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Speaker 1: On today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we have

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame edition. Bram Weinstein joins us for

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Speaker 1: Jo Jacobe and why he should be in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Man, Man, we were excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: Brandy did a great job defending his case. And then, man,

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Speaker 1: nothing is more important to get teammates to come and

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Speaker 1: vouch for you. Yeah, and we got a great Jojacoby teammate.

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Speaker 1: That's Doug Williams. He comes by and gives his testament.

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Speaker 1: He as to why Joe should.

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Speaker 2: Be in the Hall of Fame, and watch a surprise

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Speaker 2: him too.

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Speaker 1: It all starts right now. Welcome into the Command Center Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred spoot, Santana Moss and

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Speaker 1: our very special guest, the voice of the Washington Commander

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Speaker 1: is Braan Winsta. Thanks for coming, Bram, How you doing,

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Speaker 1: Buddy good? Thanks for having me good, excellent having you here. Man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about you know, some

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Speaker 1: people who deserve to be in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: and Bram has been a fan maybe longer than anybody

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Speaker 1: I know on the beats, and so his INSIGHT's gonna

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Speaker 1: be really helpful when talking about this individual. But in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, we got some things we to talk about.

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Speaker 1: you're all here, I don't know if you're all here

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Speaker 1: for this. I don't if you even tease this on

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Speaker 1: the last show, but we're talking Hall of Fame, and

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Speaker 1: we're talking Hall of fame for someone who, at least

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Speaker 1: in my mind, doesn't get enough love, and that's jo Jocobin.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have to say, first of all, officsive lineman

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Speaker 4: the officsive Lammy in a time where the new office

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we here to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: And I just looked through kind of getting ready for

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman? Yeah, and it's literally like, if you're

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Speaker 1: first pretty slim pickings after that, which is tough. And

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Speaker 5: It feels like, so let me let me start this

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Speaker 5: I think every organization could say this, but London Fletcher

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Speaker 6: Nodad should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't think Gary Clark or Larry Brown

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Speaker 5: the list. And I would start this conversation this way,

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Speaker 5: write for days about what Jojacoby meant to the team,

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Speaker 5: what he was for this team, the accomplishments. You want stats,

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Speaker 5: I have them. You want iconic plays, I have them.

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Speaker 5: You want iconic moments part of iconic units, I have them.

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Speaker 5: So I'd like to hear from the voters. Why is

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Speaker 5: he not in the Hall of Fame. Why do I

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Speaker 5: have to sit here and tell you how great he

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Speaker 5: And to me, it's someone that's been overlooked and never

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Speaker 5: should have been. He might be the greatest hog of

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Speaker 5: the greatest unit of offensive linemen ever.

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Speaker 6: It's a travesty thing. It's not in the Hall of fame.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a six a po thing. See Jojacob

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Speaker 2: And we talked about Anthony Munios was in his class.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Munos Zimmerman like, there's some guys that are kind

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Speaker 4: But and still don't have accomplishments that he has. See

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Speaker 4: that's the thing about it, And let's be honest. Russ

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Speaker 4: Griham was more of a talker when to get to that, Like,

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Speaker 4: Russ Griham is more of a talker than Jojacobe is.

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Speaker 4: Jojacoby is a quiet guy. That's similar to London. London

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Speaker 4: was not the salesman that Ray is, but he got

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Speaker 3: But my question with that is, because I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 7: This game from that from and that kid in the

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Speaker 6: I'm the one who went to the art I was

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Speaker 2: College game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Ben that you was there, you watched and

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Speaker 5: So the hardest part of comparing the one they both

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Speaker 3: Say who was the guy that you heard about to

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Speaker 6: Interestingly, it's Joe and it's not Russ.

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Speaker 5: Of the Super Bowl championships they went to the four

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Speaker 5: that they played, he's the only one of the original

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Speaker 5: Hogs that actually played in all of them and won

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Speaker 5: three Super Bowls. Not Russ Grim, not anybody else. So

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Speaker 5: he has the longevity of this career. He played every

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Speaker 5: to four straight Pro Bowls, two times All Pro four times.

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Speaker 5: In the early eighties, they were top four in rushing,

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Speaker 5: Top four in rushing. Yeah, six times over a nine

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Speaker 6: That's jo Jacoby. They had great.

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Speaker 5: running backs that played here. But he's the constant actually

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Speaker 5: through the entire decade. They asked him to do so

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Speaker 5: many different things. And so this isn't an indictment of

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Speaker 5: Russ He belongs there to no doubt, but the player

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Speaker 5: who really defined the dominance of the Hags Jojacoby.

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Speaker 2: So how did he get missed? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you look go back and look

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Speaker 1: good indication of like kind of how people perceive them

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Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, Russ Grim is considered the second

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Speaker 1: best guard in the NFL at the time, and Jo Jacoby,

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Speaker 1: and again he's playing with Anthony Munyo. Yeah right, And

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Speaker 1: so I think when you look at that and you say, like,

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Speaker 1: the his personality, because so much of that to me

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Speaker 1: is dictation. Buy the media and buy your personality. And

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Speaker 1: in front of a camera, I think people will forget

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Speaker 1: about you. It's kind of like, yeah, no, it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing that I think about this with Fletch, Like

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Speaker 1: Fletch played in small market teams. Yeah, for a long time, yes,

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Speaker 1: big he got his first Pro Bowl. Yeah. But like,

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowls were they in, that's not fair to Fletch, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's not far to Joe.

