1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Yea. Welcome to the last episode of Catching the Creepies 2 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Season one, my first podcast. As we traveled down the 3 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: psychic Highway, we talked to wizards and which is ghost 4 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: hunters and extraterrestrial investigators, and we discovered that the supernatural 5 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: is wrong, very natural. You might not know this, but 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: this podcast was created by me and my brother. It's 7 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: a family affair. So for the special last episode, I 8 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: invite Legan to interview me. Why thank you for having 9 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: me Kesha. Oh my gosh, thank you for helping me 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: create this podcast has been so fun. So because it's 11 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: the last episode, we thought it'd be fun to flip 12 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: the script a little bit and I can interview you 13 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: about what we've learned on this creepy journey. Oh no, 14 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: this is like a quiz. Huh yes, it's kind of 15 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: like a quiz actually, so um, we're going to go 16 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: through some of our favorite creepy subjects and of course 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: we have to start with the creepiest of all, which 18 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: is COVID. And uh, I think we need to talk 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: about COVID because if it wasn't for COVID, we probably 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done this podcast. Uh So, why don't you 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: tell the story about how we decided to make this podcast. 22 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: Early on in in Quarantine, Okay, so I believe I 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: was really going out of my mind because I was 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be on tour this whole entire past fourteen months. 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I was preparing to be gone for a year and 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: be on the stage and beyond a tour bus. And 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: then when COVID happened, obviously the world came to a 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: stop and we all had to collectively figure out how 29 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: to get through this together. And I just was stuck 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: with so much energy still though, and I lived to create, 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: whether it's a song or an album, or an outfit 32 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: or a live show. I just amused to creating. So 33 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: being stuck, there wasn't a whole lot of options to 34 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: create things. I mean, we did. We did send you 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: a green screen and you managed to make an entire 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: music video with a green screen from Amazon and an iPhone. 37 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: But other than that, and we did plenty of performances 38 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: in your house, But there wasn't a lot of options. 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: But we learned how to make a podcast. We did, 40 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: and like neither one of us had any idea how 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: to do it before, at least I didn't. I mean, 42 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: maybe you did, but I know I think actually the 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: dirty secret is that I had no idea either. Listen, kids, 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to know what you're doing to do it. 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: You just got to do it. I told everybody that 46 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: making a podcast, I see. I did work in radio, 47 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: so I figured a podcast is like radio, except for 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: on the internet, so it can't be that hard. Well, 49 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: it's just people shooting the ship, from what I understand, 50 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: or at least that's what I've been doing. Yeah, well, 51 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: nobody's told us we did anything wrong yet, so I 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: think we made a okay, fine podcast. I think you 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: guys like this, okay fine, totally disorganized, random podcast. But 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: it's been super fun to be able to still connect 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: with my fans and also connect to people that I've 56 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: always wanted to talk to about subjects I'm fascinated by 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: just really take a time out from my creativity always 58 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: being like self centric. It's very much always like about 59 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: my shows or my songs about how I'm feeling and 60 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So this was fun because I actually 61 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: got to just talk to other people about cool ship 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: and not just talk about myself and think about myself. 63 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Is a nice break. So one going to be playing 64 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: some of our favorite clips of the season. I think 65 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: one of the best clips is from our first guests, 66 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Alice Cooper. And when we first had this idea to 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: create a podcast about the supernatural, your first idea for 68 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: a guest was Alice Cooper. So why is that? Well, 69 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Uncle Alice is somebody that I've known for a long time. 70 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: He's actually one of the first I cons like in music, 71 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: that I met, and he was so kind and he 72 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: was so nice, and we have recorded a song together 73 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, how when you're that iconic 74 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: and you have just like really are part of the 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: tapestry of culture, you can afford to just be like, 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: really really nice. So I met him right around when 77 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: TikTok came out, so I kind of took his disposition 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: with me as inspiration on how to be in general. 79 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: And through the years he's just been like a great 80 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: mentor and we've done a lot of really cool things 81 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: together there and he still maintains being one of the 82 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: nicest people ever and one of the first people that 83 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: popped into my mind when I thought, oh, let me 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: think of a creep or somebody who's creepy. Alice was 85 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: the first person that popped into my head, and I 86 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: love that you can still be a creep, but you 87 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: can also be really nice. So we had a lovely conversation. Well, 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: one of my favorite clips from the whole podcast is 89 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: when Alice Cooper explained that he thought COVID was an alien. Yeah, 90 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: we should play that one. How do we know that 91 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen isn't an alien? It could be just invading, 92 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: like a very tiny, tiny alien. It's the first it's 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the first swave of the invasion. You could be onto something. 