1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners Alife. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join The Conversation Live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. Looking for more, visit cardoctorshow 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com for past episodes, repair tips, and Ron's latest insights, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and be sure to subscribe to The Car Doctor YouTube 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: channel for exclusive videos, real repair footage and more. Now 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: start your enginies. The Car Doctor is in the garage 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: and ready to take your call. 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: I want to tell you why i oder repair is 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: so expensive. I think it's a good place to story. 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: You guys love the stories from the shop, real stiff 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: from the days. Well here's a real one and it 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: happened to this week. I have to tell you the 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: story this way. I'm going to start here, so it's 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of a layered thing. So bear with me. 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: One of my information systems, Identifis, is going up thirty 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: five dollars next month. You know now it'll be well 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: over two hundred dollars for this identification subscription. That that's good. 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: It does provide some timely information. It is I always 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: say it's Google on steroids. It gives me verified repairs 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: and helps sometimes point you in a direction when you're 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: up against it and you're trying to find a direction. 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: It will help dig through the pattern failures and put 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: it all together in one paragraph. It's not perfect, but 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: it's a direction. It's another informational source. But there's a 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: cost that comes with it. So you always look at 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: cost as part of being in business, like anyplace else. Right, 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: the eggs cost more for the diner, they raise their price. 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: The beef costs more for the burger place, they raise 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: their price. This isn't about auto repair raising their price. 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: Auto repair is deemed expensive anyway, And neither one of 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: those is really pertinent to this conversation, except everything has value. 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: Everything that you do in a repair shop you really 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: have to consider. There's a value to that. There's a 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: value to what your mechanic is trying to do if 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: they're trying to do it right, and they're not a 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 2: bad mechanic. And the Lord knows there are a bunch 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: of bad mechanics out there. So one of my favorite 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: guys in the whole world, my trans builder. I love 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: him the death great guy. He got himself in a box. 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: One of the local body shops brought him a twenty 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: sixteen twenty fifteen gmc akadia recently that remember I told 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: you this is layered. I started with identifics, remember that 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: for the second that brought him a gmc acadia that 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: had a bucking and a shuddering sensation to it. Now, 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: the body shop tried to diagnose it themselves. And I 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: know the body shop. They tend not to want to 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: pay for diagnosis. They tend not to want to diagnose things. 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: They tend to do things cock eyed, in my opinion, 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: and it's one of the reasons we don't do business. 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: It's just easier to you know, fences make the best neighbors, 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: as they say. And they brought him this transmission or 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: this vehicle saying that they had diagnosed it themselves. They 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: put a torque converter in it for the transmission, thinking 61 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: that it was a bad torqu converter on lockup, but 62 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: that didn't repair it. Now there was no real diagnosis 63 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: done is the way it was explained to me. And 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: that's the part that floors me. See, this is where 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: order repair gets expensive. Right, had we start this? Why 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: is auto repair so expensive? They did a repair based 67 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: on it felt like this. I never heard anything about. 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: We pulled out a scan tool, we pulled out a scope, 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: we did some diagnostics, we looked at bolted nothing just 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: it must be a converter because it feels like a converter. 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: Or maybe they did because if you looked at the 72 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: pattern failure and I a fix, they would point you 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: towards a converter. So I, you know, I work with 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: my trans guy. Listen, I have a great relationship with him. 75 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: We can we can walk in and if I were 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: to drop off something my own vehicle, say hey, rebuild 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: this for me, they'll rebuild it. And you know it's 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: a it's a it's an equal great quality exchange of 79 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: energy between the two of us. So now he's in 80 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: the now he's in the box. He's got this vehicle 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: that they've already done a transmission or done transmission work too, 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: which and I wanted to point this out. To put 83 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: a converter, a torque converter in a twenty fifteen, twenty 84 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: sixteen a Kadi Chevy Traverse, that generation of GM product 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: is no simple task. This isn't three hours and it's done. 