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Speaker 1: a lot going on right now. So what are we
Speaker 1: talking about today?
Speaker 5: Angela? What you got?
Speaker 7: I got a lot of stuff, But I think what
Speaker 7: we are going to lean into a little bit is
Speaker 7: why Megan Kelly is on Serena's head. That's one question
Speaker 7: I have. That's one question I have. I'm gonna let
Speaker 7: y'all get into the other ones because I don't know
Speaker 7: which ones y'all.
Speaker 5: Want to start. Well, you'll come back.
Speaker 1: Megan Kellys there she got after our girl Jamel, and
Speaker 1: Jamel dragged her clear and cross America the last time,
Speaker 1: so she hasn't learned her lesson yet to keep black
Speaker 1: women's name out.
Speaker 5: Andrew, what you got?
Speaker 7: What's easy to do when you're tweeting in the basement
Speaker 7: in your drawers, fair point, and you.
Speaker 3: Not catch outside topic?
Speaker 5: We r Andrew.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the new threat facing not
Speaker 4: just democracy, but the new threat that could be coming.
Speaker 3: Really straight up our block.
Speaker 4: What Trump and his new executive memo suggest about where
Speaker 4: this democracy is going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and you mentioned that earlier on the call, Andrew,
Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to your breakdown on that
Speaker 1: because I have some questions for you and definitely some thoughts.
Speaker 1: And when we're talking about where democracy is going, I
Speaker 1: think right now we are at a complete standstill literally
Speaker 1: and figuratively. And that is, of course because the government
Speaker 1: shut down this week, and that is going to have
Speaker 1: a devastating impact for a lot of people. So I
Speaker 1: definitely want to talk about that, and I do, if
Speaker 1: there's time, want to get into this bad Bunny super
Speaker 1: Bowl performance which has taken the group chats, the newscasts,
Speaker 1: and the internets by storm. So I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we all agree about what this means,
Speaker 1: but I definitely want to get into that discussion.
Speaker 2: With you guys.
Speaker 3: So and of course questions.
Speaker 1: And yes, thank you Andrew, we will get into your
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Speaker 1: get into the show. Okay, before we get into the
Speaker 1: government shutdown. Can I just say really quickly, I want
Speaker 1: to pass the mic to Angela on this one actually,
Speaker 1: but I just want to say before I pass the
Speaker 1: mic about our show that we did live from the
Speaker 1: Congressional Black Caucus Foundations Annual Legislative Conference, I have to
Speaker 1: say thank you all so much for tuning in. I
Speaker 1: know there were some audio problems, and so we have
Speaker 1: reposted the show without those audio problems, so please definitely
Speaker 1: check that out. But a lot of you all just
Speaker 1: suffer through and listen to the show with the audio problems,
Speaker 1: so we did repost it for you. If you haven't
Speaker 1: checked that out, definitely please do. Great guests, we sat
Speaker 1: down with Governor Wes Moore and his wife. But this
Speaker 1: is what and I didn't say this on a call
Speaker 1: this morning intentionally because I wanted to say it on
Speaker 1: the show. You know, I our friendship stretches decades at
Speaker 1: this point. You know, I've known you guys for a while,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you can take friendship for granted
Speaker 1: when you know people for a while, Like I can
Speaker 1: call angel it too in the morning if I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew, I can be like I'm coming to
Speaker 1: Tallahas he let's kick it. And when Angela you gave
Speaker 1: your acceptance speech, I was so moved. And your father
Speaker 1: was seated next to me. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: the viewers will get to hear this, Please please please
Speaker 1: watch it on the CBCF Annual Legislative Conference show. But
Speaker 1: when you closed out the speech, your father was saying
Speaker 1: the words with you, because of course you you know,
Speaker 1: close it out, the black power anthem. And he didn't
Speaker 1: even say it like like he wanted to erupt an applause,
Speaker 1: like he said it like casually and was just looking
Speaker 1: at Angela. I was like bursting inside, like I was.
Speaker 1: We were all trying not to choke up. It was
Speaker 1: the end of the show. I wanted to stand up
Speaker 1: and applaud, but Papa Rye was just sitting there like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what else she supposed? That's why I raised, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is, right. It was such a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1: I sent that speech to everybody. I've been telling everybody
Speaker 1: to watch it. I was on Doctor Carr Show this
Speaker 1: week on Serious XM. I talked about it on that show,
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to say, like it was one
Speaker 1: of those moments where I was like, I take for
Speaker 1: granted that I get to be friends with people I'm
Speaker 1: fans of. I get to be friends with people who
Speaker 1: I admire, and I'm not gonna lie. I was a
Speaker 1: little mad when she was reading that speech. It's like
Speaker 1: I feel when I asked Michael Harry, like he's like
Speaker 1: up writing all day and then he comes and sends
Speaker 1: me what he wrote, and I'm like, you wrote that today,
Speaker 1: just in one tribe, that's what you did. Well, she was,
Speaker 1: I'm like, please tell me it took you six months
Speaker 1: to write that, because it was it would take me
Speaker 1: six months to write that. So I just am thrilled,
Speaker 1: and I had to say that. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: say it on the call. I wanted to say it
Speaker 1: to you in front of our audience. So super dope,
Speaker 1: super dope.
Speaker 3: Soon soon, I think I said to you that night
Speaker 3: like twice or three times, like I was really pierced. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I felt that. I felt that.
Speaker 4: And when you're used to and you are used to
Speaker 4: giving and certainly being on the receiving end of speeches,
Speaker 4: you can become numbs sometimes to the words that come
Speaker 4: out of people's mouths. But for you, Angela It's different
Speaker 4: because we know you. You don't traffic it insignificance.
Speaker 3: If you stay in a bar. It's a thing, and
Speaker 3: it had resonance. It really did that night.
Speaker 8: You and.
Speaker 4: A few others have particularly impact, but your standouts to me,
Speaker 4: and there's no more deserving person of that distinguished honor
Speaker 4: from Saturday.
Speaker 3: My only regret is that that whole room didn't get
Speaker 3: to hear what we got to hear. But they can
Speaker 3: hear it now if they go to Natives.
Speaker 5: They subscribe just if I can for a moment.
Speaker 7: And I know we're probably gonna get into the government shutdown,
Speaker 7: given the fact that now the government is in fact
Speaker 7: shut down, but I just wanted to shout this out
Speaker 7: to you guys. I ended up having an all star
Speaker 7: studied cast yesterday for our first on Tuesday for the.
Speaker 5: Solo Pod.
Speaker 7: Congressman Maxine Waters, where I worked for my first political
Speaker 7: job was with her, was on talking about the shutdown.
Speaker 7: Jasmine Crockett joined us as well to talk about the shutdown,
Speaker 7: but also talking about the fear she experiences right now
Speaker 7: and in real vulnerability in ways that really just touched
Speaker 7: me because I feel like our sister always has to
Speaker 7: show up in strength. So I'm so grateful that we
Speaker 7: were able to cultivate a safe space for her to
Speaker 7: really share how she feels in this moment. But also
Speaker 7: there was another woman who we love dearly on this
Speaker 7: show who joined us on the live show Saturday but
Speaker 7: had to leave. Otherwise we certainly would have given her
Speaker 7: the opportunity to also share the remarks she prepared. And
Speaker 7: that's jo Taka Edie, who received the alc CO Chairs
Speaker 7: Phoenix Award.
Speaker 5: She shared a beautiful speech.
Speaker 7: I know that it will drop on socials Wednesday if
Speaker 7: you are listening to this later, it will drop Wednesday.
Speaker 7: But I want to show her out too, because her
Speaker 7: speech is remarkable. So I want to thank y'all because
Speaker 7: none of the work that I'm doing would be possible
Speaker 7: without your grace, without understanding, without leaning in with us.
Speaker 5: And so y'all are my Phoenix Award winners every day.
Speaker 5: So thank you so much. But let me tell you
Speaker 5: who is not the Phoenix Awards winner.
Speaker 7: Y'all's president, because why the government shut down and why
Speaker 7: they trying to blame it on Democrats, on hood websites
Speaker 7: everywhere else, tip get into it.
Speaker 1: What we do. Let's get going on Well, you brought
Speaker 1: up that you got to talk to Congressman Jazmin Crockett
Speaker 1: this week on your solo pods, so I definitely, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind, I want to hear a piece of
Speaker 1: what she said. If people want to hear that whole conversation,
Speaker 1: of course, they can check it out on our YouTube page.
Speaker 1: I have not listened to the whole thing yet, so
Speaker 1: I would love to hear what Congresswoman Crockett had to say.
Speaker 1: But I just want to set the frame a little
Speaker 1: bit and forgive me if this is redundant, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys got into it a bit this week.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to make the point that this is
Speaker 1: not a normal shutdown, and I want to draw the
Speaker 1: distinction of what would have happened had Democrats access the
Speaker 1: Congressional resolution. It would have essentially given a green light
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump to continue his cuts to PBS. It
Speaker 1: would cut to cuts to foreign aid programs. It would
Speaker 1: be a green light to his big beautiful Bill that
Speaker 1: they call it, which essentially gives the richest Americans tax cuts,
Speaker 1: which would don't for a minute doubt it. It would
Speaker 1: be financed by cuts to Medicaid Medicare. I have members
Speaker 1: of my family on both food stamps. I have members
Speaker 1: in my immediate family on food stamps, clean energy resolutions.
Speaker 1: This bill would also make it harder for Americans to
Speaker 1: afford healthcare. And so the Democrats were calling, and you
Speaker 1: guys know, I am not a spokesperson for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I happen to be a voter who votes Democrat. But
Speaker 1: this is not in any way and owe to the party.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving information. It's it's difficult to excuse a
Speaker 1: shut down ever, because I get the frustration and it's
Speaker 1: going to hit peop. But I think it was important
Speaker 1: that Democrats held the line here. They don't control the
Speaker 1: House or the Senate. And so when you hear the
Speaker 1: GOP talking points that this is the Schumer shut down
Speaker 1: or this is the Democrats shut down, impossible. When they
Speaker 1: first passed the bill, the Big Beautiful Bill first passed
Speaker 1: the Senate last July, it only required fifty one Republican votes.
Speaker 1: Now they need it more so, Democrats all of a
Speaker 1: sudden became really important to pass this legislation. Now what
Speaker 1: it means now that the government has shut down, In
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's essentially been shut down for almost nine
Speaker 1: months now, the government hasn't been functional. They've consolidated power
Speaker 1: to the executive branch, so we really haven't seen a
Speaker 1: functional government. But now the shit is hit the van.
