1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Hey, 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: welcome into another installment of Inside the Draft, our weekly 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: look at the upcoming NFL Draft. I'm Matt Taylor and 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: the calendar has officially turned to March, which means we 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: are less than two months away from the two and 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: twenty two NFL Draft at the end of April. And 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: it's an important draft. They're all important drafts with the 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Cults are looking to rebound from a nine and eight 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: season and they are looking to continue to infuse the 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: roster with young and impactful talent. Big part of the 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: draft process, as we all know, is the NFL Scouting 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: Combine and that's where Casey Valier and I chatted up 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: with NFL Draft insider Ryan Wilson from CBS and CBS 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Sports HQ, and Ryan was nice enough to give us 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: plenty of his time to talk about the Colts, how 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: the draft lines up for their needs, and the Colts 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: quarterback situation this offseason as well. So, without further ado, 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: myself Casey Valie with Ryan Wilson from earlier this week 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: at the NFL Scouting Combine in Downtown Indie NFL Scouting 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: Combine twenty twenty two, joined now by Ryan Wilson, NFL 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: an NFL Draft insider for CBS CBS Sports HQ, and 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: you also hear them all the time on the Pick 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: six podcast. You're busy man, sir, Welcome back to Indianapolis. 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: How are you, Matt? It is good to see you, 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I think. Is this our first face to face I 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. Usually we talk over the phone. We 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: do it on the phone. Yeah, So this is great 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: because you're scared of me. Well you're you're much taller 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: than that. There's there's a reason for that. No, it's 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: good to see you. It's good to be here. I'm glad. 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I think they're starting to feel sort of normal, both 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: in the real world and and NFL wise. Absolutely. So 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: what was it like? I mean, you're back in Indianapolis 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: for the combine. How refreshing is this to get back 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: to normalcy, so to speak, to do your job and 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: cover the event leading into the draft, which you do 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: twenty four seven. Yeah, First of all, I love Indianapolis. 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: So it's it's sometimes you arrive at a city and 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: you can sort of your danks, id as you're driving 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: from the airport and sort of hit you now with 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: like India's It's like so easy to get around downtown. 43 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Everyone so incredibly nice. Everything's so well laid out. And 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: the weather this week is going to be great, which 45 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: is nice as well. So I'm happy to be back 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: for that. I'm happy to see these players come through 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: because two years ago, the last time we were here 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: with CBS, we got a chance to interview probably fifty 49 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: or sixty guys, and that's invaluable for me just in 50 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: terms of getting an idea what these guys are like 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: in person, how they answer certain questions. I mean, we're 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: not trying to surprise anyone. Actually, two years ago that 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: was when there was some conversation whether Joe Burrow would 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: play for the Bengals, and we had Justin Herbert on set. 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: He was that feels like four years ago. So he 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: is such a nice guy. And I actually said to him, 57 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: I suggested, are you willing just stay right here right now? 58 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: You will play for the Bengals? And I was joking 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: and he looked like, you know, I just pulled out 60 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: a naked picture of him. I was going to post 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter or something, but no, it is, it's invaluable 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: for me, and it's it's almost it feels like a 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: last chance to see these guys before they've become big 64 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: time because as you get through the process, the pro 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: days are usually you know, they're not very much media there, 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: but when they get to the draft night and then 67 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: they're in the NFL, their lives are going to change. 68 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: So it's like a last run it normal human beings 69 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: in a sort of innocence before these guys really blow up. Well, 70 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: one of the things I want to dive into you mentioned, 71 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, if you go back, i'd probably say over 72 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: the last five years, it's been quarterback heavy at the top. 73 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: This year seems to be a little different. So, you know, 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: just kind of from an outsider's perspective, who are those 75 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: groups here looking at as those top tier you know, 76 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: when you're looking at the top, you know, couple picks. Well, 77 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: the good news is those teams at the top of 78 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: the draft are typically up there because either they don't 79 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: have a franchise quarterback or they do and they need 80 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: offensive line helper. So offensive line is incredibly deep, and 81 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: there'll be some discussion about who goes first among the 82 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: offensive lineman who goes first overall, it won't be a quarterback. 