WEBVTT - Victoria Shaw and Lacy Cavalier 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:16.800 Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was She's only yes, 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.120 actually got the scoop on one side. No one can 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:30.600 do within Clie Carola, Carola, no one can do within. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:37.920 Quiet Black Caral Carola. Hey, y'all, welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.159 I am your host, Caroline Hobby. I know music, I 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.960 know people, and I know the questions you want to ask, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:48.000 so let's get hyper heads up. These are adults having 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.360 adult conversations, so there could be adult content. This week 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.840 is super exciting for me because I have my mentor, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.080 Victoria's Shaw on the show. She was the very first 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.360 person I interned for. I entered for her for probably 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.800 five years in Nashville. She taught me everything about songwriting, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.039 and then she ended up signing me to my first 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.600 publishing deal. She wrote The River for Garth Brooks and 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.640 she's every woman for Garth Brooks. She's written Uh, Nobody 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.040 Wants to Be Lonely for Ricky Martin and Christina Aguilera, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.560 I Love the Way You Love Me for John Michael Montgomery. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.080 And she's just an incredible person and I'm so thankful 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.559 to have her in my life. And she is also 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.640 on this episode with Lacey Cavalier, who was an artist 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.039 she has been working with. And Lacey is gorgeous inside 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.560 and out, stunning, stunning soul. She is so talented. She 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.679 just got off to our chase Rice. She has tons 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.560 of new music and the work that she's putting out 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.200 and she was on Barney What So y'all get excited. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:51.160 Their interview is awesome. Welcome Lacey and Victoria. Hello, Hello, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:56.920 Hello you are I'm Caroline Hobby. I am interviewing you 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.840 guys for my fantastic podcast, Hypercalling Hobby. Let me introduce. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:05.600 So I have here, I have Lacey Cavalier and Victoria Shaw. Hello, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.640 and this is a joint interview because the common thread 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.639 is Lacey and I. I'm no longer pursuing music, but 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.120 Lacey is an incredible singer and Victoria and songwriter and 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.920 performer in Victoria is the link between the two of us, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.799 where you are both of our first publishing deal and 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.160 kind of our first start in the music business. So 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.760 it's very exciting, very special. You are very and I 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.200 think you were like one of the first people I 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.120 met when I moved here. I was like fourteen fifteen 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.959 years old, and Vic introduced me to you, and I 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.240 was like, oh my god, she's half riding. Okay, Well, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.000 first off, Lacey Cavlier is probably the most beautiful human. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.320 And I decided today that like you an award for 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.040 best hair in Nashville. Me. Yes, really, I'm not kidding you, Carolina. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.359 Every tom I see a picture, I'm like, how did 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.040 she do it? And You're just like, I just wash it. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:59.400 If they just learned how to crawl my hair like 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.760 it aged. But that's what I'm saying, Like you always 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.440 wear it natural and it like look, it's perfect. So 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.880 she's you know, if you find a secret fan pages me, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.480 I totally appreciate that because I think you have the 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.000 best air. Okay, So I'm going to start off with 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.760 a few little rapid fire questions speaking to the migraphone. Okay, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.919 this guys for both of you all see both answer. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.880 What is your spirit animal? It doesn't have to be 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.080 like an actual animal. Give you whatever you want to be. Oh, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.960 I've never asked that, like hotcorn, skinny pop is your 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.720 spirit animal? Yeah, I'm going with it. Okay, tell me why. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.000 It just like makes me feel all kinds of waste. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.560 Wo yeah. Seven or roll with that one? Okay, skinny 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:48.440 pop popcorn, spirit animal? Yeah, what you got? I guess 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.119 I'll just say, um, a monkey, because I can swing 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:59.760 from thing to thing from fine fine, okay, yeah life. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.080 You know I sleep buying to buying to bind. All right, Okay, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.520 so I got popcorn and monkey. Great. So Victoria can 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.960 eat Lacey for a snack. I like chocolate. I like 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:18.120 something more caloric. Okay, okay. Who who's the person you 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.240 want to have coffee with or drinks with? And why? 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:27.360 Anyone anytime, any place, alive or dead? Any No? I 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:32.080 need I need a yeah either okay, first dead and alive. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.200 And also everyone we have a dog, Bagel who will 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.520 be making appearances on the show. So if you hear panting, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.679 it's not any of asked me, it's wasting are gosh, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.040 this is hard. Oh I can go dead easy. I'd 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.359 love to have coffee with my dad, and it's today 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.440 his birthday, so that would be nice. That would be nice. Um, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.960 what would you talk about? Oh? God, we'd laugh. He 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:57.960 made me laugh, so we would laugh a lot. And 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.360 your dad was an entertainment business, yes, and he was 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.960 an inventor and always inventing things and really fearless and 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:08.120 really big and loud and brave, so and he liked life, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:16.080 so he would be bummed that he was dead. Do 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:17.560 you think that's where you got a lot of your 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.880 lad for the entertainment industry and your big personality, Oh, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.360 from both my parents, but yeah, probably the big from 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.680 my dad. But uh and fearlessness. I mean I got 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.200 a lot from both of them, Victoria, why are you barking? 