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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: So, what was the rant you started with last week, Darren?

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Speaker 2: What was it? It was? What was the word that

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Speaker 2: you uh, it's being misspelled or misused two weeks ago?

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Speaker 2: What was this?

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Speaker 3: Super super Bowl was two words? Oh?

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Speaker 2: That's it? Yes, Okay, Because well I have something about

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Speaker 2: a particular word that I'll get to in a moment. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I need a judgment on the word judgment and how

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Speaker 2: it's spelled. Do you remember the PowerPoint presentation Darren Urban

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Speaker 2: gave about a month ago, uh internally to the department,

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Speaker 2: and he had a slide that had the word judgment

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Speaker 2: and it was spelled j U d G E M

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Speaker 2: E n T.

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Speaker 4: I caught me out to see if I was paying

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Speaker 4: attention to Darren's presentation, because that would be quite rude, Paul.

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Speaker 2: She has I'm not going to ask you pointed questions

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Speaker 2: about it, because I can tell right now you you

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Speaker 2: don't have a very good recall of Darren Darren's scintillating

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Speaker 2: PowerPoint presentation. How dare you not remember every single word?

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Speaker 2: Danny Sirek you're on Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific

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Speaker 2: Office Automation. Anyway, once upon a time, I think was

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Speaker 2: high school years, I spelled it exactly that way, and

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Speaker 2: I got marked down and I never forgot about it.

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Speaker 2: And sure enough, the more accepted spelling, apparently allegedly ostensibly

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Speaker 2: is j U d G minus the E, M E

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Speaker 4: That's why I would spell.

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Speaker 5: It, and US English judgment with no E is the

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Speaker 5: only correct spelling.

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Speaker 3: So I really think that was incorrect.

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Speaker 2: But Darren I saw on a lower third Chiron. It

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Speaker 2: was a major news station recently. They had it spelled

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Speaker 2: the way you had it spelled with an E in

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Speaker 3: Well, then they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: So we need a ruling, some sort of rendering on

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Speaker 2: whether it's accurate or I.

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Speaker 3: Did just give you a ruling the only correct spelling.

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Speaker 4: All right, So so Darren was wrong. Let's pack it up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we resolved that one. How about this headline I

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Speaker 2: saw in a business site. Quote Using this one word

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Speaker 2: more often can make you fifty percent more influential, according

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Speaker 2: to a Harvard study. Is it very No, But it

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Speaker 2: is a simple seven letter word that you use. Everyone

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Speaker 2: uses a lot. But they say the word because can

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Speaker 2: change someone's mind. And this goes back into a whole

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Speaker 2: big study, you know, Wharton's School of Business, Harvard, This

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Speaker 2: whole thing. Using the word because while trying to convince

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Speaker 2: someone to do something has a compelling result. Says the study. Okay,

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Speaker 2: more people will listen to you and do what you want.

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Speaker 2: And they point to a study where they position someone

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Speaker 2: when somebody RANDO would walk up ready to make copies,

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Speaker 2: this person will purposely cut in front of them and say.

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Speaker 2: They would say, may I use the xerox machine, which

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Speaker 2: didn't get a very good response because I was just

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Speaker 2: have to make copies? That got a more receptive response,

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Speaker 2: and the initial person walking up, but may I use

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Speaker 2: the xerox machine because I'm in a rush, actually was

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Speaker 2: much more likely to result in a favorable outcome.

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Speaker 4: People are getting paid to do studies.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what I thought.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, wait a minute, you're doing a study that

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Speaker 5: basically proves that if you give a person a reason,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, isn't didn't you was it last off season? Paul?

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Speaker 4: Didn't you have a whole list of words to use

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Speaker 4: in an email to like sound smarter for that?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, Paul, you sound smart enough. I'm noticing

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Speaker 4: a trend here. You don't need to change your vocabulary

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Speaker 4: that drastically, because because you're fine just the way you are.

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Speaker 2: I see, Okay, I see. So what are you saying?

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Speaker 2: It's this is revealing some sort of lack of confidence internally.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying Danny.

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Speaker 4: That I need to just noticing a pattern.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to prepare you, guys, because they say

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Speaker 2: in marketing, for example, there's a for fifty years a

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Speaker 2: certain makeup company has used the catchphrase because You're worth it.

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Speaker 2: And there's a reason that the word because is in there.

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm not a fan of starting a sentence with because.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: But that's just my judgment.

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Speaker 2: Just thought i'd throw that out there. So as you

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Speaker 2: make your arguments here on this edition of Cardinals Underground

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Speaker 2: in the week before you're going to the combine, just

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Speaker 2: remember you might want to state your case accordingly and

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Speaker 2: use the word because to actually bolster your argument, Danny

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Speaker 2: surrec That's all I'm throwing out there. Okay, good, all right.

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Speaker 5: I'd prefer Danny just give her arguments and not give

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's do this. Today is day one

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Speaker 2: where you can use the franchise tag. Are the Arizona

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Speaker 2: Cardinals going to use their franchise tag everybody now in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four? Heck no, okay, and we don't even

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Speaker 2: need it because of that one that just goes unsaid.

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Speaker 2: As for Cardinals free agents who are most apt to stay. Actually,

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Speaker 2: give me your power poll. Top three Cardinals free agents

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Speaker 2: in terms of importance to the twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 2: their own your Mania support. You're Jonathan Gannon, who do

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Speaker 2: you view as the top three free pending free agents?

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Speaker 2: Can we all agree that Hollywood Brown would be number one?

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Speaker 2: Or are you going to have you one of the

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Speaker 4: He'd be my top three?

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Speaker 5: In your top three? Yeah, but if you're doing a powerpool,

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Speaker 5: would he be number one?

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Speaker 4: I saw it probably yes, We're just looking at the

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Speaker 4: what free agents are going to be signed, I would

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Speaker 4: say yes, Hollywood Brown is number one. You have to

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Speaker 4: bring him back as a pending free agent because.

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Speaker 2: I could argue that your number one corner is on

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Speaker 4: I think I would still say Hollywood Brown.

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Speaker 2: He's also older than your defensive coordinator who's still young,

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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I'm just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 2: You're also very thin, your thinnest position group of any

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Speaker 2: right now, Do we all agree it's defensive line.

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Speaker 4: That was the one that was originally kind of I

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Speaker 4: would like to see LJ.

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Speaker 3: Collier back.

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Speaker 4: Weren't Hollywoo Brown? I was thinking of D Lineman, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: definitely important.

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Speaker 2: You know Carlos Watkins like he fote to, you know,

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Speaker 2: guys are there. I'll also argue long snapper Aaron Brewer.

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Speaker 2: How many times did Aaron Brewer's name get mentioned this season?

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Speaker 2: Bupkiss and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing is they had.

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Speaker 3: What about Matt Hembrough, who.

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Speaker 4: Was on IR the Cardinals kept around all year? Okay,

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Speaker 4: that would be the only thing where I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: What about Blake Gillickin.

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Speaker 4: Who had That would be more important to me.

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Speaker 3: A record setting year and we don't know what's gonna

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Speaker 4: Need a punter. Come on, Paul, you're always team special teams,

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Speaker 2: I only recently realized he did set a single season,

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Speaker 3: Not for net for gross. Okay, but it was far

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Speaker 5: So yes, it was over fifty yards of punt, the

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Speaker 5: first Cardinal ever to do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So all right, so those guys are out there,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you what about a Jeff Swain.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you know you don't have a real

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Speaker 2: deep tight end room right now, and we saw how

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Speaker 4: End sets, not not a top three still important? Are

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Speaker 4: we out of the top three or are you still

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Speaker 4: asking top three before? I guess I answer my question

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Speaker 4: because you can get it because Tracker d every time.