83 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: Edge rush class is deep, wide receiver class is deep. 84 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: The tight end class is deep, but it probably starts 85 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: in round two, maybe the middle of round two. There. 86 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Cornerback class is deep. So there are a lot of 87 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: positions that maybe aren't necessarily sexy offensive line, for example, 88 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: but are incredibly important if you're the Jaguar number one, 89 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: for example. I mean, you could take an edge rusher 90 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: you've taken one and two of the last three drafts 91 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: with a first round pick, or you could try to 92 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: protect Trevor Lawrence. And maybe and it would be a 93 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: reach to take an offensive lineman first overall. But is 94 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: it a big reach? Is it one where you're gonna 95 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: feel bad about the decision to protect Trevor Lawrence? I 96 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: don't think so. So I think those are the things 97 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that the Jaguar is gonna have to sort out. I 98 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: was at the Senior Bowl talking to someone in that 99 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: organization and they were like, God, I hope these quarterbacks 100 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: lighted up this week because we want someone to trade 101 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: up so we can you know, we don't want to 102 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: be in this position back to back years in the 103 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: first round pick. So yeah, offensive line, edge rush, cornerback, 104 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Those are all guys that have a chance 105 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: to play right away and help these teams that need 106 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 1: those guys right away. That's Ryan Wilson, NFL an NFL 107 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: Draft insider for CBS and CBS Sports HQ. What is wrong? 108 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: I hate to use that phrase, but what's wrong with 109 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? Why is the crop of quarterbacks this year 110 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: not on par with what we've seen the last couple 111 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: of years. I just think it's one of those down years. 112 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing, and we get caught up 113 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: in this and I'm as guilty as anyone. If they're 114 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: not quote unquote first round pick, they are not good. 115 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was a third round pick. Obviously, Kirk Cousins 116 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: win the fourth round. Jimmy Garoppolo is a second round pick. 117 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: You can find guys there, but we want everyone to 118 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: be a first round pick. Part of the problem, it's 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: the media's fault. We do these mock drafts, and I've 120 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: been doing every week since September, which is, you know, 121 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: borderline insane. But that's what the bosses want and people 122 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: react to it. That's why I keep doing it. But 123 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: there's a need, right, So there's only thirty two picks, 124 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: and if you don't see a quarterback there, you're thinking, well, 125 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: this guy isn't good. And also when you come off 126 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: the stretch we've had in the last three or four years, well, 127 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks have been so good it's gets your attention. 128 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: So this class feels more like the twenty thirteen class. 129 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna better than that class where only EJ. 130 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Manuel Win. The first round of sixteen thirty nine was 131 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: Gino smith By like you know, Smith somehow still in 132 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the league. He's likely quarterback on that draft class, still 133 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: get it done. He started a few games last year. 134 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: And this group feels like, realistically, I have a first 135 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: round grade of Matt Carroll and that's it. The rest 136 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: of the guys are second round picks for various reasons. Again, 137 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: not the end of the world. Doesn't mean these guys 138 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: can't be good. But it's Joe Burrow. There's no Trevor Lawrences, No, 139 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: not even Kyler Murray. And that's just the reality of it. 140 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: So we'll see if and this is also gonna be 141 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the fun part. There may not be any Marquis Trevor 142 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: Lawrence type players at the quarterback position. But we'll see 143 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: if teams can talk themselves into taking one of these 144 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: guys as a top six pick where the Panthers pick, 145 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: a top nine pick where the Falcons pick, and what 146 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: happens from there, Because the other issue is you don't 147 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: want to miss on an opportunity to get a guy 148 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: who can be good later, and by that I mean 149 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Malik Willis. Like, if there's I've been saying, if there's 150 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: a twenty percent chance he's Josh Allen or even seventy 151 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: percent of Josh Allen, you have to take him in 152 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the first round, and you figure it out. But you 153 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: also want to be the Bears who passed on Mahomes 154 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: and Watson and take Trebisky at number two or number 155 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: three wherever they took him. So with that being said, 156 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: you do you envisioned seeing a lot more trading for 157 