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Speaker 1: actually got the scoop on one side. No one can
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Speaker 1: Quiet Black Caral Carola. Hey, y'all, welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Caroline Hobby. I know music, I
Speaker 1: know people, and I know the questions you want to ask,
Speaker 1: so let's get hyper heads up. These are adults having
Speaker 1: adult conversations, so there could be adult content. This week
Speaker 1: is super exciting for me because I have my mentor,
Speaker 1: Victoria's Shaw on the show. She was the very first
Speaker 1: person I interned for. I entered for her for probably
Speaker 1: five years in Nashville. She taught me everything about songwriting,
Speaker 1: and then she ended up signing me to my first
Speaker 1: publishing deal. She wrote The River for Garth Brooks and
Speaker 1: she's every woman for Garth Brooks. She's written Uh, Nobody
Speaker 1: Wants to Be Lonely for Ricky Martin and Christina Aguilera,
Speaker 1: I Love the Way You Love Me for John Michael Montgomery.
Speaker 1: And she's just an incredible person and I'm so thankful
Speaker 1: to have her in my life. And she is also
Speaker 1: on this episode with Lacey Cavalier, who was an artist
Speaker 1: she has been working with. And Lacey is gorgeous inside
Speaker 1: and out, stunning, stunning soul. She is so talented. She
Speaker 1: just got off to our chase Rice. She has tons
Speaker 1: of new music and the work that she's putting out
Speaker 1: and she was on Barney What So y'all get excited.
Speaker 1: Their interview is awesome. Welcome Lacey and Victoria. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: Hello you are I'm Caroline Hobby. I am interviewing you
Speaker 1: guys for my fantastic podcast, Hypercalling Hobby. Let me introduce.
Speaker 1: So I have here, I have Lacey Cavalier and Victoria Shaw. Hello,
Speaker 1: and this is a joint interview because the common thread
Speaker 1: is Lacey and I. I'm no longer pursuing music, but
Speaker 1: Lacey is an incredible singer and Victoria and songwriter and
Speaker 1: performer in Victoria is the link between the two of us,
Speaker 1: where you are both of our first publishing deal and
Speaker 1: kind of our first start in the music business. So
Speaker 1: it's very exciting, very special. You are very and I
Speaker 1: think you were like one of the first people I
Speaker 1: met when I moved here. I was like fourteen fifteen
Speaker 1: years old, and Vic introduced me to you, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, she's half riding. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: first off, Lacey Cavlier is probably the most beautiful human.
Speaker 1: And I decided today that like you an award for
Speaker 1: best hair in Nashville. Me. Yes, really, I'm not kidding you, Carolina.
Speaker 1: Every tom I see a picture, I'm like, how did
Speaker 1: she do it? And You're just like, I just wash it.
Speaker 1: If they just learned how to crawl my hair like
Speaker 1: it aged. But that's what I'm saying, Like you always
Speaker 1: wear it natural and it like look, it's perfect. So
Speaker 1: she's you know, if you find a secret fan pages me,
Speaker 1: I totally appreciate that because I think you have the
Speaker 1: best air. Okay, So I'm going to start off with
Speaker 1: a few little rapid fire questions speaking to the migraphone. Okay,
Speaker 1: this guys for both of you all see both answer.
Speaker 1: What is your spirit animal? It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: like an actual animal. Give you whatever you want to be. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've never asked that, like hotcorn, skinny pop is your
Speaker 1: spirit animal? Yeah, I'm going with it. Okay, tell me why.
Speaker 1: It just like makes me feel all kinds of waste.
Speaker 1: Wo yeah. Seven or roll with that one? Okay, skinny
Speaker 1: pop popcorn, spirit animal? Yeah, what you got? I guess
Speaker 1: I'll just say, um, a monkey, because I can swing
Speaker 1: from thing to thing from fine fine, okay, yeah life.
Speaker 1: You know I sleep buying to buying to bind. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I got popcorn and monkey. Great. So Victoria can
Speaker 1: eat Lacey for a snack. I like chocolate. I like
Speaker 1: something more caloric. Okay, okay. Who who's the person you
Speaker 1: want to have coffee with or drinks with? And why?
Speaker 1: Anyone anytime, any place, alive or dead? Any No? I
Speaker 1: need I need a yeah either okay, first dead and alive.
Speaker 1: And also everyone we have a dog, Bagel who will
Speaker 1: be making appearances on the show. So if you hear panting,
Speaker 1: it's not any of asked me, it's wasting are gosh,
Speaker 1: this is hard. Oh I can go dead easy. I'd
Speaker 1: love to have coffee with my dad, and it's today
Speaker 1: his birthday, so that would be nice. That would be nice. Um,
Speaker 1: what would you talk about? Oh? God, we'd laugh. He
Speaker 1: made me laugh, so we would laugh a lot. And
Speaker 1: your dad was an entertainment business, yes, and he was
Speaker 1: an inventor and always inventing things and really fearless and
Speaker 1: really big and loud and brave, so and he liked life,
Speaker 1: so he would be bummed that he was dead. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's where you got a lot of your
Speaker 1: lad for the entertainment industry and your big personality, Oh,
Speaker 1: from both my parents, but yeah, probably the big from
Speaker 1: my dad. But uh and fearlessness. I mean I got
Speaker 1: a lot from both of them, Victoria, why are you barking?
Speaker 1: Maybe my spirit animals. So we're gonna I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to your supa. Since we're honest, tell me about your
Speaker 1: mom and your dad, because that is how you got
Speaker 1: into music. I think if you get to do the
Speaker 1: coffee with a live person, we're going to get back
Speaker 1: to it. We're just taking we're going around about we're
Speaker 1: gonna come back. But while we're on your parents, tell
Speaker 1: me about your mom because she also started a magazine.
Speaker 1: My parents were both in the music business when I
Speaker 1: before I was born and then a little bit after
Speaker 1: I was born, but by the time I was three
Speaker 1: or four, they're mostly out of it. And so my
Speaker 1: dad was always trying to invent something like well or
Speaker 1: he'd invent something or he would like like think called
Speaker 1: wacky waters, which was stuff that turned your bathtub, bath water,
Speaker 1: different colors, okay, but which was a great idea. If
Speaker 1: you're a kid, you know you want a blue bath
Speaker 1: or a red bath and stuff like that. But he
Speaker 1: would invent these things and then sell the patent real quick,
Speaker 1: and we never really made any money off. Really invented
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, he invented to think all the
Speaker 1: I mean he also had like he was working. He
Speaker 1: would put be part of a deli, or he would
Speaker 1: do office supplies. And my biggest fear in life as
Speaker 1: a kid, with somebody go and what does your father do?
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what week is it? But he was
Speaker 1: always inventing, thinking he was going to find the thing,
Speaker 1: so air conditioned umbrella, an umbrella with a fan in
Speaker 1: the tops of when you're golfing or something. Also he
Speaker 1: did that. And then eventually, after always inventing, he decided
Speaker 1: what's needed. And my mom was heavy at the time
Speaker 1: and decided she didn't want to diet anymore, and she
Speaker 1: decided they need a fashion magazine for large sized women.
Speaker 1: And my dad said, well, let's start one. And they
Speaker 1: didn't know any think about the magazine business, but they
Speaker 1: started one and it ended up being very successful. What
Speaker 1: was it called Big Beautiful Woman Magazine BBW and that
Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Women Magazoom. And unfortunately they started that when
Speaker 1: I was like almost out of the house. I was
Speaker 1: like seventeen. I was like, how come you guys made
Speaker 1: your money when I left? So how long did that
Speaker 1: magazine run? Oh? Gosh, um, fifteen years, I guess. And
Speaker 1: they had a circulation of I don't know, half a
Speaker 1: million or something around so they did. I mean, but
Speaker 1: my mom had like a line of clothes that she
Speaker 1: did on QBC panty Hose and j C Penny. But
Speaker 1: they didn't know anything. Literally, they when the first thing
Speaker 1: they did when they decided they were gonna make a
Speaker 1: magazine is like, well, what do we need? Well paper, okay,
Speaker 1: And then they made up names on the masthead just
Speaker 1: to look like they had a staff. They had her
Speaker 1: dog's name on my name was it was like you
Speaker 1: name it. I was admired people who are so fearless
Speaker 1: and just diving into news. My mom always says to
Speaker 1: this day, whenever I get scared of what's the worst
Speaker 1: that can happen? The worst thing, I mean, unless somebody's
Speaker 1: going to die, then thathing's really that bad. It just
Speaker 1: might not work exactly, and then you just try something
Speaker 1: else exactly. Take a lesson from your dad, just invent
Speaker 1: something else. You just keep trying and just enjoyed the journey. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Thanks parents. Okay, so that's your dad. We'll
Speaker 1: get to your live coffee drinks. Who would you want
Speaker 1: to have coffee or drinks of? Dead or alive? Probably dead?