94 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: We should alert. We should alert somebody. They're cute little 95 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: guys should be They're really cute little guys, like little 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: beach balls with little fuckers. So I'm definitely the skeptic 97 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: of the group here. But one of the things I've 98 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: really changed my beliefs on over the course of this 99 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: podcast is the topic of psychics and telepathy. It's been 100 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: really cool to hear you talking to so many people, 101 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: from entertainers to experts. So early on. One of our 102 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: guests was Dr Caroline Watt, who's a professor of parapsychology 103 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: at the University of Edinburgh, so she actually studies this stuff. 104 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: Scientifically at a legitimate university, which I thought was pretty unbelievable. 105 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: And one of the things that really caught my attention 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: is when she explained how many people in the world 107 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: have had some sort of paranormal experience. About fifty of 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: people believe in the paranormal or a ghosts. Is that 109 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: about right? That's about right, yes, um, And that that's 110 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: taken very broadly, so that would include, for example, traditional 111 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: religious beliefs, so believing an adult or believing that you 112 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: can pray and heal someone or have things happen you 113 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: won't because of prayer. These would also be regarded as 114 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: paranormal beliefs and all of that. About half of these 115 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: people believe they've had a paranormal experience. So that means 116 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: if you look, you know, you're walking along the street, 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: you're looking at the people around you, about one and 118 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: four we'll have had what they think is a paranormal experience. 119 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: And that that's to me why it's obviously of interest 120 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to psychologists to study. The crazy part about that is 121 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: you would think this is kind of like a taboo 122 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: subject or when you talk about the paranormal or telepathy 123 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: or psychic or any of those kind of words. I 124 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's an instant like, oh, this lady might 125 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: be crazy, And the fact that one and four people 126 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: feel like they've had a paranormal experience makes me feel 127 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: like it's not really all that taboo. And maybe if 128 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: we just talk about it, more people than you would 129 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: expect would have really cool stories and really interesting experiences 130 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: that maybe they can't really explain. And I just wanted 131 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: to hear people's take on that, but I also really 132 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: wanted to hear the science behind it. Yeah, I agree. 133 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean when she was talking about her personal experience 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: and how she's more of a skeptic but then experienced 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: it herself, I feel like that's when things get really interesting, 136 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: when you're a party to seeing something supernatural or feeling it, 137 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: because then it becomes much harder to ignore the fact 138 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: that potentially there is something that we don't fully understand, 139 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: whether it's our brain or a dimensional thing or a 140 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: physics thing. Like scientifically speaking, there are things that we 141 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: can't see and we can't understand. Not only Dr Caroline Watt, 142 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: but also another guest, Graham Nichols, talked about experiments they 143 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: had done on telepathy, and for me, you know, coming 144 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: from the more skeptical side, hearing these people talking about 145 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: doing scientific experiments that essentially prove some form of telepathy 146 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: was pretty incredible. There are some researchers who have done 147 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: work in the past. Um there's a guy called Alex Tennis. 148 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: They did research in the sort of eighties and with 149 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: a research of all carlos osis from that via, and 150 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: they did experiments where they tried to sort of he 151 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: would try to go and see targets and things like that. 152 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: And then there's a researcher in Italy at the moment 153 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: called Patricio tris Oldie who is doing research same kind 154 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: of thing, looking at seeing targets and things like that. 155 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: And then the Rhyme Research Center. I've done research with 156 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: them looking at trying to again trying to see targets 157 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: and things like that at a distance. So we did 158 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: like about fourteen weeks of different targets and things, and 159 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: then I would try to have an experience or I 160 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: tried different techniques, not just out of any experiences. I 161 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: tried to remote viewing. I tried different methodologies. I used 162 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: sensory deprivation, mild sensory deprivation. That's the thing that I 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: think is fascinating about the whole podcast is that it's 164 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: really just diving into these these subjects. Whether you want 165 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: to call it magic or you want to call it 166 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: the paranormal, it's it's just things that we can't see 167 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: and we can't explain with with math. It's it's and 168 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: there's so much of it in our world, and I 169 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: think it's just been so cool. I think