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Speaker 1: all things in NFL Draft. We're getting closer, Dane, you
Speaker 1: know how many days to the draft? It's like fifty
Speaker 1: five something like that. It's fifty some odd days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that? It's March kind of crazy. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us here with Dame Bruegler from CBS Sports and Dallas
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Speaker 1: be another way that we can get your opinion or
Speaker 1: whether you agree with us, disagree with us, or just
Speaker 1: fire general comment at us. Guys. We did just get
Speaker 1: back from the Combine and we kind of tied some
Speaker 1: things up when it was over were on when we
Speaker 1: were done there on Saturday. But just Dane, I just
Speaker 1: want to maybe get a thought or two about the
Speaker 1: combine we all talk about, for the medical for the
Speaker 1: information or anything else stand out at the combine for you,
Speaker 1: so much information comes at you. Now a week later,
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out all the data. What does
Speaker 1: it mean? How do we apply it? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: do players live up to expectations? Did something fall short
Speaker 1: the medical information you mentioned? That's really you know, we
Speaker 1: mentioned this time after time, but that's the main reason
Speaker 1: for the combine, That's why I was created, and really
Speaker 1: that's the numerous uno reason why NFL teams are so
Speaker 1: focused on the Combine is the medical information and Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: we talked about him unfortunate. It is unfortunate. Miles Jack
Speaker 1: another unfortunate. It is it's uh, you hate it for
Speaker 1: these talented players and Miles Jack. We don't know as
Speaker 1: much as we know about Jalen Smith. Miles Jack is
Speaker 1: a more wait and see type of type of guy,
Speaker 1: type of injury right now. But I feel like we
Speaker 1: I don't think there were any big surprises up the
Speaker 1: combine in terms of players maybe performing better than we thought.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, through all the tape study and
Speaker 1: all the draft shows we've done talked about these players
Speaker 1: right Senior Bowl. You know, I think we had a
Speaker 1: good grasp on all of them. I don't think any
Speaker 1: one truly surprised us. But nonetheless a lot of good
Speaker 1: info here and it definitely need to go back to
Speaker 1: the tape on some of these players. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: also talked about here on the draft show as well,
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. Everybody was making a big deal about
Speaker 1: the lack of say, time speed, right, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like all along apparently the slowest yeah average time
Speaker 1: in eleven years. As we've gone along here, we felt
Speaker 1: like that, you know, we've kind of again talked about
Speaker 1: that there's these receivers, you got to figure them out.
Speaker 1: They're kind of all lumped together and can they break
Speaker 1: away from each other. We feel like there's maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of guys treadwill being on the top, depending on
Speaker 1: who you like. The second guy, you know, Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: guys like that. So you know, it was it was
Speaker 1: not a surprise to me to see that group. I know,
Speaker 1: everybody who was watching on TV's like, oh there, and
Speaker 1: you know Mayak and those guys making a big deal
Speaker 1: about it. But when you watch the tape of these
Speaker 1: guys that there's not that with the exception of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, listen be and then also with full Fuller,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys really don't run. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. Another receiver who really impressed me is Josh
Speaker 1: Doson there you go. I mean, he we liked him
Speaker 1: on tape and it's not like it was a big surprise,
Speaker 1: but he tested much better than I thought he would.
Speaker 1: Uh you know at six two two two ran four
Speaker 1: or five flat forty one in vertical. Uh, I mean
Speaker 1: he really tested well. So I think Josh Doxson only
Speaker 1: helped himself I mean he's he was already you know,
Speaker 1: probably in that top five conversation in terms of wide
Speaker 1: receivers in his class. I think he only solidified it.
Speaker 1: And you know he has a strong case to go
Speaker 1: in that back half around one. Okay, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you this question. Said that back in Indian You
Speaker 1: guys scoffed at me for whatever. Never mean to scoffed
Speaker 1: at you. What about Dodson? We scoffed at you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm Fuller. I'm were high on Fuller. Okay, guys are
Speaker 1: high on Fuller. Yeah, no, No, we understand Tyler. We
Speaker 1: expected to run um, you know, in the four threes
Speaker 1: or yea, because that's his game and that's his game.
Speaker 1: And he's interesting because it's you know, he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be a volume catcher to make an impact on
Speaker 1: a game. I mean, he can have three catches and
Speaker 1: have one hundred and twenty yards and maybe a touchdown
Speaker 1: and you know that's a quality day for him. His
Speaker 1: value in the draft is interesting to try and figure
Speaker 1: out because he isn't going to be a possession guy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a big play, home run threat, sure
Speaker 1: type of guy, and you can absolutely use those types.
Speaker 1: But is he uh? Is he that much better than say,
Speaker 1: like a Terrence Williams. Yeah. I was going to ask
Speaker 1: you that question, and David Hellman, you're our Dallas cowboy expert,
Speaker 1: and he's a terrifying comparison. No, but but do you know,
Speaker 1: does this does this offense and we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys here, does this offense need a guy like a Fuller,
Speaker 1: a guy that can take the top off a defense
Speaker 1: with that ability. Does this team lack speed at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position? And would you consider Fuller at you know,
Speaker 1: thirty four if he was there? It's an interesting question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I think this offense does lack speed.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look around. Dez is not Deaz because
Speaker 1: he's a burner, right, Terrence is fast, but he's not
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Antonio Brown. I know he ran
Speaker 1: a slow forty at the combine. It's ironic that I
Speaker 1: say that, but he's I mean, he's not that guy
Speaker 1: that's going to scare scare the cornerback. And then you
Speaker 1: look around and you don't have that among any of
Speaker 1: your other guys. Certainly not Darren McFadden, Certainly not Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lucky Whitehead, but we have not seen him utilized
Speaker 1: in that way. And then you factor in the part
Speaker 1: where Terrence Williams is entering a contract year, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about signing him to any type
Speaker 1: of big money deal after that. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: wide receivers in need for this team. Thirty four is
Speaker 1: where you kind of scare me a little bit. I
Speaker 1: just think there's so I scared you, h. I think
Speaker 1: there's needs that are bigger and that. And you know,
Speaker 1: people have been tweeting me for the last week or
Speaker 1: so that I was so high on Laquon Treadwell where
Speaker 1: you were when we started this. For the record, I
Speaker 1: still am. He's still probably my favorite just in terms
Speaker 1: of he's my favorite player in this draft, maybe in
Speaker 1: terms of guys to watch and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: you look around at what this team needs and and
Speaker 1: what I think they need to solidify going forward. I
Speaker 1: can't convince myself that wide receiver is a big enough
Speaker 1: need at thirty four, let alone four, which is why
Speaker 1: I've kind of cooled on Treadwell. Picture paint a picture
Speaker 1: for will Fuller for the for the fans out there,
Speaker 1: he's so outstanding at finding the ball in flight. He
Speaker 1: has that second burst, that secondary burst down field that
Speaker 1: corners a lot of these corners can't match, and so
Speaker 1: he's able to create that separation down the field. And
Speaker 1: while he is a little more body catcher than you want,
Speaker 1: he his tiny hands, he is sable. He tracks the
Speaker 1: ball really well, and so u he has he has
Speaker 1: terrific value. I think he's probably gonna end up somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top thirty five picks. So I think it
Speaker 1: is possible he's there at thirty. Yes, But and we
Speaker 1: we've talked about it with these wide receivers, and you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest reason not to take a Laquon Treadwell top
Speaker 1: ten is because of these this clump of receivers in
Speaker 1: the second round. You know that Josh, you know you
Speaker 1: could find a Josh Docks and a Will Fuller. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a host of these guys in the second round
Speaker 1: that can come in and contribute. And not that they're
Speaker 1: better than Lakwan Treadwell. Treadwell is the best in this class,
Speaker 1: but there's not a huge drop off. You can go
Speaker 1: to another position top ten, find your receiver second round.