Speaker 1: This is probably it would be my great grandfather because
Speaker 1: I was named after him, Lacey Darby. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know. They always said, they said when I
Speaker 1: was born, he died just like maybe a week later,
Speaker 1: and he in the hospital like took napkins and made
Speaker 1: a like ripped them and made a picture frame and
Speaker 1: put the picture they brought from the hospital of me
Speaker 1: in it, and like that was so I never got
Speaker 1: to know him, And yeah, I bought to know him.
Speaker 1: And then alive we're doing a lot. Okay, Well, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a princess. I liked great princess,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I had this weird fascination with like royal
Speaker 1: families and those types of shows and books, and every
Speaker 1: time people are like, what are you reading, I'm like
Speaker 1: a princess book. I don't know why. I just love
Speaker 1: them because we want to be I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: just want to know, like what you do on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, or like because I like the fact that
Speaker 1: they have to like do like run a country and
Speaker 1: be smart and all this stuff running the country. But
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that like go and actually
Speaker 1: have to have knowledge of what's going on in the
Speaker 1: you know, in their country. And yeah, and they work
Speaker 1: hard along with getting me where the pretty stresses. So okay,
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and they wear crowns, which is
Speaker 1: always great. Crown Just start making your thing wearing crowns.
Speaker 1: It might be weird, but it's not weird when you
Speaker 1: make it. That's true. It's only weird. Maybe it's like
Speaker 1: I have them, you know, like Arian Grande has the
Speaker 1: bunny ears. Maybe mom will be a little crown. I
Speaker 1: would like a little one. I think crown your head
Speaker 1: or something like a tiny little You should play around
Speaker 1: with that, I should. I should. I just feel like
Speaker 1: when people look at me, they don't think crown. Not yet,
Speaker 1: that's true. We're gonna work on this to have a
Speaker 1: given thing. Okay, who would you want to have? Coffee?
Speaker 1: Drinks a lot that's tough. Have you already had coffee
Speaker 1: drinks with everyone? You want to have coffee and drinks
Speaker 1: with a lot of cool people. I mean, she's had
Speaker 1: coffee with us like that. I don't know. Get back
Speaker 1: to me that. I have to think about that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Okay. Um who what would your
Speaker 1: name or alter ego? And why? Hmm? Okay? Growing up
Speaker 1: you know the Confessions of the teenage drama queen. I'm
Speaker 1: too old for that. Okay, well, I know I'm about
Speaker 1: a decade plus older than I want to say. It
Speaker 1: was Lindsay Lohan who was the actress, but her name
Speaker 1: was Lola, And I named every doll, everywhere, everything Lola,
Speaker 1: and it was like, is Lola, what's her person? She
Speaker 1: is the star of everything. She's just like this little
Speaker 1: spitfire thing. She's like your Sasha fears. Yeah, and she
Speaker 1: like she yeah, she does theater and she's this Broadway
Speaker 1: girl and this all this stuff. I like it. She
Speaker 1: like actually has knowledge of her well, because I honestly,
Speaker 1: like I would cry to my parents and be like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you name me Lola? Yeah? So that's why
Speaker 1: I went through phase of naming everything, Lola, that's really funny. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about you alter ego? I never thought about alter ego.
Speaker 1: I think I'm too schizophrenic. I don't need an alter ego.
Speaker 1: I am my alter ego constantly, so I think I changed.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it, but I will say that.
Speaker 1: Just funny enough. Gunner and Matthew Nelson, Oh, the Gunners's
Speaker 1: you said that long flowing, beautiful blonde there. So they're
Speaker 1: they're good friends of mine. I just recently did a show,
Speaker 1: one of my songwriter shows in New York, and I said,
Speaker 1: do you remember the nickname you guys used to call me?
Speaker 1: And they and it took him a second and they go, oh,
Speaker 1: we call you. We called you red Sonja because I
Speaker 1: was like Red Sonya was I think an action hero
Speaker 1: in one of the like it was like one of
Speaker 1: the Arnold Schwartz and Hagen movies, you know, like she
Speaker 1: was fierce and she was cracked the whip. Because I
Speaker 1: would always be like, be on time. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to know, don't double dip. And I could never see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said that My three rules were don't be late, enunciate,
Speaker 1: and never double dip. Okay, Redah welcome to the interview,
Speaker 1: red Sonya that's oh gosh, I don't know. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of schizophrenic to you, and I'm so emotional and every
Speaker 1: season of my life is a different series of emotions.
Speaker 1: So I know that I'm a very like open minded
Speaker 1: period right now. So I don't know, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I feel very like strong, confident, but it also like
Speaker 1: vulnerable right now, because but that's the best. When you're
Speaker 1: like the most vulnerable and transparent, people connect to you better.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I'm gonna very I think because I've
Speaker 1: started in viewing too, like I'm so curious about other
Speaker 1: people that I'm like transcending into their world's a lot
Speaker 1: more than I used to because they used to be
Speaker 1: very self focused, and I guess you're always self focused.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I can't. I'll get back
Speaker 1: to you. This is not about me, Okay, this about y'all. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with Victoria and they we're gonna
Speaker 1: move into Lacey and we're gonna connect it all together.
Speaker 1: Interject whenever you want, Lacey, if you have some color, Lola,
Speaker 1: how okay, Lola's got this? Okay, Okay, So Victoria your singer, songwriter, producer, publisher, dancer, dancer.
Speaker 1: Well that's just my mind. So that's a poorly exotic.
Speaker 1: So can you tell me what all those rules are
Speaker 1: and which one you like the best and which one
Speaker 1: came first? Because I don't think people listening might know singer.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows a singer is, but singer, songwriter, producer, publisher,
Speaker 1: break him down, tells about them, where they all came from,
Speaker 1: and how they fit together in your life. I was
Speaker 1: singing always, so singing first since I was I think
Speaker 1: I sang before I talked? Why were you always singing?
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? From a musical household? My
Speaker 1: mom always sids, she sang to me before she talked,
Speaker 1: I'm going to change your day. You know, everything was
Speaker 1: everything was some so music music, music was part of
Speaker 1: the house. So probably singing. And then you said what
Speaker 1: order or just how which came first? And then together?
Speaker 1: And what do you like the best? Singing came first?
Speaker 1: That was just a natural, just everybody my family saying.
Speaker 1: I learned harmony when I was like eight, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, and just singing. It was really weird. And
Speaker 1: now you're gonna hate me for this. We used to
Speaker 1: sing a lot in the car, and my mom would
Speaker 1: do a lot of harmonies. I guess I heard a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and I was maybe I was nine,
Speaker 1: and I had a dream with the song you Are
Speaker 1: My Sunshine and had harmony in it, And the next
Speaker 1: time we sang in the car, I said to my mom,
Speaker 1: do be a favorite and sing you Are My Sunshine
Speaker 1: for a second, and I sang when I heard, I
Speaker 1: know that sounds so weird. I dreamed the harmony. I
Speaker 1: dreamed about hearing the song, and ever since then like,
Speaker 1: I got it. It's the weirdest thing. But I can't
Speaker 1: hear harmonies at all. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: It just no, you're getting so much better. A I
Speaker 1: annoy everybody in the car because they're like, okay, no,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of lead singers that you know,
Speaker 1: are are not the harmony people, you know, but you
Speaker 1: takes other people and yeah, you're just not used to that. Anyways,
Speaker 1: back to me, and then piano lists piano lessons because
Speaker 1: my mom just you know, it's just said, you know,
Speaker 1: you you have to learn how to read, write, arithmetic,
Speaker 1: and piano and it doesn't matter what you do with it.
Speaker 1: So I learned piano, thank goodness, and then coming here
Speaker 1: into town and getting why Nashville, Because you're in New
Speaker 1: York l A. You started off in l A or
Speaker 1: New York, born in New York, raised in l A.
Speaker 1: But then you stall in a part of New York.
