both pay attention after public

2998
02:45:25,959 --> 02:45:29,400
Speaker 3: comment when police gave their testimony on what happened to

2999
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:33,680
Speaker 3: the night previous, and then these two people were very engaged.

3000
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:37,960
Speaker 3: We will hear more from Mary Norwood ontologically evil in

3001
02:45:38,080 --> 02:45:41,160
Speaker 3: a in a bit, but first I have to saw

3002
02:45:42,760 --> 02:45:51,360
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ fucking fuck Jesus. My cats are just running

3003
02:45:51,400 --> 02:45:52,560
Speaker 3: a muck all right.

3004
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:56,520
Speaker 7: We will hear more from Mary Norwood ontologically evil in

3005
02:45:56,640 --> 02:45:59,360
Speaker 7: a bit, but first I have to I have to

3006
02:46:00,440 --> 02:46:04,960
Speaker 7: some of Councilman Antonio Lewis's response after Police Chief Darren

3007
02:46:05,000 --> 02:46:08,240
Speaker 7: Cherbaum gave his little presentation at City Council. Because I

3008
02:46:08,320 --> 02:46:11,400
Speaker 7: don't think I've ever heard January sixth, the Atlanta Way,

3009
02:46:11,480 --> 02:46:14,520
Speaker 7: and six Flags all get mentioned in the same sentence

3010
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:15,640
Speaker 7: before they.

3011
02:46:15,640 --> 02:46:19,840
Speaker 16: Looked like January sixth. I ain't never seen police run

3012
02:46:20,040 --> 02:46:22,440
Speaker 16: from a group of people, and so the only thing

3013
02:46:22,480 --> 02:46:24,240
Speaker 16: I could think about when I saw that video. I

3014
02:46:24,320 --> 02:46:27,520
Speaker 16: saw it on atl scoop, the videos all out there.

3015
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:29,760
Speaker 16: I've been seeing it all over and when I saw

3016
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:33,360
Speaker 16: the police officers run, I mean I was a little nervous.

3017
02:46:33,440 --> 02:46:35,840
Speaker 16: When I saw the heat map, I saw one hundred

3018
02:46:35,879 --> 02:46:40,120
Speaker 16: people I saw, I saw it. I mean like that

3019
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:42,520
Speaker 16: ain't the Atlanta wait, I mean, I ain't never seen.

3020
02:46:42,879 --> 02:46:44,640
Speaker 16: I'm just thinking about the At the same time, at

3021
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:47,000
Speaker 16: six Flags, we had some young men that were fighting,

3022
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:50,039
Speaker 16: some of our teenagers fighting at six Flags.

3023
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:51,560
Speaker 3: They didn't run up on the police.

3024
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:54,720
Speaker 16: They didn't run up on the police with molotail malor

3025
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:58,000
Speaker 16: tail cocktails throwing to burn up stuff. What I will say,

3026
02:46:58,040 --> 02:47:00,680
Speaker 16: I thank you so much for last night for working.

3027
02:47:00,959 --> 02:47:04,840
Speaker 16: I want to really commend officers because y'all were under

3028
02:47:04,879 --> 02:47:08,360
Speaker 16: some immense pressure. And to not see a gun fire

3029
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:12,600
Speaker 16: back because when I see the firecrackers, I'm from Cleveland Avenue.

3030
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:17,039
Speaker 16: If they throw firecrackers at me, I don't know those firecrackers.

3031
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:20,320
Speaker 16: I've never seen that. So I appreciate APD for doing that.

3032
02:47:21,280 --> 02:47:27,480
Speaker 7: Truly, truly a stunning admission, just just perfect. So I

3033
02:47:27,680 --> 02:47:31,080
Speaker 7: had to listen to Atlanta Police Chief Darren Sheerbaum's testimony

3034
02:47:31,440 --> 02:47:34,240
Speaker 7: a few times for the five episodes that were released

3035
02:47:34,280 --> 02:47:38,080
Speaker 7: earlier this month, so I didn't really feel like fully

3036
02:47:38,160 --> 02:47:41,000
Speaker 7: listening through again to find any funny bits to put

3037
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:43,760
Speaker 7: in this episode. So I just kind of like skimmed

3038
02:47:43,840 --> 02:47:48,480
Speaker 7: through while multitasking, and weirdly enough, I noticed that the

3039
02:47:48,600 --> 02:47:51,280
Speaker 7: chief said some pretty shocking things that I somehow just

3040
02:47:51,480 --> 02:47:54,800
Speaker 7: must have missed in my previous viewings. So I will

3041
02:47:54,840 --> 02:47:57,880
Speaker 7: play those for you now, and I will warn you

3042
02:47:58,040 --> 02:48:01,080
Speaker 7: it is. It is pretty disturbing. Like all the subjects

3043
02:48:01,320 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 7: we put on air, their statements do not reflect our

3044
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:07,000
Speaker 7: opinions or the official position held by whatever current company

3045
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:10,520
Speaker 7: owns this podcast. So yeah, like I said, well warning,

3046
02:48:10,680 --> 02:48:13,040
Speaker 7: these are shocking, but I will let the chief speak

3047
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:13,640
Speaker 7: for himself.

3048
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:17,720
Speaker 18: Take aggressive action against these officers, move to the front gate,

3049
02:48:18,280 --> 02:48:22,280
Speaker 18: more accelerant, inflict vitally harm upon them, launch illegal and

3050
02:48:22,400 --> 02:48:26,480
Speaker 18: criminal attacks to attack members of law enforcement, bring harm

3051
02:48:26,959 --> 02:48:30,120
Speaker 18: to our officers. These attacks are going to continue.