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: other positions because typically you're you're trading up for quarterbacks, 158 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: So sounds more like people are gonna be trading back. 159 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: So you think there's gonna be more trades early in 160 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: the draft this year. That's a great question casey because 161 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if there'll be any trades like early on 162 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: just because do people like you might want to trade up. 163 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: So the Buccaneers traded up for Tristan Warps a few 164 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: years go, trad a one spot and it was the 165 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: right decision. If Cavon Thibodeau falls, if he gets past 166 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: four or five, is there a team that might want 167 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to go get him? And now there there aren't off 168 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: field issues with Cayvon Thibodeau, but I've talked to teams 169 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: that have been like, well, we'll see, and we don't 170 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: know how he's gonna take hard coaching, and that's sort 171 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: of been the underlying talking point. He's a fantastic player. 172 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: And also I heard from from a team that said, 173 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: maybe we're overthinking this thing. He's really good. So with 174 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: someone traded for him, I don't know. If Adan Hutchinson 175 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: fell to four or five with someone trained for him, 176 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: maybe I think there's more like likely see Traips for 177 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: offensive tackles. If there's a run on the Kwanu and 178 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Neil the top four or five picks, does a team 179 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: want to go get to Charles Cross for example, or 180 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: maybe even close to the middle of first rounds. This 181 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: team will be Kenyon Green, who plays all four positions 182 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: at Texas A and M. Because you know, as we 183 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: keep discussing, if you don't have offensive line, it doesn't matter, right, 184 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Like Trevor Lawrence took a whooping last year, and he 185 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: was so good at college. And I don't know if 186 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is good or not, Like I have no idea. 187 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: He could be terrible. He could be a Hall of Famer, 188 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: but he spent so much time on his back and look, 189 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: the Jet tried to address the Evins whine Mcaybackton was 190 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: hurt a last Bert Tucker played pretty well when he's 191 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: on the field. So again it's not entirely the fat 192 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: the front office. It just didn't work out healthwise. But 193 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: I will be interested to see if someone trades up, 194 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: maybe someone that it would be fun to see someone 195 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: trades up one of these wide receivers because they're clumped 196 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: together so closely in terms of who's number one, number two, 197 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: number three, and maybe a team moves up in the 198 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: middle round one to grab one of those guys. As 199 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: you said, it's gonna be another really good deep draft 200 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: class at wide receiver. And it wasn't that long ago 201 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: that a lot of people said, hey, you don't need 202 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: elite play at wide receiver in order to make a 203 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: deep run, in order to win a Super Bowl. But 204 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: what we've seen the last couple of years, Kansas City, Cincinnati, 205 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: the Rams with Cooper Cups. Has that changed? Is that 206 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: no longer true? I think Jamar Chase has changed some 207 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: people's opinions. Yeah, because they remember a conversation year ago 208 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: was Okay, dude, the Bengals take Penas Seul or did 209 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: they take Jamar Chase? They took Jackson Carman around two 210 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: and that dominated for three months. Oh yeah, that conversation. 211 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: I thought they were They thought they were wrong. That's right, 212 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: they can Chase. I pretty sure. I'm on record saying 213 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: I think I would go to pena suel just because 214 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: the beating Joe Brow took. In retrospect, they made one 215 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent of the right decision. Now, Joe Burrow might 216 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: disagree in terms of how his body feels right now, 217 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: but they got to the Super Bowl in a large 218 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: part because Jamar Chase was uncoverable one on one and 219 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: oftentimes when he was double team and you have that 220 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: with Hee Higgins and Tyler Boyd and then you're cooking 221 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: with gas. So there's no Jamar Chase in this class. 