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: The last time I saw a quote from the dealer 87 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: to put a trans in that generation of traverse, a 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: transmission was eleven grand, and I believe the trans is 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: around sixty five hundred and seven grand. The risk being 90 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: labored because you take everything out, the trans and the 91 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: drive train, it comes out as an assembly on a bench, 92 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: a portable power bench they call it, and it lowers 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: down and then you split it. And so this is 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: a lot of work. But somehow the body shop struggled 95 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: through it. They had their night mechanic do it, as 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: I understand it, and he's a very old school kind 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: of mechanic, and he would, you know, see to the pants, 98 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: sweat of his brow, muscle his way through it, and 99 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: he got this torque converter swapped out. Yeah, and it 100 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: didn't do anything because the car still had the same problem. 101 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: Thirty three thirty four miles an hour, that car still 102 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: had that shutter shake, just like a misfire, just like 103 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: a bad torque converter. It felt just like that. So 104 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 2: my trans guy, Tom, we're gonna call him. Tom, gets 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: this transmission or this car with an alleged bad transmission 106 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: that the body shop at least wants him to look 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: at do a diagnosis. Tom looks at it. And one 108 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: of the things I love about Tom is, you know what, 109 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: He's one of the most honest mechanics I've ever met. 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: He knows when he's in over his head. Look, I 111 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: know when I'm in over my head and I gotta 112 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: go get more information. Tom knows when he's in over 113 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: his head and he's got to go get more information. 114 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Turns out, on this particular day, I was the more information. 115 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: He came over. He said, listen, do you have five minutes? 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: I didn't, but I always, you know, I always respond 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: to that cry for help. I would have been good 118 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: at a carnival, you know, when they yell hey, Rube 119 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: and everybody comes running because the tent's going to fall down. 120 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: I would have been great at that. So you know, 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: Tom comes over, he yells hey, Rube, and off we go. 122 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: Scan tool in hand, and I'm thinking about this and 123 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: I look at it on a scan tool, and yes, 124 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: scan tool is reporting misfires, but they're odd in the 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: way that it's being reported. Now, Fortunately for Tom and 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: for the body shop and for the vehicle owner. I 127 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: just completed training with Automotive Training Group Misfire and cylinder 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: power contribution Diagnosed, and this is a whole new way 129 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: of looking at misfires. It's a very different ideology. Instead 130 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: of you know, living by the code, dying by the code, 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: living by symptoms, we're looking for specific values biometric pressure, manifold, vacuum, 132 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: throttle angle, volumetric efficiency. We're looking at heart rate, blood pressure, 133 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: all the critical measurements that you go through to determine 134 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: is the engine in reasonable mechanical condition? Yes, okay, your 135 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: problem is somewhere else. I haven't got it mastered yet. 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: I'm not claiming I do. It's a very different way 137 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: to look at things, and I'm just learning the ins 138 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: and the outs. But here was a chance to test. 139 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: The two nights I spent in class and the subsequent 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: seven days I spent after reading the book every night 141 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: and mapping out some theories and possibilities and patterns and 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: good time to learn. Right, here's that moment. This car 143 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: passed every test under the sun. There was no mis 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: fire coming out of this car. And I said that 145 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: with confidence to Tom. I said, this is not a misfire. 146 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: This is something else. And when I looked at it 147 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: all the time that we're driving the car, even when 148 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: it first came over the ABS and the traction control 149 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: lighter on HM. So I go in and there's no 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: fault codes and you know, lived by the code, died 151 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: by the code. I don't care the lights on. It's 152 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: trying to tell me something. I go look at data 153 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: display and data stream for the ABS system, for the 154 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 2: antalock brakes, and I look at the four wheel speed sensor. 155 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: It's a great place to start, just in case you're wondering. 156 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: And all four report correct mileage except the right rear 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: wheel speed sensor looks fuzzy. And I'm using a scan tool, 158 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: so you can't put too much trust in your interpretation. 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: It just looks fuzzy. It's jagged. It's not a smooth, 160 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: clean signal if we're going to trust the scan tool. 161 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: And the reason we don't trust the scan tool is 162 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: because it's not an exact one for one pixel data 163 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: exchange of information. It's interpreted, it's buffered, we're going through 164 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: the memory of the scan tool. There's one hundred of 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: the reasons why we always say get out the labscope. 