one of 170 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: the most incredible examples of this is when you talk 171 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: to Tyler Henry and he gave you a reading from 172 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: our grandmother. Can I can I just tell you one 173 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: little thing? Sure? Please? Yeah. So, like before I hopped 174 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: on the line today, I was seeing my symbol for 175 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: the sun and the moon. And I know that might 176 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: sound like so vague and random, but it actually has 177 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot of meaning to me because the sun always 178 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: represents to me like a birthday, life, and then the 179 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: moon generally represents like people passing away, you know, death, 180 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: and so there's kind of that dichotomy. What was so 181 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: interesting is, and I'm aware that you were very close 182 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: with your grandmother, Um, there was some reference to your 183 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: mom's side of the family and actually your mother's and 184 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if her 185 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: mom has a sister, but there was an interesting acknowledgment 186 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: with the sun in the moon thing of like within 187 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours there being like a birth date and 188 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: a death date. So I know it sounds weird, but 189 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: when we talk about your grandmother on your and again 190 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: your mom's side, is really like the primary thing that 191 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: was hitting me before we even hopped on the line. 192 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: There's kind of this interesting thing around dates of like 193 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: someone has a death date and then someone has a 194 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: birthdate and the right around it, and they acknowledge your mom. 195 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know if her mom has a sister, 196 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: but they're putting a lot of emphasis around what would 197 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: be like an aunt for you, So like when did 198 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: your grandmother pass? My grandmother passed when I was really little. 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: It's funny, I'm wearing her ring. It was not going 200 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: to tell you, but now I'm done. I just wanted 201 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: to see if you picked up on it. But I 202 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: she passed away when I was really young, which is 203 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: really sad because I have very few memories of her, 204 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: but I know she was the email bond and our 205 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: family is so strong, like me and my mother really close, 206 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: her and her mother were really close. Sure do you 207 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: happen to know what date she actually passed away? I 208 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: don't know. Do you mind? Um, you can totally check. 209 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Feel free if you need. My brothers on the line. 210 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Oh cool, perfect, because there's something about like your aunt birthdate, birthdate, 211 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: death date. Yeah, there's some reference to these these two 212 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: two dates, but they seem right next to each other. Wait. Really, 213 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: my boyfriend just told me that, um my aunt's Wait, 214 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: let me read it to you. My grandmother died on 215 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: December seven, and my aunt's birthday is December six, Okay, 216 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: so that it would have been within a twenty for 217 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: our issh period of like the birthday and the unthdate. 218 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: That is so weird. So that would be why I 219 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: was seeing the sun in the moon. Oh my god, 220 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: very strange. Yeah, that was insane. That actually was really 221 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: crazy because he and I looked this up afterwards because 222 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: I just wanted to see if there's anywhere online that 223 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: you could have gotten the information that he got, And 224 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: there literally is nowhere online where he could have got 225 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: this information. He told me something I didn't know about, 226 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: and that you had to check with our aunt about 227 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: like information no one's ever told me. So, I've never 228 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: said it publicly, and I even looked it up specifically 229 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: after he said it, because I was like, is there 230 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: a chance he could have done just a really deep 231 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: dive to find this information. And I don't think that 232 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: information is anywhere on the internet. It's not, it's absolutely not. 233 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: I didn't even know when he said that. You know, 234 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: our our grandmother was trying to tell our aunt not 235 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: to be sad because she died around her birthday. I 236 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: had no idea, and it took me calling our aunt 237 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: and talking to my mom to realize that our grandmother 238 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: had died within a day of our aunt's birthday. And 239 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: so for me, that was is kind of mind blowing 240 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: and really opened my mind to to what's possible me too, Like, 241 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how we could explain that neither one 242 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: of us knew when grandma died. And I remember when 243 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: we talked to our aunt, she said she's picking out 244 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: coffins on her birthday, and like, this is a story 245 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: that I had never heard before, had no idea about, 246 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: and so in away, by having him tell us that information, 247 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: it brought our family closer and hopefully gave our aunt 248 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: some closure. Um I don't know. It just made me 249 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: feel excited and that there's something else out there and 250 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: to be able to communicate that was a really exciting episode. Yeah. 251 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: So another one of the greatest hits of the season 252 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: was definitely diving into the topic of aliens and UFOs 253 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: and uh, speaking of our family. So we came to 254 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: these interests