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Speaker 1: how about that? It's March kind of crazy. Brian brought

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: be another way that we can get your opinion or

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Speaker 1: fire general comment at us. Guys. We did just get

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Speaker 1: back from the Combine and we kind of tied some

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Speaker 1: were done there on Saturday. But just Dane, I just

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Speaker 1: want to maybe get a thought or two about the

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Speaker 1: combine we all talk about, for the medical for the

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Speaker 1: information or anything else stand out at the combine for you,

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Speaker 1: so much information comes at you. Now a week later,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out all the data. What does

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Speaker 1: it mean? How do we apply it? Uh? You know,

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Speaker 1: do players live up to expectations? Did something fall short

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Speaker 1: the medical information you mentioned? That's really you know, we

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Speaker 1: mentioned this time after time, but that's the main reason

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Speaker 1: for the combine, That's why I was created, and really

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Speaker 1: that's the numerous uno reason why NFL teams are so

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Speaker 1: focused on the Combine is the medical information and Jalen Smith,

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Speaker 1: we talked about him unfortunate. It is unfortunate. Miles Jack

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Speaker 1: another unfortunate. It is it's uh, you hate it for

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Speaker 1: these talented players and Miles Jack. We don't know as

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Speaker 1: much as we know about Jalen Smith. Miles Jack is

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Speaker 1: a more wait and see type of type of guy,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there were any big surprises up the

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Speaker 1: combine in terms of players maybe performing better than we thought.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, through all the tape study and

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Speaker 1: all the draft shows we've done talked about these players

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Speaker 1: right Senior Bowl. You know, I think we had a

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Speaker 1: info here and it definitely need to go back to

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Speaker 1: the tape on some of these players. Yeah, but we

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Speaker 1: these wide receivers. Everybody was making a big deal about

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Speaker 1: the lack of say, time speed, right, you know, I

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Speaker 1: felt like all along apparently the slowest yeah average time

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, we've kind of again talked about

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Speaker 1: I'm Fuller. I'm were high on Fuller. Okay, guys are

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Speaker 1: high on Fuller. Yeah, no, No, we understand Tyler. We

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Speaker 1: And he's interesting because it's you know, he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: But is he uh? Is he that much better than say,

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Speaker 1: and he's a terrifying comparison. No, but but do you know,

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Speaker 1: so that I was so high on Laquon Treadwell where

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Speaker 1: what I think they need to solidify going forward. I

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Speaker 1: I've kind of cooled on Treadwell. Picture paint a picture

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Speaker 1: for will Fuller for the for the fans out there,

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Speaker 1: he's so outstanding at finding the ball in flight. He

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Speaker 1: terrific value. I think he's probably gonna end up somewhere

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Speaker 1: the biggest reason not to take a Laquon Treadwell top

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Speaker 1: ten is because of these this clump of receivers in

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Speaker 1: the second round. You know that Josh, you know you

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Speaker 1: better than Lakwan Treadwell. Treadwell is the best in this class,

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Speaker 1: but there's not a huge drop off. You can go

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Speaker 1: they don't need to take a wide receiver at four.

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Speaker 1: to my earlier point, which is, and you know, you

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Speaker 1: you know, we found out last year that he's not

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Speaker 1: I mean statistics back that up. But if you're assuming

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Speaker 1: Terence is totally fine. And like you said, he's entering

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Speaker 1: a contract year, absolutely, so you do have to prepare

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Speaker 1: for and you do you do? And that's I'm actually

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list right now. Go to Dane's boy,

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Speaker 1: like I know he loves him. If they wanted to

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Speaker 1: draft Pharaoh Cooper sure in the third round or you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he falls to the force, but maybe

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Speaker 1: And I just looked this up to Martavis Bryant, who

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Speaker 1: I love of, who has excelled as the guy behind

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh. He's pick one eight team sure,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously you have to hit on these picks.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not a give. It's not a give.

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Speaker 1: That discussion was about the speed, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: at thirty four because of the speed, because you know,

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Speaker 1: and their own writer out or nice players. But I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to think of how do you make this team

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Speaker 1: better with speed? And it's really that's what just with

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Speaker 1: will Fuller, I don't care, I mean don't speed is

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Speaker 1: great and Fuller as a burner, I don't care that

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Speaker 1: much about just one off nine routes speed like Devin

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Speaker 1: Smith last year. Uh it's his name, right, the guy

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Speaker 1: turn it over to you, and let's let's begin. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go rap fire. Got it. Michael wants to know

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Speaker 1: how does this year's top ten stack up to last

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Speaker 1: year's for you? I mean, if if the Cowboys had

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Speaker 1: the fourth pick last year, well, Maury Cooper was the

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Speaker 1: first or the fourth pick last year? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: you look at last year's draft. I think the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: were better with Winston Mariotte at the top. You look

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Speaker 1: at the wide receivers with Cooper and White, um, two

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Speaker 1: really good talents there, and then you had Girly at

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Speaker 1: number ten. So in a lot of ways it's similar.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a Zeke this year and unfortunate

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Speaker 1: when you get to see him because of ACL but

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come back strong. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I think there are some comparisons. I think you

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Speaker 1: can you see impact guys last year. I think you

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Speaker 1: see impact guys this year, not necessarily the generational talents,

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Speaker 1: but guys that can potentially make Pro Bowls. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting pick would have been girly if Fouler,

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Speaker 1: I know he went to at three, but you know

494
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Speaker 1: there were some guys there, the two quarterbacks of course,

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Speaker 1: if one would have the slit Tea and Cooper though

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver was outstanding. So yeah, I like a

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Speaker 1: I I think I would. I would align more with

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Speaker 1: the talent last year than the talent this year. As

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Speaker 1: far as having a top five pick, I have this

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Speaker 1: weird feeling like this is going to be remembered as

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Speaker 1: kind of a weak draft, which is unfortunate for You're

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Speaker 1: gonna make it what it is. Well, sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I hate when I hate when scouts

504
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Speaker 1: say that, because you got to go out and find players.

