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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Katie, how do you like your gelato? Definitely with

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<v Speaker 1>two scoops of basically any flavor. So it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>quantity for you, that right, It's all about gelato. What's

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<v Speaker 1>to complain about? All right? So is that also true

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<v Speaker 1>for things out in space? Bigger is always better? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the sun is gigantic, and I only have good things

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<v Speaker 1>to say about that. So you know, all right, you

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<v Speaker 1>should leave a five star review for our star? What

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<v Speaker 1>about things like comets? Is bigger always better there? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if they're made out of ice cream? So a

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<v Speaker 1>big old comet streaking above our sky leaving a trail

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<v Speaker 1>of sprinkles? Who doesn't want that? Well? What if it's

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<v Speaker 1>sprinkling its way towards the earth like impact style? Well

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<v Speaker 1>then I can order a triple gelato with no consequences. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist and a professor at

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<v Speaker 1>U C Irvine, and I am Katie, and I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>host of the podcast Creature Feature. And I enjoy ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream as much as I enjoy physics, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot but not too much moderation in all things? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the vibe I'm getting? That's probably right? In both cases,

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<v Speaker 1>if I have too much physics at once, I also

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<v Speaker 1>get a brain freeze. Or did you mean like after

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<v Speaker 1>a nice large meal you need a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>physics to sort of like balance out the palette. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what digestion is, right, Absolutely well, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast Daniel and Jorge explain the universe in

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<v Speaker 1>which we try to digest the entire universe. We serve

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<v Speaker 1>it up on a platter d you and give it

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<v Speaker 1>to you in tiny little spoonfuls, hoping that helps you

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<v Speaker 1>understand the mysteries of black holes, the incredible froth and

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<v Speaker 1>quantum nature of reality, the mysteries, the puzzles, the insides,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. We sprinkle delicious treats on top and

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<v Speaker 1>serve it up to you. It's the Moves Bouge of

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<v Speaker 1>particle physics. My typical co host and friend, Jorge Champ

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<v Speaker 1>can't be here today, so as usual we are joined

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<v Speaker 1>by the wonderful Katie. Katie, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us again today. Yeah, happy to be here again.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to point out Jorge and I have never been

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<v Speaker 1>seen together in the same room. Raises some questions, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean that Jorge transforms into you or you

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<v Speaker 1>transform into Jorge. At this point, who can say who

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<v Speaker 1>is who Isn't that the lesson of jack Bile and

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<v Speaker 1>Hide exactly the quantum mechanical interpretation of modern literature. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really the jackal Hide wave function, that's right, got to

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<v Speaker 1>collapse the wave form. Well, we are happy to talk

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<v Speaker 1>physics with either Katie or Jorge, so thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we nibble on our gelato, we ponder the

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries of the universe, but we also ponder the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of our own neighborhood. You might think that astronomers have

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<v Speaker 1>our backyard the Solar system, mostly figured out, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the open questions in physics revolve around things very very

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<v Speaker 1>far away and far in the future and far back

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<v Speaker 1>in time. But you might be surprised to learn that

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<v Speaker 1>our own neighborhood remains something of a mystery to us. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't seem right, because my understanding as we've already

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<v Speaker 1>got real estate on Mars and have every crevice, every

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<v Speaker 1>crater of the Moon mapped out, So how can there

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<v Speaker 1>be any mysteries left here in our solar system? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably true that some entrepreneur has planned the first

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<v Speaker 1>gelato stand on Mars that's pretty close to Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Solar System is actually really really vast.

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<v Speaker 1>The Earth is tucked in really tightly, very close to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, but outpassed Jupiter and outpassed the icy planets.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of mysterious stuff going on. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>furthest we've ever sent any of our instruments out into space.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't gotten past our own Solar System. We have

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<v Speaker 1>sent some probs really deep into space, just like launch

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<v Speaker 1>them out there and see how long they last. And

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's the furthest out the object the humans

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<v Speaker 1>have built that has gone the deepest into space is

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<v Speaker 1>Voyager one. But even Voyager one hasn't officially left the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System yet. In around three hundred years, it might

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<v Speaker 1>reach the outskirts of the Solar System, but unfortunately it's

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<v Speaker 1>power runs out in five so by the time it

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<v Speaker 1>gets there, it'll just be a dead lump. Well so

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<v Speaker 1>we so, you know, you'll be fifty gelato by that point. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I can only hope. So there could be some space

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<v Speaker 1>gopers in our space backyard and we wouldn't even know it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. There are mysteries right here in our own backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>There are things we do not understand. One way to

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<v Speaker 1>explore the mist to send probes deep into the outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of the Solar System. But that's pretty slow. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes years for things to get out there because

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<v Speaker 1>it's so day far away. You know, it takes months

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<v Speaker 1>to get to Venus or Mars, but to get out

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<v Speaker 1>to Pluto can take a decade. To get further out

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the farthest reaches of the Solar System to

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<v Speaker 1>explore its fringes takes even longer. But there's another way

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<v Speaker 1>to study our deep, mysterious backyard, and that's to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for it to come to us. Because sometimes things out

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<v Speaker 1>from the outskirts do fall into the Solar System, and

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<v Speaker 1>these things are called comets. They accelerate to incredible speeds

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<v Speaker 1>as they whip around the Sun and then go back

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<v Speaker 1>to where they came from. So how do comets find us?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they see some kind of flyer way out in

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<v Speaker 1>space It at the Earth sale about two point five

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<v Speaker 1>light years away? Is it just random chance? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>drawn into our Solar system? They hang out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the deep reaches of the Solar System, and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly sure what sometimes triggers them to fall in. It

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<v Speaker 1>might be the passing of a nearby star, or the

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<v Speaker 1>gravitational tug of the Milky Way, or something else. Entirely,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even really understand what's going on out there

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<v Speaker 1>and what is out there waiting to maybe fall into

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System. For those of you who have seen

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<v Speaker 1>don't look up and worry about things hitting the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to worry too much about things like asteroids,

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<v Speaker 1>those rocks that are orbiting the inner Solar system. But

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<v Speaker 1>comets are much more dangerous because they can be hard

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<v Speaker 1>to predict, and they're moving much more quickly when they