very naturally because our mom has always said 255 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: that she thinks she's an alien. I'm not entirely sure 256 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: she's joking. I don't think she is. Actually, I don't 257 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: think she is either. And so if she's an alien, 258 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: that means that we're at least part alien. So we 259 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: should have an interest in learning about our friends. Our 260 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: ancestors are ancestors. So what did you learn about aliens 261 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: on this podcast? Um, I got to talk to Oh 262 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: my god, I love talking to Nick Pope the He 263 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: was the guy that worked in the government in the 264 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: UK at the Ministry of Defense researching and investigating UFOs. 265 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: So talking to him was really interesting because I tried 266 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: to look at it from the perspective of what why 267 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: would this man make this up? He seems like a legitimate, 268 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: serious saying human being, and he's talking very matter of 269 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: fact about UFOs or just these objects he's seen and 270 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: working closely with the military and how much they've seen. Yeah, 271 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's um you know, when we talked 272 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: to him, it was you know, just in the last 273 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: few months since we've talked to him, you know, sixty men. 274 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: It's did a whole piece about UFOs talking to a 275 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: bunch of people within the government on all of these reports, 276 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: of these official government reports about UFOs and the fact 277 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that they they're seeing them basically on a daily basis, 278 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: and and so one of the things that I thought 279 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: was really interesting from him is kind of putting in 280 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,479 Speaker 1: context about it actually is probably better if they're aliens, 281 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: because if there, if it's actually ships from Russia or China, 282 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: then we're in big trouble. I think we have further 283 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: forward than we've ever been, and I think this Senate 284 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee initiative is going to certainly move things forward again. 285 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: But whether we cross the line. I mean, the UFO 286 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: community have this concept of disclosure with a big D 287 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: and in their mind's eye, it's the President going on 288 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the evening news primetime saying, my fellow and they akins 289 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: people of the world, We're not alone My take is 290 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: it might not quite go down that way. It might 291 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: be a little bit more supple, and I think that's 292 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: what we're seeing now. But there are congressional briefings going 293 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. People like Marco Rubio have gone 294 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: on the record to say, look, I'd rather this was 295 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: Aliens because if it's Russia or China, we're in big trouble. 296 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: I remember him saying that, and he's right. I personally 297 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: hope they are UFOs because I think that the disclosure 298 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: that I was talking about last year, it's been slowly 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: happening more and more since you know, the end of 300 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: last year, and I really do stand by I think 301 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: with technology and social media and connecting and the connection 302 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: it creates around the entire world, if somebody sees something, 303 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: it's not just like some crazy person in the middle 304 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: of the desert that you don't know who they are. 305 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: There's a whole profile and a whole person behind it. 306 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: And so when people see something and they just it 307 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: becomes harder to discount. When there's so many people telling 308 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: the same story over and over and over, then you 309 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: start to wonder, Okay, well, if there is something to this, 310 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: then why is it being kept from us, and instead 311 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: of being scared of it and having it be a secret, 312 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: are they just slowly releasing this information to get our 313 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: brains ready for full disclosure. I remember in the COVID 314 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: relief Bill, randomly, there was a part about how in 315 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty days they had to disclose everything 316 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: that they knew about UFOs to the American general public. Right, 317 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: there's a report um coming to Congress about UFOs, Like 318 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: that's insane to me. It means that we're at a 319 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: point where you can no longer just hide the truth 320 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: from people. And I do think that is due a 321 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: lot to the connection we have to each other and 322 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: through social media. It's something that we can't just ignore. 323 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: There's too many people that have seen things and we 324 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: want to know what it is. I for want of 325 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: seeing fireballs in this guy. I don't know what exactly 326 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: it was, but I would love a little information. Like 327 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I sometimes feel like the government and people that are 328 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: in power placate us and treat us like we're really stupid. 329 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: But once you start seeing things over and over and 330 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: over enough, people are going to demand information. And I 331 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: think that's happening right before our eyes, which is so interesting, 332 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: like we're going to be able to tell our grandkids 333 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: about when the world found out that there were UFOs 334 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: and potentially other life trying to create contact with this planet. 