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Speaker 1: They're they're a Pro Bowl player, Absolutely find them. So

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Speaker 1: you just do, Bobby, And I've asked you this before, Brian,

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Speaker 1: Bobby wants to know where you think. And you know,

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Speaker 1: usually you're talking fourteen to twenty first round grades eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think the first here talent stops in

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Speaker 1: this draft? Well? I have eighteen first round. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm at right now. So that's you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: the people ask me about elite. I never used the

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Speaker 1: word like elite. You know, and I mean I try

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Speaker 1: to use where I used the word to describe the

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Speaker 1: ability that that Greg Hardy, but in a draft I

516
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Speaker 1: try not to so much. But I have eighteen first

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Speaker 1: round names, Stain, I don't know how many you have,

518
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: is well. And I just released my second top fifty

519
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Speaker 1: board today and to me, the top five guys are

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Speaker 1: my top tier, right, and that's tonsil at one jacket two,

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Speaker 1: so you can break it down that way. Yeah, three,

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Speaker 1: I have Ramsey Bosos my number four, and then Zeke

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Speaker 1: number five. I think those five guys are just a

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Speaker 1: little bit better than the rest. And then my second

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Speaker 1: tier I've got guys like Treadwell, Buckner, Sheldon Rankins, the

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Golf and Wentz, Ronnie Stanley, Darren Lee. I

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Speaker 1: think that second tier is more like a dozen guys,

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Speaker 1: fifteen guys. But that top tier for me, it just

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Speaker 1: does top five. Yeah, that's that's that's fair to say.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me even more recent to stand in

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Speaker 1: there and make a pick, right exactly. I just feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, training back, when you get into the second tier,

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Speaker 1: you listed a bunch of nice players. Sure, no doubt

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Speaker 1: you know, potential starters, potential starters, guys that could have

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Speaker 1: really nice careers. But you know, when you start talking

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Speaker 1: about Zeke, you start talking about Ramsey and Tonsil and

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00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: guys like that. You know, Bosa. Did you say Bosa

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Speaker 1: was one? Yeah? See, So that's for you know, for

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Speaker 1: you that it's worth standing in there and making a pick.

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Speaker 1: And one thing about trading back. I am not moving

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Speaker 1: back unless there's another first round pick involved. And not

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Speaker 1: just I mean you're moving back for another first round pick,

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Speaker 1: but I'm talking about a future first round pick, especially

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Speaker 1: if well, unless I'm moving like three or four spots.

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Speaker 1: But say like the Rams, you know, I get that

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Speaker 1: question a lot on Twitter moving back to fifteen plus

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Speaker 1: their two second rounders. I'm to move back ten plus spots.

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Speaker 1: I need at least a future first rounder to do

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Speaker 1: that to get out of the top five this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's you know what, that's that's an

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Speaker 1: interesting thought. I just don't think that you can hold

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Speaker 1: somebody up depending on mean, how bad, how bad they're.

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Speaker 1: They're honestly overpaying with the two ones. I mean, see

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Speaker 1: me with the with the two two. Yeah, But when

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: you're in a position like that, you hold sure, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do. You hold the cards. You're a right and

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm not holding my breath that it's going to happen. Right,

558
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Speaker 1: But if that's the only way I'm moving out, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna Two twos are nice, but give me a

560
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Speaker 1: future first rounder in order to do that? What if?

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Speaker 1: So what if I said that they would give you

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Speaker 1: one of their seconds and next year's first would you

563
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Speaker 1: take that over two seconds in this year's draft? Oh? Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Rams. So I don't

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Speaker 1: expect to be a playoff team. That's interesting because that

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Speaker 1: you would say, okay, we'll take take well, we'll take

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Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about it you I mean, sorry, Rams,

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Speaker 1: but maybe first half of the next year's first round,

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Speaker 1: first sixteen picks, you know, or first twelve if or

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Speaker 1: first twenty if they don't make the playoffs. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: so you're talking about having pick fourteen and then turn

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Speaker 1: around in fifteen years give me fifteen, pick fifteen, your

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Speaker 1: own thirty four forty three likely, and then next year's one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which could be high? Do that? Do that a heartbeat? Yeah? Hope?

575
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Which is there or another impact guy? So you would

576
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Speaker 1: you would? That would be an interesting way of looking

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Speaker 1: at it. I think people always think about, give me

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Speaker 1: the picks right now, let me do some damage in

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Speaker 1: this trap. But this guy has traded back and uh,

580
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, trading and picked up a one from that.

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Speaker 1: We've seen desperate teams move up and you know, give

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Speaker 1: away picks just because they they want to win right away.

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Speaker 1: They need to make an impact. And the Rams they

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Speaker 1: want a quarterback and never say I mean yeah more

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Speaker 1: so than their guy has to be there to order

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Speaker 1: to make that work. They need a quarterback. But let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this, So could they sit there with

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Speaker 1: what you know right now? You just put two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the middle of this draft. That's why not hold

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Speaker 1: my breath, you know. But if they get spooked that,

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Speaker 1: you know, a team like the Eagles are going to

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Speaker 1: move up, possibly into that top seven. The Niners they're

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Speaker 1: at seven, possibly taking a quarterback. You know, say Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz comes off the board. Jared Goff is the next

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Speaker 1: guy that these teams want. They get spooked about him

596
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Speaker 1: not lasting very long. They look for a trade partner.