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<v Speaker 1>do enter the Solar System. I watched Don't Look Up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find it interesting because I think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a big divide in terms of how realistic people find

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<v Speaker 1>it in Those who are either climate scientists or even

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<v Speaker 1>in any related science find it very realistic, whereas other

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<v Speaker 1>people think, oh, this this is just two on the nose,

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<v Speaker 1>it's too outrageous. You mean, like the social response to

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific warning, or you mean the science itself, the

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<v Speaker 1>social response to the scientific warning that's in the movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty sobering. Actually, I think that was mostly

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<v Speaker 1>the point of the movie. The actual science a bit

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<v Speaker 1>where they're like at the white board figuring out the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory of the comment. That was like the first two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of the movie. After that, there was a great

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<v Speaker 1>much science, But that part was pretty accurate. You know though,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that they had to find somebody to play

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<v Speaker 1>a math double for Leonardo DiCaprio. When they zoom in

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<v Speaker 1>on the whiteboard, that's not actually his hand doing those calculations,

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<v Speaker 1>which means there's a whole other career. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>realize I was missing out on, you know, Hollywood math double.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think you would be in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood's math double. I'd like to be Jeff Goldblum's math double.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do his math. Jeff, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>please hooking me up. I don't want you to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>yourself doing maths, so please let me take the fall

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<v Speaker 1>for you. But speaking of taking the falls, some of

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<v Speaker 1>these comets that enter the Solar System are pretty small.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just a few kilometers wide. But there's some been

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<v Speaker 1>some recent discoveries that are stretching people's brains about how

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<v Speaker 1>big a comet can be. So you're saying that asteroids

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<v Speaker 1>are not typically that dangerous whereas comets are. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>that is that base stun the stuff that they're made

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<v Speaker 1>out of, or their behaviors. It's mostly based on our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to see them. Commets orbit in the Inner Solar System,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we can point our telescopes and we can

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<v Speaker 1>watch them, and we can see where they're going, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are not worried about them because we know where

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<v Speaker 1>basically all the big ones are. They reflect enough sunlight

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<v Speaker 1>for us to track them and predict their path for

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred years. Once it astronomer gets like four

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<v Speaker 1>or five six measurements of the motion of an object,

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<v Speaker 1>they can pretty well predict its path. But comets have

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<v Speaker 1>very long periods. Some of these things have like hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>or thousands of years long period, which means the first

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<v Speaker 1>time we see it might be when it's headed towards

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, which is why you might not get a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of warning. And they're going much much faster

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<v Speaker 1>because they're falling in from much further away. And those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who watch these guys might remember that this

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<v Speaker 1>happened in This is not just fiction. In comment entered

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System and then smacked right into Jupiter. It

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<v Speaker 1>was spectacular. You could see it with your own telescope

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<v Speaker 1>in your own backyard, earth size fireballs rising from the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of Jupiter. It was like astronomical schadenfreud. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty awesome, but we were glad it wasn't hitting us.

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<v Speaker 1>Those poor Jupidtonians Jupidonians having to have that name. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have to ask or hey, what he would prefer

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<v Speaker 1>as a name of that. It's definitely not jupiter Lyns.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be pretty awkward Jupeians. Maybe a much bit Cans,

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<v Speaker 1>my fellow Jupidicns. We can't necessarily know when a comment

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<v Speaker 1>is coming, but should we really be that worried? Our

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is pretty hot, so it seems like it could

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<v Speaker 1>melt a comment, right. Our atmosphere is pretty hot, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can melt a comment if it wasn't too big.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember the impactory that took out the dinosaurs million

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<v Speaker 1>years ago was only a few kilometers wide, So anything

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than that is going to make it to the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the Earth and deposit a lot of kinetic energy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why it's really important to think about

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<v Speaker 1>questions like, well, how big can a comment get? And

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<v Speaker 1>so today in the podcast will be asking that exact question,

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<v Speaker 1>how big can a comment get? Um Empire State building size?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's my guest. You just like the mental visual

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<v Speaker 1>of the Empire state building crashing into the earth. Somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>got to do that in Hollywood. Maybe blue whale size,

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<v Speaker 1>because I also like the image of a blue whale

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<v Speaker 1>crashing in Earth. Man talk about a belly flop, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a blue whale coming from space and hitting the ocean. Ouch,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like it hurts well as usual. I was

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<v Speaker 1>curious what people out there in the Internet thought about

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<v Speaker 1>this question. Have people thought about how big a commt is?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have any idea how large these snowballs from

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<v Speaker 1>the far reaches of space can be? So I asked

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<v Speaker 1>folks to volunteer to answer random physics questions to contribute

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. And if you would like to participate, lease,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be shy. You are very very welcome. No expertise

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<v Speaker 1>is required. Just email me two questions at Daniel and

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<v Speaker 1>Jorge dot com. So before you listen to these answers,

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<v Speaker 1>think to yourself, how big do you think a comet

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<v Speaker 1>can get here's what people had to say, pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it starts getting into like whether you classify

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<v Speaker 1>as common or a planet. I think comments can get

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<v Speaker 1>as big as some of the largest planets out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if something happens where planet gets out of

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<v Speaker 1>orbit or start pades away, um, then those planets could

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<v Speaker 1>then become free. Practically, I never thought that comments could

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<v Speaker 1>or like pigeonholed into a certain size. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it could just be a stray ice ball. But size

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really matter for comments. Well, based purely on imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>I think comments can get as big as our moon.

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<v Speaker 1>I ventured to guess comments can become as large as

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<v Speaker 1>they can until they are too large to be called commets.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I know, commets are this frozen stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>dust and solids and gases. So it depends on what

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<v Speaker 1>the commet has in it, because most of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>gets melted away as it enters and becomes warmer and hotter.

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<v Speaker 1>What would prevent a comment from getting too big? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the two things that I can think of our

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<v Speaker 1>If it's too big, it could break up easily, and

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<v Speaker 1>hence you won't have one comment, you'll have multiple comments,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's related to the structure of it. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that if you have something that's very big,

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<v Speaker 1>it's likely not made out of a large percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>ice crystals, is probably going to be highly metallic and

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<v Speaker 1>won't develop the tails of the comments. So that still

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't answer the question of how big can the comment get.