222 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: But Garrett Wilson, he reminds me of Odell Beckham in 223 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: terms of his explosiveness. Drake London, I was talking to 224 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: a team that compared him to a bigger version of 225 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Devantae Adams. That sort of get your attention because Jantie 226 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: Adams is pretty good. Traylon Burkes is just scratching the 227 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: surface and how good he can be. He's is a taller, 228 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: thicker version of an kin bolding, but he's fast. He 229 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: can play in the slide, he can play outside, you 230 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: can give him to the football and in and rounds 231 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: h there's Chris Olive, Garrett Wills his teammate who might 232 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: even run fast than Garrett, and I like Garrett a 233 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: little better. Jameson Williams towards acl right, but I talked 234 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: to three teams and they said he's a first round pick, like, 235 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: don't overthink it. He'll be ready in October November, and 236 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: then you know what you're getting in him. So exactly, 237 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: I think now no one's gonna go as high as five. 238 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that that would be that would be 239 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: huge surprise, but I think certainly round ten, eleven and twelve, 240 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: these guys start going off the board. One of the 241 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: local flavor. You got David Bell. He had a credible 242 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: career at Purdue. I know he's you got the Unianapolis Ties. 243 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: What do you envisioned out of David Bell? He is 244 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: he a second third round guy? Or I think I 245 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: was a Day two guy right now? He's he's huge, 246 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: but he plays much faster because sometimes this guys get 247 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: big and they're sort of plotting. He is not that 248 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: at all. The hell has David Bell not a first 249 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: round I know? Right? I mean, yeah, hell he's a 250 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: first round pick? Is that gave me a two hundred plus? Think? Well, 251 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: multiple games against Indiana seemed. But that's the thing. These 252 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: receivers are so good and these offenses have evolved so 253 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: much in college. If you have guys like that, they 254 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: are huge playmakers. But again, Michael Pittman was a second 255 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: round pick. That's true. Michael been is pretty good. Yeah, 256 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: so you could have a conversation. And here's the other 257 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: thing that happens. And I talked myself out of te 258 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: Higgins as the first round pick at the time because 259 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: I go, oh, he doesn't create enough separation. And I 260 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: had a couple of Scotts, tell me this a senior Bowl. 261 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: If the if the draft for January fifteenth, we wouldn't 262 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: have time to overthink all this stuff. David Bell is 263 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: probably a first round pickI Higgs should have gone on 264 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the first round. Michael Pittman could have very easily first 265 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: round pick. But we're just finding reasons to have have 266 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: doubts about these kids who have proven time and time 267 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: again they're good football players. David Bill is a great 268 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: football player, but much in the same way that just 269 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: because the corred goes around two doesn't mean he's a 270 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: bad football player. You just run out of after thirty 271 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: two picks. Someone has to go around too. But that's 272 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: what the NFL wants us to do. They want us 273 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: to come to the combine and talk for fifteen minutes 274 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: about the draft and overanalyze things. I mean, do you 275 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: think the league would be in better shape if if 276 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: the draft was sooner in the off season. Well, it's funny. 277 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: The question last year was okay, since everything shut down, well, 278 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: it would be less overthinking things by these NFL teams. 279 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: He'll know, and right, you still right? You can do 280 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: it on zoom instead. Yeah, so that's a great question. 281 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: Would you make fewer mistakes? Maybe, Like, I don't know 282 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: what the math is on that, Uh, just say an Idoltally, 283 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: it feels like if you have less time to overanalyze something, 284 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: you might make better decisions because you have all the day. 285 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: That's sound like you're making a cut decision based on 286 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: just oh I saw this, So this is what I 287 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: think you. Yeah, the area scuts have done all the 288 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: work in the fall. You can do the medicals. If 289 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: you do the medicals in January or whatever after the 290 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: season ended, you will still have all that information. You 291 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: can meet with the players. You just don't have six 292 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: weeks to talk yourself into or out of a player. 293 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I would actually yeah, I mean I know that there 294 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: are some teams that had a fourth round grade on Trabiski. 295 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: Clearly Ryan Pace said, well, and I get it. You 296 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: have to sometimes overdraft these quarterbacks and hope it works out. 297 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: He didn't play a ton in North Carolina, and it was, 298 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, sort of the same with that Ryan Tannehill 299 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: didn't pay it. He was a wide receiver Texas and 300 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: you're throwing the you're rolling the dice. And that was 301 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: the luck draft class. That was a RGP draft class. 