Speaker 1: You're New York or at heart, So why did you
Speaker 1: use to Nashville? Fell in love with country music? It's
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing, and that's like, not, that's not in
Speaker 1: your roots, although because you're I love her roots. My
Speaker 1: roots are probably gray now, but that's another story. Um No,
Speaker 1: my roots were in California, kind of southern. I mean
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, all kinds of music. But back
Speaker 1: then it was kind of that country when country wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: Um stuff that crossed over were a lot of Kenny
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Dolly Parton and stuff and marine stuff that
Speaker 1: crossed over. So I didn't And I used to watch
Speaker 1: a lot of TV with the Barbara Mandrell. I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was watching country. I just thought I was
Speaker 1: watching music. So when I started to kind of dive
Speaker 1: into country, I was like, oh, I know that, I
Speaker 1: know that song. So if it was before anything like
Speaker 1: in the sixties or early seventies or something like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know country music. Now I do, but that
Speaker 1: if it was kind of eighties on I I were
Speaker 1: mid seventies, I got it. So I just fell in
Speaker 1: love with country music and started coming down to Nashville.
Speaker 1: It was the oddest thing, but I loved it. When
Speaker 1: I went to the Bluebird, I saw my first songwriting show.
Speaker 1: And I always dabbled in songwriting, but then I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buckle down and I'm gonna really really try
Speaker 1: this songwriting, and I'm gonna get noticed, and i'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a record deal. And you know, like and you
Speaker 1: did all of this, you have notice and you gotta record,
Speaker 1: but not overnight. It was a good eight years after
Speaker 1: coming down here. But some of the people that you
Speaker 1: first started writing with were Garth Brooks, like you started writing,
Speaker 1: Marcus Hummond, He's written so and new songs, got a bust,
Speaker 1: The Broken Road, Rascal Fat's my favorite. But how did
Speaker 1: you and Garth get linked up? Because you are like
Speaker 1: buds um We in fact where you have his grand
Speaker 1: piano in your Actually it's tricious. Sorry, I mean he'll
Speaker 1: call it Tricia's even though it's in their house. Um
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, I met his manager Bob Doyle a
Speaker 1: long time ago and his uh CO manager Pam Lewis
Speaker 1: at the time, and they just introduced me at this
Speaker 1: I used to crash and he did not become Garth
Speaker 1: Brooks yet, right, No, I've never even heard that name.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the weirdest name I've ever heard. Garth. Garth,
Speaker 1: what a name. And I don't forget that, and so
Speaker 1: um so yeah, we met at the Upperland Hotel at
Speaker 1: the country radio seminar one time, and we always say
Speaker 1: we met in the bathroom because we actually, after we
Speaker 1: talked it was so loud we went into the bathroom
Speaker 1: just to exchange phone numbers and be able to write
Speaker 1: it down. So people laugh that we met kind of
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. But but yeah, So then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, songwriting seemed like the thing to do. And
Speaker 1: then as you get to be an artist, you start
Speaker 1: to demo and I didn't realize it at the time
Speaker 1: that I was probably that I was, you know, moving
Speaker 1: these demos along. You know, you still think, well, I
Speaker 1: can't be a producer because I don't produce my demos.
Speaker 1: And then after a while, you're like producing your demos
Speaker 1: and and as as my success. And as I kept going,
Speaker 1: I thought, um, you know what I can producing demos
Speaker 1: and producing masters only differences of better lunch budget and
Speaker 1: you know, and more time for studio. So before you
Speaker 1: get to producing. No, you have wrote six number one
Speaker 1: hits for Garth Brooks. Is that right? No? But you
Speaker 1: number one? Good? Yes? I did six number one and
Speaker 1: and you've written six number one. Yeah, okay, so tell
Speaker 1: me your break hits a lot for Garth Brooks. Also,
Speaker 1: you wrote Nobody Wants to Be Lonely for Christina Aguilar
Speaker 1: and Ricky Martin, which I love that song, thank you,
Speaker 1: A song called Choose every Woman for Garth for Garth,
Speaker 1: um song called I Love I Love the Way You
Speaker 1: Love Me for John Michael read the River for Garth,
Speaker 1: the River Sorry, the River brook And then you were
Speaker 1: saying for John Barry that I love no nothing for
Speaker 1: John Barry but John Barry, John Michael Montgomery. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think your Assember John Barry. I'll take it. I
Speaker 1: like John. So then yes, I love the Way you
Speaker 1: Love me for John Michael Myngomery. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's the best? That is the best, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: And then I've had number one's like a Christmas song
Speaker 1: on the out of Contemporary charts called Sending You a
Speaker 1: Little Christmas. I've had a number one on the Latin charts,
Speaker 1: which was a Ricky Martin song. So I've just kind
Speaker 1: of been all over the charts everything but rap duck
Speaker 1: Stone too busy being in love. So God, that's terrible
Speaker 1: that I forgot that. I'm very proud of that. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with you? I don't know? Thank God I wrote
Speaker 1: it down. There's just so many mommy brain, did you
Speaker 1: say where your road leads for Garth and Tricia? Oh? Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: is there something wrong with you? You know what? I had?
Speaker 1: How many hits? Mommy brain? I'm sorry, it's on the
Speaker 1: other things. Okay, so songwriting, lad to you getting a
Speaker 1: record deal, right? And you were coming up with Faith
Speaker 1: Hill like y'all were. But yeah, she was my roommate.
Speaker 1: We lived together for a while. Okay, naked, that's why
Speaker 1: that's why you're friends everyone. You want to know everything
Speaker 1: there right there, Faith Hill stain or naked? And what
Speaker 1: did you look like? Which is why I had to
Speaker 1: kick her out? She could be my roommate anymore. She's
Speaker 1: too pretty. So yeah, so Faith, we all came up together,
Speaker 1: you know, all those people, So it was kind of fun.
Speaker 1: It was a Gary Burr. It's just like the class
Speaker 1: of our classes always. So when you say that, because
Speaker 1: now I've started to see that, yes, you totally feel crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your Brett Eldred's was in yours. We played our first
Speaker 1: show together. I remember at Excident like we both has
Speaker 1: never played a show before and we played it together.
Speaker 1: See that to me, is that the most fun part?
Speaker 1: Like when I got the roster for ma Fest, I
Speaker 1: saw five of my friends on there and I ty,
Speaker 1: Someone's like, how the heck did we get here? Last year?
Speaker 1: We were like crowing at a bowl and Alley, this
Speaker 1: is never gonna happen? And are it really crazy? If
Speaker 1: you stick to your dreams like they really and then
Speaker 1: you're like a magnet, You're attracted to people more like
Speaker 1: yourself who are talented. A talent attracts talent and then
Speaker 1: you guys just you know. That's why I love about Nashville.
Speaker 1: Such a family and it is like a little class system.
Speaker 1: It's like you're gray, It's like you really do like
Speaker 1: there's freshman junior song were senior in the graduate you're
Speaker 1: in my graduate school. You're a professor graduate. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a professor. Okay, alrighte okay. So once you started writing,
Speaker 1: then you realize that you've got a record deal. You're
Speaker 1: sending a Warner Brothers. So you actually competed against Faith
Speaker 1: Hil for Best New Female Vocalist. No, I competed against
Speaker 1: um um them A Awards Shania Twain. You were nominated
Speaker 1: for Best New Female, Best New Female, Shania Twain and
Speaker 1: um me, I didn't know that. Yes, and that third
Speaker 1: person was you worked it out there, did shan iowen? Uh? Yes, rude, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the first I do love Shania. It was probably
Speaker 1: the cheat out. That cheat out it was. I think
Speaker 1: it was against Saith. It wasn't against Faith. It was
Speaker 1: against Shelley Wright. Oh I love right who I love of?
Speaker 1: And maybe you know what it was. Shania was on
Speaker 1: something I was up I think the a cm A war.
Speaker 1: When I was up for Best a New Vocalist, it
Speaker 1: was Shelly Wright and Music Country. Yeah, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember Lisa broke off, yes, and so Shelley wrote Shelly one.
Speaker 1: But Shelley was great because she did my hair day
Speaker 1: before for an interview we did. I love her. It
Speaker 1: was already moved on from your artist career, though. You
Speaker 1: also played the legendary uh Wait Central Park with Garth
Speaker 1: Brook where he did that huge free concert in Central
Speaker 1: Park that the whole park was just covered in people
Speaker 1: like farm and you were the opening actors, just you
Speaker 1: and Garth just being Garth, Like, seriously, tell us about that.