Speaker 1: So the shutdown is expected to put at least forty
Speaker 1: percent of the federal workforce, about seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people on unpaid leave. But don't get it twisted,
Speaker 1: they would not be the only people impacted. The GOP
Speaker 1: claims to be the party that supports the Military Will
Speaker 1: Act of Duty. Military service members will not receive a
Speaker 1: paycheck during the government shutdown. The White House has also
Speaker 1: threatened mass layoffs. This is a reduction in workforce and
Speaker 1: federal toises after they've already laid off so many people
Speaker 1: given furlough notices in the case of a shutdown. Well,
Speaker 1: some people argue this is illegal, and this has been
Speaker 1: basically a threat from the Office of Management Budget Director
Speaker 1: Russ Vaught, who is a problem. His whole career was
Speaker 1: based on combating CRT critical race theory, so that should
Speaker 1: let you know what he is. Food assistance programs will
Speaker 1: also be impacted, snap the supplemental nutritional program. Again, I
Speaker 1: have members in my family who are on this with
Speaker 1: the program for Women, infants, and Children. Both of these
Speaker 1: programs are expected to rapidly run out of funds. Social Security,
Speaker 1: social Security, to VA and other benefits will continue, However,
Speaker 1: there will still be some delays in services such as
Speaker 1: processing applications, air traffic control, and TSA. They're considered essential,
Speaker 1: so they will continue to go to work, but they
Speaker 1: will not be paid. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys remember when this happened in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: Increasingly air traffic controllers began to call in sick, which
Speaker 1: had a ripple effects on travel across the country. FEMA
Speaker 1: will keep functioning, but funds are also running low. So
Speaker 1: when you consider what this means at the state level,
Speaker 1: I'll take Louisiana for example, huge black population there. They
Speaker 1: have a program, the National Flood Insurance Program. It was
Speaker 1: managed by FEMA. It's been temporarily extended by Congress more
Speaker 1: than thirty times since twenty seventeen. It was created to
Speaker 1: provide insurance for those who don't have a private option. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funding expired at twelve one am midnight on Wednesday
Speaker 1: of this week. So these are going to be real problems.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you who will still continue to get paid.
Speaker 1: Members of Congress and the President himself will continue to
Speaker 1: collect paychecks. More than two hundred thousand members of law
Speaker 1: enforcement will continue to work. That's according to Homeland Security
Speaker 1: Director and the puppy killer Christy nome Ice, will continue
Speaker 1: their work as usual. Unfortunately, so we're looking at really
Speaker 1: dangerous times, you guys. And I, for myself, just to
Speaker 1: be transparent, I'm worried about my own funding because for
Speaker 1: the people in my family who receive these benefits, if
Speaker 1: they go away, then that means I will have to
Speaker 1: supplement what they spend and so on. Snap benefits. You
Speaker 1: already can't buy things like cleaning products, paper products, hot food,
Speaker 1: things like that. But that's okay because I can supplement
Speaker 1: those things from my family when it's needed. But when
Speaker 1: their entire benefits go away, then I will have to
Speaker 1: supplement their entire needs, from deodorant toothsbors. Think about everything
Speaker 1: you use on a daily basis to the foods you
Speaker 1: eat three meals a day. And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: make my family, you know, eat less or suffer through this.
Speaker 1: It will cost me more money. And I imagine that
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Who are we talked about this
Speaker 1: last week, Andrew, who are the people who made it?
Speaker 1: So to speak, this will cast a dark shadow across
Speaker 1: a lot of people's finances. And I just don't know
Speaker 1: where we go from here. So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: put that in context for our viewers and open it
Speaker 1: up to you guys to see that's real. Yeah, like WTA.
Speaker 4: To build off your example with the catastrophe fund, the
Speaker 4: supplemental sort of, I would like to call it the
Speaker 4: insurer of last resort, meaning if no other insurance is
Speaker 4: available to you, the government's the insurer of last resort
Speaker 4: for Louisiana. You think about hurrican Hurricane season is not over.
Speaker 4: I'm in Florida, so I stay pretty apparent and aware
Speaker 4: of it and say a storm word to come through
Speaker 4: during this period of time. Any losses, any losses to
Speaker 4: real estate, anything that was previously insured is now uninsured.
Speaker 4: The real cost for any of that passes directly to
Speaker 4: the individual owner themselves. Right, So you lose a house,
Speaker 4: you out of house. If you want one back, you
Speaker 4: got to pay for it full sale yourself. On the
Speaker 4: health insurance piece of this, we've already seen across the
Speaker 4: country people's premiums healthcare premiums, a piece that you have
Speaker 4: to pay before insurance kicks in, has gone up forty
Speaker 4: percent in some case, in some cases even more drastically.
Speaker 4: That's where the Democrats have laid down the steak in
Speaker 4: the sand. They've said, basically, please, please, please reauthorize the
Speaker 4: incentives that existed during.
Speaker 3: Well, frankly up to this point.
Speaker 4: And so Obamacare's adoption, the American Affordable Healthcare Acts adoption,
Speaker 4: all those went away. And so they said, look for
Speaker 4: our cooperation, for our votes to get to the sixty
Speaker 4: vote threshold you need in the Senate to plass culture.
Speaker 4: We will give you those votes if you put back
Speaker 4: those incentives so that health insurance can remain somewhat affordable
Speaker 4: for those who are already on the American Affordable Care Act.
Speaker 4: And of course the Republicans have resisted, the president resist.
Speaker 4: They are insisting on moving a trillion dollars from working people,
Speaker 4: working class Americans. They have shifted one trillion dollars, the
Speaker 4: largest wealth transfer in American history, from all of us
Speaker 4: to the top one percent, who aren't begging for it
Speaker 4: and don't need it, and absolutely don't deserve it. So
Speaker 4: they've chosen their side here. They're not choosing keep government
Speaker 4: open versus closed. That's not it, Tiffany.
Speaker 3: You laid it out perfectly.
Speaker 4: It's been closed. They've been shuttering the government. Russell Bott's
Speaker 4: threat to the Democrats, you vote with us or we
Speaker 4: will fire more people, that ain't real. And I'm glad
Speaker 4: the Democrats knew that that threat was not real. Why
Speaker 4: because they've already shown us they're committed to laying off
Speaker 4: the federal workforce. They're committed to destruction of the government
Speaker 4: as we know it. And whether Democrats were to acquiesce
Speaker 4: accept that challenge and then give them their vote or not,
Speaker 4: Russell vote, Donald Trump and their minions are intent on
Speaker 4: bringing the government down. And by the way, it will
Speaker 4: have huge impacts for our economy. Why because the federal
Speaker 4: government is the largest fricking employer in the land. Nothing bigger,
Speaker 4: nothing greater, nothing larger, nothing, employing more people than the
Speaker 4: federal government and its subcontractors.
Speaker 1: Oh won't get paid by the way, the contractor and
Speaker 1: they will not get back paid when the government functions again.
Speaker 3: And that's their defense. Yeah no, But except for defense.
Speaker 7: I wanted to just flag I actually don't have as
Speaker 7: much to say on government shut down today. On Tuesday,
Speaker 7: we did a many I mean a solo pod on
Speaker 7: the government shut down. I fell a buster for thirty minutes.
Speaker 7: So I feel like I said all that I need
Speaker 7: to say there. Y'all please run that thing back. And
Speaker 7: speaking of running that thing back, let's go ahead and
Speaker 7: hear what Jasmin Crockett has to say well.
Speaker 9: As it relates to the shutdown. Listen, the last time
Speaker 9: we had a shut down, it was Trump. The longest
Speaker 9: shutdown we've ever had, it was under Trump. So don't
Speaker 9: get caught up in this nonsense. That is the Democrat's fault.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 9: The bad part is that people don't understand civics or
Speaker 9: they listen to people that are gaslighting them. And the
Speaker 9: facts are the facts. The Republicans control everything.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 9: There are people that want to talk about the filibuster.
Speaker 9: We can talk about the philibuster if you want to
Speaker 9: talk about the philibuster. But the reality is that y'all
Speaker 9: control everything. You control every single lever right now. So
Speaker 9: when you're in control, that means that it is up
Speaker 9: to you to figure out how it gets done.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So yes, I think I feel complete on the.
Speaker 4: Not just say, for Jasmine Crockett, who is a hero
Speaker 4: in a state in her corner, She's not perfect. She
Speaker 4: is perfectly imperfect, and that's what makes her accessible in
Speaker 4: somebody that people want to replicate and be inspired by.
Speaker 3: But her point around, Lord, I just lost my threats.
Speaker 5: Well you know why, because we should probably move on
Speaker 5: to the next topic.
Speaker 1: Well, well, because I said, Andrew said no, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I remember you wanted to get to this true, and
Speaker 1: and people are the only reason I'm saying that, Angela's
Speaker 1: because people are going to be devastated by this. And
Speaker 1: I know that you had topics on how Jasmine Crockett
Speaker 1: and her humanity have been coming up. And just in
Speaker 1: case you are having the reason why Angela san move
Speaker 1: on is because her solo pod was an hour and
Speaker 1: a half Angela, is that right.
Speaker 5: With Yeah, my solo pod was out, Yes, Maxine Waters.
Speaker 5: Then I filibuster for a bit.
Speaker 7: Jazzmine's teams had a little bit of some technical difficulties.
Speaker 5: But it was so worth the way.
Speaker 7: And Andrew, you know, one of the things that I
Speaker 7: think is significant here as we navigate through this show,
Speaker 7: through this shut down, through this administration, is the ways
Speaker 7: in which folks who are in elected office and our
Speaker 7: public service, what you have to do to put your lives,
Speaker 7: your physical body, your emotional health on the line. And
Speaker 7: I think we were talking about, you know, just being
Speaker 7: concerned about our dear sister Jazzmine and making sure that
Speaker 7: we're covering her, especially when you know, the Laura Lumers
Speaker 7: of the world are saying all.
Speaker 5: Kind of crazy stuff, questioning intellect.
Speaker 7: Degrading them, calling them out their name for doing nothing
Speaker 7: but protecting black folks, you know, and what's in the
Speaker 7: best interests of the whole of the American people, whether
Speaker 7: or not the whole of the American people receive it
Speaker 7: or not.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I think to that end, we have
Speaker 5: to find multiple.
Speaker 7: Places to share, to be advocates in whatever our lanes
Speaker 7: are to be, to utilize our platforms and our talents
Speaker 7: to facilitate change in this country. We have to use
Speaker 7: every tool at our disposal, not just one solitary tool.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that reminded you, but if.
Speaker 3: Not, listen, Angela.
Speaker 4: You know I should have left a dead thing alone
Speaker 4: because it was a technical point and I completely lost
Speaker 4: the threads.
Speaker 3: So guess what, all, right?
Speaker 5: That what you said using the talents is bad, Bunny.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we have a viewer question who brought that up? So,
Speaker 1: but to close out, I just want to say.