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess I don't know, three or four or

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<v Speaker 1>bus sizes. I don't know. I would imagine it will

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<v Speaker 1>get as big as it can without the dust squishing it,

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<v Speaker 1>because aren't commits quite low density. I suppose the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>might turn it into an asteroid. I'm not sure about

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<v Speaker 1>what the definitions are there, but I hope that's helped

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<v Speaker 1>in some way. That's a good question. I imagine they

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<v Speaker 1>could get bigger than an asteroid, depending on how much

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<v Speaker 1>gravity maybe they had when they were out far far

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<v Speaker 1>far in the far reaches of the solar systems or

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<v Speaker 1>the orc clouds, or wherever they get all their ice from. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're just a particularly big chunk that gathered a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot and solidified before it came rushing in towards

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<v Speaker 1>the center of our solar system. All right, so nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else that empire states building or whale sized. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>am interested in the question of when does it become

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<v Speaker 1>a planet. Is the only thing separating something like a

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<v Speaker 1>comet and a planet just its signs? Or is there

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<v Speaker 1>some other property to a comet that makes it not

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<v Speaker 1>a planet? Oh man, this is such a tangle of names.

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<v Speaker 1>The astronomers have made such a mess of what they

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<v Speaker 1>call things. Is it a centaur, is it a trans

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<v Speaker 1>Newtonian object? It is a minor planet. There are such

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous and sometimes conflicting rules about these things. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually make a nice little line between what's

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<v Speaker 1>a comet and what's not. What you call a comet

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<v Speaker 1>is something that has an atmosphere because the Sun is

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<v Speaker 1>heating it up and it's out gassing. So imagine some

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<v Speaker 1>icy ball thousands of au away from the Sun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just going to be sitting there frozen. But if it

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<v Speaker 1>falls in towards the Solar System and the Sun starts

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<v Speaker 1>to heat it up, then some of those ices are

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<v Speaker 1>going to turn into gas, and they're going to give

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<v Speaker 1>that comet a little atmosphere, which they call a co

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<v Speaker 1>and it might even give it a little tail if

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<v Speaker 1>some of it is blown off behind it. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what distinguishes an asteroid from a comet or a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>or even a minor planet, or a or trans neptunity sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>trans Neptunian objects, not trans Newtonian. Nobody launched isamutany into

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<v Speaker 1>outer space yet they should have, though, that would teach

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<v Speaker 1>him a thing or two about gravity. So if these

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<v Speaker 1>comets have atmospheres, could this mean that some form of

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<v Speaker 1>life could conceivably breathe it in or is it just

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<v Speaker 1>inherently unfriendly towards life? Oh, I was hoping you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to go there, the biologist, and you can't resist

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<v Speaker 1>asking that question. Now, of course, we can never say never,

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<v Speaker 1>because life is weird and could take all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>strange forms. But these would be very short lived atmospheres.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that doesn't exist when it's out there,

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<v Speaker 1>deep into space. It only appears when the comet is

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<v Speaker 1>falling towards the Sun and it's not gravitationally bound like

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<v Speaker 1>these things are not big enough to have an atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason an asteroid doesn't have an atmosphere is that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have enough gravity to hold onto it. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon doesn't have enough gravity to hold onto it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you like pumped an atmosphere onto the moon. We all

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<v Speaker 1>just drift away in a few dozen years or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred. So a commet, it's atmosphere sort of transient.

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<v Speaker 1>It keeps losing it and then it keeps replenishing it

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<v Speaker 1>by outgassing it. So it'd be pretty hard situation, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for life to form. So you'd basically just get

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<v Speaker 1>a few puffs of atmosphere as life, but you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have millions of years to evolve. On this comment more

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<v Speaker 1>of a vape situation. If you're a life form, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're something really weird form of life, which can

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<v Speaker 1>like go into stasis for a long long time and

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<v Speaker 1>then wake up again, like those insects that wake up

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<v Speaker 1>every seventeen years and like take a few breaths, live

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<v Speaker 1>a very short life as the common is diving towards

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, and then go back to sleep. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a life form already out in space that

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<v Speaker 1>can go into stays us and can survive the rigors

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<v Speaker 1>of the vacuum of space at least for short periods

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<v Speaker 1>of time, and those are tartar grades. So who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some of those tartar grades we accidentally dropped on

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<v Speaker 1>the moon, will someday find their way to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ride a comet for a little while. You think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna just like jump off the moon because there's

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<v Speaker 1>such a little gravity there, land on a comet and

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<v Speaker 1>ride it around the Solar system. That sounds pretty awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>like doctor Strange love Tartar Grade, little tiny silver surfers. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a great science fiction novel. So what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about today are these comets, and these comments

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<v Speaker 1>are again distinguished from asteroids because they have a coma

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<v Speaker 1>and they can have a tail. A tail is not

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<v Speaker 1>actually necessary for it to be a comet. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people think about comments. They think about tails because

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<v Speaker 1>when you look up in the sky, that's how a

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<v Speaker 1>comet looks different from just like a star or something

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<v Speaker 1>else shiny. Technically, though, astronom will call it a comet

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<v Speaker 1>even if it doesn't yet have a tail, like before

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<v Speaker 1>it's really fallen into the inner Solar system, it can

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<v Speaker 1>still just have a coma. The other weird thing about

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<v Speaker 1>comets is that they don't always just have one tail.