Speaker 1: Um that was, you know, what's funny? Talk about nerves.
Speaker 1: I was given like I think twenty seven minutes or something.
Speaker 1: I was allowed, and I was so nervous. I played
Speaker 1: everything too fast and I got off early. I didn't
Speaker 1: take my full time. When I got off and looked
Speaker 1: at my clock, I was like, I gotta got another song,
Speaker 1: but I it was just kind of in and out.
Speaker 1: But it really stuff that was really fun. And then
Speaker 1: I got to watch the concert and it was now
Speaker 1: he's going to do Yankee Stadium. You know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really cool. But what's funny is in March, I
Speaker 1: went with my daughter. Her theater class or high school
Speaker 1: theater class had a New York trip and they were
Speaker 1: and I went as one of the chaperones. So they
Speaker 1: went on a tour of Central Park, and the tour
Speaker 1: guid said, and this is where Garth Brooks had his
Speaker 1: legendary concert. And my daughter was like, my mom opened floor?
Speaker 1: Can you believe so? But like, what kind of bragg
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be a trivial pursue question. Who was the
Speaker 1: first country artist to play Central Park? Wasn't Garth? For you?
Speaker 1: Broke record? He closed the show for me? So yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: how good a friends are that he asked you to open?
Speaker 1: I think he saw the New York connection, which was cool,
Speaker 1: you know, and then he called me and said, you know,
Speaker 1: he could have asked anybody, but he would have been done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was cool because I mean literally was so
Speaker 1: close to my apartment, so I took a cab up there.
Speaker 1: How many people were in that we're at that show?
Speaker 1: I think about a million, But after the first fifty
Speaker 1: you can't see anymore millions. I think it's like you've
Speaker 1: never told me there was a million? Did the city
Speaker 1: shot down? The city was amazing? And I was just
Speaker 1: talking to Garth about this. It was in August. August
Speaker 1: is so hot? You wear spandex? I think a crop shop? No,
Speaker 1: what are you? What? Crap. I don't remember, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, but I was wearing a Manuel jacket.
Speaker 1: I do know that, but it was an incredible designer.
Speaker 1: And actually, yes, I was talking to the garth and saying,
Speaker 1: because he was hoping that the weather was going to
Speaker 1: be good for this Yankee Stadium thing, I said, you
Speaker 1: change the weather in August in New York. No humidity,
Speaker 1: a little breeze, And I remember talking to my mom
Speaker 1: looking out, going, Okay, this is not the weather that
Speaker 1: should be. Now. He has really good connections. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: he's got that good energy. Yeah, okay, so you did
Speaker 1: the artist. I did the artist two albums on Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers and UM Warner Repris, and they offered me another one.
Speaker 1: But it really just didn't happen the way I hoped
Speaker 1: it would happen. And at that point I just thought,
Speaker 1: I think it's time to move on and change up
Speaker 1: my karma and have a baby, because that's something I
Speaker 1: really wanted to do, and I kept putting it off,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to put it off anymore. My
Speaker 1: father had just passed away, and it seemed like a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things were needing to change.
Speaker 1: So I just thought, I need to This is not
Speaker 1: the right home for me, even though I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: I got to have two records. It was great. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: And so then I cut my hair and I left
Speaker 1: my management. I feel like kind of hair is always
Speaker 1: a moment totally transform. Yeah. I took off all the
Speaker 1: big curls, cut my hair, got pregnant. Um, left my Yeah,
Speaker 1: I left my pr my went for ASC after to
Speaker 1: see Sack. I left my agents went, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: just try to change, changed it all and are you
Speaker 1: glad you changed totally completely? And then decided, I really
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do was develop artists because I
Speaker 1: thought I'd be good at it. I think it's the
Speaker 1: artist in me and the mother and me and I
Speaker 1: have a lot of patients when I love something, really
Speaker 1: really a lot of patients because I just think things
Speaker 1: take time, slow and steady. So um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I was looking for a guy and then
Speaker 1: ended up finding Hillary and then eventually finding that leads
Speaker 1: to slay. And by the way, the panting is back
Speaker 1: full force because there's not lazy panting, but there is
Speaker 1: thunder outside and our sweet little Bagel teacup over here
Speaker 1: is very nervous or she's gonna pant a whittle bit.
Speaker 1: So then you moved into producing and you linked up
Speaker 1: with Hillary Scott from Lady into Bellum, who was about
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, the same age you're nineteen now, yes, but
Speaker 1: she was. It sounds still so young. You've done so
Speaker 1: much for nineteen years. But for you, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: like I met you and you're so young, but I
Speaker 1: could be your mother. That would be that would be wrong,
Speaker 1: but it could happen. So you linked up with Hillary Scott,
Speaker 1: you started developing her, you signed her to a publishing deal,
Speaker 1: and then here comes Charles and Dave and they formed
Speaker 1: Lady into Bellum and you co produced it with Paul
Speaker 1: really talking about that. Um, just it was all an
Speaker 1: amazing experience. It was to work with them for five years.
Speaker 1: We'll work for Hillary for five years, for the boys
Speaker 1: for about three, I guess, um and get him their
Speaker 1: deal and and just I mean they used to just
Speaker 1: live at my office basically big you know, coming all
Speaker 1: the time to write and we demo and they you know,
Speaker 1: Charles would call and ask for you know, how should
Speaker 1: this set list go for this show? What do you
Speaker 1: think about that? You know, it was It was really
Speaker 1: a very uh incredible time and I did everything just
Speaker 1: by gut, nothing by the way it's supposed to do it.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a paid uh you usually you get
Speaker 1: money for a showcase, but we just they just got
Speaker 1: started playing out and I just called everybody and their
Speaker 1: mother and by the end of that night they had
Speaker 1: three deals offered and by the next day they had five.
Speaker 1: And I mean, but they've been play but they had
Speaker 1: been playing once a week at the Thortan Lindsley and
Speaker 1: really just honing their stuff and and just getting better
Speaker 1: and better and writing and writing, and I believed in
Speaker 1: them and and then got to co produce the first
Speaker 1: album and one SMA producer SMA album single of the Year,
Speaker 1: which was I Run to You, which was I Run
Speaker 1: so that one single of the year. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: really amazing. How did that feel? Totally a surprise? Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was surprised when I actually I didn't when I
Speaker 1: won the A c M for I Love the Way
Speaker 1: You Loved Me, I was so sure Chattahoochi was going
Speaker 1: to get it, so I was kind of relaxed in
Speaker 1: my seat. And then when they called, I run to you.
Speaker 1: Who do you think it was gonna get it? I
Speaker 1: don't remember what else was up there at the moment now,
Speaker 1: but I remember just turning. Paul Whirley was sitting behind me,
Speaker 1: and we just kind of looked at each other, like what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it all got to station, except they it was something.
Speaker 1: Did you know what's there? Did you freeze? I never freeze.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I said, but I don't free
Speaker 1: Oh okay, it's okay. There's a lot happening here. Someone's
Speaker 1: coming in an interview. We're just doing a quick interview
Speaker 1: over here. Leslie said, we can use their office, like
Speaker 1: we're in Leslie Thomasina's office. Who is the wife of
Speaker 1: Bob Dapira, who I also interviewed for my podcast. I
Speaker 1: don't know, so she knows. Oh yeah, I'd interviewed Bob
Speaker 1: and he's an amazing Oh my gosh, the stories are incredible.
Speaker 1: So we're all connected. This Nashville web is very tight.
Speaker 1: So I uh, talking about Hillary and being so young,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to work with anybody else young again
Speaker 1: just me. I loved her, still love her, but just thought,
Speaker 1: you know that that was a one time thing and
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, oh, you did her, so
Speaker 1: let me bring every you know, here's my here's my embryo,
Speaker 1: here's my ami. You know, here's my four year old,
Speaker 1: you know like this. It was constantly, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: until Lazy came walking into my office where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go, because I just fell in love with
Speaker 1: her and she had this special thing aura around her,
Speaker 1: just like Hillary did. Just this special unique individual start us,
Speaker 1: start us. Yes, And it doesn't matter that you have
Speaker 1: to have you need to you know, work, you know,
Speaker 1: and owning and eduction, you know, like just educating your craft.
