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Speaker 2: Fix off look sharp, I'm edzetron, this is better offline.

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Speaker 2: In the last episode, I know, I know, we talked

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Speaker 2: about something I talk about all the time, the growing

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Speaker 2: shittiness of tech, and now the media is kind of

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Speaker 2: playing into it. And the fact that all of this

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Speaker 2: is caused by the rock economy, which is the growth

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Speaker 2: of all costs mindset that means everything must grow, revenue, engagement,

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Speaker 2: And how well the things you change to make growth happen.

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Speaker 2: They're pretty terrible, and they hit you everywhere, and they

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Speaker 2: hit you in a manifest ways and manifold ways and

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Speaker 2: ways that just fill you full of little poisons every day.

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Speaker 2: And it's these little things that are mostly overlooked, mostly

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Speaker 2: by the media. See the modern tech clash narrative pushed

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Speaker 2: big MEATI problems like METS Cambridge Analyticals scandal, while ignoring

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Speaker 2: the gradual destruction of the products we use every day.

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Speaker 2: In the space of a decade, Google made its ads

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Speaker 2: on search look near identical to regular search results, and

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Speaker 2: only a few websites like search engine Land, for example,

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Speaker 2: of information in the world with any kind of seriousness.

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Speaker 2: The fact that I, a part time blogger with a

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Speaker 2: team made Google Search worse for money nine months after

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Speaker 2: the associated emails were made public. It's just a glaring

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Speaker 2: example of the misalignment of the tech media with what

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Speaker 2: actually affects people on a daily basis. But let me

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Speaker 2: give you another example. In Nvidia, one of the most

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Speaker 2: single covered tech companies of the last year, has effectively

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Speaker 2: lied about the launch of its RTX fifty eighty and

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Speaker 2: where stores like Microcenter received as few as two hundred

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Speaker 2: thirty three RTX fifty ninety graphics cards nationwide, while Nvidia

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Speaker 2: did warn of stock shortages. It's laughable to even call

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Speaker 2: as well basically no interest in covering it, despite this

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Speaker 2: being a very very significant story about how in Nvidia

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Speaker 2: is misleading people about its consumer and procemer graphics cards,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, make up billions of dollars of

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Speaker 2: revenue and a large percentage of it. And that and

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Speaker 2: it does not appear to be able to deliver them

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Speaker 2: on time or in any kind of value or volume.

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Speaker 2: These events hit millions of consumers in a tangible way.

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Speaker 2: In Vidia, despite all its financial success selling AI chips

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Speaker 2: to companies like Microsoft and Amazon, appears to be spurning

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Speaker 2: one of its core customer bases, the one it built

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Speaker 2: its name on, by the way, and the response from

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Speaker 2: the consumer tech media has been steppit. The Verge covered this,

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Speaker 2: by the way, tom Hardware has done it like there

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Speaker 2: are people covering it. And this is all despite the

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Speaker 2: fact that PC gaming revenue is comparable insights to console gaming.

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Speaker 2: It's forty three point two billion in two four compared

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Speaker 2: to the fifty one point nine billion dollars the console

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Speaker 2: gaming brought in, and according to research from new Zoo

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Speaker 2: and PC gaming, by the way, is one of the

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Speaker 2: only things that's growing right now. It's growing four percent

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Speaker 2: in console revenue. This shit's really important. But things are worse.

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Speaker 2: Things are worse than I'm even saying in Vidius fifty

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Speaker 2: eighty graphics cards, well they kind of suck, and they

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Speaker 2: represent how in Video is treating PC gamers in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. According to Paul's Hardware, a fantastic YouTube channel,

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Speaker 2: and they skewered in video for slowly reducing the amount

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Speaker 2: of performance gains you'll get out of mid range graphics

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Speaker 2: cards like the fifty eighty and the previous generation. And

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Speaker 2: this is a cynical attempt to make it so that

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Speaker 2: anyone looking for a real upgrade to their graphics card

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Speaker 2: fifty ninety A can't that they can't find. And there's more,

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Speaker 2: include a YouTube right now. There is a massive scandal

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Speaker 2: going on that Technedia really isn't jumping on. In Vidos

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Speaker 2: few fifty ninety graphics cards may have been poorly load balanced.

