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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly zeitgeistal Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented,

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Speaker 1: the hilarious Chelsea Webber Smith. Well, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: here with you guys. Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 1: It's always such a great conversation to be ahead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I love talking to you guys. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: so good talking to you, as we've talked about before.

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Speaker 1: You like your work on you know, social moral panics

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Speaker 1: and just your kind of pop cultural history. Mind for

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Speaker 1: pop culture history is just just injected right into my

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Speaker 1: fucking veins. I love it. I will What are you

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Speaker 1: trying to get a jumbo red top? You want to

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Speaker 1: or want to? Is? Um? The other thing? I was

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Speaker 1: gonna see what I was thinking to you when little

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Speaker 1: nas x tworked his way to Hell. Okaybe I know

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Speaker 1: that was full blown. It was you know, I will

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Speaker 1: say it hasn't been great pr for Satanists the last

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Speaker 1: little while here, you know, But yeah, I would think

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Speaker 1: I think he has a brilliant PR team, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he's a huge part of, because I think they

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Speaker 1: knew what they were doing with that and what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen. And is I appreciate a good PR

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Speaker 1: stunt as much as I hate capitalism, I have to say.

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Speaker 1: And that was a beautiful, beautiful rollout from start to

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Speaker 1: finish there, and you know it was a Satanic panic,

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Speaker 1: but man, things just the last Satanic Panic lasted like

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Speaker 1: fifteen years and it's just like we're turning over. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we turned them over fast. But yeah, thank you for

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Speaker 1: thinking of Yeah. You know, when Charles Manson died, a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people called me, are you okay? And I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't like superho killers. How does

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Speaker 1: that feel for you? What? Wait? What did you think?

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Speaker 1: I was in the manna? Like, oh, my god, the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Oh, his wisdom was so beyond and his music,

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Speaker 1: let's not forget pour one out for another musical king,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty ridic Did you ever hear those weird tapes?

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Speaker 1: Those those are I remember dating somebody who put me on,

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Speaker 1: put me on, but like played them for me for

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Speaker 1: the first time, and I immediately was like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: like why do you have all these MP three's, These

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Speaker 1: are not good songs at all. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: come on out to this y ch where me and

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Speaker 1: my friends hang out, and uh, we can just you

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Speaker 1: know about dumpster diving. It's like we love I can't

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Speaker 1: remember it, but it's a real happy like let's go

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Speaker 1: dumpster diving, you guys. And it's so he was heavily

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Speaker 1: influenced by and even friends with the Beach Boys, and

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Speaker 1: they both branched off in their opposite directions and took things.

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Speaker 1: I think Kokomo is the most authentically and deeply satanic

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Speaker 1: song in American culture because it's just like at that

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Speaker 1: point where the hippies and like the sixties culture has

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Speaker 1: completely sold its soul to capitalism and just like visions

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Speaker 1: of you know, steel drums dancing in our head. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's so interesting because Charles Manson and the Manson family

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Speaker 1: like a huge kickoff for the satanic panic because originally

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Speaker 1: they were like, this is a Satanic ritual, and so

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Speaker 1: it's just like and then it was like Rosemary's Baby

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Speaker 1: and the ex are cists in all of these like

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Speaker 1: Satanic movies with all this like happenings around them that

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to be like like a cross was struck

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Speaker 1: by lightning the night of the premier and you know,

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Speaker 1: so it's just like the beginning of this Satanic panic

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Speaker 1: that we're still I mean, we've always had a Satanic panic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just it just gets big sometimes it puffs up

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Speaker 1: and I should say Satanic in the more evil than anything. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not nice Satanists who are just like challenging, Yeah, shall

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Speaker 1: be the whole of the law. Yeah, is Satan is?

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like little Nozex is making Satan

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Speaker 1: Satanic Panic only lasted all but fifteen seconds, has Satan

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Speaker 1: lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod

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Speaker 1: for outrage for conservative people? Like are we in a

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Speaker 1: post Satan world now? Like Satan is no longer the

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Speaker 1: It's in the backwards records. It's all the same ship.

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Speaker 1: but he did kill Satan. Yeah. Did you ever witness

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Speaker 1: a wave of comedy like sketch sketch comedy around Manson

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Speaker 1: the Spooky Day and the guys that trying of recorded

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Speaker 1: yeah stuff and kept coming back with all kinds of weird.

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Speaker 1: the gate, he like used that to just be like,

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Speaker 1: It is a saga. What is something you think is overrated? Ah?

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Speaker 1: So overrated? Um, I'm trying to figure out the best

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Speaker 1: way to phrase this, but I would say talent or

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Speaker 1: like the word talent, so this is kind of speaking

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Speaker 1: as an artist. So I got my training like a

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Speaker 1: long time ago, back in high school. Primarily I've been

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Speaker 1: I was an English major and university and all these things,

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Speaker 1: I'm always hearing people say, oh, you are so talented,

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Speaker 1: your artists so good, You're so talented, and artists a

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Speaker 1: skill just like any other skill, any other tree that

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Speaker 1: word skilled over talented. I would say, yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: because I think it obscures essential part of what it

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Speaker 1: You've got these freaks walking around call artists and they

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Speaker 1: just can't help themselves but to pick up a brush

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Speaker 1: I thinks why. There's like a book I read. It's

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Speaker 1: a very easy read. It's called how to Steal Like

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Speaker 1: an Artist. That really helps like deconstruct this idea that

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Speaker 1: like people aren't just iterating on things that happened that

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Speaker 1: they've they've looked at or were influenced by, rather than

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Speaker 1: this idea that like in a vacuum, you're hit with

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe help will help people embrace like

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Speaker 1: like anything, it's a muscle. You gotta The first ship

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Speaker 1: But you like it and it doesn't matter. And that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, just looking at the art, like when you

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Speaker 1: it was portfolio day. Yeah yeah, it's very like it's

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Speaker 1: encouraging to me to hear you say that like talent,

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Speaker 1: like that it's not just god given talent because like that,

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Speaker 1: this is like you. It's like you have photo realistic stuff.