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: But this pattern from the right rear wheel speed sensor 167 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: was convoluted enough that I knew something was up. Now 168 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm doing Tom a favor, and I'm happy to do 169 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: it for him, and I'm not gonna do more than that. 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: I just handed him back the car and I said 171 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: I'd start with fixing the right rear wheel speed sensor circuit. 172 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's a sensor. I don't know 173 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: if it's a wheelbaring. I don't know what it is. 174 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: But there's something wrong with that right rear wheel speed 175 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: circuit that it's aggravating the car to turn on the 176 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: abs and traction control lights. And perhaps perhaps you're gonna 177 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: fix the car because I could find nothing else wrong. 178 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: Everything else, everything else was spot on the money. Mode 179 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: six data freees frame, the time of occurrence, mass airflow sensor, 180 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: grahams perc second manifold, vacuum, barometric pressure. All of it 181 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: was right on the money. I gave him back the car. Now, 182 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: keep in mind the body shop put it, took trans 183 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: in and out. Okay, they were on the verge of 184 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: doing coils and spark plugs when they handed it to Tom. 185 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: They also, by the way, took the trans in and 186 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: out on one hundred and twenty thousand mile eight year 187 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: old vehicle and only put a torquenverter in and on 188 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: a trans It's got the durability of a potato chip 189 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: in the Atlantic Ocean. Just not a real strong prospect 190 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: for survivability. And now they've got this. Maybe it's a 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: wheel bearing. We know it needs a wheel bearing, let's 192 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: start there. Or whatever it is. Turned out it was 193 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: a wheel bearing. I'm giving it away. But they ended 194 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: up putting a wheel bearing in it because the metallic 195 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 2: tone ring was beat up in half missing, and Tom 196 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: discovered that when he went back to his shop put 197 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: it up in the air and he started probing around. 198 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: He called me Thursday, Hey, Ron, I just want to 199 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: let you know the car's fixed. The wheel bearing. The 200 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: problem with the right rear fixed problem. You were right, see, 201 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: I think what was going on was I think because 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: that car gets vehicle speed input information off the anti 203 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: lock brakes. That it saw an erratic signal out of 204 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: the right rear, and it treated the car like it 205 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: was going into fuel cut. Fuel cut is something we 206 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: haven't talked about in probably every bit of thirty thirty 207 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: five years. Fuel cut is a condition in vehicles where 208 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: you look at the speed rating of the tires T HV. 209 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: T is good for one hundred and twelve miles an hour. 210 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: H is good for one hundred and twenty three miles 211 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: an hour. V is good for one hundred and forty 212 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: six miles an hour. For a twenty minute extended rod test, 213 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 2: et cetera. The government mandated in the eighties that the 214 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: vehicles exceeded their tire speed rated miles per hour, the 215 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: manufacturer would throw that vehicle into fuel cuts, shut off 216 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: the injectors, and just shut it down so the vehicle 217 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: can't go any faster. This car seemed like it was 218 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: going into fuel cut. When I look at the fuel trim, 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: I saw it. When I looked at a couple of 220 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: other things, I saw it, and I said, this car 221 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: is in fuel cut. But I'm not sure why, but 222 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: let's fix the wheel speed sensor. Maybe it's affecting vehicle speed. 223 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: So I fixed the car. I didn't get paid, Tom 224 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: didn't get paid, the body shop got paid. And my 225 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: point becomes they probably spent upwards of I don't know, 226 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: ten eleven thousand dollars for what should have been a 227 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars repair because of improper diagnosis. Why is 228 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: auto repair so expensive? It's not. There's just a bunch 229 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: of bad actors in it that aren't doing the job right. 230 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 231 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm fired up and ready to go. Come on back, 232 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: let's talk. I'm ronnin Eny in the Car Doctor as 233 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, and then I'll drop the subject 234 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: for the moment. Automotive Training Group is bringing that Misfire 235 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: Cylinder Contribution class back to New Jersey in September in 236 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: Edison on Wednesday, Thursday nights. I think it is the 237 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: third and the fourth. I'm going to be there. I'm 238 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: going to take the class again because there's never an 239 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: excuse for not taking and gathering more information. It was 240 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: that good of a class. Let's let's go to Norman 241 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: and open the garage doors. Norman. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 242 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: How can I help? 