Speaker 1: That's same thing with defensive tackle. This year, I think
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and wide receiver. That sweet spot is going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, on the twenty five to forty
Speaker 1: five range. That's when you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: you know, find that guy. And that's right where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are, right in the middle. So I don't you know,
Speaker 1: they don't need to take a wide receiver at four.
Speaker 1: They can get that guy in the second round if
Speaker 1: that's a direction they want to go. I'll go back
Speaker 1: to my earlier point, which is, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can never predict these things. It's the same argument we
Speaker 1: have with quarterbacks every week, every day. Really, if Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant is healthy, Terrence Williams is more than good enough
Speaker 1: to be the number two options on this team. It's
Speaker 1: you know, we found out last year that he's not
Speaker 1: going to be your number one guy. He's not reliable.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been reliable over his entire career. Here, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean statistics back that up. But if you're assuming
Speaker 1: Dez is gonna play thirteen or more games, I think
Speaker 1: Terence is totally fine. And like you said, he's entering
Speaker 1: a contract year, absolutely, so you do have to prepare
Speaker 1: for and you do you do? And that's I'm actually
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list right now. Go to Dane's boy,
Speaker 1: like I know he loves him. If they wanted to
Speaker 1: draft Pharaoh Cooper sure in the third round or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he falls to the force, but maybe
Speaker 1: he does. I'm way more willing to take a shot.
Speaker 1: And I just looked this up to Martavis Bryant, who
Speaker 1: I love of, who has excelled as the guy behind
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh. He's pick one eight team sure,
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously you have to hit on these picks.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a give. It's not a give.
Speaker 1: That discussion was about the speed, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I mean, Terry Williams, you would
Speaker 1: only you would look at you would look at Fuller
Speaker 1: at thirty four because of the speed, because you know,
Speaker 1: as you go through all the players you named or
Speaker 1: and their own writer out or nice players. But I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of how do you make this team
Speaker 1: better with speed? And it's really that's what just with
Speaker 1: will Fuller, I don't care, I mean don't speed is
Speaker 1: great and Fuller as a burner, I don't care that
Speaker 1: much about just one off nine routes speed like Devin
Speaker 1: Smith last year. Uh it's his name, right, the guy
Speaker 1: that Jeff Uman Smith. I just I just want a
Speaker 1: guy who's consistently when the defense is the bracketing days,
Speaker 1: he has to consistently be able to win. That's all
Speaker 1: I want. I don't care. I mean if he's a burner, right,
Speaker 1: if you don't agree with what we're saying or what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to ask him about the speed. This is
Speaker 1: something Nick Eatman has had, you know, he brings it up.
Speaker 1: He's brought it up every year that I've worked here,
Speaker 1: is that they haven't had that guy who can just
Speaker 1: completely take the top off a defense. But I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that you need it. I just need a guy
Speaker 1: who can win his one on one matchups when Dez
Speaker 1: is busy, and I think a value of having a
Speaker 1: receiver that can take a top off a defense it
Speaker 1: really stretch out that defense is because it's not most cases,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be one on one coverage. You know,
Speaker 1: all defenses aren't going to just allow the corner to
Speaker 1: play one on one with a threat like Will Fuller.
Speaker 1: They're going to draw a safety towards that side of
Speaker 1: the field and helps. And that's what I'm saying with
Speaker 1: these a legit deep threat. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of speedy guys, but not all of them are legit
Speaker 1: deep threats like will Fuller. Is right, Adding a player
Speaker 1: like Will Fuller will help stretch out the defense open
Speaker 1: things up, and so I think just that's just a
Speaker 1: threat of him going deep could really help the offense.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to suggest that I don't like
Speaker 1: will Fuller. I like them, you do, um. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: and you know, thinking back to twenty fourteen when this
Speaker 1: offense was so successful, the big play is I don't
Speaker 1: really know that they're I mean, obviously big plays are great,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know that that's their blueprint anyway.
Speaker 1: They want to control the ball, they want to control
Speaker 1: the clock. Is Will Fuller top five wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class for you? Yeah? He is? Okay, he is,
Speaker 1: and I I you know what, and I y'all's rank.
Speaker 1: I know you had Coleman too, Yeah right, yeah, Lakwan
Speaker 1: tried well and Corey colemaner still one two for me,
Speaker 1: and you have docks in two. Yeah, I have docks
Speaker 1: in there. I have Michael Thomas in there too as well,
Speaker 1: and then Lawler and Fuller were my guys. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm right there, Treadwell, Coleman, and I want
Speaker 1: two Josh Dockson is my number three, Thomas, my number
Speaker 1: four Cooper to my number five Fuller numbers. So there's
Speaker 1: people that will probably take docs and over over Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas in Ohio State. Yeah, and it's flavor, you know.
Speaker 1: I think they're closely rated. Yeah, I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: what y'all were talking. I mean, this whole clump right here.
Speaker 1: I speaking of help himself, Sterling Shepard helped himself. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's helped himself since the end of the season
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl which here there and at the combine.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, and he can help you in the slot.
Speaker 1: I think he can play on the outside. Is he
Speaker 1: best in the slot? Probably with a shorter area quickness,
Speaker 1: and I mean, just good luck try a slot or
Speaker 1: a nickel corner trying to cover him in the slot.
Speaker 1: But I think he can also play on the outside,
Speaker 1: which you make of all these the cornerbacks in the workout,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a position a lot of people have
Speaker 1: focused on it. It depends on you know, Hargraves measured
Speaker 1: taller than what we thought thought he was a five
Speaker 1: nine guy. I think he was five ten four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and does it I mean, does it? Does it change
Speaker 1: you watching the film? Of course, he feel like that
Speaker 1: he plays a little small at times. He does. He
Speaker 1: came in really honestly, size wise and speedwise. He came
Speaker 1: in what I thought I thought right around five ten
Speaker 1: and a half, right around four to five, and he
Speaker 1: was just right around those those times. So William Jackson
Speaker 1: to me, is that that's why I was going to
Speaker 1: go to Yeah, he's he really kind of opened some
Speaker 1: eyes a little bit more. Yeah, And it's not that
Speaker 1: he came out of nowhere. He was viewed as a
Speaker 1: solid second round pick, maybe even an early second round pick,
Speaker 1: especially for the teams that value size at that position.
Speaker 1: But for him to go out and run a four
Speaker 1: three seven is outstanding. Yeah, that long striding speed, he's
Speaker 1: so good at playing the ball with his back to
Speaker 1: the ball. He has that innate ability, which is you
Speaker 1: need that in the NFL to play cornerback. So William
Speaker 1: Jackson definitely helped himself. I think he's has a good chance,
Speaker 1: a good argument to go late first round. Okay here,
Speaker 1: especially when you look at the teams that are picking
Speaker 1: back there that prefer those longer corners seattles, and Green
Speaker 1: Bay's Kansas City Pittsburgh would be a good spot. So
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up somewhere in that back
Speaker 1: half of round. A lot of mock drafts have Eli
Speaker 1: Apple from Ohio State going to Pittsburgh. Though, is this
Speaker 1: the well, could we see a flip you're talking about guys,
Speaker 1: maybe that Jackson instead of Apple. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think Apple helped himself, so I don't think he
Speaker 1: might not be there for the Steelers with that pick.
Speaker 1: So you see him going up, you see him being
Speaker 1: up Apple. So he's only a red shirt sophomore. He's
Speaker 1: so young, he still has so much he has to learn.
Speaker 1: But you just look at the traits and he's a future.