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Speaker 1: You never know, it could be four. I bet it

598
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Speaker 1: would be the Cowboys that would spook them. Let's say

599
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: wins goes to the Cowboys draft golf at four, then

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Speaker 1: you're talking about really only having one of those big

601
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Speaker 1: three talents left and he's got to fall ten more spots.

602
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Speaker 1: But obviously the Cowboys would have their guy has to

603
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Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, and maybe this is a deal that

604
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Speaker 1: you work out beforehand. This is a decent segue from Daniel,

605
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Speaker 1: And it's gonna come down to preference. Really there's no

606
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Speaker 1: universal answer, But is there an order of the top

607
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Speaker 1: three picks that would really make you want to trade back? Like,

608
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Speaker 1: is there a way that you don't have a guy

609
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Speaker 1: there that you want or is that virtually impossible at four?

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Speaker 1: Let's I mean, let's paid to scenario where this would

611
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Speaker 1: be a perfect example of like where Tounsil falls to

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Speaker 1: four and you really don't want to do that. I don't,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think Tonsil will be if Dallas cowboy,

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Speaker 1: if he's there at for um, I don't know what

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00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: you think think about this, So I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: of it, because who would tend to see take other

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Speaker 1: than Tonsil, Ramsey, Ramsey. I think, say they go tackle

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Speaker 1: in free agency, I Ramseys, Okay, Sages Ramsey, and then

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Speaker 1: it goes wins and then I think it would have

620
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Speaker 1: to be. The thing is I think now San Diego

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Speaker 1: takes I don't know how they wouldn't pass on Tonsil

622
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Speaker 1: unless they have some bad medical stuff or you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the shoulder, right. I thinkin of that started to be

624
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit. Bosa would have to go

625
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Speaker 1: in the top three to really force the Cowboys into

626
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: wanting to do something like that. And I don't think

627
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Speaker 1: he will go top three. That's just my Maybe somebody

628
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: want to come up for Tunsil. That might be that

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Speaker 1: that might that might be more of an avenue than

630
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Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks. I think there's a bigger gap

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Speaker 1: between Tunsil and Stanley than people There's there's a real

632
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: big gap. I mean people talk about him being similar.

633
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Speaker 1: I don't think Conklin's the second best tackle on this draft.

634
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Speaker 1: There you go, but Baltimore picks six. They could probably

635
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: use the left tackle, right, Yeah, they just let their

636
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Speaker 1: guy go. Well night have Eugene Monroe that they signed,

637
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Speaker 1: but he can't stay healthy. They have to think about,

638
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, the future. Teams always will they always look

639
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: at these offensive tackles that would I could jack Conklin's

640
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: the second best tackle on this draft, that would be

641
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: I love it. Tounsil falling to four would be like, well,

642
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams falling to five or six whatever he fell

643
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: to last exact, and that's what we talk about. Tunsil's

644
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: not gonna fall. Leonard Williams fell to six last year.

645
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I thought, by far, or easily, the best player in

646
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: the draft last year. Yeah, it just you know, sometimes

647
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that happens. And you look at the Redskins picking number

648
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: five last year, they were I think they made their

649
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: minds up. They were taking Brandon Shuff. Yeah, so Leonard

650
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Williams fell to them, but they were like, you know what,

651
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: we were taking the offensive lineman. That's who we've been

652
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: planning on taking guard. I have it on good authority

653
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: that that pick would have been Lyle Collins in a

654
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: different universe, m if in fact, if in fact he

655
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: hadn't had any red flags. Yeah, isn't that fascinating? It is? Anyway,

656
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: um Andre has a real draft nerd question for y'all.

657
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: He wants to know if Malik Collins is a one

658
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: or three tech, and he's a three penetrating three, that's

659
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: his best. He's He's got a wrestling background, very quick

660
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: off the ball. I love the way you could attack gaps,

661
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: getting and get into the backfield and do some damage.

662
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: He's got him picked. He's he's a three tech project

663
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: him for me a third rounder. I got him in

664
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: the third. Yeah, I think that's Uh, these defensive tackle

665
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: class once that initial you know the fifteen, the fifty,

666
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: you know all those defense tackles are gonna come off

667
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: the board. Then you have that that next tier where

668
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: in the third round guys like Malik Jackson or MILIEK

669
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Collins and uh Hashan Hassan Ridgeway, these these Washington some

670
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: good Constellation prizes. If you don't get that defensive tackle early,

671
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: there's some still some good defensive talent. Uh, that's gonna

672
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: be in the third round quickly. Did can DJ hurt

673
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: himself or help himself? Yeah? That hurt bizarre like people

674
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: I gotta I was looking at him at thirty four.

675
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: I got a question about that. We talked about it

676
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: at the combine. I I'm starting to think that's not

677
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: even like far fetched, Like I think he'll I think

678
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: he'll be there, He'll be in that range. I have

679
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: him going to Denver right now at thirty one. That's

680
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: right there. So yeah, I think he's gonna be right

681
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: there in that conversations. The interview process is really what's

682
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: what it's all about for him. I mean, it just

683
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: seems so strange the way that all he rows people

684
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: the wrong way. He's got the off field stuff, the

685
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: way he I mean, the whole hell he threw tons. Yeah,

686
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: so that whole thing. Teams already knew that. It's not

687
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: like he outed tonsl to teams. Teams knew what was

688
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: going on in that room. So that's not a big thing.

689
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: But just that he would be so open about that

690
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: information to the media. You're just you're not thinking, is no?