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: Yes? Thank you, Ron, I enjoy your show. Every week, 244 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: you know, thank you bringing forth these scenarios. And I've 245 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: done a lot of mechanic work in my time. I'm 246 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: a little older than you are. They told me we're 247 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: sixty eight. I'm seventy five. 248 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: Now, come on, nobody's older than me. But I get it. 249 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: No, right, we're not ready for the geriatric ward yet, 250 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: not yet anyway. 251 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: The nuthouse maybe, but definitely not the geriatric ward. So yeah, 252 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: what's going on? 253 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: All right? Well, well, I just first of all, I'm 254 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: seeing about buying a scan tool. It's not that involved, 255 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: but one I saw just to you know, get my 256 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: feet wet with some of the newer stuff. Well, the 257 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: top Don have you ever heard of there? 258 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: I've heard of top Don. Yeah, I've heard of top Don. 259 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: I've never played with one. I've heard good stories about them, 260 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: good results. I would have no problem with suggesting somebody 261 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: go look at one. Whenever I look at a scan tool, 262 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: I always look at you know, how fast is the tool, 263 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: what's the ability of the tool to arrange the information. 264 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: Where a scan tool falls down is get into the 265 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: scenario you're looking to fuel trim problem. Can I go 266 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: into can I go in to vehicle your make model 267 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: and display short term, long term oxygen sensors, engine RPM, 268 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: calculated load. You know specific data PIDs that I want 269 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: to see easily? Can I Can I retain it? Can 270 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: I save it as a favorite? 271 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: Hey? 272 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: This whenever I look at fuel trim, I want this 273 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: menu to come up. I want this option. I want 274 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: to look at this every time. Can I do that? 275 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: How easy is it to move data around? Can I 276 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: just bag and drop? Can I take the oxygen sensor 277 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: from the top and drag it to the bottom of 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: the list or do I have to go in and 279 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: build the list in some sort of So always I 280 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: always look at data management as one of the things. 281 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: I also look at how easy is it for me 282 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: to print or store the data so I can go 283 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: in and when I'm looking at a car with known 284 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: good If I'm doing a health check and I've got 285 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: a perfectly good twenty twenty three Lexus GX four sixty, 286 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: I want to see what is Lexus called for? How 287 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: do they allow mass airflow sensor Graham's per second at idle? 288 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: You know, where's fuel trim, go under load? What's calculated load? 289 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: That kind of thing? How easy can I gather heart rate? 290 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: Blood pressure and data and store it to compare to 291 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: the next problem vehicle of that generation. So that's that's 292 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: important to me, all right. The rest is fluff, you 293 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: know after that by directional control is great, but it's 294 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: going to be limited by the dollars I'm going to spend. 295 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then of course, you know you have you 296 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: have a real good understanding of the fundamentals of an 297 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: engine and stuff like that. You have to interject old 298 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: time sery too, sure, absolutely, because it makes sense. And 299 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: and I was always one for diagnosing and everything else. 300 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: And you know, like the battery with a hydrometer and 301 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: this and that, and and and and and I usually 302 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: would come to a favorable results where you know, I 303 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: would use the theory of old school and and and 304 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: and you know I'd figure stuff out. Yep. But you know, 305 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: with a scan tool, I mean it does, you know, 306 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: maybe help point you in the right direction. But then 307 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: you still have to use your acclimated native intelligence to 308 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: uh accompany me a companient the findings of a scan. 309 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: I you know, Norman, I always say a scan tool 310 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: gathers information. You still got to use that gray matter 311 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: between your ears that God gave you and that's really 312 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: that's really the bottom line. So I would look at 313 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: the top down. I would you know what sort of 314 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: bi directional control? What sort of software updates? Let me 315 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: ask you this, Norman, real quick. Do you have a 316 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: second question? I hear the music. I'll answer it after 317 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: we take the pause. All right, Sit tight, don't go, 318 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: don't go anywhere, Norman. Let me pull over and take 319 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: this pause so I don't rush you. I don't want to. 320 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to. Just drop the call. I'm running 321 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: any and the car doctor will be back with Norman 322 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: right after this. Don't go anywhere. Let's go back to Norman. Norman. 323 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: You're still there, sir, Norman, Connecticut. Yes, sir, you had 324 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: a second question, Norman, Yes, sir. 325 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just before we move on to 326 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: the next thing. Now, I told you what I was 327 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: singing about getting for scan tool and stuff. Do you 328 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 3: have one that you maybe would for what? I just 329 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: want to just get my feet wet and get going. 