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Speaker 2: Sounds technical right. It means all the powers going into

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Speaker 2: like two wires and literally melting cards. This may lead

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Speaker 2: to a recall. This is significant. I don't see anything

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Speaker 2: else is happening. I guess they're busy. But anyway, this

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Speaker 2: is significant. This is really significant. This is like Apple

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Speaker 2: slowly over the course of years reducing the efficiency and

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Speaker 2: sales of the iPhone Pro. Yet the only people that

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Speaker 2: creators like Paul's Hardware who I've mentioned, and Game is Nexus.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Burke, the fucking legend. Stephen, come on my show please.

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Speaker 2: If you know Stephen, email me at my web zone,

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Speaker 2: easy at Better offline dot com. There's e Z at

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Speaker 2: Better Offline dot com. Please Stephen. By the way, these

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Speaker 2: these are not small channels. One point five million subscribers

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Speaker 2: on Paul's Hardware, two point four million on Game is Nexus,

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Speaker 2: and time and time again. These guys, specifically, they can

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Speaker 2: on real stories that affect real consumers, like gaming PC

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Speaker 2: builder NZXT creating a PC rental program that actively conned

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Speaker 2: consumers with rates worse than a payday loan company. And

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Speaker 2: they act like Stephen and Paul. They protect consumers from

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Speaker 2: active harm as the mainstream media chases their tales about

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Speaker 2: whatever half broken bullshit Sam Moultman has farted out on

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Speaker 2: their heads in video, a company discussed by what it

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Speaker 2: feels like every single business and tech out there has

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Speaker 2: a documented pattern of misleading and shortchanging customers. Why is

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Speaker 2: this not everywhere? Huh? It's almost as if the only

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Speaker 2: reason that anyone's talking about in video is that there's

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Speaker 2: a herd mentality in what stories are important to the

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Speaker 2: modern media, rather than any kind of relationship to the

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Speaker 2: effects that these companies might have on actual customers. The

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Speaker 2: mainstream media, especially when it comes to technology, does not

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Speaker 2: seem capable or willing to discuss the real, tangible, obvious

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Speaker 2: problems with the modern tech ecosystem, instead choosing to attack

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Speaker 2: things piecemeal or blandly, reporting news with as little context

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Speaker 2: as necessary, how with as many company quotes as possible. Look,

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Speaker 2: people are pissed off at the tech industry because the

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Speaker 2: tech industry is actively pissing them off. They are getting

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Speaker 2: less value from the products they pay for, and they're

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Speaker 2: free products they use are getting worse as a means

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Speaker 2: of making them more profitable. Stories about distrust and big

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Speaker 2: tech continually failed to talk about the simplest, most obvious problems.

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Speaker 2: Facebook sucks, Instagram sucks, Our apps suck, Microsoft teams sucks,

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Speaker 2: Zoom sucks, Google Meet sucks. It sucks. They suck. They're

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Speaker 2: all like, I'm not even being polemic here, these are

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Speaker 2: factual statements. These products are worse. They are worse. Everything

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Speaker 2: feels like it's built to subtly fuck with us. And

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Speaker 2: this is a problem that affects billions of people, one

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Speaker 2: that's discussed so rarely that I am considered creative for

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Speaker 2: writing a thousand words about the literal experience of using

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Speaker 2: a shitty laptop, as I did in my newsletter. Never

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Speaker 2: forgive them, which are turned into the invisible war criminals.