335 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's going to blow people's minds on 336 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: like a Judeo Christian front because if time and everything 337 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: on this world is based around the time of Jesus 338 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you have these extraterrestrials 339 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: are foreign life, it kind of well, it flips, it 340 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: flips all of the traditional religious beliefs on their head. 341 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: And I think one of the most poignant perspectives we've 342 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: heard about aliens throughout this whole podcast came from the 343 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: one and only Dana Carvey. If aliens came down and 344 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: there's some guy from the Israeli Armies, a general came 345 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: out at the base, Isn't it just that made me 346 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: so happy to think that could be true because everybody 347 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: would let go. I always thought if you took an 348 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: Isis guy or a hardcore Republican or far left Democrat 349 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: and just put them in space, put them on some 350 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing at Pluto and they could see the universe, 351 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: they'd all probably just start crying and hugging each other, 352 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: so we need aliens so we can just go Okay, everybody, 353 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: don't take this too seriously. Aliens have come and don't 354 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: forget my friend Demi Lovato fully knows how to make 355 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: contact with extraterrestrials. On my birthday, I made contact for 356 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: the first time, basically me and um, some of my 357 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: best friends. We had all gotten tested and so we 358 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: were all together and we I got a house in 359 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: Palm Springs and I went out into the desert and 360 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: on the night of my birthday, we're all just I 361 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: was like, you, guys, I really would love to do 362 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: a group metic patian and try to make contact. And 363 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: my best friends are all for it, so they were like, yeah, 364 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: let's do it. So we did. We meditated for about 365 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: thirty five minutes um together, and then we laid out 366 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: under the stars and we were just staring up at 367 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: the sky. And so what first happened was this, we 368 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: played these tones, this app that you download. You you 369 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: play these tones, you meditate and then you play the 370 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: tones and you wait for things to show up. And 371 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: well we did. We saw this bright light. We were 372 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: all laying down on the ground, so it was just 373 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: in the center of the sky. We all look up 374 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: and this big ball brighter than any object in the sky. 375 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't a plane because the way that it just 376 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: came into this guy right above us, and then it 377 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: just starts moving in these like directions that it's clearly 378 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: not a plane. Then it stops, it goes down like 379 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: a falling star almost, and then it stopped us again, 380 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: and then it backs out. And the way that it yeah, 381 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: it was, it was there was. I literally was like, okay, 382 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: so there's there's no debunking that, because there's no that 383 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a shooting star, that wasn't a meteorite, that wasn't 384 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: a satellite, that wasn't a plane. So what the funk 385 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: else could it have been? Why that was not bigger 386 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: news is insane to me, Like what makes headlines and 387 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: what doesn't always is baffling to me, Like how somebody 388 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: in a swimsuit is bigger news than the fact that 389 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: one of the world's biggest pop stars is creating contact 390 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: with extraterrestrials on a regular basis. I don't know, I 391 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: don't know the reasoning behind that, but I found what 392 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: Demi had to say it was so interesting and so helpful, 393 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: and I've kind of gone down a rabbit hole into 394 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: this whole world of the fourth dimension and making contact 395 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: through meditation. I have not been able to make contact yet, 396 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: but I'm working on it, damn it. I tried to Oh, 397 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: I tried to own at the moon when it was 398 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: like a super blood full moon and then an eclipse, 399 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: and so I went outside and I was like, ohming 400 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: at it by myself in the driveway for like two hours, 401 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, come on, guys, I'm here. But 402 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: they didn't talk to me. So sad about that. But 403 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: Demi got contact, Yes she did. And of course with 404 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: a podcast about the supernatural, we had to talk a 405 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: lot about ghosts and why they decided to linger on Earth. 406 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: What they're trying to communicate to us. Are they just 407 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: trying to funk with us? There's so many good ghost stories, 408 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: and I love a ghost story. Most people, if you 409 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: ask him, they have a good one. So Carl, you 410 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: just make like a super cut of all the best 411 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: ghost stories, like bang bang bang. I got there and 412 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: I was like, that's something great about this house. I 413 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: was sat there with my brother and he's freaking out. 414 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: And then the crew was freaking out. A couple of 415 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: the crew guys ran out of the room, wouldn't stay 416 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: in them. She didn't, and I was like, what is 417 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: going on? Why everyone so freaked out? And then they 418 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: were like, you don't understand. This is the most communication 419 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: we have ever got from any sort of paranormal investigation 420 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: we have ever done. And I've only worked in this 421 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: round for the last ten years, so the town Ballroom 422 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: has been there for like again a hundred years. You 423 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: can go down into those tunnels and there are legitimately haunted. 