WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combine Review; Zeke At Pick 4? 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.680 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys on 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.840 your war room for insider news and draft analysis from 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.160 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rant. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.040 The Dallas Cowboys Select by Ran Joe and now your 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:32.760 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. We 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.000 are back here at the Draft Show from the s 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:43.040 TOWBC Mortgage Studios after a week in Indianapolis investigating and 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.839 now about to educate our listeners on what's going on 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.360 all things in NFL Draft. We're getting closer, Dane, you 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.040 know how many days to the draft? It's like fifty 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.560 five something like that. It's fifty some odd days. Yeah, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.200 how about that? It's March kind of crazy. Brian brought 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.839 us here with Dame Bruegler from CBS Sports and Dallas 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.640 Cowboys dot Com and David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.240 Kent Garrison, Executive Producer, like to welcome everybody to our 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.240 show today. A couple of different ways. You could get 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.000 a hold of us on Twitter. We take questions. That's 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.840 our route, that's our choice at the Draft Show. If 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.280 you have a question for the show, that's the best 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.920 way to get involved. When we get to the twenty mark, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.920 Dave Hellman will take over the show and he will 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.520 answer all those questions. We also take calls, as you 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.280 notice on the right side of your screen eight eight 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.240 eight eight five five two two nine seven. That would 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.200 be another way that we can get your opinion or 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.920 whether you agree with us, disagree with us, or just 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.560 fire general comment at us. Guys. We did just get 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.280 back from the Combine and we kind of tied some 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.080 things up when it was over were on when we 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.600 were done there on Saturday. But just Dane, I just 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.080 want to maybe get a thought or two about the 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.400 combine we all talk about, for the medical for the 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.000 information or anything else stand out at the combine for you, 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.480 so much information comes at you. Now a week later, 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.480 we're trying to figure out all the data. What does 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.560 it mean? How do we apply it? Uh? You know, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.040 do players live up to expectations? Did something fall short 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.320 the medical information you mentioned? That's really you know, we 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.480 mentioned this time after time, but that's the main reason 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.760 for the combine, That's why I was created, and really 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:42.240 that's the numerous uno reason why NFL teams are so 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.799 focused on the Combine is the medical information and Jalen Smith, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.960 we talked about him unfortunate. It is unfortunate. Miles Jack 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.560 another unfortunate. It is it's uh, you hate it for 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.280 these talented players and Miles Jack. We don't know as 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.400 much as we know about Jalen Smith. Miles Jack is 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.440 a more wait and see type of type of guy, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.040 type of injury right now. But I feel like we 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:07.639 I don't think there were any big surprises up the 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.680 combine in terms of players maybe performing better than we thought. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.640 I think, you know, through all the tape study and 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.000 all the draft shows we've done talked about these players 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.639 right Senior Bowl. You know, I think we had a 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.200 good grasp on all of them. I don't think any 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.160 one truly surprised us. But nonetheless a lot of good 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.000 info here and it definitely need to go back to 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.520 the tape on some of these players. Yeah, but we 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.880 also talked about here on the draft show as well, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.200 these wide receivers. Everybody was making a big deal about 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.880 the lack of say, time speed, right, you know, I 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.800 felt like all along apparently the slowest yeah average time 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.440 in eleven years. As we've gone along here, we felt 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.800 like that, you know, we've kind of again talked about 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.680 that there's these receivers, you got to figure them out. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.400 They're kind of all lumped together and can they break 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.200 away from each other. We feel like there's maybe a 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.880 couple of guys treadwill being on the top, depending on 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.880 who you like. The second guy, you know, Michael Thomas, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.000 guys like that. So you know, it was it was 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.360 not a surprise to me to see that group. I know, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.640 everybody who was watching on TV's like, oh there, and 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.520 you know Mayak and those guys making a big deal 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.800 about it. But when you watch the tape of these 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.200 guys that there's not that with the exception of uh, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.160 you know, listen be and then also with full Fuller, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.560 you know, these guys really don't run. And I'll tell 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.000 you why. Another receiver who really impressed me is Josh 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.520 Doson there you go. I mean, he we liked him 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.320 on tape and it's not like it was a big surprise, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.640 but he tested much better than I thought he would. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.040 Uh you know at six two two two ran four 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.039 or five flat forty one in vertical. Uh, I mean 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.520 he really tested well. So I think Josh Doxson only 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.160 helped himself I mean he's he was already you know, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.599 probably in that top five conversation in terms of wide 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.120 receivers in his class. I think he only solidified it. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.360 And you know he has a strong case to go 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.680 in that back half around one. Okay, I was gonna 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.800 ask you this question. Said that back in Indian You 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.880 guys scoffed at me for whatever. Never mean to scoffed 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.039 at you. What about Dodson? We scoffed at you. Oh, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.520 I'm Fuller. I'm were high on Fuller. Okay, guys are 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.400 high on Fuller. Yeah, no, No, we understand Tyler. We 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.040 expected to run um, you know, in the four threes 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.880 or yea, because that's his game and that's his game. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.840 And he's interesting because it's you know, he doesn't need 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.039 to be a volume catcher to make an impact on 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.240 a game. I mean, he can have three catches and 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.240 have one hundred and twenty yards and maybe a touchdown 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.440 and you know that's a quality day for him. His 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.480 value in the draft is interesting to try and figure 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.520 out because he isn't going to be a possession guy. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.880 He's gonna be a big play, home run threat, sure 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.680 type of guy, and you can absolutely use those types. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.200 But is he uh? Is he that much better than say, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.320 like a Terrence Williams. Yeah. I was going to ask 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.719 you that question, and David Hellman, you're our Dallas cowboy expert, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.480 and he's a terrifying comparison. No, but but do you know, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.400 does this does this offense and we're talking about the 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.520 Cowboys here, does this offense need a guy like a Fuller, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.240 a guy that can take the top off a defense 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.960 with that ability. Does this team lack speed at the 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.640 wide receiver position? And would you consider Fuller at you know, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.719 thirty four if he was there? It's an interesting question. Yeah, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.280 I mean yes, I think this offense does lack speed. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.559 I mean, you look around. Dez is not Deaz because 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.320 he's a burner, right, Terrence is fast, but he's not 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.440 I mean, he's not Antonio Brown. I know he ran 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.320 a slow forty at the combine. It's ironic that I 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.800 say that, but he's I mean, he's not that guy 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.960 that's going to scare scare the cornerback. And then you 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.760 look around and you don't have that among any of 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.599 your other guys. Certainly not Darren McFadden, Certainly not Cole Beasley. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.240 Maybe Lucky Whitehead, but we have not seen him utilized 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.920 in that way. And then you factor in the part 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.520 where Terrence Williams is entering a contract year, and you know, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.680 I don't feel great about signing him to any type 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.760 of big money deal after that. So yeah, I think 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.560 wide receivers in need for this team. Thirty four is 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.120 where you kind of scare me a little bit. I 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.599 just think there's so I scared you, h. I think 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.320 there's needs that are bigger and that. And you know, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.680 people have been tweeting me for the last week or 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.360 so that I was so high on Laquon Treadwell where 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.400 you were when we started this. For the record, I 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.400 still am. He's still probably my favorite just in terms 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.200 of he's my favorite player in this draft, maybe in 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.320 terms of guys to watch and stuff like that. But 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.040 you look around at what this team needs and and 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.960 what I think they need to solidify going forward. I 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.520 can't convince myself that wide receiver is a big enough 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.400 need at thirty four, let alone four, which is why 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.239 I've kind of cooled on Treadwell. Picture paint a picture 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.560 for will Fuller for the for the fans out there, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.760 he's so outstanding at finding the ball in flight. He 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.720 has that second burst, that secondary burst down field that 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.280 corners a lot of these corners can't match, and so 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.360 he's able to create that separation down the field. And 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.080 while he is a little more body catcher than you want, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.520 he his tiny hands, he is sable. He tracks the 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.360 ball really well, and so u he has he has 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.560 terrific value. I think he's probably gonna end up somewhere 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.960 in the top thirty five picks. So I think it 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.200 is possible he's there at thirty. Yes, But and we 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.040 we've talked about it with these wide receivers, and you know, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.680 the biggest reason not to take a Laquon Treadwell top 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.440 ten is because of these this clump of receivers in 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.360 the second round. You know that Josh, you know you 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.920 could find a Josh Docks and a Will Fuller. Uh, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.800 there's a host of these guys in the second round 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.160 that can come in and contribute. And not that they're 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.600 better than Lakwan Treadwell. Treadwell is the best in this class, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.960 but there's not a huge drop off. You can go 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.000 to another position top ten, find your receiver second round. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.760 That's same thing with defensive tackle. This year, I think 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.199 defensive tackle and wide receiver. That sweet spot is going 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.240 to be, you know, on the twenty five to forty 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.280 five range. That's when you're going to be able to 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.839 you know, find that guy. And that's right where the 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.040 Cowboys are, right in the middle. So I don't you know, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.800 they don't need to take a wide receiver at four. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.320 They can get that guy in the second round if 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.600 that's a direction they want to go. I'll go back 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.080 to my earlier point, which is, and you know, you 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.960 can never predict these things. It's the same argument we 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.480 have with quarterbacks every week, every day. Really, if Dez 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.440 Bryant is healthy, Terrence Williams is more than good enough 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.520 to be the number two options on this team. It's 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.520 you know, we found out last year that he's not 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.439 going to be your number one guy. He's not reliable. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.440 He hasn't been reliable over his entire career. Here, I think, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.600 I mean statistics back that up. But if you're assuming 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.719 Dez is gonna play thirteen or more games, I think 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.920 Terence is totally fine. And like you said, he's entering 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.280 a contract year, absolutely, so you do have to prepare 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.160 for and you do you do? And that's I'm actually 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.559 I'm looking at the list right now. Go to Dane's boy, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.880 like I know he loves him. If they wanted to 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.480 draft Pharaoh Cooper sure in the third round or you know, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.240 I don't think he falls to the force, but maybe 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.320 he does. I'm way more willing to take a shot. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.560 And I just looked this up to Martavis Bryant, who 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.360 I love of, who has excelled as the guy behind 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.720 Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh. He's pick one eight team sure, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.920 So I mean, obviously you have to hit on these picks. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.800 You know, it's not a give. It's not a give. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.120 That discussion was about the speed, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.920 That's what I mean. I mean, Terry Williams, you would 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.920 only you would look at you would look at Fuller 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.760 at thirty four because of the speed, because you know, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.840 as you go through all the players you named or 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.000 and their own writer out or nice players. But I'm 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.400 trying to think of how do you make this team 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:34.400 better with speed? And it's really that's what just with 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.199 will Fuller, I don't care, I mean don't speed is 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.960 great and Fuller as a burner, I don't care that 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.400 much about just one off nine routes speed like Devin 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.559 Smith last year. Uh it's his name, right, the guy 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:52.480 that Jeff Uman Smith. I just I just want a 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.679 guy who's consistently when the defense is the bracketing days, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.120 he has to consistently be able to win. That's all 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.600 I want. I don't care. I mean if he's a burner, right, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.000 if you don't agree with what we're saying or what 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.920 I'm trying to ask him about the speed. This is 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.600 something Nick Eatman has had, you know, he brings it up. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.360 He's brought it up every year that I've worked here, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.640 is that they haven't had that guy who can just 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.040 completely take the top off a defense. But I'm not 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.760 convinced that you need it. I just need a guy 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.120 who can win his one on one matchups when Dez 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.680 is busy, and I think a value of having a 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.760 receiver that can take a top off a defense it 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.559 really stretch out that defense is because it's not most cases, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.599 it's not going to be one on one coverage. You know, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.760 all defenses aren't going to just allow the corner to 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.800 play one on one with a threat like Will Fuller. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.599 They're going to draw a safety towards that side of 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.280 the field and helps. And that's what I'm saying with 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.600 these a legit deep threat. I mean, there's a lot 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.679 of speedy guys, but not all of them are legit 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.439 deep threats like will Fuller. Is right, Adding a player 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.080 like Will Fuller will help stretch out the defense open 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.080 things up, and so I think just that's just a 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.760 threat of him going deep could really help the offense. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.280 And I don't mean to suggest that I don't like 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.040 will Fuller. I like them, you do, um. I'm just saying, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.160 and you know, thinking back to twenty fourteen when this 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.760 offense was so successful, the big play is I don't 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.480 really know that they're I mean, obviously big plays are great, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.560 but I don't really know that that's their blueprint anyway. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.319 They want to control the ball, they want to control 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.680 the clock. Is Will Fuller top five wide receiver in 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.120 this class for you? Yeah? He is? Okay, he is, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.360 and I I you know what, and I y'all's rank. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.880 I know you had Coleman too, Yeah right, yeah, Lakwan 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:29.840 tried well and Corey colemaner still one two for me, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.000 and you have docks in two. Yeah, I have docks 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.559 in there. I have Michael Thomas in there too as well, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.320 and then Lawler and Fuller were my guys. Yeah, that's 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.880 I mean, I'm right there, Treadwell, Coleman, and I want 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.280 two Josh Dockson is my number three, Thomas, my number 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.000 four Cooper to my number five Fuller numbers. So there's 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.000 people that will probably take docs and over over Michael 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.199 Thomas in Ohio State. Yeah, and it's flavor, you know. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.319 I think they're closely rated. Yeah, I mean, and that's 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.240 what y'all were talking. I mean, this whole clump right here. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:03.320 I speaking of help himself, Sterling Shepard helped himself. Oh yeah, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.079 and he's helped himself since the end of the season 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.680 at the Senior Bowl which here there and at the combine. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.440 He's yeah, and he can help you in the slot. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.040 I think he can play on the outside. Is he 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.760 best in the slot? Probably with a shorter area quickness, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.400 and I mean, just good luck try a slot or 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.240 a nickel corner trying to cover him in the slot. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.840 But I think he can also play on the outside, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.200 which you make of all these the cornerbacks in the workout, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.960 you know, that's a position a lot of people have 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.200 focused on it. It depends on you know, Hargraves measured 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.920 taller than what we thought thought he was a five 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.480 nine guy. I think he was five ten four. Yeah, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.280 and does it I mean, does it? Does it change 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.360 you watching the film? Of course, he feel like that 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.520 he plays a little small at times. He does. He 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.120 came in really honestly, size wise and speedwise. He came 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.079 in what I thought I thought right around five ten 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.320 and a half, right around four to five, and he 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.800 was just right around those those times. So William Jackson 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.000 to me, is that that's why I was going to 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.720 go to Yeah, he's he really kind of opened some 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.720 eyes a little bit more. Yeah, And it's not that 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.040 he came out of nowhere. He was viewed as a 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.480 solid second round pick, maybe even an early second round pick, 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.640 especially for the teams that value size at that position. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.400 But for him to go out and run a four 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.760 three seven is outstanding. Yeah, that long striding speed, he's 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.320 so good at playing the ball with his back to 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.360 the ball. He has that innate ability, which is you 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.560 need that in the NFL to play cornerback. So William 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.800 Jackson definitely helped himself. I think he's has a good chance, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.920 a good argument to go late first round. Okay here, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.720 especially when you look at the teams that are picking 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.320 back there that prefer those longer corners seattles, and Green 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.800 Bay's Kansas City Pittsburgh would be a good spot. So 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.000 I think he's gonna end up somewhere in that back 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.480 half of round. A lot of mock drafts have Eli 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.080 Apple from Ohio State going to Pittsburgh. Though, is this 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.480 the well, could we see a flip you're talking about guys, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.960 maybe that Jackson instead of Apple. I don't, I don't. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.080 I think Apple helped himself, so I don't think he 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.560 might not be there for the Steelers with that pick. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.840 So you see him going up, you see him being 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.400 up Apple. So he's only a red shirt sophomore. He's 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.200 so young, he still has so much he has to learn. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.240 But you just look at the traits and he's a future. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.880 Teams think he's a future number one corner in this league. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.360 And so I think there's a good chances he's off 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.000 the board somewhere in the top twenty five picks. I mean, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.600 the traits are impressive, but i've you know, I haven't 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.200 watched anywhere near as much as y'all. But I have 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.520 watched tape on Eli Apple and I didn't come away 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.560 completely blown away by any means, which the fact that 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.880 he's a red shirt sophomore helps explain that a lot. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.240 I was gonna say. I would be fascinated to see 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.800 what the narrative was on Jackson. If he had participated 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.120 in the Senior Bowl. He was one of those late scratches, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.840 you know. If he'd gone out there and had a 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.440 dominant week of practices, maybe we'd be talking about him 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.640 in the mid first round. Six oh one two two 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.680 oh nine four three eight. Who does just read? Oh god, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.680 if you're reading William Jackson. But six oh one two 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:05.920 two o nine four three eight was his speed hand 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:11.400 timed talking about corner? Yeah? Who already talking about Jalen Ramsey. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.040 I should have guessed. I was gonna say, I was 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.800 thinking he's a safety for me, So I wasn't thinking 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.600 of him. I think a lot of teams. No, I'm 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.320 just safety, Brian, No, he's he's a safety to us, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.200 A lot of safety in my world. Okay, it's a 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.520 safety in your world. What if these guys here looking 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.040 him as a corner Oh, I think a lot of 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.880 teams are. Yeah, because when you're when you're on that 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.080 size and speed, you know, you can play on the outside. Yeah, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.720 They're gonna keep you out there. There's more value there. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.320 So I get it. I understand it. But if the long, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.240 if the long, rumored, not substantiated release of Brandon Carr 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.520 comes to pass, you might need him to play corner. Yeah. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.160 So I think I think this team right here is 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.080 looking ahead him at corner. I think there are a 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.120 lot of teams And you just said the words. You 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.240 just said the words Seattle. You know, these teams had 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.400 play that that scheme Seattle, Atlanta. He wants for Seattle. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.960 So no, but I'm just saying that the teams, you know, Yeah, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.280 you know San Diegan, san Diego, san Diego, if san Diego, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.359 it would be interesting to see what san Diego sees 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.399 him ass Yeah, if they you know, because they're in 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.160 a situation with with Wettell being gone, do they seem 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.160 as the safety you could pare them with Verret Well, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.560 and that's I think San Diego and Dallas are both 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.680 in similar situations where without a doubt they they're probably 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.040 going defense. Yes, could take which is which what helps 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.960 the defense more the pass rush, yeah, or the back 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.639 at the back end and in the secondary. You know 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.080 what's going to help that defense more. And so I 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.480 think that they're both teams that I could see going 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.880 either way. Whether that's a Bosa or a Buckner right 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.159 or a Ramsey and a help in the second or 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:46.800 you can make a strong case for either. See that's 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.120 why I think their defensive board in San Diego will 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.479 be very similar to what this defensive board is here. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.639 They're still in a three four right, Yeah they are. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.560 And that's why I think Buckner probably but they but 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.639 but but Buckner. They mentioned Buckner's he when we had 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.440 a chance, it's to interview him. Four three teams are 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.240 looking at him playing inside. You guys kept the Buckner 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.359 hype alive at the combine. I tried to squash it, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.440 and you guys know, I no, initially, I I when 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.840 when when mel Kiper put him in the mock draft 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.720 the Dallas and made I had a scout come up 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.960 to me and say, when did we start taking three 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.440 four defensive ins here? Said that on like three draft 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.480 shows in our own now. Yeah, but and that's what 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.120 that's what he does best. You know, and that's so 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.480 I get it. But he can also play I didn't 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.680 you play outside? Yeah? And if in a fourth three 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.920 I can play inside, you can play the one. You 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.119 can do a lot of things for you. I think 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.440 diversatility obviously is a high selling points. Watching Garnett block 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.840 him last night at Stamford a little bit playing a 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.880 good battle. That was a good battle well for Garnett. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.400 Oh yeah, I was surprised. Kind of a big thick guy, 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.080 you know, he handled the quickness pretty well. Okay, uh 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.440 any other cornerbacks so that we needed to visit about 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.440 the safeties. Any safeties though, jump out at you. Uh, 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.440 you know. As unfortunate Vaughan Bell couldn't run. His interview 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.720 was very weird. He admitted he was being he was 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.399 lazy a lot of times. Yeah, that was strange. Was strange. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.000 And then he didn't run because of a hammy. So 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.359 hopefully he's able to run out of House States pro day. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.879 Miles Killerbrew didn't run as well as a lot of 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.320 people thought. Um, and that was kind of what you know. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.480 The people that like Momas was another one. Thompson excuse 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.680 me was another one, right, Yeah, he had an illness too, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.600 so hopefully that explains it. But Miles Killerber, if you 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.840 don't like what you see on tape, then you're kind 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.600 of all just wait till the combine. He's gonna test 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.160 really well. Yeah I thought he would, but he didn't 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.200 test as well as I thought. Um, but he still 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:39.760 weighed in impressively. TJ. Green from Clemson his safety, the 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.080 other guy, not Jr. On curse. TJ. Greene, former wide receiver, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.360 moved to safety. He ran in the four threes. That's 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.119 only going to help him for teams looking for a 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.400