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Speaker 1: You have like really cool looking, like more cartoon influenced stuff,

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Speaker 1: I still think that my art could use improvement, but

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Speaker 1: I do I do appreciate hearing that people enjoy my artworks.

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Speaker 1: The process. You know, we're never done. We're never done,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think that's the biggest

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Speaker 1: be like I can do better and ship. Trust me

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Speaker 1: as a Japanese person, I know, I know the ship

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Speaker 1: like nailing down a raft and perfecting things because that's

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Speaker 1: style it will continue. It's just like you gotta go

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Speaker 1: it was how because he was so emotionally transparent on

425
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: top of like just being a great performer. But I

426
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: think it was he was able to be vulnerable in

427
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: a way that like a lot of like rappers really

428
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: weren't at the time. So yeah, he communicated more like

429
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: in the intros like before he started rapping, just like

430
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: was like so much just energy and pathos and yeah,

431
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: like just that dude's spirit that dudes energy is like

432
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: because I mean there was like the flex culture of like, yeah,

433
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: look at me what I got or whatever, and like

434
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with this, this, that and the other

435
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: woman whatever. But it was a lot more about like

436
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: just dark ship that he was going through. It wasn't

437
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: as much of like the it wasn't as material. I mean,

438
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: later on, I think he started to make the more

439
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: like party albums and things are you know, track slightly different.

440
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think that's

441
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: really what I think was for me interesting because he's

442
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: coming up in the time where like hard Knock Life

443
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: or bad like bad Boy is sort of dominating the sound,

444
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: which is all materialism, and then to have this guy

445
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: like screaming in a tank top wearing a like chain,

446
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: like a literally like chain link as like a fucking

447
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: jewelry and you're like, ohh remember an X going to

448
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: give it to you when he was when he said

449
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: fight these tears, I was like, huh, that's yeah, you

450
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: want to fight me? Fight these tears? Are like wow, yeah,

451
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that's like that's dark, that's that's emotional. Yeah, he's an artist.

452
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: He really is an artist. And like in terms of

453
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: having a pristine legacy, I mean, we're human. Humans are

454
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: no humans perfect, right, But he's he's an artist. Yeah,

455
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: he's artists thrown through And you can just tell from

456
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: the amount of people that showed up when he was

457
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: on his deathbed, Like it's it's weird. You know, we've

458
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: lost a lot of artists before. But it's interesting when

459
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: you can actually like you can begin to measure truly

460
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: like from the output of like people sharing memories or

461
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: like moving into physical space to be near. It is

462
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: a huge thing. So, yeah, sad to see him. It's

463
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: only only fifty young, fifty years young, rest in peace. Yeah,

464
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough time for you know, I

465
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: just anecdotally I know people who are passing because of

466
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: suicide and drug drug addiction, like more more than I

467
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: feel like I've ever like kind of just anecdotally, like

468
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: not not like close friends of mine, but close friends

469
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: of close friends. And it just seems like the pandemic

470
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: has taken a toll. And just in general, the fact that,

471
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: like Physy said, these are illnesses that people aren't willing

472
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: to treat his illnesses, that like those things are taking

473
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: a toll, especially in America, You'll see, I mean, and

474
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: you hope that these are the kinds of moments that

475
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: can hopefully shift move a prod the culture to move

476
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: forward a little bit, to be like if if you're gonna,

477
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: if you're willing to say the addiction was a tragedy.

478
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: When they're dead, you have to be able to have

479
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: that same empathy and energy for someone from the onset.

480
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: It can't be like, oh, you're crackhead and then it's

481
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: over there, because I think that I think that was

482
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the discourse, especially in the last sort

483
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: of ten years or so when he really had kind

484
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: of fallen off, where people just like, oh, he's an afterthought,

485
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: like you know, he did that to himself, when when

486
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: it's so funny because most of us know we have

487
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: examples of addiction in that struggle in our lives that

488
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: we are very much invested in the wellness of that person.

489
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: But with celebrities it's like this thing. It's like, well,

490
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: fuck you till you die, and then when you die,

491
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: oh what a shame? Right, Yeah, yeah, alright, let's take

492
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,

493
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: and all right, let's talk briefly about infrastructure. Yeah, it'd

494
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: be nice to have some yeah here, alright, moving on, Yeah,

495
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that's it. That's really my take, just my idea. I

496
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: just read this thing about France and I was like,

497
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: it must be nice. But you know, it's like a

498
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: lot of nations are, especially America, takes it's sweet fucking

499
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: time trying to figure out how to combat CEO two emissions.

500
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: There's like little examples of like just small things you

501
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: can do to have positive outcomes. Like in France, Um,

502
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, when they're not busy in acting just horrifically islamophobic,

503
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: he job laws and you know, robbing people of agency

504
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: because that's just not how we get down here. Uh,

505
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: they are really trying to figure out like a practical

506
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: way to combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like,

507
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: oh yes, shout out to them. But there's just an example,

508
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: right that they've been trying to read configure in internal

509
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: domestic flights with by saying if there is a flight,

510
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train

511
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: in under two and a half hours, we ain't doing

512
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: that flight anymore. We're just not doing it. It doesn't

513
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: make sense because then you can take a fucking train

514
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: because on average the plane has amidst seventy seven times

515
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: more CEO to per passenger than the train. So that's

516
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: like a little thing you can do. Okay, it's so wonderful,

517
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: but we already got like things where like Republicans are like, oh,

518
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: given money to amtrack, right, Yeah, that's what my first

519
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: thought was, Like, wait, so the government's telling them to

520
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: do that and they're listening without like a enormous political

521
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: backlash on like a bunch of militia people like yeah,

522
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: they also do ship like be like oh, Air France,

523
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: you need some money. Okay, well guess who owns part

524
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: of that now the government? Because you needed some bailout money,

525
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: we're here. It's like it's my friend. Though, It's like, well,

526
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: if you were really thinking, imagine you were thinking like

527
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: a businessman, if another business person came up and you said, hey,

528
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: let me get alone, you'd be like, okay, give me

529
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: a stake in your fucking company. That's your fucking head

530
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: that come up with that ownership scheme. It's not like

531
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: the US government hasn't bailed out their lines like constantly

532
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: it's just bad PR to nationalism, I mean exactly, that's

533
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: all it is, is bad PR. It's actually good policy

534
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: and it makes for better outcomes by not allowing these

535
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: greedy funks to do whatever the funk they want. So anyway,

536
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: along those lines, it's just saying it's stuff like this

537
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: that the U S should be thinking about more aggressively,

538
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: because the other thing is like, as much as they're like, oh,

539
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna go electric, all electric everything, it's gonna be electric.