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Speaker 2: Whatever direction you want to go on that one, because

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Speaker 2: they call him coach Swam, I do think he is

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Speaker 4: I agree, as you're blocking tight end, I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: Trey McBride, who's your true catching number one true tight end,

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Speaker 4: but you need more than that, especially with what offensive

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Speaker 4: corner Drew Petson likes to run in the packages he

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Speaker 4: think that Jeff Swayne would make a difference returning to

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Speaker 2: By the way, did how did Trey mcbrin end up

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Speaker 3: Brought into the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it was? He did the whole car

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Speaker 2: wash thing at the Super Bowl. I was wondering how

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Speaker 2: that happened. Okay, I'm pretty sure, by the way, Darren,

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about Kay Adams supposedly dating Shan s Gerania.

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Speaker 2: That's all. It was all over Twitter.

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Speaker 4: By the way, did you jump in to see that

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Speaker 4: one on the Pat McAfee show. Yes, well, he sent

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Speaker 4: Kay like shoes Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 5: Like shams or Pat McKee shams.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe air Force ones or something like sneakers,

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Speaker 4: I think. And then he was on the Pat McAfee show.

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Speaker 4: I think he said those Valentine's Day it was it

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Speaker 4: was last week. And then he was on the Pat

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Speaker 4: McAfee show and McFee straight up asked him, are you

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Speaker 4: dating Ka Adams? And it was this whole roundabout way

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Speaker 4: of him saying essentially no. I think he was intentionally

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Speaker 4: It almost seems like he was trying to dodge it

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Speaker 4: to keep it like a secret. But I didn't get

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Speaker 4: the vibe that he was doing that because they're together.

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Speaker 4: I got it. I was like, we're not together, but

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Speaker 4: this is something that people like talking.

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Speaker 5: But I'm hoping we're to get the mystery because I

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Speaker 5: would say my top three would be Hollywood and Collier

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Speaker 3: If I had to do a POWERPOTL three.

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Speaker 2: Jones, Jack Jones.

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Speaker 2: By the way, according to the NFL dot Com story,

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Speaker 2: In a new GM. So they're saying it's gonna be

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Speaker 5: Mike Williams is always hurt, yes he is, so what's

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Speaker 2: By the way, Keenan Allen had a heck of a

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Speaker 5: And the Chargers did an excellent job when he got

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Speaker 3: Really, Oh did.

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Speaker 5: They put together a video that showed every single one

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Speaker 2: By the way, Joey Bosa also.

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Speaker 3: Injured all the time, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Over thirty six million dollar cap hit and Khalil Mack

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Speaker 2: So I'm just wondering what does this mean for manti

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I there's a reason these guys are gonna be on

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Speaker 4: I would see it more as it just we get

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Speaker 4: agree with your point, Darren of there's a reason teams

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Speaker 4: And I don't see the Cardinals as one of those

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Speaker 2: It's the old risk reward of free agency. For example,

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Speaker 5: That's something like that feels like you restructure or you extend,

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Speaker 4: That's the important part about the combine. It's the medicals

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Speaker 4: and the interviews. Yes, the drills are important. However, there's

443
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Speaker 4: a good amount of scouts from each team that won't

444
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Speaker 4: even stay for those workouts because they can get that

445
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: film and that way you're seeing similar to something like

446
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, that is just a smaller piece of

447
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 4: all the film your scouts have watched, or going out

448
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Speaker 4: and watching these players throughout the season. The combine itself

449
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 4: is so important to understand not just a prospect's personality

450
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Speaker 4: and how they carry themselves, how well do they understand

451
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Speaker 4: the game. They're getting quiz they're in there and it's

452
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Speaker 4: not just getting to know you. They're asking these prospects

453
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Speaker 4: about how they would read something or specific play in

454
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Speaker 4: what they saw in a game, or they might have

455
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Speaker 4: a position coach in there of hey if I tell

456
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Speaker 4: you this and this, and trying to kind of quiz

457
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Speaker 4: them and see how coachable they are. That's what's important

458
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Speaker 4: about the combine is getting to know, yes, their personality,

459
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Speaker 4: is it going to be a fit in the locker room?

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Speaker 4: And also how coachable are you going to be? How

461
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Speaker 4: quickly are you going to pick up on things? How

462
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Speaker 4: do you see the game? And it's important you don't

463
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Speaker 4: have a lot of time. I mean, it's like, I

464
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Speaker 4: don't even know if it's a fully fifteen minutes. It

465
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Speaker 4: might be something like twelve, is it fifteen fifteen?

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Speaker 3: It's supposed to be fifteen.

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Speaker 4: It's quick.

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Speaker 5: I recently did a post on the ESPN did a

469
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Speaker 5: redraft of last year's draft and no trades were allowed,

470
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Speaker 5: so the Cardinals were stuck at three, and they in

471
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Speaker 5: this redraft they took will Anderson. But the reason I

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Speaker 5: noted it or paid attention to it and CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud went number one, I presume believe so.

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Speaker 5: Yes, one of the reasons I paid attention to it

475
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Speaker 5: was because the Raiders who were picking seven, which ended

476
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Speaker 5: up being won behind the Cardinals. When the Cardinals were

477
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Speaker 5: done wheeling and dealing last year, basically wanted Paris Johnson

478
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Speaker 5: and that's one of the reasons the Cardinals wanted to

479
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Speaker 5: move up to six. And I've gotten some feedback on

480
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Speaker 5: that being you know, like that's still stupid, and you know,

481
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Speaker 5: Paris Johnson wasn't even the best tackle available and all

482
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Speaker 5: this stuff. And I thought of this when I had

483
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Speaker 5: heard the audio of the event you hosted, Paul, and

484
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Speaker 5: one of the things I did notice was Monty talking

485
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Speaker 5: about how this is about their how they evaluate these players.

486
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Speaker 5: It's not what the mock drafts might say, it's not

487
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Speaker 5: what even even other teams might say. This is how

488
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Speaker 5: they do. And that's that's one of the things that

489
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Speaker 5: I always found interesting. You know, fans get upset about

490
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Speaker 5: this or that when it comes to the draft, and

491
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Speaker 5: yet there's processes in place with each of these teams,

492
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Speaker 5: in this case the Cardinals, of how they get to

493
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Speaker 5: their board, who they're trying to get, why they're trying

494
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Speaker 5: to get there, and you will never have all that

495
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Speaker 5: information that they have if you're a fan. Okay, maybe

496
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 5: maybe the film says player X is a little bit

497
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Speaker 5: better than player why at tackle. But if they've gone

498
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Speaker 5: through interviews and they've determined that player, why, even though

499
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Speaker 5: he is just a tad below him talent wise, is

500
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Speaker 5: a better fit for your locker room or better fit

501
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Speaker 5: for what you want to do, or you just like

502
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 5: the personality you're bringing in That changes the equation that

503
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Speaker 5: Joe Blow on the street is never going to understand.

504
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Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean they're always going to make the

505
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Speaker 5: right picks. They're gonna make it, but they're gonna make

506
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Speaker 5: the picks that they want to make rather than based

507
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Speaker 5: on Because this is, as we've talked about a million times,

508
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: this is not science. It's not it's a guessing game.

509
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: It's it can be intelligent guests, but it's still a

510
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 5: guessing game.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of mock drafts, on the day of this podcast,

512
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Speaker 2: we've had the Daniel Jeremiah two point zero come out

513
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Speaker 2: here you go, Caleb Williams number one to Chicago, Drake

514
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Speaker 2: May number two to Washington, Marvin Harrison Junior number three

515
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Speaker 2: to New England. He has New England finding a veteran

516
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Speaker 2: quarterback in the off season, and then number four maleak

517
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Speaker 2: Neighbors to the Arizona Cardinals.

518
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Speaker 3: Now LSU wide receiver.

