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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend at WCSC. That was

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Speaker 1: Bill's sharp describing what happened. If you go to crime

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, and also with me victim, child victim turned

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Speaker 1: survivor Alicia Kozakevich, now stride an activist, doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: joining me from the heart of psycho analysis. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about Prague. I'm talking about Rodeo drive Boy.

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Speaker 1: Do they need to shrink? And so do we also

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Speaker 1: with me, former federal prosecutor, first ever national coordinator for

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Speaker 1: Child Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction. That's a mouthful. Francy Higgs

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Speaker 1: is with me and forensics expert, the founder of Bare

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Speaker 1: Bones Consulting, Karen Smith. Right now to Anne Emerson, our

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Speaker 1: friend at ABC News for in Charleston, an nobody noticed

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Speaker 1: I know he's tired. I'm awake, it's at but he

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Speaker 1: goes straight to sleep. Sure, as this has been a

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Speaker 1: level you know, maybe this dad did that. He gets

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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and go to

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Speaker 1: the bathroom and then he notices his son's gone. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's how it happened. So I don't know the story there,

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Speaker 1: but of course, smart Tait, I knew you'd blame the parents.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. What about you're a potential client, the

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: guy that lured him on snapchat? What about him? Thank you?

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00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that that person would be somebody that I

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Speaker 1: would rather look into allowing the criminal authorities to charging.

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Speaker 1: And I would like rather than becoming involved in defending

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Speaker 1: this brother on behalf of the family file a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: against him for illegally luring their child, and I think

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Speaker 1: he has civil liability for that as well as criminal

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Speaker 1: life civil liability. My rear end, this dude's going to jail.

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Speaker 1: Of course he didn't. Oh, absolutely, he is going to jail.

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00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: But there are many cases, many right here in Savannah, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: where the criminal justice system, while affect well being as

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Speaker 1: effective as they could, failed to get jail time against people,

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00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: men that I know personally because I sued them when

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00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: they have raped thirteen year old girls and guys have

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Speaker 1: walked with zoo Rod jail time because of the DA's

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Speaker 1: fear of proving a number of things. Whereas Jackie, Jackie, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: look at my arm. Jackie look at my arm when

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Speaker 1: he said get off, walk free after raping a thirteen

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Speaker 1: year old child. Look at the chill bumps going up

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Speaker 1: my arms. No, no, what, I'm leaving the studio. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go check on the twins right now because Mark

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00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Tate had just scared me out of my skin crime

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Charleston Klise have now reunited an

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Speaker 1: eleven year old boy from Simpsonville with his family after

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Speaker 1: the boy drove two hundred miles throughout the night. Police

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Speaker 1: say that the boy was going out to the coast

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Speaker 1: to meet a man he met on snapchat. Around midnight,

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Speaker 1: the boy pulled up alongside an officer and told him

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Speaker 1: that he had just driven three hours and he was

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Speaker 1: lost because his GPS signal didn't work. That's our friend

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Speaker 1: at w lt X, anchored Darcy Strickland speaking and with

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Speaker 1: us from ABC News for Charleston and Emerson. But first

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Speaker 1: to Alicia kaza Kevic. Alicia, tell me how an innocent

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Speaker 1: child you were just thirteen. My children are about to

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Speaker 1: turn twelve, and our big decision is is Lucy really

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Speaker 1: going to get her ears pierced. I've tried to scare

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Speaker 1: her away for twelve years, talking about oozing infections in

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Speaker 1: anything I could, But I think the time has come

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Speaker 1: and that's our big question. Okay, and John David's big

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Speaker 1: question is for his birthday, are they going to go

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Speaker 1: to a trampoline house? And are they going to have pizza?