540
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Avenue was still mainstream electrical parade that when you see

541
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: our fleets coming down the street, Okay, fine, but that's

542
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: not Electric cars alone will not solve this crisis. Like,

543
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production

544
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: and transport of electric vehicles, it's not it's not like, oh,

545
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in

546
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: on some level for us to really cut down on emissions.

547
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: And I was just reading this other piece, especially looking

548
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: at things happening in Europe as a result of pandemic,

549
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: like I think overall, but like interest in cycling has

550
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: gone up in this country myself included, like I use

551
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: a bike way more than I used to. But just

552
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: looking at simple things like this. In this study, they

553
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: found urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for

554
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint by

555
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: about a half ton of c O two over the

556
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: course of a year, and that's essentially the same as

557
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: the equivalent emissions from a one way flight from London

558
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: to New York. So and if just one in five

559
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: urban residents permanently changed our travel behavior in this way

560
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: over the next few years, it could cut emissions of

561
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: car travel too close to eight eight percent in Europe

562
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: specifically in this analysis. So like, just build the bike.

563
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: Like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like,

564
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: oh wow, why wouldn't bike there because it's safe. L

565
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: A is like fucking add max, Like you've got to

566
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I hope you're built to ride a

567
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: bike in the in these streets because nobody's saving you.

568
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: It's just different levels of encouragement. I think we need them.

569
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: There used to be a thing at like when I

570
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: worked for a tech company where they would ask you

571
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: if you drove to work and they would actually be

572
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: able to enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking

573
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: spot if you said that you like rode a bike

574
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: to work, and then you would get like a tax

575
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: break I think or something. This was in l A.

576
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: But that's like rather than going through your employer. Why

577
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: not just make it so that people like can report

578
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: for riding a bike everywhere and like get get some

579
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: sort of credit that doesn't require all sorts of you know,

580
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: the the US just makes things super complicated and favoring

581
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: of employers over employees so that they don't lose the

582
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: power to the you know, so capital doesn't lose the

583
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: power to the people. Yeah, I'm just thinking like the

584
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: like even with New York, right, all the stuff that

585
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: is being proposed, like how can we reuse the street?

586
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: It's smarter, you know, because clearly COVID led to a

587
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: movement of like reclaiming these streets for it was like

588
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: public spaces or no car spaces and like using bikes

589
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: and things like that. To to wasteide opportunity to apply

590
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: that sort of thinking across the country, it's such a

591
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. And for like people like to ride bikes

592
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: in l A, which is wild, Like there's there are

593
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: many opportunities to ride your bike with groups or whatever.

594
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: You can. Fucking there's like certain paths that you can take,

595
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: but it's not enough where it feels like a city

596
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: that's thinking about people who ride bicycles And I feel

597
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: like when you're in just to give people that encouragement

598
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: would be just such a natural way where something like oh, funky,

599
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: I would love to ride a protected bike path rather

600
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: than worrying if I'm gonna get sideswiped by a cost

601
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: goal delivery truck because nobody's looking that like just passively,

602
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: like just sit. You can't cost much money. It can't

603
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: cost that much money, and you're damn sure not spending

604
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: it to help unhouse people. So where the what the

605
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: funk are y'all doing? And like the and COVID's lockdowns,

606
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: like nature just sort of started to blossom in this

607
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: weird way because a lot of the pollution was cut

608
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: down and so it's like, like you said, it's this

609
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: missed opportunity to be like, okay, so this is like

610
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: the effect of us doing X, Y and Z. So

611
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: then we obviously can't keep going at that rate, but

612
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: how can we apply some of the you know, the

613
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: improvements as negative as everything's been, the environmental improvements of

614
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: us just like not fucking with everything constantly, right, So

615
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: it's like I hope that we I am dubious, but

616
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: I do hope it will take stuff from that that

617
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: it makes it disheartening. There's been some coverage of the

618
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: of that being like somewhat exaggerated, the like echo like

619
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: benefits and like the you know, dolphins have returned to

620
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: the canals of Venice. I think that was fake id

621
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: but but I think they're you know, overall, there's definitely

622
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: been a decrease in flights, decrease in you know, miles driven,

623
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: and I was I was just thinking, as as you

624
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, like way things that we could

625
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: take from the pandemic. If we're allowed to just wear

626
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: sweats from now on, like everywhere, it doesn't matter, then

627
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: I can ride my bike to work and not worry

628
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: about the fact that like I sweat through three shirts.

629
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: We have to become a post drip society, Yes, thank you.

630
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to move into a post

631
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: drip culture because the drip is you know, directly related

632
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: to capitalism, consumer capitalism, and I think if we can,

633
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: if we can move to a post drip economy, a

634
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: post drip society, a lot of ills will be remedied.

635
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: Because I think to outwardly be able to you know,

636
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: evoke your status with your clothes is like the is

637
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: the is the first game that ship plays on you

638
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: to beIN sort of rat racing towards nonsense and post

639
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: drip in the sense that I will be completely dripping

640
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: and sweat and people have to get over that. Yeah,

641
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about Matt Gates. Just check in

642
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: real quick with him. I think the women who worked

643
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: for him have put this whole story to bed by

644
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: using the always effective uh sexual predator evidence of well,

645
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: there are women who he hasn't assaulted and been a

646
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: creep to, so therefore it must mean that he's not

647
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a creep because I mean, yeah, this, I I will

648
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: just read this because that's always like, if you're racist,

649
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: then you need someone to be like as a friend

650
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: to other non whites. Um, and I have a few

651
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: of them who will perform for me for my defense.