691
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: And that's that's exactly he's not thinking. So what else

692
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: when you give him money, millions of dollars and he's

693
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: going to be out away from the facility, is he

694
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: going to be thinking? Can you trust him? And at

695
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: some point, just like Randy Gregory, he's worth it. You know,

696
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: he's worth the risk. You know you're going to roll

697
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the dice on these guys. For Kimdici, where is that

698
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: point where he's worth it? Is it thirty four? Is

699
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: it maybe further than that? Like Gregory was, It's a

700
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: fascinating case. He's a three technique though it sounds like

701
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: to me that this team has invested a lot of

702
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: money and a guy playing three technique give me one.

703
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because we get so much

704
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Baylor talk around here, but give me Billings. That's Billings

705
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: would be very interesting here. I feel I think that

706
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: would be phenomenal. He would you would rather somebody other

707
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: than Billings, wouldn't you know? I like Billings? But I

708
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: do think, yeah, there are better defensive tackles in this class.

709
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I have, uh what billions of my number

710
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: five defensive tackle? Okay, Sheldon Rankins to me, is the

711
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: top guy? Give me? Is he your number one? Is

712
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: he your first? One technique? No? I like him better

713
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: than three? Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking

714
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: about Billings. Billings Now, I like drawn read the top

715
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: one technique. So if read, if Reid was, if if

716
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: it came down to read or Billings at thirty four,

717
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm taking read. It's taking read, and then I think

718
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: there's an interesting conversation between Vernon Butler and Andrew Billings.

719
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: But who you would like better? There? I think? I mean,

720
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I do like Vernon Butler, Dan Turner will tell you

721
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: he's a big butler fan. I said Billings just the head.

722
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I said this last year, and I'm gonna

723
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: say it like it's it's just dumb if they don't

724
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: come out of these first four or so picks without

725
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle to add well, especially what you've seen

726
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: with Nick had Neighbor. It was a bridge one year.

727
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Now it's been a two year. I like Nick Haden

728
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: and I don't care. I don't mind if they bring

729
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: him back. But like, this draft is deep. You can

730
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: probably get a pretty damn good tackle at sixty seven,

731
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: let alone third. No, I don't disagree with you, but

732
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: I don't trust that they're gonna be One more question, okay, Dan,

733
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Dan says, and this is gonna be something that free

734
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: agency is gonna is gonna have a say in. But

735
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: Dallas needs a tight end. Okay, I don't think that's surprising. No,

736
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: he wants to know about Vanette or just in general,

737
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts at where and who this team could look

738
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: at tight end? Very ordinary tight end class. It's very blah.

739
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: It's hard to get too excited about these guys. But

740
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: with that said, there is talent um, you know, I

741
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: don't We're not gonna have a first round tight end

742
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: this year. I don't believe Hunter Henry get to the

743
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: first round. I just I can't see it. But Nick

744
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Vanette in the third round, fourth round? What about? What

745
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: about your guy Higbee? I like him, I just I

746
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: think the medicals are going to kill him. I think

747
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: he's he's a big athletic kid who can catch the

748
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: ball and stretch a scene. But I don't think he did.

749
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: The medicals were. What's the scary thing there? The Hooper

750
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: kid ran really really well from Stanford. He did. He

751
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: kind of a vanilla players tell I tested a lot

752
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: better than his tape. Sure you know on tape he

753
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't value at all. He's solid. I mean he's

754
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: a fourth round guy to me. Yeah, I like the

755
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Iowa player Krieger Kobel right this year. And then if

756
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: you're looking for a blocker, you know he's not going

757
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: to give you as much in the in the passing game,

758
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: but as a blocker, he's someone that brings value. David

759
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Morgan at US Texas and Antonio right in the later rounds.

760
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of sense. Yeah,

761
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: it's what's interesting about these to me about these tight ends,

762
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: and you said, there's if you look at and I'm

763
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: not one of the big the metrics guy, I'm not

764
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: really big. I'm trying to learn about that because I'm

765
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: fascinating because a lot of people ask questions, but they

766
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: will tell you the earlier in the draft you drafted

767
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: tight end, the better chance you have for success. Even

768
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: though here the Cowboys don't tell that to the Cowboys, right,

769
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys took one at two, but it first rounds,

770
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: second round tight ends tend to have more success or

771
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: more hit factor as opposed to if you get them

772
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: in the later rounds, like when they drafted Jeff Swain.

773
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: That that that they say that the metrics people tell you, hey,

774
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go for tight end, go early better

775
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: than late. So that's the kind of the dynamic that

776
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: they're into. Okay, we're gonna take our final break, and

777
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: when we get back, I want to get into the

778
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: running back question about Zeke and the possibility of the

779
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys taking him or anybody else for that matter.

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00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: Ken Garrison, Executive Producer. Want to get into a lot

816
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Speaker 1: of talk this week about the possibility of teams looking

817
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: at looking at Ezekiel Elliott and especially this football team.

818
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick came out and put the coal to the

819
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: fire a little bit about the possibilities a little bit right, Yeah,

820
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and Lewis is a you know, former personnel guys talking

821
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: about Eagles. He's lived this, uh you know, he's had

822
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: his ups and down since we've all had in this league.

823
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: But an interesting thought about when people sit down and

824
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: watch the tape of Ezekiel Elliott and talk to him

825
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: and and why he should be considered a top five

826
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: player on a lot of people's sports, but also consideration

827
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: to be select in the top five, And I wanted

828
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: to know your guy's thoughts on that. I think, I mean,

829
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: it's not like this is breaking, is we you know,

830
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Zeke right since we started how

831
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: how specially is and what I think it is is

832
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these top ten guys, top twelve to

833
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: fifteen guys. As teams dive in more and more and

834
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: coaches get involved, they're starting to see more warts and

835
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: so it's not that Zeke is necessarily rising as it is.