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Hot dogs? That's what they should be worried about, but

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Speaker 1: instead you had to worry about a predator. And this child,

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00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: unwittingly has been exposed to a predator. How does a

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Speaker 1: child get lulled into to taking their brother's car and

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Speaker 1: driving twelve hours in the dark to go live with

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Speaker 1: a man on Snapchat? Children are naive and it's easy

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Speaker 1: to do the child, and really the whole goal is

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Speaker 1: pretending to be a child's friend, and most children have

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Speaker 1: some levels insecurity. You can I had all the love

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00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: in the world with my parents, and yet I still

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00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: at times self alone. And at some point in time,

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Speaker 1: every child is vulnerable and when it comes to making decisions,

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Speaker 1: children's brains aren't developed to make those sort of decisions

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Speaker 1: and they are at high risk and low impulse control

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Speaker 1: and sometimes makes mistakes, but an adult should never take

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Speaker 1: advantage of or exploit those mistakes. And it's so sad

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Speaker 1: that yes, also, Alicia, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, I

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Speaker 1: think it's like I'm going to francied away in on

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Speaker 1: this too, Francy hags Bethany. It's like putting your toe

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Speaker 1: in the hot water. It's okay, and you get used

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Speaker 1: to it. Suddenly you realize you're boiling. And I think predators,

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Speaker 1: Laura Child, like they did when I was prosecuting. Not

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Speaker 1: over the internet, but I remember one little boy loved

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Speaker 1: arcades and he met this guy in an arcade and

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Speaker 1: the guy would slip him a quarter. Then suddenly he

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00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: was annually sodomizing him at his home for a roll

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Speaker 1: of quarters. And as mom had no idea what was

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Speaker 1: happening until she found a ten dollar bill in her

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00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: little boy's pocket and did not know where that came from.

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Speaker 1: Same thing online. It's a bit by bit, quarter by

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Speaker 1: quarter than a roll of quarters. Next thing you know,

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Speaker 1: you've been molested. Danthy, You're absolutely correct. First of all,

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Speaker 1: children become attached. It's a part of our survival system.

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Speaker 1: When they meet another person who befriends them and makes

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Speaker 1: them feel special, they will attached to that person if

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Speaker 1: they're psychologically healthy. Secondly, when the child begins to betray

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Speaker 1: their own parents by telling secrets and the perpetrator says, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know your parents didn't understand you about

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Speaker 1: this or that, the child gets drawn in and ensnared

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Speaker 1: and then begins to feel guilty and blame himself or herself.

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Speaker 1: The child places a certain amount of authority on the perpetrator.

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Speaker 1: The child is lulled into a sense that this perpetrator

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Speaker 1: is going to be okay and is going to be

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Speaker 1: on their side. I think what parents need to have

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Speaker 1: is an imaginative capacity to understand what can happen online.

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Speaker 1: If you were sitting in a park watching your child

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Speaker 1: play on the playground, some stranger came up and started

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Speaker 1: to befriending them, someone with an inappropriate age gap started

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Speaker 1: to become authoritative over your child, you would walk up

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Speaker 1: and intervene right away. Well, let me just say, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: I would have his DNA under my fingernails. There's just

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Bethany, absolutely, absolutely so just because

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Speaker 1: you can't see it does not mean it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: We know that that predators congregate around schools, bus stops,

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Speaker 1: at churches, they become choir directors, they become teachers. They

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Speaker 1: also go online. It's just that we what Nasha is

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00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: doing is she's painting a picture for all of us.

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Speaker 1: Francy Haykes helped me out. I don't understand so much

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Speaker 1: about this, and you're right. Snapchap servers are designed to

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Speaker 1: automatically delete messages sent in one on one chat after

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00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: both snapchatters have opened and left the chat. You can

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Speaker 1: say the chat by pressing and holding it, but according

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Speaker 1: to you, it's also kept on the server. It's never

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Speaker 1: really deleted. But Francy, how did nobody notice him driving

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Speaker 1: twelve hours? He's eleven years old? And Nancy, that's a

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00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: great question, and it's hard to understand. It's always hard

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Speaker 1: to understand when looking back at these crimes, how they

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Speaker 1: took place. Why did the child feel the need to

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Speaker 1: leave his home in the middle of the night. Why

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00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: is he so desperate or so hopeful that he steals

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Speaker 1: his family car at eleven when he certainly knows he's

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00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: not old? Enough or able to drive and drive two

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00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: hundred miles to meet this man. And you have to

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00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: assume that Alicia is correct. And I'm sure in the

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00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: days and weeks ahead will learn more. But this predator

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00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: was diabolically clever. As many of these people are those

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00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: who have a sexual interest in children. They have a

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00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: preferential sexual interest in children. They think and fantasize about

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00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: how they're going to get access to and they're adults.

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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: They're smart, they're clever, and they're motivated, and so they

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00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: know exactly what to do or say. They study children.

