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Speaker 2: What is up, Mets fans?

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Speaker 1: Back here for episode number seventy eight of the met

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Speaker 1: stub podcast. Of course, I'm your co host Drafteckmark here

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Speaker 1: with James Sheana Oh Jeter had no range talking about

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Speaker 1: all the New York Mets news, all the moves, all

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Speaker 1: the big trades we made, because yes, the Mets have

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Speaker 1: made some moves. When you last heard us, we were

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Speaker 1: talking about guys that we'd like to see on the team.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Carlos Rodan end up signing with the San

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Speaker 1: Francisco Giants, but we filled in that number three starter

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Speaker 1: spot with Chris Bassett of the Oakland A's in a

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Speaker 1: trade that was made yesterday or a few days ago,

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Speaker 1: depending on when you're listening to this. And we also

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Speaker 1: brought an Adam Otavino to help with the bullpen, which

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Speaker 1: is someone that both me and James said we would

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Speaker 1: really like to bring in as a depth bullpen arm.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go over all things Mets news, all

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Speaker 1: things Mets rumors, relations, trades, everything that was going on there.

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Speaker 1: Steve Cohen had some comments too, and Billy Eppler and

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Speaker 1: Buck show Walter. We'll cover that all in today's episode

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Speaker 2: James.

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Speaker 1: How you feel a.

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Speaker 2: Man, good man, really good? Still sick? You guys heard

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Speaker 2: me on Friday, my illness turned out to be the throat.

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Speaker 2: So I've been kind of stuck at home all weekend

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Speaker 2: just watching college basketball. But it's been fun. Good week

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Speaker 1: No, not a bad one. And you know, the Mets

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Speaker 1: have definitely probably helped you out a little bit too,

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Speaker 1: with some good news sprinkled in here there with Bassett

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just really fun to just be refreshing Twitter constantly,

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Speaker 2: like fifteen times an hour, over and over again, waiting

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Speaker 2: to see the scoops and the moves, really good moves

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Speaker 2: by the Mets. I mean, just jump right now. With

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Speaker 2: Chris Bassett. This is exactly what the doctor ordered. Like,

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Speaker 2: I can't even think about a guy in Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball who is more what this team needs than Chris Bassett.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guy who's gonna go out there every

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Speaker 2: I don't even think that's a lazy comparison, Like these

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Speaker 1: He's been really good, So I'm sure he could fill

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Speaker 2: It's like, all right, we got it. This is what

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Speaker 1: And I think him coming to city Field too, while

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Speaker 2: I mean, you are right about that. The city Field

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Speaker 2: possibly miss a lot more. Bats's added a significant amount

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Speaker 1: This makes the Mets instantly better, instantly better, where those

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, And the thing about those two guys probably

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then made another move today, signing native New

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Speaker 2: And that's very similar with Familia. And he's gonna cost

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Speaker 2: less money next year and a familiar cost last year,

434
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Speaker 2: says a net victory for the New York Mets. I

435
00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,640
Speaker 2: had Alavino as the seventh best reliever on the board.

436
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 2: As we get exit of the lockout, he turns out

437
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,040
Speaker 2: to be the sixth best reliever after my king Adam

438
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 2: Connelly retired out of nowhere in Friday afternoon, but shook

439
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,880
Speaker 2: me up. That was really sad. And then the only

440
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Speaker 2: ridy I had still a bailable because Joe Kelly signed

441
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,560
Speaker 2: with the White Sox was a great move and uh

442
00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,960
Speaker 2: Kenvin Jansen hadn't signed yet, Deemon signed and Tony Watson's

443
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Speaker 2: still unsigned and to Para, but so comparing him basically,

444
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Speaker 2: I guess with the Para that's the comparison best fans

445
00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,600
Speaker 2: have been using a lot because to Para like seemed

446
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,679
Speaker 2: like the best reliever on the board. TA Para's going

447
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,560
Speaker 2: to cost you multiple years in probably like seven or

448
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,960
Speaker 2: eight million. Part like you might as well get the

449
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,840
Speaker 2: one year of out of Vino and then figure this

450
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Speaker 2: out again next offseason. Like, I'm really happy that the

451
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Speaker 2: Mets were able to get a reliever with elite stuff,

452
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Speaker 2: specifically one elite pitch, and not have to make any

453
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Speaker 2: kind of actual financial commitment to them.

454
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Speaker 1: He's also another dude who's going to benefit massively, one

455
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Speaker 1: from leaving the AL East. And two he's pitched for

456
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox and the Yankees the last two years.

457
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Speaker 1: Band boxes, band Boxes. He's gonna benefit massively from getting

458
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Speaker 1: out of there. I think he had like he would

459
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Speaker 1: go up against the Blue Jays pitching Toronto or pitching

460
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Speaker 1: whatever the Triple A Park was, get like six runs

461
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Speaker 1: in one outing Like that just shouldn't happen in the

462
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Speaker 1: National League East.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and two of the last three years twenty nineteen

464
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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one. Every year out of Vino's pitched

465
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Speaker 2: him besides the shortened year, he's had a flyball rate

466
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Speaker 2: above twenty eight percent, which is significantly above league average.