836
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: You know, teams are becoming more comfortable drafting running back

837
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: that high because he is such a safe pick in

838
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: terms of the talent. I mean, his weaknesses they're you're nitpicking.

839
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he just doesn't have those glaring weaknesses, those

840
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: negatives to his game that would preclude you. Besides the

841
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: fact that he just plays running back, and this factor

842
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: in this isn't a great running back class, factor in

843
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: that this top ten doesn't have the you know, generational talents.

844
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: There's some good talent in his top ten, but not

845
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the elite guys. And it's easy to see why a

846
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: team the top ten is going to consider Zeke Elliott

847
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: and I do think he goes somewhere top twelve. I

848
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: don't know where it's. I think it's gonna be like

849
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: last year with the Rams, a team that you know,

850
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: the Rams never came up last year and we talked

851
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: about Todd Gurley, you know, And I think it's going

852
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: to be like that this year. Zeke's going to go

853
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: to a team that maybe doesn't have that glaring hole

854
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: at running back, but at some point he's just too

855
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: good to pass up. You Okay with the say having

856
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: Zeke for five years and then moving on to another guy,

857
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: you know that at that premium of a pick. When

858
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: we started this, I you know, I love you well,

859
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: I loved I loved Zeke from the beginning. He's right

860
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: up there with Well. I mean, I'm biased toward the

861
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: explosive offensive playmakers. But you know, I used to you know,

862
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: trade back to nine, ten, eleven and then take him

863
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: because that sounds more appealing. And now again, for the

864
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: most part, I'm not blown away by the guys at

865
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: the top of this draft. I mean, in general terms,

866
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: I think you look at it. Yeah, I mean I

867
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: just looked this up. Amari Cooper was the fourth pick

868
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: last year. He's on a four year deal worth twenty

869
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: two million. So you're talking about paying Zeke five point

870
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: five mill, which is more than you probably want to

871
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: pay a running back, But isn't that much in the

872
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. You got him under team control

873
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: for five years. And yeah, Stephen Jones talked about this

874
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: at the combine too. When you're picking this high in

875
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: the draft, you want to eight to ten year cornerstone

876
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: type of player. Running back is a little different, which

877
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: he even said, but like, who cares. If you've got

878
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott for five years guaranteeing you, you know, barring

879
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: no injuries or freak circumstances, pro Bowl type production the

880
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: next five years, why isn't that worth a top five pick? Well,

881
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: I think we both, all three of us agree He's

882
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: one of the top five players in this draft, no doubt.

883
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: But the better question right now is does would this

884
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: team take him at four? And I mean, knowing what

885
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: they how they viewed the running back position, how it's

886
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: gone the past few years, all the picks and money

887
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: they've invested in the offensive line, would they take a

888
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: running back at four. I have my doubts that they would.

889
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that they would even need to

890
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: be able to run the football. I mean, that's true,

891
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: but you know, you talk about Darren McFadden proving what

892
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: this line is capable of. You talk about the Dixons

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: and Henry's of the world. Who are there for you

894
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: in the second and third round? I'm forgetting somebody who's

895
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: pretty damn good booker on Collins, and there's there's a

896
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of these, you know. And then I mean there's

897
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: the free age. There's a free agent market too. I mean,

898
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: seven days from now, who's a question who knows will

899
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: be on this team? It's a question. The names always

900
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: gets thrown out there like a littlemar Miller. I mean,

901
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: you just said the numbers of what you're gonna pay.

902
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: The reason the reason that Lamar Miller gets thrown around

903
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: a lot. It's because he's young, he's got relatively low

904
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: mileage on him. Um, but you're still you'd have to

905
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: give him more than what you're giving Zeke. Sure, he's

906
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: three to four years older than Zeke. He's got he's

907
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: got four years worth of NFL mileage on him. And overall,

908
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, you would would see better. You

909
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: sound like to me that you would enter that scenario.

910
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: You would rather go for a young always. I would

911
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: always rather have the young guy. And even I mean

912
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: even at a top five pick, that contract isn't going

913
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: to come back to bite you in the way that

914
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: a big free agent contract could. He scares you the least,

915
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: doesn't he? Right of the guys. You know, my favorite

916
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: player in this draft is well documented. It's Miles Jack.

917
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: But now I'm sweating a March fifteenth workout in Westwood, right,

918
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, my, my, my, my, my whole being, and

919
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: I could be sweating. You know, I want him, whether

920
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: it's here or somewhere else. I want him to go

921
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: and play and have a great career. But it's come

922
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: down to, like, you know, there's there's hit that questions

923
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: about him there's questions about with Joey Bosa, you know,

924
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff. Let's not act like that.

925
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Noah Spence weren't like hanging out together and

926
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: doing things together and you know all those things. There's

927
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: there's some things that people are going to have to

928
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: dig in on Joey Bosa. There's the position flexibility question

929
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: of Ramsey. Where do you play him? Where where is

930
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: he If you play him at one, well you could

931
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: probably say, well, if he's not very good, we'll move

932
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: him to the other one. Well, that's what I was

933
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: saying about. You know, there's a lot of talent in

934
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: this class, but in terms of questions that you have

935
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: about him, Zeke is the one that you just you're

936
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: not worried about. You're not. I mean the biggest concern

937
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: you have is what he said after the Michigan State

938
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: game about calling out his coaches in the play which

939
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: we watched the tape. He was right, Has anybody disagree

940
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: with what? And he he was an immature moment. I

941
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: mean he's known as the team guy. Yeah, exactly, He's

942
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: known as the ultimate team Just watches blocking and tell

943
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: me that he's not a team guy. I mean just

944
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: that's who he is and so one immature moment is

945
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: not going to define him. It reminds me of the

946
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: quarterback debate, which I mean I've been you know, nobody

947
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: really feels one hundred percent sure about any of these quarterbacks.