Speaker 1: Teams think he's a future number one corner in this league.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a good chances he's off
Speaker 1: the board somewhere in the top twenty five picks. I mean,
Speaker 1: the traits are impressive, but i've you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: watched anywhere near as much as y'all. But I have
Speaker 1: watched tape on Eli Apple and I didn't come away
Speaker 1: completely blown away by any means, which the fact that
Speaker 1: he's a red shirt sophomore helps explain that a lot.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I would be fascinated to see
Speaker 1: what the narrative was on Jackson. If he had participated
Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl. He was one of those late scratches,
Speaker 1: you know. If he'd gone out there and had a
Speaker 1: dominant week of practices, maybe we'd be talking about him
Speaker 1: in the mid first round. Six oh one two two
Speaker 1: oh nine four three eight. Who does just read? Oh god,
Speaker 1: if you're reading William Jackson. But six oh one two
Speaker 1: two o nine four three eight was his speed hand
Speaker 1: timed talking about corner? Yeah? Who already talking about Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: I should have guessed. I was gonna say, I was
Speaker 1: thinking he's a safety for me, So I wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: of him. I think a lot of teams. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just safety, Brian, No, he's he's a safety to us,
Speaker 1: A lot of safety in my world. Okay, it's a
Speaker 1: safety in your world. What if these guys here looking
Speaker 1: him as a corner Oh, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams are. Yeah, because when you're when you're on that
Speaker 1: size and speed, you know, you can play on the outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep you out there. There's more value there.
Speaker 1: So I get it. I understand it. But if the long,
Speaker 1: if the long, rumored, not substantiated release of Brandon Carr
Speaker 1: comes to pass, you might need him to play corner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think I think this team right here is
Speaker 1: looking ahead him at corner. I think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of teams And you just said the words. You
Speaker 1: just said the words Seattle. You know, these teams had
Speaker 1: play that that scheme Seattle, Atlanta. He wants for Seattle.
Speaker 1: So no, but I'm just saying that the teams, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know San Diegan, san Diego, san Diego, if san Diego,
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see what san Diego sees
Speaker 1: him ass Yeah, if they you know, because they're in
Speaker 1: a situation with with Wettell being gone, do they seem
Speaker 1: as the safety you could pare them with Verret Well,
Speaker 1: and that's I think San Diego and Dallas are both
Speaker 1: in similar situations where without a doubt they they're probably
Speaker 1: going defense. Yes, could take which is which what helps
Speaker 1: the defense more the pass rush, yeah, or the back
Speaker 1: at the back end and in the secondary. You know
Speaker 1: what's going to help that defense more. And so I
Speaker 1: think that they're both teams that I could see going
Speaker 1: either way. Whether that's a Bosa or a Buckner right
Speaker 1: or a Ramsey and a help in the second or
Speaker 1: you can make a strong case for either. See that's
Speaker 1: why I think their defensive board in San Diego will
Speaker 1: be very similar to what this defensive board is here.
Speaker 1: They're still in a three four right, Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think Buckner probably but they but
Speaker 1: but but Buckner. They mentioned Buckner's he when we had
Speaker 1: a chance, it's to interview him. Four three teams are
Speaker 1: looking at him playing inside. You guys kept the Buckner
Speaker 1: hype alive at the combine. I tried to squash it,
Speaker 1: and you guys know, I no, initially, I I when
Speaker 1: when when mel Kiper put him in the mock draft
Speaker 1: the Dallas and made I had a scout come up
Speaker 1: to me and say, when did we start taking three
Speaker 1: four defensive ins here? Said that on like three draft
Speaker 1: shows in our own now. Yeah, but and that's what
Speaker 1: that's what he does best. You know, and that's so
Speaker 1: I get it. But he can also play I didn't
Speaker 1: you play outside? Yeah? And if in a fourth three
Speaker 1: I can play inside, you can play the one. You
Speaker 1: can do a lot of things for you. I think
Speaker 1: diversatility obviously is a high selling points. Watching Garnett block
Speaker 1: him last night at Stamford a little bit playing a
Speaker 1: good battle. That was a good battle well for Garnett.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was surprised. Kind of a big thick guy,
Speaker 1: you know, he handled the quickness pretty well. Okay, uh
Speaker 1: any other cornerbacks so that we needed to visit about
Speaker 1: the safeties. Any safeties though, jump out at you. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know. As unfortunate Vaughan Bell couldn't run. His interview
Speaker 1: was very weird. He admitted he was being he was
Speaker 1: lazy a lot of times. Yeah, that was strange. Was strange.
Speaker 1: And then he didn't run because of a hammy. So
Speaker 1: hopefully he's able to run out of House States pro day.
Speaker 1: Miles Killerbrew didn't run as well as a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought. Um, and that was kind of what you know.
Speaker 1: The people that like Momas was another one. Thompson excuse
Speaker 1: me was another one, right, Yeah, he had an illness too,
Speaker 1: so hopefully that explains it. But Miles Killerber, if you
Speaker 1: don't like what you see on tape, then you're kind
Speaker 1: of all just wait till the combine. He's gonna test
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah I thought he would, but he didn't
Speaker 1: test as well as I thought. Um, but he still
Speaker 1: weighed in impressively. TJ. Green from Clemson his safety, the
Speaker 1: other guy, not Jr. On curse. TJ. Greene, former wide receiver,
Speaker 1: moved to safety. He ran in the four threes. That's
Speaker 1: only going to help him for teams looking for a
Speaker 1: developmental safety who I thought was a Day three pick.
Speaker 1: But after that speed, teams are gonna be taking them
Speaker 1: more of a look at him as a top one
Speaker 1: hundred guy. How about Powell from Ohio State six h
Speaker 1: two six two eleven. He ran He ran fourth. If
Speaker 1: you look at the speed, if you split it the
Speaker 1: way I've taught all my life, he is roughly like
Speaker 1: a four four eight type of a guy. Ran better
Speaker 1: than a lot of corners. Um. And we've talked about him.
Speaker 1: His tape is one of the most boring tapes. It's
Speaker 1: terrible to watch. It's just it's there's nothing, there's no action,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of he's there. He's not an enforcer,
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily that rangy guy that plays on both sidelines,
Speaker 1: but he's still a valuable piece of that defense. And
Speaker 1: with these testing numbers that suggests that he might be
Speaker 1: a better pro than college flower. Okay, when we were
Speaker 1: going to take our first break. When we get back,
Speaker 1: we'll do a little twitter on the twenty, but I
Speaker 1: want to real quick get into well, maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: it after twenty the twenty. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the running back situations. We have some questions about it.
Speaker 1: We can use that. You want to talk about it before,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it after after the break,
Speaker 1: Well you don't want to know. We're gonnat twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty and hopefully get some running back questions there
Speaker 1: because I want to get in Some interesting stuff has
Speaker 1: come out Lewis Riddick. We've all kind of talked about
Speaker 1: where Zeke fits in all this. I want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that. So we'll be right back with
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Speaker 1: turn it over to you, and let's let's begin. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go rap fire. Got it. Michael wants to know
Speaker 1: how does this year's top ten stack up to last
Speaker 1: year's for you? I mean, if if the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: the fourth pick last year, well, Maury Cooper was the
Speaker 1: first or the fourth pick last year? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you look at last year's draft. I think the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were better with Winston Mariotte at the top. You look
Speaker 1: at the wide receivers with Cooper and White, um, two
Speaker 1: really good talents there, and then you had Girly at
Speaker 1: number ten. So in a lot of ways it's similar.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a Zeke this year and unfortunate
Speaker 1: when you get to see him because of ACL but
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come back strong. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I I think there are some comparisons. I think you
Speaker 1: can you see impact guys last year. I think you
Speaker 1: see impact guys this year, not necessarily the generational talents,
Speaker 1: but guys that can potentially make Pro Bowls. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the interesting pick would have been girly if Fouler,
Speaker 1: I know he went to at three, but you know
Speaker 1: there were some guys there, the two quarterbacks of course,
Speaker 1: if one would have the slit Tea and Cooper though
Speaker 1: the wide receiver was outstanding. So yeah, I like a
Speaker 1: I I think I would. I would align more with
Speaker 1: the talent last year than the talent this year. As
Speaker 1: far as having a top five pick, I have this
Speaker 1: weird feeling like this is going to be remembered as
Speaker 1: kind of a weak draft, which is unfortunate for You're
Speaker 1: gonna make it what it is. Well, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and I hate when I hate when scouts
Speaker 1: say that, because you got to go out and find players.