652
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: But in this case, this is the press that or

653
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: the statement that came out of his office today. The

654
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: women of US Congressman Matt Gates's official office released the

655
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: following statement after the shocking allegations last week in the press,

656
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: we the women of Congressman Gates's office feel morally obligated

657
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: to speak out. Also, just so you know, no names

658
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: are specifically signed up a statement just because it's written

659
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: by Matt Gates. Actually, I just read it like this

660
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: toxic fuck. During Congressman gates Is time in office, we

661
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: have been behind the scenes every step of the way.

662
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: We staffed his meetings, we have planned his events, we

663
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: travel with him, we have even tracked his schedule. Congressman

664
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Gates has always been a principle and morally grounded leader.

665
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: At no time has any one of us experienced or

666
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: witnessed anything less than the utmost professionalism and respect. No

667
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: hint of impropriety, no ounce of truthfulness. Okay, maybe twenty

668
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: seven grams of it, but that's a graham short of announce. Now,

669
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: in our office and under Congressman Gates's leadership, women are

670
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: not only respected, but have been encouraged time and time

671
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: again to grow, achieve more, and ultimately no our value. Okay,

672
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: let me continue. On every occasion he has treated each

673
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and every one of us with respect. Thus we uniformly

674
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: reject these allegations as false. That is such a fucking stretch.

675
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: And get a single one of them to sign their

676
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: name to this again, and the final one, just so

677
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: you know it's really written by a conservative male Congressman

678
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: Gates will continue to lead by example and stand for

679
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the people of America who have been maligned by the

680
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: liberal elite, and we will stand with him. While we

681
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: recognize the scrutiny we will face for making this decision,

682
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: we take comfort in the hope that more Americans and

683
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: elected officials will stand up and refuse to remain silent

684
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: about what sex trafficking. Yeah about the pictures he was

685
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: showing people. Sorry, I had to sit back down after

686
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: standing to salute after that statement, though, I mean there

687
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: and then, and unfortunately the details are just getting worse

688
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: and more clear that he absolutely has everything to do

689
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: with this Joel Greenberg, guy who's under investigation. Uh. The

690
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: last thing that came out was like over the before

691
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: the weekend, were these VENMO receipts to that popped up

692
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: to Joel Greenberg, the guy who's trafficking these young women

693
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: and and girls in certain instances where Gates sent Greenberg

694
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: nine dollars and then the next day Greenberg is sending

695
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: out nine hundred dollars in different denominations to three different women.

696
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: So it says the membo field for the first of

697
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Gates's transactions to Greenberg, was titled test. In the second,

698
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the Florida GOP congressman wrote, hit up blank, but instead

699
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: of a blank, Gates wrote a nickname for one of

700
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: the recipients. Um. When Greenberg and this, the Daily Beast

701
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: said they're not sharing that nickname because the teenager had

702
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: only turned eighteen, eighteen years old, less than six months

703
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: before this transaction. When Greenberg then made his VENMO payments

704
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to these three young women, he described the money as

705
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: being for one payment quote tuition, one quote school and

706
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: the other one quote school. Q and on are you there?

707
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: Can you help? Huh? Are you? Where is your energy? Que?

708
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: Where is that energy for the for the child the

709
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: child sex trafficking or is it is it just cover

710
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: for your your ignorance and white supremas. I don't know,

711
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: but if help um so now two to two of

712
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: his staffers have already resigned, probably more at this point,

713
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: and he's truly now going for the defense that we

714
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: saw a certain Alabama Secretary of State deploy last week

715
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: where he says this is from his office. Matt Gates

716
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: has never paid for sex. Matt Gates refutes all the

717
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gates has never ever been on it,

718
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: he said, never ever, come on now, has never ever

719
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gates cherishes the

720
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the

721
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: love of his life. Says like never always. I'm like,

722
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: you're already lying never ever, ever, ever, ever ever. He

723
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: just got a did right due, I swear my mom, Dude,

724
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: I swear my mom. I sweared my mom. I had

725
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: never paid for sex, bro, Dude, make I'll swearing anything,

726
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: name something right now? My grandma. Do you know how

727
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: much I love her? Bro, I'll frown that ship. Okay,

728
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Grandma and the crosstairs of the universe. Yeah, of letting

729
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: Karma a crush your poor grandma because you are a

730
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: fucking sex criminal allegedly. Um. And also it got even

731
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: worse because News then broke that Greenberg Joel Greenberg, he's

732
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: gonna make He's gonna I think he's gonna take a Yeah,

733
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: so he's going to be Kooper rating, meaning Gates may

734
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: now become the prize show horse he always wanted to be.

735
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: And I just want to play this clip because Joel

736
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: Greenberg's lawyer, dude, credit to this guy. I'm just gonna

737
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: play this exchange or right after they talk about like

738
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: the plea deal happening immediately the pre is like to

739
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: Joel Greenberg's lawyers like, hey, like, so what do you

740
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: think this means for Gates? And he's trying his best, y'all.

741
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: But this is a beautiful bit of back and forth

742
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: between Joel Greenberg's lawyer on the heels of announcing that

743
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: they're probably can take a plea deal. Do does Matt

744
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: Gates have anything to worry about? Does Matt Gates that

745
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: is such a um comes to what happened today? Does

746
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: he uh have anything to worry about? And you're asking

747
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: me to get into the mind of Matt Gates and uh, well,

748
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: from your mind, from my mind, my clients. See, I

749
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: thought if I kept on talking and talking, I would

750
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: avoid these questions and not to say, um, I'm sure

751
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: Matt Gates is not feeling very comfortable today. Oh damn

752
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: he this is. And it's while he also did the

753
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: dumb man thing where you you know you fucked up.

754
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: So you're just gonna laboriously repeat the question back what

755
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: did I do last night at the club? So you're

756
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: asking should you be worried? About what I did. Okay,

757
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: so you want me to enter the mind of you,

758
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: my partner. Okay, land this out here because I do

759
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: need let me let me just write this down real quick.