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Speaker 3: I also find it hard to have the acolagues that

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Speaker 3: Joe have because it all balls down to what have

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Speaker 3: you done?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: When it's all said, have done?

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Speaker 6: What did you do?

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Speaker 3: And if they go down the list and say, if

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna read everything from man, man from man, look

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Speaker 3: at the stats, look at what he accomplished. That's the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame are that's whatever you want to name it,

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Speaker 3: and he should get it from there, you know.

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Speaker 1: You should.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't have to worry about how many times your

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Speaker 2: What market you was in.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure your name brought up a lot because he

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Speaker 7: went to four Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting too, he's part of Well, he played

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Speaker 5: the one of them. And he played at all these

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Speaker 5: different positions. If you want moments, and this is the

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Speaker 5: hard part for offensive lineman or defensive lineman, often there's

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Speaker 5: no moment breaking point to Well, if you watch what

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Speaker 5: might be the greatest play in Redskins history, which is

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Speaker 5: the John Riggins fourth and one run in the first

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl Championship. Guess who the lead blocker is on

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Speaker 5: that right, That's Jojacoby. Do you want an iconic play

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Speaker 5: the counter tray is Joe Jacoby. That he is the

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Speaker 5: one who is pulling. He is one of the kind

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Speaker 1: Was that we get it too wrong.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think that you're getting it wrong.

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Speaker 3: They should lift those guys up and show we show

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Speaker 7: You can be undrafted and be a great because sidered

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Speaker 5: Well, if you are either undrafted or a low draft

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Speaker 5: I think hard to overcome that. What's amazing about Jake two.

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Speaker 5: It's an undrafted free agent. There were twenty eight tackles

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Speaker 4: No, think about these They love Tom now, they didn't

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Speaker 1: They said, you know what, I'm gonna play it out

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna give it everything I gut. Let me.

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Speaker 5: You want endorsements, I'll give you that for Joe two.

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Speaker 5: Randy White's in the Hall of Fame describe Jojacoby as

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Speaker 5: one of the greatest offensive linemen He's ever actually faced

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Speaker 5: the yeas Jojacobe was one of the toughest competitors he

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Speaker 5: Bowls were won by NFC East teams. Yes, three by

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Speaker 5: that's why it isn't about naked a case for him.

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Speaker 5: It's about it explain to me why he's not in

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Speaker 7: Yes, So how how does this those votes sway?

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Speaker 3: Like, like I've always wondered how much of that leans

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Speaker 3: it's between mehen we first got in the lead, they're

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Speaker 3: saying that the media pick picks a lot of those

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame's Pro Bowl, all pro media.

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Speaker 6: Politics, politics.

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Speaker 4: It meets media meets coaches too, Like, oh, coaches, So I.

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Speaker 7: Want to know what's the percentage, Like how much the coach.

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Speaker 4: Like Parceales has a lot of power to sway. Like

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Speaker 2: I played against what's his name? That weighs a lot.

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Speaker 3: So all those guys just did that for him, and

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Speaker 3: he's still not in there. Yeah, all those guys, from

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Speaker 3: not listening. That's what I'm saying. Who is the person

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Speaker 5: Like every team, as an advocate, the advocate needs to

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Speaker 5: It's ridiculous London Fletcher is not. Once they put Devin

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Speaker 5: Hester into the Hall of Fame, that was the idea

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Speaker 5: that Brian Mitchell is not is a ridiculous, ridiculous oversight

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Speaker 5: by the group. And in Jo Jacobe's case, here's the

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Speaker 6: That doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: The argument that I've heard from people is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: better the individuals. Take that away from me. The thing

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Speaker 2: And risk Griham's dead represented.

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Speaker 6: I believe you because should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yes, most definitely, Joe Bugers should be in there. I

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Speaker 1: To be understanding that because I always think that's kind

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Speaker 4: That's still yeah, that's silly, Like just because we was

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Speaker 6: Asked this question?

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Speaker 5: Then can I don't know Tory Holt, Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: Me and talk about this all the time, me and Tanner.

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Speaker 4: Because there's two groups to compare, right, we got the

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Speaker 4: Harrison should be in there, Marvin Harrison, but Reggie Wayne

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, hands down. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: But I think the thing that that Brahm said this

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Speaker 3: That's why I find it hard to say that if

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Speaker 2: Now, he had touchdowns when it came here, but not

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Speaker 3: So I love the fact that he went up there

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Speaker 6: Listen, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: one more?

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Speaker 1: Like? One more?

437
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Speaker 2: Okay?

438
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Speaker 5: I want to so like in the first championship, this

439
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,719
Speaker 5: is actually amazing. You know, his mom died while he

440
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 5: was in his rookie camp, so he played through the

441
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,360
Speaker 5: season and it was his mother's birthday on the day

442
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 5: of the Super Bowl that they won.

443
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Speaker 6: So there's a background story here for Joe.

444
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Speaker 5: In that eighty two playoffs, you know, Saquon Barkley broke

445
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 5: just about every rushing record. He did not break the

446
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,200
Speaker 5: postseason rush record, which is still held by John Riggins.