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<v Speaker 1>They can have two different tails simultaneously, so just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a split stream going on or these tails made

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<v Speaker 1>out of different stuff, so comments on that, like these

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<v Speaker 1>dirty snowballs, and some of the stuff when he gets

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<v Speaker 1>heated up, turns into gas and then the sun blows

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<v Speaker 1>that away. So one of the tails of a comet

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<v Speaker 1>is a gas tail, and that's pointing away from the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people think like the comets tail is

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<v Speaker 1>pointing behind it, sort of like a rocket's exhaust or

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<v Speaker 1>like you know those wiggle motions in a cartoon. That

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<v Speaker 1>means that something is moving fast, but it's actually pointing

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<v Speaker 1>away from the sun, like the sun is blowing gas

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<v Speaker 1>away from it. So that's the gas tail. The other

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<v Speaker 1>tail is typically made out of dust to like little

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<v Speaker 1>bits of rock or whatever from the core of a comet,

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<v Speaker 1>the non ice parts, and those are a little heavier

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't get blown by the solar wind and

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<v Speaker 1>they do actually follow more like the trajectory of the comet.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have one tail that's sort of flying out

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<v Speaker 1>behind the comet along its path and the other one

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<v Speaker 1>that's getting blown away by the sun. And these are

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<v Speaker 1>not always pointed in the same direction. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>really lucky, you can see a comet with both of

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<v Speaker 1>these tails. Simultaneously, it looks pretty spectacular. So for thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of a comet like a runway model, the gas tail

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<v Speaker 1>is its hair getting blown out of its face by

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<v Speaker 1>some conveniently placed fans, and the dust tail is like

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<v Speaker 1>it's cloak, kind of wafting behind it as it struts

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<v Speaker 1>down the runway, hopefully not towards Earth exactly. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you are running with a tail wind right when the

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<v Speaker 1>comet comes around the Sun and it's now going back

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<v Speaker 1>into the outer Solar System, then its tail is pointing

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction it's moving. It's like an anti tail

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<v Speaker 1>because the Sun is now behind it, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>blowing gas in the direction the comet is moving. So

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<v Speaker 1>the tail isn't always even behind the comet. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of comment. So if we see a giant comet

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<v Speaker 1>that has a tail pointed in our direction, that does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean we're not in danger, because it could be

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<v Speaker 1>coming right this way. That's right. You need me at

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<v Speaker 1>the white board or somebody else doing those calculations before

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<v Speaker 1>you know whether or not we should abandon the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And these comments come into different groups. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are short period comets which come from the Piper Belt.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a region of just like icy stuff. Planetism

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<v Speaker 1>as just past Neptune, you know, past Neptune. This like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole, big, messy pile of stuff. That's why people

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<v Speaker 1>argue about whether Pluto should be a planet, because Pluto

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<v Speaker 1>is the first thing we saw out there that was

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<v Speaker 1>about that size, and then we discovered, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of these like frozen balls out there.

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<v Speaker 1>There are about Pluto size. We call Pluto a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to call them all planets. So like after Neptune,

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<v Speaker 1>the solar systems basically just a big mess. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of planetary gate keeping. Just because Pluto's a

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<v Speaker 1>mess doesn't mean it shouldn't be a planet. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just that Pluto is a mess. It's Pluto, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like seventeen thousand friends are all a mess, And do

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<v Speaker 1>you want a solar system with seventeen thousand planets in it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I guess it just depends on way to

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<v Speaker 1>think of a solar system. But you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>these arguments are just about names gues. It depends on

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<v Speaker 1>if they're bringing pizza money or if they're just coming

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<v Speaker 1>there for the free food. That's right. Anybody who brings

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<v Speaker 1>gelato is welcome. But some of these little icy balls

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<v Speaker 1>out there and the Kuiper Belt can get nudged and

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<v Speaker 1>fall into the Solar System. And these are called short

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<v Speaker 1>period comets, meaning that they take months or years to

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<v Speaker 1>go around the Solar System. But there's another group, these

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<v Speaker 1>long period comets that come from another source that much

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<v Speaker 1>further out passed even the Kuiper Belt way past Pluto,

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<v Speaker 1>many many, many thousands and millions of kilometers, and that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from this blob called the Oort Cloud, which is

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<v Speaker 1>this theoretical cloud of icy many planets. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>theoretical because we're pretty sure it's there, but we've never

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<v Speaker 1>actually seen it, so we only know about it's possible

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<v Speaker 1>existence based on the garbage that it throws our way exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't otherwise explain where these comments come from. And

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<v Speaker 1>so based on these comments about fifty years ago, Yon

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<v Speaker 1>Ord suggested maybe there's this huge group of icy balls

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<v Speaker 1>out there and just a tiny fraction them are occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>falling towards the Earth. So I want to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more about the Ord Cloud and what it contains

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<v Speaker 1>and the size of the comets that might be lurking

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<v Speaker 1>in there. But first, let's take a quick break. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back and we're talking about what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the messy outer reaches of the Solar system. Well passed Pluto,

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<v Speaker 1>well passed, all of the trans Neptunian objects, well passed

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<v Speaker 1>everything that might be called a planet, deep deep, deep

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<v Speaker 1>out there, more like a thousand or two thousand astronaut

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<v Speaker 1>coomical units past the Sun. There is this graveyard of

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<v Speaker 1>icy objects which might form future comments. So we only

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<v Speaker 1>know about this based on this sort of space junk

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<v Speaker 1>that comes our way. We've never actually seen the cloud

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<v Speaker 1>itself exactly, and that's because it's so far away. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The an astronomical unit is the distance between the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>and the Earth, and the orc cloud starts like thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of astronomical units, maybe up to fifty thousand astronomical units

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<v Speaker 1>from the Sun. We're talking like one to two light

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<v Speaker 1>years away. And it's really hard to see these objects

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<v Speaker 1>when they're so far away because they don't reflect a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of sun because not much sun gets there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're so small that not much of their light

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to us. You know, they're not glowing on

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<v Speaker 1>their own like stars. We can only see them if

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<v Speaker 1>the light reflects it just the right angle and there's

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<v Speaker 1>enough of it. So we've never seen it directly. We've

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<v Speaker 1>only seen the ones that are falling towards the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and from that we're trying to guess what's out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if you couldn't see clouds, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>measure rain, and you're wondering, like, what's up there in

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. Maybe there are these huge reservoirs of water

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<v Speaker 1>floating above us. Or it's like when you can't see

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<v Speaker 1>a squirrel in a tree, but you know it must

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<v Speaker 1>be there because you keep getting little pieces of acorn

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<v Speaker 1>shell showering down on your head. Yeah, exactly. And the

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<v Speaker 1>range of speculation for like how much stuff is out

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<v Speaker 1>there is enormous. It could be that there are billions

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<v Speaker 1>of icy objects out there. It could be that there

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<v Speaker 1>are trillions of icy objects out there. It all depends

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<v Speaker 1>on also, like how big they are, Like there could

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<v Speaker 1>be billions of things like twenty kilometers wide or larger,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you get too smaller and smaller objects like

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<v Speaker 1>just kilometer or so, there could be even trillions out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a lot of stuff that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>They speculate that if you add up all of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like five to ten times the mass of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a small amount of basic material that's

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<v Speaker 1>orbiting out there in the distance waiting for its trip

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<v Speaker 1>around the Sun. So how much can we determine just

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>based on the sort of fall off that happens from

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>this proposed or cloud, like do we know the shape

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of it or can we just kind of basically guess, well,

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it's there and maybe it's big. A lot of it

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>is guesswork based on modeling. We try to think about

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>how the Solar system formed, how stuff would end up,

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>what's likely to be out there, and that really informs

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of our understanding of the Solar system for

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>things that we cannot see. And that doesn't mean that

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.439
<v Speaker 1>it's bolognay, it's not just something we're making up. You know,

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>this is a really valuable part of how we do sciences.