Speaker 1: They're they're a Pro Bowl player, Absolutely find them. So
Speaker 1: you just do, Bobby, And I've asked you this before, Brian,
Speaker 1: Bobby wants to know where you think. And you know,
Speaker 1: usually you're talking fourteen to twenty first round grades eighteen.
Speaker 1: Where do you think the first here talent stops in
Speaker 1: this draft? Well? I have eighteen first round. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm at right now. So that's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the people ask me about elite. I never used the
Speaker 1: word like elite. You know, and I mean I try
Speaker 1: to use where I used the word to describe the
Speaker 1: ability that that Greg Hardy, but in a draft I
Speaker 1: try not to so much. But I have eighteen first
Speaker 1: round names, Stain, I don't know how many you have,
Speaker 1: is well. And I just released my second top fifty
Speaker 1: board today and to me, the top five guys are
Speaker 1: my top tier, right, and that's tonsil at one jacket two,
Speaker 1: so you can break it down that way. Yeah, three,
Speaker 1: I have Ramsey Bosos my number four, and then Zeke
Speaker 1: number five. I think those five guys are just a
Speaker 1: little bit better than the rest. And then my second
Speaker 1: tier I've got guys like Treadwell, Buckner, Sheldon Rankins, the
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Golf and Wentz, Ronnie Stanley, Darren Lee. I
Speaker 1: think that second tier is more like a dozen guys,
Speaker 1: fifteen guys. But that top tier for me, it just
Speaker 1: does top five. Yeah, that's that's that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me even more recent to stand in
Speaker 1: there and make a pick, right exactly. I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, training back, when you get into the second tier,
Speaker 1: you listed a bunch of nice players. Sure, no doubt
Speaker 1: you know, potential starters, potential starters, guys that could have
Speaker 1: really nice careers. But you know, when you start talking
Speaker 1: about Zeke, you start talking about Ramsey and Tonsil and
Speaker 1: guys like that. You know, Bosa. Did you say Bosa
Speaker 1: was one? Yeah? See, So that's for you know, for
Speaker 1: you that it's worth standing in there and making a pick.
Speaker 1: And one thing about trading back. I am not moving
Speaker 1: back unless there's another first round pick involved. And not
Speaker 1: just I mean you're moving back for another first round pick,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about a future first round pick, especially
Speaker 1: if well, unless I'm moving like three or four spots.
Speaker 1: But say like the Rams, you know, I get that
Speaker 1: question a lot on Twitter moving back to fifteen plus
Speaker 1: their two second rounders. I'm to move back ten plus spots.
Speaker 1: I need at least a future first rounder to do
Speaker 1: that to get out of the top five this year.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's you know what, that's that's an
Speaker 1: interesting thought. I just don't think that you can hold
Speaker 1: somebody up depending on mean, how bad, how bad they're.
Speaker 1: They're honestly overpaying with the two ones. I mean, see
Speaker 1: me with the with the two two. Yeah, But when
Speaker 1: you're in a position like that, you hold sure, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do. You hold the cards. You're a right and
Speaker 1: I'm not holding my breath that it's going to happen. Right,
Speaker 1: But if that's the only way I'm moving out, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna Two twos are nice, but give me a
Speaker 1: future first rounder in order to do that? What if?
Speaker 1: So what if I said that they would give you
Speaker 1: one of their seconds and next year's first would you
Speaker 1: take that over two seconds in this year's draft? Oh? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Rams. So I don't
Speaker 1: expect to be a playoff team. That's interesting because that
Speaker 1: you would say, okay, we'll take take well, we'll take
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about it you I mean, sorry, Rams,
Speaker 1: but maybe first half of the next year's first round,
Speaker 1: first sixteen picks, you know, or first twelve if or
Speaker 1: first twenty if they don't make the playoffs. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: so you're talking about having pick fourteen and then turn
Speaker 1: around in fifteen years give me fifteen, pick fifteen, your
Speaker 1: own thirty four forty three likely, and then next year's one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which could be high? Do that? Do that a heartbeat? Yeah? Hope?
Speaker 1: Which is there or another impact guy? So you would
Speaker 1: you would? That would be an interesting way of looking
Speaker 1: at it. I think people always think about, give me
Speaker 1: the picks right now, let me do some damage in
Speaker 1: this trap. But this guy has traded back and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, trading and picked up a one from that.
Speaker 1: We've seen desperate teams move up and you know, give
Speaker 1: away picks just because they they want to win right away.
Speaker 1: They need to make an impact. And the Rams they
Speaker 1: want a quarterback and never say I mean yeah more
Speaker 1: so than their guy has to be there to order
Speaker 1: to make that work. They need a quarterback. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, So could they sit there with
Speaker 1: what you know right now? You just put two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the middle of this draft. That's why not hold
Speaker 1: my breath, you know. But if they get spooked that,
Speaker 1: you know, a team like the Eagles are going to
Speaker 1: move up, possibly into that top seven. The Niners they're
Speaker 1: at seven, possibly taking a quarterback. You know, say Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz comes off the board. Jared Goff is the next
Speaker 1: guy that these teams want. They get spooked about him
Speaker 1: not lasting very long. They look for a trade partner.
Speaker 1: You never know, it could be four. I bet it
Speaker 1: would be the Cowboys that would spook them. Let's say
Speaker 1: wins goes to the Cowboys draft golf at four, then
Speaker 1: you're talking about really only having one of those big
Speaker 1: three talents left and he's got to fall ten more spots.
Speaker 1: But obviously the Cowboys would have their guy has to
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, and maybe this is a deal that
Speaker 1: you work out beforehand. This is a decent segue from Daniel,
Speaker 1: And it's gonna come down to preference. Really there's no
Speaker 1: universal answer, But is there an order of the top
Speaker 1: three picks that would really make you want to trade back? Like,
Speaker 1: is there a way that you don't have a guy
Speaker 1: there that you want or is that virtually impossible at four?
Speaker 1: Let's I mean, let's paid to scenario where this would
Speaker 1: be a perfect example of like where Tounsil falls to
Speaker 1: four and you really don't want to do that. I don't,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Tonsil will be if Dallas cowboy,
Speaker 1: if he's there at for um, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you think think about this, So I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of it, because who would tend to see take other
Speaker 1: than Tonsil, Ramsey, Ramsey. I think, say they go tackle
Speaker 1: in free agency, I Ramseys, Okay, Sages Ramsey, and then
Speaker 1: it goes wins and then I think it would have
Speaker 1: to be. The thing is I think now San Diego
Speaker 1: takes I don't know how they wouldn't pass on Tonsil
Speaker 1: unless they have some bad medical stuff or you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: the shoulder, right. I thinkin of that started to be
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit. Bosa would have to go
Speaker 1: in the top three to really force the Cowboys into
Speaker 1: wanting to do something like that. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he will go top three. That's just my Maybe somebody
Speaker 1: want to come up for Tunsil. That might be that
Speaker 1: that might that might be more of an avenue than
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks. I think there's a bigger gap
Speaker 1: between Tunsil and Stanley than people There's there's a real
Speaker 1: big gap. I mean people talk about him being similar.
Speaker 1: I don't think Conklin's the second best tackle on this draft.
Speaker 1: There you go, but Baltimore picks six. They could probably
Speaker 1: use the left tackle, right, Yeah, they just let their
Speaker 1: guy go. Well night have Eugene Monroe that they signed,
Speaker 1: but he can't stay healthy. They have to think about,
Speaker 1: you know, the future. Teams always will they always look
Speaker 1: at these offensive tackles that would I could jack Conklin's
Speaker 1: the second best tackle on this draft, that would be
Speaker 1: I love it. Tounsil falling to four would be like, well,
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams falling to five or six whatever he fell
Speaker 1: to last exact, and that's what we talk about. Tunsil's
Speaker 1: not gonna fall. Leonard Williams fell to six last year.