330 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: What did you ever recommendation I liked? 331 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: I like the stuff from Autel, I like the stuff 332 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: from Launch. You know, if you can, if you can 333 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: afford it, and it's in the price point, snap on 334 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: makes a great tool for and again we're back to 335 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: what are the parameters? Okay, you know there's no such 336 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: thing as getting your feet wet with a scan tool. 337 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: I've come to that conclusion. You just got to jump 338 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: in and it's it's it's not about it's not about price. 339 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: It's you know, George Burns. You remember George Burns. You 340 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: used to sing a song I want to be eighteen again. 341 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of things in life I 342 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: can't get and I'm always looking for a cheap scan tool. 343 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: But I'm not because I'm just I'm looking for something 344 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: that's gonna make me relevant and keep me current. And 345 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: I I just know that a scan tool is a 346 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: throwaway item, Norman. A couple of years from now, you're 347 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: gonna throw it away and you're gonna buy it again. 348 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: And that's just that's just that's the price of technology. Brother. 349 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: So all right, second question the. 350 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: Hotel and launch when you have a model or no. 351 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: Because I like the companies, go go take a you know, 352 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: just go take a look at the companies and buy 353 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: the biggest screen you can. 354 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 4: Say. 355 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: Listen, you and I are in the same age group. 356 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: You know, we wanna we want to one of my 357 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: software information systems the other day made a big deal 358 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: out they're giving me a mobile app so I can 359 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: look at information on my phone. I'm like, dude, are 360 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: you kidding? I want a biggest I want a twenty 361 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: two inch monitor. I don't want a phone screen two 362 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: by three. So we got to move on. What's your 363 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: second question? Comment in order? 364 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 5: Now? 365 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 3: In a battery test or I was looking at the 366 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: top down to the V twenty two hundred with it 367 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: checks the battery status too. I was thinking to get 368 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: one of those. 369 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: They're all doing you know, you know, they're all doing 370 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: that by an algorithm, by a mathematical algorithm, and they're okay. 371 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: You know what, if you're doing maintenance in the shop 372 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: and you want to just check batteries on a regular basis, 373 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: somebody comes in for an oil change and it's it's 374 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: twice a year, you're gonna do a mathematical calculation load test. 375 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mathematical calculation battery test. But the reality is, 376 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: if you can go buy an old school carbon pile 377 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: load something, Associated still makes them. They're still out there 378 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: from Associated test equipment. They're excellent. They're excellent diagnostic tool. 379 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: You know, when I want to take a stress test, 380 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: I'll listen to what the doctor says, but I'll go 381 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: run on the treadmill because I actually want to see 382 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: how I do under underload and under duress. And there's 383 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: just there's nothing else quite like it. All right, kiddo, 384 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: Is there a third partner? 385 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: One more thing real quick? Yeah, I have some equipment 386 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: out here in the yard that's been sitting because I 387 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: told you I had a foot problem. I've been out 388 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: of business for about ten years six anyway, and anyway, 389 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: I want to bring this stuff back. And I thought 390 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: that you know, I know, you said change everything that's wet, 391 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: and I was thinking to bring some of this stuff 392 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: back with the you know, full of plugs, fog it 393 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: and then you know, turn turn it over with a 394 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: wrench behind. I just whoop it over the starter, yep. 395 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: And I know one time what I did with a 396 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: tractor that had been sitting for years, put the oil 397 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: down there. And then what I did up on some horses, 398 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: I put a salamander heater not too far away from 399 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: the block, you know what I mean, the heat, and 400 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: then I'd turn it on and then shut it off, 401 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: so i'd may make the metal expand contract, spand and contract. 402 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: And then I turned it over with the PTO shaft 403 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 3: and the back on the tractor, and I didn't break 404 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: a ring or anything, you know, afraid if it was 405 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: because I put a wrench on it first and it 406 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: didn't want to move sure, so I didn't want it, 407 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: so I did that, and then it looked over and 408 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: it was fine. So I was thinking of doing the 409 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: same thing. It was all my stuff. 