519
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Speaker 2: That's in addition to Lance Zerline. Also NFL dot Com

520
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Speaker 2: recently having the Cardinals going receiver at number four and

521
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Speaker 2: not Marvin Harrison Junior either. In that mock draft he

522
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Speaker 2: had the Cardinals going rome and doonsay.

523
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Speaker 5: Was Marvin off the board on his draft.

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Speaker 2: Though, Yes, so I just don't see that happening. And

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Speaker 2: this Daniel Jeremiah right, If.

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Speaker 4: It's not Marvin Harrison Junior, I don't see the Cardinals

527
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Speaker 4: taking another wide receiver at four.

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Speaker 2: In fact, then the Daniel Jeremiah Joe Alt goes number

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Speaker 2: five to the Chargers. That would see the Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: tack Cardinals. To me, if Marmon Harrison is off the

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Speaker 2: board and they stick and stay at number four, Joe

532
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Speaker 2: Walt or the tackle position would be much more likely.

533
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Speaker 4: You know, I saw something on Twitter today. I believe

534
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Speaker 4: it was Matt Miller who I saw it from, and

535
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Speaker 4: it was a really good point talking about the Patriots

536
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Speaker 4: at three overall of not taking a quarterback, essentially looking

537
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Speaker 4: at what Carolina did with Bryce Young, of taking a

538
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Speaker 4: quarterback in a situation where the rest of the team

539
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: is still in such a heavy rebuilding phase that he

540
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Speaker 4: didn't have the proper production or the proper pieces around

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Speaker 4: him to be successful, and that slows down the process

542
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Speaker 4: as a whole. And so the argument was the Patriots

543
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Speaker 4: should take a wide receiver, get a veteran quarterback, and

544
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Speaker 4: kind of build around that way. And maybe even if

545
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Speaker 4: we've seen online, maybe the quarterbacks for next year's draft

546
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Speaker 4: aren't going to be as highly graded. But if you

547
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Speaker 4: can get by for a year or two with a

548
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Speaker 4: veteran quarterback and drafting, if you're in New England drafting

549
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Speaker 4: a wide receiver at three overall rather than a quarterback,

550
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Speaker 4: which has been the talk for the last couple of

551
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Speaker 4: weeks or months at least in a lot of these

552
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Speaker 4: mock drafts, because you know, the Patriots need a quarterback

553
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Speaker 4: and you got the third off all pick, right, kind

554
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: of seems like that would go hand in hand. But

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Speaker 4: I do think it's a good argument if you're New England,

556
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Speaker 4: of finding a veteran quarterback that you like and using

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Speaker 4: that top pic for maybe another piece, especially what Marvin

558
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Speaker 4: Harrison Junior has been described as a generational talent as

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Speaker 4: a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: The only thing is that and Matt Miller's on board

561
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Speaker 2: with this, and Daniel Jeremiah as well, is that if

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Speaker 2: next year's QB class is so poor, then can afford

563
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Speaker 2: to wait two years.

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Speaker 5: Essentially, again, this comes down to in this case, just

565
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Speaker 5: like with the Cardinals, what do the Patriots think of

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Speaker 5: these quarterbacks? Do if they think one of these top

567
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Speaker 5: three you're assuming is a guy that you can be

568
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: your long term guy, then yeah, if you're looking and saying, okay,

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Speaker 5: just for argument's sake, Drake May and Caleb Williams are,

570
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Speaker 5: but they're both off the board by the time we.

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Speaker 3: Pick, then no.

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Speaker 5: Now, the problem they're going to have is that to

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Speaker 5: get the veteran quarterback you're going to have to make

574
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Speaker 5: that decision long before the draft. So they're going to

575
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Speaker 5: already have to make the decision. Okay, there's not three

576
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that we really love, and so if one happens

577
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: drop to us, great and we'll let them sit behind

578
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Speaker 5: veteran guy for now. But we're going to assume that

579
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Speaker 5: those top two guys that we like are going to

580
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Speaker 5: be off the board, and then we need to make

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Speaker 5: sure that we're covered. And I would think, quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: with the way the Patriots are situated, I think they

583
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Speaker 5: could sign a veteran quarterback, and I wouldn't be ruling

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Speaker 5: out they could still take a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, if they sign a veteran quarterback,

586
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Speaker 4: how fun would that be? Because it would be pretty telling.

587
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Speaker 4: And then you see the other teams maybe start to

588
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: scramble a little bit of who who wants to jump up?

589
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: Who wants to get Marvin Harrison Junior? Is it the Cardinals?

590
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: Are they willing to make a trade in or a quarterback? Right?

591
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Speaker 3: But see, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: What quarterbacks are going to be available? I mean, I

593
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: can only think of what two off the top of

594
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Speaker 5: my head that if the Patriots got him, you're thinking

595
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Speaker 5: they're definitely not taking a quarterback. Kirk Cousins, or you

596
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: trade for Justin Fields, right.

597
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: Who unfollowed the Bears on Instagram?

598
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Speaker 2: What about Russell Wilson, Jimmy Garoppolo. I mean, there's Jimmy Garray.

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Speaker 5: But but again, my point was not the first two

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Speaker 5: games a fifteen game season. But but I said, guys

601
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Speaker 5: that you would sign that, you would know that they're

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Speaker 5: not taking a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You really not taking a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not saying there are other veterans I'm saying, veterans,

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Speaker 5: you would sign where you're saying, okay, Patriots are absolutely

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Speaker 5: out of the quarterback drafting game.

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Speaker 4: And sure you don't think if they signed Russell Wilson

609
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Speaker 4: that would be two years and then you approach a

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Speaker 4: quarterback in two.

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Speaker 5: Years if you sign Russell Wilson. Let's say Russell Wilson

612
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Speaker 5: still has something left, which I'm not sure he does,

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Speaker 5: but let's.

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Speaker 3: Say he does.

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Speaker 5: You aren't going to be high enough to draft another

616
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Speaker 5: quarterback and you're gonna be in a world of hurt

617
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Speaker 5: in two years or sooner if Russell Wilson it turns

618
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Speaker 5: out doesn't have anything left. If you're third and there's

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Speaker 5: a quarterback there you think can be that guy, you

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Speaker 5: can't pass him up.

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Speaker 3: I don't care who you sign.

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Speaker 2: So let's zoom out. Let's recap the three teams ahead

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Speaker 2: of the Cardinals as we see it right now, and

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Speaker 2: you guys stop me when you disagree. Number one Chicago,

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Speaker 2: they're going Caleb Williams.

626
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Speaker 3: Sure feels like it.

627
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Speaker 2: They could have taken CJ. Stroud last year. Let's not

628
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Speaker 2: forget that they didn't. They gotta be kicking themselves. They

629
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Speaker 2: traded out, went from one to nine. Carolina screwed it up,

630
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Speaker 2: took Bryce Young. So are they gonna give Justin Fields

631
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Speaker 2: another prove it year? No, not when he's on the

632
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Speaker 2: hook for big money. So they move him now, maybe

633
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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh, maybe a Raiders. Somebody comes up. They want,

634
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Speaker 2: you know, Atlanta, perhaps they want Justin Fields. Okay, so

635
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Speaker 2: they're going Caleb Williams. Washington's going quarterback in number two,

636
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Speaker 2: number three. To me, if New England doesn't go quarterback,

637
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Speaker 2: if Darren scenario, they don't like any of the remaining quarterbacks,

638
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: so they don't like this class, I think another team

639
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: who does like a quarterback will come up to number

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Speaker 2: three and New England trades out. In fact, I'm thinking

641
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Speaker 2: New England might be much more apt to trade out

642
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: potentially than the Cardinals out of number three, and there's

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Speaker 2: your three quarterbacks I still think will go regardless of

644
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Speaker 2: team one, two three in this draft, leaving the Cardinals

645
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Speaker 2: with either Marvin Harrison Junior or remember my scenario, QB

646
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Speaker 2: rising if you can get that fourth quarterback to come up.