447
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,400
Speaker 5: That year six hundred and ten yards in one postseason.

448
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,959
Speaker 5: That still stands. Good luck anybody chasing that down, especially

449
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 5: if Saquon's not going to do it off of the

450
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 5: year that he just had. That's the Hogs. That's jo Jacoby.

451
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 5: That's also the great John Riggins. A year later, in

452
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 5: his mid thirties, John Riggins rushes for twenty four rushing touchdowns.

453
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 5: Now he's a great and belongs in the Hall of Fame.

454
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 5: That's also jo Jacoby and the Hogs allowing for something

455
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 5: like that to occur at an advanced age. In nineteen

456
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 5: eighty seven, Timmy Smith broke the Super Bowl record for

457
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 5: rush yards in a game. That's Jojacoby and the Hogs

458
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 5: in the same game. You guys are gonna talk to

459
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 5: Doug Williams, which is the greatest quarter that's ever been

460
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 5: played by any team. Eighteen plays, thirty five points, three

461
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards of offense that'll never get touched.

462
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: That's Jojacoby and the Hogs too.

463
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 6: That's the whole operation.

464
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety one, they played nineteen games, they gave.

465
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Speaker 6: Up nine sacks.

466
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Speaker 5: Nine This isn't even the original Hogs anymore. This is

467
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 5: Jojacoby in a completely new set of players, but they're

468
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 5: doing this with it's ridiculous that he's not in the

469
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. He in four Super Bowls never gave

470
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 5: up a sack and in fourteen playoff games.

471
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Speaker 2: Gave up two.

472
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Speaker 6: We're talking about the best of the best.

473
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Speaker 2: And he's playing Lowns, Taylor and Regie White. He's playing

474
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: the best players about once a year.

475
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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it don't make no sense.

476
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Speaker 3: I mean, and it's honest to say because and I'm

477
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: glad we're making this case for Joe, because I feel

478
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Speaker 3: like this is something that we can talk about from

479
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: a lot of guys. There's a lot of guys that

480
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: when we when we grew up watching, whether they was

481
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: you know, skilled guys or not, that I feel like

482
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 3: don't get enough credit. So I honestly think it's something

483
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: broken with the Hall of Fame. I guess with guys

484
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: getting voted in or whoever is the guy that's supposed

485
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: to be you know, a popularity content, and that's wrong,

486
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: don't because when it comes to just the peoples alone,

487
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: you have to reward these people, many people for it

488
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: hard made it through certain circumstances to be a professional player,

489
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: than to go out there and play on the top,

490
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: top tier level and don't get the credit for when

491
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 3: they leave the game, because that's what you want as

492
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: a player. You want to be recognized for the good

493
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: or bad you then in then why not recognize the

494
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 3: past anyway? Because these guys didn't have chance to make

495
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 3: eighty million dollars when you get that HOF on your name,

496
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 3: that gives them revenue that comes in differently.

497
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,719
Speaker 2: Like chose to pay hummage to these guys.

498
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Speaker 4: This is more serious to them than I think it

499
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 4: is to some guys that played in our time, because

500
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 4: if you win lose a jow, you was rewarded in

501
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: some form of fashion. They were rewarded by being remembered,

502
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: and the Hall of Fame is about remembering people.

503
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Speaker 1: How we going to remember the Holls without Joe Jacob.

504
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Speaker 6: It's really interesting.

505
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 5: The Redskins were dynasty back in the teen eighties and

506
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 5: they were really led by this offensive line. But you know,

507
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 5: think about how many players from those years actually got

508
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 5: into the Hall of Fame. It's actually quite small. Like

509
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: Joe Gibbs had coaches in John Riggins, but he only

510
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 5: played in the early stretches of it. He didn't play

511
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 5: in those other suits. The last three Super Bowls. He

512
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 5: wasn't even people playing of those teams.

513
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 6: Art Monk got in, Darryl Green got in. That's it,

514
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 6: that's it. That's it.

515
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 5: The Patriots who have been a dynasty here up through

516
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 5: the Brady Belichick era.

517
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Speaker 6: Same thing's going to happen.

518
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: There's only going to be a select few of these

519
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 5: guys that actually get into the Hall of Fame. They're

520
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 5: going to be having these discussions about some of those

521
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 5: players too. Their team dominance is being overlooked for the

522
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 5: sole specialties that the players brought to it. Like Dexter

523
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 5: Manley could be in the Hall of Fame.

524
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: Easy right, Mark Mark Moseley won AMVP is akier.

525
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: Man Mosley could be in the Hall of Fame. Gary

526
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 5: Clark could be in the Hall of Fame. But because

527
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: of their team dominance and because they were a humble

528
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 5: team actually with the few exceptions of the personalities.

529
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Speaker 4: They need you, they needed me you played.

530
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: On those teams, I would have sold. I would have lost.

531
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Speaker 1: I would have sold us though.

532
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 4: I would I would have sold my teammates. Because that's

533
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: why I'm wanting about London all the time. Because I

534
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: appreciate the value of work that he did and for

535
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Speaker 4: him not we're talking about two of the best. No,

536
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say two of I'm gonna go out

537
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: of the line and say, right now, jo Jacobe and

538
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 4: London Fletcher out of two best one A and one

539
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: be best undrafted players all time, they got the number

540
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 4: one into best undrafted players all time.