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 1>We try to tell a complete holistic story of the

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Solar system and say, if this is true and that

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>is true, what does that mean about the early times

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>or the late times or what's going on. It's really

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 1>valuable and you know, you can take the measurements that

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>we have and you try to make them consistent with

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that story. And so they think about this huge cloud

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>out of gas and dust and ice crystals that helped

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>form the Solar System. The reason we talk about ice

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>in the far reaches of the Solar System is because

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>it's cold out there and ice melts, and any water

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that was closer before the snow line they call it

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>would have been liquid or vapor, and so it wouldn't

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>form these icy objects. So we think, based on these models,

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that the Orc Cloud has sort of two different shapes.

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That's like an inner or cloud that's sort of like

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.439
<v Speaker 1>a doughnut sort of flat, like the rest of the

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Solar System. And this might be from like a few

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand a U out to like twenty thousand a U.

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>And then there might be like a larger spherical or

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.439
<v Speaker 1>cloud surrounding the entire Solar System, like a huge ball

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that goes out to like fifty thousand a U or

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>even further. And that's sort of like at the edge

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 1>of the interstellar distance. You know, other stars are like

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>a few light years away. So now we're talking about

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>like the very edges of our little corner of space

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>bumping up against other stars, edges of their space, and

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>so may be this sort cloud and these big icy

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>for us to donuts can only exist between solar systems

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.679
<v Speaker 1>because otherwise they get too warm or they get pulled

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>in and then become a comet that eventually melts or

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>collides with something. Exactly in order to be an ice blob,

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.239
<v Speaker 1>you have to be far away from the star, and

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that's why Earth, for example, is not an ice ball.

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just too warm and mercury and venus, and that's

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 1>why the icy planets are far away from the Sun.

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>And as you say, these things are too far away

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to get melted. So that's where you go to find

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 1>gelato on your trip between stars. I'm glad I don't

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>have to walk as far here for gelato, but it

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>would still be worth it. Right, Gelato is just that good.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's really fascinating to me because it shows you

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>something of the tug of war between solar systems. We

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>tend to think of stars as like totally separate. We

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>have our solar system, they got their solar system, and

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe very rarely two stars will come near each other

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and there'll be chaos. But in reality, there's like a

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>constant tug of war at the boundaries between the Solar system.

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Like imagine you're halfway between two stars and you're feeling

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>gentle gravity from both stars, and so you're being tugged

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>one way, tugged another way, And that's these stars are

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>moving relative to each other, that gravity is changing. So

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe you get like bumped from one solar system to another,

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>which means that, like some parts of our Worth Cloud

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 1>might not be from our Solar system. They might have

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like started out in another solar system and then got

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 1>past two hours, maybe several times. Maybe they're like hopscotching

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>from solar system to solar system. Could that be one

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>reason that our solar system is able to host our

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>comfy little planet Earth without having gotten pummeled by too

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>many comments? Could there be a benevolent Solar system out

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>there absorbing or sucking in more comments. I like your

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>optimistic theory of the universe that there's somebody out there

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>looking out for us by eating all the gelato before

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it falls to Earth to kill us. It could be yeah,

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe not intentionally, but just by here a

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>chance a son out, they're kind of preventing more of

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>these frozen ice balls from colliding with our Solar System,

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it could be, or it could be even closer to home.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>A lot of folks think that our gas giants Saturn

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and Jupiter provides something of a gravitational shield against impactors

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in the inner Solar System, and that like a lot

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of the icy balls in the or cloud are there

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>because they got thrown out of the Solar System early

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>on by these gas giants as things were like still

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>coming together, and so now they're like lurking outside waiting

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>for their chance to come back into the light. Well,

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it seems like for some planets that maybe protecting all

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>life on Earth, we should come up with a more

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>flattering name than gas giants. But you know, I guess

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that's it's accurate at least. Well, you know, we did

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>name them after the most important gods, you know, like

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter and Zeus, so that you know, that's pretty flattering. Right,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>there's no planet named Zeus. Zeus is the Greek version

0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter, isn't it right? Yes, that's right, that's right.

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I think z would be a much better name for

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a planet than Jupiter. Right, I'm petitioning that we renamed

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter Zeus because then the people who live on it

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>would be called Zeusians. That rolls off the tongue much nicer,

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and then you can't have that schoolyard chant of girls

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>go to Jupiter to get more stupider. So I'm all

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>for it. Heard that one that's terrible. Well, it goes

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>either way. You can say boys go to Jupiter to

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>get more stupider, girls go to Mars to drive cool cars,

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>or vice versa. But you know, I think we should

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>be breaking those rigid gender roles in terms of planets.

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Totally agree. And so one question about what's out there

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>in the or cloud is just like how did it

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>get formed and what's its composition? But a big and

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>important question, and one that might really affect our future

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>is how big are the things out there? You know,

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the comets that we have seen coming

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>in our Solar System are just a few kilometers wide,

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're big enough to be spectacular. But people wonder, like,

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>are their planet sized objects out there in the or cloud?

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Could one of them fall into the inner Solar System

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and like really do some damage. So if there's an

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>ice ball hang out there that is planet sized, would

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>it be considered a planet before it becomes a comet?