Speaker 3: For those of you, I love y'all. I love y'all
Speaker 3: for y'all's pivoting and the cover is really humorous.
Speaker 5: Well, you guys cover me too.
Speaker 1: We all cover each other. But I just want to
Speaker 1: say before we move on, for all of you who
Speaker 1: are impacted by this government shutdown, who are now worried
Speaker 1: about how you're going to pay your mortgage, how you're
Speaker 1: going to feed your children, how you're going to take
Speaker 1: a care of family near and far, I too, am
Speaker 1: in that same situation with you. I understand, and we
Speaker 1: will be continuing to talk about it here on Native
Speaker 1: Lamb Pod. If you do want a deeper dive, though,
Speaker 1: please do revisit Angela's solo pod. It was an hour
Speaker 1: and a half just on the government checkout. So we're
Speaker 1: not breezing past this. It's just that it has not
Speaker 1: been talked about a lot, so thank.
Speaker 10: You for that.
Speaker 5: Keep we keep going from crisis to crisis.
Speaker 7: Yes, we keep like this is a manufacturer crisis that
Speaker 7: they do at our expense, over and over again, and
Speaker 7: that should not be lost on you.
Speaker 5: And just in time Andrew's point got it back then,
Speaker 5: you got it.
Speaker 3: You got it. So this was the point.
Speaker 4: It was Usually when there's a president and a Congress,
Speaker 4: they do everything that they can to avert a shutdown.
Speaker 4: Why because they know of the drastic harm that it
Speaker 4: causes people. This administration, the incentives are perverse. They're not
Speaker 4: incentivized to reduce harm. They're not incentivized to keep government
Speaker 4: open and accessible to the people.
Speaker 3: This president has determined that he.
Speaker 4: Is he is really loyal only to him at this point,
Speaker 4: as far as he's concerned, either there will be no
Speaker 4: more elections or he won't stand for another election for president,
Speaker 4: and therefore his poll numbers don't matter. And I wanted
Speaker 4: to bring in the point around these poll numbers that
Speaker 4: came out this week would show that pretty much, although
Speaker 4: underwater and unpopular, the president's support amongst Republicans remains not
Speaker 4: out of ten Republicans in this country still approve of
Speaker 4: his job. And so we've all been talking about and
Speaker 4: waiting for the reasonable ones to show up? Where are
Speaker 4: the ones who are the middle world? Where are the
Speaker 4: folks who are are reasonable in this moment and can
Speaker 4: see the harm that's being caused. I guess the illumination
Speaker 4: I had and I knew it all along, but confirmed
Speaker 4: reading these numbers this week is that there isn't that
Speaker 4: their wholesale signed up to the full scale agenda. So
Speaker 4: the tactics that they may find unpleasant along the way
Speaker 4: might just be just that unpleasant, but as it relates
Speaker 4: to the goal, their wholesale fully committed to the destruction
Speaker 4: that Donald Trump is sowing throughout this country, throughout the world,
Speaker 4: certainly throughout this government. So I just wanted to disavow
Speaker 4: us of the fact that this is in any way
Speaker 4: a real normal moment. We've got perverse incentives of a
Speaker 4: guy who actually gets the pleasure off of people doing bad,
Speaker 4: of people suffering in so many ways, you know, that
Speaker 4: is the point of what they're doing. And to the
Speaker 4: extent that there are reasonable people, I can't see it,
Speaker 4: and these poles confirm it.
Speaker 3: They don't exist.
Speaker 5: And sometimes people can be so bad it's good.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Angela's talking about I just want to
Speaker 1: point out, though factually you're talking, I'm pretty sure you're
Speaker 1: referring to the Reuter's pole there. Andrew and yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the pole. But yes, let's move on because I.
Speaker 5: Think it's so bad it's good.
Speaker 1: Angela really wants.
Speaker 5: To move on to this.
Speaker 3: Buddy.
Speaker 5: But m so we have a question.
Speaker 1: Let's hear from a from a viewer? Uh to shift
Speaker 1: us into the next subject.
Speaker 11: Hey, Native Lampard, this is Megan from Cleveland, Ohio. My
Speaker 11: question has to do about you know, was recently announced
Speaker 11: that Bad Bunny would be performed, I mean at the
Speaker 11: super Bowl, and I just want to know. You know,
Speaker 11: first of all, does anyone even remember Kendrick's performance? You know,
Speaker 11: with everything happening, everything that has happened, what really did
Speaker 11: that performance?
Speaker 6: Do you know?
Speaker 11: I don't know that we have more black ownership in
Speaker 11: the NFL. I don't know that we have more black
Speaker 11: head coaches on the field in the NFL. So we
Speaker 11: have these moments and it just seems like we're the
Speaker 11: only ones celebrating them. You know, they just seem performative.
Speaker 11: I don't know that they really do anything. I don't
Speaker 11: know what movement it actually makes for our community. So
Speaker 11: now with Bad Bunny performing, do we care what?
Speaker 6: What you know?
Speaker 11: Are we do we have an opinion on it at all?
Speaker 5: Are we excited. I don't know that I'm excited.
Speaker 11: They're letting us get up there in tap dance form,
Speaker 11: but we've always got up there in tap dance form.
Speaker 12: So just wanted to know you.
Speaker 11: Guys thoughts on it. Love Native Land, been a fans
Speaker 11: in Stay One, Take care of you guys.
Speaker 5: Thank you Megan for that question.
Speaker 1: We have gotten your feedback that we don't specifically answer
Speaker 1: your questions all the time, so I know, Angela, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts on this subject.
Speaker 7: Well, first, let me just say this because I think
Speaker 7: that people will relate, say, Jake, we remember Kidrick's performance, Like,
Speaker 7: not only do we remember Kidrick's performance, it is still
Speaker 7: firal right now. You could walk up to somebody and
Speaker 7: say da Da Da da and they know what it means.
Speaker 7: Like it wasn't just the song, it was the way
Speaker 7: that he uh challenged the fabric of America in his performance.
Speaker 5: And I think that.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that may be controversial
Speaker 7: to some of y'all. I think that one of the
Speaker 7: best things that could have happened to the super Bowl
Speaker 7: halftime show is that Rock Nation took it on and
Speaker 7: they have the ability to challenge the viewer, the typical
Speaker 7: NFL viewer, the folks who are in those stands. Overwhelmingly
Speaker 7: we cannot afford those tickets. Some parts of us can't
Speaker 7: afford those tickets. But those shows are for the viewing
Speaker 7: audience at home to challenge, for some to uplift, and
Speaker 7: for some to be able to have a man corner.
Speaker 5: While there has been, I.
Speaker 7: Think, particularly this year, a growing or over the last
Speaker 7: three hundred and sixty five, a growing divide even more
Speaker 7: so than normal between the black and brown communities, I
Speaker 7: think that it is very powerful that Bad Bunny has
Speaker 7: the opportunity, in the midst of what is happening to
Speaker 7: LATINX folks to have that stage. I really do, and
Speaker 7: I look forward to what he does there.
Speaker 5: I don't believe.
Speaker 7: That movements are built absent arts, whether they are the
Speaker 7: fine arts or performing arts. I think that they are
Speaker 7: built and inspired and carried through the arts.
Speaker 5: You know, to the point where I would.
Speaker 7: Ask for some artists to come together to do a
Speaker 7: song around state of the People, and that they would
Speaker 7: agree to do something like that.
Speaker 5: It is, I mean, there's a reason.
Speaker 7: Why we are the world had the impact it had,
Speaker 7: you know, even if you look back to Jason's lyric
Speaker 7: and there was a black male chorus, you will know,
Speaker 7: like there are moments self destruction, there are always moments
Speaker 7: where the arts carry the movement, carry the demands.
Speaker 5: Of the people. And I think that this isn't any different.
Speaker 5: And if it can be on a.
Speaker 7: Stage that is so well funded, so well choreographed, it's
Speaker 7: so overwhelmingly seen, I think that's exactly where the arts belong.
Speaker 3: That's real appreciate.
Speaker 5: Can I just say this to our dear sister from Cleveland.
Speaker 7: I know that it's not answering your question, but I
Speaker 7: do want to acknowledge your skin is poppinsis.
Speaker 5: Glowing.
Speaker 3: I love it. Shout out Began.
Speaker 4: I will say to answer very directly, halftime performances are
Speaker 4: performative by definition, they are really intended.
Speaker 3: No, I mean this by the sensitive.
Speaker 4: I think of late, we've gotten very high minded about
Speaker 4: our expectations for these kinds of performances. But largely, you know,
Speaker 4: it's to entertain. And it's only of late and at
Speaker 4: very selective moments in American history have we seen them
Speaker 4: catapult to something more, to be statement pieces, to be
Speaker 4: thought pieces, to be queries of the mind and of
Speaker 4: people who are watching to be moments of protests, but
Speaker 4: also moments of unity on occasion they are also, you know,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, representation matters. It matters to see yourself
Speaker 4: your experience reflected, and it matters especially on an occasion
Speaker 4: where there are more eyes on the television screen on
Speaker 4: one single set of programming, which hasn't frankly happened in
Speaker 4: this country for thirty forty years. You know, back in
Speaker 4: the day when there were only four networks, everybody forty
Speaker 4: million people were watching the same show at the same time.
Speaker 4: There was a common American experience that doesn't exist anymore
Speaker 4: in our country. By and large, this is probably one
Speaker 4: of those very few occasions where all eyes or as
Speaker 4: many eyes as you can imagine, are on one set
Speaker 4: of programming. And I like the fact that my white colleagues,
Speaker 4: my black colleagues, brown sisters and brothers out there, so
Speaker 4: on and so forth, are by and large experiencing this
Speaker 4: very same moment at the same time, and oddly enough,
Speaker 4: many of them still walking away with very different impressions
Speaker 4: and piercings and evaluations of what that thing meant to them.
Speaker 3: Usually the haters say that was boring that didn't need
Speaker 3: to happen. Da da da da dada.
Speaker 4: When did we become so political? And then those who
Speaker 4: are affirming of the performances and what they signify by
Speaker 4: virtual meaning are championing it.
Speaker 3: Man, that was high, that was wild? Did you see
Speaker 3: Do you understand the meaning of that? Wholesale? Incoment?
Speaker 4: Newspapers are writing thought pieces on what was intended by
Speaker 4: each piece of art and choreography, you know, as it unfolded.
Speaker 4: I just think that's powerful. There are very few moments
Speaker 4: anymore in this country where we have shared experience, even
Speaker 4: if our interpretations of that experience are different, and representation matters.
Speaker 1: You know, I take a completely different view than both
Speaker 1: of you. I acknowledge your points, and I definitely think they're.