3052
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:34,480
Speaker 7: Pretty pretty shocking stuff coming from a police chief to Jesus,

3053
02:48:34,959 --> 02:48:38,200
Speaker 7: But that is only the tip of the iceberg. Because

3054
02:48:39,400 --> 02:48:43,240
Speaker 7: to my surprise, after public COVID was over and all

3055
02:48:43,280 --> 02:48:46,080
Speaker 7: the news cameras left after I left, and you know,

3056
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:50,560
Speaker 7: everyone left the building, it turns out Darren Sheerbaum gave

3057
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:53,760
Speaker 7: a second testimony at the very end of the City

3058
02:48:53,800 --> 02:48:58,280
Speaker 7: Council meeting that I just completely missed until now, so

3059
02:48:59,040 --> 02:49:01,520
Speaker 7: I will warn you it is kind of leud in nature.

3060
02:49:01,720 --> 02:49:04,840
Speaker 7: So if you want to skip past lewd police conduct,

3061
02:49:05,240 --> 02:49:07,800
Speaker 7: just fast forward like a minute or two. But anyway,

3062
02:49:08,200 --> 02:49:12,600
Speaker 7: without further ado, here is the secret recently unearthed second

3063
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:16,920
Speaker 7: testimony presented by Atlanta Police Chief Darren Sheerbaum.

3064
02:49:17,480 --> 02:49:19,720
Speaker 18: Presidentship and members of the Council would like to brief

3065
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:22,480
Speaker 18: you on events that transpired yesterday. I'm going to let

3066
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:24,840
Speaker 18: the video play here. Why I walk through each of

3067
02:49:24,879 --> 02:49:27,400
Speaker 18: the situations. What you see here is of our partners

3068
02:49:27,440 --> 02:49:30,880
Speaker 18: at the Decab County Police Department, the Sheriff of Fulton County,

3069
02:49:31,280 --> 02:49:34,480
Speaker 18: as well as the Georgia State Patrol. We're seeing changing

3070
02:49:34,600 --> 02:49:36,760
Speaker 18: out of the clothes that they were wearing. They're going

3071
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:38,880
Speaker 18: to position themselves when it appears to be an attempt

3072
02:49:38,920 --> 02:49:42,080
Speaker 18: to keep pursuing the officers. This is the officers see these.

3073
02:49:42,280 --> 02:49:44,720
Speaker 18: We had a rapid response from our partners as well

3074
02:49:44,760 --> 02:49:48,400
Speaker 18: as to change their clothing. Different groups were performing acts

3075
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:51,960
Speaker 18: within the manner of their training and their discipline at

3076
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:56,000
Speaker 18: this time. Our officers repositioning themselves inside of our partners.

3077
02:49:56,920 --> 02:49:59,720
Speaker 18: These officers had been stationary to ensure that they are

3078
02:49:59,800 --> 02:50:04,040
Speaker 18: being restrained. The officers are on city property and are

3079
02:50:04,120 --> 02:50:08,600
Speaker 18: positioning themselves and repositioned themselves to be prepared to go

3080
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:11,880
Speaker 18: back in. Our officers are showing great restraint. They remained

3081
02:50:11,879 --> 02:50:15,040
Speaker 18: in a position. It's what you see here is a

3082
02:50:15,120 --> 02:50:19,240
Speaker 18: lieutenant that is discharging. We're very fortunate that that was

3083
02:50:19,320 --> 02:50:22,040
Speaker 18: the outcome, and I want to commend every man and

3084
02:50:22,120 --> 02:50:25,520
Speaker 18: woman on duty yesterday as they stood in the gap

3085
02:50:25,600 --> 02:50:30,280
Speaker 18: to do their job, those officers entered our partners, and

3086
02:50:30,440 --> 02:50:32,720
Speaker 18: what you see here, ladies and gentlemen, is as some

3087
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:36,400
Speaker 18: of the individuals that had just previously had entered into

3088
02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:40,040
Speaker 18: those officers, they start changing back into the clothes that

3089
02:50:40,120 --> 02:50:43,600
Speaker 18: they were just wearing moments before. Just last night, officers

3090
02:50:43,640 --> 02:50:45,880
Speaker 18: of this department, as well as the Cab County to

3091
02:50:45,879 --> 02:50:48,640
Speaker 18: the Georgia State Patrol and the Sheriff's Department moved in.

3092
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,960
Speaker 18: And I want to think of the men and women

3093
02:50:51,000 --> 02:50:53,199
Speaker 18: again of the Atlanta Police Department, the Georgia State Patrol,

3094
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:55,680
Speaker 18: the Sheriff's Department, as well as the the Cap County

3095
02:50:55,680 --> 02:51:00,160
Speaker 18: Police Department for the professionalism that they demonstrated through the

3096
02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:02,879
Speaker 18: night and to the early hours of this morning while

3097
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:04,879
Speaker 18: many of us were asleep, they continue to work through

3098
02:51:04,879 --> 02:51:05,160
Speaker 18: the night.

3099
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:08,720
Speaker 16: I've never seen that, so I appreciate APD for doing that.

3100
02:51:09,720 --> 02:51:12,320
Speaker 10: I would have loved for every one of those very

3101
02:51:12,400 --> 02:51:15,520
Speaker 10: hysterical people that we've been sitting listening to for two

3102
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:20,040
Speaker 10: or three hours to have seen an actual video of

3103
02:51:20,120 --> 02:51:22,960
Speaker 10: what really did happen. And there may be great reasons

3104
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:25,520
Speaker 10: if the administration chose to do it this way, but

3105
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:28,520
Speaker 10: our media is gone and all the people that needed

3106
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:29,520
Speaker 10: to see this are gone.