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just considered some kind of ice ball.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that the new definition of planet makes it

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>basically impossible because an object has to like clear its

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>own path, that has to basically have its own unique

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>path through the Solar System to be called a planet.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>But I also think that there are now conflicting definitions

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.719
<v Speaker 1>of what a planet is. But as soon as it

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>falls in towards the Solar System and develops a coma,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>then it's a comet, even if it used to be

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>like the Moon sized or Pluto sized, or even I

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>guess Neptune sized, right, Like one of the listeners was

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>guessing planets that lose their orbits could be comets, Like

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.479
<v Speaker 1>that's really crazy to think about. They would be at

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>least ice planets. So could there be a big ice

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>ball the size of Earth that at some point comes

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>in and smashes into our Solar System? Like? How much

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>sleep should I lose after otarting this podcast? Well, we

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>just don't know, is the thing. It's a mystery to us.

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>One thing we do know is that most of the

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>things that fall in from the or cloud tend to

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>be smaller. But there's now a spectrum and we're seeing

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>larger and larger objects. So the thing that should scare

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you is that as we keep studying, we keep discovering

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>larger and larger objects of the Orc cloud. We'll talk

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>about one particular monster in a minute. So that should

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>terrify you because it might mean that there are really

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>some huge blobs of ice waiting out there. The thing

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that should help you fall asleep, though, is that we

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>do know that there's an inverse relationship between how many

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>there are and their size. Like with everything else, there's

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be lots and lots of dust screens, and

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>then it's wund be fewer things the size of snowball,

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and fewer things the size of a bus, and even

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>fewer things the size of you know, there are ten

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>kilometers across. The interesting thing is we don't know what

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the maximum is like. There might just be one real

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>monster out there. But how big is the biggest monster?

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.959
<v Speaker 1>If you can't see it, if we're too far away

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to be able to see it with any of our

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>monitoring tools from here on Earth or even you know,

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the ones that we send out on the edges of

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>our solar system, how would you be able to guess

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the size of the biggest ice ball. Yeah, you would

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>have to use some models. You'd have to understand how

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>all those ice balls formed. Then you'd have to develop

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a simulation that ran through the formation of the Solar system,

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and you'd look for models that explain what we do see.

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>You know that look at this relationship between size and

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>frequency and correctly predict that, and then you can extrapolate.

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>You could say, well, as they get bigger, if the

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>rate of their occurrence drops by you know, some factor,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>then you could follow that line forward and try to

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>predict like how big theoretically an object could be. But

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of thing that we do all

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the time in astronomy, and then we're surprised, Like we

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>have predictions for how big the largest galactic clusters should be,

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and then we keep finding bigger ones. Were like, well,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I guess something was wrong, but that's just the process

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>of science. And so until we actually see these things,

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>were often not sure about what the upper limits are.

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>So we would have to base it on the sort

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.839
<v Speaker 1>of our existing models and things we can observe and

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of use that to extrapolate what it is. But

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>do we know theoretically if there is a limit to

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>just physically to an ice ball. How big can an

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>object made with a solid core and then sort of

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>an icy exterior get that we know of. I think

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>there are some theoretical limits you good place, Like we

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>know that you could be as big as Neptune or

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Uranus because we see those and those are basically the

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>same thing. A huge balls of ice with a rocky core.

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>If it gets much bigger than that Jupiter size, that

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 1>could still exist. If it gets even bigger than that,

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>if it gets like a hundred times to size of Jubiter,

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>then it would be big enough to ignite fusion in

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>its core and it would start to glow. We would

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely see that. If there was another star out there

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that was actually emitting light, we would see it. So

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the orc cloud is dark, and that in itself puts

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a limit on the biggest thing that could be in there.

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 1>You can't have a glowing star in the word cloud.

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>So like a hundred jupiters is the biggest anything could

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>be theoretically, But that's really big, like Jupiter itself is

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 1>three hundred times the mass of the Earth. So that's

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>not a very useful limit. It doesn't really reassure anybody.

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't be less dead if we were hit by

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>a half the size of Jupiter, Comment versus twice the

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>size of Jupiter. Comment would be equally dead in both scenarios,

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>is what you're saying? Yeah, exactly, though the astronomers would

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh wow, that's really interesting. We're surprised just

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>before we all get blown up. Hey, well that's worth something.

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>At least the astronomers will get their kicks as we're

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 1>munch agone gelato. But recently we did spot a pretty

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>big monster object in the Orc Cloud heading towards the

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Inner Solar System. That kind of surprised astronomers. Nobody had

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>ever seen some this large, and it sort of stretched

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>people's brains about how big one of these I see

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>objects could be. It's not Jupiter size, but it is

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty large. So the object that hit the Earth sixty

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>five billion years ago was about five to six kilometers wide.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>We think based on reconstructions, how much is that in

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>blue whales? That's not a physical unit I'm familiar with,

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>so I have to type that into Google. Wealth blue

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>whale is maybe about thirty long yea, So we're talking

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>about something that's two hundred blue whales long by volume,

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that would make it like eight million blue whales. That's

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of blue whales, exactly eight million blue whales

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>rolled into a six kilometer wide ball impacting the Earth

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>would not be a great situation. But that's basically what

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 1>happened sixty five million years ago. But two astronomers called

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Bernadelli and Bernstein recently spotted an object that they think

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>is a hundred to two hundred kilometers across, so like

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 1>much bigger and the one that hit the Earth and

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>caused an environmental cataclysm that changed the future of the planet.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>This thing is forty times bigger, so we'll lose forty

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>times the number of dinosaurs this time around. You don't

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>think its scales that way. Don't tell me how to

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>do a math. That's a hefty that's a hefty comment.

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>How far away is it? Just asking for general, generally interested.

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>This thing we think started its journey around forty thousand

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a US away, so deep deep in the Orc cloud.

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>And last time it was spotted middle of last year,

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it was about twenty a U away, So that's twenty

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>times the distance from the Sun to the Earth, so

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>still really really far away, and so I want to

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about how we spotted this thing, what its future

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>trajectory is, what we might learn about the deep reaches

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Solar System by studying this massive comment. But first,

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break and I'm going to take

0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>some deep breathing. All right, we're back, and we're talking

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>about a ginormous visitor from the far edges of the

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Solar system. Comment Bernadeli Bernstein. And I don't know anything

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>about Bernardelli or Bernstein, but I'm imagining this very nice

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.919
<v Speaker 1>friendship between an Italian guy and the Jewish guy having

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>an ice cream, having a gelato, discovering a giant comment. Yeah,

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're having some gelato on their bobka, you know,

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're just like really fusing the cultures together. Yeah,

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>having some halva and some here you go. You know,

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 1>every culture has its take on ice cream. But now,

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>for the life of me, I can't think what is

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the Jewish version of ice cream? Do we have our

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>own kind of ice cream? I don't know. That's why

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I said halva, because that's sort of the creamiest dessert

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I know of. But yeah, I'm I am not sure.