760
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: Let me okay, let me just write down. Um, so

761
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you're the subject. But I do love. I have to

762
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: respect that he came clean. I was like, I thought

763
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: if I kept repeating what he was saying that I

764
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: would run out the clock. And it doesn't seem to

765
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: have worked. And so yeah, he's fucked. Yeah that was beautiful. Please,

766
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, just resign and fucking whatever. I mean. It's

767
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: so weird too, like when these staffers leave now it's like, oh,

768
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't the racist insurrection is ship or the other

769
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: stuff before. Just weird when people draw these lines. But

770
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: it also shows you the nature of working in politics

771
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: is like you're truly like hitching your wagon to a

772
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: star and when you realize it's about to explode, like

773
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: you got to try and take that momentum and like

774
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: hopefully it jettison's you into like another orbit. But I

775
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: don't know how the funk you're gonna leave have this

776
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: on your resume. You might be like, oh, I actually

777
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: didn't work from I was just smoking mad weed. The

778
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: best you can do. Uh, it's just like Matt Gates

779
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: is such an idiot. Yeah, it's really I would almost

780
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: say I feel bad for white men because like, damn,

781
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: like the world reflected some dumb ship back to y'all,

782
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: like you could, like you can get away with this

783
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: kind of ship, and it's made you the worst criminals

784
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: on earth. Its wild because it's like for so long

785
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: they get away with it. That wouldn't the fact that

786
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: what they do because they can get away with it,

787
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're fucked up. Like it takes pleasure

788
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: in routing people. M hmm, Like there, it's crazy. I

789
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: mean I'm thinking about like Scott Ruden also just because

790
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, like unnecessarily cruel, and it's it's purely

791
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: for your own personal gratification, you know what I mean.

792
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: It's not even about the other person. It's like you're

793
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: you're completely out of control and you're like, oh, that's

794
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: how I just respond to ship. And I do that

795
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: because I'm not willing to for a second create some

796
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: self awareness or figure out like if this is the

797
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: right thing. It's just me indulging my fucking worst impulses constantly. Yeah,

798
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: it's so important for them to make those worst impulses

799
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: a part of what like drove them to success. Yeah,

800
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: rather than it just being you got lucky and you

801
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: happen to be of a certain level of intelligence that

802
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: you were able to do this thing and you could

803
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: have been nice the whole fucking or Matt Gates, bro,

804
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: you had everything right. You're from from a so much wealth,

805
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: familial wealth. Like he grew up in the Truman Show House.

806
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Yeah, literally the Truman show House,

807
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: literally the house that they made the Truman Show in

808
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: that they shot the Truman Show in. Oh no, so

809
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: he has main character syndrome. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

810
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: for sure. They've been just feeding him privileged like he's

811
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: like they're trying to make fog raw like just NonStop

812
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: advantages and he doesn't. That's that's just it's he's curdled. Yeah,

813
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be

814
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. Uh. And so the prosecution

815
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: in the Derek Chovian case has rested, and now time

816
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: for the defense to uh pull out all the stops,

817
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: explain why what we all saw was not what we

818
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: all saw and it's it's wild. I mean, like some

819
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: of these expert witnesses, it's just like I don't know,

820
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: like what is this? Is this a thing where you

821
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: will be able to continue to consider yourself like a

822
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: functional human being after after doing this? I mean, this

823
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: is the thing for people who are the defense lawyers

824
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: and experts, For people like Derek Chauvin, You're you're operating

825
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: in a different on a different wavelength because you're like, fuck,

826
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: all right, let me put the cape on for white

827
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: supremacy and try and obscure the facts as best as

828
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: I can, and trying, well, I can go to sleep

829
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: at night because I'm a goblin and I live on

830
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: the side of a church and I turned to stone

831
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: at night. So the whole thing is, like their witness

832
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: is so Guy Fowler is just an absolute fucking clown

833
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: with the theory like that. Essentially, this guy is almost

834
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: suggesting like, you know, maybe George Floyd was actually dead

835
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: before the police arrived, Like these are the kinds of

836
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: swings he's taking. And the whole thing isn't even like

837
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: a clear theory that he has. It's just to be like,

838
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: well it could have been. I don't know it could

839
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: have been that could have been, could have been a

840
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: white supremacy doesn't exist. I don't know, guys, what am

841
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: I doing up here? So he says, first a few

842
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: of the theories Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded by the

843
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: exhaust pipe of the nearby police car where he was

844
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: being knelt on. Then he also did concede during the

845
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: cross examination that he didn't know anything about the car,

846
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: what kind of exhaust came out, or even if it

847
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: was running at the time. So they were like, he's like,

848
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: all right, how's this? Let me all right, new angle,

849
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: new angle? How about this one? Perhaps a tumor found

850
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: in Floyd's lower abdomen could have contributed to a sudden

851
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: surge of adrenaline that led to quote sudden cardiac or hythmia.

852
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: What yeah, this is like arguing with the person who's

853
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: just trying to argue, like you don't know, it's a

854
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: lot a lot like arguing with the conspiracy theorist, or

855
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: like a flat earther is like, how do you know

856
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: you've been? You've been, You've been to space? Have you

857
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: flown up there and seen the curvature of Earth? Because

858
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: then well, that's that's their eployed, like they're just leaning

859
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: into how do you know out? Yeah, They're only thing

860
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: is like you have to prove down the shadow of

861
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: a doubt, and doing that the thing where they give

862
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: themselves intellectual cover for their racism, which is to be like, well,

863
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: it couldn't just been that this guy just killed this

864
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: black guy because it's racist. It could have been this,

865
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: it could have been that. Because for me to agree

866
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: with you that this officer, then I have to actually

867
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge this form of racism on some level, which I'm

868
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: not willing to do, so I would rather retreat to

869
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the safety of these intellectually disingenuous arguments of for example,

870
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: the position of Chauvin's knee during the arrest, saying it

871
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily restricting Floyd's breathing and if it was, there

872
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: would be evidence of bruising on his body. There was

873
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: bruising on the body. The prosecutors entered. They they showed

874
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: that evidence. So it's just like again, this is it's

875
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: just an exhausting exercise in trying to deal with this,

876
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, expert, and this seems to be his specialty

877
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: obscuring black death because This is another this from the

878
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: Daily Beast quote. Though not part of the Chauvin case.