3107
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:33,200
Speaker 5: I'm glad that nobody was hurt and none of our

3108
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:34,320
Speaker 5: employees were hurt yesterday.

3109
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:40,120
Speaker 7: Oh boy, whoa uh well that was That was certainly

3110
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:42,760
Speaker 7: something I did not did not want to know that

3111
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:45,920
Speaker 7: much about what the the APD and their partners get

3112
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:50,600
Speaker 7: up to after hours. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled comedic,

3113
02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:55,560
Speaker 7: James I know A. Sheerbaum was addressed with some questions

3114
02:51:56,160 --> 02:52:00,240
Speaker 7: by Unicorn Riot when he was trying to exit, which

3115
02:52:00,280 --> 02:52:02,959
Speaker 7: he then denied. He hea have a very frustrated face

3116
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:06,519
Speaker 7: and then denied answering and promptly left the building.

3117
02:52:06,879 --> 02:52:09,600
Speaker 2: Well in the company of the New York Times journalist

3118
02:52:09,879 --> 02:52:11,280
Speaker 2: Oh with With with.

3119
02:52:11,440 --> 02:52:14,240
Speaker 7: A friend of the show Sean Keenan. So that was

3120
02:52:14,400 --> 02:52:17,240
Speaker 7: that was a That was most of Monday. Yeah, that

3121
02:52:17,360 --> 02:52:18,440
Speaker 7: is everything that happened on Monday.

3122
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:22,720
Speaker 2: So what Monday evening I went home to start working

3123
02:52:22,760 --> 02:52:24,080
Speaker 2: on article. What did you do, Guaryson?

3124
02:52:24,160 --> 02:52:26,360
Speaker 7: I went to the Perham in the Woods. I got

3125
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:31,960
Speaker 7: to share my memory of the veggie tails esther story

3126
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:35,080
Speaker 7: starring the tickle monsters. I got to bond with a

3127
02:52:35,080 --> 02:52:37,920
Speaker 7: few expangelicals about that, so that was fine. Then there

3128
02:52:37,959 --> 02:52:40,640
Speaker 7: was an experimental noise show in the forest.

3129
02:52:41,160 --> 02:52:44,600
Speaker 2: And then you had a tragic neck injury on Monday night.

3130
02:52:45,280 --> 02:52:47,600
Speaker 3: So Tuesday, the.

3131
02:52:47,800 --> 02:52:50,480
Speaker 2: Group that we followed left out of the church and

3132
02:52:50,680 --> 02:52:54,320
Speaker 2: went to Norfolk Southern, which is one of the funders

3133
02:52:54,360 --> 02:52:59,200
Speaker 2: of APF and UH Friend of the Environment in Ohio.

3134
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:02,200
Speaker 2: When they finished reading the letter, like all they asked

3135
02:53:02,360 --> 02:53:05,120
Speaker 2: was that the letter go to the CEO. Yep, And

3136
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:08,440
Speaker 2: they denied that and all they had to do was

3137
02:53:08,440 --> 02:53:09,960
Speaker 2: accept it and and move on.

3138
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:15,840
Speaker 3: But they while people were inside the security called ns Police.

3139
02:53:16,280 --> 02:53:19,280
Speaker 3: And if you're wondering, you're like, you know, NS Police.

3140
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:23,240
Speaker 3: That isn't the city in Atlanta, what could that be?

3141
02:53:23,480 --> 02:53:26,160
Speaker 3: That is the Norfolk Southern Police, who are legally allowed

3142
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:27,240
Speaker 3: to arrest people.

3143
02:53:27,480 --> 02:53:30,960
Speaker 2: And we we thankfully we avoided going to Norfolk Southern

3144
02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:36,800
Speaker 2: Police Jail, going to Norfolk Southern Court, which certainly would

3145
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:39,280
Speaker 2: have been a very legitimate court, so.

3146
02:53:39,760 --> 02:53:41,800
Speaker 7: It would have been almost as legitimate as the real

3147
02:53:41,879 --> 02:53:45,200
Speaker 7: court that that the bail hearings happened at. That same day,

3148
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:51,120
Speaker 7: after successfully evading Norfolk Southern Jail, Matt and I headed

3149
02:53:51,280 --> 02:53:54,320
Speaker 7: downtown for a march that was accompanied by a cadre

3150
02:53:54,520 --> 02:53:59,320
Speaker 7: of over one hundred officers. Pinning this crowd onto the sidewalk.

3151
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:06,040
Speaker 3: Got a blocking the sidewalk like a Doorida State University

3152
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:09,320
Speaker 3: canine unit. This blocking off the entire sidewalk next to

3153
02:54:09,320 --> 02:54:12,360
Speaker 3: a Fulton County Sheriff's vehicle. I like the cops are

3154
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:15,400
Speaker 3: just also commanding the corporate media on where they can

3155
02:54:15,440 --> 02:54:19,400
Speaker 3: stand and the whatever like boomer journalist is with whatever

3156
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:22,200
Speaker 3: like mainstream news. Helle and was very peeed off at

3157
02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:24,279
Speaker 3: this cop for telling you to get on the sidewalk.

3158
02:54:25,240 --> 02:54:28,440
Speaker 3: The next day, a smaller crowd met up at the

3159
02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:32,160
Speaker 3: same spot and broke off into little subgroups to walk

3160
02:54:32,240 --> 02:54:36,560
Speaker 3: around downtown Atlanta and hand out defend the forest leaflets.

3161
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:41,000
Speaker 3: So all the little subgroups kind of meet up on

3162
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:44,960
Speaker 3: on Andrew Jung and Peach Tree, right next to the

3163
02:54:45,080 --> 02:54:46,879
Speaker 3: Hooters and the hard Rock Cafe.