647
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Speaker 2: And I bring that up because the guy who seems

648
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Speaker 2: to be making the Anthony Richardson type run right now

649
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: is JJ McCarthy from Michigan. He was number ten and

650
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Speaker 2: Milk Kuiper's mock draft last week. This week he goes

651
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Speaker 2: number eight, Daniel Jeremiah. And we haven't even hit the

652
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Speaker 2: combine or the Pro day. So by the time we're

653
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Speaker 2: done with the combine and the Pro Day and the

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Speaker 2: interviews and the throwing and all the measurables and the

655
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Speaker 2: medicals and everything else, throwing on air boom, he's coming

656
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Speaker 2: up to number four. Should be a best case scenario

657
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Speaker 2: for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

659
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: Now it's either best player or best trade package.

660
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Speaker 4: Because then the Cardinals have all the leverage for your

661
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: future franchise quarterback.

662
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 5: But why is that the Well, I guess because you

663
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: have the option. Okay, because because if Harrison goes three,

664
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: you're still you're still going to have a team that

665
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: wants a quarterbacks quarterback I would expect, So you're still

666
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: going to have that option.

667
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: Like I see the story the Raiders right now, All right,

668
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: the Raiders, And here's the headline Raiders. Oc Luke getsy

669
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: excited to work with qb Aid and O'Connell. Nope, sorry,

670
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: not right.

671
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: Where's Vegas seven?

672
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

673
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh they're thirteen. The Raiders are thirteen.

674
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

675
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: See, that's the That's the other issue is some of

676
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 5: these teams that want quarterbacks are pretty far down. I

677
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: mean the next the next team that really needs a

678
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: quarterback is eight, right, Atlanta.

679
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Yes.

680
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Correct. In fact, later in the story, Luke getsy Will

681
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: leaves that there is one critical skill that a quarterback

682
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: should possess while playing the position. Here in twenty twenty

683
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: four quote, it's really important that you have some type

684
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: of escapability. You got to be able to have that

685
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: second chance create the extended play, whether it's just sliding

686
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: up in the pocket or whether it's extending it with

687
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: your feet outside the pocket. Is that Aidan O'Connell, the

688
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: fourth rounder from Purdue, I'd say no. In fact, of

689
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is there at number four and his former

690
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: coach at ASU Antonio Pierce, and they're in that Raiders.

691
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: War room and you're moving, You're so I'm.

692
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Thinking, I'm thinking, MANIASI work gets a phone call and

693
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: a heck of a trade offer from the Raider.

694
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: You can get one of those top d linemen at thirteen.

695
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: Even if you said you don't want to do tackle,

696
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: maybe take a wide receiver at twenty seven, or vice versa.

697
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: Take a wide receiver if you go down to thirteen

698
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: and then attack the trenches at twenty seven.

699
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: So what kind of package would you need to go

700
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: from four to thirteen?

701
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the old uh what the

702
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: old Jimmy Johnson trade value chart in front of me.

703
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: You know you definitely to go from four to thirteen.

704
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: And once again, when you talked about this last week,

705
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: not only do you need the first round pick, but

706
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: you need the QB searcharge the QB kicker in there,

707
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: because based on last year, you know, you could hope

708
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: and wish and figure that it's going to be a

709
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: top five, top ten pick, but look what happens. So

710
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: if I'm MANIASA. Ford, I'm citing that to the team

711
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: calling me and saying, because of that, guess what, I'm

712
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: going to need some further insurance.

713
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: What about? What about if you're doing that scenario of

714
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: you take a twenty twenty five first and second from

715
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: Vegas and then maybe twenty twenty four you take a

716
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 4: later round because the Cardinals have eleven draft picks this year,

717
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know how much of a difference

718
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: by that point if you're getting later picks, including swapping. Yes, yes,

719
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: I agree of if Vegas is going to ride with

720
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback C J. Stroud and the Texas is

721
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: an anomaly. It's an anomaly. I mean, you have to

722
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: look at it as what it is, which is an anomaly.

723
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: What do you expect what we were expecting last year

724
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 4: of Vegas is going to ride with a rookie quarterback.

725
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: Of okay, if you have their first and second in

726
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, that's probably going to bode pretty well

727
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: for you.

728
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: And look, he's in a division with Andy Reid and

729
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and now Jim Harbaugh. So yeah, I like

730
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: the forecast as well, just like I thoroughly was on

731
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: board with the factory in of Houston a year ago

732
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: then won more than four games in each of the

733
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: three previous seasons. And they're going to start a rookie

734
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: quarterback with a rookie head coach. Are you kidding me?

735
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm totally with you on that.

736
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 4: I just I know it can feel like the Cardinals

737
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: maybe got burned by that trade in terms of landing

738
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: with twenty seven because of Stroud and the Texans. I

739
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 4: don't know that I have the same confidence that Vegas

740
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: would be able to pull that off as well. It

741
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't It wouldn't stop me from looking at that idea

742
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: of if you're looking for trade value of looking at

743
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 4: first and second for twenty twenty five, and then.

744
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: Because it's such a loaded O line draft, you could

745
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: still get your tackle and or your franchise center later

746
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: in the first round. You could find a corner that

747
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: by most forecasts. I'm really curious to see what corner

748
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: and edge rusher looks at the combine and whether that

749
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: changes are thinking two weeks from now, what the thinking is,

750
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: and whether there really is a corner or an edge

751
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: guy worthy of a top five, top eight pick in

752
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: this draft.

753
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: It's funny because Mina Kaimes tweeted out that by her evaluation,

754
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: twenty of the thirty two teams would have to have

755
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 5: cornerback as a major priority. Twenty of them. Wow, obviously

756
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 5: that includes the Cardinals. But that's a and from everything

757
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 5: I've read, cornerback is not strong in this draft depth wise.

758
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's use that as the premise. Let's say, Okay,

759
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: that is the reality right now, and if there's much

760
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: more demand than supply and the Cardinals, they got to

761
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: be in the top five of teams in need of

762
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: cornerback one considering that Antonio Hamilton is your top cornerback

763
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: right now, do you overdraft a corner Terry and Arnold

764
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: who has figured to go eight to twelve, eight to fifteen.

765
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: Do you take a Terry and Arnold out of Alabama

766
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: number four?

767
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 4: Not out of desperation? No, and if he's not high

768
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: enough on your board to warrant that, or maybe you're

769
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: even stretching by about one to four picks picking early. No,

770
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: not with not with where the Cardinals pick. Again, you

771
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: have so many other needs in and Darren has a

772
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: point of it's not just other needs, it's the quality

773
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 4: of positions like wide receiver and tackle that make it

774
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: worth it to stick with those in the draft this year.

775
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: I would not draft a cornerback strictly because you need one.

776
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: If if that player, if the value doesn't warrant.

777
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: That, I'm not stretching.

778
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 5: And this is essentially close to the same argument Danny

779
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 5: just had. But I'm not stretching because this team isn't

780
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: about to win a Super Bowl and you still have

781
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: to build quite a bit of this roster and stretching

782
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: to do anything at this point, like it'd be like

783
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 5: spending a ton of money on a certain defensive player

784
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: and freegency. And I'm not naming anybody, I'm just saying it.

785
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: You're just you're not that close to be making risky

786
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: moves like that when you have to build a roster still,

787
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 5: not only this year, but you might be talking about

788
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty five draft to get to where you

789
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: really need to be.

790
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: My only corner counter argument is that it's so loaded

791
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: in o line, it's so loaded in a receiver, and

792
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: you have eleven picks in this draft, use your top pick,

793
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: number four overall, to get the position group that's undersupplied, undermanned,

794
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: and then you take your rest of your picks to

795
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: target those other position groups because it's so deep in.