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Speaker 2: You know how the process goes, Folks more fun when

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Speaker 2: I read it. Anyway, these problems are everywhere. They're everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and they're real, meaningful stories, ones that are more important

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Speaker 2: than Dario amideo anthropic farting into a microphone about how

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Speaker 2: in maybe two years AI will be smarter than humans.

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Speaker 2: These fucking assholes just go on bloviate, and the media

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Speaker 2: lines up like fucking idiots to go, Oh, mister Amiday,

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Speaker 2: tell me how smart you are? Fuck you. I'm referring

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Speaker 2: events that made them pissed off. The shit they pay

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Speaker 2: for sucks. The shit they use sucks. The shit they

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Speaker 2: trade their data for sucks. The products are broken or

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Speaker 2: at to these companies, they're told, yeah, well, what if

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Speaker 2: you had some generative AI. What do you think? Do

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Speaker 2: And the customer is like, I fucking hate that? Can

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Speaker 2: I take it off? And they go no, But let

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Speaker 2: me give you another example, and this one for my listeners.

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Speaker 2: By the real Edhead's going back to the beginning. You're

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Speaker 2: finally getting it. I'm finally going in on fucking Apple.

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Speaker 2: The app store is a complete mess. On loading it up.

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Speaker 2: The first ad I received is for truth Social, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Donald Trumps social network, followed by popular iPhone apps

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Speaker 2: including Bumble, which is a micro transaction heavy dating app,

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Speaker 2: Paramount plus Zoom Max that's HBO Max I don't know,

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Speaker 2: by another micro transaction heavy mobile game, Clash of Clans,

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Speaker 2: followed by another micro transaction game, Artro, followed by helpful

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Speaker 2: apps for every day, which included Strava, a fitness at

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Speaker 2: that I use, letter Bogs, the social network for people

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Speaker 2: to review movies, StoryGraph and app for tracking books you've read,

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Speaker 2: Peanut and from others to connect with each other. And

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Speaker 2: then some sort of app for discovering irl plans near

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Speaker 2: you called Pie and part of Ale, and app for

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Speaker 2: planning parties, immediately followed by an ad for Apple's own

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Speaker 2: party and by app that specifically competes with them. It'd

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Speaker 2: be so cool if we had antitrust now. The next

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Speaker 2: carousel is for ten great dating apps, the first of

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Speaker 2: which is okay Cupid, a dating app with a one

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Speaker 2: first review is saying that and I quote, everything is

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Speaker 2: owned by the publicly traded Match Group, which owns three

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Speaker 2: of the other apps on the list, Hinge, Tinder, and

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Speaker 2: plenty of Fish. And the reason I'm agonizingly breaking down

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Speaker 2: pervasive than the media will face. Apple's App Store, a

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Speaker 2: of exploitative free to play mobile games that academics believe

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Speaker 2: online dating industry that has adopted these very same ideas

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Speaker 2: to turn romance into its own kind of free to

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Speaker 2: play a game. I'm saying ale. By the way, my

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Speaker 2: single friends all experience this. These apps are insane. These

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Speaker 2: apps are completely bonkers. They are asking you for money constantly.

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Speaker 2: They very clearly hide the best matches behind pay wars.

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Speaker 2: This is what online dating is now. It's a fucking

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Speaker 2: gatcha game. It's a slot machine. It's a mess. It's

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Speaker 2: absolutely abominable. And you know who makes a shit ton

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Speaker 2: of money off of that abominability. Mister Timothy Cook of Apple.