3164
02:54:50,600 --> 02:54:54,040
Speaker 7: To classic examples of atlanted food. There was an Atlanta

3165
02:54:54,120 --> 02:54:57,840
Speaker 7: swat vehicle parked outside of the Hooters. Fucking the fucking

3166
02:54:58,320 --> 02:54:59,959
Speaker 7: outside a fucking hard rock cast.

3167
02:55:00,360 --> 02:55:03,400
Speaker 3: So I can't keep picking up this copyrighted music.

3168
02:55:03,720 --> 02:55:04,480
Speaker 2: But there's a big.

3169
02:55:04,360 --> 02:55:08,920
Speaker 3: Atlanta Police swat vehicle parts on the block by the

3170
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:11,760
Speaker 3: Atlanta Police Foundation head quarters. All right, there's actually a

3171
02:55:11,800 --> 02:55:14,440
Speaker 3: pretty decent number of people gathered here for the flywering

3172
02:55:14,480 --> 02:55:20,840
Speaker 3: event today. They're at the Peachtree and Young International Boulevard intersection,

3173
02:55:21,640 --> 02:55:24,080
Speaker 3: right across from the Hooters and the Hard Rock Cafe.

3174
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:27,840
Speaker 3: There's a swat vehicle parks right behind us. There is about,

3175
02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:30,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty to thirty officers stationed a little

3176
02:55:30,480 --> 02:55:33,480
Speaker 3: bit to our north. You know, normal police responds to

3177
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:36,800
Speaker 3: people handing out flyers, just fifty officers and a swat team.

3178
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:41,400
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Neil Welch approaches the crowd and gives them a

3179
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:44,880
Speaker 3: dispersal order. They cross the street walk like a block

3180
02:55:44,959 --> 02:55:47,200
Speaker 3: north past some of the cops that are guarding the

3181
02:55:47,280 --> 02:55:51,920
Speaker 3: Wells Fargo building. At this point, people chatted the cops

3182
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:56,080
Speaker 3: to quit your jobs. Quit your job, and one of

3183
02:55:56,120 --> 02:56:00,480
Speaker 3: the cops guarding the wells Fargo, says, that's actually good idea.

3184
02:56:01,240 --> 02:56:02,560
Speaker 5: You can always quit your job.

3185
02:56:03,520 --> 02:56:06,320
Speaker 15: That's actually sounded.

3186
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:10,160
Speaker 3: Already tried.

3187
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:12,640
Speaker 2: And he's like, I tried to and they wouldn't let me.

3188
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:17,000
Speaker 2: But like, I don't like laughing, but that one got me.

3189
02:56:17,240 --> 02:56:17,840
Speaker 2: That one got me.

3190
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:20,640
Speaker 7: The cop responded like, not in like a glib tone

3191
02:56:20,680 --> 02:56:25,280
Speaker 7: like he was, it was actually actually like yeah, that's

3192
02:56:25,280 --> 02:56:26,960
Speaker 7: actually yeah, that's actually a good idea.

3193
02:56:28,440 --> 02:56:29,520
Speaker 3: Extremely funny moment.

3194
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:33,959
Speaker 2: While this is happening, Uh, there's another group who comes

3195
02:56:34,040 --> 02:56:37,840
Speaker 2: in to the side of Petree Center Mall and enters

3196
02:56:37,879 --> 02:56:39,920
Speaker 2: the mall to find Mayor Andre Dickens.

3197
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:42,880
Speaker 3: Andre Dickens is like the head of some kind of

3198
02:56:42,920 --> 02:56:44,440
Speaker 3: like board or something.

3199
02:56:44,879 --> 02:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. There there are a couple of boards in Atlanta

3200
02:56:46,760 --> 02:56:50,920
Speaker 2: that stipulate the mayor is like the head of the board,

3201
02:56:50,959 --> 02:56:53,200
Speaker 2: and this is one of them. And it meets in

3202
02:56:53,400 --> 02:56:57,480
Speaker 2: Peatree Center Mall as one does. So the mayor is

3203
02:56:57,520 --> 02:57:01,040
Speaker 2: having a meeting in the mall office spaces, you know,

3204
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:04,560
Speaker 2: sort of above the mall, and so so three Indigenous

3205
02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:09,440
Speaker 2: An activists along with Kamal Franklin arrive and they find

3206
02:57:09,480 --> 02:57:12,400
Speaker 2: the mayor. They enter the board meeting and they begin

3207
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:16,960
Speaker 2: to read this letter from the Muscogie Nation aloud. Mayor Dickens,

3208
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:21,840
Speaker 2: in true mayor fashion, bolts away from this, running through

3209
02:57:21,879 --> 02:57:24,280
Speaker 2: an exit door which is then like blocked by a

3210
02:57:24,360 --> 02:57:26,760
Speaker 2: guard which I think that has its own like set

3211
02:57:26,760 --> 02:57:32,279
Speaker 2: of legal issues, essentially just ignoring them over his shoulder.

3212
02:57:32,320 --> 02:57:34,600
Speaker 2: He calls out, I've got a copy of the letter

3213
02:57:34,879 --> 02:57:39,840
Speaker 2: and hides just completely trying to escape what is not

3214
02:57:40,040 --> 02:57:40,920
Speaker 2: a good look for him.

3215
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:45,760
Speaker 7: This this is what we call a ted Wheeler moments.

3216
02:57:46,520 --> 02:57:49,600
Speaker 7: So as this happens, I think like like Apex Swat

3217
02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:50,800
Speaker 7: is deployed.