879
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Fowler is currently being sued for his expert testimony in

880
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: another case in Maryland where police killed a black team

881
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: and arrest the parents. The teen's parents described as quote

882
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: chilling lee similar to George Floyd's, but a death that

883
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: Fowler similarly testified was quote accidental. So he's like the

884
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: special forces white supremacy, you know, like operative, let me help.

885
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: What is it looks like a clear cut case of

886
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: this murder. Here's a bunch of mush. And we have

887
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: such a longstanding relationship in systemic racism with with um

888
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: logic and science and the neutrality of using that as

889
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: a rationalizing and kind of eradicating any kind of like

890
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: humane perspective on it. It just reduces it down to like, Okay,

891
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: if we're just talking about if the law is about

892
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: like what are the specific facts and or and the

893
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: science behind is the specific facts, that's all they're going

894
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: to lean into, and that's all that that and that's

895
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: going to be their safety point. Because I think the

896
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: next step that we do in this fucking country is

897
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: like but that that is what justice is is based

898
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: on truth, on fact and truth, and so these impassioned,

899
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, from our perspective, completely logical arguments of like

900
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: you have documentation of someone being murdered, you have someone

901
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: being crushed and slowly choked, Like, yeah, that's what we see.

902
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: Amiensa yeah, while screaming about it, they'll be like, no,

903
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: but we need to get in to really get under

904
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: the hood here, because otherwise, if this poor man is

905
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: wrongly accused, our entire system, you know, would be upended.

906
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: And it's and it's always people have been wrongly accused.

907
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: It's constantly this thing of like the system needs to

908
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: be protected, the system needs to be sort of like

909
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: the fragility of the system is being tested and we

910
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: have to kind of uphold it. That that that's my

911
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: imagining of what this Well it's the last line because well,

912
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: because yeah, the system itself is inherently racist. So to

913
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: acknowledge it would it would i would have to crumble

914
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: more in the sense that justice would have to be

915
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: applied in this context where normally wouldn't be able to

916
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: retreat under the cover of law or legal lease sort

917
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: of explain away what actually happened. I mean, if you

918
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: remember my great poem I just did like these alabaster temples. Um, yeah,

919
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: we just don't want to. They're like, oh my god,

920
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: can you imagine the paperwork involved if we admit we're

921
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: we're a racist country. No, we can't deal with too much. Man.

922
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: If it's really bad, then yeah. If they don't know

923
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: how to stick to the script and keep it low,

924
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: then yeah, sure we'll do that to create some semblance

925
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: of justice. But that's not what this whole thing is.

926
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: And the other thing that was going on during this

927
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: whole portion again, even the journalists and people who were

928
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: observing the trout, they weren't even clear if any of

929
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: this testimony from these experts was actually helping Chouvin at all.

930
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: They were more like, that is harming him because this

931
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: stuff is so nonsensical. One of the last things Fowler

932
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: said was he saw no evidence that Floyd was oxygen

933
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: deprived because he didn't complain during the arrest of experiencing

934
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: problems with his vision, which would be indicative that you

935
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: are you're you're being deprived of oxygen. You would be

936
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: seeing these spots, the little spots of light and things

937
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: like And because George Floyd only said I can't breathe.

938
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: How do we know this? He literally made this argument.

939
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: And when someone's trying to murder you, you also have

940
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: to treat them as your doctor. You've my throat, my

941
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: carodd artery has been severed, and there from the blood

942
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: loss like what you feel like a Virginia Wolf style

943
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: like stream of consciousness of literally everything you're experiencing. Uh,

944
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: these are the hoops all to avoid. Actually, you know,

945
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: giving justice to somebody who's been murdered is just to

946
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: do all these fucking ridiculous hoops when before it's easy

947
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: enough for a black person to get killed because he

948
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: looked at somebody. Really, and again, the defense is laughable

949
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: because white supremacy is laughable, you know what I mean.

950
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, the idea that

951
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: because you are white, you are owed things. So when

952
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: someone has to go up and try and essentially give

953
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: some kind of quote medical counterpoint to what is just

954
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: a clear hate crime that results in the death, yeah,

955
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: you look, it looks like absolute nonsense. So I hope

956
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: the jury is equally as disturbed as most people hearing

957
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: this would be. But well, there and there is one

958
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: jury member who um apparently is a Blue Lives Matter supporter,

959
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: and I think it's a female, and I think she

960
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: had another she had voiced at some point some issues

961
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: she had with Black Lives Matters, So I don't know

962
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: how the funk she got on there, but when she's

963
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: in the mix. Interestingly enough, because when they were looking for,

964
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, trying to select the jury pool, they had

965
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: to fill out surveys like did you hold a sign

966
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: during the summer? Would it say? I wonder if she's like, yeah,

967
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: I did, said Blue Lives Matter. I think I'd like

968
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: to have for a little spice. That's all it takes you, unfortunately,

969
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: and that's why this it's that's why this ship is

970
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: so frustrating, because Black people are having to look time

971
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: and again into the eye of this demonic system in

972
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: this country to say, what, we don't give a fuck.

973
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Can you tell us why you're protesting though today you like?

974
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: And that's just more insidious because they should just be

975
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: saying we don't give a fuck. I'm here because I

976
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: have to, we need to appear a certain way, but

977
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: really we don't give a fuck. And if you want,

978
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: if you want the proof, look at the outcomes. There's

979
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: no justice for you because we don't give a fuck.