Speaker 1: If you don't have that start us to begin with,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter. I agree. Where do you see
Speaker 1: yourself in the next five years? What's your dream? What
Speaker 1: does your dream five years look by from now? Because
Speaker 1: you've called much quite a bit in your lifetime, but
Speaker 1: there's so much more. I know what you never stopped dreaming.
Speaker 1: Oh you're also working with the Property brothers like you
Speaker 1: just have with them all the time. You just recorded
Speaker 1: their new songs. Was number five on she a State
Speaker 1: video on the countdown. How fun is that? It's really
Speaker 1: fun random thing to be producing the Property But I
Speaker 1: am a random thing. They should give you a free house.
Speaker 1: I would like that they give me a free I
Speaker 1: would just like you to come and renovate the house
Speaker 1: I have. That would be That would be nice. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's in five years from now. I would like
Speaker 1: to be looking at Lacy winning another Grammy, going see
Speaker 1: you for Lacey to win like another Grammy, like like
Speaker 1: already you will already have one in five years. Yes,
Speaker 1: so she'll have Grammy. That's like a big She'll be
Speaker 1: We're winning another Grammy and she'll be really successful. And
Speaker 1: I'll be just going see, I know what I know,
Speaker 1: what I know what I know? And um uh, let's
Speaker 1: see what else. I would love one of the shows
Speaker 1: that I've been musicals I've been wading to be either
Speaker 1: in production or already out. How many musicals have you written? Uh?
Speaker 1: One children's musical that's completed and one, um adult one
Speaker 1: that's not quite completed yet. Wow? Yeah, so um so
Speaker 1: I'd like that and what else? Uh we're just talking professionally, right,
Speaker 1: so I just the whole game it. Oh. Um. I
Speaker 1: would like enough money to take me take her degrees
Speaker 1: traveling around the world and suck out some parts of
Speaker 1: my body. But yeah, I don't know, it's just happy.
Speaker 1: That's why i'd like to be in five years. I
Speaker 1: think that's where i'd like to be. I'd like to
Speaker 1: be happy. Okay, now could you happy and healthy? Could
Speaker 1: you introduce Lacy in your words and describe her before
Speaker 1: we get Lacy Cavalier section lazy Cavalier. Besides the fact
Speaker 1: that she's skinny popcorn, I'm not. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I'm just sling on my heart today. Lacey Cavalier to me,
Speaker 1: is the just the next big thing. She is. She
Speaker 1: has um incredible beauty inside and out. She is a
Speaker 1: really really talented songwriter, which you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: girls are great singers, which she is, but really talented
Speaker 1: songwriter with great, unique ideas. Knows her sound. I'll let
Speaker 1: her tell you she is. She is unique, stunning, hard working,
Speaker 1: hard on herself, too hard on herself sometimes, but I
Speaker 1: love that because you know she wants. She just wants.
Speaker 1: She's a perfectionist and um, I keep trying to teach
Speaker 1: her that sometimes the bumps in the road are the
Speaker 1: most beautiful. But I love it. Before you walked in,
Speaker 1: I was like, she's crying, like hey about something, but
Speaker 1: that's okay because she wants things so badly, So she's
Speaker 1: she is I haven't. Yeah, she's driven and she is
Speaker 1: a girl's girl, which a lot of times when you
Speaker 1: see beautiful women you think, oh god, you know they
Speaker 1: must be you know, stuck up or only like guys.
Speaker 1: She's a girl's girls. And after the show, I get
Speaker 1: so proud that the girls are the ones that line
Speaker 1: up because they really relate to the music. They like her,
Speaker 1: they like her vibe. She gives out the hey, let's
Speaker 1: go shopping by and let's go eat the food. Well
Speaker 1: I've seen her eat and it's not skinny popcorn. She
Speaker 1: can put it away. But yeah, she is the next
Speaker 1: big thing because she's because she's real and she's not
Speaker 1: a cookie cutter mode and she is there for um.
Speaker 1: Women are going to love her. And that's the difference,
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of guys sign girl women
Speaker 1: or female artists based on what they think. And you know,
Speaker 1: what guys think is not what girls think. And girls
Speaker 1: are the ones that buy the music. So guys will
Speaker 1: think they're hot, but they're not going to go and
Speaker 1: buy this. Girls have to connect and I haven't seen
Speaker 1: this kind of beauty and talent combined. Um since uh well,
Speaker 1: obviously Hillary had it, but she was in a group.
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen it as an individual since my
Speaker 1: old roommate, Faith Hill. Where you have beauty but accessibility
Speaker 1: and such down to earth realness. That's it's just an
Speaker 1: amazing combination. Thanks that note, Let's bring on laces help.
Speaker 1: So tell me about what your sound is. How would
Speaker 1: you describe yourself and you have a Louisiana flair? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, like, honestly, my whole thing has been
Speaker 1: if I write what genuinely like organically comes out of me,
Speaker 1: then it'll be it'll just create, you know, a sound
Speaker 1: that people won't be able to deny, they won't be
Speaker 1: able to like call out and be like and I
Speaker 1: don't really like it if it comes, you know, just
Speaker 1: completely from me and how I feel or whatever. And
Speaker 1: that for me is, you know, obviously country, but I
Speaker 1: really love soul like music and I love like a
Speaker 1: little Louisiana swampy vibe to it. So you know, all
Speaker 1: those three things can bind along with the fact that
Speaker 1: I listen to Drake and I'll listen to Justin Bieber
Speaker 1: and all those things, you know, just whatever I feel
Speaker 1: when I'm writing. It's just what I listen to this.
Speaker 1: Does this like make me feel good? Does this make
Speaker 1: me feel something? Because if it makes me feel something,
Speaker 1: then other people are going to connect to what I'm
Speaker 1: feeling and you know, enjoy it. So I love that,
Speaker 1: you know, people from Louisiana. I love Louisiana too. Don't
Speaker 1: think it's so proudful. Tell you why people love Louisiana
Speaker 1: so much. I just okay, wait, can we eat in this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I'm done and I'll eat it, but I
Speaker 1: would never pick it. Yeah. See, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of it is the people.
Speaker 1: Everyone's just so chill and nice and like when I
Speaker 1: go home, literally there's probably more people that aren't a
Speaker 1: part of my family at my house than my family.
Speaker 1: Like I love that. Yeah, I go home and my dad,
Speaker 1: Like my dad's friends will just drive over and sit
Speaker 1: on the back porch or go fishing, or my mom's
Speaker 1: in the kitchen having one with her friends. And then
Speaker 1: all my friends are there. When I'm here in Nashville,
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're hanging out with my sister and my
Speaker 1: family and having like board game night, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Your family is just super fine. It was always the
Speaker 1: house where everyone like kind of you know, met up
Speaker 1: and you know, hung out and whatnot. And I'm a
Speaker 1: huge board game fanatic. What's your favorite? Oh well, I
Speaker 1: have like every version of Monopoly possible. Why yeah, fashion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I even have the credit card version. That's I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm ridiculous, but I will like relationships will end like
Speaker 1: depending on Monopoly, like like a long game. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is long. It is long, but it's worth it, y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like seven years old, I was slipping Monopoly boards and
Speaker 1: you're mad, Oh, I'm so competitive. Yeah, so Monopoly that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, you're still competitive, and you're the
Speaker 1: most competitive with yourself intense the thing. Yeah, A big
Speaker 1: sports player when I grew up, played softball and that,
Speaker 1: you know, competitive cheerleading and stuff. So I was always
Speaker 1: you wanna win, Gotta win, gotta win. So you've had
Speaker 1: a couple of videos on CMT, which is awesome considering
Speaker 1: you haven't even signed a record deal yet, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you will soon. But to have two videos on
Speaker 1: CMT one so well, they put it, they like featured
Speaker 1: it on my artist page on the artist. We have
Speaker 1: an artist page on to you like type in cft
Speaker 1: slash like skevily and you get me. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Did you freak? I did? I would free. I was like,
Speaker 1: get using any excuse to be like, yeah, go check
Speaker 1: out my artist. Artists there so weak and bio bio
Speaker 1: is great. I found out that you were on Barney. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: how in the world did you get on Barney? And
Speaker 1: who was under that costume? Oh? Well, you know looking
Speaker 1: in jail now? Yeah, he was actually so nice. You
Speaker 1: have two seasons of Barney. Yeah, So basically I guess
Speaker 1: I was like eight. I went to my parents and
Speaker 1: I was I was watching Nickelodeon and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to get slammed, and they're like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like I need to be on TV?