3218
02:57:51,280 --> 02:57:53,920
Speaker 2: They so Apex and Swat had had been elsewhere and

3219
02:57:54,160 --> 02:57:57,280
Speaker 2: they were called back to their vehicles like right before this,

3220
02:57:57,560 --> 02:58:01,920
Speaker 2: and then the activist exit and almost like in this

3221
02:58:02,200 --> 02:58:05,560
Speaker 2: very comical moment, after they get out in a way,

3222
02:58:06,760 --> 02:58:11,080
Speaker 2: squads of these special units start rushing into the building,

3223
02:58:11,879 --> 02:58:13,080
Speaker 2: of course, finding no one.

3224
02:58:13,720 --> 02:58:18,240
Speaker 7: Charlie Chapman asked, shit, truly, okay, even a more future

3225
02:58:18,400 --> 02:58:21,720
Speaker 7: version of Garrison here. Apparently I've been told by Daniel

3226
02:58:22,040 --> 02:58:25,520
Speaker 7: that his name is Charlie Chaplin. I don't know he's

3227
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:35,120
Speaker 7: a pedophile. So whatever, Charlie not Daniel, oh boy, And

3228
02:58:35,480 --> 02:58:37,879
Speaker 7: I do want to say I did try multiple times

3229
02:58:38,280 --> 02:58:41,320
Speaker 7: to take Matt to the Hard Rock Cafe or the Hooters,

3230
02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:46,520
Speaker 7: either one, and he refused my offer multiple times, very

3231
02:58:46,760 --> 02:58:50,760
Speaker 7: very rudely. So at some point when I'm back in Atlanta,

3232
02:58:50,840 --> 02:58:53,400
Speaker 7: I will have to gather a troop of fanboys and

3233
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:58,039
Speaker 7: head over to the Hooters anyway. Next was the Community

3234
02:58:58,120 --> 02:59:02,119
Speaker 7: Movement Builder's rally on the evening of Thursday, March ninth,

3235
02:59:02,520 --> 02:59:05,920
Speaker 7: which had fewer jokes that night, but there are a

3236
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:10,720
Speaker 7: few embarrassing recording bloopers at the expense of my own ego,

3237
02:59:10,959 --> 02:59:15,119
Speaker 7: So I will play those for your amusement. You absolute

3238
02:59:15,240 --> 02:59:15,879
Speaker 7: seck Fox.

3239
02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll start.

3240
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:22,000
Speaker 3: It is a kind of raining.

3241
02:59:23,240 --> 02:59:25,720
Speaker 7: We'll see how many people show up and how how

3242
02:59:25,879 --> 02:59:33,600
Speaker 7: large the police response will be. In comparison, what could

3243
02:59:33,640 --> 02:59:34,080
Speaker 7: happen here?

3244
02:59:35,000 --> 02:59:39,480
Speaker 2: Well, it could happen here. A podcast by Robert Evans.

3245
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:45,520
Speaker 2: We are at the site of the Martin Luther King Memorial.

3246
02:59:45,800 --> 02:59:47,879
Speaker 3: Did you see the two Sandy Springs police buses?

3247
02:59:48,120 --> 02:59:50,560
Speaker 2: I did see that, Sandy. I lived in Sandy Springs

3248
02:59:50,640 --> 02:59:53,280
Speaker 2: for a year and that brought back some memories. But

3249
02:59:53,440 --> 02:59:56,880
Speaker 2: yes to Sandy Springs police buses, Sandy Springs, of course,

3250
02:59:56,959 --> 03:00:01,840
Speaker 2: being mostly outside of the perimeter. A good A good

3251
03:00:01,959 --> 03:00:07,000
Speaker 2: drive from here. That's good, that was good. All right, hoggers,

3252
03:00:07,959 --> 03:00:09,519
Speaker 2: absolutely hoggers.

3253
03:00:10,320 --> 03:00:15,600
Speaker 3: The police police has has been stating, well, I'll never mind,

3254
03:00:15,640 --> 03:00:20,440
Speaker 3: I cut that. What am I saying? Big puddle on

3255
03:00:20,600 --> 03:00:25,600
Speaker 3: the street, demonstrating the city's commitments to infrastructure. That was

3256
03:00:25,800 --> 03:00:29,240
Speaker 3: that was a joke because the drawing was plumped. I

3257
03:00:29,320 --> 03:00:32,840
Speaker 3: accidentally turned off my my my recording by tripping on

3258
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:36,080
Speaker 3: some stairs. They're so they're so close together, we're just

3259
03:00:36,200 --> 03:00:40,040
Speaker 3: they're just sandwiched in. Got a New York Times reporter

3260
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:43,800
Speaker 3: standing in the middle of the street, of course, the

3261
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:46,320
Speaker 3: only person allowed to stand in the streets the one,

3262
03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:50,080
Speaker 3: the one New York Times reporter. I would estimate almost

3263
03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:53,640
Speaker 3: about a kilometer, But I'm Canadian, so that's not very

3264
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:56,400
Speaker 3: helpful to you, to you us listeners.

3265
03:00:56,920 --> 03:01:00,720
Speaker 2: The real outside agitators is Sandy Springs. Please. Yeah. The

3266
03:01:00,879 --> 03:01:05,400
Speaker 2: police were ready to mass rest the entire time. I

3267
03:01:05,440 --> 03:01:09,440
Speaker 2: don't know if you mentioned this. So in between the

3268
03:01:09,480 --> 03:01:12,320
Speaker 2: police line in front of the APF building and the

3269
03:01:12,400 --> 03:01:17,000
Speaker 2: protesters was essentially like a mixture of Copwatch and National

3270
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:19,960
Speaker 2: Lawyers Guild and a CLU, because of course you had

3271
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:24,320
Speaker 2: to have like both both legal observer factions just to

3272
03:01:24,360 --> 03:01:26,000
Speaker 2: make sure everybody's watching each other.