948
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: Are you're going to take a quarterback that you have

949
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: seventy five percent confidence in at four over a guy

950
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: that you have ninety percent confidence in? And I mean

951
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting yeah, would ideally want to take a running

952
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: back at four? Not really? But if I feel ninety

953
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: five percent sure that Zeke is going to be a beast,

954
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: and I don't feel that good about anybody else, why

955
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: the hell not? You know, well, that brings up another

956
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: discussion about you know, like with Joey Bosa, people talking

957
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: about how he's already near a ceiling. Since when did

958
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: that become a negative? You know, if you have a

959
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: better idea of what you're getting with the Joey Bosa,

960
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: that's appealing to me because I don't have as much projection,

961
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: it's a little it's less ready board. Yeah, exactly. He

962
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: can come in right now and help my team, and

963
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting where with another pass Rusher. Maybe, Um,

964
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: it's more of a projection. Could he be better down

965
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: the road, Yeah, but it's more of a projection, So

966
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact. So with guys

967
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: like Zeke and Bosa, who are ready to come in

968
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: from day one, I have a great idea who they're

969
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: going to be as pros. That's very appealing. So there's

970
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: no defensive player that you would take Elliott over that's

971
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: currently on this board, right, I mean in that for

972
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: number four, Well, you know, I'm gonna stick to my

973
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: top fifty, my top five tonsils number one, Jack was

974
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: number two, right Ramsey three, right, Bosa four, and then

975
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Zeke five. Okay, so you're you're locked into three defensive guys.

976
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: I think those three aren't assimilar. If any one of

977
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: those guys were on the board for you at four,

978
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: you would take them over taken. Yes, how about the

979
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: names he just gave you behind? I mean, if they

980
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: take Joey Bosa, I'm fine with it. If they take

981
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, I'm better than fine. I mean, that's great.

982
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: He's a versatile guy. I mean, I think he could

983
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: be a solid player at either position. But I'm sitting

984
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: here thinking and I know the draft is about five

985
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: years in the future, it's not so much about twenty sixteen.

986
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: But assuming nothing crazy happens, if the Cowboys drafted his

987
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Ekil Elliott, I'd feel comfortable putting money on him being

988
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: offensive rookie of the year. Yeah. I mean, and he's

989
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna help you control the clock. He's a threat to

990
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: run for a thousand yards. He's gonna help there. And

991
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: McFadden stay healthy, he can block block, Yeah, all this

992
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: good stuff. And you know, we saw what DeMarco Murray

993
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: did for this offense in twenty fourteen in terms of

994
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: ball control, clock control. That's the way Jason Garrett wants

995
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: to play. Then I look over, I thought Byron Jones

996
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: had a great rookie year. What really really tangible impact

997
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: did he make? Though? True? And I mean, is it

998
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: fair to expect more from Jalen Ramsey? Is it fair

999
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: to expect more from Joey Bosa than what you got

1000
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: from DeMarcus Lawrence, which is no regular season sacks or

1001
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory for that matter, regular season sacks. I mean,

1002
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: somebody did the math on this. I'm not going to

1003
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: take credit for it, but somebody out on Twitter came

1004
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: up with the fantastic stat that average rookie sack production

1005
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL is two and a half or three. Yeah. Yeah,

1006
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: so that was you're telling me that I could have

1007
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: eleven twelve hundred rushing yards and rookie Pro Bowl candidate

1008
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: if if verse that, and I know, I mean, Moosa

1009
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: becomes what but McFadden gives you ele one hundred rushing

1010
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: hards It doesn't issue. Yeah he does. But but I mean,

1011
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: if I mean, anybody listening to this podcast is probably

1012
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: well aware of McFadden's deficiencies, which you saw last year.

1013
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Ezekiel Elliot it made it healthwise, he made

1014
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: it through he did which was an upset. Can you

1015
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: count on that? Can you count on that? Again? You

1016
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: can't how many r I would say McFadden probably have

1017
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: four or five runs that were touchdowns. If he's got

1018
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's legs and speed, that's fascinating because yards, I believe,

1019
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: as much as they've invested in this offensive line, yeah,

1020
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: they don't need to invest a top five resource into

1021
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: a running back, but Zeke is just so appealing. If

1022
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: they did, though, and I and all of this stuff

1023
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I just said, I don't really believe at the end

1024
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: of the day that they would take him at four,

1025
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: but it certainly is interesting to think about. And what

1026
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: if what if you took what if he took Zeke

1027
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: at at four and you turn around and draft and

1028
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: drafted Prescott in the third? Now, how and and that's

1029
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: the and that and now you're talking about you got

1030
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: a runner, a receiver, and a young offensive line. How

1031
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: does that help Dak Prescott transition into being the future

1032
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys or Cardel Jones? Okay, well

1033
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: I kidding, I know, yea, but how does that? Let's go,

1034
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yes, better, hope the defense stops somebody,

1035
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: because that's the way if you're adding these offensive players,

1036
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: that's great. But better I mean, that's I mean, And

1037
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: that's let me ask you this though, Would you feel

1038
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: better about Would you feel better about draft and Zeke

1039
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: if Randy Gregory did get three sacks and didn't have

1040
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: this suspension hanging over his head? Yeah, for sure that

1041
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: you might not lean towards taken Bosa. You know that

1042
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: you might you say, well, you know what, we feel

1043
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: good about what's going on over here. If you're drafting Bosa.