424 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: And as we're coming back, I turned around and I 425 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: saw a little boy just run in front of me, 426 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: like the midst of a little boy, the shape and 427 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: form of a little boy. It was a hundred percent 428 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: like I know what I saw and that that was 429 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: the first time i've I think I've legitimately seen a ghost. 430 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: A girl told me a boyfriend died, and kind of 431 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: my when she said he feels like she feels like 432 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: is with her all the time. And I felt that 433 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: heavy because I felt like a big connection. We like 434 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: we found basing now you know what I'm saying. I 435 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: think to feel loved and to feel accepted is something 436 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: that never leaves you because people die, but energy doesn't die. 437 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: Energy can't die, can't be destroyed a cane transfer and 438 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: that song is legitimately about like kind of a ghost 439 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: and some weird higher power. So my personal opinion, I 440 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: would like to be a ghost with Big Frieda because 441 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: she wants to be a ghost that pulls dicks, and 442 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: I have a feeling like if her and I haunted 443 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: a place together like it would fucking go down. Would 444 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: be the funnest ghost ever. Yeah, I have to say 445 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: Big Frieda's idea to be a ghost that pulls dicks 446 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: might be a highlight of the season for me. If 447 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I was the ghost, what would be my style of hunting? 448 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: Probably something sexual? Oh my god, yes, your dick off. 449 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: So Amy Brunei the paranormal investigator. Basically she's like a 450 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: perfect tional of what we're faking to be. Yeah, she's 451 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: the real deal. She has all these really creepy dolls. 452 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: The doll tried to set her house on fire. I 453 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: was drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway 454 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: and every week I would bring my five dollar allowance 455 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: until I paid off this doll or whatever and brought 456 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: her home and set her up on my shelf, and 457 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: then a few days later walked in and it smelled 458 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: like burning, and I was like, that's weird. And then 459 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: the next day I looked and there was like a 460 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of like a scorch mark above the doll, and 461 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: I was like, that's really strange. And so then I 462 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: smelled it another day and came in and found literally 463 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: her dress was holding and I was like, something is 464 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: wrong with this doll. I know. One of your highlights 465 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: in the season was talking to the Wizard oz Or 466 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: over On Zell, who runs a school of wizardry out 467 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: of Seattle, Washington. Can you just talk about talking to 468 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: the Wizard and what it was like to communicate with 469 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: a guy who created unicorns? Oh my god, I'm like, 470 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm an adult baby. Talking to the Wizard was so exciting. 471 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: I completely fanned girls on him, and like, actually talking 472 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: to someone who knows so much about everything magical. I 473 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: felt like a kid in the candy shop. And something 474 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: else that blew my mind is that in our lifetime, 475 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: like you were definitely alive. I wasn't alive yet, but 476 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: like in your lifetime there were unicorns. We'll go to corns, 477 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: go to corns. Excuse me, there were goat unicorns. That's 478 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: still very impressive, and like nobody even knows about it. 479 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: I'll say it to people and they're like, Oh, she's 480 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: losing her marbles. But then I pulled up a picture 481 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, ship, that's like a tiny unicorn. 482 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: We discovered the secret of the unicorn, and that is 483 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: basically that unicorns were real animals who actually existed at 484 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: various times in past, but they were not a species, 485 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: so they did not continue. They were in art form 486 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: that was created by a secret um process of animal 487 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: husbandry that had been discovered and lost and rediscovered several 488 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: times throughout history and applied to different species of horned animals. 489 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: So the earliest unicorns that we saw from the Bronze Age, 490 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: like four thousand years ago were tarwine. They were bull unicorns. 491 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: There was a The Oriental unicorn are cherving. Their deer unicorns. 492 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: They have branching horn. The Golden Age of Greece was 493 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: inaugurated by the appearance of an airing a ram unicorn 494 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: at the court of the newly inaugurated um King of 495 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: Athens Pericles, whose reign was the Golden Age of Greece. 496 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: There are many, many of these that appear, but the 497 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: ones that were the most famous were the caprine unicorns 498 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: we see in the medieval tapestries. Those are the ones 499 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: with the beards. Now there's only one kind of animal 500 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: on the planet, mammal that has hoofs and beards in that. 501 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: What a sweet soul that man has. I wish he 502 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: was my dad. Well maybe he is, Maybe he is. 503 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: And then ironically when we talk the witch we talked 504 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: to was also from Seattle, which is so apparently if 505 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: you're into witches and wizard's Seattle is the spot go 506 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: to Washington State if you want to get down with wizardry. 507 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: So um, I mean the hood, which was amazing because 508 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: like she is a witch and knows witchcraft, but also 509 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: is like has the coolest style of anybody I've ever seen. 510 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I love her because I feel like when you do 511 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: think of like, oh, witches, it's all very dark and 512 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: not who she's representing, which is like vibrant and gorgeous 513 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: and makeup and beautiful and young. And I just feel 514 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: like it's the new era of what being a witch means. 515 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: And I find that really interesting because as before talking 516 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: to her, I thought of it as something like separate 517 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: to myself. But in talking with her, I realized that, oh, 518 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of already inclined to these witchy behaviors. So 519 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: if I want to just do more of that, I 520 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: can be a witch and it's empowering versus whatever the 521 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: old idea of what a witch is. Yeah, essentially it's 522 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, she kind of defined it as just a rebellious, spiritual, 523 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: powerful and inspired woman who who doesn't follow follow the herd, right, Yeah, 524 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: So in talking to her at the beginning, I was like, oh, 525 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking to the hood witch. I'm talking to Brie. 526 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: And then at the end I was like, oh, Ship, 527 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm a witch. Culturally, when we think of 528 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: the word which, and we think of what that looks like, 529 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 1: I think that there are so many common misconceptions of 530 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: witchcraft in general, and like what a witch is and 531 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: what a witch isn't. Uh So, first and foremost, growing up, 532 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: I have two grandmothers where I and most of my 533 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: spiritual practice from, Um, you have hereditary witches, you have 534 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: people who are just solitary practitioners. So I think that 535 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: just in general, the word which you know, obviously, um, 536 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: it's like it can be like this big umbrella, because 537 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: the witch has always existed in every continent, every country, 538 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: Uh you know what I mean. So generally most people's 539 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: perception of a witch is like an old haggard woman 540 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: with like a big nose with the war on it. 541 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't look like that. Neither do 542 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: my grandmother's neither do anyone you know that. I know 543 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: that practices, but I think that just overall as an 544 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: umbrella um the which has always existed in this archetype 545 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: of just like this wild, fierce woman, in rebellious woman, 546 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: this rebellious energy um has always existed. So to be 547 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: a witch and to claim that for yourself that can 548 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: be in magical practice or you know, it could just 549 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: about just energetically like how you feel. And I think 550 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: that that rebellion has always just innately been with a 551 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: lot of us. You know. Well, also we also realize 552 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: that not only are you a witch, but you're also 553 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: a juggalo. Oh my god, yeah, I am. I love 554 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I c P get me that fago. Let's go woot boot. 555 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: I am here for it. I love the insane clown posse, 556 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: the whole culture. It's so fringe and it's so inclusive. 557 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I just really relate to people that feel like outside 558 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: of society and they want to make their own little 559 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: group and safe space and home for the people that 560 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: just want to be free. I very much relate to 561 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: I c P. Music itself is a fucking miracle. I 562 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: mean it's a miracle. If scientists could figure out music, 563 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: they would they get together with two other sciences and 564 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: they would create the ultimith album that's gonna sell to 565 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: every fan on earth, and they would sell fifty billion 566 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: albums because they created the masterpiece, because they can figure 567 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: out music. But that don't happen because they can't figure 568 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: out music. Nobody can figure out music. Love is a miracle, 569 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: can't You can't put that in a pillar. Sciences would 570 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: be selling that up to bollowing an up sat Well, 571 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: they've been trying to do that. I think that's called molly. 572 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: Then we were talking about furies and I realized maybe 573 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm a furry because I do think anything fluffy to me. 574 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: I realized this, like, take take a man. Take that 575 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: same man. You put long hair and a beard. I 576 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: definitely prefer the long I love a fluffier, furier thing. 577 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking with all my cats, they're all really furry. 578 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: A lot of my furniture it's like fake fluffy furry stuff. 579 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: I love fury things, so I might in fact be 580 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: a furry and I would have never known in this 581 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't talked to c P and then found out 582 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: I was a juggalo too, So like I'm a witch, 583 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm a juggalo, I'm a furry. I love it. I 584 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: think it's it's the fact the common theme here is 585 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: that that they're very open, and I feel like you're 586 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: very open on this spiritual journey, and it's they're very 587 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: kindred spirits. Yeah, I do feel like kindred spirits with them. 588 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: I know it sounds goofy, but I really do. I 589 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: love them. They're so nice and fun. And finally we 590 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: have to end with where it all began. A k A. 591 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: Our Mom, a k A. Granny Rapper, a k A. 592 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: The lady who interrupts the podcast all the time because 593 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: I normally record the podcast in the basement of our 594 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: mom's house. That is so sad. It is sad, But 595 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: I need to preface it that I don't still live 596 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: with mom. I'm forty years old and I do not 597 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: still live with Mom. However, I do live next door 598 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: and my office is in Mom's basement, so slightly better 599 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: and still living with Mom when you're fortune like barely fairly. 