467
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Speaker 2: So he's a guy who's gonna be very happy to

468
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Speaker 2: get those fly balls caught in city fields. And again,

469
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Speaker 2: just he has a great slider. As a reliever, having

470
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Speaker 2: one good pitch will get you basically as far as

471
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Speaker 2: adam On Vino has gotten already in his career, Like

472
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Speaker 2: just he's like has some of the most horizontal movement

473
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Speaker 2: in the league. Still is incredibly high wiff rate. Like

474
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Speaker 2: this is a good move for the mess. Don't expect

475
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Speaker 2: two thoy fourteen adam Onlavino to walk through the door.

476
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Speaker 2: But there's a guy who's just gonna throw a lot

477
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Speaker 2: of one pitch and get a lot of guys to

478
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Speaker 2: swing through it.

479
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Speaker 1: Which is fantastic, serviceable, very very serviceable reliever. Like I

480
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with him at times for sure, like he's

481
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Speaker 1: not gonna be Oh no, Jacob Barnes is on the

482
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Speaker 1: mout again.

483
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Speaker 2: You know, No, this is familiar and this and Basstes Strowman,

484
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Speaker 2: they have to contextualize these these new pictures in your

485
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Speaker 2: brain as the two pitchers who were on the team

486
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Speaker 2: last year, and you will You'll be okay.

487
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Speaker 1: Also, just a little Jerry's familiar tod bit here signed

488
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Speaker 1: with the Phillies. How funny is that that he's gonna

489
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Speaker 1: he's a ground ball pitcher and they just have by

490
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Speaker 1: far the worst defense in all baseball.

491
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Speaker 2: Wells ben the than being a flyball pitcher in that

492
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Speaker 2: in the little league stadium.

493
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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, you gotta. They're still gonna field like

494
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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the balls. I guess that are put

495
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Speaker 1: in play the Phillies. Definitely something up to sleeve. They

496
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Speaker 1: have to sign one of these infielders. They'd be really idiots.

497
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Speaker 1: Not too Yeah, you can't play DDE Gregorious for any

498
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Speaker 1: amount of games next year.

499
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Speaker 2: I only he's technically for agent now, correct.

500
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Speaker 1: No, I think they have him for one more year.

501
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Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

502
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident. I'm pretty sure you signed a two year,

503
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Speaker 1: like eighteen million dollar deal.

504
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he is still in the Phillies. I also

505
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 2: have a funny d. Gregorious anecdote from from when the

506
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 2: lockout was ending they signed the deal that will also

507
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 2: include putting advertisements on players jerseys, hats, helmets, this and that.

508
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: And Maury Brown, who shouted out a few times. He

509
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Speaker 2: writes for Forbes and a Baseball Prospectus Baseball Baseball Business

510
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Speaker 2: report there he said, does this picture bother anybody? And

511
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Speaker 2: it was a picture of like d D and I

512
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 2: think Glabor somebody else in the Yankees, like dancing and

513
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 2: celebrating a home looked like from years ago. And all

514
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: the Yankee idiots got into the replies, We're like, oh, yes, Boz,

515
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: that DD was a great play and you should never

516
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Speaker 2: let him go ruin the glory days. But really, he

517
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Speaker 2: just put that picture up there and photoshop tiny little

518
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Speaker 2: ads on the corners of sleeves on the back of

519
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Speaker 2: a hat, and know none of the people actually replying

520
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Speaker 2: know this what he was talking about.

521
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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.

522
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.

523
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Speaker 1: And then I want to mention another reliever that I

524
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Speaker 1: didn't even know was on the Mets. I found out

525
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 1: today for Anthony Dicomo. Did you know about this? Alex

526
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: Claudio is a New York Met?

527
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Speaker 2: Was he a mad last didn't they have him like

528
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 2: minor league deal last year?

529
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Speaker 1: Somewhere I don't think so, but he uh, I think

530
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Speaker 1: he got a non roster invite right now. And apparently

531
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Speaker 1: Billy Eppler is very willing to put him as the

532
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Speaker 1: left handed reliever in this bullpen right now. Like he's

533
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Speaker 1: kind of trying out a little bit, but he's a

534
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Speaker 1: funky little lefty that could be kind of fun to

535
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Speaker 1: have in this bullpen.

536
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great. I'm down for that. I mean,

537
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: I mentioned this before, but you want your bullpen to

538
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: have a few different like arm angles, you know, switch

539
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 2: switch hit is up, keep them on their toes. And

540
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: this basically the loop uh loop two point zero sounds

541
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Speaker 2: like what they're gonna try to do with Alex Claudio.

542
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Speaker 2: And even though there are a few lefties out there,

543
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Speaker 2: but I don't I would caution any Mets fans from

544
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Speaker 2: thinking the Mets are going to give a legitimate deal

545
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Speaker 2: to Chaffin.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they should.