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.160 Maybe my spirit animals. So we're gonna I'm gonna get 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:36.960 to your supa. Since we're honest, tell me about your 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.960 mom and your dad, because that is how you got 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.040 into music. I think if you get to do the 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.840 coffee with a live person, we're going to get back 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.200 to it. We're just taking we're going around about we're 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.320 gonna come back. But while we're on your parents, tell 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.720 me about your mom because she also started a magazine. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.880 My parents were both in the music business when I 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.039 before I was born and then a little bit after 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.440 I was born, but by the time I was three 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.480 or four, they're mostly out of it. And so my 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.040 dad was always trying to invent something like well or 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.600 he'd invent something or he would like like think called 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.320 wacky waters, which was stuff that turned your bathtub, bath water, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.520 different colors, okay, but which was a great idea. If 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:14.920 you're a kid, you know you want a blue bath 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.160 or a red bath and stuff like that. But he 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.800 would invent these things and then sell the patent real quick, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.039 and we never really made any money off. Really invented 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.160 all the time. Yeah, he invented to think all the 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.680 I mean he also had like he was working. He 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.280 would put be part of a deli, or he would 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.920 do office supplies. And my biggest fear in life as 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.080 a kid, with somebody go and what does your father do? 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.560 I'd be like, what week is it? But he was 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.400 always inventing, thinking he was going to find the thing, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.640 so air conditioned umbrella, an umbrella with a fan in 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.080 the tops of when you're golfing or something. Also he 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.600 did that. And then eventually, after always inventing, he decided 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.080 what's needed. And my mom was heavy at the time 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.000 and decided she didn't want to diet anymore, and she 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.080 decided they need a fashion magazine for large sized women. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.440 And my dad said, well, let's start one. And they 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.440 didn't know any think about the magazine business, but they 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.760 started one and it ended up being very successful. What 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.520 was it called Big Beautiful Woman Magazine BBW and that 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:11.000 Big Beautiful Women Magazoom. And unfortunately they started that when 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.280 I was like almost out of the house. I was 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.160 like seventeen. I was like, how come you guys made 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.280 your money when I left? So how long did that 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:22.480 magazine run? Oh? Gosh, um, fifteen years, I guess. And 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.320 they had a circulation of I don't know, half a 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.480 million or something around so they did. I mean, but 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.480 my mom had like a line of clothes that she 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:35.640 did on QBC panty Hose and j C Penny. But 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.360 they didn't know anything. Literally, they when the first thing 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:39.680 they did when they decided they were gonna make a 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.640 magazine is like, well, what do we need? Well paper, okay, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.000 And then they made up names on the masthead just 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.520 to look like they had a staff. They had her 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.640 dog's name on my name was it was like you 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.320 name it. I was admired people who are so fearless 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.800 and just diving into news. My mom always says to 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.000 this day, whenever I get scared of what's the worst 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.640 that can happen? The worst thing, I mean, unless somebody's 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.760 going to die, then thathing's really that bad. It just 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.840 might not work exactly, and then you just try something 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.120 else exactly. Take a lesson from your dad, just invent 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.880 something else. You just keep trying and just enjoyed the journey. Okay, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:19.720 that's awesome. Thanks parents. Okay, so that's your dad. We'll 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.760 get to your live coffee drinks. Who would you want 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:27.240 to have coffee or drinks of? Dead or alive? Probably dead? 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.840 This is probably it would be my great grandfather because 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:36.120 I was named after him, Lacey Darby. Yeah, and so 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.679 I don't know. They always said, they said when I 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.920 was born, he died just like maybe a week later, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.160 and he in the hospital like took napkins and made 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.040 a like ripped them and made a picture frame and 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.800 put the picture they brought from the hospital of me 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.640 in it, and like that was so I never got 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.600 to know him, And yeah, I bought to know him. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.319 And then alive we're doing a lot. Okay, Well, I've 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.319 always wanted to be a princess. I liked great princess, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.240 Thank you. I had this weird fascination with like royal 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.959 families and those types of shows and books, and every 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.319 time people are like, what are you reading, I'm like 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.600 a princess book. I don't know why. I just love 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.240 them because we want to be I'd be like, I 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:22.640 just want to know, like what you do on a 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.959 daily basis, or like because I like the fact that 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.760 they have to like do like run a country and 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.240 be smart and all this stuff running the country. But 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.360 you know what I mean that like go and actually 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.040 have to have knowledge of what's going on in the 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.320 you know, in their country. And yeah, and they work 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.240 hard along with getting me where the pretty stresses. So okay, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.079 I love that. Yeah, and they wear crowns, which is 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.960 always great. Crown Just start making your thing wearing crowns. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.920 It might be weird, but it's not weird when you 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.360 make it. That's true. It's only weird. Maybe it's like 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.199 I have them, you know, like Arian Grande has the 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.679 bunny ears. Maybe mom will be a little crown. I 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.320 would like a little one. I think crown your head 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.920 or something like a tiny little You should play around 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.599 with that, I should. I should. I just feel like 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.480 when people look at me, they don't think crown. Not yet, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.480 that's true. We're gonna work on this to have a 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.000 given thing. Okay, who would you want to have? Coffee? 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.720 Drinks a lot that's tough. Have you already had coffee 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:23.800 drinks with everyone? You want to have coffee and drinks 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.160 with a lot of cool people. I mean, she's had 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.559 coffee with us like that. I don't know. Get back 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.720 to me that. I have to think about that. Okay, Okay, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.160 that's a good one. Okay. Um who what would your 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:44.480 name or alter ego? And why? Hmm? Okay? Growing up 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.040 you know the Confessions of the teenage drama queen. I'm 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.960 too old for that. Okay, well, I know I'm about 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.079 a decade plus older than I want to say. It 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.120 was Lindsay Lohan who was the actress, but her name 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.960 was Lola, And I named every doll, everywhere, everything Lola, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.199 and it was like, is Lola, what's her person? She 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.840 is the star of everything. She's just like this little 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.839 spitfire thing. She's like your Sasha fears. Yeah, and she 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.600 like she yeah, she does theater and she's this Broadway 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.839 girl and this all this stuff. I like it. She 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.000 like actually has knowledge of her well, because I honestly, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:22.520 like I would cry to my parents and be like, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.200 why didn't you name me Lola? Yeah? So that's why 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.320 I went through phase of naming everything, Lola, that's really funny. Okay, yeah, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.480 what about you alter ego? I never thought about alter ego. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.680 I think I'm too schizophrenic. I don't need an alter ego. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.240 I am my alter ego constantly, so I think I changed. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:40.920 I never thought about it, but I will say that. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.599 Just funny enough. Gunner and Matthew Nelson, Oh, the Gunners's 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.440 you said that long flowing, beautiful blonde there. So they're 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.040 they're good friends of mine. I just recently did a show, 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.520 one of my songwriter shows in New York, and I said, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.800 do you remember the nickname you guys used to call me? 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.000 And they and it took him a second and they go, oh, 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.040 we call you. We called you red Sonja because I 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.920 was like Red Sonya was I think an action hero 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.000 in one of the like it was like one of 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.760 the Arnold Schwartz and Hagen movies, you know, like she 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.959 was fierce and she was cracked the whip. Because I 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.040 would always be like, be on time. Okay, I want 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:20.520 to know, don't double dip. And I could never see that. Yeah, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.560 they said that My three rules were don't be late, enunciate, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:30.480 and never double dip. Okay, Redah welcome to the interview, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.360 red Sonya that's oh gosh, I don't know. I'm kind 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.400 of schizophrenic to you, and I'm so emotional and every 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.680 season of my life is a different series of emotions. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.720 So I know that I'm a very like open minded 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.240 period right now. So I don't know, I could see that. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.319 I feel very like strong, confident, but it also like 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.520 vulnerable right now, because but that's the best. When you're 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.360 like the most vulnerable and transparent, people connect to you better. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.560 I guess, yeah, I'm gonna very I think because I've 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.720 started in viewing too, like I'm so curious about other 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.480 people that I'm like transcending into their world's a lot 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:06.640 more than I used to because they used to be 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.880 very self focused, and I guess you're always self focused. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.559 But yeah, I don't know. I can't. I'll get back 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.720 to you. This is not about me, Okay, this about y'all. Okay. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.440 So I'm gonna start with Victoria and they we're gonna 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.199 move into Lacey and we're gonna connect it all together. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.520 Interject whenever you want, Lacey, if you have some color, Lola, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:30.240 how okay, Lola's got this? Okay, Okay, So Victoria your singer, songwriter, producer, publisher, dancer, dancer. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.800 Well that's just my mind. So that's a poorly exotic. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.600 So can you tell me what all those rules are 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.440 and which one you like the best and which one 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.040 came first? Because I don't think people listening might know singer. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.440 Everyone knows a singer is, but singer, songwriter, producer, publisher, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.280 break him down, tells about them, where they all came from, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.199 and how they fit together in your life. I was 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.120 singing always, so singing first since I was I think 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.240 I sang before I talked? Why were you always singing? 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.319 Where did that come from? From a musical household? My 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.280 mom always sids, she sang to me before she talked, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.160 I'm going to change your day. You know, everything was 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.040 everything was some so music music, music was part of 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.559 the house. So probably singing. And then you said what 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.600 order or just how which came first? And then together? 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.440 And what do you like the best? Singing came first? 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.240 That was just a natural, just everybody my family saying. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.760 I learned harmony when I was like eight, I think, 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.400 you know, and just singing. It was really weird. And 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.720 now you're gonna hate me for this. We used to 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.000 sing a lot in the car, and my mom would 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.440 do a lot of harmonies. I guess I heard a 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.320 lot of stuff and I was maybe I was nine, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.360 and I had a dream with the song you Are 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.480 My Sunshine and had harmony in it, And the next 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.120 time we sang in the car, I said to my mom, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.360 do be a favorite and sing you Are My Sunshine 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.120 for a second, and I sang when I heard, I 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.520 know that sounds so weird. I dreamed the harmony. I 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.640 dreamed about hearing the song, and ever since then like, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.040 I got it. It's the weirdest thing. But I can't 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.280 hear harmonies at all. I don't know what it is. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:15:00.040 It just no, you're getting so much better. A I 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.560 annoy everybody in the car because they're like, okay, no, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.600 but there's a lot of lead singers that you know, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.120 are are not the harmony people, you know, but you 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.720 takes other people and yeah, you're just not used to that. Anyways, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.800 back to me, and then piano lists piano lessons because 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.320 my mom just you know, it's just said, you know, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.160 you you have to learn how to read, write, arithmetic, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.840 and piano and it doesn't matter what you do with it. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.560 So I learned piano, thank goodness, and then coming here 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.040 into town and getting why Nashville, Because you're in New 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.480 York l A. You started off in l A or 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.120 New York, born in New York, raised in l A. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:32.520 But then you stall in a part of New York. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.720 You're New York or at heart, So why did you 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.840 use to Nashville? Fell in love with country music? It's 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.720 the weirdest thing, and that's like, not, that's not in 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.960 your roots, although because you're I love her roots. My 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:49.680 roots are probably gray now, but that's another story. Um No, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.840 my roots were in California, kind of southern. I mean 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.320 all kinds of stuff, all kinds of music. But back 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.960 then it was kind of that country when country wasn't cool. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.760 Um stuff that crossed over were a lot of Kenny 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.160 Rodgers and Dolly Parton and stuff and marine stuff that 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.200 crossed over. So I didn't And I used to watch 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.640 a lot of TV with the Barbara Mandrell. I didn't 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.040 know I was watching country. I just thought I was 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.120 watching music. So when I started to kind of dive 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.680 into country, I was like, oh, I know that, I 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.360 know that song. So if it was before anything like 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.360 in the sixties or early seventies or something like that. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.600 I didn't know country music. Now I do, but that 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.200 if it was kind of eighties on I I were 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.320 mid seventies, I got it. So I just fell in 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.600 love with country music and started coming down to Nashville. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.360 It was the oddest thing, but I loved it. When 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.400 I went to the Bluebird, I saw my first songwriting show. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.840 And I always dabbled in songwriting, but then I thought, oh, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.840 I'm gonna buckle down and I'm gonna really really try 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.800 this songwriting, and I'm gonna get noticed, and i'm gonna 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.440 get a record deal. And you know, like and you 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.600 did all of this, you have notice and you gotta record, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.600 but not overnight. It was a good eight years after 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.320 coming down here. But some of the people that you 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.040 first started writing with were Garth Brooks, like you started writing, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.200 Marcus Hummond, He's written so and new songs, got a bust, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.760 The Broken Road, Rascal Fat's my favorite. But how did 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.400 you and Garth get linked up? Because you are like 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.280 buds um We in fact where you have his grand 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:05.240 piano in your Actually it's tricious. Sorry, I mean he'll 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.240 call it Tricia's even though it's in their house. Um 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.800 but uh, yeah, I met his manager Bob Doyle a 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.000 long time ago and his uh CO manager Pam Lewis 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.480 at the time, and they just introduced me at this 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.040 I used to crash and he did not become Garth 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.320 Brooks yet, right, No, I've never even heard that name. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.920 I thought that was the weirdest name I've ever heard. Garth. Garth, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.200 what a name. And I don't forget that, and so 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.679 um so yeah, we met at the Upperland Hotel at 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.280 the country radio seminar one time, and we always say 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.720 we met in the bathroom because we actually, after we 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.600 talked it was so loud we went into the bathroom 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.520 just to exchange phone numbers and be able to write 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.600 it down. So people laugh that we met kind of 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.879 in the bathroom. But but yeah, So then all of 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.840 a sudden, songwriting seemed like the thing to do. And 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.640 then as you get to be an artist, you start 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.200 to demo and I didn't realize it at the time 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.600 that I was probably that I was, you know, moving 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.560 these demos along. You know, you still think, well, I 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.240 can't be a producer because I don't produce my demos. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.160 And then after a while, you're like producing your demos 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.240 and and as as my success. And as I kept going, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.360 I thought, um, you know what I can producing demos 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.639 and producing masters only differences of better lunch budget and 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.840 you know, and more time for studio. So before you 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.040 get to producing. No, you have wrote six number one 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.920 hits for Garth Brooks. Is that right? No? But you 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.720 number one? Good? Yes? I did six number one and 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.840 and you've written six number one. Yeah, okay, so tell 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.640 me your break hits a lot for Garth Brooks. Also, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.919 you wrote Nobody Wants to Be Lonely for Christina Aguilar 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.840 and Ricky Martin, which I love that song, thank you, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.600 A song called Choose every Woman for Garth for Garth, 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.080 um song called I Love I Love the Way You 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.600 Love Me for John Michael read the River for Garth, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.000 the River Sorry, the River brook And then you were 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.480 saying for John Barry that I love no nothing for 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.280 John Barry but John Barry, John Michael Montgomery. Oh, I 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.119 don't think your Assember John Barry. I'll take it. I 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.240 like John. So then yes, I love the Way you 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.040 Love me for John Michael Myngomery. Are you kidding me? 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.440 That's the best? That is the best, thank you, thank you. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.520 And then I've had number one's like a Christmas song 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.000 on the out of Contemporary charts called Sending You a 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.280 Little Christmas. I've had a number one on the Latin charts, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.800 which was a Ricky Martin song. So I've just kind 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.120 of been all over the charts everything but rap duck 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.840 Stone too busy being in love. So God, that's terrible 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.560 that I forgot that. I'm very proud of that. What's 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.560 wrong with you? I don't know? Thank God I wrote 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:21.280 it down. There's just so many mommy brain, did you 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:27.119 say where your road leads for Garth and Tricia? Oh? Yeah, okay, okay, 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.639 is there something wrong with you? You know what? I had? 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.520 How many hits? Mommy brain? I'm sorry, it's on the 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.280 other things. Okay, so songwriting, lad to you getting a 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.320 record deal, right? And you were coming up with Faith 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.480 Hill like y'all were. But yeah, she was my roommate. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:52.520 We lived together for a while. Okay, naked, that's why 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.800 that's why you're friends everyone. You want to know everything 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.440 there right there, Faith Hill stain or naked? And what 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.000 did you look like? Which is why I had to 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.840 kick her out? She could be my roommate anymore. She's 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:11.200 too pretty. So yeah, so Faith, we all came up together, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:12.800 you know, all those people, So it was kind of fun. 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.600 It was a Gary Burr. It's just like the class 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.520 of our classes always. So when you say that, because 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:22.200 now I've started to see that, yes, you totally feel crazy. Yeah, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.480 your Brett Eldred's was in yours. We played our first 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.439 show together. I remember at Excident like we both has 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.440 never played a show before and we played it together. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.320 See that to me, is that the most fun part? 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.840 Like when I got the roster for ma Fest, I 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:37.840 saw five of my friends on there and I ty, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.080