600 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: So I do have to give her credit that I 601 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: think our interest in the subject comes from the way 602 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: we were raised. In part, she does say that she's 603 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: an alien, which would make both of us at least 604 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: part alien. And when she did barge in one time 605 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast, she explained that we're also Russian, even 606 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: though our whole life we thought we were Hungarian. We 607 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: were Hungarian, and like filmed an episode of the MTV 608 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: show we did million years ago, and we went to 609 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: Hungary and met a bunch of ancestors who were Okay, 610 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: so here's the deal, And she said, according to twenty 611 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: three and me, so the people that we met in 612 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: Hungary on TV, it's just those people were actually our ancestors. 613 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: But apparently they had emigrated from Russia to Hungary. And 614 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: you can hear it all right here on the podcast 615 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: Take it Away. Granny. Okay, I am Russia. Russian. No, 616 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm Rutchian, says who says twenty three in me, so 617 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm Russian. Yes, we're from Ukraine. We're Russian. I have 618 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: fourth out of Hungarian. There's not a drop of Hungarian 619 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: in US. We're Russian and Polish and Croatian. Well, thank 620 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: you for telling me I have like a fourth cousin 621 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: in Moscow. Well, let's go to Moscow. I got a 622 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: bunch of other cousins, Rudy Giuliani. So also when she 623 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: bargoned on the podcast, she shared she shared the story 624 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: of when you guys did a past life regression together, 625 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: So let's let's take a little listen. No, oh god, 626 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: I hate to I was an astrology major in college 627 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: and I'm minored in past life regression. True, and I 628 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: did my first past life regression when I was a 629 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: tan um. The first regression I did, I was for 630 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: Trapper sometime. Probably. Yeah, I was bad. I think that's 631 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: why I'm an animal lover now because I think I'm 632 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: paying for the fur trapping episodes. But I was just 633 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: this big, burly like for Trapper guy that I just 634 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: saw myself in this like canoe with a bunch of 635 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: dead animals. So, according to the facts from our mom, 636 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: you in a previous life died of gana. No, you died. 637 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: That is not according to the person who conducted the 638 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: past life regression. I'm gonna do something humiliating to you 639 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: back for this. By the way, I think you might 640 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: have died of a fever. I think you are prostitute. 641 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: That's what I think. And you probably and you probably 642 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: died of some sort of a v D. And I think, 643 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: at least in my dream, you were mind such a bit. No, 644 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: I didn't die of a v D. You died. You 645 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: died of the v D and you weren't killing animals 646 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: in a canoe. All right, So I was a terrible person, 647 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: I admit it. But you died of the v D 648 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: and left me in the alleys with the street dogs. Okay, 649 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: Can I please tell you a I've never had gonaihia? 650 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: Well no, no, listen, it's in a past life. And 651 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have gnaia now, I'm just saying, 652 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: in a past life. Oh my god, b I don't 653 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: have gnarrhea. See I never have had gnarreha. Four, mom's 654 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: making this ship up. D I'm gonna kill you. You 655 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: have gone ariha. My brother has gona news flash news alert. 656 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: Well maybe in the past life I did have ga No, 657 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: the past life progression has said that she like she 658 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: was roaming around with dogs and then I was burned 659 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: at the steak, and then she somehow decided it would 660 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: be like more fun of a story for her to 661 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: tell if I died of Gonorea. She totally well, I 662 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: think it worked. I have never had gone a rhea. 663 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: I was trending today on TikTok. Oh, my god for 664 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: what I did a TikTok in my driveway with your 665 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: sunglasses and that Louis stole that I stole that I 666 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: think are Gucci still my good ship? No? I just 667 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: stole what Louie stole and I trended the other day 668 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: Instagram too, and you need to post a picture of 669 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: us together and tag me. Isn't it such a good podcast? 670 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: People can't wait to hear you bitch at me. I 671 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 1: think they're gonna give me my own podcast and boot 672 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: you off is probably what's going to happen. So as 673 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: Season one of Cash and the Creepies comes to an end, 674 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: I hope all of you out there are staying particularly 675 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: open hearted, open minded, keep it creepy, keep on creeping on, 676 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: and I I will see you soon. Thank you for 677 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: joining us, and get by my troops m