Speaker 1: Like I need to That's what I need to do
Speaker 1: that And so almost like great, like couldn't you just
Speaker 1: say you want to be on swim team or something?
Speaker 1: And so it's actually more difficult. Exactly, we actually knew
Speaker 1: somebody that did acting camps and stuff in Dallas. So
Speaker 1: I begged and begged and I was like, please, can
Speaker 1: we just go with them? One weekend and go. So
Speaker 1: we go, and I got a few like agent offers,
Speaker 1: and so I took it, like I signed with an
Speaker 1: agency and booked Barney and started doing that and I
Speaker 1: what is that? Like what do you do? It was
Speaker 1: like it was it was funny because my mom was like,
Speaker 1: this is so weird. I'm dropping my eight year old
Speaker 1: off at work at seven in the morning and picking
Speaker 1: her up at So yeah, the dollars I mean, like
Speaker 1: dollars that went into a college fund to the college
Speaker 1: doesn't go to That's great. Your mom could drop you off.
Speaker 1: Didn't they have to be have a garden. A garden?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we had like Barney's. We had school there
Speaker 1: at school there I did you love your cast mate?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they're my best friend. Barney's Like okay,
Speaker 1: so you know, piece out to mom and so cool.
Speaker 1: I was so cool. I'd be like highlighting my lines
Speaker 1: and in the car and be like, all right, I
Speaker 1: gotta go jewels, slap my book. Yeah it's up, go inside,
Speaker 1: and um. We'd have catering like brightfast all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Then we would switch with whoever needed to be on
Speaker 1: set or whatever within school because we had to be
Speaker 1: in school a certain amount of hours each day, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, we had like a teacher in the room
Speaker 1: and we got to bring all the props that after
Speaker 1: an episode was zone, We've got to bring like a
Speaker 1: TP or a rocketship or whatever and put in our
Speaker 1: classroom and like you are working there. And there was
Speaker 1: only four or five of us at a time, like
Speaker 1: kids on each episode. So they're like our best friends.
Speaker 1: And it was so much fun. Basically a big playground
Speaker 1: and yeah with anybody, yeah, like friends with them all
Speaker 1: on Facebook, and it's so fun to see him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're grown. Now, we're all grown. That's so we're still
Speaker 1: doing music and stuff from and acting and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I need to have a Barney right. Damilvada
Speaker 1: was a Barney kid, and so was Selena. So you're
Speaker 1: like the new Mickey Mouse Club. I mean, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be, you know because like Jat and Christina Brittany
Speaker 1: and Vickey Mouse. Now Barney generation, which is not I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm bostling, you know. He was part of that too,
Speaker 1: of the Vickey Mouse Stop. Okay, now that's really gonna
Speaker 1: be a thing. Yeah, Okay, it's Barney Generation. Next. This
Speaker 1: is Lacey's Millennials. They have each section, so you'll be
Speaker 1: the Barney's Yeah, just the Barney's Barney. Maybe that's your
Speaker 1: spirit animal. Maybe Barney. Actually I was on the first
Speaker 1: season that they ever had the dinosaur riff, so he
Speaker 1: was the brand new dinosaur and I got to be
Speaker 1: So what he is under that costume? Just a guy?
Speaker 1: Is he cool? Yeah? Like that? Yeah, he was cool.
Speaker 1: And the ones in the smaller suits are actually actually
Speaker 1: actually little people. Are they speaking like that? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: that they really are acting? Oh no, no, no. There's
Speaker 1: like a sound booth over the studio and so there's
Speaker 1: the voices up top that would watch us while we film,
Speaker 1: and they're talking and that like Barney has a rod
Speaker 1: in his mouth and you bite out on and moves
Speaker 1: his chin and like, wow, gosh, see the backside of
Speaker 1: his fans inside so hot, so hot. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the one that caught on fire? It was in that studio,
Speaker 1: just white before my um wow. Okay, so you said
Speaker 1: I'm done with Barney two seasons, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: Nashville and parents. I was retiring. But you know, like
Speaker 1: Victoria's right, you have to have that start us if
Speaker 1: you did like a couple acting because in Dallas and
Speaker 1: right off the bat you get put on the biggest
Speaker 1: TV show for children. That's a big deal. Lacy. I
Speaker 1: told my parents I was a star. You are like,
Speaker 1: there's literally a home video of me at five and
Speaker 1: a half, And they're like, how would be Like I'm
Speaker 1: five and a half and I can sing that good
Speaker 1: and they're like, great, this is great. Here we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I literally went to my parents after Barney
Speaker 1: and told him I was retiring and that I wanted
Speaker 1: to do music, and they're like, this is awesome, Like
Speaker 1: what the hell do we do with her? So your
Speaker 1: mom and she moved up to Nashville with you. She did, um,
Speaker 1: like twelve I started, I cut my first like demo record,
Speaker 1: did all that stuff, and then like thirteen fourteen, just
Speaker 1: really played around and Louisiana and did that stuff. And
Speaker 1: then um, yeah, my mom moved up here with me
Speaker 1: when I was fifteen and lived in me until seventeen
Speaker 1: and then went home. And now now you're nineteen nineteen
Speaker 1: and you've had you got How did you get your
Speaker 1: video on CMT with no record deal or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Being vic just you know, making thanks happened. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: We're just basically saying like knocking on every door saying, look,
Speaker 1: I promise you'll like it, just you know, connections, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and also good stuff video because I was going to
Speaker 1: give you a favor if the goods aren't there, right.
Speaker 1: So basically I just for about six months, I said,
Speaker 1: I started writing constantly because I finally figured out what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, which I feel like, what do
Speaker 1: you want to say? Well, it was in a relationship,
Speaker 1: and that gives you things to say. Talk about when
Speaker 1: you're going and this is when you were how old?
Speaker 1: When you were seventeen? Yeah? Is this what your new
Speaker 1: EPs about? Yeah? Continuation, Yeah, continuation. It's called what is
Speaker 1: it called? It's saving pennies, pay and due? And then
Speaker 1: your single is called a waitress. So talk about this
Speaker 1: EP so the past fault or this last ball. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was trying to prove to my parents like that
Speaker 1: that I could do more than like be on a
Speaker 1: TV show or sing or write a song. And so
Speaker 1: it's like I can do a regular job, like hands
Speaker 1: on back hurt and knees shaking, like hard working job.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, le so I go out and
Speaker 1: I got this job. I was so proud of myself.
Speaker 1: And after like the first day, I was sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking what the heck did I do? I was I
Speaker 1: was a wait too, sat double dogs down here on one.
Speaker 1: It's a sports bar. We got. All the guys were
Speaker 1: hitting on you all the time, you would think, until
Speaker 1: I mess up their order and then they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this girl. And it was all college students, so it's
Speaker 1: not like they're gonna drop a big, you know, tip
Speaker 1: on me. They just want to like mess with you.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of hard work. But I
Speaker 1: wrote a song about it after working there for about
Speaker 1: a month, and it's just about the whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: about like basically everybody I know in Nashville has had
Speaker 1: at some point or still does that kind of job
Speaker 1: where you're just waiting tables or you're you know, parking
Speaker 1: cars or whatever, just to make it ready, yeah, so
Speaker 1: that you can do what you want to do. And
Speaker 1: so it's kind of about that, just you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like in my heart, I'm the start, I'm just this
Speaker 1: and that. But like right this second, I have a
Speaker 1: catchup staying on my shirt. I'm running you know food,
Speaker 1: but I'll get there, like I'll get there, and I
Speaker 1: love it. And the title of the EP actually is
Speaker 1: a lie in that song, and I just loved it.
Speaker 1: Was It's exactly how I feel in life right now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like pinching pennies, but like doing what
Speaker 1: I need to do to get where I'm going, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and showing that I'm dedicated and
Speaker 1: working hard and well. Vick used to always tell me,
Speaker 1: You're just not quite ready. You're just not ready now.