796
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: If I've got six guys above the cornerback at four

797
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 5: and that's where i have to pick, there is no

798
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 5: way in hell I'm taking the cornerback.

799
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 4: No way we And the other point is is just

800
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: because you draft him forth overall doesn't mean he's going

801
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 4: to be good enough on the field. Just because he's

802
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: you're drafting to be your number one cornerback doesn't mean,

803
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: he's going to be able to play like a number

804
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: one cornerback against the wide receivers in the league, in

805
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: this division.

806
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: Do we have to talk about Cody Brown again?

807
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: Paul, Oh, boy, I shouldn't laugh at that one. You're right,

808
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: Cody Brown boy had no business being a top a

809
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: round two pick at all, and that was apparent right

810
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: from the get go. Yeah, and you were chasing that

811
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: one for a good three or four five years. You're

812
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: right on a swing and a miss like that. Yeah,

813
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: the best case scenario might be, honestly, at this point,

814
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: and it'll change every week until we get to late April,

815
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: the best case scenario might be doing a deal with

816
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: Atlanta and guess what, you go down to eight. But

817
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: at eight, at eight, you can still get a top

818
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. You can still get the top corner perhaps

819
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: in Terry and Arnold, or maybe it's someone else. Maybe

820
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: you go for you know that the best edge rusher in

821
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: this draft, which probably won't go before number eight.

822
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: Unless Justin Fields finds his way to Atlanta before the.

823
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: Draft, maybe it might happen. You're right, You're absolutely right,

824
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: and you know, but and there are teams that I'm

825
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: not Denver, the Raiders, Atlanta, Pittsburgh. These are all teams

826
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: that are Minnesota. They need a quarterback. They need an

827
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: answer it's quarterback.

828
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to me the Justin Fields thing.

829
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: If the Bears decide to trade him, what kind of

830
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 5: package they get for him. If I'm Atlanta, I don't

831
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: know if I'm trading the eighth overall pick for Justin fist.

832
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: I don't know that you trade it first.

833
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think so, especially when everybody knows the Bears

834
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 5: need to trade him.

835
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 4: Right.

836
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: In fact, I heard of ESPN Raider recently on this,

837
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: and I think was Chris Canty who said, no way,

838
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm giving anything beyond a round two for Justin Fields.

839
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: So that sounds about right.

840
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: It's not like he was lighting up Chicago and he

841
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: needs to be paid, right, He's at the end of

842
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: his rookie deal.

843
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 5: It's very rosenesque.

844
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, So look, I'm just I'm curious to

845
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: what degree Moni's phone is gonna ring. I wonder how

846
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: much he's already had inquiries people kicking the tip.

847
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: You're more so starting next week after them or during

848
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: the combine the week after I guess.

849
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm guessing right at the combine, people come

850
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: up and hey, money, got a moment, let's walk and talk, right.

851
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: I'm sure there'll be some preliminary kind of discussions, but

852
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 5: of course we're not gonna know. Moni's not doing jack

853
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: squat until he's on the clock and he knows who

854
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 5: he could potentially pick.

855
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: It will be interesting after the combine of when all

856
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 4: these players they're agents and management and all that stuff,

857
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: and everybody's kind of fluffing up their own players. Of

858
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: you need a couple of days or so to really

859
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: digest everything and kind of read and see what the

860
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: analysts are saying, because it's gonna be a lot of Oh,

861
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: this player met with all these teams, all great, he's

862
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: expected to be a first round right. You gotta you

863
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: gotta take a moment, and you gotta make sure that

864
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 4: wherever you're seeing that is a trusted source.

865
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 5: Every every single one of the either a GM or

866
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: a coach is going to talk the teams that Paul

867
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: just said need quarterbacks and say, whoever x's right now

868
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: is a great option for us by.

869
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: Doing our due diligence.

870
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: By the way, with the Cardinals' second first round pick

871
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: number twenty seven. Overall, you realize the most popular name,

872
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: based on what I see in the mock drafts, your

873
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: guy at a missoo Darius Robinson, who bawled out.

874
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: At the Senior the Senior Bowl.

875
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: He's really he can six five eighty six, he can

876
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: rush inside, he can slide out to the edge. A

877
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: lot of mock drafts have him coming to the Cardinals

878
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: at twenty seven.

879
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: Over rules, get you some more tigers in the building.

880
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: My guy apparently is climbing the mock drafts. Jackson Powers

881
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: Johnson the now Susy Center, sixty three, three thirty four

882
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: out of Oregon, the Franchise Center. I was thinking maybe

883
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: he'd be a possibility at twenty seven, but his stock

884
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: has been right here.

885
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: Here's the problem. As you say his stock is.

886
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: Rising, we got an isom.

887
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: It's funny because I know him in for it. When

888
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: he gathers himself, he got he leans back. It's an

889
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: extra deep breath in three to one.

890
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: I mean, the bottom line is when you start talking

891
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 5: about these guys rising and what kind of attention they're getting,

892
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: I mean, in the end, we don't we don't know that,

893
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: Like we were just guessing it's like you brought up

894
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 5: the Daniel Jeremiah mock draft.

895
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: Yep, he's got to He's gonna do.

896
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 5: Whatever five or six or eight versions, right, I'm sure,

897
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: And so it feels like its okay. So last one

898
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 5: I had the three quarterbacks going top three. So this one,

899
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make the Patriots sign a veteran quarterbackquote unquote,

900
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 5: and that means I can put Marvin Harrison there. And

901
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: that's the other thing that kind of bothers me, is

902
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: like some of these mock drafts, and it might have

903
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: been Daniels, to be honest. I read something recently where

904
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: Harrison went to the Patriots, and there's been a couple

905
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 5: of them that have mocked that, and it says the

906
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: Patriots are gonna get a veteran quarterback. But that's all

907
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 5: they say. They don't say who it's gonna be. They

908
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 5: don't see how that's gonna work out.

909
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: Like, you can't.

910
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 5: You can't sit there and go, well, if you get

911
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 5: player X as your veteran quarterback, I mean, you're obviously

912
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 5: playing for next year. You kind of explained it, you know,

913
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: earlier when you were talking about a Paul But it's

914
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 5: like that's that's just a wimpy way to go out

915
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 5: with a with a mock draft. Well, they're gonna do

916
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: They're gonna do this very vague thing and that will

917
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 5: let me put this player with them.

918
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: By the way, my new sleeper, thanks for asking. My

919
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: new sleeper in this draft would be the Seattle Seahawks,

920
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: who just picked up the twelve point seven million dollar

921
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: Gino Smith. Yeah, Gino Smith, right, and they still ow

922
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: hm another nine million at some point in March. So hmmm,

923
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: what are the odds Geno Smith ends up like justin

924
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Fields very possible, gets traded away, and then Seattle comes

925
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: in with, oh, by the way, they just pulled an

926
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals. They have a first time head coach and

927
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: first time coordinators. Seattle has gone it's a copycat league.

928
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: They just went in and replicated what the Cardinals did

929
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: with the young first time head coach Mike McDonald and

930
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: then their two coordinators, Aiden Dirty out of the defensive

931
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: coordinator and then Ryan Grubb is the OC right past

932
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: two seasons as the offensive coordinator. Where washing you dub

933
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: dot dot dot Michael Pennix.

934
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: Were Are they picking or Seattle picking.

935
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: Their mid first round. I was just about to look

936
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: that up.

937
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 5: And see it's gonna be fascinating to see where these

938
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: quarterbacks go.

939
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: And I think two of and we'll never know this,

940
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: I'm always so intrigued of when general managers are at

941
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 4: the combine, which they can do this over the phone.