1044
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: I hope it's not because of a knee jerk reaction

1045
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: to Randy Gregor anyway. I mean, there's there's more to

1046
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: their need on the defensive line than just the fact

1047
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: that Randy Gregory's a slappy and the no the no

1048
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: sacks thing doesn't worry, but it's more the I just

1049
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: don't know if we can trust him off the field.

1050
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: I mean, this is he's gonna miss the first four

1051
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: games and then what happens, and it's kind of like

1052
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: a job might play twelve games and then he's he's

1053
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: got a problem. Yeah, you know, you just can't. You

1054
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: just don't know. It's so easy for these guys to

1055
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: slip up. It's hard to trust them. Okay, I look

1056
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: forward to revisiting this when free agency has settled a

1057
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: little bit. I'd say there's gonna be there's gonna be

1058
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: three or four guys that are not currently in the

1059
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: conversation that will be members of this team in the

1060
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: next two weeks, and then another you know, Lance dunbar Um,

1061
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: James Hannah, Jack Crawford. Maybe these guys are not in

1062
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: the conversation anymore, maybe they're somewhere else in the league.

1063
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: So Okay, I don't know. It's it's gonna be interesting

1064
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: to talk. I'm on board because I'm with you guys.

1065
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm on with the production. I'm on with the fact

1066
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: that minimize my risk. But give me, give me that

1067
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: guy that I think could be a difference maker. I

1068
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: think and I wasn't even old enough to really and

1069
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: truly remember this, which is gonna make a lot of

1070
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: people upset. But I mean, I think about how easily

1071
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: successful Emmett Smith was when he first came into the league,

1072
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: and how I mean it was almost effortless because of

1073
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: the pieces that were in place around offensive blind quarterback.

1074
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: Who's like fever, Who's going to be happier about Ezekiel

1075
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: Elliott being in his backfield than Tony Romo for these

1076
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: last two to four years of his career depending on

1077
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: two to four. I like a straight whatever it is

1078
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: that he actually winds up playing one game to four years. Jerry,

1079
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Jerry thinks he'll be here for six more years. You

1080
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: think he'll be here for two. Somebody thinks he's going

1081
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to have break his neck on the snap of the

1082
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: next seas going to take a day by day Thanks coach,

1083
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, Well that's a good discussion. All right, Hey, Ken,

1084
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the program over you because I'm looking

1085
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: and we have about five minutes left in the show

1086
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: and I want to get some callers in. So if

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00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: you got it lined up again the numbers eight eight

1088
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven. Again, we're

1089
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: all doing well. Get your question right, your question. I

1090
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: want to get us to as many calls as I

1091
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: can and give everybody an opportunity to chime in. So

1092
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: can't you gotta go ahead? Yeah, Bradley and DC go ahead.

1093
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: Hey guys, thanks again. So this may be being nitpicky,

1094
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: but as far as the quarterback conversation goes with wins

1095
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: and Golf, I think that Wentz may be overdrafted because

1096
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: he does have the measurables. But looking at Golf, I

1097
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: think he has a better feel for the game. And

1098
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: when I say still, I like the way he climbs

1099
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: the pocket better. And what I noticed with Wentz is

1100
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: whenever pressure comes, he seems to kind of run out

1101
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 1: or kind of get he gets flustered when pressure comes.

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00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: And I like the way that Wentz moves in a

1103
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: elevator in a smart area. I mean of golf moves

1104
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: in a smart area. So if y'all get to speak

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00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: on that, that'd be great. And Brian, thanks, plea's taking

1106
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: my questions on what squitter. I appreciate it, no problem, man,

1107
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: thanks for getting back at me on that's pretty accurate snapshot. Yeah,

1108
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: he's doing his work right, I mean, that's there are

1109
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: times definitely we watch Wentz on tape, he feels the ghosts,

1110
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: he hears the noise, and he prematurely gets out of

1111
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: the pocket, uses his legs. So he knows he's athletic

1112
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: and he can move around, and so he takes advantage

1113
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: of that. But a lot of times you'd love to

1114
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: see him stick in the pocket. Maybe go be a

1115
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: little quicker going from one to two to three in

1116
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: his reads, where golf is already at an advanced level

1117
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: in terms of seeing the field at natural feel for

1118
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: his progressions and he feels pressure a lot better. So

1119
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: it makes it tough because whence absolutely he wins in

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00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: the measurable department. I mean, you take the decal off

1121
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: the helmet and Wentz is everything you want in a

1122
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: quarterback in terms of just the way he looks and

1123
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: the ball comes off his hand. But is golf just

1124
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: a little bit better and turn of the mental process

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00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: and the way he uses his feet, and will that

1126
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: be able to make him an overall better quarterback in

1127
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: the NFL? Golf takes a beating and you could watch.

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00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: We watched him on tape the other night. We were

1129
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: watching the cow U. Yeah, they're running back and all

1130
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's throwing the ball. He's standing there

1131
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: and he's ripping it down the middle and he's taking

1132
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: a guy's hitting him in the chest, left tackle, right tackle.

1133
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: They're all bad. So yeah, he's he offensive. No favorite

1134
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: wins is coming from a program that won a national

1135
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: title in five straight seasons, and golf was the quarterback

1136
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: of a one and eleven team. Would they go like

1137
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: eight and five this year? That it was a huge jump,

1138
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: all right, Kim, Yeah, Sam and san Antonio Sam, Hey, guys,

1139
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: I first want to say, um, as far as a

1140
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: lost feelings about Joey Boss, I'm definitely afraid that the

1141
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: Cowboy's gonna pick him. I do not want of him.