Speaker 1: Used always be like, what are you talking about? I'm ready,
Speaker 1: Like I'm ready right now. We have a couple of
Speaker 1: you don't see that. I'm ready now. Like in retrospect,
Speaker 1: timing truly is everything, and it is so important to
Speaker 1: go through these experiences and pay for pennies and pay
Speaker 1: your dues and get from them and go on make
Speaker 1: these mistakes and learn the stuff before you are in
Speaker 1: the huge spotlight sent just building building character and that
Speaker 1: whole thing. Like I don't know, just my respect for
Speaker 1: people that work day in and day out to support
Speaker 1: themselves in their families and stuff like that. It just
Speaker 1: all of a sudden dawned on me, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like oh wow, like thanks dad, you know, and things
Speaker 1: like that. It helped. Okay, So then you get picked
Speaker 1: up to open for Chase Rice. Yes, once again, you're
Speaker 1: not signed and you're on a big tour opening. How
Speaker 1: did that happen? How did it make you feel? And what? Um?
Speaker 1: I freaked out? But did you even get linked up?
Speaker 1: Like he randomly? I guess he saw my video for
Speaker 1: put You Down on cnet or something. He heard it
Speaker 1: somehow and he came to you. He tweeted me, he
Speaker 1: like tweeted my song and he was like badass song,
Speaker 1: powerful voice. Not that I've memorized it, but and like
Speaker 1: and like put the link to my song and everything
Speaker 1: and like tagged me, and I think I went myself.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was like no, no, no, because
Speaker 1: I was like waking up and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a joke. This is like a fan account, this
Speaker 1: isn't And so I go to and I'm like it's verified,
Speaker 1: it's and I'm like screens, it's real. And so I
Speaker 1: was freaking out. But then it was like three or
Speaker 1: four months later that I ran. I got a six
Speaker 1: from five numbers call my phone and I never answered
Speaker 1: random numbers. I'm like it's going to be something, you know, silly,
Speaker 1: I answered, and he was like, hey, this just Chase.
Speaker 1: I said what. I was like, who chastes who? And
Speaker 1: he's like right, and I said okay, like right, okay,
Speaker 1: and he's like no, really, this is y right. And
Speaker 1: I was like is this really huge? Yes? And he
Speaker 1: and he just went into like how you listen to
Speaker 1: my music and how he wanted to hear put you
Speaker 1: down every night and asked me if I would come
Speaker 1: on tour and in the spring. Okay, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: I called my mom and I was like, Mom, like
Speaker 1: a movie. Thing just happened like a movie. That's like
Speaker 1: one of those moments that like everyone dreams to. Everything
Speaker 1: she's doing is right. And to this day, I'm like
Speaker 1: thank him. I'm like, now you've given me a story
Speaker 1: that I can tell for the restaurant that you know Chase.
Speaker 1: Rice just called me on the phone that's I would
Speaker 1: have to see her with her opening night in Cookville
Speaker 1: at the University there and it was amazing. It was
Speaker 1: just amazing. Were you nervous because those are probably in
Speaker 1: the biggest crowds you've played for, the biggest I thought,
Speaker 1: when did they I mean, they loved her. But I
Speaker 1: was so nervous because when we when he said college
Speaker 1: tore I was thinking, oh, bars or clubs in the
Speaker 1: college town we pulled up in and see arenas or
Speaker 1: like the basketball stadiums or whatever, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them were like the city's arenas, and my heart just dropped.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no. I didn't like
Speaker 1: mentally prepare for this. So so the first night I
Speaker 1: was super nervous. I was just pacing. But the minute
Speaker 1: I got up there, I was like I got this,
Speaker 1: Like what do you you know? What are you kidd
Speaker 1: And I got this? So then it was just fun.
Speaker 1: And then after that first night, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just ready to get back to Caroline. What Chase gave
Speaker 1: you for the last goodbye tour? For he gave me
Speaker 1: a pair of lubatons? He knows what's up? Can you
Speaker 1: believe that? Okay? So I had friends come to a
Speaker 1: show like halfway through the tour and he was talking
Speaker 1: about what Kenny Chesney had gotten him for an into
Speaker 1: tour gift. And I was like, let's talking about in
Speaker 1: the tour gifts, like joking with them, and they were
Speaker 1: all like, you gotta get her lou Batons like joking,
Speaker 1: and we're all messing around, and like three weeks later
Speaker 1: he got me and he like he remembered he took
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and like they went and picked him out.
Speaker 1: And so is he cool? Have you become? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: he's like one of my best friends. I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: him and he's so down to earth and just like
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like him just picking up his cell
Speaker 1: phone and call me. Wasn't through agents, it wasn't through managers,
Speaker 1: wasn't this whole thing. It was like, we're too human beings.
Speaker 1: I like your music, come play with me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Just and I appreciate that so much
Speaker 1: about him, And I mean we hung out every day,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was so fun, playing basketball or
Speaker 1: just you know, watching TV or whatever. It was just
Speaker 1: hanging out. So it was no romantic dating ever. No,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think her boyfriend would have like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it was your boyfriend jealous that you're on tour
Speaker 1: chase right, Well, No, it was actually funny. I sang
Speaker 1: rod with him every night at the shows, and one
Speaker 1: night I got off stage and my band my boyfriend
Speaker 1: was like I didn't believe it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He was like, you should
Speaker 1: have played it up more, like I didn't believe that
Speaker 1: you alrea together, and so I didn't believe that you
Speaker 1: are because like during the song, because it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a sexy song, and Chase says this little
Speaker 1: speech about like kind of like before he serenades me,
Speaker 1: serenades me, and Van was like, yeah, I didn't like
Speaker 1: you didn't play it up. And I was like, and
Speaker 1: so Van and in Chase's girlfriend, like while we're saying that,
Speaker 1: we stand on the side of stage like holding each other,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, get over of each other, Like you
Speaker 1: can't do that. That's funny. You know. Years ago I
Speaker 1: went to see my h I don't think we're married yet,
Speaker 1: but my fiance or whatever in a in a play
Speaker 1: and I remember saying to him, you need to kiss
Speaker 1: her more because I was trying to chill you the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and your boyfriend manages Sam Hunt right well, he just
Speaker 1: he's with Sam right now. He helps more with his
Speaker 1: brother too. Though. Yeah, okay, I mean like you're in
Speaker 1: with like the cool new rat Pack. They're fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of fun. Uh, they're just crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what kind of trouble are you'll get into? Oh? You know,
Speaker 1: just we we love a good beat. Yeah, we love
Speaker 1: a good pool, hang a good beating, just like cooking
Speaker 1: out barbecue in love that, but playing basketball, just anything. Okay,
Speaker 1: Yeah I love this. So do you have the total
Speaker 1: bug to stay on tour? Yes, I don't stop. I'm
Speaker 1: like I got the bug. You know, anybody that's in
Speaker 1: this industry is a show off. That's what we are.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. We want to be up there
Speaker 1: like shaking our tail feather and singing. That's what we do.
Speaker 1: So now I'm just, yeah, trying to get any opportunity
Speaker 1: to jump back up there and bast place my fest.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited. She's going to play a Radio
Speaker 1: Disney stage. What is the Radio Disney So this is
Speaker 1: the first time that Radio Disney Country since they just
Speaker 1: launched Radio Disney Country last year. This is the first
Speaker 1: time they're having a stage for seeing my first and
Speaker 1: they asked me to play. And today I heard my
Speaker 1: song on their radio for the first time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was freaking the play a song that lay recorded, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that you wrote playing radio. Disney Radio du has been
Speaker 1: playing do you believe that that that song? Like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, do you? Oh my gosh. So, by the way,
Speaker 1: the song is called arms length the way arms length
Speaker 1: MS Okay, I cent you wrote it? Come on, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Well maybe we hey, you know whatever. Disney played it
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, ok, yeah. So one of Caroline's song
Speaker 1: that she wrote I'm like completely obsessed with and yeah
Speaker 1: saying it for like what three years now, and I
Speaker 1: hate that that song will just kick but one day,
Speaker 1: girl just take that thing and it just takes the top.
Speaker 1: And that's actually the only outside long that I sing
Speaker 1: like that I didn't write. So yeah, this is one
Speaker 1: of those that you like here and immediately special. It's
Speaker 1: so special. It really everybody that hears it's like in
Speaker 1: tears and like, oh my god, that's me, that's me,
Speaker 1: that's me. I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's about like an
Speaker 1: ex love and like your heartbreaking heads. If everyone to
Speaker 1: check it out, it's very vulnerable and honest. So like,
Speaker 1: so tell me where you see yourself in the next
Speaker 1: five years, Oh, you know, on a street corner somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm just um no, I don't know. I mean you
Speaker 1: have these goals in these dreams, but I'm so big
Speaker 1: on just like God's playing. I do, I do. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that keeps me saying, because you start
Speaker 1: giving yourself timelines, and you start, you know, overthinking things
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then you look up and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'm not where I expected to be,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you feel like you
Speaker 1: haven't accomplished things. And so I'm trying to enjoy you
Speaker 1: to accomplishment as a comet. But you've already accomplished so much.