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00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: They spend time in the same place as children spend

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00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: time in playing games that they play, learning the interests

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00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: of children in their age of sexual interest, and so

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00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: they know exactly what to say to lure an eleven

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Speaker 1: year old out of his house. This person was so clever,

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Speaker 1: which in my mind makes him infinitely more dangerous than

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Speaker 1: the idiot who might stand around on the playground and

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00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: be spotted by a parent. This guy is so much

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Speaker 1: more dangerous because of his heightened cleverness and his ability

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Speaker 1: to lure a child like this. It is frightening. Parents

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00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: should be scared, and I hope they're all having conversations

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: with their kids today. Well, I've got a question. Mark Tate,

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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer out of the Savannah jurisdiction. I think

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen is the defense lawyer is not

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Speaker 1: going to say anything until they see what the state's

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Speaker 1: evidence is. Because if they commit to a defense like

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00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: he's never met this kid who knows anything, and then

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00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: it shows his computer they're having conversations, I mean a

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Speaker 1: conversation may not be enough to convict him. It may

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00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: not be You're exactly right, and you know, while this

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Speaker 1: scares criminal defendants or even people under investigation, I always

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00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: tell my clients that you don't need to talk to

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Speaker 1: the police, and you have a right against self incrimination

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00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and you should exercise that right. And yeah, the police

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00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: are probably going to go ahead and arrest you when

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Speaker 1: you do that, because they already know the answers or

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Speaker 1: believe they do to the questions you're trying to ask you.

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Speaker 1: But you're just going to have to kind of listen

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00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: to the advice and do not talk to the police.

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: And just because you don't commence talking to them when

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00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: they want you to, does not mean that you can't

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: come back and decide to talk to them, And like

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Speaker 1: I said, you're under no obligation to talk to the police,

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00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and a good criminal defense lawyer will tell this reprobate

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: that and then that way you're not incriminating yourself. But

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00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: there's another factor that you got to keep in mind.

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to talk to them, but if you

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00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: make a mistake without a lawyer and do speak with them,

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00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: then you cannot lie. And if you lie to them,

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00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: in addition to the underlying serious crimes, you're also going

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00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: to get charged with obstruction and so and they're very

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00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: keen on that. And as your former federal prosecutor pointed out,

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00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: you know the FBI is going to be involved in this,

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Speaker 1: and they are really the elite of our on the

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Speaker 1: ground federal prosecution. And they already know the answers to

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Speaker 1: the questions they want you to provide answers to well,

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Speaker 1: speaking of already knowing the answers to the questions, Alicia,

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Speaker 1: because kevitch with me child a victim, survivor, now crusader, Alicia,

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: when when you went out of your home after that

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Speaker 1: wonderful holiday meal with your family, you go outside, you

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Speaker 1: told me you had an inkling this is dangerous, and

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00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: then suddenly it was too late. When did you realize,

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Speaker 1: like this little boy would have realized, I'm in big

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00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: trouble for me? My intuition spoke up once I was

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Speaker 1: away from the technology, away from just that. In that

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00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: quiet moment standing outside, I heard this little voice saying,

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Speaker 1: go home, turn around, this is dangerous. And when I did,

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00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: it was too late. And the moment I knew it

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00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: was absolutely too late was the second I was in

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Speaker 1: that car. I knew I was no longer in control

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Speaker 1: of my life, and that every second counted and everything

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Speaker 1: that I did would matter to get to that next second.

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Speaker 1: Alicia with me, Alicia Kazakevitch, For those listeners that have

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00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: not heard your story, please explain what happened to you

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Speaker 1: and what could have happened to this little boy. I

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00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: met somebody online who I thought was a friend. And

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Speaker 1: this was really before there was there were any stories

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00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: like mine to go off of. There was no internet

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Speaker 1: safety education. There wasn't anything for my parents to talk

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Speaker 1: about other than stranger danger. So I didn't have that

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Speaker 1: knowledge that we had today. But I stepped outside to

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Speaker 1: meet the person who had groomed me for about nine months,

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Speaker 1: and I thought the person was my friend, and he

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00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: kidnapped me. And he took me from my tips with

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania home to Virginia and helped me captive in his

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Speaker 1: basement dungeon, and I was raped and beaten and tortured

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Speaker 1: and kept chewing to the floor. Miraculously I was rescued

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Speaker 1: because he was live streaming what he was doing to

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Speaker 1: me to other people online, and somebody was able to

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Speaker 1: recognize my faith in the missing poster as the little

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Speaker 1: girl in this I read this video, put that together

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Speaker 1: and called law enforcement, and I'm just I'm so lucky

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Speaker 1: to be here, and with that second chance at life,

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Speaker 1: I've devoted my existence, my life to keeping other children safe.