0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Desert cultures, I guess don't have an everything exactly except

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>for those of us who ended up in Siberia. Yeah, yeah, right,

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>So we are importing gelato from the far regions of

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the Solar System into our desert culture. Here as comment

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Bernard Deli Bernstein comes closer to the Sun, is developing

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 1>a coma. So that's why we don't call this thing

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a minor planet or a dwarf Planet's officially a comet

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>because it's grown a coma. They can see this thing

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>out gassing and it's like surrounded by this little puff

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of gas. So again, just generally interested, no big deal.

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>But do we know the direction this giant comment is

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>going in? We do. We've spotted it a few times,

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>We've made a bunch of measurements, and so we can

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 1>predict its trajectory. It looks like the closest it's gonna

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>come is in twenty thirty one. It's gonna come within

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>around eleven A U. So that's the closest to the

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Sun it's gonna get, which means we are totally safe. Right,

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>We are at one a U. So this thing is

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>going to be really far away compared to us, and

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>so this comment is going to swoop actually up it's

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like not following the plane of the ecliptic. It's actually

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>coming like sort of from below the plane. It's going

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to swoop up between the orbits of Saturn and Uranus,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and then it's going to pass above the Solar System.

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>So these commets aren't necessarily limited to the plane of

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the Solar System because they come from this spherical cloud

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of objects the outer word cloud. So it probably had

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>its own trajectory and velocity before it started being influenced

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>by our Sun, right, yeah, probably, and it's probably been

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.720
<v Speaker 1>falling in towards the Sun for a long long time.

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>They estimate that the period of this commet is about

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>three million years. It's gonna take three million years to

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.399
<v Speaker 1>loop around go back out into the really far reach

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.439
<v Speaker 1>of the Solar System, where it's going to start moving

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>really really slow. Right, People think about things moving fast

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>when they're far away from the Sun, but the opposite

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>is true when you're really close to the Sun. When

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you're moving really really fast, like Mercury's orbit is very fast,

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Pluto plunks along very very slowly because it's far away

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>from the Sun, which means that the Sun's gravity is

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 1>not very strong, so it doesn't have to be moving

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>very fast to be in an orbit, in the same

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>way a commet. When it zooms towards the center of

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the Solar system, it's going really fast as it whips

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>around the Sun, and then it slows down as it

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>gets far out. It's sort of like a ball in

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>a well. It zooms down, it's going it's fastest at

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the bottom, and then when it comes back up and

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.479
<v Speaker 1>before it turns around, it's like stops. It's the same

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.720
<v Speaker 1>thing with a commet. And so it takes three million

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 1>years to do this whole orbit, all the way deep

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>into the or cloud and then back in towards the Sun.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 1>But well, we actually get to see it. If it's

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>eleven au away, we will get to see it, but

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>we'll have to use telescopes, so you won't be able

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to see it with your naked eye. Even though this

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>thing is a monster, right, it's like almost two kilometers across,

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be too far away for us to spot it.

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>The comments that you can see with the naked eye,

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Gailey's comet and other stuff, that's because they come close

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to the Earth that you can really see them.

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 1>But you will be able to see this thing with

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>an amateur telescope, and they suspect that it might grow

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a tail. Right now, it just has a coma, but

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.839
<v Speaker 1>as it gets closer and closer to the Sun, it's

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna get heated up more and more and it might

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>develop this gas tail or a dust tail. So that

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 1>would be pretty useful also because studying that tail can

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 1>help us understand what is out there in the Orc cloud.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>What can the tail tell us about the Orc cloud?

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>So we don't know what the stuff out there is

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>made out if we think it's like ice and rock,

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and we really want to build better models of how

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 1>the solar system forms so we can understand what is

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.720
<v Speaker 1>out there, and so we can take measurements of what's

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>in this tail even without going out there. Like when

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>an object is just frozen, all you can do is

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 1>bounce light off of it and measure like how much

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>light reflects. But if you have vapor, if you have

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.399
<v Speaker 1>gas and light passes through it, then you can tell

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot more about what's in it because you can

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>look at the frequency of light that passes through it,

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>and it will also glow in its own frequencies, just

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 1>like you can tell what's in the atmosphere of Venus

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 1>by looking at the frequencies of light that passed through

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>it and the frequencies in which that gas loows, because remember,

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>every kind of gas glows in different frequencies, is like

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a little fingerprint based on which kinds of photons it

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>likes to absorb in which kinds it likes to give off. So,

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>because the comet is visiting closer to the Sun and

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>some of its icy components are being turned into gas,

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>we can then study that tail and try to understand like, oh,

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>how much methane is there, or how much carbon is there,

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>how much oxygen is there in these frozen objects, and

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that will really inform the models we build about how

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the Ord Cloud came to be and where everything is

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>distributed in the Solar system, and it could maybe tell

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 1>us like how big the largest ice balls might be

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Orc Club exactly. The more data we have

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>about these details, the better we can build our models

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 1>to really specifically predict what's out there in the Orc Cloud.

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Because this is the biggest one we've seen, is it

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>likely that it's the biggest thing in the Orc Cloud?

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Almost certainly? Not right, Probably there are many more of

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>these things waiting out there to fuse different culture together

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>as astronomers from around the world come together to find them.

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But there are probably much bigger ones that we just

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>have not seen yet. So mark down on your calendars

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>nine years from now, get your telescopes out, and start

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>looking at that comment. Hunh exactly. And another fun way

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to think about commets is not just the size of

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 1>their central object, like we're talking about the icy, frozen core,

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 1>like how much stuff there is to the commet, which is,

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, a useful way to think about it if

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 1>you're worried about the comets hitting the planet. But there's

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>another way you can measure the size of the comment,

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's by the size of the coma. They make

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>this gaseous envelope that surrounds the commet. As it gets

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 1>heated up, some of these things get like crazy big,

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>it's ridiculous, it's bonkers. These things are not gravitationally bound.