Speaker 1: I thought, by far, or easily, the best player in
Speaker 1: the draft last year. Yeah, it just you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: that happens. And you look at the Redskins picking number
Speaker 1: five last year, they were I think they made their
Speaker 1: minds up. They were taking Brandon Shuff. Yeah, so Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams fell to them, but they were like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we were taking the offensive lineman. That's who we've been
Speaker 1: planning on taking guard. I have it on good authority
Speaker 1: that that pick would have been Lyle Collins in a
Speaker 1: different universe, m if in fact, if in fact he
Speaker 1: hadn't had any red flags. Yeah, isn't that fascinating? It is? Anyway,
Speaker 1: um Andre has a real draft nerd question for y'all.
Speaker 1: He wants to know if Malik Collins is a one
Speaker 1: or three tech, and he's a three penetrating three, that's
Speaker 1: his best. He's He's got a wrestling background, very quick
Speaker 1: off the ball. I love the way you could attack gaps,
Speaker 1: getting and get into the backfield and do some damage.
Speaker 1: He's got him picked. He's he's a three tech project
Speaker 1: him for me a third rounder. I got him in
Speaker 1: the third. Yeah, I think that's Uh, these defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class once that initial you know the fifteen, the fifty,
Speaker 1: you know all those defense tackles are gonna come off
Speaker 1: the board. Then you have that that next tier where
Speaker 1: in the third round guys like Malik Jackson or MILIEK
Speaker 1: Collins and uh Hashan Hassan Ridgeway, these these Washington some
Speaker 1: good Constellation prizes. If you don't get that defensive tackle early,
Speaker 1: there's some still some good defensive talent. Uh, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be in the third round quickly. Did can DJ hurt
Speaker 1: himself or help himself? Yeah? That hurt bizarre like people
Speaker 1: I gotta I was looking at him at thirty four.
Speaker 1: I got a question about that. We talked about it
Speaker 1: at the combine. I I'm starting to think that's not
Speaker 1: even like far fetched, Like I think he'll I think
Speaker 1: he'll be there, He'll be in that range. I have
Speaker 1: him going to Denver right now at thirty one. That's
Speaker 1: right there. So yeah, I think he's gonna be right
Speaker 1: there in that conversations. The interview process is really what's
Speaker 1: what it's all about for him. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: seems so strange the way that all he rows people
Speaker 1: the wrong way. He's got the off field stuff, the
Speaker 1: way he I mean, the whole hell he threw tons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that whole thing. Teams already knew that. It's not
Speaker 1: like he outed tonsl to teams. Teams knew what was
Speaker 1: going on in that room. So that's not a big thing.
Speaker 1: But just that he would be so open about that
Speaker 1: information to the media. You're just you're not thinking, is no?
Speaker 1: And that's that's exactly he's not thinking. So what else
Speaker 1: when you give him money, millions of dollars and he's
Speaker 1: going to be out away from the facility, is he
Speaker 1: going to be thinking? Can you trust him? And at
Speaker 1: some point, just like Randy Gregory, he's worth it. You know,
Speaker 1: he's worth the risk. You know you're going to roll
Speaker 1: the dice on these guys. For Kimdici, where is that
Speaker 1: point where he's worth it? Is it thirty four? Is
Speaker 1: it maybe further than that? Like Gregory was, It's a
Speaker 1: fascinating case. He's a three technique though it sounds like
Speaker 1: to me that this team has invested a lot of
Speaker 1: money and a guy playing three technique give me one.
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because we get so much
Speaker 1: Baylor talk around here, but give me Billings. That's Billings
Speaker 1: would be very interesting here. I feel I think that
Speaker 1: would be phenomenal. He would you would rather somebody other
Speaker 1: than Billings, wouldn't you know? I like Billings? But I
Speaker 1: do think, yeah, there are better defensive tackles in this class.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have, uh what billions of my number
Speaker 1: five defensive tackle? Okay, Sheldon Rankins to me, is the
Speaker 1: top guy? Give me? Is he your number one? Is
Speaker 1: he your first? One technique? No? I like him better
Speaker 1: than three? Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Billings. Billings Now, I like drawn read the top
Speaker 1: one technique. So if read, if Reid was, if if
Speaker 1: it came down to read or Billings at thirty four,
Speaker 1: I'm taking read. It's taking read, and then I think
Speaker 1: there's an interesting conversation between Vernon Butler and Andrew Billings.
Speaker 1: But who you would like better? There? I think? I mean,
Speaker 1: I do like Vernon Butler, Dan Turner will tell you
Speaker 1: he's a big butler fan. I said Billings just the head.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I said this last year, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it like it's it's just dumb if they don't
Speaker 1: come out of these first four or so picks without
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle to add well, especially what you've seen
Speaker 1: with Nick had Neighbor. It was a bridge one year.
Speaker 1: Now it's been a two year. I like Nick Haden
Speaker 1: and I don't care. I don't mind if they bring
Speaker 1: him back. But like, this draft is deep. You can
Speaker 1: probably get a pretty damn good tackle at sixty seven,
Speaker 1: let alone third. No, I don't disagree with you, but
Speaker 1: I don't trust that they're gonna be One more question, okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dan says, and this is gonna be something that free
Speaker 1: agency is gonna is gonna have a say in. But
Speaker 1: Dallas needs a tight end. Okay, I don't think that's surprising. No,
Speaker 1: he wants to know about Vanette or just in general,
Speaker 1: your thoughts at where and who this team could look
Speaker 1: at tight end? Very ordinary tight end class. It's very blah.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get too excited about these guys. But
Speaker 1: with that said, there is talent um, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't We're not gonna have a first round tight end
Speaker 1: this year. I don't believe Hunter Henry get to the
Speaker 1: first round. I just I can't see it. But Nick
Speaker 1: Vanette in the third round, fourth round? What about? What
Speaker 1: about your guy Higbee? I like him, I just I
Speaker 1: think the medicals are going to kill him. I think
Speaker 1: he's he's a big athletic kid who can catch the
Speaker 1: ball and stretch a scene. But I don't think he did.
Speaker 1: The medicals were. What's the scary thing there? The Hooper
Speaker 1: kid ran really really well from Stanford. He did. He
Speaker 1: kind of a vanilla players tell I tested a lot
Speaker 1: better than his tape. Sure you know on tape he
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't value at all. He's solid. I mean he's
Speaker 1: a fourth round guy to me. Yeah, I like the
Speaker 1: Iowa player Krieger Kobel right this year. And then if
Speaker 1: you're looking for a blocker, you know he's not going
Speaker 1: to give you as much in the in the passing game,
Speaker 1: but as a blocker, he's someone that brings value. David
Speaker 1: Morgan at US Texas and Antonio right in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's what's interesting about these to me about these tight ends,
Speaker 1: and you said, there's if you look at and I'm
Speaker 1: not one of the big the metrics guy, I'm not
Speaker 1: really big. I'm trying to learn about that because I'm
Speaker 1: fascinating because a lot of people ask questions, but they
Speaker 1: will tell you the earlier in the draft you drafted
Speaker 1: tight end, the better chance you have for success. Even
Speaker 1: though here the Cowboys don't tell that to the Cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys took one at two, but it first rounds,
Speaker 1: second round tight ends tend to have more success or
Speaker 1: more hit factor as opposed to if you get them
Speaker 1: in the later rounds, like when they drafted Jeff Swain.
Speaker 1: That that that they say that the metrics people tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go for tight end, go early better
Speaker 1: than late. So that's the kind of the dynamic that
Speaker 1: they're into. Okay, we're gonna take our final break, and
Speaker 1: when we get back, I want to get into the
Speaker 1: running back question about Zeke and the possibility of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys taking him or anybody else for that matter.
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Speaker 1: Ken Garrison, Executive Producer. Want to get into a lot
Speaker 1: of talk this week about the possibility of teams looking
Speaker 1: at looking at Ezekiel Elliott and especially this football team.
Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick came out and put the coal to the
Speaker 1: fire a little bit about the possibilities a little bit right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Lewis is a you know, former personnel guys talking
Speaker 1: about Eagles. He's lived this, uh you know, he's had
Speaker 1: his ups and down since we've all had in this league.