410 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: They bring it back, you know, Norman, it can't hurt. 411 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: All it's going to cost you is a little bit 412 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: of time, and you know you've got time. Time's the 413 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: cheapest thing you have right now. I would say it 414 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense to me, and I would 415 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: tell you to follow that rule of thumb, and you 416 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: know the rest of it about oil in the top 417 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: end and making sure it's free and easy before you 418 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: start it, and try and start it on a separate 419 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: fuel source. If it runs, then maybe you want to 420 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: go through the fuel system as well to make sure 421 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: nothing is rotted or damaged there. I appreciate the conversation, Norman. 422 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: I've got to move on. Let's go to phil and 423 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Maine twenty two Toyota and some questions about an intermittent 424 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: random misfire. Look at this, Phil, Welcome to the car doctor, sir, 425 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: How can I help? 426 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: It was pretty much as I described. I bought this 427 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: truck brand new two years ago April, and within a 428 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 4: very short time I begin to feel the smith like 429 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: a plug breaking down, or maybe little bit of water 430 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: and fuel, something of that nature. So I took it 431 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 4: back to the dealer and it was in there about 432 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 4: a half hour, and a lady at the counter tells 433 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 4: me that that's normal. I've got a questionnaire from Toyota 434 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 4: on the computer here, probably a year ago, and they 435 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: wanted to know how I was doing with a new truck. 436 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 4: I described the problem to them as best I could. 437 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: I never heard back from them. I just wonder if 438 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 4: you've run into something like this. 439 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: How many miles are on this truck, Phil. 440 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 4: Almost twelve thousand. 441 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, not at that mileage, so so have you. And 442 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not happening, and I'm not saying 443 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: it's normal. My question is, have you taken a ride 444 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: with the technician at the point of failure? 445 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: No? I have, No, They've never offered that to me. 446 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: Well, it's time for you to tell them, Hey, I 447 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: want to go for a ride with somebody. I don't 448 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: think this is normal, you know, is it? Is it 449 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: really a misfire? And I'm just I'm spitballing with you, right, 450 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: is it? Is it? It feels like a misfire. It 451 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: could be it could be torque converter, shutter, it could 452 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: be something electrical, because. 453 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: I've read something to the effect that some of these 454 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: problems are toyotas or transmission related to something. I've tried 455 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: down shifting it when it's doing this, it doesn't make 456 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 4: any difference. It's still missing. It's an automatic, but drop 457 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: it back and it doesn't help anything. 458 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, it would seem that part of the diagnosis 459 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: here would be to look at cylinder misfires, to look 460 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: at mode six, which is the behind the scenes machine 461 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: language data that the vehicle computer will generate. Is it 462 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: actually detecting a fault code or is it a driving 463 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: characteristic of the vehicle twelve thousand miles. I wouldn't expect 464 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: anything to be wrong with it, but you know, the 465 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: first step is if if you're experiencing it and they're 466 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: telling you it's normal, can they show you another twenty 467 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: two Tacoma. They have another one lying around that they 468 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: can take you for a ride and say, yeah, look 469 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: this one does it too good question? 470 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: I think it just brushed me off, right. 471 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me. Because a real misfire, 472 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: a shutter, a shake, a hesitation out of the vehicle, 473 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: should generate more than just one guy named Philip and 474 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 2: up in Maine registering a complaint. It seems that there 475 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: would be hundreds of thousands of these as having a 476 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: potential problem. It seems like I would have run into it. 477 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: I haven't. Those are usually one of the very best 478 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: running vehicles out there, to be honest with you. 479 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: They've had a scan tool run onto something that might 480 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: have brought up a code or anything. 481 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have, but you know I can show you. 482 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: Oh listen, the vehicle I talked about in the open 483 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: did not set a misfire code. But if you looked 484 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: at it on scan tool, it looked like it was misfiring. 485 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: But by virtue, by virtue of me eliminating the other factors, 486 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: which was part of that conversation, I knew it wasn't 487 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: a misfire. I knew it was something else, So somebody's 488 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: got to really sit down and want to diagnos and 489 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: the answer you're probably going to get well, if it 490 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: doesn't set a code, we can't diagnose it, which is nonsense. 