942
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: Two of that fine line of having relationships of when

943
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: you're talking talking about possibly trading around, of they'ren't ask

944
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: you know, well, are you interested in this player? Are

945
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: you interested in this? And how what's the fine line

946
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: of like we're interested in and maybe this these couple positions,

947
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 4: And then when it's in the war room, I would

948
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: imagine that that's a question on the line of are

949
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 4: you taking this player because that you know? And I'm

950
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 4: just I'm always so intrigued to know how you handle

951
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: those relationships and those and those answers of you have

952
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: it has to be someone that you trust and getting

953
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: to that point. But I think that's intriguing of the

954
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 4: relationships amongst gms around the league and how bold you're

955
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: willing to be questions you're asking them and how honest

956
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: they are in return of your As you're starting to

957
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 4: get an idea of maybe who you could call up

958
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: with a legitimate trade offer on draft day.

959
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's my question of the day.

960
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, just real quick on Danny's point,

961
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fluke that the Cardinals did

962
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: a trade with the Texans last year because or.

963
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: The Lions with Dave Sears system general manager, right, Nick

964
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: Cassio and Mantias Saport how many years together in New

965
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: England's great point.

966
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 5: So my question of the day is this, Uh, what

967
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 5: would you put the odds?

968
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, Seattle draft sixteenth?

969
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you?

970
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: See sixteenth?

971
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 5: What would you put as the odds? And again this

972
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: is only for entertainment and not for competitions.

973
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: I don't have to put a paycheck down wage.

974
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: It's the old letterman, no wagering a drink?

975
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: Thank you?

976
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: What are the odds? What? What has better odds?

977
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 5: Okay, the Cardinals take a wide receiver at four or

978
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 5: they take one at twenty seven.

979
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to go twenty seven because I still believe

980
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: they're building from the inside out.

981
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: Is it close for you?

982
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: This is hard for me, and it's because I don't

983
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: we don't know what New England is going to.

984
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: Do, and we don't know if Marvin Harrison is.

985
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 4: On I was going to say, if Marvin Harrison is

986
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: on the board, I don't think you take another wide

987
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: receiver at four. I think you take a tackle.

988
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 5: But see, that's why I didn't put names on. It

989
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 5: is because Marvin very well could be part of the

990
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 5: conversation at four.

991
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: But do they take them and someone might.

992
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think, just for fun, I'll say, I'll say,

993
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: take a wide receiver.

994
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, here we go. What are the odds they

995
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 5: don't take a wide receiver with either first round pick?

996
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: Pretty good until the second round.

997
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, take maybe a tackle and a d lineman

998
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 4: or a tackle in a cornerback.

999
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: There are more pressing areas there, just are. If Marvin

1000
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is truly that generational player and you're saying

1001
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: he has a legit shot right out of the gates

1002
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, okay, okay,

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: but since nobody really knows ultimately truly, I just think

1004
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: this set of decision makers view that as too risky.

1005
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: Will Paul Calvis here's my final odds question. Will Paul

1006
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 5: calvisy wear a hard hat at the draft party in

1007
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: case the Cardinals have a chance at Marvin Harrison and

1008
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: don't take him, they might.

1009
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: Throw stuff at you.

1010
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: Body armor, full body armor. Is that what you're saying.

1011
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: I need to U.

1012
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: Just ask him.

1013
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll spring up one of the players and I'll

1014
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: use them as a human shield. I like to do that.

1015
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 4: I feel like for your second question, i'd have to

1016
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: say to not take a wide receiver all I'd have

1017
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: to say slim. If I'm going to say it's in

1018
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: the first chance, well say, if I'm going to say

1019
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 4: that chances are high of taking a wide receiver at four,

1020
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: I can't.

1021
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: Opposite and say it's a good point.

1022
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: So I guess I'll stick with that.

1023
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: I mean, find yourself and I'm on Ross Saint Brown

1024
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: in round four. You see recently he said he can name,

1025
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: he can recite all sixteen receivers who are taken ahead

1026
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: of him on the draft. Find that guy.

1027
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: I again, if it's not Marvin Harrison Junior, if he's

1028
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 4: not available at four, I'm not necessarily set on taking

1029
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 4: another wide receiver in the first round. Definitely not at four.

1030
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 4: It's just it's it. That's the point of your question.

1031
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: Is it's hard when you've got one player who is

1032
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 4: being described as a generational talent, and you don't know

1033
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: at this point obviously whether he's there, and.

1034
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: You don't know.

1035
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: You might find a Saint Brown, you might find a

1036
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: Chad Williams. And here's here's the other issue that you have.

1037
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 5: The lower that you go with the wide receivers, they

1038
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 5: might be very talented, they might be very able to

1039
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 5: perform well in this league. And this is where Trey

1040
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 5: McBride comes in. But the later you wait, the less

1041
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 5: likely you're going to find a number one. So do

1042
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 5: you need a quote unquote number one? Is Trey McBride enough?

1043
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: Could Michael Williams Wilson eventually become that guy?

1044
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1045
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: For example, Cardinals went to Pittsburgh and I remember talking

1046
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: to the pregame, what happened to George Pickens this year?

1047
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: Two years ago? Is rookie year? Right? You're like, wow,

1048
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: this guy should have been the first receiver off the board.

1049
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: I know what happened to him. And he's got crappy quarterback.

1050
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 3: Could be that's part of it.

1051
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they fired the OC during the season and

1052
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: all that. I get it. Yeah, So okay, that's part

1053
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: of it. Look speaking of Trey McBride and some of

1054
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: these young guys, right you look, he obviously was the

1055
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: breakout rookie from the twenty twenty two the twenty twenty

1056
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: three class. Who do you expect to make the biggest

1057
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: jump from their first season last season to this season

1058
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: and a fresh everyone's memory. The Cardinals draft picks Paris Johnson,

1059
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: b jo Jalari, Garrett Williams, Michael Wilson, John Gaines, Clayton

1060
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 2: tune Owen, Papo, Keith Trawl Clark, Dante Stills. In round

1061
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: six he got a lot of snaps. And then the

1062
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: undrafted guys Amaro de Mercado, Starling Thomas who was a

1063
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: starter by the end of the year, Elijah Higgins who

1064
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: was a starter at the end of the year. These

1065
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: are all guys who saw time.

1066
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 4: So one of the easy answer beat John Gaines, who

1067
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 4: didn't play the whole season because he was rehabbing.

1068
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 5: That's hard my vote, and it's close for me. My

1069
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 5: vote is b jo Jalari. I think he's gonna get

1070
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: I don't think he got a lot of offseason work

1071
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: last year. I think they're gonna work with him. I

1072
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 5: think he flashed enough, and that's a position to need.

1073
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 5: It's real close with me on him and Garrett Williams,

1074
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 5: because I think Garrett Williams also didn't get an offseason,

1075
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 5: and I think is intelligent enough to really become a

1076
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: solid player. But I'm gonna go with Ojali.

1077
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: Those were my top two. The third could have been

1078
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: Michael Wilson. However, he had that offseason, so I guess

1079
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 4: I was having the same process. I know, but I

1080
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: was having the same thought process you were of two players,

1081
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 4: and Ojulari and Williams I didn't have that full off season,

1082
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: and we still saw good things from them. I think

1083
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 4: probably Garrett Williams just and I'm not saying that b

1084
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 4: Jo jul is not intelligent, but it just seems like

1085
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: Garrett Williams is an incredibly intelligent and sees the field well.

1086
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: And when you've got Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson right

1087
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: there helping you, I just I can't imagine he has

1088
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 4: anything but a big leap into year two with a

1089
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: full off season and you know, presumably a full healthy season.

1090
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: Garrett Williams made a comment on the Big Red Rage.