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Speaker 2: The App Store largely promotes apps and their associated features

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Speaker 2: from public companies with billions or trillions of dollars in

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Speaker 2: market capitalization, and much like Google Search, only functions to

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Speaker 2: bring you results that are convenient Apple and they no

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Speaker 2: longer highlight apps based on anything other than shadowy partnerships

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Speaker 2: and profit incentives. No, I do not believe the App

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Speaker 2: Store editorial group is going, huh, what if we advertise

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Speaker 2: the literal apps that everyone has, the apps that people

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Speaker 2: And as I've said, to be abundantly clear, Apple had

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Speaker 2: all things. It's not enough for Apple to make iterations

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Speaker 2: the computer, as I love what the computer has done

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00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: for me, and I hate what the computer now does

432
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: to other people and myself. Because Apple, Google and Meta

433
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: need to increase quarterly revenues. Well, look, it's easy to

434
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: give in too pessimism here, but I'd argue the better

435
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: alternative is to be loud and annoying and extremely verbal

436
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: about the problems you see. Every single website you use

437
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: has a feedback form, and I really encourage you to

438
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: use them, as I encourage you to complain about these

439
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: problems on social media and to regularly say the names

440
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: of the people who cause these problems to everybody you know.

441
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: If you're feeling particularly spicy, perhaps right you're elected officials

442
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: that you believe the quality of digital products you're using

443
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: is getting worse as a means of increasing stock prices,

444
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: and add that doing so is anti democratic, anti competitive,

445
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 2: and an American and very harmful. But really, just say

446
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: on American, say to them, look like, look, this isn't

447
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: real business, this isn't what America's for. And I realized

448
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: why that might not sound so good right now, But

449
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: maybe you listen to this in the future. And there's

450
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: another idea. I think a lot of these executives have

451
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: email accounts. Why not let them know how you feel.

452
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying be horrible or rude like Jeff Atamazon

453
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Speaker 2: dot Com. I think like, you don't need to. Don't

454
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: be horrible to these people, really please don't. But I

455
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: think you should look them up and let them know

456
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: how bad things have become and mention how long you've

457
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: used them and how bad they are, and how you're

458
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: going to keep emailing them every couple weeks. Let them know.

459
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: You don't want to spam them, you don't want to thrown,

460
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to be nasty. You just want to

461
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: very patiently let them know. Because these people, they're insulated,

462
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: they're safe they don't have anything that really scares or

463
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: upsets them. They read their emails. That's the one thing

464
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: I know. But another thing you can do is be

465
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: less useful. If you use Instagram, use it in a

466
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: way that actively generates less engagement. Click through a few stories,

467
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: then drop off the app. Don't use the feed, avoid

468
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 2: clicking or staying on any ads, go through them quickly,

469
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: and as Jeff Fowler at The Washington Post recommends, reset

470
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: your feed regularly. Delete the data that these companies have

471
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: on you regularly, and they'll be links. By the way

472
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Speaker 2: to this, and anytime a company asks you for feedback

473
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: that isn't about a customer service w app, skip it,

474
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: close the browser. That data is only useful for them.

475
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: In general, engage with apps less, both in the amount

476
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Speaker 2: of time you spend on them and the amount of

477
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Speaker 2: time you interact with their features and obsessively read every

478
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Speaker 2: single privacy policy. These companies make billions of dollars off

479
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: idle muscle memory based use of their software. So get

480
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: used to letrics and work against them. And if you

481
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: really don't use the service, stop using it. By the way,

482
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge you for staying on an

483
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Speaker 2: oath of them. I'm still on Instagram because it's where

484
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Speaker 2: a lot of my friends are and I like seeing

485
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: what they're up to. Again, not against these products in principle,

486
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: I just hate what they've become. But more importantly, I

487
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: want you to find solidarity with others against the rot economy.

488
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Every single person you meet is a victim. Every single

489
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: person you meet faces similar problems to you, and every

490
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: single person you know is likely pissed off at email spam,

491
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: the collapse of social networks and Google, and or the

492
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: abulnerable state of modern business software. We all have this.

493
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Speaker 2: This is a thing that all of us deal with.

494
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: It's bipartisan, it's cross culture, it's cross class. Though I

495
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: would argue it hurts people the lower their income is

496
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: much like most of America, and this is something we

497
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Speaker 2: all face. I know it sounds kind of smaltzy' to

498
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: be like, oh, you're fellow man, but really it is.