491 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: It just means they don't want to. So you've got 492 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: to find somebody that can diagnose and really lay it 493 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: on the line. But first step, First show me another 494 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: twenty two Tacoma that runs the same and that customer 495 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: is not complaining, right yep? 496 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 4: So all right, sir, okay, thank you very much. 497 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. You'll be well. Eight five five five 498 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero. Look at this, I 499 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 2: got out right on time, Tom, aren't you proud of me? 500 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this. I'm running any in 501 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 2: the car Doctor. The phone number is eight five to 502 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: five five six zero nine nine zero zero, the card 503 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: Doctor's twenty four to seven hot line, and Larry from 504 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: Wisconsin is next up. Larry. Welcome to the Car. 505 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 5: Doctor, sir Sllo, thanks for taking my call. 506 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: Welcome. What's going on? 507 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 508 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 5: I got this twenty fifteen Chevy Silverado and like take off, 509 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 5: put it in drives, start going and it'll come up 510 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 5: dash grade, brake activated, will come on if I take 511 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 5: my foot off the gas a little bit, just kind 512 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: of slow down, that'll come on and then it'll shift down. 513 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 5: And then when I'm not even going down the hill, 514 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: it's on a flat, and then it'll go off that 515 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 5: grade brake activator will go off and it won't come 516 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 5: back on. But when I'm driving down the road going 517 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 5: forty to fifty miles an hour, the truck will shift down, 518 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 5: you know, so the RPMs go up and it'll shift 519 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 5: down again. If I hit the gas, then it'll shift 520 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: up and go, you know, right back where I need 521 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 5: to be. 522 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: So the trans has the trans has an erratic shifting issue. 523 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 5: Correct, But then here's the other question. And then so 524 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: somebody told me, well, I put it in manual, put 525 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: it all the way down to manual, and shift it manually, 526 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 5: and the transmission runs just fine. I can drive it around. 527 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: Okay, right because shift because perceived value is it's it's 528 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: sensing that it's under a load. Let me ask this question, 529 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: does it do it all the time or is it okay? 530 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: When you first start out cold, and then it gets 531 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: worse as the hotter it gets. 532 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 5: I think it's worse as hotter it gets. 533 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: Okay, what color is the gas cap? Serious question? 534 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 5: Shoot? 535 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: Yellow or black? It's it's it's it's not an it's 536 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 2: not an e eighty five vehicle. 537 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 5: Right, that's correct. 538 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's probably a black gas cap. It's just 539 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: it's just that's that's how I remember it. So if 540 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 2: this is okay, if this is, if this is worse 541 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: the hotter it gets, don't you have on your on 542 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: your dash information centered can't you bring up trans temperature 543 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: as one of the PIDs as one of the data displays? 544 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: Yes? 545 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 5: I think I can. 546 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: Okay, go for a ride with the truck. Watch it. 547 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: You know what is it? It's a fifteen hundred right, yep, okay, 548 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: with no load, no trailer, no load in the bed. Right, 549 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: what's your trans temperature? Where does it go that? If 550 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: that trans temp goes above two hundred degrees? I bet 551 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: you've got a restricted fancy word here, Larry, thermal bypass 552 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: valve on the trans cooler, all right, I bet it's 553 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: sticking shut. And it's it's it's seeing the raising temperature, 554 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 2: the lack of fluid. The converter's coming on. It's starting 555 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: to downshift. It's starting to act radically now and if 556 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 2: that's the case, you may find that solving that solves 557 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: the problem. But if you don't, then it goes on. 558 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: You may end up having to put a trans in it. 559 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm trying to avoid that just just as a possible 560 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: just as a possibility of direction. You know, typically typically 561 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: lower temperature, we typically see one hundred and forty one 562 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty degrees of trans cooler. If we see 563 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: two hundred degrees and more, that that trans is working 564 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: way too hot. It's possible that has a stuck bypass valve, 565 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: which would not be uncommon on that generation Silverado. And 566 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: it's I almost want to say, I can't remember if 567 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: it applied to the fifteens or not, but there was 568 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: sort of a campaign and a quiet recall, not a 569 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: manufacturer's recall, but if you took it into the deal 570 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: of the dealer was like, oh yeah, you need a 571 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: thermal bypass valve, and they were changing them no charge, 572 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: or they were doing it at a lower cost, trying 573 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: to make customer satisfaction a priority if you follow what 574 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying. So you know, but that's