1091
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: He said he was already bored watching college football because

1092
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: the NFL is so much more advanced than college football,

1093
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: and we watch his college football now he's not even

1094
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: a full year removed from the college game. He said

1095
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: he was bored by it because it's so simplistic compared

1096
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: to the NFL and everything that's on their plate. Everything

1097
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: they scheme up and they run. I thought so to

1098
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: your point, Yeah, he's definitely has a high football IQ there,

1099
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. My only pushback on the

1100
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: b Joe Jali? Did you see enough to truly forecast

1101
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: a breakout year in twenty twenty four? Are you hoping

1102
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: in praying maybe Bjjali is the breakout game. Maybe there's

1103
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: a little bit of that because it's such an area

1104
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: of need, Maybe.

1105
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 5: There's a little bit of that. I mean, I did

1106
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 5: think he flashed. Did he flash as much as I'd

1107
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 5: like him to?

1108
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: Probably not, But what.

1109
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: We will see, they definitely need him, and I want

1110
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 5: to believe in the draft capital that they invested in him.

1111
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: I've seen enough second round linebackers not work out in

1112
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 5: my career, so I'd like for that one to work.

1113
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you made me put money on it and

1114
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: like serious stakes, I'd probably go with Michael Wilson. I

1115
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: really would, because I think the last two games were

1116
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: telling when he finally got in sync with his quarterback,

1117
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: when he finally you know, those two actually had some

1118
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: chemistry going and they're able to make adjustments sort of

1119
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: with eye contact, and he described a couple of those

1120
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: third downs they converted, you know, once he really had

1121
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: some of those route adjusts down, and Kyler could trust

1122
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: him and would target him more. If you're asking me

1123
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: who's going to have a breakout season, I could really

1124
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: see Michael Wilson being that guy.

1125
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: Did what if they draft Marvin Harrison?

1126
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then if his targets are cut in half,

1127
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: then okay, then you know, I.

1128
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 5: Mean, it doesn't mean he can't make a huge leap

1129
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 5: and have a lot lesser stats.

1130
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: But if Hollywood Brown isn't around, and I don't know

1131
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: the future exactly Rondale Moore how they view using him,

1132
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: It's funny. He easily could get you know, eighty catches

1133
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: as a number two.

1134
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: I had a smile.

1135
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 5: ESPN did a thing on like all the top free

1136
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 5: agents and where they were their best landing spot would be,

1137
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 5: and I found it interesting that almost.

1138
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: I felt like I'd have to go back and look.

1139
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 5: But I felt like seventy percent of them were going

1140
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 5: back to their original team, which I thought was interesting.

1141
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 5: One they had like Hollywood Brown as like the tenth

1142
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: or twelfth top free agent, which I thought was very

1143
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 5: caught my eye. And at least on this list, I'm

1144
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 5: assuming it was the top free agents. And then they

1145
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 5: picked the Titans and I'm thinking Hollywood and DeAndre Hopkins

1146
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 5: back on the together again.

1147
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I mean Italians have a serious need at receiver. Now.

1148
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't even play a game together, if I'm

1149
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 4: remembering correctly.

1150
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 5: No, they did, they did. I don't think they played

1151
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 5: very long together, but I do think.

1152
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: I think I remember Hopkins was it was suspended and

1153
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 4: then Hollywood Brown got hurt.

1154
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: No, it was delayed, but I think they eventually.

1155
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 4: Got back on the field.

1156
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: They never played a game with Kyler together. Yeah, the

1157
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: three of them, Yeah, the three of them, That's what

1158
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: I remember. But yes, that's it.

1159
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: And they would not the three of them would not

1160
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: play together in ten.

1161
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: See if that were happening, now, that would be a headline,

1162
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: that would be that would be a that would change

1163
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. Okay, So two takeaways. Number one yes,

1164
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: Tennessee needs receivers bad and they might overpay him like

1165
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: Jacksonville once upon a time overpaid Christian.

1166
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: Kirk, although that worked out for him.

1167
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 2: For him, it worked out.

1168
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: But I think it worked out for Jacksonville. He's been

1169
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: really good.

1170
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying for the Cardinals, not a

1171
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: great scenario.

1172
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: Get it, I get it.

1173
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: And then the other point I was going to make

1174
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: is if indeed Hollywood Brown is tenth or twelfth in

1175
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: that list, and if they got that list from their

1176
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: sources like NFL, gms and talent evaluators, that's bad for

1177
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: the Cardinals too, because people realized that he had a

1178
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: much better year on film than he did in the

1179
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: box score.

1180
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a real good sense, I would think

1181
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks of whether Hollywood Brown's gonna

1182
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 5: have a market aside from here, because it'll start leaking out.

1183
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 4: When will the Cardinals find out about compensatory picks based

1184
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 4: off free agents that the Cardinals lost last year.

1185
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: They're not getting any none, No, they're they their one

1186
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 5: chance went out the window and yelled a frohold, essentially

1187
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 5: became the starter and played.

1188
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: All the time.

1189
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 5: Gotcha so they had they had a chance to maybe

1190
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 5: get a fourth because of Zach Allen, but that was

1191
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: lost when Yelled have played so much. So they're the

1192
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: person that I trust that forecasts these things that usually

1193
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 5: comes out and it used to come out during the

1194
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 5: combine and now comes out sometime closer to the draft

1195
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 5: or later on. But the forecast is that they're they're

1196
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: not in a position to get any compics.

1197
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: So last topic, we talked about the rookies, we talked

1198
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: about the GM. Let's talk about the head coach who's

1199
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: a year under the job, correct a year plus? What

1200
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: is better under Jonathan Gannon? What is still a work

1201
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: in progress if he's making his to do list and

1202
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: checking it twice. If you're the head coach, what still

1203
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: needs work? What do you think that this offseason leading

1204
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: up to training camp between now in week one, what

1205
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: is still a work in progress? And what have been

1206
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: your biggest takeaways in terms of the biggest improvements under

1207
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: Jonathan Cannon.

1208
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: Biggest improvements still need to be made is stopping the

1209
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: run on defense? Is if we're talking about things on

1210
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: the field, that Cardinals were bottom tier when it came

1211
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: to stopping the run. Yes, dealing with a handful of

1212
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 4: injuries along that defensive line, and obviously if you can't

1213
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: stop the run and they're gonna keep running, right, I

1214
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 4: mean just the defense as a whole of not having

1215
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: the strongest secondary. When you're looking at the cornerbacks, you

1216
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 4: didn't have a consistent pass rush, but it was really

1217
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 4: their inability to stop the run on a consistent basis

1218
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 4: that allowed opponents to control the game. When we're talking

1219
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: about things that I think are improvements accountability culture around

1220
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: the building, I know that as fans or listeners that

1221
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: can be hard maybe to grasp of. We might not

1222
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 4: as three of us, for example, might not be able

1223
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: to do justice of at least the difference we see

1224
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: being in this building and interacting with players and coaches,

1225
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 4: whether that is through interactions passing them in the hallways,

1226
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: or media availability, press conferences, locker room scrums, whatever that

1227
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 4: might be. I wish I could properly, I guess describe

1228
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 4: it as you can truly feel the difference in the

1229
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 4: air of the accountability and really putting the team first

1230
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 4: and having that new mindset and that mentality. I think

1231
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 4: that was shown with the effort and the fight that

1232
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 4: this team had in years past. We talked about how

1233
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: many times we saw this Cardinals team come out and

1234
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: have slow starts, and you're wondering, mentally, what is happening

1235
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: during the week, what is happening pregame that it doesn't

1236
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 4: seem like players and coaches are on the same page

1237
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: or maybe locked in, and we didn't have those discussions

1238
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: this year. I think a lot of that, yes, stems

1239
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 4: from ownership and from the front office, but really from

1240
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon and what he is instilling, and his coaches

1241
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 4: and his players, And I think that was the greatest improvement.