499
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Speaker 2: I don't know how else you connect with people, but

500
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: I guarantee their software pisces them off. But the reason

501
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: that these companies have been able to penetrate and poison

502
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: so many things using software as a combination of lacks

503
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: regulation and a dose style society or approach to technology.

504
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: They want no no, They need you to feel hopeless.

505
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: They need you to think that they're too big, that

506
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Speaker 2: they can grow oh forever, or do whatever they want

507
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: to you, and that there'll never be enough negative sentiment

508
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: to change their ways. The reality is these people are

509
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: extremely vulnerable, extremely unprepared, and they don't know how to

510
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: deal with pushback. Tech executives are poorly media trained, thin skinned,

511
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 2: and have never faced any meaningful negative consumer sentiment, largely

512
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: because they've never faced any meaningful competition. They simply do

513
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: not believe you will act in a way that doesn't

514
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: benefit them, because they've done literally everything they can to

515
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 2: make it difficult to avoid or leave their systems. They

516
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: need you to think that things will always be this bad,

517
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: or that they'll get worse, and for you to just

518
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: sit there and take it, rather than screaming in their

519
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: fucking faces about what they're doing and saying it's unacceptable.

520
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: They want you to give up. Don't let them destabilize you.

521
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: Do not let them pump you full of cynicism, of pessimism,

522
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: of the belief that there's nothing good and thus that

523
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: there can be nothing that will ever change that we're

524
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: in this unchanging hell. We are not going forward. One

525
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: of my missions with this podcast is to give you

526
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: the language to describe what is being done to you

527
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: and the names of those responsible for doing it to you.

528
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: I fundamentally believe that anyone can understand the stuff I'm

529
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: talking about, and that the tech behind it is not magic,

530
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: and that the terrible things being done to you are

531
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: being done in the name of the rot economy and

532
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: perpetual growth, and that none of these things are mystical

533
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: or requires some insane background. You can do this. I

534
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: talk to so many of you over email, and it's

535
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: awesome because your teachers, robbers, your people that drive into

536
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: banks and with a big car. No no, no, no

537
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: more criminal stuff. Please keep that off the Reddit. But

538
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: generally most of the people that contact me, and non

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: tech people, you all seem to fucking get out. I

540
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: don't know what the problem is, and I want you

541
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: to understand this stuff so you can make better decisions

542
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: and also understand that you are the victim of a

543
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: con where you've been convinced that you were behind the times,

544
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: when the tech industry just actually gave up on serving you.

545
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: Our economy and the majority of public companies are run

546
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: by people who do not face any real problems or

547
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: do any real work, and the tech industry, run by

548
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: similar people, has oriented itself around building products and services.

549
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: To say, album these people do not use their own products,

550
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: or if they do, they do so in such a

551
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: distant way that it doesn't really matter if they suck. It's

552
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: time to speak about these companies and this softer and

553
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: plain terms. We are in an era of rot our markets,

554
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: dominated by a growth obsessed death cult so powerful that

555
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: it's just accepted that the only good stocks are those

556
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: that grow every single quarter. A good company is no

557
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: longer one that provides a good service or that will

558
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: be around in ten years. No, it's one that provides

559
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: a service in such a way that they can jack

560
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: up the prices or upsell customers while also somehow getting

561
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: more customers. If anything, the rot economy is kind of

562
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: like a global Ponzi scheme, where the only companies that

563
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: succeed are the ones that can continually get more customers

564
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: and come up with new ways to get more customers

565
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: that don't exist yet. Even if the service or the

566
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: goods provided are bad, it doesn't matter to these companies

567
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: that the only thing that grows forever is cancer, and

568
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: the perpetual growth could very well falter and then crash everything.

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00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: It's short term thinking all the time. I want you

570
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: to start seeing everything through the lens of growth, and

571
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: I believe everything will start making more sense as a result.