1142
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I would take I would even take learning punsel if

1143
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: he was there. I mean, I know he's raided very

1144
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: highly in that amount of New Povision for US. I

1145
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: would take uh heck, I would take running back out

1146
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: at home Ohio State. I do not want Joey Bosa.

1147
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be reready solid and nothing more.

1148
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: And at that at that position, I want to see

1149
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: somebody who's catalytic, who was special, and I mean to me,

1150
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: he had what he had several first and second round

1151
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: talent guys along that front seven and I don't think

1152
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be able to go and be you know,

1153
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: a let's say DeMarcus Ware type or whatever. But he's

1154
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: just he's just not. I do not want Joey Bosa

1155
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: at all at number four. I wouldn't even want him

1156
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: at fourteen. I'm being honest with you, but honestly, I

1157
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: will love I'm in love with Jay Ramley, Miles jack

1158
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: But if I was wondering what you guys thought about it, um,

1159
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Chicaboys get Ramsey at four, assuming

1160
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: he was even making there, and then go back in

1161
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: the second round and try to get William Jackson and

1162
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: double down and really turn that that position into all

1163
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: strength and they want to get your starts. Y'all have

1164
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: a great day, fellas. Right, thanks. I appreciate that. I

1165
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: feel like I'm guilty of killing Bosa. It's all your fault.

1166
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna I mean, I feel like and I

1167
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill I just it was my opinion.

1168
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: If we're in a bit of a Joey Bosa echo chamber, yeah,

1169
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: like that's kind of and you know it's my opinion.

1170
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Dane likes him a lot, and Dane could absolutely be

1171
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: right about the player, and you know, it happens. And

1172
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: I compared him to Greg Ellis. I compared Himcgreg Ellis

1173
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: on the production on the six to eight sacks and

1174
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: and and and unfair or not, that's what I saw.

1175
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: And if people, if Sam and those guys, everybody's doing

1176
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: their own work and they're trying to find out, Hey,

1177
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, watching these games, that's okay. I

1178
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: feel like that I'm responsible for killing the guy. I

1179
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill the guy. I just pointed out

1180
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: what I see. But I think I'm online with him

1181
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: though one of the main things can be good but

1182
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: not great, one of the main issues, I think. And

1183
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: caller kind of said that he doesn't think he's gonna

1184
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: be DeMarcus Ware. Nobody is, but yeah, he shouldn't be

1185
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: compared to it. I shouldn't be compared to him. But

1186
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, Okay, it's a fourth overall pick,

1187
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna you know, they translate the fourth overall

1188
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: pick too future hall of famer, you know, But that's

1189
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: just not always the case. I mean, this draft doesn't

1190
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: have those generational guys that are going to be able

1191
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: to come in and you know, make that type of

1192
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: impact that de Marcus Ware did, So he shouldn't be

1193
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: compared to the DeMarcus Ware. But I don't know, I don't.

1194
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: To me, I see it on the tape. I see

1195
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: a guy that the techniques there. I mean, he doesn't

1196
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: need to be an elite speed guy to win. I

1197
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: mean his testing numbers were very good and the three

1198
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: cone in short shuttle was the only two or the

1199
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: main two drills I care about for the pass rusher position.

1200
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: So to me, nothing has changed. I think both. I

1201
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: understand maybe if you think he's a six to eight

1202
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: sack guy, totally get that. I'm not convinced he's going

1203
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: to be a double digit sack guy. But I don't

1204
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: think he need to be a double digit sack guy.

1205
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: Had to impact the pocket. And you know, like I said,

1206
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: von Miller had eleven sacks last year. See, yeah, you

1207
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: don't need to be a double digit sac guy to

1208
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: impact the pocket consistently. Yeah. I just I worry about

1209
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,479
Speaker 1: Chris Long. I worry about I worry about the guy

1210
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: that plays and gets war down in week you know,

1211
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: week fourteen, you're you're fighting for a playoff spot, and

1212
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's not. I saw Chris Long

1213
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: do that this year. I saw looks great a week one.

1214
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: By week fourteen, he's wore down, thirty years old now,

1215
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: but the same he's the same type of player a

1216
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: lot of Similarly, Chris Long had some pretty damn good

1217
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: years when he was That's what I'm saying. And and

1218
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: if he if he you know, if he has a

1219
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: career like that, that's fine. But I'm just saying, though,

1220
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: to me, I'm trying to think about I want that.

1221
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I want that difference maker. And I think and I

1222
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a really good football player. I'm

1223
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: not gonna say he's gonna be great. I think he's

1224
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a good football It would be one thing

1225
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: if if this was the Jaguars sorry for throwing that

1226
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: out though, but well, uh, this is a team that

1227
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: hasn't been top five in twenty seven years, and from

1228
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: the fans perspective, I just think they want something that's

1229
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: going to move the needle a little bit more. And

1230
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,479
Speaker 1: I apologize to you. You could be right about Boss.

1231
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: I would accept it if I'm wrong. I think we all,

1232
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean me included, we all like Ramsey better. So yeah,

1233
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: if Sam wants Ramsey, Yeah, all right, listen, that's all

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01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: the time we have today for the Draft Show. I

1235
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: want to specially thank Scott Purcell and Dave Urns and

1236
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Blake Silverthorne for kind of setting all this up for us.

1237
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: I want to thank Dane Burglar, David Hellman, and Ken Garrison.

1238
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: I want to thank you everybody out there for your tweets,

1239
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: for your calls. Bradley, Sam, we appreciate you, guys. We'll

1240
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: be back next week. We'll dive into some more, we'll

1241
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: be a little bit closer to this draft. If you

1242
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to sit down and look at these players,

1243
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: formulate your own opinion and go from there. So for

1244
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: my crew here, we'll see you next time on the

1245
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: Draft Show.