Speaker 1: But an interesting thought about when people sit down and
Speaker 1: watch the tape of Ezekiel Elliott and talk to him
Speaker 1: and and why he should be considered a top five
Speaker 1: player on a lot of people's sports, but also consideration
Speaker 1: to be select in the top five, And I wanted
Speaker 1: to know your guy's thoughts on that. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like this is breaking, is we you know,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Zeke right since we started how
Speaker 1: how specially is and what I think it is is
Speaker 1: a lot of these top ten guys, top twelve to
Speaker 1: fifteen guys. As teams dive in more and more and
Speaker 1: coaches get involved, they're starting to see more warts and
Speaker 1: so it's not that Zeke is necessarily rising as it is.
Speaker 1: You know, teams are becoming more comfortable drafting running back
Speaker 1: that high because he is such a safe pick in
Speaker 1: terms of the talent. I mean, his weaknesses they're you're nitpicking.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just doesn't have those glaring weaknesses, those
Speaker 1: negatives to his game that would preclude you. Besides the
Speaker 1: fact that he just plays running back, and this factor
Speaker 1: in this isn't a great running back class, factor in
Speaker 1: that this top ten doesn't have the you know, generational talents.
Speaker 1: There's some good talent in his top ten, but not
Speaker 1: the elite guys. And it's easy to see why a
Speaker 1: team the top ten is going to consider Zeke Elliott
Speaker 1: and I do think he goes somewhere top twelve. I
Speaker 1: don't know where it's. I think it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: last year with the Rams, a team that you know,
Speaker 1: the Rams never came up last year and we talked
Speaker 1: about Todd Gurley, you know, And I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be like that this year. Zeke's going to go
Speaker 1: to a team that maybe doesn't have that glaring hole
Speaker 1: at running back, but at some point he's just too
Speaker 1: good to pass up. You Okay with the say having
Speaker 1: Zeke for five years and then moving on to another guy,
Speaker 1: you know that at that premium of a pick. When
Speaker 1: we started this, I you know, I love you well,
Speaker 1: I loved I loved Zeke from the beginning. He's right
Speaker 1: up there with Well. I mean, I'm biased toward the
Speaker 1: explosive offensive playmakers. But you know, I used to you know,
Speaker 1: trade back to nine, ten, eleven and then take him
Speaker 1: because that sounds more appealing. And now again, for the
Speaker 1: most part, I'm not blown away by the guys at
Speaker 1: the top of this draft. I mean, in general terms,
Speaker 1: I think you look at it. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: just looked this up. Amari Cooper was the fourth pick
Speaker 1: last year. He's on a four year deal worth twenty
Speaker 1: two million. So you're talking about paying Zeke five point
Speaker 1: five mill, which is more than you probably want to
Speaker 1: pay a running back, But isn't that much in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. You got him under team control
Speaker 1: for five years. And yeah, Stephen Jones talked about this
Speaker 1: at the combine too. When you're picking this high in
Speaker 1: the draft, you want to eight to ten year cornerstone
Speaker 1: type of player. Running back is a little different, which
Speaker 1: he even said, but like, who cares. If you've got
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott for five years guaranteeing you, you know, barring
Speaker 1: no injuries or freak circumstances, pro Bowl type production the
Speaker 1: next five years, why isn't that worth a top five pick? Well,
Speaker 1: I think we both, all three of us agree He's
Speaker 1: one of the top five players in this draft, no doubt.
Speaker 1: But the better question right now is does would this
Speaker 1: team take him at four? And I mean, knowing what
Speaker 1: they how they viewed the running back position, how it's
Speaker 1: gone the past few years, all the picks and money
Speaker 1: they've invested in the offensive line, would they take a
Speaker 1: running back at four. I have my doubts that they would.
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that they would even need to
Speaker 1: be able to run the football. I mean, that's true,
Speaker 1: but you know, you talk about Darren McFadden proving what
Speaker 1: this line is capable of. You talk about the Dixons
Speaker 1: and Henry's of the world. Who are there for you
Speaker 1: in the second and third round? I'm forgetting somebody who's
Speaker 1: pretty damn good booker on Collins, and there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of these, you know. And then I mean there's
Speaker 1: the free age. There's a free agent market too. I mean,
Speaker 1: seven days from now, who's a question who knows will
Speaker 1: be on this team? It's a question. The names always
Speaker 1: gets thrown out there like a littlemar Miller. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just said the numbers of what you're gonna pay.
Speaker 1: The reason the reason that Lamar Miller gets thrown around
Speaker 1: a lot. It's because he's young, he's got relatively low
Speaker 1: mileage on him. Um, but you're still you'd have to
Speaker 1: give him more than what you're giving Zeke. Sure, he's
Speaker 1: three to four years older than Zeke. He's got he's
Speaker 1: got four years worth of NFL mileage on him. And overall,
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, you would would see better. You
Speaker 1: sound like to me that you would enter that scenario.
Speaker 1: You would rather go for a young always. I would
Speaker 1: always rather have the young guy. And even I mean
Speaker 1: even at a top five pick, that contract isn't going
Speaker 1: to come back to bite you in the way that
Speaker 1: a big free agent contract could. He scares you the least,
Speaker 1: doesn't he? Right of the guys. You know, my favorite
Speaker 1: player in this draft is well documented. It's Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: But now I'm sweating a March fifteenth workout in Westwood, right,
Speaker 1: you know, my, my, my, my, my whole being, and
Speaker 1: I could be sweating. You know, I want him, whether
Speaker 1: it's here or somewhere else. I want him to go
Speaker 1: and play and have a great career. But it's come
Speaker 1: down to, like, you know, there's there's hit that questions
Speaker 1: about him there's questions about with Joey Bosa, you know,
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff. Let's not act like that.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Noah Spence weren't like hanging out together and
Speaker 1: doing things together and you know all those things. There's
Speaker 1: there's some things that people are going to have to
Speaker 1: dig in on Joey Bosa. There's the position flexibility question
Speaker 1: of Ramsey. Where do you play him? Where where is
Speaker 1: he If you play him at one, well you could
Speaker 1: probably say, well, if he's not very good, we'll move
Speaker 1: him to the other one. Well, that's what I was
Speaker 1: saying about. You know, there's a lot of talent in
Speaker 1: this class, but in terms of questions that you have
Speaker 1: about him, Zeke is the one that you just you're
Speaker 1: not worried about. You're not. I mean the biggest concern
Speaker 1: you have is what he said after the Michigan State
Speaker 1: game about calling out his coaches in the play which
Speaker 1: we watched the tape. He was right, Has anybody disagree
Speaker 1: with what? And he he was an immature moment. I
Speaker 1: mean he's known as the team guy. Yeah, exactly, He's
Speaker 1: known as the ultimate team Just watches blocking and tell
Speaker 1: me that he's not a team guy. I mean just
Speaker 1: that's who he is and so one immature moment is
Speaker 1: not going to define him. It reminds me of the
Speaker 1: quarterback debate, which I mean I've been you know, nobody
Speaker 1: really feels one hundred percent sure about any of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Are you're going to take a quarterback that you have
Speaker 1: seventy five percent confidence in at four over a guy
Speaker 1: that you have ninety percent confidence in? And I mean
Speaker 1: I'm sitting yeah, would ideally want to take a running
Speaker 1: back at four? Not really? But if I feel ninety
Speaker 1: five percent sure that Zeke is going to be a beast,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel that good about anybody else, why
Speaker 1: the hell not? You know, well, that brings up another
Speaker 1: discussion about you know, like with Joey Bosa, people talking
Speaker 1: about how he's already near a ceiling. Since when did
Speaker 1: that become a negative? You know, if you have a
Speaker 1: better idea of what you're getting with the Joey Bosa,
Speaker 1: that's appealing to me because I don't have as much projection,
Speaker 1: it's a little it's less ready board. Yeah, exactly. He
Speaker 1: can come in right now and help my team, and
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting where with another pass Rusher. Maybe, Um,
Speaker 1: it's more of a projection. Could he be better down
Speaker 1: the road, Yeah, but it's more of a projection, So
Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact. So with guys
Speaker 1: like Zeke and Bosa, who are ready to come in
Speaker 1: from day one, I have a great idea who they're
Speaker 1: going to be as pros. That's very appealing. So there's
Speaker 1: no defensive player that you would take Elliott over that's
Speaker 1: currently on this board, right, I mean in that for
Speaker 1: number four, Well, you know, I'm gonna stick to my
Speaker 1: top fifty, my top five tonsils number one, Jack was
Speaker 1: number two, right Ramsey three, right, Bosa four, and then
Speaker 1: Zeke five. Okay, so you're you're locked into three defensive guys.