3273
03:01:26,040 --> 03:01:28,400
Speaker 7: Get you can watch energy, Get a westrested, who can

3274
03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:29,520
Speaker 7: watch acil you get arrested.

3275
03:01:31,080 --> 03:01:34,199
Speaker 2: It's turtles all the way down, legal observers.

3276
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:40,040
Speaker 3: All the way down. Oh and we are back. That's

3277
03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:41,680
Speaker 3: that's great, all right.

3278
03:01:42,120 --> 03:01:44,320
Speaker 7: One of the stops on the tour of the Blondie

3279
03:01:44,360 --> 03:01:47,360
Speaker 7: Forest that Joe Perry was doing throughout the week was

3280
03:01:47,440 --> 03:01:50,280
Speaker 7: the area of the land swap between the former owner

3281
03:01:50,280 --> 03:01:53,320
Speaker 7: of Black Hall Studios, Ryan Millsap, and the Cabot County's

3282
03:01:53,480 --> 03:01:57,280
Speaker 7: Entrenchment Creek Park. So on one side there's this beautiful

3283
03:01:57,440 --> 03:02:01,040
Speaker 7: forested park that Ryan Millsap wants to trade for. Then

3284
03:02:01,080 --> 03:02:04,039
Speaker 7: on the other side is this massive amount of dirt

3285
03:02:04,600 --> 03:02:08,200
Speaker 7: that he currently owns, which is right next to Bouldercrest Road.

3286
03:02:08,720 --> 03:02:11,920
Speaker 13: That's a huge, huge dirt field that you see. And

3287
03:02:12,320 --> 03:02:18,160
Speaker 13: what happened is while that swap was being orchestrated, Blackhall

3288
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:22,440
Speaker 13: was bringing thousands and thousands and thousands of dump truck

3289
03:02:22,480 --> 03:02:25,320
Speaker 13: loads of dirt and just filling it up, filling it up,

3290
03:02:25,400 --> 03:02:28,080
Speaker 13: filling it up, and somebody else is gonna have.

3291
03:02:28,040 --> 03:02:28,560
Speaker 2: To do the math.

3292
03:02:28,640 --> 03:02:30,800
Speaker 13: But I don't know if you say, like fifteen acres

3293
03:02:31,560 --> 03:02:35,640
Speaker 13: of dirt that is twenty feet plus high, how much

3294
03:02:35,720 --> 03:02:36,360
Speaker 13: dirt that is.

3295
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:37,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

3296
03:02:37,959 --> 03:02:42,279
Speaker 13: It's not natural. It's not something that's helping this flood

3297
03:02:42,320 --> 03:02:45,560
Speaker 13: prone area. All that's gonna run into here, no matter

3298
03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:48,520
Speaker 13: how many silk fences you put up. So that's what

3299
03:02:48,600 --> 03:02:56,480
Speaker 13: they're calling Michelle Obama Park. That's exactly exactly right. If

3300
03:02:56,480 --> 03:02:58,800
Speaker 13: somebody needs to talk to Michelle and say, Nahu, you

3301
03:02:58,879 --> 03:03:00,280
Speaker 13: need to take your name off of that. And I

3302
03:03:00,320 --> 03:03:02,400
Speaker 13: don't know who who got away with that, but that's

3303
03:03:03,080 --> 03:03:03,320
Speaker 13: not it.

3304
03:03:04,879 --> 03:03:08,360
Speaker 2: You're seeing the most picturesque side of that piece of land.

3305
03:03:08,520 --> 03:03:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get gets the top worse.

3306
03:03:10,879 --> 03:03:13,400
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's garbage.

3307
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:16,080
Speaker 13: Well the thing, and it is literally garbage because a

3308
03:03:16,200 --> 03:03:20,120
Speaker 13: lot of this stuff, this dirt cave. You know, Ryan

3309
03:03:20,200 --> 03:03:24,480
Speaker 13: millsp has he is. He's not a movie mogul, He's

3310
03:03:24,600 --> 03:03:27,960
Speaker 13: he's a land baron. He's he's in real estate and

3311
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:30,840
Speaker 13: he's made billions of dollars in real estate, and so

3312
03:03:31,280 --> 03:03:34,560
Speaker 13: that dirt comes from other properties. He's he's digging up

3313
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:36,760
Speaker 13: a place on you know, a boulevard to put some

3314
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:39,560
Speaker 13: apartments in. He's pulling dirt out of there. That's what's

3315
03:03:39,600 --> 03:03:42,119
Speaker 13: coming in here. That's dirt coming from all these other

3316
03:03:42,200 --> 03:03:43,039
Speaker 13: construction sites.

3317
03:03:43,080 --> 03:03:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not top soil.

3318
03:03:46,040 --> 03:03:47,879
Speaker 13: You can, and I believe me, I'm not saying I'm

3319
03:03:47,920 --> 03:03:49,600
Speaker 13: not making that up. I've been over there and I've

3320
03:03:49,640 --> 03:03:51,920
Speaker 13: walked and I've seen what's in there. I've seen water

3321
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:54,400
Speaker 13: heaters in there. I've seen gutters in there, I've seen pipes,

3322
03:03:54,400 --> 03:03:55,600
Speaker 13: I've seen all kinds of crap.

3323
03:03:55,800 --> 03:03:56,360
Speaker 3: It's trash.