980
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: Well that's that that that recurrent thing where they're like,

981
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why people damage property and and

982
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: and lose control. It's just like for us to not

983
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: have for us, I don't know, it's for people to

984
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: not have the like, Yeah, if you were pushed to

985
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: this point, what the funk would you do? Like, how

986
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: would you react? We see how you, like a lot

987
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: of you people react having a black kid walk through

988
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: your neighborhood in South Carolina. You know, you lose all

989
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: control and and you know, jettison them short of you know,

990
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: murdering them. But it's like but there's no there's no

991
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: identification with you're with the other and that you know.

992
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: It is just like it's so insane and it's and

993
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: it's so insane because it is insane. It is a

994
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: it is a dysfunctional way that we collectively are dealing

995
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: with trauma, ongoing trauma that we that we bring to

996
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: one another over and over again, you know what I mean. Yeah,

997
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: it's cool, but all in all, pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. Uh,

998
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: let's talk about this House bill, which you know progress

999
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: that it's getting raised as a as a possibility at

1000
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: least we're making the Republicans go on the record and

1001
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: squash it. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, yeah, just the thing.

1002
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: You know, again, as we're talking all the ills in

1003
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: this country, especially regards to racism, we can draw a

1004
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: straight line to slavery and the fact that we have

1005
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: had no reckoning with it, absolutely none. Just you know,

1006
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: here's a month, yes about that, okay, and then other

1007
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: than that is just crickets. So you know, for decades,

1008
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: black lawmakers have been trying to advance legislation that would

1009
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: at the very least begin to formally analyze what needs

1010
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: to be done, how we can right these wrongs. And

1011
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: some legislation did just move out of committee um to

1012
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: do just that, allowing for the formation of a commission

1013
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: to look at the impacts of slavery discrimination from fucking

1014
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen and now, um and there figure out ways

1015
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: what we need to alter in our educational system, what

1016
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: are the solutions to to right all of the racist

1017
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: wrongs in the country, and what kind of compensation should

1018
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: be offered on top of that, considering the just the

1019
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: by design poverty that black people experience. Um. So yeah,

1020
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: a really great moment when we see those things, But

1021
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: you always realize, yeah, I got out of committee, where

1022
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: then it has to be voted on by these other

1023
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: fucking people in this country. And you already have Jim

1024
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Jordan's saying, spend twenty million for a commission. There's already

1025
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: that's already decided to take money from people who were

1026
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: never involved in the evil of slavery and give it

1027
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: to people who are never subject to the evil of slavery.

1028
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: That's what Democrats on the Judiciary Community Committee you're doing.

1029
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's about it, you know. I mean, it'll

1030
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: get out of the House, but then the Senate like

1031
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: what what again? Another moments to where I think even

1032
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: for people who are you know, looking at politics enough

1033
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, well that's a rap, or even black

1034
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: people looking at like, okay, preparations, like that's that's the

1035
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: cynicism that we live with because I'm yeah, and it's

1036
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: just I think a lot of people are underrating just

1037
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: how exhausting this is really becoming now, like on top

1038
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: of everything else. That's truly it's like I don't know

1039
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: how long we can just keep asking nicely, you know,

1040
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: and then be have just your face spit in and

1041
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: um and still try and maintain your dignity or humanity

1042
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: throughout that and so, uh ship, I don't know what

1043
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, like this is until we can

1044
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: we can solve issues like this of having these Jim

1045
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: Jordan's and this minority rule in the country. It's like,

1046
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: how come there's no one's going to get anything there?

1047
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if there, I mean, I wonder how much effect.

1048
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's not immediate effect definitely, Like with this

1049
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing, is like we're going to have a

1050
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: commission to vote on the possibility of mentioning that it

1051
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: could be yes, maybe, but if anything, you know, sort

1052
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: of like a glacial pace. This in combination with the

1053
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: choven trial and Minneapolis and just this past year with

1054
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: BLM and even you know recently with sort of like

1055
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: standing up for Asian you know, rights and abuses and stuff.

1056
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: This is like the naive kind of like maybe why

1057
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: liberal hope part of me or something. But it's a

1058
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: little bit like Okay, yeah, I mean I guess if

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Speaker 1: if anything, we just kind of like keep your keep

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Speaker 1: doing it because if if if it does get to

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Speaker 1: a point you're like, oh well we try, we'll just

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Speaker 1: like put it on the back burner for another twenty years.

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Speaker 1: The next time it's going to be real bad. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's exhausting. It is like you said, how much,

1065
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: how much? How much compromising of your dignity, of anyone's dignity,

1066
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: and of just being traumatized over and over and over again.

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01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: How much can can really stand? It's yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think you know. Unfortunately, glacial

1069
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: pace is like the theme this thing, and because of that,

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: generations of people come and go without seeing anything change.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that that's the thing. You know,

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: the people of color are technically a minority in this country,

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Speaker 1: so until the tipping point really has to come from

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Speaker 1: other people in this country. Because every we all what

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Speaker 1: the fucking steaks are. People in proximity to us who

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01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: are allies know what the fucking steaks are. But it's

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: this whole other section of the country that has no

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01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: interest in looking at this in any other way except

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Speaker 1: their own denial to maintain comfort, yeah, and to just

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Speaker 1: avoid thinking that anything could be wrong in this country

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Speaker 1: as well, and to just excuse their own ignorance. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just the Republicans either, I mean by the

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Speaker 1: I'm still can't get past Biden in the aftermath of,

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Speaker 1: you know, the first night of demonstrations in Minneapolis, saying

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Speaker 1: that like we're waiting to see on like the initial

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Speaker 1: murder of an unarmed, very young man, but there's no excuse.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that I can like say is automatically

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Speaker 1: wrong is looting. It's just so frustrating. He has to

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Speaker 1: still wait wag of inger at black people. That's what

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Speaker 1: it is that he can't or else he's a race

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Speaker 1: trader and subconsciously he's not willing to be a race

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01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: trader and say that is absolutely wrong. This person needs

1093
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: to go to jail immediately, that what we saw was

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: an absolute hate crime. If you if you saw they

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, he sounds like a black person, because

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Speaker 1: I don't hear white people talking like then if they do,

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: they're like very radical activist people, but not people in

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: real positions of power, because you you stand to be

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're perceived race trader or whatever the funk

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: it is. But he you have to still have that

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Speaker 1: position of like, yeah, that was bad, but also that

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: that that the that that the remember who's in charge again?