Speaker 1: I think those three aren't assimilar. If any one of
Speaker 1: those guys were on the board for you at four,
Speaker 1: you would take them over taken. Yes, how about the
Speaker 1: names he just gave you behind? I mean, if they
Speaker 1: take Joey Bosa, I'm fine with it. If they take
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, I'm better than fine. I mean, that's great.
Speaker 1: He's a versatile guy. I mean, I think he could
Speaker 1: be a solid player at either position. But I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here thinking and I know the draft is about five
Speaker 1: years in the future, it's not so much about twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: But assuming nothing crazy happens, if the Cowboys drafted his
Speaker 1: Ekil Elliott, I'd feel comfortable putting money on him being
Speaker 1: offensive rookie of the year. Yeah. I mean, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna help you control the clock. He's a threat to
Speaker 1: run for a thousand yards. He's gonna help there. And
Speaker 1: McFadden stay healthy, he can block block, Yeah, all this
Speaker 1: good stuff. And you know, we saw what DeMarco Murray
Speaker 1: did for this offense in twenty fourteen in terms of
Speaker 1: ball control, clock control. That's the way Jason Garrett wants
Speaker 1: to play. Then I look over, I thought Byron Jones
Speaker 1: had a great rookie year. What really really tangible impact
Speaker 1: did he make? Though? True? And I mean, is it
Speaker 1: fair to expect more from Jalen Ramsey? Is it fair
Speaker 1: to expect more from Joey Bosa than what you got
Speaker 1: from DeMarcus Lawrence, which is no regular season sacks or
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory for that matter, regular season sacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody did the math on this. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take credit for it, but somebody out on Twitter came
Speaker 1: up with the fantastic stat that average rookie sack production
Speaker 1: in the NFL is two and a half or three. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was you're telling me that I could have
Speaker 1: eleven twelve hundred rushing yards and rookie Pro Bowl candidate
Speaker 1: if if verse that, and I know, I mean, Moosa
Speaker 1: becomes what but McFadden gives you ele one hundred rushing
Speaker 1: hards It doesn't issue. Yeah he does. But but I mean,
Speaker 1: if I mean, anybody listening to this podcast is probably
Speaker 1: well aware of McFadden's deficiencies, which you saw last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ezekiel Elliot it made it healthwise, he made
Speaker 1: it through he did which was an upset. Can you
Speaker 1: count on that? Can you count on that? Again? You
Speaker 1: can't how many r I would say McFadden probably have
Speaker 1: four or five runs that were touchdowns. If he's got
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's legs and speed, that's fascinating because yards, I believe,
Speaker 1: as much as they've invested in this offensive line, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't need to invest a top five resource into
Speaker 1: a running back, but Zeke is just so appealing. If
Speaker 1: they did, though, and I and all of this stuff
Speaker 1: I just said, I don't really believe at the end
Speaker 1: of the day that they would take him at four,
Speaker 1: but it certainly is interesting to think about. And what
Speaker 1: if what if you took what if he took Zeke
Speaker 1: at at four and you turn around and draft and
Speaker 1: drafted Prescott in the third? Now, how and and that's
Speaker 1: the and that and now you're talking about you got
Speaker 1: a runner, a receiver, and a young offensive line. How
Speaker 1: does that help Dak Prescott transition into being the future
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys or Cardel Jones? Okay, well
Speaker 1: I kidding, I know, yea, but how does that? Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yes, better, hope the defense stops somebody,
Speaker 1: because that's the way if you're adding these offensive players,
Speaker 1: that's great. But better I mean, that's I mean, And
Speaker 1: that's let me ask you this though, Would you feel
Speaker 1: better about Would you feel better about draft and Zeke
Speaker 1: if Randy Gregory did get three sacks and didn't have
Speaker 1: this suspension hanging over his head? Yeah, for sure that
Speaker 1: you might not lean towards taken Bosa. You know that
Speaker 1: you might you say, well, you know what, we feel
Speaker 1: good about what's going on over here. If you're drafting Bosa.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not because of a knee jerk reaction
Speaker 1: to Randy Gregor anyway. I mean, there's there's more to
Speaker 1: their need on the defensive line than just the fact
Speaker 1: that Randy Gregory's a slappy and the no the no
Speaker 1: sacks thing doesn't worry, but it's more the I just
Speaker 1: don't know if we can trust him off the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is he's gonna miss the first four
Speaker 1: games and then what happens, and it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a job might play twelve games and then he's he's
Speaker 1: got a problem. Yeah, you know, you just can't. You
Speaker 1: just don't know. It's so easy for these guys to
Speaker 1: slip up. It's hard to trust them. Okay, I look
Speaker 1: forward to revisiting this when free agency has settled a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'd say there's gonna be there's gonna be
Speaker 1: three or four guys that are not currently in the
Speaker 1: conversation that will be members of this team in the
Speaker 1: next two weeks, and then another you know, Lance dunbar Um,
Speaker 1: James Hannah, Jack Crawford. Maybe these guys are not in
Speaker 1: the conversation anymore, maybe they're somewhere else in the league.
Speaker 1: So Okay, I don't know. It's it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to talk. I'm on board because I'm with you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm on with the production. I'm on with the fact
Speaker 1: that minimize my risk. But give me, give me that
Speaker 1: guy that I think could be a difference maker. I
Speaker 1: think and I wasn't even old enough to really and
Speaker 1: truly remember this, which is gonna make a lot of
Speaker 1: people upset. But I mean, I think about how easily
Speaker 1: successful Emmett Smith was when he first came into the league,
Speaker 1: and how I mean it was almost effortless because of
Speaker 1: the pieces that were in place around offensive blind quarterback.
Speaker 1: Who's like fever, Who's going to be happier about Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott being in his backfield than Tony Romo for these
Speaker 1: last two to four years of his career depending on
Speaker 1: two to four. I like a straight whatever it is
Speaker 1: that he actually winds up playing one game to four years. Jerry,
Speaker 1: Jerry thinks he'll be here for six more years. You
Speaker 1: think he'll be here for two. Somebody thinks he's going
Speaker 1: to have break his neck on the snap of the
Speaker 1: next seas going to take a day by day Thanks coach,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, Well that's a good discussion. All right, Hey, Ken,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the program over you because I'm looking
Speaker 1: and we have about five minutes left in the show
Speaker 1: and I want to get some callers in. So if
Speaker 1: you got it lined up again the numbers eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven. Again, we're
Speaker 1: all doing well. Get your question right, your question. I
Speaker 1: want to get us to as many calls as I
Speaker 1: can and give everybody an opportunity to chime in. So
Speaker 1: can't you gotta go ahead? Yeah, Bradley and DC go ahead.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, thanks again. So this may be being nitpicky,
Speaker 1: but as far as the quarterback conversation goes with wins
Speaker 1: and Golf, I think that Wentz may be overdrafted because
Speaker 1: he does have the measurables. But looking at Golf, I
Speaker 1: think he has a better feel for the game. And
Speaker 1: when I say still, I like the way he climbs
Speaker 1: the pocket better. And what I noticed with Wentz is
Speaker 1: whenever pressure comes, he seems to kind of run out
Speaker 1: or kind of get he gets flustered when pressure comes.