541
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Speaker 1: It's interesting talking about this because I think it highlights

542
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: a problem. It it's a problem in the NFL. You

543
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: were talking about the Hall of Fame. But I do

544
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: think like it's really hard to on a five offensive

545
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: line play and so even when you're looking at the media,

546
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: for example, like you're relying on another person's perspective to

547
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: inform your perspective, especially if you're a media member, you

548
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so I look at him

549
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: like so today, I'm sure, I'm sure we can all

550
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: name the top five running backs, probably named the top

551
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: five art receivers. Could you name the top five we

552
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: are analysts for a team, could you name the top

553
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: five offensive lineman in the NFL? I could, Yeah, you could,

554
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: But can the average fan through that because there's no

555
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: fantasy football for them?

556
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: But also, but I also feel I ain't mean to

557
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: cut you off for you always Uh No, honestly, I

558
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: just feel like it also shure relies in the hands

559
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: of someone who covers us. Yes, don't get me wrong,

560
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: I have nothing against the media. I'm now a part

561
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: of the media. I just feel like there's conflict of

562
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: interest at somebodas because you get some some guy like

563
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: you say, who's who's soft spoken, so that that beat

564
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: writer might feel like, you know, he never talked to me,

565
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: So I'm not voting.

566
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Speaker 7: Fum, you know, and vice versa. I've seen it done.

567
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: I've seen a guy put front page news that I

568
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: was a bus if I even got a chance to

569
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: speak to him because I couldn't speak to him, you

570
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: know what I mean, because he just had a bias

571
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: about me. So when it comes to you know, rewarding me,

572
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be rewarded by someone who's writing about us.

573
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: I should be rewarded by the league that I'm in

574
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: and the players and the coaches that I either play

575
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: widow play it again.

576
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Speaker 5: I will say to that, like of the people who

577
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: are in the room doing the voting, they're typically not

578
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 5: the hot take artists who go in those directions with

579
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 5: their careers.

580
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 6: That said it.

581
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Speaker 5: Really it takes the right advocates on behalf of the team,

582
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 5: and clearly this team has not had And I'm not

583
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not being dismissive of the people who

584
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 5: do it because it's a hard job. There are people

585
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: like jo Jacobe. It's absurd that he's not in the

586
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. Therefore they're not being advocated for properly.

587
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 5: Because the case that we're telling here, I could go

588
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 5: on and on about this. He is singularly one of

589
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: the greatest offensive linemen in the history of the NFL.

590
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 5: And I would defy anybody in that room in Canton

591
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: to argue with me about which is why I say,

592
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 5: tell me why you're not putting it in.

593
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a problem.

594
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 6: I know about him, it's a problem.

595
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 4: Then it's the problem in newness and forgetting about the past.

596
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 4: The problem is the process in order to get in

597
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: because yeah, it's a little bit of both.

598
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: It meets the world's Clyde.

599
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: There's so many guys that and I don't want to get,

600
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, too far ahead, But we talk about this

601
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: all the time with receivers. We name names that Jimmy Smiths,

602
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: the Urban friars. These are names that you probably, Oh, man,

603
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: I forgot about those guys. The number speaks for themself,

604
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: but field stuff, but even.

605
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: The numbers by itself. He played the small market.

606
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I understanding. But I'm saying, like, when it

607
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: comes down to just what did I do? Forget the market,

608
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 3: Forget the notoriety that I get. Yeah, market that I YEA.

609
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: When it's all said and done, You're gonna compare my

610
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: stats to everybody else that's up here.

611
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Speaker 1: What did I do?

612
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: I get enough credit? Should I play? Should I be

613
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: up there with?

614
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: You know what Jimmy got in got in coming with

615
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 4: the two guys were talking about he wasn't he lowly drafted?

616
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 4: It's I'm about that. We didn't put you on a

617
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: pedestal then, but we aint gonna put.

618
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: You on one now because you you lift these guys

619
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: up to make your brand what it is. He was playing, well,

620
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: we had good games or big games, prime time games.

621
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you know the Jojo Kobe's of the

622
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: world who played like you just said this stats are

623
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: ridiculous to speaks for himself, regardless if he's an office

624
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: alignment or not. Regardless if you have an office alignment already,

625
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be the spokesperson, which I never heard

626
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: anything like that in my life. If you put up,

627
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: if you put in the work and you went out

628
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: there and you consider it the best at what you do,

629
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: you should get together.

630
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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the I think that's

631
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: the problem here with Joe. If I was going to

632
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of try to pinpoint it, right, yeah, because he's

633
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: playing in an era where he was not the guy

634
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: on the pedestal, right, it was what's his name from Cincinnati, Munos.

635
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: Munos was the guy, right, And so that's where it's

636
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: so funny with off If you look at the first

637
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: ballot guys. I'm not saying Jojokobe should have been the

638
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: first ballot guy, but when you look at those guys,

639
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: it's all tackles that define an era. Your Jackie Slator

640
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: is your Munos, is your Joe Thomas. I love Joe,

641
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: but no, but he was he was the best tackle

642
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: of his era. They won nothing, but he didn't win anything.