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let you know by saying that member

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01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: capitalism is about protecting capital and property, not about people,

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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: so don't don't break any windows. Well, the crazy thing

1106
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: is like he's sort of future trading any any positioning

1107
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: he might have for other you know what I mean.

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01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: It is it's a little bit of a bargaining chip,

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: like well I could I could say this, but then

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01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: I would lose this move I could make later for

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: this other thing. Just the political aspect of sort of like, yeah,

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: I think the political triangulationship is just old now because

1113
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: like the the the people that lose out are the

1114
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: ones that are actually at most risk while you wait

1115
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: to find out what the most efficient position is rather

1116
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: than going full stop on the side of humanity. I

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: just also don't I don't I wish the Democrats would

1118
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of learn, like, Okay, clearly the Republicans have established

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: that there's a precedent maybe based on our sort of

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01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: social media internet world we live in. And I was

1121
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: like the half life of scandal and what you've said,

1122
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: there will be something else to replace it, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. He could have called this, called this out,

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: and so may be like, oh my god, he's you know,

1125
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: he's not he's not one of us anymore. That's gonna

1126
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: get swallowed up and would be and would be elevated

1127
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: if it started the conversation like it just if it

1128
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: jumps started. You need one very white celebrity to do

1129
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: something like that and sparked the outrage, like what's the problem.

1130
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: What did I say? That's wrong? And I'm going to

1131
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: be the one to say, what's the fucking problem with

1132
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: you Democrats? Triangulation like kind of reminds me. It seems

1133
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,959
Speaker 1: like it's of a piece with the what we're talking

1134
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: about on the journalism side of this, like both sides

1135
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: and it and like triangulation. Okay, so the Republican side

1136
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: is this, but the other side, the people who are

1137
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: being murdered on video while screaming I can't breathe are

1138
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: saying this. So we have to like in our favor

1139
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: every time, right, So we have to talk about both sides.

1140
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: And it's just like you know that the documentary like

1141
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: the villain of that is like the Clinton administration, like

1142
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: the fucking and it's all, well, I am a Democrat

1143
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: by name, and so therefore I have to do these

1144
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: Republican things to like confuse people into like both sides

1145
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: into supporting me, and it's just like that should is

1146
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: so far past. I mean it should have never existed.

1147
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: But what has never had anything like I haven't because

1148
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: she was so sort of front and center on so

1149
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: many I feel like anytime it was a statement from

1150
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: the president, it was also a statement from her. But

1151
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything, you know, reaction otherwise from her. Yeah,

1152
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean at that point, I've been emailing her and stuff.

1153
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: It's not rental. I mean I think the thing was

1154
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: just sort of very milk toast, kind of like, you know,

1155
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,479
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. I think what this says, quote

1156
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: folks will keep dying if the country does not address

1157
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: racial injustice. Okay, Vice President Harris, you got any fucking ideas,

1158
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck talked to old man Joe? But again,

1159
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: this is why I like, it's that why it's so

1160
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: disheartening too, because no matter who's in the office, there's

1161
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: just these everyone is still cut from the same cloth

1162
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: of only rocking the boat to certain degrees. No one's

1163
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: no one's going to flip the table, and the table

1164
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: flippers get fucking marginalized real quick. That's just how the system,

1165
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's how it protects itself. It's like, oh,

1166
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: this person is a big table flipping energy to the

1167
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: sides you go, you know that or there Now I

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: feel like they kind of position it's like, oh, that's

1169
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Speaker 1: that's just their brand. That's the bullshit that they're like

1170
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: putting out there, that they're actually this person Like there,

1171
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a real point. I mean, it's always existed politics,

1172
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: but field now like there is a very poisonous sort

1173
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: of acknowledgement of like everybody's got their kind of brand,

1174
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: everybody's got there sort of like persona you know the

1175
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: fact that they come at AOC. It's just like she's

1176
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: just coming. She's just like leaning hard into this like

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: twentysomething kind of liberal, you know, trying to grab her

1178
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: base in that way. And so it doesn't even huh

1179
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: do you think that I do? I mean, is being

1180
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: performative with the progressivism? I don't. But I've heard people say,

1181
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: you know that that there's an aware there's that thing

1182
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: of like that you have to have an awareness of

1183
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: who you're speaking to, but you also have I think

1184
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: there's the cynical version is that that there's always a

1185
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: performative thing like who who knows how genuine they are,

1186
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: And once we start to call that out in each other,

1187
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: then you just then you cannot It's hard to sort

1188
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: of invest any kind of hope and faith in collective efforts,

1189
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If we're mainly with our

1190
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: our leaders and stuff, well, I think that's why we

1191
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: have to ditch the notion that these people are going

1192
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: to do anything yeah yeah, or not put yeah, not

1193
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: put put the full onness of like out they're here

1194
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: to save us. Yeah. And I just even look at

1195
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: like the natural disasters that have occurred, I hear more

1196
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: stories anecdotally about people in the community just helping each

1197
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: other than the fucking then FEMA coming through with something complately,

1198
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like especially like in exists

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01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: when things were completely fucked up, like people were like,

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Speaker 1: fucking we're gonna we're gonna help each other out. Yes,

1201
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: there is government assistance, but there's on some level. Yeah,

1202
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: I think we we realized police aren't going to protect us,

1203
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: and these politicians all they do is just fucking just

1204
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: do with their fucking stand up sets and on the hill,

1205
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: and we're like great, cool. Think you are describing libertarianism

1206
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: at work, Miles, they're they're bigger in the stand up stuff.

1207
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Speaker 1: Every every man for himself. Neighbors will take care of neighbors.

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01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: It's all good certain neighbors. But I take care of

1209
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean. I mean, shut

1210
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: the blinds and act like we're not home, right right,

1211
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Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeit. Guys,

1212
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: please like and review the show. If you like the show,

1213
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: uh means the world to Miles. He needs your validation. Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. By