Speaker 13: Like.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with them. I just have a different view.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with the viewer my sister from Cleveland,
Speaker 1: because I don't think she was saying that people don't
Speaker 1: remember Kendrick's performance in the sense that we've forgotten about it.
Speaker 1: I understood her to be saying, what did it change?
Speaker 1: You know, what policies did it change? And I certainly
Speaker 1: understand her point. In Okay, so they get the benefit
Speaker 1: of our eyes. These billionaire NFL owners who largely support
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and this administration and his policies, who have
Speaker 1: contributed to him, they get the benefit of black and
Speaker 1: brown talent at their halftime show. We increase their viewership
Speaker 1: when we watch the games and when we watched the
Speaker 1: halftime show. Even if he is there making a political
Speaker 1: statement and a political point, the question I'm asking is
Speaker 1: who's really winning and who's really losing. Just for backgrounds
Speaker 1: for people who may not be familiar with the whole
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny saga, he did a thirty one day residency
Speaker 1: in San Juan. He bypassed coming to the mainland is
Speaker 1: driving me crazy, because in the newscast you'll hear him say, well,
Speaker 1: he bypassed coming to the US. Well, Puerto Rico is
Speaker 1: a part of the United States. He bypassed coming to
Speaker 1: the mainland because of the mass ice deportations, which are
Speaker 1: of course unconstitutional, which are of course authoritarian, And he
Speaker 1: in an interview with ID magazine said I'm not doing
Speaker 1: my concerts. Their ice could literally be outside of my concert.
Speaker 1: So I applaud him for taking that stance. He left
Speaker 1: a lot of money on the table he was printed
Speaker 1: about it, and I really appreciate that. I too question
Speaker 1: what have we really gained since Rock Nation took over
Speaker 1: the halftime show other than some super dope halftime shows.
Speaker 1: Where I struggle, I think is what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: and what I think you guys are saying is messaging matters.
Speaker 1: You know, imagery matters at this time, and I think
Speaker 1: that's so true. That is definitely essential. This is a
Speaker 1: large audience, So given that, I hope he goes super hard,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope he is disrespectful at the halftime
Speaker 1: show because I think that's what it would take. I
Speaker 1: remember there were people saying they didn't get Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: What was he saying they didn't get the performance? If
Speaker 1: you ain't get it, it wasn't for you. I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of videos in my feed of people sitting there,
Speaker 1: like trying to learn Spanish, and they're like me, trying
Speaker 1: to learn Spanish, so I can understand everything. For the
Speaker 1: halftime show, people are definitely excited about it, but I
Speaker 1: do I think her point stands like, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this increase in black coaches. We haven't seen any NFL
Speaker 1: policy change, nor have we seen these halftime performances push
Speaker 1: any policy outside of the NFL even So I think
Speaker 1: it's a fair criticism, and I think we should.
Speaker 5: It is our job.
Speaker 1: It is our responsibility as consumers of Rock Nations music
Speaker 1: and as consumers of the NFL to continue to push
Speaker 1: them to give us more tangible change. Because I would
Speaker 1: even say, even if there were more black NFL coaches,
Speaker 1: like Okay, it was kind of like around the protest
Speaker 1: around Colin Kaepernick, I'm like, that's all we ask them
Speaker 1: for is but it's one black man to get a job,
Speaker 1: Like we need institutional change.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Andrew, I want to ask you when did
Speaker 4: when did halftime performances and the entertainers who entertain us
Speaker 4: during that time like get tasked with the responsibility of
Speaker 4: creating public policy change.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's their responsibility to create policy change.
Speaker 1: I think at the time that Rock Nation took over
Speaker 1: the halftime show, that is what centered because that's why
Speaker 1: it happened, because people were critical of the NFL. It
Speaker 1: was on the heels of them completely disrespecting and sidelining
Speaker 1: and robbing Colin Kaepernick of employment and opportunity. And so
Speaker 1: when it was beneficial for them to turn something over
Speaker 1: to a black man. That's when they did it. And
Speaker 1: so the pushback from the black community was like, oh,
Speaker 1: hold up, what's going on. I mean, Colin Kaepernick wasn't
Speaker 1: supportive of the move so people were saying, what are
Speaker 1: we getting out of this? And so that was and
Speaker 1: Angel correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that
Speaker 1: was their response, like, no, we're gonna, you know, make
Speaker 1: this a moment, make this a movement. These halftime shows
Speaker 1: will be a movement. I think that's when the halftime
Speaker 1: show became political. For the expectation of it was to
Speaker 1: be political and give pushback. But I'm open to if
Speaker 1: I have that wrong.
Speaker 4: No, but to that extent, I would say the shows
Speaker 4: of late actually have been more political, and they have
Speaker 4: provoked an awoken, real conversation and debate within the American
Speaker 4: peace and I actually think like that's the change that
Speaker 4: has even if it draws us to our corners, at
Speaker 4: least we start to hear people articulate what's driving them
Speaker 4: to one corner or another. We are so beref of
Speaker 4: honest dialogue anymore as a country. I mean, like I
Speaker 4: used to think that Republicans had a set of values around.
Speaker 4: For instance, they used to be the party of don't
Speaker 4: tread on Me, and now there anything but that anymore. Right,
Speaker 4: Yet there's still claiming and you know, shrouding themselves in
Speaker 4: the American flag, And I'm like, how dishonest can you be?
Speaker 4: Either you line to you, because I know you've been
Speaker 4: lying to me. I didn't expect the truth from you,
Speaker 4: but to themselves, And so I appreciate what dialogue can
Speaker 4: be sparked there, because in truth, public policy change around
Speaker 4: diversity and inclusion doesn't change people's hearts and minds. It's
Speaker 4: culture that changes hearts and minds. It's culture that largely
Speaker 4: causes you to think differently about a thing, to be
Speaker 4: pricked in a way that is not totally offensive, and
Speaker 4: therefore you might be open to what the critique is.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of what art helps to I
Speaker 3: don't think we're in a mad society.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're dealing with those we're dealing with extremists,
Speaker 1: We're dealing with culton.
Speaker 4: I agree with that by and large. For those of
Speaker 4: us who are political, I agree with that by and large.
Speaker 4: But again, you know, half the country ain't voting and
Speaker 4: the majority of support that we need to be having
Speaker 4: out there is amongst each other, is with community. And
Speaker 4: so to the extent that this sced conversation that wasn't
Speaker 4: happening before.
Speaker 3: I mean really before we were.
Speaker 4: Talking about somebody titty being out right and Timberlay getting
Speaker 4: off while somebody else is carrying the load. And now
Speaker 4: people are talking about what is the symbolism and the
Speaker 4: meaning behind this that part while taking ownership of the flag,
Speaker 4: but in a different way. Now I feel more connected
Speaker 4: to my country and to my community.
Speaker 3: I just think that's I.
Speaker 1: Think our side.
Speaker 3: I was about to value that.
Speaker 1: I think we've always been talking about that though, Like
Speaker 1: I just I agree with the caller or the viewer's point.
Speaker 1: What exactly is this changing? What institutional changes has the
Speaker 1: NFL made, and what changes do we think these performances
Speaker 1: make other than enriching the pockets of billionaires who support
Speaker 1: this administration and their policies. What I would like the
Speaker 1: audience to know because of bad Bunny bypassing the United
Speaker 1: States and why he is is right now, immigrants with
Speaker 1: no criminal record zero criminal record are the largest group
Speaker 1: in US immigration detention centers. That's according to data released
Speaker 1: by our own United States government. So when we're looking
Speaker 1: at that, I can understand why people are saying, I
Speaker 1: don't know, if you know, I'm excited about this bad
Speaker 1: Bunny performance more than I am outraged about what's actually
Speaker 1: happening in the country. But I don't want to be
Speaker 1: hypcrit I will be watching the halftime show and go ahead, Angela, yeah, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, No.
Speaker 7: And I think this is the thing, right, It's like,
Speaker 7: you know, we have somebody or an entity that is
Speaker 7: willing to push the buck with these folks because they
Speaker 7: have some influence. They've been able to shift. Folks would
Speaker 7: be mad as hell if it was Kid Rock, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. So now it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: these racist NFL owners, of which there are many, right,
Speaker 7: So you still have the NFL running this show, but
Speaker 7: the owners still have outside influence. Many of them think
Speaker 7: they are right, we don't say many. Too many of
Speaker 7: them think they are running plantations. And so when you
Speaker 7: have that ideology and you have somebody willing to push
Speaker 7: back on this, yes it is just the halftime performance,
Speaker 7: And yes it is the halftime performance. That is the
Speaker 7: very thing that if it were not these artists that
Speaker 7: we actually do support politically or we do feel like
Speaker 7: we're aligned with them on social issues or social justice causes.
Speaker 7: We would be mad if it was somebody else, like
Speaker 7: the many of the artists. No, Taylor, Taylor is more
Speaker 7: aligned with us politically and on social issues than some others.
Speaker 7: But I do think bad Bunny makes a different statement
Speaker 7: than Taylor does. And so yeah, like I just I
Speaker 7: think that it's interesting that it's like you damned if
Speaker 7: you do, damned if you don't hear. The other thing
Speaker 7: that I'll say without saying too much, is I really
Speaker 7: wish people knew the backstory of what happened and how
Speaker 7: they got to doing the halftime shows to begin with,
Speaker 7: of what their actual intention was. There wasn't a real
Speaker 7: different end goal than what the rest of the community was,
Speaker 7: and that was for Cap to get on a team.
Speaker 7: But I wonder for us if Cap getting on the
Speaker 7: team would have been sufficient. If Cap got on a team,
Speaker 7: would we still have the issues around the lack of
Speaker 7: black head coaches in the NFL when we still have
Speaker 7: an issue with the fact that only seventeen percent or
Speaker 7: eighteen percent of coaches look like us. The fact despite
Speaker 7: the fact that seventy five percent of the players look
Speaker 7: like us, so I really want us to also challenge
Speaker 7: our own hypocrisy here. And I'm saying us black folks,
Speaker 7: because it is far deeper than that. But I recognize
Speaker 7: and understand the symbolism. We have to decide if the
Speaker 7: symbols are the substance or if we're going to continue
Speaker 7: to push for substance even when we get some of
Speaker 7: the symbols. And I think that it is not either or.
Speaker 7: It is probably a both and approach. But we got
Speaker 7: to figure out, you know, what is the symbol that
Speaker 7: we care the most about and when we're going to
Speaker 7: challenge them for upholding the symbol but dissing us on
Speaker 7: everything else, or should we be doing both? And I
Speaker 7: think this is probably one of those things where we
Speaker 7: should do both. We've got to win on the halftime show.
Speaker 7: It is not sufficient, and I think the Rock Nation
Speaker 7: family understands that, and certainly everybody on this podcast understands this.