Speaker 1: And I like the way that Wentz moves in a
Speaker 1: elevator in a smart area. I mean of golf moves
Speaker 1: in a smart area. So if y'all get to speak
Speaker 1: on that, that'd be great. And Brian, thanks, plea's taking
Speaker 1: my questions on what squitter. I appreciate it, no problem, man,
Speaker 1: thanks for getting back at me on that's pretty accurate snapshot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing his work right, I mean, that's there are
Speaker 1: times definitely we watch Wentz on tape, he feels the ghosts,
Speaker 1: he hears the noise, and he prematurely gets out of
Speaker 1: the pocket, uses his legs. So he knows he's athletic
Speaker 1: and he can move around, and so he takes advantage
Speaker 1: of that. But a lot of times you'd love to
Speaker 1: see him stick in the pocket. Maybe go be a
Speaker 1: little quicker going from one to two to three in
Speaker 1: his reads, where golf is already at an advanced level
Speaker 1: in terms of seeing the field at natural feel for
Speaker 1: his progressions and he feels pressure a lot better. So
Speaker 1: it makes it tough because whence absolutely he wins in
Speaker 1: the measurable department. I mean, you take the decal off
Speaker 1: the helmet and Wentz is everything you want in a
Speaker 1: quarterback in terms of just the way he looks and
Speaker 1: the ball comes off his hand. But is golf just
Speaker 1: a little bit better and turn of the mental process
Speaker 1: and the way he uses his feet, and will that
Speaker 1: be able to make him an overall better quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL? Golf takes a beating and you could watch.
Speaker 1: We watched him on tape the other night. We were
Speaker 1: watching the cow U. Yeah, they're running back and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's throwing the ball. He's standing there
Speaker 1: and he's ripping it down the middle and he's taking
Speaker 1: a guy's hitting him in the chest, left tackle, right tackle.
Speaker 1: They're all bad. So yeah, he's he offensive. No favorite
Speaker 1: wins is coming from a program that won a national
Speaker 1: title in five straight seasons, and golf was the quarterback
Speaker 1: of a one and eleven team. Would they go like
Speaker 1: eight and five this year? That it was a huge jump,
Speaker 1: all right, Kim, Yeah, Sam and san Antonio Sam, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I first want to say, um, as far as a
Speaker 1: lost feelings about Joey Boss, I'm definitely afraid that the
Speaker 1: Cowboy's gonna pick him. I do not want of him.
Speaker 1: I would take I would even take learning punsel if
Speaker 1: he was there. I mean, I know he's raided very
Speaker 1: highly in that amount of New Povision for US. I
Speaker 1: would take uh heck, I would take running back out
Speaker 1: at home Ohio State. I do not want Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be reready solid and nothing more.
Speaker 1: And at that at that position, I want to see
Speaker 1: somebody who's catalytic, who was special, and I mean to me,
Speaker 1: he had what he had several first and second round
Speaker 1: talent guys along that front seven and I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be able to go and be you know,
Speaker 1: a let's say DeMarcus Ware type or whatever. But he's
Speaker 1: just he's just not. I do not want Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: at all at number four. I wouldn't even want him
Speaker 1: at fourteen. I'm being honest with you, but honestly, I
Speaker 1: will love I'm in love with Jay Ramley, Miles jack
Speaker 1: But if I was wondering what you guys thought about it, um,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Chicaboys get Ramsey at four, assuming
Speaker 1: he was even making there, and then go back in
Speaker 1: the second round and try to get William Jackson and
Speaker 1: double down and really turn that that position into all
Speaker 1: strength and they want to get your starts. Y'all have
Speaker 1: a great day, fellas. Right, thanks. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm guilty of killing Bosa. It's all your fault.
Speaker 1: I was gonna I mean, I feel like and I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill I just it was my opinion.
Speaker 1: If we're in a bit of a Joey Bosa echo chamber, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of and you know it's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Dane likes him a lot, and Dane could absolutely be
Speaker 1: right about the player, and you know, it happens. And
Speaker 1: I compared him to Greg Ellis. I compared Himcgreg Ellis
Speaker 1: on the production on the six to eight sacks and
Speaker 1: and and and unfair or not, that's what I saw.
Speaker 1: And if people, if Sam and those guys, everybody's doing
Speaker 1: their own work and they're trying to find out, Hey,
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, watching these games, that's okay. I
Speaker 1: feel like that I'm responsible for killing the guy. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill the guy. I just pointed out
Speaker 1: what I see. But I think I'm online with him
Speaker 1: though one of the main things can be good but
Speaker 1: not great, one of the main issues, I think. And
Speaker 1: caller kind of said that he doesn't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be DeMarcus Ware. Nobody is, but yeah, he shouldn't be
Speaker 1: compared to it. I shouldn't be compared to him. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, Okay, it's a fourth overall pick,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna you know, they translate the fourth overall
Speaker 1: pick too future hall of famer, you know, But that's
Speaker 1: just not always the case. I mean, this draft doesn't
Speaker 1: have those generational guys that are going to be able
Speaker 1: to come in and you know, make that type of
Speaker 1: impact that de Marcus Ware did, So he shouldn't be
Speaker 1: compared to the DeMarcus Ware. But I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: To me, I see it on the tape. I see
Speaker 1: a guy that the techniques there. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be an elite speed guy to win. I
Speaker 1: mean his testing numbers were very good and the three
Speaker 1: cone in short shuttle was the only two or the
Speaker 1: main two drills I care about for the pass rusher position.
Speaker 1: So to me, nothing has changed. I think both. I
Speaker 1: understand maybe if you think he's a six to eight
Speaker 1: sack guy, totally get that. I'm not convinced he's going
Speaker 1: to be a double digit sack guy. But I don't
Speaker 1: think he need to be a double digit sack guy.
Speaker 1: Had to impact the pocket. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: von Miller had eleven sacks last year. See, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't need to be a double digit sac guy to
Speaker 1: impact the pocket consistently. Yeah. I just I worry about
Speaker 1: Chris Long. I worry about I worry about the guy
Speaker 1: that plays and gets war down in week you know,
Speaker 1: week fourteen, you're you're fighting for a playoff spot, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's not. I saw Chris Long
Speaker 1: do that this year. I saw looks great a week one.
Speaker 1: By week fourteen, he's wore down, thirty years old now,
Speaker 1: but the same he's the same type of player a
Speaker 1: lot of Similarly, Chris Long had some pretty damn good
Speaker 1: years when he was That's what I'm saying. And and
Speaker 1: if he if he you know, if he has a
Speaker 1: career like that, that's fine. But I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: to me, I'm trying to think about I want that.
Speaker 1: I want that difference maker. And I think and I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a really good football player. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say he's gonna be great. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good football It would be one thing
Speaker 1: if if this was the Jaguars sorry for throwing that
Speaker 1: out though, but well, uh, this is a team that
Speaker 1: hasn't been top five in twenty seven years, and from
Speaker 1: the fans perspective, I just think they want something that's
Speaker 1: going to move the needle a little bit more. And
Speaker 1: I apologize to you. You could be right about Boss.
Speaker 1: I would accept it if I'm wrong. I think we all,
Speaker 1: I mean me included, we all like Ramsey better. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if Sam wants Ramsey, Yeah, all right, listen, that's all
Speaker 1: the time we have today for the Draft Show. I
Speaker 1: want to specially thank Scott Purcell and Dave Urns and
Speaker 1: Blake Silverthorne for kind of setting all this up for us.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Dane Burglar, David Hellman, and Ken Garrison.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you everybody out there for your tweets,
Speaker 1: for your calls. Bradley, Sam, we appreciate you, guys. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week. We'll dive into some more, we'll
Speaker 1: be a little bit closer to this draft. If you
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to sit down and look at these players,
Speaker 1: formulate your own opinion and go from there. So for
Speaker 1: my crew here, we'll see you next time on the
Speaker 1: Draft Show.