643
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: But it's like ten was just talking about individual performance, right,

644
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the other thing here that

645
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: that's tough with Joe is like he's there's all these

646
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: other great players, right, and you can't put everybody in,

647
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: but he's also part of a great team. Yeah, and

648
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: it does run I think too.

649
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something else?

650
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: No goodness, do you.

651
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Think that this thing will have to be changed so later?

652
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: Far the Hall of Fame, I don't like it. It's

653
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: that they don't want a lot in, but it's so

654
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: many guys.

655
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: That the process has to change.

656
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

657
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: I think you've been around a long time following this game.

658
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: I just I'm wonder that you guys question that.

659
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to change. I don't know.

660
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 5: And again, like as someone who's you know, never been

661
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 5: a player, and you know, wants to think that we

662
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: know the game as well and are kind of stewards

663
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: of it, you know, caretakers of it. That's how I

664
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: look at it. From my position. I'm a caretaker of

665
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: telling the story of this team, and I hope people

666
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 5: value that, even though I never put.

667
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 6: On the uniforms like you guys did.

668
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: And you know, so I think, like I'm protective of

669
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: the idea that people in my position who cover this

670
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 5: for a living and follow it really should have a

671
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: voice in the room.

672
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 6: About it.

673
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: That said, I do believe more ex players should have

674
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: a say and maybe of equal weight to the media

675
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 5: or the advocates for the teams to do so because

676
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: they played and they know so when you sit there

677
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: and you go Reggie White, Randy White and Laurens Taylor

678
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 5: and Bruce Smith are saying he's one of the best players. Ever,

679
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: how is not not convincing you. Maybe they should be

680
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 5: in the room. Rip Reggie Waite, obviously, but they should

681
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: be in the room saying, wait a minute here, why

682
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: don't we speak up. We're wearing the jackets we played

683
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: against this guy. Maybe we should have a vote too,

684
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: so I could see we're an expansion of voices in

685
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: the rooms, specifically from the Hall of famers themselves and

686
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: ex players who you know still following are very close

687
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: to the game, have a voice in the room about this,

688
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 5: because this would stop I think some of these types

689
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 5: of players, especially in this case, from being overlooked.

690
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: What can action is the Hogs you said, maybe they

691
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: don't want to do it because it's a name the

692
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: group and they already got a representative, but while you

693
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: got a.

694
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 5: Couple, actually the you know, the hog Ets are in

695
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame too.

696
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 6: Like great fans of all time.

697
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about some more game groups.

698
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: The Steel Curtain, multiple guys in there, the Purple p Peters,

699
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikers.

700
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

701
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 6: Then you give Marshall Allen Patrick both in the.

702
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: About there, so we can go through these these names

703
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: of these rememberant groups.

704
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: But out of all those groups.

705
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: This is the only group with one represented.

706
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the Steel Curtains got how many six guys,

707
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 5: jackab Jack Lambert, all of them, almost all of me,

708
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: Joe Green, right, all of them, right, And so in

709
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: the case of the Hogs, it is kind of absurd

710
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: actually that there is one that is in the Hall

711
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: of Fame. It kind of doesn't really make a lot

712
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 5: of sense.

713
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting because, like you know, when you're

714
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: doing research, and again, like this is maybe because you know,

715
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: Bram said, make an argument as to why not. Right,

716
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that I heard was that they

717
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: protected him a lot in the system. Right, he had

718
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: tight end help, back help, They ran them all the time.

719
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: They kind of insulated them, you know what I mean.

720
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: And and it's funny to think of it.

721
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 6: La It's Taylor both times you might get help, but.

722
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: We can laugh, but we can laugh about it. But

723
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. And then you compare them to Thorpe,

724
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: the other guy that I mentioned, right, and both parcels

725
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: comes out and says, oh, he's the best tackle that

726
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: else had to play against. Like it's it's just a

727
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: different perspective. And I think that's why this is so hard,

728
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: is it's so subjective. And I think even good players

729
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: will disagree about what what is good, you know, like

730
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: you could you would like the best player I played

731
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: against is probably not someone anybody's ever heard of. Yeah right,

732
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: he just gave me fits. Yeah, probably same with you, right.

733
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that my talent didn't fit to check

734
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: this person or this.

735
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Or the scheme didn't fit that person or whatever it is.

736
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: You'll have to.

737
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 5: Have the career longevity and the stats to prove that

738
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 5: they're part of this.

739
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: But he told you he oughtic to count a tree

740
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: a play this steel ran today.

741
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: But then but then the coach gets credit for the

742
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: schematic element of it.

743
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 6: In the Hall of Fame put.

744
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: And I think, and I think, I think Jacoby deserves

745
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: to be in there. But I think, when if I'm

746
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: in the if you're in the room, you just say, oh, well,

747
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: like there's other way other people deserve his You.

748
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: Have to play devins avoc. Yeah, you have to do it.

749
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, this has happened with other groups, Like Joe Delamlaiir

750
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 5: just went into the Hall of Fame. I don't know

751
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: five years ago. He's maybe the best offensive lineman from

752
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: the Electric Company. That's OJ Simpson behind the Buffalo billby

753
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 5: offense and all those, Well, nobody knows who he is anymore.

754
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: It went along so long. This is what's happened to

755
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 5: Joe Jacoby. People forget how great the Hogs.

756
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 6: Were, how great he was.