Speaker 7: There is another viewer question here, and since you brought
Speaker 7: up Ice Tiff, maybe we should tap in there.
Speaker 5: But I heard Andrew take a breasth case he wants no.
Speaker 4: I just I think we shouldn't overload people with doing
Speaker 4: everything we all have our jobs. We all have our
Speaker 4: roles to play. Policymakers have a job to do here,
Speaker 4: the board of these multilateral corporations who are sponsors to
Speaker 4: the commercials that play that largely line the pockets of
Speaker 4: the networks, and these owners, they have a role to play. Also,
Speaker 4: entertainers who are really invited to just entertain have a
Speaker 4: responsibility in a role to play given their platforms. And
Speaker 4: I don't want to overload any one side of this
Speaker 4: with more than what they're reasonable and righteous responsibility ought
Speaker 4: to be in the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I would push back on that a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think rock Nation became the you know,
Speaker 1: jay Z and rock Nation became billionaires off of us
Speaker 1: supporting his music his projects early on. So I think
Speaker 1: black people are always righteously entitled to challenging what he's
Speaker 1: done with that level of responsibility.
Speaker 7: I would never that's not entirely true though, Like he
Speaker 7: did not become a billionaire just off of streams. He
Speaker 7: became a billionaire after several other business deals.
Speaker 5: But he became a billionaire.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he does, but he did. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying every billion he got was from us, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying from the support that black people gave him that
Speaker 1: put him in a position to flip that money a
Speaker 1: few times.
Speaker 7: But that was the finesse of a smart businessman investing
Speaker 7: in I'm not taking.
Speaker 1: That away from him, but he wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to do that much if he didn't have to support
Speaker 1: of black people. So that then say, we can't challenge
Speaker 1: him and what he's doing.
Speaker 5: That challenge it, but I think you should listen to
Speaker 5: the facts of their responses though too. I think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, well I shouldn't say unfortunately or not,
Speaker 1: but Colin Kaepernick was you know, vocal about his thoughts
Speaker 1: on the partnership, and that's what we heard. And I
Speaker 1: think the imagery that we've seen, you know, from them
Speaker 1: dining with uh, you know, the the Trump kids and
Speaker 1: people right after.
Speaker 5: That announced and bad Bunny would be the halftime performer.
Speaker 5: That doesn't But that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't not a lot of people. That does not wait
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I think people have a
Speaker 1: right to be outraised and angry about those things. They
Speaker 1: can be, but I want them to be outraged and
Speaker 1: angry with facts. So then even the comment just now
Speaker 1: about they were dining with the Trump kids. Let's just
Speaker 1: put some clarity around this.
Speaker 5: So they are. They are.
Speaker 7: Some of the founding members of the Reform Alliance, which
Speaker 7: was a bipartisan effort to help get people, reduce people's sentences,
Speaker 7: make sure that justice reform actually happened in this country.
Speaker 7: Even the Koch Brothers were a part of these efforts
Speaker 7: with Hikim Jeffries just a few years ago.
Speaker 5: Now it feels like five hundred.
Speaker 7: But the Reform Alliance is holds a gala, a casino
Speaker 7: event every year where people on every side of the
Speaker 7: on all parts of the political spectrum, participate in that event.
Speaker 7: So the Trump's Jared Kushner, whose father was also incarcerated
Speaker 7: and therefore he leaned very heavily into justice reform efforts
Speaker 7: in the last Trump administration, is now involved in the
Speaker 7: Reform Alliance, and they participated in the most recent event.
Speaker 7: It was Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.
Speaker 1: And the reason his father was exactly the reason that
Speaker 1: father was parsrated is a whole other thing. But thank you,
Speaker 1: because I think that that the facts do matter around that.
Speaker 1: But if we're saying imagery matters in the halftime show,
Speaker 1: then imagery definitely equally matters when you are seated at
Speaker 1: the table with Jarrek Kushner at a time such as this,
Speaker 1: when things are going on, I think it is perfectly
Speaker 1: fine for people to question, wait a second, this doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right to me, or wait a second, what more
Speaker 1: are you doing? What more can we should we be
Speaker 1: expecting of you? It's not this to anybody, But I
Speaker 1: was talking to one of our luner. I don't think
Speaker 1: he would want me to say his name, but I
Speaker 1: was talking to one of our luminaries of the time,
Speaker 1: asking his thoughts, and he said, listen, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, a billionaire is a billionaire is a billionaire,
Speaker 1: And so I think sometimes I do question that. You know,
Speaker 1: I look at the peopleeople who in our community who
Speaker 1: maneuver at that level, and there does sometimes feel like
Speaker 1: a disconnect. But I also think it's fair what you
Speaker 1: guys are saying about imagery mattering, and about what we
Speaker 1: should what's realistic, what we can expect, and should we
Speaker 1: be celebrating the things that they are doing. I think
Speaker 1: everything on the table I think is fair. I just
Speaker 1: identify more with what the viewer, what she was raising.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question to ask.
Speaker 4: The only thing I know we got to go on
Speaker 4: is simply say we could. We could disrupt the lives
Speaker 4: of these billionaire, racist owners, many of too, many of
Speaker 4: which right now owned teams and think they run in plantations.
Speaker 4: For sure, if we decided to take our eyes off
Speaker 4: the screen every Sunday, very fought if we were to
Speaker 4: remove ours, because the accountability has to.
Speaker 3: Flow all way.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 4: It isn't just Jaz, It ain't just the you know,
Speaker 4: the owners. It is the fact that they wouldn't have
Speaker 4: what they have. The NFL would not be the expanding,
Speaker 4: profound industry, you know, disruptive industry that it is from
Speaker 4: me and so much else if our eyeballs were not
Speaker 4: on it, if we were not watching, if we weren't
Speaker 4: attending games and buying tickets. And the truth is is
Speaker 4: if we the regular folk, were to remove our support
Speaker 4: visa VI, putting our eyes on it, therefore driving money
Speaker 4: toward it, then that wouldn't be the thing.
Speaker 3: Ross wouldn't be a thing. Right, So accountability is right.
Speaker 4: I was only simply arguing not just what's possible or
Speaker 4: what's reasonable, but to say that I do have expectations
Speaker 4: for everybody along this along this pipeline, and it doesn't.
Speaker 4: I was simply saying, it doesn't sit with Bad Bunny
Speaker 4: himself to accomplish all those missions by through his performance.
Speaker 3: It doesn't sit with jay Z by himself. It doesn't
Speaker 3: sit with any one of those.
Speaker 4: Constituencies by themselves, but the most impactful constituency of those
Speaker 4: of us who are watching.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: Can I just say I really love this conversation. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect this conversation to go all these different dress
Speaker 1: I knew there was daylight, but it really is a
Speaker 1: New Wants conversation. I don't think we would have gotten
Speaker 1: this conversation anywhere else on the cable news. It would
Speaker 1: have been a five minute thing. So I really love
Speaker 1: the nuanced perspective that we all bring and would love
Speaker 1: to hear from our viewers. Please weigh in with what
Speaker 1: you all think. I love what you said, Andrew, And
Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing people who love football, because when this
Speaker 1: was happening, I remember, y'all know I'm a big huge
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones head, and I was trying to think, like, damn,
Speaker 1: what if it was called a boycott? Not watching Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones? How get So would I be like, am
Speaker 1: I gonna miss that Game of Thrones finale?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I get that perspective, but I like the exactly
Speaker 1: But I appreciate the perspective that you're like, responsibility doesn't
Speaker 1: sit with any one of us, for everybody who's out
Speaker 1: there watching the football game but criticizing the halftime show,
Speaker 1: like what are you doing in your role of responsibility?
Speaker 1: So I love that. But but a lot of the
Speaker 1: stems from bad Bunny not bringing his tour to the
Speaker 1: mainland because he said, you know, ICE could be right
Speaker 1: outside his concerts, and I know we have a viewer
Speaker 1: who has a question about that.
Speaker 8: What's up? Native Land is Larry once again in Dallas,
Speaker 8: soon to be in Canada once I move next month.
Speaker 8: But I want to talk to you guys about the
Speaker 8: bad Body Built bill that Trump just signed into law.
Speaker 8: This is going to give ICE an astounding amount of funding.
Speaker 13: Not only would dollar for dollar make it the largest
Speaker 13: governmental agency, but also I believe I read the sixteenth
Speaker 13: largest military power on the planet.
Speaker 8: That's terrible. I see this going horribly not only for immigrants,
Speaker 8: but for everybody that dissents against this fascist agenda. I
Speaker 8: wanted to know from you guys, what are some steps
Speaker 8: of disruption or mutual aid that people can do to
Speaker 8: combat ICE and or the undoubtedly problemat of consequences that
Speaker 8: this new Gestapo force is going to have on average citizens.
Speaker 8: Looking forward to hearing your perspectives. I love y'all, and
Speaker 8: welcome home.
Speaker 5: Welcome home, he said, he moving to Canada.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, you got a question, though, don't get side.
Speaker 1: We don't answer that question. I know, well, my thought
Speaker 1: is to be disobedient. What I've seen from and this
Speaker 1: is just like videos that unfortunately you don't find on
Speaker 1: legacy media, but you've seen videos from different outlets that
Speaker 1: find their way to social media and on different news
Speaker 1: sites where communities overwhelmingly show up and stop ICE from
Speaker 1: taking somebody. They make them and welcome to the point
Speaker 1: where ICE literally backs out. They outnumber them in droves.
Speaker 1: They videotape them. Ice is now attacking people who are
Speaker 1: videotaping them. This week, they just attacked a journalist. This
Speaker 1: is not a normal thing. I mean, we are literally
Speaker 1: normalizing mass men uh taking people off the streets and
Speaker 1: disappearing them. Reporting from CNN sites that authorities in at
Speaker 1: least three states have arrested individuals allegedly impersonating ICE officers
Speaker 1: at a time when real ICE agents have, you know,
Speaker 1: ramped up their disappearing acts, and it's adding to an
Speaker 1: existing fear of law enforcement. I said earlier in the
Speaker 1: show that more people who have committed no crimes whatsoever,
Speaker 1: they now outnumber these allegedly violent criminals. There have also
Speaker 1: been thousands of people since these deportations happened. More than
Speaker 1: a thousand people have disappeared. We just don't know where
Speaker 1: they are. They've disappeared from the daily body count. So
Speaker 1: imagine people can't find, you know, their loved ones. The
Speaker 1: superintendent of schools in Iowa, for all the people who
Speaker 1: said this an r when we mind in our business,
Speaker 1: this black man who was born in Guyana, a pillar
Speaker 1: of the community, was disappeared by ice. And so this
Speaker 1: is a dangerous, scary time and the only thing that's
Speaker 1: gonna stop and authoritarian regime is disobedience. I had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk with Congressman Ayana Pressley about this during
Speaker 1: the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, and she gave really good
Speaker 1: advice on this about protecting ourselves and our community. So
Speaker 1: I'm not telling people to go out there and get
Speaker 1: shot and you know, confront ice officers with violence. But
Speaker 1: I do think when we do this in DROs and
Speaker 1: in numbers and demand you know, accountability and respect for
Speaker 1: our communities and show up for one another. If there's
Speaker 1: eighteen agents going after one person and it's thirty people
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, then yes, protect that one person. If
Speaker 1: you see somebody getting taken, get out your phone, ask
Speaker 1: their name. Who can you call, you know, to let
Speaker 1: them know that you were taken. It's getting to the point,
Speaker 1: well I feel like I want to AirTag on me somewhere,
Speaker 1: just so somebody can constantly be aware I'm aware of
Speaker 1: where I am. Because they're not citizens, then none of
Speaker 1: us are citizens if they came and got injury. Right
Speaker 1: now that you're not a citizen, bo, But wait, yes
Speaker 1: I am. I have a passport, I can show you. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't get due processed, so now you're just disappeared.
Speaker 1: So we have to consider it's not they, it's we.
Speaker 1: It's not them, it's us. Eventually this problem is going
Speaker 1: to come to our front door. So that's my thoughts.
Speaker 8: So good, so good.
Speaker 4: It already is I appreciate that SYS. I mean in
Speaker 4: places like Florida, where you have huge Haitian Haitian communities
Speaker 4: that have been displaced from hat because of the political
Speaker 4: discord there and have been granted asylum under previous administrations
Speaker 4: and have now had it revoked from this administration.
Speaker 3: They are racially profiling.
Speaker 4: They are deciding whether or not you look like you
Speaker 4: belong here, by the way, a principle that used to
Speaker 4: be illegal in the United States thanks up until the
Speaker 4: US Supreme Court majority determined that, oh, racial profiling to
Speaker 4: determine whether or not a person is a citizen.
Speaker 3: It's just fine with with them.
Speaker 4: The only other thing I would add, and I think
Speaker 4: you did so well with their Tiffany, is to say
Speaker 4: at your local levels. So the entire state of California
Speaker 4: has now banned federal agents coming in without with masks,
Speaker 4: mass individuals disappearing to use your language, sipetany folks out
Speaker 4: of communities. You can push for local ordinances where you live.
Speaker 4: You got to go local government that is sensitive to
Speaker 4: these human rights concerns. I am totally not shocked that
Speaker 4: there are now criminal elements who are deciding, oh, we
Speaker 4: could just throw on some masks and go and get
Speaker 4: our enemies as well and lift them off the street.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why people got badges and badge numbers.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why they wear those things on their
Speaker 4: uniforms and display them for the public. It's a form
Speaker 4: of accountability in a democracy, and now we ought to
Speaker 4: be pushing for that same accountability even for this agency.
Speaker 4: He is also completely right on the DHS on the
Speaker 4: Homeland Security. The President frankly building his own army, domestic
Speaker 4: army to carry out his wishes. While the military he
Speaker 4: may have been frozen and didn't applaud for him, which
Speaker 4: is in practice the right thing. That the military is
Speaker 4: to be non political, to respect the office of the presidency,
Speaker 4: but not to be partisans.
Speaker 3: So the president, that wasn't good enough for him.
Speaker 4: He wanted obeisance, applause, rowdiness and supporting him.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Now through his pin up Gnome and the force that
Speaker 4: she is building under the Department of Homeland Security, he
Speaker 4: is absolutely building his own domestic army, willing and prepared
Speaker 4: to do his bidding. And I think that's just a
Speaker 4: cautionary note that we all have to be aware of.
Speaker 4: But there are things I think we should be advocating
Speaker 4: for at our local levels, and that should be no masks.
Speaker 4: If you're an arresting official agency of the government, you
Speaker 4: ought to be able to have your name and displayed
Speaker 4: and no masks.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: On that Andrew again.
Speaker 7: Jasmine Crockett was on with this earlier this week and
Speaker 7: she has a bill, the clear Id Act, to prohibit
Speaker 7: people from being in law enforcement and wearing masks approaching
Speaker 7: citizens or any human being on the street without having
Speaker 7: to properly identify yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, why do we have another viewer question? This one
Speaker 1: is actually specific to Angela's. I want to shift this
Speaker 1: so Angela can answer his question.
Speaker 5: Let's roll it.
Speaker 6: My question, Angela is does it serve a purpose? The
Speaker 6: only call out people from the right that call our
Speaker 6: justice Brown Jackson, who I think is genius in VP
Speaker 6: Harris the EI picks when it was actually Canada Biden
Speaker 6: and the Democratic Party that originally called them the EI picks.
Speaker 11: Correct me if I'm wrong, But.
Speaker 6: Wasn't it day Kenneda Biden, in this attempt to get
Speaker 6: the black vote say that he will pick a black
Speaker 6: woman justice before even naming her name. And then it
Speaker 6: was a Democratic Party that turned around and urged.
Speaker 3: Canada Biden to de pick a black.
Speaker 11: Women for VP.
Speaker 13: So would you.
Speaker 6: Agree that that was a mistake on the part of
Speaker 6: the Dems actually naming a I guess the sense and
Speaker 6: the race before I actually name it the name.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Okay.
Speaker 7: So here's the thing that I just want to do here,
Speaker 7: I think is so important. As Andrew said, we do
Speaker 7: not traffic in insignificance here, and we absolutely want to
Speaker 7: make sure that we traffic in fact checking. So it
Speaker 7: was not Joe Biden who began the DEI rhetoric. I
Speaker 7: don't know of any Democratic candidate even there are Democratic
Speaker 7: Party strategies now who are saying that we spend too
Speaker 7: much time in DEI.
Speaker 5: And for those of you who missed it, spending.
Speaker 7: Too much time in DEI means spending too much time
Speaker 7: targeting the Blacks. So we actually believe, and I won't
Speaker 7: say for y'all, but I believe in a moniker that
Speaker 7: the Congressional Black Caucus has long used no permanent friends,
Speaker 7: no permanent enemies, just permanent interest. To that end, when
Speaker 7: Joe Biden became the nominee of the Democratic Party nominee
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty, he was actually pushed to do some things.
Speaker 7: There were some key voices that urged him to not
Speaker 7: only pick a black woman vice president, to also pick
Speaker 7: a black women as a Supreme Court justice, and to
Speaker 7: have a black agenda that's not too pander. That's not
Speaker 7: because black people should only be janitors and car salesmen.
Speaker 7: It's actually because, I believe it or not, there's some
Speaker 7: pretty bad ass black women that want these things, demanded
Speaker 7: these things, And I'm a rolling a little clip for
Speaker 7: y'all from twenty twenty from some badass black women who
Speaker 7: made these demands.
Speaker 9: Vice President Biden, you need us, you owe us.
Speaker 3: Black women are miracle workers.
Speaker 5: We have been saving the Democratic Party since nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty is no different.
Speaker 14: Your only path to victory is through Black women.
Speaker 5: The voters that need to turn out. We know how
Speaker 5: to mobilize them. Our votes must not be taken for granted.
Speaker 1: The following commitments will begin to show black voters that
Speaker 1: you are serious about US.
Speaker 5: America needs a black woman vice president. Candidates like Amy
Speaker 5: Klobuchar will not energize US. America needs a.
Speaker 1: Justice.
Speaker 5: Remember Anita Hill.
Speaker 1: We do America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda.
Speaker 3: The rules are rigged against our communities.
Speaker 14: Whether we are talking about a black person who died
Speaker 14: of COVID nineteen because of the lack of access to
Speaker 14: health care, or Ahmad Arbury being killed by vigilantes, or
Speaker 14: Brianna Taylor, an e and t killed by police while
Speaker 14: laying in her bed.
Speaker 11: We deserve solutions that address systemic racism, economic injustice, and
Speaker 11: domestic terrorism.
Speaker 7: Joe Biden, you enacted drug and crime laws that harmed
Speaker 7: the black community for generations.
Speaker 5: Joe Biden, this must be addressed.
Speaker 14: You must address our oppression and most importantly, embrace our
Speaker 14: power to win the White House.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the only thing I would add. I
Speaker 4: think I see your receipts, Frian, and we appreciate.
Speaker 5: I know that receipts.
Speaker 3: I see that I got a sweater.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: There she's talking about the show.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I like the shirt, but I
Speaker 5: like her nails. Press on, I'm gonna get some love it.
Speaker 4: So on this topic, it's just so blackfeof all the time.
Speaker 4: We ask what are we getting for our support? What
Speaker 4: do we get We're the most loyal committed demographic to
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party, and what do we have to show
Speaker 4: for it. Just to go a little bit further back,
Speaker 4: we also made demands on Obama that he make that appointment,
Speaker 4: that final appointment that he had to the Supreme Court
Speaker 4: a black woman. He of course made a different choice.
Speaker 4: I hope we can see how regrettable that whole thing
Speaker 4: was anyway, But to the point of us finally demanding
Speaker 4: something for the incredible, inconsistent, reliable support that black folks,
Speaker 4: men and women, but led first by women give to
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party, it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: It was a very obvious observation to have made, to say,
Speaker 4: all the way up to this point, there is still
Speaker 4: not the perspective of a black woman on the highest
Speaker 4: court in the land. Why And that's a reasonable question
Speaker 4: to be asked, and, by the way, the same question
Speaker 4: that people in other communities ask all the time when
Speaker 4: it comes to representation. And so the fact that he
Speaker 4: chose a black women, a woman or a diversity inclusion
Speaker 4: higher still doesn't believe the fact that she's the baddest,
Speaker 4: most qualified, most outstanding justice I have ever seen on
Speaker 4: the United States Supreme Court. I'm a little biased because
Speaker 4: she's from Florida and Miami, but more than anything, she's.
Speaker 3: Also highly qualified.
Speaker 4: I would just caution our community not to accept this
Speaker 4: narrative that diversity, equity, inclusion means didn't deserve it, didn't
Speaker 4: earn it, or isn't qualified. That's what the other side
Speaker 4: wants us to believe about what it means. When you say,
Speaker 4: God damn it, a community is not represented, their voice
Speaker 4: is not at the table. That doesn't mean get the
Speaker 4: most unqualified person, person without the proper credentials.
Speaker 3: No, that's what Trump does.
Speaker 4: That's why they've had to raise rave waive so many
Speaker 4: rules to get his people appointed who are not qualified.
Speaker 4: We're simply saying we want to be represented. And by
Speaker 4: the way, the best of us exists, and droves choose
Speaker 4: one of us to represent at this particular level. So
Speaker 4: my only caution is, let's not accept their frame about
Speaker 4: what it means to have diverse workplaces, diverse leadership, diverse ownership,
Speaker 4: diverse anything. Diversity does not equal unqualified. Diversity means I
Speaker 4: need to see myself reflected, and you need to diversity
Speaker 4: of perspectives in order to see the whole picture more clearly.
Speaker 4: That's what we get through diversity of qualified people.
Speaker 1: And I have a question, Andrew, because one I echo
Speaker 1: everything you just said. And I'm thrilled always to see
Speaker 1: the machetes make their appearance on Native Land pod. That
Speaker 1: was from an OpEd that we did for the Washington
Speaker 1: Post in twenty twenty, and they asked us to do
Speaker 1: a video component. So thrilling to see the women most
Speaker 1: mostly those women are machetes anyway, So shout out to
Speaker 1: my sisters. But Andrew, when you're talking about like coming
Speaker 1: after US diversity, equity and inclusion, you were talking about
Speaker 1: on the call that there's this new piece of legs,
Speaker 1: like essentially the Trump administration is coming after us and
Speaker 1: basically trying to requalify who's the domestic terrorist is so
Speaker 1: much trying to keep up with the news every time
Speaker 1: it's a Trump administration. I always say, it's like trying
Speaker 1: to catch comfetti. I cannot keep up. So I had
Speaker 1: no idea what you were talking about, but you seem
Speaker 1: passionate about it, and you seem like this is something
Speaker 1: that has not gotten a lot of coverage.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm a little The way you explained it
Speaker 1: made me nervous, So I want to hear more.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll just say and and and I don't want
Speaker 4: to take up too much of our time. But I
Speaker 4: just want our audience to really be aware that with
Speaker 4: all the stuff going on, and there's plenty of it
Speaker 4: for us to stop up, we don't need to miss
Speaker 4: the fact that Donald Trump just this past week UH
Speaker 4: issued a presidential memorandum. It's known as the National Security
Speaker 4: Presidential Memorandum, which shorthand is the n s p M seven,
Speaker 4: the National Security Presidential Memorandum seven that came from Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Now what that memorandum do, To put it in shorthand,
Speaker 4: it declares war on progressive or liberal infrastructure in this country.
Speaker 4: It's donors, it's organization and institutions. It's individuals and staff
Speaker 4: who lead these organizations, say, for instance, the NAACP, save
Speaker 4: for instance, Color of Change, save for instance, insert any
Speaker 4: nonprofit that you can name, either locally or nationally that
Speaker 4: is doing work in service consistent with our values as
Speaker 4: a democracy, but more importantly, our issues and our values
Speaker 4: as people think. Dream defenders think, I don't know the
Speaker 4: tax status of Angela of the State of the people,
Speaker 4: but if it were its own entity, Okay, so if
Speaker 4: there were a secretly and it was its own entity,
Speaker 4: it also is something that you can bring to mind.
Speaker 4: What the President is doing through this executive order is
Speaker 4: one declaring war by basically deciding that these liberal quote
Speaker 4: liberal organizations, extremist organizations as he would categorize them, exists
Speaker 4: to foe met violence against the right. That's simply their framing.
Speaker 4: They are targeting the left or liberal groups that they
Speaker 4: describe as liberal extremists and just determining these groups to
Speaker 4: be domestic terrorist organizations domestic terrorist organizations. What does it
Speaker 4: do to declare them domestic terrorist organizations? It opens up
Speaker 4: a panoply of resources at the federal level that can
Speaker 4: then be used to go after those groups. Who are
Speaker 4: those what are those entities that it opens up? So,
Speaker 4: first of all, let me just define the expanded definition
Speaker 4: that it's giving to extremism and domestic terrorism. It now
Speaker 4: includes anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti Christian support, yes, support
Speaker 4: for the overthrow of the United States government, extremism on migration,
Speaker 4: ray engender, and hostility towards those who hold traditional American
Speaker 4: views on family, religion.
Speaker 3: And morality. Oh my god, Now, how much of that
Speaker 3: is subjective? First of all?
Speaker 10: And every bit of every bit of it protected speech,
Speaker 10: every bit of it, part of protected speech of which
Speaker 10: any of us can have an opinion on creating an
Speaker 10: organization and advocacy agenda around all of that.
Speaker 4: So this is the new definition that they are now
Speaker 4: including when they are defining these extremist radical left groups
Speaker 4: who are now being targeted by the federal government. Stephen
Speaker 4: Miller at the White House, we all know him as
Speaker 4: a Deputy chief as Dad, but he's kind of the
Speaker 4: man over everything is going to play point on introducing
Speaker 4: this new domestic era campaign that the administration is undertaking.
Speaker 4: But Stephen Miller is also the same person who is
Speaker 4: quoted as saying that it is a violent political speech
Speaker 4: to call Donald Trump wait for it, an authoritarian. So
Speaker 4: by virtue of calling him an authoritarian now qualifies as
Speaker 4: again this is why we said this is all subjective,
Speaker 4: qualifies as violent rhetoric. But I have another suggestion. This
Speaker 4: is Stephen Miller giving his eulogy or comments at Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk's large memorial service, and I actually would submit that
Speaker 4: this is violent political rhetoric. Take a listen and let
Speaker 4: me know what you think.
Speaker 12: We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil.
Speaker 12: They cannot imagine what they have awakened. They cannot conceive
Speaker 12: of the army that they have arisen in all of us,
Speaker 12: because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous,
Speaker 12: what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence
Speaker 12: against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what
Speaker 12: do you have?
Speaker 3: You have nothing? You are nothing.
Speaker 12: You are wickedness, you are jealousy, you are envy, you
Speaker 12: are hatred.
Speaker 3: You are nothing.
Speaker 12: You can build nothing, you can produce nothing, you can
Speaker 12: create nothing. We are the ones who build. We are
Speaker 12: the ones who create. We are the ones who lift
Speaker 12: up humanity. You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk, You
Speaker 12: have made him am mortal. You have immortalized Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 12: and now millions will carry on his legacy, and we
Speaker 12: will devote the rest of our lives to finishing the cause,
Speaker 12: this for which Charlie gave his last measure of devotion.
Speaker 12: You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us, you cannot
Speaker 12: stop us, you cannot deter us. We will carry Charlie
Speaker 12: and Erica in our heart every single day and fight
Speaker 12: that much harder because of what you did to us.
Speaker 12: You have no idea the dragon you have awakened. You
Speaker 12: have no idea how determined we will be to save
Speaker 12: this civilization, to save the West, to save this republic.
Speaker 12: Because our children are strong, and our grandchildren will be strong,
Speaker 12: and our children's children's children will be strong. And what
Speaker 12: will you leave behind?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 12: Nothing to our enemies. You have nothing to give, you
Speaker 12: have nothing to offer, You have nothing.
Speaker 3: To share but bitterness.
Speaker 12: We have beauty, we have light, we have goodness, we
Speaker 12: have determination, we have vision, we have strength. We built
Speaker 12: the world that we inhabit now, generation by generation, and
Speaker 12: we will defend this world. We will defend goodness, we
Speaker 12: will defend light, we will defend virtue. You cannot terrify us,
Speaker 12: you cannot frighten us, you cannot threaten us because we
Speaker 12: are on the side of goodness.
Speaker 3: We are on the side of God.
Speaker 4: So they are enlisting to as part of their assemblage
Speaker 4: of resources to go after these folks. They are assembling
Speaker 4: the United States Attorney Attorney General who will play point
Speaker 4: on this, Homeland Security, the Internal Revenue Service, the IRS
Speaker 4: here of the government, and they are operationalizing what is
Speaker 4: known as the locally well actually across the country, is
Speaker 4: known as basically the terrorism Coordinating Body that can include
Speaker 4: certain state officials and state offices. That includes over twenty
Speaker 4: two hundred employees of the Department of Justice anti terrorism units.
Speaker 4: It evokes at the state and the national level, all
Speaker 4: of the coordinating groups on anti terrorism, and they are
Speaker 4: now all being charged to turn their energy not to
Speaker 4: real threats of terrorism in the United States. They are
Speaker 4: all now being directed to turn their attention to these
Speaker 4: leftist groups, extremist groups who foment violence against the rights.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they can start so unclear you're saying,
Speaker 1: they can start arresting people, they can start apps. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm when you were talking about this in the car earlier,
Speaker 1: I don't think I fully understood the scope of what
Speaker 1: you were saying. This is actually don't why this is
Speaker 1: not a breaking news banner across every news station and
Speaker 1: why this is not a one above the fold in
Speaker 1: every news paper right now. I'm embarrassed and ashamed I
Speaker 1: did not know about n SPS seven. This is a
Speaker 1: declaration of war on all bakun SA NLP is you
Speaker 1: know marketing. I mean, this is this goal lead to
Speaker 1: mass This is cointel pro this is McCarthyism.
Speaker 4: Mcarthy absolutely, And for those of us who don't believe
Speaker 4: that it can happen. It has already happened in this
Speaker 4: country before we didn't they didn't have the moniker. The
Speaker 4: difference is is that the power of being able to
Speaker 4: declare these groups domestic terrorists unleashes a set of policies
Speaker 4: that were approved Posts nine to eleven that were used
Speaker 4: by the Bush administration, the warrantless wire tapping, some of
Speaker 4: the other subterranean investigative tools that the government can use.
Speaker 4: It turns all of that operation on and now directs
Speaker 4: it to these quote, enemies of the state that the
Speaker 4: Trump administration identifies. And I'll say one other thing, and
Speaker 4: I'll bring it to clothes, which is this entrust and
Speaker 4: basically now obligate. The fbis over forty thousand Joint Terrorism
Speaker 4: Task Force units to now become operational in the United States.
Speaker 4: It admonishes the Department of Justice to begin conducting interviews, investigations,
Speaker 4: and interrogations against employees, leaders, executive directors, presidents of these organizations,
Speaker 4: funders of these organizations.
Speaker 3: And by the way, some of.
Speaker 4: These funders are big money donors, but some of these
Speaker 4: funders are regular people like you and me who are
Speaker 4: giving twenty dollars and twenty cents every month. They now
Speaker 4: get to interrogate these individuals under this auspice to root
Speaker 4: out whether or not there is propaganda or speech within
Speaker 4: these organizations that has the ability to foment violence. The
Speaker 4: other thing that this thing is doing is it is
Speaker 4: not just solving a crime after a crime has happened.
Speaker 4: It is saying that their major goal to prevent prevent
Speaker 4: these violent actions from ever taking place.
Speaker 3: Now what does that do?
Speaker 4: That means it becomes highly subjective, highly theorized by the
Speaker 4: government what they think your intention is, and then they
Speaker 4: get to them basically do the work to drive you
Speaker 4: toward that conclusion. Oh well, we just averted a potential
Speaker 4: terrorist event domester terroists event by keeping the state of
Speaker 4: the people from protesting against the death of citizen X
Speaker 4: Y and Z.
Speaker 3: So y'all, I don't want you to think.
Speaker 4: That this is just going to impact people who are
Speaker 4: the big known names, who are the faces in which
Speaker 4: we recognize every day and are out. The truth is
Speaker 4: is that Ahmad Aubrey or Breonna Taylor, they were just
Speaker 4: regular people before they weren't. These are folks who are
Speaker 4: just living until they get on the wrong side of
Speaker 4: the opinion of the leader. So if you don't think
Speaker 4: autocracy has already taken hold in this country, if you
Speaker 4: don't think that the instruments of government are already being
Speaker 4: organized and leveraged against us, and through this memorandum with
Speaker 4: nobody to stop him or to hold him to account,
Speaker 4: and a Supreme Court who is complicit this expedient move
Speaker 4: toward authority terianism, we are about to be at this
Speaker 4: game by ourselves, y'all. So I want you all to
Speaker 4: look it up, research it, learn more. I don't have
Speaker 4: the whole show to go through all of it, but
Speaker 4: just know that this thing is real, and it is
Speaker 4: believed by the reporting entities that work has already begun,
Speaker 4: that they have already begun on their targets to drive them.
Speaker 5: They have, they have, And I just I wanted to
Speaker 5: just flag one other thing.
Speaker 7: There was a an executive memo with an accompanying executive order,
Speaker 7: and I want to be clear that the accompany executive
Speaker 7: order is designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. And
Speaker 7: Antifa has always been an umbrella for anything. They don't
Speaker 7: like anything other, so absolutely, I just I just wanted
Speaker 7: to flag that that this was on the other side
Speaker 7: of Charlie Kirk's murder. They now are trying to pin
Speaker 7: this on all things left, and we know left is
Speaker 7: a spectrum and all of that now is being deemed
Speaker 7: violent to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Angela, you're one thousand percent right. I mentioned I
Speaker 4: failed to mentioned the Antifa piece of this. They declare
Speaker 4: Antifa terrorist organization, y'all, you can google it right now.
Speaker 4: There is no Antifa board, the Antifa president. It's is
Speaker 4: a theory, it is a it's a theorem, it is
Speaker 4: a belief system. It is ideological. And that's the beauty
Speaker 4: of them identifying Antifa as the instrument because.
Speaker 3: They can go, just like they did during the Red Scare.
Speaker 3: They can go and determine any one of us is Antifa,
Speaker 3: any one of us even though there doesn't even exist
Speaker 3: an organizations such that.
Speaker 7: Is so nice the thing that is the thing. So
Speaker 7: I wanted to make sure that we just are very
Speaker 7: clear about this, and please know, for those at home
Speaker 7: who are concerned about this memo guiding them through this
Speaker 7: type of policy, all of this is to keep us
Speaker 7: from focusing on the Ebstein files. I just want to
Speaker 7: be very clear. He is doing everything he is throwing
Speaker 7: the sink, the cold kitchen sink at everybody and anything
Speaker 7: to keep us focused on not focused on the Ebstein files.
Speaker 7: He's willing to defund the government, keep people out of work,
Speaker 7: prevent contractors from being paid, provincial health care, make his
Speaker 7: friends richer, all if it keeps us away from what
Speaker 7: we know is that the heartbeat of this administration. And
Speaker 7: I'm sure there are, of course, there are other pieces,
Speaker 7: you know that he's a puppeteer for, you know, Project
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five and all of that, But some of
Speaker 7: these pieces even go beyond what is in Project twenty
Speaker 7: twenty five. They do, and it's a blueprint, but it's
Speaker 7: not the whole print. And I think we got to
Speaker 7: be clear about what it is, the reason, the pace
Speaker 7: and what and how inflammatory they're being right now.
Speaker 5: Even the piece around the military the other day, you know,
Speaker 5: like all.
Speaker 1: Of that, I think what you're referencing, Angela, is this
Speaker 1: quote unquote pep rally, this g I Joe nonsense that
Speaker 1: the Secretary of War formerly Secretary of Defense Pete Hexseth
Speaker 1: hosted this week, Always a bad idea to gather our
Speaker 1: generals from all across the country and put them in
Speaker 1: one place. But that happened this week so much ridiculousness.
Speaker 1: We didn't have time to get to it. But I
Speaker 1: have to say I think Epstein files are not all
Speaker 1: these things would have still been happening. I think it
Speaker 1: was always a play just love the zone with chaos
Speaker 1: and institute this authoritarian regime. And how frightening. I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you Andrew for raising this. I
Speaker 1: would like to revisit this discussion if we can in
Speaker 1: the coming months, because I'm sure we'll start to see
Speaker 1: the victims of this incredibly draconian policy. And if this
Speaker 1: were happening in any other country, the way we will
Speaker 1: be covering it would be very different. So the fact
Speaker 1: that this is happening in America, I can't stress enough.
Speaker 5: Please get the f.
Speaker 1: Off your phones, stop scrolling, stop doing nothing like the
Speaker 1: red line has been crossed. It is a fire right now.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you all what to do, but I
Speaker 1: at least want you to be aware. Closing your eyes
Speaker 1: and checking out doesn't mean that these things aren't happening.
Speaker 1: So this is frightening.
Speaker 4: Tiff to your point, your last point there, and I
Speaker 4: know we're moving on. It is that we all think
Speaker 4: that there's one day, like you turn on a light switch,
Speaker 4: it's dark, and then it's light. That's how it's supposed
Speaker 4: to feel when we become what Trump is making us
Speaker 4: to be. The truth is is that it's already here.
Speaker 3: The people in.
Speaker 4: China, they go to restaurants, they go to movies, they
Speaker 4: get on their phones, and they get to commune with
Speaker 4: each other. But the truth is is that that we
Speaker 4: can still do all those things, except what about when
Speaker 4: you decide that you disagree with the with the government.
Speaker 4: What happens when you decide that you want to know
Speaker 4: why you're being arrested. What happens when you decide to
Speaker 4: speak up against them coming for you and your country?
Speaker 4: Then you start to see the consequences of living in
Speaker 4: an authoritarian regime. I know the topics were heavy and
Speaker 4: somewhat light at different points in the show. But on
Speaker 4: the other side of this break, you stay tuned, you
Speaker 4: hear our CTA's.
Speaker 1: All right, we are way over time, so let's quickly
Speaker 1: get to our CTAs.
Speaker 5: Angela.
Speaker 7: You want to go first, okay? So for CTAs TIF,
Speaker 7: I need a second. I don't know, I'll think it's
Speaker 7: something quick.
Speaker 1: Over time we way over times. I'm gonna be really quick,
Speaker 1: I'll go. My CTA is there's an incredible organization called
Speaker 1: Prison Journalism, and it is a program that teaches the
Speaker 1: incarcerated how to be journalists, and so they write really
Speaker 1: amazing stories about their experience being imprisoned. Some of the
Speaker 1: stories are things like to avoid deportation, people want to
Speaker 1: stay longer at my prison. Another one is air conditioning
Speaker 1: is coming to Texas prisons, but not fast enough. Another
Speaker 1: is what my mornings are like in prison. I read
Speaker 1: this content because I can't take the influx of atrocities happening,
Speaker 1: and so I just want the men and women who
Speaker 1: are incarcerated to know you are not forgotten about. I
Speaker 1: read your stories. I encourage other people. You can go
Speaker 1: to prison Journalism dot com, I think is the website.
Speaker 1: They also have an Instagram handle. I have some friends
Speaker 1: who are on the board and I was reading stories
Speaker 1: this week and thought, oh, I should talk about this
Speaker 1: on Native Land. So that's my CTA. If you have
Speaker 1: family in prison, if you know anybody, please let them
Speaker 1: know that I said it. And if you happen to
Speaker 1: have access to our YouTube and watch NLP, just know
Speaker 1: that you are not forgotten about. I think about our
Speaker 1: brethren and sisters behind bars every day, especially since Angela
Speaker 1: recommended that I read Asada, which I'm still obsessed with.
Speaker 1: So think about that for you.
Speaker 5: Andrew, absolutely, rest in peace is a good one.
Speaker 4: And power I will I will simply ask and admonish you.
Speaker 4: Please please please go and read or google just in
Speaker 4: as a Nathan s p M seven n sp M seven,
Speaker 4: look it up. We cannot be caught unawares. We need
Speaker 4: to know what's coming down, and especially because we are
Speaker 4: at the center of its its target, and its impact,
Speaker 4: we gotta know Google it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I guess it's my turn.
Speaker 7: I think the only thing that I would challenge our
Speaker 7: audience within this moment is during our live show, I
Speaker 7: ask folks to really contemplate why they are made for
Speaker 7: this moment. And I think it's something that we need
Speaker 7: to be asking ourselves every day. To Andrew's point, being
Speaker 7: caught unaware, to tips point feeling like you're trying to
Speaker 7: catch confetti, you have to constantly ask yourself what gifts,
Speaker 7: what talents, what tools do you have? What time do
Speaker 7: you have to really try to meet this moment that
Speaker 7: we're in it's just not one for us to rest
Speaker 7: on our laurels, and it doesn't mean that folks can't
Speaker 7: take a break. But I do think that this is
Speaker 7: a moment for mass action and I'm hoping that everybody
Speaker 7: will join us in that, And you can start by
Speaker 7: joining us this upcoming weekend at Culture Con where we
Speaker 7: will be live, and also, as Tip said earlier in
Speaker 7: the show, you will also.
Speaker 5: Be able to catch it Monday if you can't get
Speaker 5: to New York on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing y'all the most in New York,
Speaker 1: but hopefully looking forward to seeing our audience as well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, there are three hundred and ninety seven days until
Speaker 1: midterm elections. After everything we heard about NSPSM seven, I
Speaker 1: hope I got that right. I'm extra concerned about midterms.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that we're laying down. We're going to
Speaker 1: fight everywhere we can anytime we can. But reminding you,
Speaker 1: guys how many days there are until midterm elections also
Speaker 1: warrants a reminder that our very democracy is under attack.
Speaker 1: As much of democracy as we've had the limited experience
Speaker 1: to endure here in America. All right, Welcome home y'all,
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Speaker 1: out this week's mini pod. We have doctor Joy, you
Speaker 1: know her from hosting Therapy for Black Girls. She's going
Speaker 1: to be the guest on our mini pod. We're gonna
Speaker 1: also on our minipod get some more of your viewer questions.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna talk a little bit about Serena Williams
Speaker 1: and Megan Kelly. We didn't get to it this show,
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