3324
03:03:56,760 --> 03:03:59,680
Speaker 13: It's a big trash mountain. That's what they want to

3325
03:03:59,720 --> 03:04:06,280
Speaker 13: have be Michelle Obama Park and hanging a hath So. Yeah,

3326
03:04:06,560 --> 03:04:08,680
Speaker 13: that's I just wanted you to kind of lay your

3327
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:12,560
Speaker 13: eyes on what the county thought was a good idea,

3328
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:14,959
Speaker 13: in what Black Hall thought. Of course, you know, Ryan

3329
03:04:15,000 --> 03:04:17,160
Speaker 13: Miller is a great idea for Ryan millsatt because the

3330
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:20,240
Speaker 13: land that he acquired is worth way more millions more.

3331
03:04:20,840 --> 03:04:24,400
Speaker 13: It's now worth millions more than than when he made

3332
03:04:24,440 --> 03:04:27,199
Speaker 13: the swap. So he has made a lot of money

3333
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:29,600
Speaker 13: on this swap, and that's why he's angry that he

3334
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:31,800
Speaker 13: can't get his hands on it. Yet nobody knows what

3335
03:04:31,879 --> 03:04:34,360
Speaker 13: he's gonna do with it, because the original agreement between

3336
03:04:34,440 --> 03:04:36,600
Speaker 13: him and the county was that he was gonna build

3337
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:40,240
Speaker 13: movie studios on that land. Well he can't now because

3338
03:04:40,600 --> 03:04:43,400
Speaker 13: he sold his rights to the movie studios to a

3339
03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:45,800
Speaker 13: company that's now called Shadow Box. They're the ones that

3340
03:04:45,920 --> 03:04:50,760
Speaker 13: owns his previous studios, so he can't have a rival

3341
03:04:50,840 --> 03:04:54,240
Speaker 13: company right across the street from them. So he hasn't

3342
03:04:54,280 --> 03:04:57,000
Speaker 13: said and nobody knows exactly what he's gonna do with

3343
03:04:57,080 --> 03:05:00,200
Speaker 13: the property if he wins this court case, and it's

3344
03:05:00,280 --> 03:05:05,360
Speaker 13: those forty acres, who knows. It's a mystery. So that's

3345
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:08,959
Speaker 13: that's where that stands right now. Hopefully we win the lawsuit.

3346
03:05:09,840 --> 03:05:12,760
Speaker 13: If we do, he will be he will have to

3347
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:16,040
Speaker 13: put the bill for repaving the path and redoing the

3348
03:05:16,080 --> 03:05:19,000
Speaker 13: parking lot and putting a new gazebo in. That's what

3349
03:05:19,120 --> 03:05:21,080
Speaker 13: the judge decreed. That's why they said we don't need

3350
03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:25,160
Speaker 13: a restraining order. All that is replaceable. So except for

3351
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:27,440
Speaker 13: the trees that he tore down, you know those are

3352
03:05:27,480 --> 03:05:30,440
Speaker 13: going to take another seventy five years, but who's counting.

3353
03:05:31,280 --> 03:05:34,680
Speaker 7: The fate of Michelle Obama Park is still up in

3354
03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:38,360
Speaker 7: the air as of time of recording. So yeah, I'm

3355
03:05:38,840 --> 03:05:44,160
Speaker 7: excited to visit that if the landswap gets passed, almost done,

3356
03:05:44,280 --> 03:05:46,840
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna briefly, briefly tap back into my

3357
03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:50,680
Speaker 7: conversation with Matt from the Atlantic Community Press Collective and

3358
03:05:50,840 --> 03:05:53,640
Speaker 7: then unfortunately, our jokes must come to an end.

3359
03:05:54,200 --> 03:05:55,760
Speaker 2: I think one thing that's been lost in all of

3360
03:05:55,800 --> 03:05:58,240
Speaker 2: this too is all of the lighthearted events that have

3361
03:05:58,320 --> 03:06:00,240
Speaker 2: continued to gone through the week. And you know, we

3362
03:06:00,320 --> 03:06:03,320
Speaker 2: have this this, this youth rally or there's the youth

3363
03:06:03,400 --> 03:06:07,119
Speaker 2: rally that's happening on Saturday. Of course recording this beforehand,

3364
03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:12,439
Speaker 2: and like the joy of the movement that was represented

3365
03:06:12,520 --> 03:06:18,320
Speaker 2: in the Bouncy Castle rip which was first pointed at

3366
03:06:18,800 --> 03:06:20,320
Speaker 2: a rifle was pointing at and.

3367
03:06:20,400 --> 03:06:24,160
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about the gun, talk about the guns

3368
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:25,160
Speaker 3: in the bouncy castle.

3369
03:06:26,480 --> 03:06:27,920
Speaker 2: So so one thing I think that that.

3370
03:06:30,400 --> 03:06:31,240
Speaker 3: We didn't mention.

3371
03:06:31,760 --> 03:06:35,160
Speaker 2: How can you forget about the guns and the bouncy castle.

3372
03:06:36,920 --> 03:06:40,200
Speaker 2: So when when the police came running up onto the

3373
03:06:40,440 --> 03:06:42,520
Speaker 2: tarmac at RCA Field where the bouncy Castle was, of

3374
03:06:42,600 --> 03:06:46,800
Speaker 2: course they had to point a rifle at the bouncy Castle.

3375
03:06:47,320 --> 03:06:49,119
Speaker 2: And if that doesn't show that police are not here

3376
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:51,120
Speaker 2: to have fun and have joy. I don't know what

3377
03:06:51,440 --> 03:06:54,000
Speaker 2: what is I I don't know if anyone was in

3378
03:06:54,040 --> 03:06:56,400
Speaker 2: it at the time. I don't think so. I think

3379
03:06:56,440 --> 03:06:59,520
Speaker 2: they were literally just pointing a gun at an empty

3380
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:05,040
Speaker 2: bouncy castle which they have they destroyed, and and I

3381
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:07,880
Speaker 2: think we have to take a moment to mourn that.