757
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: So when I say Joe Delamalair, nobody knows who that is.

758
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: He was the best offensive lineman on the Bills.

759
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 6: But because O. J.

760
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: Simpson was so magnificent, they thought it would him, not them.

761
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but credit has to be handed out because

762
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: it's us correct. But people try to make football so

763
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: singular and it has more at the least than any

764
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: other sport playing at one time.

765
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: You would try to make a singular.

766
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: Think about this right now, like the Eagles have the

767
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 5: best offensive line in football? Was that all Saquon Barkley

768
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 5: last year. Of course not, of course not.

769
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: They didn't have that line. Half of that number.

770
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: Posted last year would not be behind a ridiculously bad

771
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 5: offensive line.

772
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 6: Never would have happened.

773
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Right when this goes back to my other point, like,

774
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: could you name the top four tackles in the NFL

775
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: right now?

776
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Peanos, you got Suol, You've got Trent Williams, a

777
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: lot of, you got my lot of and you got

778
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: Lanz Justin and you've got Thomson Lane Johnson.

779
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So those are the four that come up.

780
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: And of those guys that when they decide or when

781
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: it's time for them to go on the Hall of Fame,

782
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: how it goes according to.

783
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: History Johnson, It's a good one because the Eagles are

784
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: going to get two guaranteed. Jason Kelsey's gonna go in

785
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame and Lane Johnson's they too.

786
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: Well, centers have a weird history of not going you

787
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

788
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 6: But Jason Kese so incredibly popular, He's That.

789
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: Goes back to but we could talk about this all

790
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: day long. Bram. Thank you so much for joining us.

791
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: You did a great pitch for it. Thank you so much.

792
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: And now we're going to bring in somebody who's played

793
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: with him, talk about the man himself. So we'll get

794
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that going, Brian, way to sail it, Brian, Yeah, Brian

795
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: made a case. Baby. All right. Now we're back and

796
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Doug Williams joins us. The man that needs no introduction.

797
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: And it's so fun to have guys like Doug in

798
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: the building because we can talk to Bram, who's watching

799
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: team as little kid. But to have a guy who

800
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: played with joj and had a really historic career in

801
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: his own right, he protected. It's awesome for you to

802
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: be here, Doug. Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me.

803
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're talking about Joe, and if you so

804
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: for someone who's never seen Joe play, like, I'm too young,

805
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I never saw him playing, but I watch a little

806
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: bit of film getting ready for this, but it's all

807
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: that grainny, cut up stuff. How would you describe Jojia Kocher?

808
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 8: You know what, when I first got here in eighty six, man,

809
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 8: I knew I was coming to a team with a

810
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 8: great offensive line. And then I got a chance when

811
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 8: I first got here just to set back and just

812
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 8: watch guys move around. You look at Joe. Joe's the

813
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 8: big old guy. You know, wasn't the most athletic guy,

814
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 8: but he got the job done. You know, you didn't

815
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 8: beat him in side, You didn't beat him outside because

816
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 8: of his side. You look at the guy that was

817
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 8: undrafted and that says a lot too. Man come in

818
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 8: and then become that starter man. And when I got

819
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 8: an opportunity to play my backside was something I know

820
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 8: did worry about.

821
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: You're right, because you know it's a very intimate relationship

822
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: between left tackle or the quarterback, like for you to

823
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: back up all those times to pass the ball and

824
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: never think twice. And we're talking about some of the

825
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: best pass rushers this game he ever saw. We talking

826
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 4: about Redjie Whye, we talking about Lornce Taylor. We're talking

827
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: about the highest of competition. How did he gain your

828
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 4: trust from the first mini camp? And did it just

829
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: you just say, you know what this guy got this

830
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: let me push the ball down.

831
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 8: I think coming in already a veteran, it was my

832
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 8: job to gain their confidence. And that's what I did.

833
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 8: You know, wase or not it was. Joel was not

834
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 8: as Mark Made, was not as Russ anybody that was

835
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 8: up front. You know, I had trust him because the

836
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 8: way they had played earlier. You know, I had a

837
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 8: chance to see him play before I got here, and

838
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 8: I think that's made for it. But to see those

839
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 8: guys play at the level that they played at and

840
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 8: see Joel, yeah, you know, play at the level that.

841
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: He played at.

842
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 8: Joe is the only guy that, you know, the time

843
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 8: I played here with with Coach Gibbs, the only guy

844
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 8: Coach Gibb would never put a play in that you

845
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 8: couldn't block it. But he was the only guy that

846
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 8: he left single handed with Lawrence Taylor. Yeah, the only

847
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 8: guy I've seen him without the tight end on his side.

848
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so this is everything. Well, it's crazy because

849
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: like when you hear people talk about him like, oh,

850
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: we got all this title help but didn't get it

851
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: from the horses, get it from reading from reading through it,

852
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's the criticism. But like obviously you

853
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: know that's a different story.

854
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 8: But quite naturally, we had offense where guy moved left,

855
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 8: moved right. But if there was time when it was

856
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 8: just him and Lawrence over there and nobody worried about that,

857
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 8: I didn't. I mean, you know, because what Joe had

858
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 8: did early and I believed in Joe.

859
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: So tell me from all these years, if you just

860
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: watching certain guys getting the credit, who didn't get the credit,

861
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: and some of the guys who've got in there early,

862
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: especially nowadays, I'm kind of I scratched my head when

863
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: I see all these young guys is getting pushed in

864
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: the front.

865
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: What what was it or what is.

866
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: It that we can't sit here and say that you know,

867
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: Joe's not in yet.

868
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I said this a long time ago.

869
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 8: You know, when you think about the offensive line that

870
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 8: we had here for a decade or more and you

871
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 8: only got one guy in there and Rush Griham, there's

872
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 8: nowhere in the world when you see other teams got

873
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 8: two and three guys in the Hall of Fame that

874
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 8: we should not have at least two guys in the

875
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame's and for Joe not to be in there,

876
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 8: I think it's a travesty.

877
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. Brem said something similar, and

878
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: I think it's like, again, like, how do you capture

879
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 1: how good the group was? Because you know, we.

880
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: Talked about the name the group, we talked about the

881
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: steel curtain, we talk about the perfect people eaters, and

882
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: usually when you in as a group you just go one, two, three, four,

883
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: like they just continue to put you in. But this

884
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: seems to be the group that constance get overlooked. And

885
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a franchise thing. I don't

886
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: know if it's a newness thing, because you know, the

887
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: one thing we can generationally do is forget about the past,

888
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 4: not unmistakely, but forget about the pass.

889
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 8: I think that you know, it's been a long time ago,

890
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 8: thirty some years ago, and I think that's unfortunate. But

891
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 8: they all got they also got to recognize what that

892
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 8: offensive line did, and especially what Joe did at the

893
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 8: left tackle. You know, we talk about Hall of famers,

894
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 8: a guy that played for ten years or more at

895
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 8: left tackle and did it. Well, yeah, you can't overlook him.

896
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: Brown say that something about us pushing that more too? Yeah,

897
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: do you think as an organization we can do a

898
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: better job with the gym kind of trying to put

899
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: it back on the forefront when it comes to just

900
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: you know, every year, like hey, you know, we got

901
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: you got guys like Gary, you got guys like b Mitch,

902
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: you got guys like London and Joe. You know, I

903
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: think I'm not sure how how far does it go

904
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: when it comes to saying that you got like one

905
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: more year before you can just you know, before you

906
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: can get in up.

907
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: Said something about it.

908
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: He's senior category, So we almost to the point of

909
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: where they're going to just forget him about them.

910
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then he come up in the senior You know,

911
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 8: you got so many guys that's in that senior category

912
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 8: from way back when.

913
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the problem.

914
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 8: But you know, if Joe's in the senior category, they

915
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 8: should put him in the front of the line.

916
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: I think that kind of messes up because you know,

918
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: when you get the hall that yellow jacket, it gives

919
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: you money making power.

920
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: You know that you that some guys in the past

921
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: probably never have.

922
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: And to rob him up there trying to do it

923
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 4: in his senior years, I think it's the worst thing

924
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: about it to me.

925
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: And let me ask you this, did y'all y'all ran

926
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: the counter tray, right? Yes? We did, all right?

927
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: And he's known for that counter trade a play that

928
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: we run today.

929
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 8: Let me tell you, and I'm telling people talk about

930
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl that he played in. We ran the

931
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 8: sixty counter trade man Jojakoba came around the side block

932
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 8: steal this guy inside. Not a soul touched Timmis Smith,

933
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 8: not one. So I'm talking about completely wife. When he

934
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 8: broke the record round completely wiped it out. You know

935
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 8: that that in itself says what Jacoba is all about it.

936
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 8: If you don't believe me, go get that film and

937
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 8: you'll see against Denver that when he came around pulling

938
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 8: Now we pulled it from his left tackle, coming all

939
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 8: the way to the right side and steal that whole

940
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 8: side in.

941
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: So obviously he's a great player, right, You know, like,

942
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: how was he as a teammate? How was he? Man?

943
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 8: Let me tell you can't get a better teammate. All

944
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 8: those guys, all those guys man that you know, nobody

945
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 8: that you couldn't sit down and talk to about anything.

946
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 8: You know, Jojakoba to me, gonna always be somebody especially

947
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 8: tell you why Because when I was dragging my leg

948
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 8: off the field of the Super Bowl, Joja Kobe walked

949
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 8: up to me and he told me. He said, hey,

950
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 8: Doug William He said, white, green and yellow. He said,

951
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 8: I don't care what they say, you our quarterback. You know,

952
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 8: to me, I thought that was especially in that moment

953
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 8: in that and that heat of that moment.

954
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Right cool man. Yeah, and so like as it's like,

955
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, like obviously like on the field, he was

956
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: a certain way, probably like a pretty rough and tumble

957
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: kind of guy or you know what guy there was

958
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: talk about men. They was fist.

959
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 8: But you know what the good thing about man, they

960
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 8: believe that they can do anything that Joel and Bus

961
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 8: asked him to do.

962
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: They can move them.

963
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 6: They feel like they can move the mountain if you

964
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 6: have to block it.

965
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 8: Like you know, they came to heather Man and they

966
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 8: didn't talk into huddle. They listened to their quarterback and

967
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 8: when they got what they had to do and they

968
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 8: went to the line, they was ready to go.

969
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: And then I think the other question is like, you know,

970
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: like do you have anything off the field, because you

971
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: know they had that little tent outside where the hangout.

972
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 6: I wouldn't no, they had how right here? We wasn't here.

973
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 8: We was at a place down on the other side

974
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 8: of the airport right there. And the guy who kept

975
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 8: up with the field, they had a house. He was

976
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 8: the guy to go get the beer and stuff like that.

977
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: So there was an actual house, yeah, where to keep

978
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: on the linemolders.

979
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 6: They had sofa chairs everything. And then yeah, but I

980
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 6: wasn't invited.

981
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: I would say that.

982
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Remember you want three hundred pounds, you can't come in.

983
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 8: No, it was on the one guy invited that didn't

984
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 8: play offensive line tight end Rick I was rigging were quarterback.

985
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: He can't go in there.

986
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: Man in the world, Joe and me, a real was

987
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 6: gonna go in there. Wasn't invited.

988
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: Listen, I understand they stay no mad, but but you.

989
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 8: Know what, that's the respect that everybody had for each other. Yeah,

990
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 8: that was they click and you had the post, you

991
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 8: had the fun bunch. Everybody had their little click man. Yeah,

992
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 8: and they believed in each other and they got together

993
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 8: and they had fun and they blocked people to death.

994
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: They did what they was asked to do. That's right.

995
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: And so two things and then we can answer this

996
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: question again other what made him special, like as a person,

997
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: and then why do you think you should be in

998
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame?

999
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 8: Well, as a person, Joe was was a down nerves guy.

1000
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: Talk to anybody got along.

1001
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 8: You just said, you hit the nail on the nail

1002
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 8: on the head. Nothing milicious about Joe at all, nothing

1003
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 8: at all. And the reason why I say he should

1004
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 8: be in the Hall of Fame. I think you look

1005
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 8: look across the board and you see some of the

1006
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 8: guys that and I'm not taking anything away from the

1007
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 8: guys that are going in there. Yeah, but but there's

1008
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 8: no way in the word that Joe Jake Za Kobe

1009
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 8: should not be in the NFL Football Hall of Fame.

1010
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a better endorsement than that, Like,

1011
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, Teddy, you were talking about this, like how

1012
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: you want the players to do it. Yeah, I can't

1013
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: think of a better way to kind of get that

1014
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: endorsement from a guy who played with them, Yeah, and

1015
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: say that like he deserves us, you know what I mean,

1016
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Like you cut out all the media, the personality being.

1017
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 8: Deserved, deserve halland you know, and you're talking about a

1018
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 8: guy that you know, like I tell told people all

1019
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 8: the time, we're all getting in out of twilight. Yeah,

1020
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 8: and this is a great time for Joe Jacoby to

1021
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 8: get it flowers man to be celebrated and not just

1022
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 8: get this flower he deserves it. Yes, yes, motion, I

1023
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 8: think that's how you got to look at it.

1024
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. In addition to jo Jacoby, Yeah, we got we

1025
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: got new news too. Yeah, it deserves me in the

1026
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I also think it's important that Doug

1027
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Williams gets recognized. Ye I'm saying, and this is a

1028
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: little bit surprised, So I know you don't like this

1029
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but there's a new new thing in

1030
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame historical contribution and obviously your resume

1031
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: is tremendous, bawls, championship games, all that.

1032
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: Oh no, we're talking about HBCU talking about you are

1033
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: fit from jayde Daniels to Michael Vicks to the random

1034
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 4: cunning Hams of.

1035
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: The world because he was the first. Oh yes, we're.

1036
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: Talking about the way you nurtured football throughout Louisiana and

1037
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: this area.

1038
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: Tell him what we got.

1039
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like, that's that's that's you said

1040
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: it because I look at I look at again, Like

1041
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: football is a game, obviously, but there's sometimes something more

1042
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: than Again, some people bigger than the game, and the

1043
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: moments that Joe Jacob be talking about, like doesn't matter

1044
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: what color you are, you're on a quarterback and that

1045
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: starts a whole generation of young people. Yeah, looking and

1046
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: saying I can do that, I can do that, and

1047
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: I think that that's extremely special. On Joe. Joe, I'm

1048
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: sorry I put you on the spot. Yeah, but it's

1049
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: but it's cool to be in the same room as you.

1050
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, it's a good ambush.

1051
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: And what we're saying is like you, I being considered

1052
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: for Historical Tribune to the NFL Hall of Fame.

1053
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is which is unbelievable, but it's deserving. It's deserving,

1054
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: most definitely. So I know you got a lot of

1055
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: stuff going on, Doug. You just came in from practice

1056
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: watching players, mentoring people. So thank you so much for

1057
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: joining us. Really appreciate it'spuchal for us. Thanks for talking

1058
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: about Joe, and thanks for being you and being around

1059
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: the building.

1060
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 8: Appreciate it. It is my pleasure. But John could have told me.

1061
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 4: We just got the news, and I told him, we

1062
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: want to be the first to let you know this news.

1063
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: So congratulation, especially knowing that you also and I hope

1064
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: they do it at these same am exact time with

1065
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: you and jo Jakobe because that'll really make it special

1066
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: for Washington. And congratulations you have and will and I

1067
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: considered to be a Hall of Famer, very.

1068
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Soon, sir, thank you, Sir. I appreciate that anytime