302 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannhill still here, so you just never know what 303 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna get, no doubt about that. That's Ryan Wilson, 304 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: NFL and NFL Draft Insider. You see them all the 305 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: time on CBS Sports HQ. You rita stuff on CBS 306 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: sports dot Com. All right, let's tie in the draft 307 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: and the league. Let's tie in the Colts. What do 308 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: you make of their situation here with Carson Wentz? How 309 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: surprised are you that we're sitting here at the combine, 310 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, two months after the season talking about the 311 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: possibility of him not returning to Indianapolis after one year, 312 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: when they last offseason traded a first round pick to 313 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: get him in here. Yeah, I understand why you make 314 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: that trade. And again you're banking, you're betting on the quarterback, 315 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: and that's sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. And 316 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: I mean at points from the season you saw glimpses 317 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: of Carson Wentz Philadelphia good version, and then another time 318 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, what's going on here? And a lot 319 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: of times when these guys aren't playing up to the okayabilities, 320 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: I wonder through some injuries that we don't know about 321 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: or something else is going on, and it just it 322 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: just didn't work. Now, I don't know. I don't think 323 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: the cults have said anything. It's only been reports about 324 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's future. So we'll see. But either way, the 325 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: first round pick ain't coming back. So either it ain't 326 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: coming back with or without Carson Winston. Do you have 327 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: to do that math and figure out are there better 328 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: options out there? Is Jimmy Garoppolo an upgrade over Carson Wentz, Yeah, 329 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean, does he excite anyone other 330 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: than the fact that he's extremely handsome. I don't know. 331 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm as a Steelers guy, I don't want Jimmy Garoppolo, 332 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: and that's just I don't think he helps my team 333 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: enough to to be better than what they need to 334 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: be to compete. So I mean, there's a Jamis Winston 335 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: out there. We'll see what he does. And there's also 336 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: all the guys who free agency excuse me, like Aaron Rodgers, 337 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: Rust Wilson, those guys, and that's going to cost you 338 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot. So I'll be interested to see how this 339 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: unfolds in terms of what Chris Ballad and the Colts 340 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: decide to do. The division's not great. I mean, if 341 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: you can get Carson to do what you want to 342 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: want him to do, then absolutely, I think you can 343 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: roll with them. But you have to wonder. The whole 344 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: point was Frank Wright got so much out of Carson 345 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: and their time together in Philadelphia, and you didn't see 346 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: that last season enough to perhaps feel good about it. 347 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I want to give Carson 348 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt, but there were moments where 349 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: you were wondering, Okay, what's going on. One of the 350 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: areas that I know a lot of people around here 351 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis have talked about, is you know, just giving 352 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: him more weapons. And you mentioned one of the one 353 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: of the positions of need that they've they've talked about 354 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: after the season was tight end, and I know you 355 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: mentioned it's a deep tight end class. So tying it 356 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: into the draft, we've got there's questions about whether Jack 357 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Doyle is going to retire Moiley, Cox's impending free agent, 358 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: so at least kyl and Granson who had just ten 359 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: catches as his rookie in twenty twenty one. So when 360 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: you look at this draft class, let's say the Colts 361 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: there at round two, is there a round two. Explosive player. 362 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I can give you that additional weapon to put Carson Wins' 363 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: arsenal for sure. Greg Dulsach out of UCLA is a 364 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: guy who had a really good Senior Bowl and he's 365 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: a playmaker in terms of being an option in the 366 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: past game. He needs to get better as a block 367 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: over a lot of times, these tight ends need to 368 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: get better as blockers. Trey McBride at a Colorado's State 369 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: is he's my my wide receiver tight end one. I 370 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of draft analysts like Dulsa is a 371 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: little better, and that's fine. It's okay to have different opinions. 372 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: But he will block you through the backdoor of the 373 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: stadium and he is a playmaker offensively. He may not 374 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: run fast this week, but I think that Hockinson ran 375 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: the fourth sevenths like okay, at the end of the day, 376 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: who cares like Noah Fan ran four to five or something. 377 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that Hockinson's a worst player than Fan. 378 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: They're different types of players, so they're they're Isaiah Likely 379 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: out of Coastal Carolina is a little smaller at two forty. Again, 380 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: he can make some place for me in the middle. 381 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Of the field, but he will also block his behind off, 382 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and that's part of what you need to get on 383 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the field early. Is a tight end if you're playing 384 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: in the in line position, if you're playing in the 385 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: slot or or something more feel oriented, that's another conversation. 