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>They're just sort of like surrounding the comet. But they

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>can eject so much gas that their commas can be

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 1>like enormous. There's a comment they found in two thousand

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 1>seven called commet homes that has a really tiny, small core,

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's coma. Get ready for this because it's gonna

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>sound insane. It's coma is bigger than the sun. Shut

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the front door of the cellar for the system, and

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>don't let any of these ens. So how can it

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>produce if it's got a small core, how can it

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>produce such a huge cloud of gas? And don't say cuteoba,

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>because I won't believe you. Exactly that's the problem with

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>being flavored ice cream exactly for Jolie gelato, not a

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>good idea. Nobody knows really, and it's a question about

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like what is this thing made out of and how

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 1>did it do this? But they saw this comma. It's

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 1>one point four million kilometers wide. You can actually see

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 1>it in our skies. It's like a big circular cloud.

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>So we don't really understand it. The core of this thing,

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 1>common homes is just four kilometers in diameter, and it

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>made this enormous coma. So it could be something about

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>what that common is made out of, or maybe how

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>it was layered. You know, if you get layers in

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>just the right way, you can get like explosive release

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of energy than like a gradual release. We're just building

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>models and trying to understand it. It's fascinating. And that's

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 1>why it's so much fun to look up at the

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>night sky, because, as we were saying earlier, there are

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>always surprises. We're gonna make a model of what's in

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the work clad and what the biggest thing out there is,

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>and then five years later it's gonna say, I got

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a bigger one for you. How long could something like

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 1>that last? Like, if you have a small core and

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it's exuding so much gas in this giant ball, it

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>can't launch that long, right, It's got to be sort

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of a flash in a pan. Yeah, it can't laughs

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>out long exactly because the Sun is constantly stripping it

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of this gas. To maintain it has to continuously evaporate

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>or sublimate more and more gas. And actually some of

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the things in the asteroid belt they think are dead comets.

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Comets that used to be rocks surrounded by ice that

0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>flew around the sun, blew up all of that ice

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>into a coma and are now just totally stripped and

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>are just dead rocks. And so now they're called asteroids

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.760
<v Speaker 1>because they no longer have a coma. So a comet

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>is like a transitional period in the life of a

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Solar System object. You can be a comet for a

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>while and then eventually you get downgraded to an asteroid

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>when you've blown all of your gas. I'm trying to

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>imagine what it would be like to sort of pass

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 1>through that coma of a comet. Would it be like

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you're in the swirling world of like chunks of ice

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and gases. Would you immediately be sort of pulverized by

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 1>these little particles being shooting out from it? What would

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that experience be like being in the coma of a comet.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not nearly as dense as our atmosphere. It's very

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 1>very dilute in comparison, and so it's nothing like being

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>in air, but it is more dense than the rest

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:48.479
<v Speaker 1>of space. And so one thing you have to worry

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 1>about is the velocity. If there are dust greens in

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>this tail or, in this coma that are moving at

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>high speeds, they can carry a lot of kinetic energy

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 1>and they could, you know, hold your spaceship. We talked

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 1>about is actually on the podcast recently, about how to

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 1>protect ships from high speed micro meteorites or death grains.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a challenge, but we have sent stuff up there.

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<v Speaker 1>We have sent probes to comets. We had Rosetta, which

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<v Speaker 1>landed on a comet, and then NASA sent Deep Impact,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually blasted a crater off of a comet to

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<v Speaker 1>try to study what it was made out of. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can send spaceships up to like intercept commets and

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<v Speaker 1>study them. It's pretty awesome. What did Rosetta and Deep

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<v Speaker 1>Impact find? Like were they able to get some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of samples of what the comets were made out of

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<v Speaker 1>and bring them back to Earth. So there currently aren't

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<v Speaker 1>any samples from comets that have returned to Earth. But

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<v Speaker 1>they did send these missions out there and they studied them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they tried to understand, like, you know, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the geology of this thing? And the thing that surprises

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<v Speaker 1>me the most is that looking at the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, they just sort of look like big rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>They're sort of familiar, like they look like a big

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<v Speaker 1>rocky you would see sitting on the ground in Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>tree or you know, near some are like volcano or something.

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<v Speaker 1>They're sort of familiar looking objects. They're not otherworldly at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They have weird shapes and each one tells its history,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're still sort of studying the data from deep

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<v Speaker 1>Impact and from Rosetta to understand like the deep geology

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<v Speaker 1>of what's in those comments. Do those probes remain on

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<v Speaker 1>the commets forever and just send us back this data.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't last very long. One of them was orbiting

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<v Speaker 1>the commet for a while and then sent down a lander,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lander didn't last for very long. It like

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<v Speaker 1>took a little bit of data and then sort of

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<v Speaker 1>died and the orbitter was able to take a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of it dead on the surface of the commet. So sad,

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<v Speaker 1>so sad. But yeah, these things don't last very long,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So that's a little tour of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on out there in the deep edges of the Solar System,

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<v Speaker 1>including some surprises. There are comments out there that are

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than a bus, bigger than many school buses, bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than maybe even millions of blue whales all packed together.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as usual, the thing that I love is

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<v Speaker 1>discovering that there are surprises out there in space, not

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<v Speaker 1>just super far away, but here in our backyard. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's really fun because it means we can learn the answers.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to rely on aliens coming to visit

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us the deep secrets of the universe. We

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<v Speaker 1>could actually send more probes out there and explore the

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<v Speaker 1>rac cloud, build more space telescopes and get better pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things that we will know the answers to

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<v Speaker 1>In a hundred years, astronomers will know so much more

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<v Speaker 1>about the far reaches of the Solar System, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>look back and think of us as living in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark ages. And I'm just totally happy that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big cloud of mysterious giant ice balls of which we

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<v Speaker 1>do not know the maximum size. I think that's great

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<v Speaker 1>and perfectly fine. I'll sleep like a baby tonight, have

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<v Speaker 1>an feather spoonful of gelato, and just enjoy your life. Katie.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, thanks Katie very much for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me, and thanks to all of

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