that's where I 575 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: think I would go with that, That's where I would 576 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: start for sure does. 577 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 5: That one throw a code then, because they I've ad 578 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 5: it on it. Nope, local mechanic here, and it would 579 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: it's not throwing a code of any sort in all. 580 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm going to sell a t shirt one of 581 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: these days. You know what it's going to say on it. 582 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: No code, No live by the code, die by the code. 583 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: I don't I don't care. I don't care if it's 584 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: got a code or not. I want to know what 585 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: the symptoms and the conditions are. Always always look for that. 586 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: The code just tells you that you're right, right, you know, 587 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: when you get a vehicle, when you get a vehicle 588 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: that's misfiring and you can accurately diagnose it and go, yeah, 589 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: it's a misfire on cylinder two, and then it sets 590 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: a P zero three zero two. You go, well, I 591 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: guess I was right. The computer agrees with me, you know. 592 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: But I'm not counting on the truck to tell me everything. 593 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: I've got to look at it all, all right. 594 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 5: Kiddo, Right, yep, Well, thanks a lot, You're very welcome. 595 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: Good luck. Let me know what happens A five five, five, 596 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero running any in the car? 597 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: Doctor flying through the hour. I'll be back right after this. 598 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: So I thought just for fun, because I'm always thinking, 599 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: you know, how can I make this show more interesting? 600 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: Funner's funner a word I think, so more funner. I 601 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: went to chat GPT this week and I asked it 602 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: a couple of questions, and I think we're going to 603 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: try this for a while and see what it works out, 604 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: I said, I asked it, I said, across the country, 605 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: what are drivers talking about? What does it you guys 606 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: want to know? So, according to chat GPT, artificial intelligence. 607 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: And I always say artificial intelligence sometimes is better than 608 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: real intelligence, especially when there's absence of it across the country. 609 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: You guys are asking, is now the time to hold 610 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: onto your car or cut your losses before teriff tack 611 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: on the estimated four to ten thousand dollars per vehicle 612 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: even more for evs. It says analysts estimate that there 613 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: will be twenty five percent import teriffs which will raise 614 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: car prices by four to ten thousand dollars at some 615 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: point this year, and up to twelve thousand dollars for evs. 616 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: And that comes to us out of Business Insider and 617 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: Financial Times staggering number and I agree with that, and 618 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: I think some of the things you have to think 619 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: about is all right, what's the total overall costs? Though too, 620 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: because there was also a conversation where I asked it. 621 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: I said, you know, what are people concerned about when 622 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: buying a new car, and it said cost. It seems 623 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: that the average price of a new vehicle now just 624 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: a grocery getter back and forth to work, a couple 625 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: of you know, creature comforts, air conditioning, power steering, which 626 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: is all standard stuff now anyway, right, and the safety 627 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: features forty eight eight dollars fifty g's and then people 628 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: are like everyday people like you and I were all 629 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: concerned about it, right, the cost of service plans and 630 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: service contracts and maintaining the vehicle and how long will 631 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: it last. It's all coming to roost. Average new car price, 632 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: it says, in June of this year, was forty eight, 633 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: six hundred and ninety nine dollars, and tariffs will push 634 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: them higher, forcing buyers to consider repair over replacement, which 635 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: I agree. I think that you are considering repair over replacement, 636 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: but I think you've got to commit that from the 637 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: right perspective. First of all, I think you've got to 638 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: have the right mechanic, and you've got to have a 639 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: good one, not a bad one, which obviously that's a criteria, 640 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: but you've also got to have some trust and faith 641 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: in them and understand that. And I've got a lot 642 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: of stories I could do that if this hour wasn't 643 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: And then where we talk about, well I put a transmission, 644 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: and if the transmission was six grand, g if he 645 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: needs an engine, that's eleven grand. That's seventeen thousand dollars 646 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: into a car, but it's fifty for a new one. 647 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: You know, does that seventeen? Call it twenty with odds 648 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: and ends? What does that get you? You guys are 649 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: thinking about a lot, which is why you need to 650 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: be here listening to me every weekend. A five, five, five, 651 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running ady in 652 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: the car. Doctor. It's been a pleasure till the next time. 653 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. Really, see you