1242
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 5: That obviously is a huge one to me. I don't

1243
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 5: disagree with you. I'm going to get a little bit

1244
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 5: more specific with a couple of those. I would think,

1245
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 5: to me, the biggest thing that needs to be helped

1246
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 5: is the defense, and obviously Danny touched on a lot

1247
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 5: of those reasons. I saw a tweet over the weekend

1248
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 5: that said that the Cardinals had the lead in ten games.

1249
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: In which they lost.

1250
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 5: Now being up seven to nothing or three nothing, which counts,

1251
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 5: that's not much of a lead. But I know that

1252
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon wants to get to a point where this

1253
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 5: team finishes better now they need to get better players

1254
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 5: and some of what we talk about isn't quite Frankly

1255
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: and Jonathan Gannon's control. You can only do so much

1256
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 5: with the players that you are given. And I still

1257
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 5: think this roster needs a lot of help. But I

1258
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 5: think the ability to finish consistently, and that to me,

1259
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 5: starts with the defense, because you've got to make sure

1260
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 5: the other team can't just go down and get points

1261
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 5: on you when they want. I'm gonna really specifically on

1262
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 5: what I really love because I love all the culture stuff,

1263
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 5: which obviously Danny just touched on the rehab of the

1264
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 5: relationship between the coaching staff and Kyler Murray and the

1265
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 5: relationship that he's developed with a quarterback. Where this team

1266
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 5: is now to where they were eighteen months ago with

1267
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray, I do think there is good reason to

1268
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 5: think he can be your franchise quarterback. I do think

1269
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 5: they're making the right decision right now to proceed with

1270
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray as a franchise quarterback. And I don't want

1271
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 5: to take away from what Kyler has brought to the table.

1272
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 5: I think he has made a legitimate effort to make

1273
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 5: sure that this is good too, and I think the

1274
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: injury played into that, and growing up and all those

1275
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 5: things has helped it. But I think Jonathan Gannon came

1276
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 5: into this situation knowing that some of that needed to

1277
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 5: be repaired, and he really went out of his way

1278
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 5: to connect with Kyler Murray. And I think he's done it,

1279
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 5: and I think that that's only going to help this team,

1280
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 5: and I think, to me, that's one of the biggest

1281
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 5: things that's happened.

1282
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: It's a great observation. I'm Kyler because I firmly believe

1283
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: in hindsight that this was a proved season for Kyler

1284
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: Murray with this set of decision makers, and he was

1285
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: quick to realize, wait a minute, there are him with

1286
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: two first round picks, and at the beginning of the

1287
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: season it was easily both could have been top five picks,

1288
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: and it's a loaded quarterback class. And so I think

1289
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: that instilled a certain sense of urgency, and it felt

1290
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: like he had to prove himself and then guess what

1291
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: he had to prove himself in their system, being under center,

1292
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: running a lot of different schemes than he'd ever run

1293
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 2: in his life, and if nothing else, he had to

1294
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: show he was willing to adapt and embrace that change

1295
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: in the new scheme, and then those last three games

1296
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: when he did excel and he found out, Wow, this

1297
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: is what a running game, a top five running game,

1298
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: can do for a quarterback. This is what happens when

1299
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm under center and I have the front seven guessing

1300
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: nearly as predictable. And then I think they wanted to

1301
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: to gauge his willingness to change some of his ways

1302
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: and accept the coaching that they provided. So that's that's

1303
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: astudent observation. And I echo a lot of what you said,

1304
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: Danny about, you know, the culture and the accountability. There's

1305
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. I'm also really curious if they

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Speaker 2: were even running the schemes they wanted to run yet,

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Speaker 2: because they were so undermanned on defense. Is that really

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Speaker 2: the Jonathan Gannon Nick Rolis scheme that they wanted to run,

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Speaker 2: or is that what they had to run based on

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Speaker 2: the personnel.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's a great point because, and I've heard

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Speaker 5: you make this point before again, when they came in,

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Speaker 5: they didn't know what they had, and they want to

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Speaker 5: they want to run what the personnel is. And it'll

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Speaker 5: be fascinating to see how this evolves and not only.

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Speaker 4: That, the injuries, not just what the D line, I

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Speaker 4: mean your linebackers. You released Marco Wilson, who was your

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Speaker 4: starting quarterback. You had Keetra Clark starting, and he wasn't

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Speaker 4: starting the second half of the season. There was a

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Speaker 4: lot of change for numerous reasons that they were having

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Speaker 4: to adjust to. So that's a great point, Paul.

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Speaker 2: And then there was that cryptic comment from Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 2: in the final press meeting where he said, we're tearing

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Speaker 2: the offense down and we're starting from scratch. And I

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Speaker 2: tried to press him on that a little bit of

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Speaker 2: the fan event didn't get anywhere with it, but it is,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not sure how much of that was

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Speaker 2: sort of okay, you know, he was kind of messing

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Speaker 2: with the media a little bit. How much of it was, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we never truly got to install what we wanted to install,

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Speaker 2: because don't forget, we didn't have our franchise quarterback the

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Speaker 2: entirety of the off season. I think, ye I know,

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Speaker 2: I have, I know. I dismissed that as how significant

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Speaker 2: that challenge must have been as a brand new coaching

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Speaker 2: staff with a brand new scheme, and you can't even

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Speaker 2: install it with you with your first string quarterback and

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Speaker 2: then you have to bring him in mid season and

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Speaker 2: he couldn't get any real reps. So what sort of

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Speaker 2: ceiling did that put on your scheme? And what sort

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Speaker 2: of off season you know, can they have and are they capable? Now?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean again, if you had Colt McCoy through

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Speaker 4: your off season and then you bring in Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 4: and then you have to ride with klaytune for a week.

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Speaker 2: Without a single precious you know. In fact, we asked

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Speaker 2: that of Drew Stanton recently on the Red Sea Report

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Speaker 2: and he was adamant the off season is everything when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the quarterback and his receivers, and Kyler

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Speaker 2: had none of that. And so yes, for all those reasons,

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Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued about year two and because and because

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Speaker 2: the two of you are going to the Combine, We're

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Speaker 2: expecting some next level information from Indianapolis come the next

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Speaker 2: edition of Cardinals Underground. I mean, you guys, what's the

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Speaker 2: early forecast in the not the weather forecast, but you

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Speaker 2: know what, what are you going to be able to

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Speaker 2: glean by the next episode of Cardinals Underground? What are

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Speaker 2: the first two days all about at the combine.

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Speaker 4: Hearing from general manager Money oss Fort and head coach

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon at the podium will be huge.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do they do breakout sessions anymore after a podium

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Speaker 2: while they meet with the media.

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Speaker 4: And depends on the organization. Depends on the organization.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see, all right.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be Yeah, we're gonna have Cardinals Undergrounddre and

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Speaker 4: I are going to be coming from joining Paul from Indy.

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Speaker 4: Craig Greelou's joining us this year, So we're going to

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Speaker 4: have a couple of cover two episodes. And I know,

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Speaker 4: I know we already have a few booked of some

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Speaker 4: big name analysts to talk about draft prospects in.

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Speaker 5: The card names besides Danny of course.

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Speaker 4: So I think it'll be a lot of good content.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Griola on the Road is said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought that was prohibited years ago for reasons.

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Speaker 4: First, for the first time he actually cares about the weather.

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Speaker 4: He's you know, he's not just sarcastically. Bring that up

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Speaker 4: to me and you, Paul, he actually cares about the

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Speaker 4: weather now in a cold place. I'll just right, and

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Speaker 4: how about.

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Speaker 2: That solid point, right, because he's gonna be out on

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Speaker 2: the mean streets. You know. Forget the word, because the

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Speaker 2: word for greelu is curfew. I urge you guys to

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Speaker 2: get a curfew in place, and that'll do it for

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