3382
03:07:08,040 --> 03:07:10,480
Speaker 3: Did they destroyed or like deflate it? I think they destroyed.

3383
03:07:10,520 --> 03:07:12,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a rental or something.

3384
03:07:12,320 --> 03:07:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, So rip bouncy house, you will be missed and

3385
03:07:19,160 --> 03:07:23,039
Speaker 2: all the joy that you represented. Uh, my girlfriend's texting

3386
03:07:23,120 --> 03:07:24,440
Speaker 2: me cringe.

3387
03:07:27,400 --> 03:07:31,720
Speaker 3: Let me let me check my my note my notes.

3388
03:07:34,480 --> 03:07:38,120
Speaker 2: In case Garrison doesn't cut this. Ask about Garrison's neck?

3389
03:07:39,240 --> 03:07:40,760
Speaker 1: What hmm?

3390
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:42,320
Speaker 3: What what did you say?

3391
03:07:43,040 --> 03:07:44,720
Speaker 2: Ask about what Garrison did?

3392
03:07:44,920 --> 03:07:55,039
Speaker 3: Friday fire, burn Tower Saturday, Gresham Park Sunday, Monday noon Tuesday.

3393
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:59,320
Speaker 3: All right, all right, okay, I'm gonna just gonna look

3394
03:07:59,320 --> 03:08:01,320
Speaker 3: through my other notes app because I keep my notes

3395
03:08:01,360 --> 03:08:02,879
Speaker 3: in three different notes apps because I'm normal.

3396
03:08:04,080 --> 03:08:07,720
Speaker 2: So one thing that's been notable, especially in how the

3397
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:10,520
Speaker 2: police talk about the forest, is they've begun using like

3398
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:15,600
Speaker 2: these these militarized terms, like the denial of operating area

3399
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:22,400
Speaker 2: that we saw when Ryan millsap was important to Cap County.

3400
03:08:22,879 --> 03:08:26,520
Speaker 2: He said, the GBI told him to clear the area

3401
03:08:26,680 --> 03:08:32,600
Speaker 2: to deny operating space. And you know the use of terrorism,

3402
03:08:32,760 --> 03:08:36,600
Speaker 2: like there's there's some eerie parallels between the language that

3403
03:08:36,760 --> 03:08:42,400
Speaker 2: was used to describe insurgencies in countries that America is

3404
03:08:42,560 --> 03:08:45,560
Speaker 2: invading or the United States is invading, and a lot

3405
03:08:45,640 --> 03:08:48,560
Speaker 2: of that language, like the military equipment that was used

3406
03:08:48,600 --> 03:08:51,280
Speaker 2: there is has come home and it is now being

3407
03:08:51,440 --> 03:08:56,080
Speaker 2: used against Americans engaged in like these liberation struggles.

3408
03:08:56,840 --> 03:08:58,600
Speaker 3: I wonder where we've talked about that before.

3409
03:08:58,720 --> 03:09:03,040
Speaker 7: I don't know it happen where speaking of it is

3410
03:09:03,440 --> 03:09:07,000
Speaker 7: still happening. The last week, approximately five hundred people came

3411
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:09,879
Speaker 7: out to City Hall as the city Council is now

3412
03:09:09,959 --> 03:09:13,200
Speaker 7: in the process of voting to approve public funds for

3413
03:09:13,400 --> 03:09:16,800
Speaker 7: the Cop City project. Nearly three hundred people signed up

3414
03:09:16,879 --> 03:09:20,080
Speaker 7: for public comment, with one hundreds more waiting in line.

3415
03:09:20,560 --> 03:09:24,680
Speaker 7: A public comment lasted seven hours, and during so not

3416
03:09:24,879 --> 03:09:28,840
Speaker 7: a single person voiced support of using taxpayer money to

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Speaker 7: fund the police training facility. The Atlanta Community Press Collective

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Speaker 7: have recently reported that the proposed city funds toward the

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Speaker 7: Cop City project have ballooned to a minimum of fifty

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Speaker 7: one million dollars, with the thirty million dollar package awaiting

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Speaker 7: final vote in City Council, plus another at least twenty

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Speaker 7: million dollar chunk to be given to the Atlanta Police

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Speaker 7: Foundation via a quote unquote loan, which indicates that the

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Speaker 7: Atlanta Police Foundation's private fundraising has not gone as well

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Speaker 7: as they initially had hoped. For more on that, I'd

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Speaker 7: recommend checking out The Press Collective's recent article from May

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Speaker 7: twenty fourth, and you can also donate to them to

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Speaker 7: support their continued reporting of the happenings in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at Atlanta Underscore Press.

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Speaker 2: Our website is Atlpress Collective dot com, and you can

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Speaker 2: find our Instagram at atl Press Collective. We have partnered

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Speaker 2: with Open Collective. We are fiscally sponsored now by the

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Speaker 2: Open Collective Foundation in a way to transparently fundraise in

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Speaker 2: order to sustain our reporting. Everything up until actually the

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Speaker 2: Week of Action, everything that we have done up until

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Speaker 2: the Week of Action was all unpaid, and it is

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Speaker 2: our desire to continue to grow with the movement, and

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Speaker 2: so we were excited to find a partner in the

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Speaker 2: Open Collective Foundation that can continue that sort of horizontal

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Speaker 2: open in organizing that that we have done internally.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think I think.

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Speaker 1: I think we're good.

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Speaker 3: I think we have it.

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Speaker 2: Good job team.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I wasn't required.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 1: from now until the heat death of the Universe.

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