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Speaker 1: I started speaking out when I was fourteen, and it's

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Speaker 1: so awful that these stories are still happening. I knew

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Speaker 1: back then that it would get worse. Back at no times,

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Speaker 1: it was my space and there was barely WiFi, and

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Speaker 1: you were attached to your computer at home. But now

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Speaker 1: the predator has access to your child twenty four seven.

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Speaker 1: So you have to be so much more vigilant, and

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Speaker 1: children have to know to protect themselves too. Parents have

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Speaker 1: to educate themselves and kids have to be educated on

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Speaker 1: how to stay safe. And then also kids need to

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Speaker 1: know that they can go to their parents for help

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Speaker 1: without fear of punishment or having their device taken away.

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Speaker 1: That it is about staying safe, that kids have that

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Speaker 1: comfort and that ability to go to a trusted adult

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Speaker 1: in real life, so a parent or guardian that they

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Speaker 1: can go to for help. But we have to have

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Speaker 1: these conversations. Yes, it's an uncomfortable conversation, but we already

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Speaker 1: had so many uncomfortable conversations with children. This is just

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Speaker 1: another one. Kids need to know what to protect themselves

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Speaker 1: from because what you don't know can hurt you, and

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Speaker 1: then you know about it. Alicia, when you tell me

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Speaker 1: that story, it never fails to frighten me as a mom.

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Speaker 1: We have Bark, and I am not a paid spokesperson

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Speaker 1: in any sense, but I looked at all the alternatives

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Speaker 1: and I just picked Bark because I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: I was doing, and I like it. It alerts me

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Speaker 1: on my phone every time an ugly word, even if

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Speaker 1: it's just simply damn, pops up, anything about hit, punch, kick, afraid, cut,

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Speaker 1: anything like that, even if it's in a song that

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Speaker 1: they've heard or downloaded, I get an alert and then

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Speaker 1: I go and I look at it and I see

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Speaker 1: what it is. So far, it's been very innocent and benign,

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Speaker 1: and I pray to God it stays that way. And

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Speaker 1: Emerson ABC needs for CHARLESO. Where does the case stand now? Well,

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Speaker 1: right now, what we're hearing right now is that they

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Speaker 1: have a the Internet Crimes Against Children's Task Force. This

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Speaker 1: is what I sort of gleaned from yesterday from the

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Speaker 1: State Attorney General's office here in South Carolina. They are involved.

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Speaker 1: It's called by KAK. They're involved because they had to

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Speaker 1: tell me that because I wanted to interview them about

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Speaker 1: just talking about it yesterday and they basically had to

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Speaker 1: decline because they're part of the investigation now. So we

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Speaker 1: know now that we've got that task force working on that.

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Speaker 1: I've also been in touch with the FBI as well,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to confirm yet their involvement,

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Speaker 1: but I would be shocked if they weren't. So that's

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Speaker 1: where we think it's going right now. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: to both sides of the police departments about this case.

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Speaker 1: We know that they're investigating it, and boy, they're keeping

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Speaker 1: their cards close to their chest right now. They even

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Speaker 1: had the lead investigator for Charleston in the room as

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Speaker 1: I was interviewing the police chief, because they did not

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Speaker 1: want one thing to come out about that may tip

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Speaker 1: this guy off and he was found out, or that

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Speaker 1: there may be that this suspect could slip away from them.

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Speaker 1: So they were like we that made me think they

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Speaker 1: are close. I mean that just is my gut. I

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Speaker 1: could be wrong, and I don't think I am, though,

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Speaker 1: because I think there's just too many virtual clues on

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Speaker 1: this side. Well and Emerson. If this little boy could

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Speaker 1: find the guy's house two hundred plus miles away, I

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Speaker 1: believe police can too. We wait as justice unfals. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend,