WEBVTT - Bolivia For Dummies

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<v Speaker 1>To get to Vulcan Lehman's compound in the Amazon kept

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<v Speaker 1>really want together there. For me, that involved a red

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<v Speaker 1>eye from Miami to Santa Cruz, Olivia's biggest city, then

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<v Speaker 1>a puddle jumper to a town called Trinidad, a sweaty

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<v Speaker 1>night there, and then nine grueling hours in a collectivo

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<v Speaker 1>taxi squeeze between farm hands and crying babies, hammering over

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<v Speaker 1>washboard rows at thirty miles per hour, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty miles per hour too fast. At last, I got

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<v Speaker 1>dropped off at Vulkar's place. Hello. Hello, it's changed since

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<v Speaker 1>my visit twelve years ago. For our river trip. Folcus

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<v Speaker 1>built himself a crazy new house, all screen, no walls.

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<v Speaker 1>A few feet away, there's an out house with tree

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<v Speaker 1>frogs in the toilet, a workshop with a generator, and

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<v Speaker 1>a big greenhouse for fermenting cacao. There's papayetrees and bananas,

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<v Speaker 1>and a tiny white local chili called goose anita. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks like little worms. They're brutally hot. The vulgar munches

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<v Speaker 1>them like popcorn. Surrounding it all, of course, are the cocaudries,

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<v Speaker 1>acres of them. Poker calls the place tranquila DoD. It

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<v Speaker 1>means tranquility in Spanish, and most of the time the

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<v Speaker 1>name fits most of the time. So um, if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you runt down all the things to watch out for.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wandering around. I always tell the people when they come,

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<v Speaker 1>please don't touch anything. I think National Geographic and all

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<v Speaker 1>Animal planet they give a false perspective. There are people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, gripping crocodiles and snakes and whatnot, and so

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<v Speaker 1>don't touch the crocodiles or the snakes. Is in general,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually a lot of crocodiles, not a touch. The

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<v Speaker 1>place is filled with them. Technically, the ones in the

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon are called caymans, not crocodiles, but I know a

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<v Speaker 1>crocodile smile when I see one. The big ones in

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<v Speaker 1>Bolivia can be more than twelve ft long, and Folkers

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<v Speaker 1>says to stay away from them because they like to

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<v Speaker 1>charge people. But the smaller ones, well, he's caught a

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<v Speaker 1>five footer in honor of our reunion, and now he's

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<v Speaker 1>prepping it for dinner. We have like rips and tail.

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<v Speaker 1>The tail will eat raw with lime juice like svich.

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<v Speaker 1>The ribs get fried not too long, so it stays

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<v Speaker 1>juicy inside, its wanderful. When you're talking about wild chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>This is ground zero. Tranquilidad is where the movement was born.

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<v Speaker 1>The beans from these trees produced the first run of

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<v Speaker 1>Cruise Savage and set off the gold rush to find

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<v Speaker 1>more last ca cow with wicked new flavors. I've come

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<v Speaker 1>to work the harvest, to learn the arts of picking

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<v Speaker 1>and fermenting, to understand on a deeper level, where great

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate comes from. The Last time I was here a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen years ago, the trip had gone from bad to absurd,

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<v Speaker 1>but it ended well. Volker lined up lots of new

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<v Speaker 1>sources of cacao. Cruise Evage was a hit, and Volker

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<v Speaker 1>became a legend in the fine chocolate community. And then

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<v Speaker 1>something went terribly wrong. I've only heard the details from

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<v Speaker 1>a distance, but just like those golden pods, were cursed. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no intention to dig into this jungle. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I I fell into the trap. It was just looking

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<v Speaker 1>for some stupid kaka in the forest. I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>planning on this. Yeah, well you'll see what happened. For

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, has been chasing that grail, always believing it

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<v Speaker 1>was one step away, always believing that with just a

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<v Speaker 1>little more organization, the Amazon would fall into place. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course he was just the latest in a long

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<v Speaker 1>line of outsiders to believe that he could make sense

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<v Speaker 1>of the chaos, from the Spanish gold hunters and the Jesuits,

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<v Speaker 1>to the rubber barons of the eight hundreds and they

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<v Speaker 1>explorer Percy Fawcett, who disappeared in Still Seeking the Lost

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<v Speaker 1>City of z And to the characters in Werner Herzog's

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon films, and even Herzog himself, who seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>gone at least partially insane trying to make those movies.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your plans when this movie is all over?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna be doing? I shouldn't make movies anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Should go to a lunatic asylum right away. These dreamers

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<v Speaker 1>always think they're close, and every time the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>happens there, attempts to make it work on their terms fail.

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<v Speaker 1>From Kaleidoscope and I Heeart podcasts. This is Obsessions, Wild Chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Roman Jacobson, Chapter two, Olivia for Dummies. Long before

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<v Speaker 1>he ever saw a cowpot, Volker Lehman was a little

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<v Speaker 1>boy in Berlin with a green thumb. His father was

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<v Speaker 1>an army veteran and a coal miner battling exhaustion and PTSD.

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<v Speaker 1>So he came from work and then he went for

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<v Speaker 1>one or two hours into the garden. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 1>helped him also to maybe forget a little about about

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<v Speaker 1>the harsh conditions in the coal mine. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>he was five, Folker was gardening right alongside him. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to pull out the weeds and well, sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>missed and put on the carrots. Education, but he never

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<v Speaker 1>much liked the German climate. After high school, he took

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<v Speaker 1>a trip to Latin America and compared to the gray

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<v Speaker 1>horizons of post war Germany, it was like stepping into

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<v Speaker 1>a technicolor wonderland. I was intrigued by the climb, at

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<v Speaker 1>the music, the food. It's like you feel friendly. But

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just the culture around farming. Volka was amazed

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<v Speaker 1>by the power of tropical plants, the way they grew

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<v Speaker 1>so ferociously, and the incredible amount of food and medicine

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<v Speaker 1>they could produce. One he decided to devote his life

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<v Speaker 1>to them. He knocked around the tropics for a few

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<v Speaker 1>years doing development work, and by the nineties he'd found

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<v Speaker 1>his way to Bolivia. The German government had a program

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get Bolivia's farmers to switch from coca

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<v Speaker 1>to less controversial crops, and Vulgar's job was to teach

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<v Speaker 1>the farmers how to work with the new ones. Bolivians

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<v Speaker 1>consider coca their most sacred plant. The leaves are chewed

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<v Speaker 1>daily for stamina and stimulation, but they're also the source

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<v Speaker 1>of cocaine. And the ninety nineties Olivia was awash and

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff. Folker told me about those strange days as

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<v Speaker 1>we sat in his jungle home. No, but Santa Cruz

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<v Speaker 1>was like Carnival in real seven actually on Bolivia, and

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Cruz was the expansion project from the Colombians because

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<v Speaker 1>they needed more for you, you know that is you

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<v Speaker 1>being meat being America. They needed more cocaine to feed

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<v Speaker 1>our insatiable appetite, more than they could produce in Columbia, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So first they moved into Peru, and then that wasn't enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they moved over and to to Bolivia. People are

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<v Speaker 1>coming from Columbia by plane, small planes, bringing even their

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<v Speaker 1>bands with bringing the band. Yeah, yes, you heard that right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a Colombian drug hiller on the Bolivian range,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you party without your local tunes. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a small town, Santa Ananda, Yukuma, which was then the

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<v Speaker 1>hot spot. And did you ever have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>crossing those guys? So sometimes you sit next to one

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<v Speaker 1>and he would not he would invite you. Oh you're American,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where you come from. He wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>where we are if you're not from d A right right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then he he puts a bottle of whiskey into you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you start singing, you know, and and then

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<v Speaker 1>he he says, oh, this this guy is harmless. So

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<v Speaker 1>as Volker continued his work, he found himself caught between

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<v Speaker 1>his new friends, the farmers and the d e a.

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<v Speaker 1>Santa ana was known as a ranching town, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was also the heart of Olivia's cocaine network, because, as

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out, the ranchers and the traffickers could be

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<v Speaker 1>one and the same. Because when you have a farm,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a farm here, you don't have a plane,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah normally and now to over watch anty hectares and

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to travel no roads. The natural thing

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<v Speaker 1>is to buy yourself as cessna. Then the pilot can

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<v Speaker 1>transport some some packages. You know what means, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>makes some side business, and of course that side business

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be a lot more lucrative than cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon Bolivia's ranchers were saddle deep in the drug business,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone knew it. On the night of June, the

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<v Speaker 1>d e A took action. Dozens of helicopters carrying hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of anti drug agents from Bolivia and the United States

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<v Speaker 1>swooped down on Santana. According to the d e A,

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<v Speaker 1>agents destroyed fifteen cocaine labs hidden in the little town

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<v Speaker 1>and confiscated dozens of planes along with hundreds of kilos

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<v Speaker 1>of coke. But they met stiff resistance from the townspeople,

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<v Speaker 1>who stormed the airport and surrounded the helicopters, chanting kill

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees, leaving no uncertainty as to where their loyalties lay.

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<v Speaker 1>Vulgar tried hard to persuade farmers to switch crops, but

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<v Speaker 1>eventually he burned out bananas, pineapple, hearts of palm. None

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<v Speaker 1>of the alternative crops could ever compete with cocamine. He

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<v Speaker 1>felt useless, so he went back to his original obsession,

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<v Speaker 1>studying the local plants, and before long he was searching

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<v Speaker 1>the rainforest for the next big thing, a plant with

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<v Speaker 1>global appeal, Like a vegetal talent scout. He needed a

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<v Speaker 1>buzzy new client, and he found one. But it wasn't cocao,

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<v Speaker 1>not yet. It was brazil nuts, one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>treats of the Amazon. The territory of Bolivia was always

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<v Speaker 1>the main source of the main spot of the brazil nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Always because Brazil chopped theres down or even before no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah and um. The nuts were always sold through

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<v Speaker 1>Brazil and this is why they called brazil nuts. But

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<v Speaker 1>they always came from Bolivia. Bolivia nuts really yeah. Brazil

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<v Speaker 1>Nut trees are these giants of the rainforest, towering over

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the canopy. They have these little coconuts

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<v Speaker 1>the size of bocci balls clinging to their trunks, and

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<v Speaker 1>each one is filled with delicious nuts. The trees are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of perfect for developing a rainforest economy, wild, sustainable, delicious,

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<v Speaker 1>but on their own they aren't exactly a big ticket item.

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<v Speaker 1>Bulker needed a sex air product, and he thought he

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<v Speaker 1>might have the perfect candidate, a lady from the Chimana tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>She showed me in the wild cacao. A few years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Bulker had been exploring the jungle for valuable new plants.

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<v Speaker 1>The natural people to ask where the Shimani, a group

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<v Speaker 1>of hunter gatherers who still lived off the wild, and

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<v Speaker 1>one old Shimani woman in particular, was known for her expertise.

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<v Speaker 1>That friend introduced me. Ah, he said, I I know

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<v Speaker 1>Chimana and they have some cacaw that might be of

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<v Speaker 1>your interest. Let's go, and not just any cacao, wild cacao,

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<v Speaker 1>something Vulka had never come across in his development work.

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<v Speaker 1>So they went to the forest and found the old woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She lived in intent made from sticks and palm thatch,

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<v Speaker 1>and she knew all the useful plants in the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>They still can see her, you know, she was really tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked if she could show them the wild cocow

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<v Speaker 1>and she said sure, and she led them down a

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<v Speaker 1>footpath into the forest. So we were walking and I

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<v Speaker 1>was behind her sawing. I saw her hair like a nest,

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<v Speaker 1>and her hair was a little monkey. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>little pet monkey. And Falker could not stop looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are tiny monkeys her right, and she got one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was following her and looking at the monkey

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, and all of a sudden, she she

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<v Speaker 1>stopped and showed me a cow tree. And here it

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<v Speaker 1>is the argent moment of the man who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>make wild chocolate famous. In the Hollywood version of this tale,

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<v Speaker 1>the wise woman hands him the yellow pod and he

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<v Speaker 1>stares transfixed, like Indiana Jones gazing at the golden idol.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the answer. He seeks, the thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring sustainable agriculture to the Amazon and transform

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<v Speaker 1>the world of chocolate. Does he break open the pod,

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<v Speaker 1>sniff the fragrant seeds, and hold it up like the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Grail. I wasn't really interested in the tree much, really,

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<v Speaker 1>so oh, yeah, I see colcohol. Okay, Nope. All he

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<v Speaker 1>could think about was the monkey. And then my friend said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this is something? I said, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea, But he tucked the experience away in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of his mind, and when he was searching for

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<v Speaker 1>a sexy partner to inrobe his Brazilian nuts, he unpacked it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will too after the break, Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>wild Chocolate. So we we put this Oh what oh

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<v Speaker 1>you call this? What's what's greater? Greater? Yeah? In La

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<v Speaker 1>Paz and Santa Cruz and the other cities of Bolivia.

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<v Speaker 1>You see rustic chocolate for sale in the markets, grainy

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<v Speaker 1>brown patties shaped my hand, just like he'saly in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an old tradition in Bolivia, and they used stone

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<v Speaker 1>on stone blinders. Yeah, so that's how it's still done here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same, maybe fifty years ago. Amazing. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you bite into one of these patties by itself,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in for a bad time. Some of it tastes burnt,

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<v Speaker 1>some tastes like blue cheese, and it all crumbles like dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>For the locals, that doesn't really matter because it all

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<v Speaker 1>gets drunk. Is hot chocolate with enough sugar to cover

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<v Speaker 1>up any off flavors. For Vulcan, though, this chocolate wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>cut it. There was no way he could cut his

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<v Speaker 1>precious brazil nuts and this stuff and pass it off

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<v Speaker 1>as a gourmet item. He needed better chocolate, but he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find any. He considered giving up on the whole idea,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he found a tiny, run down chocolate shop

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<v Speaker 1>in a back alley of Lapase. The proprietor was an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five year old Jewish man who could escape the

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<v Speaker 1>Warsaw Ghetto during World War two. And he he was

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<v Speaker 1>like a very traditional chocolate lover and had a small

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<v Speaker 1>um choco factory. Jewish artisans have been at the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of Europ's chocolate making tradition since the days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish court, and this old guy knew the traditional well.

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<v Speaker 1>When Vulgar tasted his chocolate, he could not believe his

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<v Speaker 1>daste buds. It was not terrible, but why Vulker put

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<v Speaker 1>the questions to him, and it turned out the guy

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<v Speaker 1>was doing what European chocolate makers have always done when

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with funky beans. They beat the warm coco mass

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<v Speaker 1>for hour after hour in a machine to blow off

0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.720
<v Speaker 1>as much of the off flavors as possible. It wasn't perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was enough for Vulca to get his first

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<v Speaker 1>real sense of the beans behind the funk, and he

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<v Speaker 1>liked what he sensed. Behind the char and the cheese,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something beautiful at heart. Vulcan is an engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>When he sees a system, he thinks he's running poorly,

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<v Speaker 1>that could be so much better with just a few tweaks.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't resist. So now he couldn't help wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>the funk was built into the beans, or if there

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<v Speaker 1>was a way to get the beauty without the beast,

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<v Speaker 1>And there was only one way to answer that. He

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to the source, and that meant a

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<v Speaker 1>scruffy town called Trinidad, where everything the jungle produced, from

0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.240
<v Speaker 1>cocaw to cocaine could be found for sale. Tread is

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<v Speaker 1>Uh is the center of trade, and then people running

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the river with and and doing batta

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<v Speaker 1>batta business. Traders would spend weeks in the jungle and

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<v Speaker 1>then paddle into Trinidad to so other goods like the

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<v Speaker 1>rice and and everything you need because there's no there's

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<v Speaker 1>no money system. No, it was easier. It was easier

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<v Speaker 1>than you know. Give me, would give me bananas, give

0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 1>me cocoa and and or whatever you have, and what

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the market accepts then turn into money. Cacao is money basically.

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<v Speaker 1>So Volka flew to Trinidad. He started hanging out, getting

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<v Speaker 1>another locals asking questions, but how do you how do

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<v Speaker 1>you even do that? No, you just ask around. I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to more elderly people because they were telling

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<v Speaker 1>me better the story. So I was sitting with them

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<v Speaker 1>having tea and chats. Yeah, and then a little by

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<v Speaker 1>little I got the picture. Most of the cacao was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from a town called Ballets. Barrets was truly at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the earth, days from Trinidad by river,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course, like every other town in the Cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>So lowlands, it had an airstrip. So Volka hired a

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<v Speaker 1>plane and headed for it, never guessing how much his

0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 1>life was about to change. There was no route, no electricity, nothing, no, no,

0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.520
<v Speaker 1>not even for nothing. We were talking on on on

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<v Speaker 1>shortwave radio. As he got to do the people in Bowrets,

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<v Speaker 1>the picture got even clearer. And that picture, well, he

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<v Speaker 1>almost had to pinch himself. The cocat was coming from

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<v Speaker 1>islands of high grounds scattered across the wetlands, natural terraces

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't get drowned during the four months rainy seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>The locals called these forest islands Chocolatales. It was always

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<v Speaker 1>harvested and used for local chocolate in Yeah, but on

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<v Speaker 1>a very very low price, and during the wet season

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.159
<v Speaker 1>when the cacao was ripe, families would travel to the

0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.960
<v Speaker 1>chocolate tales by canoe. The journey alone could take days.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they camp in the forest for months, picking the pods,

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<v Speaker 1>opening them and drawing the beans on mats in the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they'd sell the beans back in town, But the

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<v Speaker 1>tradition was dying in Bolivious cities. People were switching over

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<v Speaker 1>to powdered cocoa mix, which was easier to use. Prices

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<v Speaker 1>for the wild cacao were too low to justify the work.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids were less interested, so the people were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to give up on the yearly trips. Many of the

0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 1>chocolate tallies had been abandoned, a few had been cut

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<v Speaker 1>down for cattle grazing. It didn't take long for Volker

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<v Speaker 1>to understand why the quality was bad. Two essential steps

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.239
<v Speaker 1>to making great beans are pretty darn hard to do

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<v Speaker 1>in the Amazon. Drawing beans in the rainforest without a

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<v Speaker 1>shelter of any kind is impossible. Many of the beans

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<v Speaker 1>were moldy, and even the ones that weren't moldy had

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 1>very little chocolate flavor. Fresh cacao beans are naturally bitter

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and a stringer. They have to be heaped together with

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.640
<v Speaker 1>their sugary pulp for days and fermented to transform those

0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:13.960
<v Speaker 1>nasty flavors into chocolate ones. Unfortunately, most of the people

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<v Speaker 1>in the world harvest in cacao don't have the time, expertise,

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<v Speaker 1>or facilities to do it. Properly, and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>case in Bolivia, and that spoke to Vulcar's engineer Soul.

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<v Speaker 1>A little training and infrastructure, a micro dose of good

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 1>old German organization could make all the difference. All he

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<v Speaker 1>needed was to see just how much cacao was out

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.639
<v Speaker 1>there and if it was at all feasible to improve

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.879
<v Speaker 1>the fermenting and drying. But getting around the roadless jungle

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>was brutal. There were certain islands I wanted to go to,

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.920
<v Speaker 1>so I had to find a horse and a guide.

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Set on the horse. After two hours, I couldn't I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't feel my legs anymore. And and after six hours

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't feel anything anymore. You know, I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I was in full pain. Days on the range in

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, battling heat and bugs the horses they attract

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:16.000
<v Speaker 1>also all kinds of flies that sting and suck your blood,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you're fighting with the horse together. You're no

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<v Speaker 1>not not to leave too much blood every day, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're there, I were seeing all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>on the horizon from from the heat. What kind of

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.920
<v Speaker 1>things do you say when you look at the horizon,

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Then you see water? And then I saw all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of animals, and there wasn't anything. But finally they made

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<v Speaker 1>it to the forest island and the shade of the

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>chocolate all we went forward with the machetta and in

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<v Speaker 1>the inner part it lifted up, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the trees were standing in a nice distance to each

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<v Speaker 1>other and in harmony somehow, at which point he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck the brazil nuts. I want to make this cacao famous.

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<v Speaker 1>He wondered if he was staring at the greatest development

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.479
<v Speaker 1>opportunity of his career. If the international market got excited

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 1>about wild cacao, the beans would command much more money,

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<v Speaker 1>the pickers could make a living, the tradition would survive,

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<v Speaker 1>and the chocolate tales could be preserved. He couldn't quite

0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>see how the numbers were going to work, but he

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was an hour never. As Volker continued to

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<v Speaker 1>explore the region by foot, boat and horseback, he fell

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>under its spell. Vast wetlands with hundred mile views, lush

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>rain for us, more wildlife than he'd ever seen, McCaw's cappa,

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<v Speaker 1>bara's weaver birds, jaguars, and tons of cacao just waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to be properly fermented. And then came the moment that

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 1>whipped the trajectory of his life in a new and

0:22:54.520 --> 0:23:00.120
<v Speaker 1>unexpected direction. Somebody said, hey, there's a place on say

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<v Speaker 1>are you interested? Actually, it hit a long term wish

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<v Speaker 1>you not to by by peaceful land. Yeah, to have

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<v Speaker 1>my own farm maybe and in and maybe have a

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<v Speaker 1>succure place when the world goes to hell. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>well it didn't go to hell, but eventually it will tranquility.

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. You're listening to Wild Chocolate. I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah. We stopped because we can get lost. Bulker

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and I are walking in tranquily Dot in the chocolate

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>hall he bought all those years ago. It's shady and

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 1>warm and still the ground is smooth with waxy leaves.

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>The trunks of the co cow trees are spaced evenly apart,

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<v Speaker 1>like the columns of some temple. There's one, two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 1>five or whatever. Yeah, amazing, Yeah, and spacing. It looks

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>like that somebody you know measured the spacing. You could

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>actually think about, Hey, somebody planted these trees. You know

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>they are in a room. No, it's just just a

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>natural pattern. So not planted, but maybe not entirely natural,

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 1>depending on how you define natural. Bulker has a theory.

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<v Speaker 1>I say there was a hunter and he had a

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>coco pot, and he was sucking on the beans, and

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<v Speaker 1>every ten steps he spit out the beans and sucks

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a dam. And ten steps later and he sucked and

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>he spit out the dam. This is what you always

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<v Speaker 1>do when you walk through a chocolate holl You absolut

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<v Speaker 1>mindedly grab a pod, split it open, and scoop a

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>goopy handful of white palpon's ease into your mouth. Yeah,

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>as you walk, you suck the juice off the sea eats.

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<v Speaker 1>The flavor is sweet and tart, deliciously refreshing in the

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>heat of the jungle. Then you spit out the seeds

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and grab another pod, and your walk gets a little

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>bit nicer. People have been making that beautiful sound for

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand years, and wherever you hear it, a baby

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>cocou try is born. No bulker paid a visit to

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<v Speaker 1>the chocolates hall that was for sale. It was huge, magical.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 1>He followed footpaths through the woods where generations of people

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>had picked cocao. He opened a pod and tasted the juice.

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Monkeys chattered at him from the trees. The ground was

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>nice and high, unlikely to flood. He knew if he

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't buy it, the next buyer would probably clear the forest.

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And something tugged at him. So he came up with

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars and bought it on the spot. And

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.239
<v Speaker 1>then it was time to test his theory of these

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>beans really make great chocolate. He picks some pods for

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>many of the beans as well as he knew how,

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and made them into chocolate. It has almost no bitterness.

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it has a sweetness um somehow between floral and

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>and dark dark of fruits and and it and it

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>goes back and forth. There's nothing really that compares the

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the overall flavors and the spectrum of different flavors during

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the time you have it in your mouth. There's nothing

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know that, there's nothing like this. The rest seemed simple.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd make the world's most beautiful beans and bring the

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate industry to Bolivia's doorstep. And you live right here.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's where things get a little bit cosmic. As

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<v Speaker 1>he cleared a patch of ground to build a house

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>out of the red earth, gave a clay pot, and

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<v Speaker 1>then another and another. They were beautiful, with fluted necks

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and intricate etched patterns, and they were a thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 1>As Bulker kept digging, the treasures kept coming. One day

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>at tranquiladd he showed them to me. They saw, volunteer,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an X, two different xes. That's a beauty. Yeah,

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they have strings attached, and then we're hanging. This is

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>actually a toy. It was a doll, probably for a

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>kid to play with. Amazing. The artifacts were the remnants

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of an ancient settlement. Soon archaeologists visited. Chocolatelles were part

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>of a massive network of earthen platforms, terraces, pyramids, causeways

0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and canals. This network stretched across thousands of square aisles.

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<v Speaker 1>So this part of the Amazon wasn't just primorial wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the overgrown orchards and plazas and streets of

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<v Speaker 1>a sophisticated culture known as the Casarabe, and a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago their civilization was hopping, probably a couple of

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>million people living here um pre Columbia. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>largest community of native people in the Amazon were in

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<v Speaker 1>this part of Olivia and Brazil. This may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the source of rumors about the lost city of z

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>The Casarabe civilization disappeared around the year four for unknown reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>but one thing we know about them is that they

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<v Speaker 1>loved cacao. The reason Tranquilidad and the other chocolate till

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>lives are filled with coco trees is because for hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of years the people who lived there were eating cacao

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<v Speaker 1>and spitting out the seats. Some of the trees today

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<v Speaker 1>are the same tree as the Casarabe used. Jean Kiladad was,

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense a ghost island of ancient beings for

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<v Speaker 1>the entire ecosystem. It's it's a very very valuable tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't die, it survives droughts, flooding, and on top

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<v Speaker 1>of it brings us the foot of the gods. H

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<v Speaker 1>He set up the artifacts on a little altar in

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<v Speaker 1>the corner of his house, and he began thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>himself as just a small part of a larger story.

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<v Speaker 1>The place was talent. He basically, I see it not

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<v Speaker 1>as an owner. I see it as a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>land that nature gives it to me for a certain

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of time. But I would leave it as

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as a cat. Vulker needed the partner with

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<v Speaker 1>a chocolate maker, so he began taking the beans to

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<v Speaker 1>trade shows. But every buyer he met looked at him

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<v Speaker 1>like he was crazy. I said, I have wild cocol

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, there's not such a thing. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>there is wild coco in the Amazon. No, no coco

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Micador. Okay. And they were not alone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I assume no that everybody. Everybody was ignorant. Everybody. He

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<v Speaker 1>finally got the attention of felsh Lean, a famous old

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss chocolate house. Felsh Len was competing with the top

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<v Speaker 1>French companies in the gourmet chocolate world, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>always on the hunt for something that would set it

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<v Speaker 1>apart from its rivals. The buyer asked for a sample

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<v Speaker 1>of the beans to test in their lab in Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 1>So Volcas sent off the beans right away, that thing

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been chasing for years. He could almost taste it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if he was wrong? What if the beans

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<v Speaker 1>weren't a special at He thought, No on that point,

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<v Speaker 1>he drushed it himself and he was right. Soon felsh

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<v Speaker 1>Lean asked for another four d key Lows so they

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<v Speaker 1>could run some test batches on the big equipment. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as he said, no problem, absolutely. Then he walked outside

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<v Speaker 1>and stared into his chocolates hall and wondered how the

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<v Speaker 1>hell he was going to do that. He spent two

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<v Speaker 1>sweaty months in the jungle, picking by hand. He worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the dusk until he personally harvested a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>fresh decao. Then he fermented it and dried it as

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<v Speaker 1>best he could and sent it to Switzerland. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>crossed his fingers and waited and waited, and finally the

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<v Speaker 1>call came, could he please come to Switzerland for a meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>So he cleaned himself up and crossed the Atlantic and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, yeah, we want this. It was smooth

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<v Speaker 1>and rich and it's very distinct. And this is also

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<v Speaker 1>something fresh Lean told told me. The chocolate is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>distinct and this is what we are interested, don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then came the big question, how many talks and

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, um, I don't know. He

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't know. He had no clue how much he

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<v Speaker 1>could get his hands on and ferment properly but fecially,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, get us as much as you can. We

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<v Speaker 1>want it all. They had big plans for this Cacao.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to make a whole new bar, unlike any

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<v Speaker 1>that had been made before the world's first wild bar.

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<v Speaker 1>They already had a name for it, Crew Savage. That

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<v Speaker 1>bar was going to blow the staid world of chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>wide open, and it would take Vulgar Layman on a

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<v Speaker 1>wild ride. It would make him famous, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>also nearly destroy him. That's still to come. I'll always

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<v Speaker 1>remember something Vulgar said to me when he was recounting

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<v Speaker 1>the parade of dreamers who had marched into the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>over the centuries seeking gold and glory. There's no Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>for dummies, he said, many people will have lost their

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<v Speaker 1>fortunes here. Well, he couldn't have known when he said

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<v Speaker 1>it was that he was going to be next. Look

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<v Speaker 1>on the phase of your wife saying there's no money.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by there's no money? There was

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<v Speaker 1>the oldest money, yeah, but now there's no more money. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>You must have been furious at a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah No with a gun in my hand that would

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<v Speaker 1>have killed some people. Maybe, yeah. Yeah. On the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Wild Chocolate, I could feel myself falling down

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<v Speaker 1>Mr rabbit Hole. Sometimes I talked about chocolate like music

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<v Speaker 1>and this was like you classic symphony orchestra, justst beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>the Vatican of Chocolate. I got five fifty bars on

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf modeling. These young Italians show up and we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard all sorts of things that you know, somebody got

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<v Speaker 1>shot over this and d Wild Chock It is a

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