Speaker 1: She's only looking for a few weeks. Oh, you're really
Speaker 1: nice to me, you know, but hopefully I'll have at
Speaker 1: least one number one, if not a few, and say that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Victoria has bigger goals for you. She's talking about double
Speaker 1: I know. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm pressure.
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? Maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just super married, no five years Okay, so maybe
Speaker 1: i'd be engaged, Okay, engaged with number one. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: give you that. You can be engaged with at least
Speaker 1: one Grammy and a number. Maybe I'll be royal and queen.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be a queen. Maybe do you think they're
Speaker 1: like country? Oh? Maybe I'll have sang Victoria's Secret Fashion show.
Speaker 1: I think that that's what I'm wear the laundry because
Speaker 1: like a model and then start becoming a Victoria's model.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: like country music first and you know vas angel, But
Speaker 1: like that would come the fact that you would have
Speaker 1: the option to be a Victoria's Secret model. I'd have
Speaker 1: to go with you to Berry's. You got the body? No,
Speaker 1: you're like, how are you five? Eight? I mean rock
Speaker 1: and body? It's it's stupid. Yeah. When you'll look at
Speaker 1: lazy Cavalier, y'all be like, is she real? Touching right now?
Speaker 1: And it's real? It's real. Okay, So I'm gonna wrap up.
Speaker 1: I like to wrap up, but you have me to say, Victoria, No,
Speaker 1: this has been lovely. Did they? Can we tell the
Speaker 1: people that you used to be my intern? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: and that you're still in my role in my address
Speaker 1: book is intern. I can't it's too sentimental. I can't
Speaker 1: change it. I know. That's how I got started. I
Speaker 1: was going to school at Belmont and I was interning
Speaker 1: I wanted to intern, and I started interning for Victoria.
Speaker 1: You know my cousin. I went to Spain with your cousin,
Speaker 1: Abbie Darby. That's so weird. When she we were sitting
Speaker 1: at Christmas dinner and she's like, you know, Caroline, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, Carolin, the world is tiny.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows Caroline. Yeah. I love the podcast. Memorized the
Speaker 1: intro saying, Caroline, she's the queen. What is it you?
Speaker 1: She's got is sad, She's got the scoop, but no
Speaker 1: one can do be quiet. Like, but I appreciate you
Speaker 1: know the song, love it? Okay, So I like to
Speaker 1: end with leave your Light. Okay, So Victoria, you go first,
Speaker 1: leave your light, like, leave some inspiration. How have you
Speaker 1: been inspired or how would you like to inspire others
Speaker 1: with what you've done or seen or experience in your life.
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with let's see inspiration, inspiration. Do you
Speaker 1: have to go first? Yeah? Well, I mean I'll just
Speaker 1: say what my dear friend Leslie the Pure says, if
Speaker 1: money can fix the problem, it's not a real problem.
Speaker 1: I love that. I meaning, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We get crazy about stuff, but we have to remember therapy.
Speaker 1: Money can fix problems with therapy. You know what, You're right, Okay,
Speaker 1: just don't double dimp no no, no, go a nice,
Speaker 1: be kind. I don't know, just be brave and take chances,
Speaker 1: because um, I think the the the only time you
Speaker 1: lose is when you don't do anything. You absolutely cannot
Speaker 1: lose by having an experience, but you can totally lose
Speaker 1: by freezing yourself up. I like that, it's true and
Speaker 1: walks forward towards your dream and it may not hit
Speaker 1: that dream, but another door is supposed to open, but
Speaker 1: you can't even hit that door if you don't walk
Speaker 1: towards it. So don't freeze. That's that's the only time
Speaker 1: you lose. I love that. Okay, great. What I'd say,
Speaker 1: which I try to practice this like on the daily
Speaker 1: when I'm like, you know, have an emotional roller coaster
Speaker 1: that I live. But um, I would just say, be
Speaker 1: complete yourself, completely yourself and be as transparent as possible.
Speaker 1: And also like for me that what keeps me doing
Speaker 1: that is my family and things like that, and just
Speaker 1: know that like not to get all super god God everybody,
Speaker 1: but like you know, on my thing is audience of
Speaker 1: one like you have known to impress but him. And
Speaker 1: that's always kind of like, if I'm doing what I
Speaker 1: feel is true to myself and true to my goal
Speaker 1: eventually or whatever, and making sure that everybody that truly
Speaker 1: knows me and whatever still sees that in me, then
Speaker 1: I'm doing good no matter what happened that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And just you know, how about you, Caroline're gonna shot
Speaker 1: a little light for us today. This is about you, guy,
Speaker 1: I know, but I love those things you post on
Speaker 1: Instagram of inspirational stuff. I like it a lot of
Speaker 1: Dolly Lama stuff, Little Dolly Parton. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I started this podcast because the same thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people are really afraid to
Speaker 1: go after they're calling on their heart and kind of
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, Victoria, I started off pursuing music,
Speaker 1: but I have now realized through that how much I
Speaker 1: love interviewing and hosting. But I would have never figured
Speaker 1: that out if I hadn't started walking through the doors.
Speaker 1: And I just feel the same way, like I think
Speaker 1: this life is so short, and if you don't live
Speaker 1: it doing what it's on your heart and like answering
Speaker 1: that call, then why are we here? Right exactly. So
Speaker 1: like that's why I love interviewing inspired people, because I
Speaker 1: think everyone needs to hear these stories and then go
Speaker 1: out in their own life and be inspired, because that's
Speaker 1: how you're connected to the bigger source, and that's how
Speaker 1: you change the world, make a better place. And if
Speaker 1: everyone listened to the calling on their heart, I feel
Speaker 1: like there would be a lot happier place that they
Speaker 1: lived in Chocolate, my mother always says, and they'd be
Speaker 1: less worse because you can't be angry and eat chocolate,
Speaker 1: and people wouldn't be so angry. That is true. So
Speaker 1: any more chocolate and more love, I can do that.
Speaker 1: I can do that, Okay, And here's what the song
Speaker 1: comes in. Lacey's to start saying, Caroline, she's a queen
Speaker 1: of talking. He was, She's on the inside. She got
Speaker 1: the scoop on the side. No one can do with
Speaker 1: Caral Caroline. I hope that you loved hearing from Victoria
Speaker 1: Shaw and Lacey Cavalier. They are amazing people. Y'all be
Speaker 1: on the lookout for Lacey's new music. She's awesome. She
Speaker 1: has some music videos on CMT also, and she's releasing
Speaker 1: a new single Student, So y'all get excited, and I
Speaker 1: just love the Victoria got to share and talked about
Speaker 1: all her wisdom with you guys, which she's been sharing
Speaker 1: with me my whole life. She's such an important person
Speaker 1: to me. Next week is awesome because I have literally
Speaker 1: the sweetest person on my show, and I mean it,
Speaker 1: it's literal. Her name is Rebecca Sweet and if you
Speaker 1: don't know of her, you will, and you should. She
Speaker 1: is a blogger. She has an incredible blog out there
Speaker 1: called sweet Lady Jane with an Ie, Lady with an Eye,
Speaker 1: and she's just a gym of a human being. Her
Speaker 1: blog talks all about food. She loves to do farm
Speaker 1: to table. She talks about gift ideas. She also talks
Speaker 1: about overcoming her greatest obstacle, which was dyslexia, and that
Speaker 1: is why she started the blog and this has been
Speaker 1: a huge, inspy carrying thing for her to overcome this
Speaker 1: and to share her writing with the world because writing
Speaker 1: has been one of the biggest struggles in her life.
Speaker 1: She is also married to Philip Sweet, who is one
Speaker 1: of the four members of a Little Big Town and
Speaker 1: she has a beautiful life on the road with him
Speaker 1: with a Little Big Town She talks all about what
Speaker 1: that life is like, how her love story unfolded with Philip,
Speaker 1: and what happened when Girl Crushed took the world by storm.
Speaker 1: So you guys are not going to want to miss
Speaker 1: next week with Rebecca Sweet. I love, love, love this
Speaker 1: angel and she's amazing, So tune in and subscribe on iTunes.