386 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: So there are a ton of guys in rounds two 387 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: and three that you could get to come in right away. 388 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson, a Wisconsin Jemmy Rockert who didn't catch a 389 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of Pauls at Ohio State. He's a great blocker, 390 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: but he has a chance to be one of these 391 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: guys who wasn't central to their offense because they had 392 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a live a and Garrett Wilson and Smith n Jagua. 393 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: He can come in right away and do some things 394 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: that maybe you didn't see him do to Ohio State 395 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this guy, this guy's a player 396 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: as well. Final a couple of things with Ryan Wilson. 397 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: He's our guests. You talk about it being very heavy 398 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: potentially at the top offensive lineman and tackles. The Colts 399 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: if they want to get that long term answer. Because 400 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: Anthony Gastonza retired a couple of years ago. Eric Fisher 401 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: is another free agent for the Colts. You know, what 402 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: do they do with that position? If they use a 403 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: high draft pick, say first or second round on a tackle, 404 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: they want that guy to be plug in play. He's 405 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: a true left tackle. Are there going to be left 406 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: over tackles in round two given the fact that Colts 407 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick? There'll be some guys 408 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: there for sure. I mean, how much of a project 409 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: with those guys? So, Nicholas petite Freer played at Ohio 410 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: State and he's played up against He's played against some dudes. 411 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: Now that Michigan game. Don't watch that game if you're 412 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: trying to get pumped up about having Ohio State offive 413 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: lineman because Adan Hudginson and Dania Jabo did some things. 414 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: He's a good, solid player. Tyler Smith out of Tulsa 415 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: is a is a huge man who's only going to 416 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: get better. Has a lot of athletic traits that you 417 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: like at that position. Daniel file Leley out of Minnesota 418 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: is three eighty seven. He moves much better, better than that, 419 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: and he's six six nine six eight two three eighty seven, 420 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: only been playing football for a couple of years, and 421 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: he's going to get better, and I was talking to 422 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: Scout that said, sometimes you watch him play, he looks 423 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: like a first round pick, and other times he looks 424 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: like a third or fourth round pick, because again it's 425 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: a process. But again that Ohio State game, he is 426 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: wrecking guys too. In Ohio State. Isn't some you know 427 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: in the n AIA program. He played extremely well and 428 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: you see glimpses that throughout the season, but he could 429 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: be there in round two. Darren Canard out of Kentucky 430 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: is another mawler. Plays right tackle. He may end up 431 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: kicking inside, but he has that versatility. Trevor Penny out 432 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: of Northern Iowa six nine plays with an edge. He 433 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: almost played sometimes too angry, but sometimes that's what you need. 434 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: Like no one thinks Quentin Nelson soft. Quintin Nelson sending 435 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: messages out there and people are receiving those messages. That's 436 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: sort of how Trevor Pinnion is and Bernard Raymond out 437 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: of Central Michigan. He plays left tackle, right tackles Luke geticky. 438 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Both those guys could be round two, round three guys. 439 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: And Raymond's young in terms, he hasn't played a lot 440 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: of football. He's he moved from Austria not too long ago, 441 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: converted tied end. So he has that athleticism, but he's 442 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: only gonna get stronger, getting better and getick. He's actually 443 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: more of a technician right now. But those guys can 444 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: come in and give you reps right away. Raymond and 445 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: Faile lately perhaps needs some time because you're younger in 446 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: terms of your experience, but you're investing in the future 447 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: and I like the upside and those guys I want 448 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: to go back at the very beginning talk about the combine. 449 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: How many combines is this for you? So? I actually 450 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: didn't start covering the draft for CBS until October twenty eighteen, 451 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: so ninety two. So this is technically my third because 452 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: it didn't come last year. All right, Well, you've been 453 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: around enough though, Yeah, you've seen it evolve even in 454 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: that short time. It's it's definitely graduated to some things. 455 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Two part question. First part is how have you seen 456 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: the combine change? For the good? For the positive. I 457 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: think it gets the fans more involved. It's sort of 458 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: like media night at the Super Bowl. UM. When I 459 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: started covering my first uer Bowl was the Indianapoli Super 460 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty twenty twelve season, Um they started letting fans. 461 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: That may have been the first year they started letting 462 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: fans into to radio row, to Radio row and to 463 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: the to the UM the media day, Yes, like the morning. 