572
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: And these companies don't even have to do it this

573
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: way success and being a decent in the moral sense

574
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: of the word sparingly in the case of capitalism, you

575
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: can do this as a company. These things are not

576
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: mutually exclusive. These companies could have modest two to five

577
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: percent growth each quarter. They could make good software that

578
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: people like. They could do all of these things, but

579
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: they choose not to. They'd rather hurt us because growth

580
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: is more important to them than whether our lives fucking suck.

581
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: They'd rather refuse to maintain a rigorously test their products,

582
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: especially their software, because investing in customers doesn't grow your

583
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: customer base as fast as focusing on finding new ones.

584
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: And these things have been happening for over a decade,

585
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: and being able to explain them for you, I mean,

586
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: it's important. You need to be able to do this

587
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: in plain English. Having conversations about this is important too.

588
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: Talk to your friends and your family and your coworkers

589
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: about this stuff. They're all dealing with it too. I

590
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: don't care if my work's involved. Just tell them what's

591
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: fucking happening. Look, you can't change the world on your own,

592
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: and you may very well go through the world without

593
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: changing much at all. But in your own small way,

594
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: you can, at the very least, contribute to a greater

595
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: hope and positivity in the bubble around you. The ideas

596
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: you have of a fair or better, more inclusive world,

597
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: one where people are not vilified for being who they are,

598
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: are shared by most people. We outnumber them, and we

599
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: outnumber them by an overwhelming margin. The demands you make

600
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: of the world do not necessarily need to be realistic,

601
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: but they can be fair. It's not unfair to demand

602
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: a tech industry that is worth I don't know, a

603
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: few hundred billion dollars while providing a service that largely

604
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: benefits the world around us. At the very least, we

605
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: can ask for shit that works. Discussing ideas what a

606
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: better world might look like. It's eternal. It's the root

607
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: of humanity. It's what gives us light in the darkest times,

608
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: and what the darkest people in the world wish to

609
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: rob of us, not simply hope, but the ingredients of hope,

610
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: the stuff that builds the foundation that allows us to

611
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: truly believe. This isn't to say any of this will

612
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: be an easy process, nor one without deep dark moments,

613
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: but at the very least we can have standards and

614
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: beliefs in ourselves of what better looks like. And now

615
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: it kind of feels a little silly to hold up

616
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: better software and technology is such a serious concept, but

617
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: I think the world as it stands is suffering due

618
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: to the tolerance we've had for the horrifying conditions of

619
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: modern software, which has now been deeply penetrated into every

620
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: part of our lives, in some cases leaving trash lying

621
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: around that we find ourselves tripping over all the time.

622
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Software has, to some extent, truly improved humanity, all having

623
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: levels of connection that are truly special, both with those

624
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: we know and those we barely know. It has, however,

625
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: grown without restraint, without true accountability for those who write

626
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: it and deploy it, and let's be honest, barely maintain

627
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: it or actively and consciously striving to undermine it. I

628
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: cannot promise you that will ever have solutions to any

629
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: of these problems. But I can, as you can, say

630
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: what a better world looks like. And a better world

631
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: is one where software works for, not against, the people

632
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: that use it. There's no harm in liking or even

633
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: loving technology. Ges Liking it allows you to more articulately

634
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: explain why you fucking hate what they've made of it.

635
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: Expressing what good looks like what you love allows you

636
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: to cut deeper with your hatred for those who have

637
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: caused you so much harm. This starts, by the way,

638
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: with naming those responsible for poisoning the world with software.

639
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Sundopeshi of Google, satch In the Della of Microsoft, Tim

640
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Cook and Phil Schiller who runs the app store of Apple,

641
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg of Meta, and the other invisible war criminals

642
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: responsible for the destruction of our digital lives. They have

643
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: nothing but their names. The tech industry is so woefully

644
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: unprepared to deal with regular people having the language and

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Speaker 2: understanding of their horrible acts. Crisis p Arthentek does not

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