464 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: It was in the morning to correct the players will 465 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: come in the com rady and Elia Manning and fans 466 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: will sit in the stands just listen to them talk. Yeah, 467 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: so right behind us deal. I didn't bucks for that, 468 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: but right behind us is the bench press area. There's 469 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: a slew of stands that people can't come in and 470 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: yell and scream, and that's that's cool. And fans can 471 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: mill about here and they can see their favorite UM 472 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: college players walk by. And I think the NFL is 473 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: done a great job of getting the fans more involved 474 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and making it more of an immersive experience. And that's 475 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: great to see. And um, you know because twenty years 476 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: ago it was just a you remember, it used to 477 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: be the brown strength coach. That was the guy yelling 478 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: the scream at the guys who in the bench press, 479 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: and he was sort of the show. And now the 480 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: fans get to be part of the experience. And I 481 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: think they liked that. All right, How have you seen 482 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: the combine grow negatively. I don't know if it if 483 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: it has, like I suppose, coming into this combine, the 484 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: concerns about, um, why are we putting these kids in 485 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: the bubble, why aren't they allowed to be with their trainers? 486 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: And luckily the agents pushed um pushed in the NFL caved, 487 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: and I think there was the right decision. I get 488 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: it if he were twenty twenty, or we're just right 489 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: in the middle of the pandemic and you wanted to 490 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: keep the glass Year's version. I keep the kids in 491 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: the bubble, but the you know, the mass mandates are 492 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: no longer you know, being mandated. So it seems to 493 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: me that these guys who have been training at their 494 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: facilities for weeks now and are used to routines where 495 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: they work out pre workout with their trainer and the stretching. 496 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: Afterwards they work out with a therapist or whatever and 497 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: their massuses and that seemed weird to me. But other 498 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: than that, I think they this is I was just 499 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: telling my my coworkers yesterday, like, I love the Senior 500 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: Bowl and I love the Combine because there are two 501 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: experiences where you get at you talk to these players 502 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: that you don't typically get whether you're college cover college 503 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: football or obviously once you get to the NFL because 504 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: of the access you talk about putting out mock drafts 505 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: in September and October. What's the weekend like for you, 506 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: because you're obviously very clued into the NFL, as we 507 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: just heard. So I mean, all day Saturday, all day Sunday, 508 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: do you get a life? I mean, do you get 509 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: to I mean, is it uber eats or you bringing 510 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: in food? Like how do you have a chance to breathe? 511 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: It is? Look, I love my job, so but right 512 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Saturday and Sundays in the fall, I look forward to 513 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: the end of the college football season then because I 514 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: get a little break on Saturdays because Saturdays typically I'm 515 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: watching all the college the quarterbacks that I sort of 516 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: guys were Florida following like this year obviously the Matt 517 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Crowse I think, Malik Willis and the Carson Strong's and 518 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: Sam Howe's, Kenny Pickets. And then Sunday, you know, I'm 519 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: either in the studio in Stanford, Connecticut working there and 520 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: watching the games we're at home, and then we do 521 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the Pixix podcast afterwards. So like it makes for long days. 522 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: But I love it luckily like I'm not you know, 523 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: as my dad say, you could be digging ditches. Nah, 524 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: so there's that but yeah, but I've heard that somewhere before. Yeah, 525 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: so I keep at the end of the day, we 526 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: all get to talk about football, right, so how bad 527 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: can it be? Yeah, the guy digging ditches is probably 528 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: talking football too, but outstandingly done. Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports HQ. 529 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: I told you before we started that, you know, working 530 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: remotely for a lot of the last couple of years, 531 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: I've got I've got it on all day every day. 532 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: It's like wallpaper and there you are. I appreciate it. 533 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: So looking good as always. Thank you, Matt, thank you, 534 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: thanks for being here. It's Ryan Wilson from CBS Sports 535 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: CBS Sports HQ at the NFL Scouting Combine in downtown Indianapolis.