547
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Speaker 2: I don't feel onto it doesn't make sense, especially because

548
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Speaker 2: like if they were going to give that out, why

549
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: would you just given it to Loop? Logically?

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously though, like why wouldn't you have no?

551
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Speaker 2: No, That's why, I mean, that's why I don't think

552
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: they're going to I'm happy though, because I think Chaffin

553
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: is just ready to not be good soon.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's definitely a little closer than a

555
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: lot of people think. But you know whatever. Colin mcae

556
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Speaker 1: would also be another arm I like to see them

557
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Speaker 1: pick up. I think he'd be a really good addition

558
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Speaker 1: as well.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too, I could. That kind of takes

560
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Speaker 2: me where I wanted to take this next into where

561
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: the Mets need to sign their next picture, and I

562
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 2: feel like there just has to be another guy who

563
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Speaker 2: can give the Mets between like eighty and one hundred

564
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: inches to get added into here.

565
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Speaker 1: You were talking about the swingman a lot I saw,

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah On tweeted.

567
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Speaker 2: About the swing man. I've talked to you about the

568
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Speaker 2: swingman a lot off air. I really think the Mets

569
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Speaker 2: could benefit from a swing man, a guy like I'm

570
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Speaker 2: talking about who can seamlessly move between rotation and bullpen

571
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Speaker 2: and you will not have to worry about it. And

572
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Speaker 2: there's a couple of very exciting names out there who

573
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Speaker 2: can do this. Names we've mentioned here before. Give me

574
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Speaker 2: some right, we got Danny Duffy, Colin mcewe just said,

575
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Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd. I think would be very good in this role.

576
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Speaker 2: Garrett Richards, I know you hate him, but I do

577
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Speaker 2: think I guess this is the sicky stuff. They kind

578
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Speaker 2: of kill him, so I'm gonna take him off my list.

579
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Speaker 2: Jacob Junas has done interesting things like with this with

580
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Speaker 2: the Royals of the last few years.

581
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Speaker 1: Vitz Velasquez is the guy who got signed today.

582
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Speaker 2: Oh who signed him? White Sox White Socks are picking

583
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Speaker 2: off a lot of these good pitchers. That's kind of

584
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: a good move, even though their team is definitely not

585
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Speaker 2: going to unlock him. No, but it's just a good

586
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: depth for them. Well. Chad Cool from the Pirates over

587
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: the last few years has been relatively interesting. He throws

588
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Speaker 2: kind of hard with a good off speed pitch like

589
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Speaker 2: that's that will get you through two times through the

590
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Speaker 2: order and good enough. But the guy Danny Duffy man

591
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Speaker 2: or Colin McKee, those are the two I love for

592
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Speaker 2: the Mets to jump on. Last year, when Danny Duffy

593
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Speaker 2: was healthy, all three of his non fastballs were thrown

594
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Speaker 2: at least ten percent of the time and had a

595
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Speaker 2: whiff rate of over thirty percent. Okay, Danny Duffy, change up, curveball, slider,

596
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Speaker 2: all of them.

597
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Speaker 1: He had a great first half. That's why the Dodgers

598
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Speaker 1: went after him. But of course he didn't end up

599
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: pitching because he was hurt. But yeah, Danny Duffy, listen,

600
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Speaker 1: you you could sway me. You could sway me on

601
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Speaker 1: Danny Duffy. We have the rotation now, so now everything

602
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Speaker 1: else is depth where I don't have to rely on

603
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Speaker 1: Daddy Duffy. I'm cool with that.

604
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also on a caution, Mets fans for thinking that

605
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: this is like killing Tyler McGill. I think Tyler McGill

606
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Speaker 2: is a sixth star. There is exactly where everybody wants

607
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Speaker 2: him to be himself, included people. My mention is arguing

608
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Speaker 2: about it Tyler versus Tywe Walker. Don't even worry about it.

609
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Speaker 2: Someone's gonna get injured. Tyler McGill is going to pitch

610
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Speaker 2: one hundred to one hundred and fifty innings this year

611
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Speaker 2: unless he is the one who gets injured. He's gonna

612
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Speaker 2: be very useful. He's gonna be very helpful. He's gonnake

613
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Speaker 2: a step forward. He's gonna be fucking awesome. Love Tyler.

614
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Speaker 1: I think, especially early in the season, he's gonna get

615
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Speaker 1: a lot of innings as well, just because these guys,

616
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Speaker 1: while they do have the three weeks or four weeks

617
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Speaker 1: before the season starts, it's not the full spring training

618
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Speaker 1: that these guys are used to, especially the pitching side.

619
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Speaker 2: It's almost like no Mets pitcher should be throwing more

620
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Speaker 2: than five innings the entire month of April. Yeah, and

621
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Speaker 2: Tyler McGill is gonna be the guy who cleans up

622
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Speaker 2: most of that mess.

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Speaker 1: Pitches like six to seven.

624
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll come and pitch a sixth and the seventh

625
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: on Monday and Friday, and then he'll bridge you to

626
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Speaker 2: the bullpen.

627
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Speaker 1: He'll be really effective like that. We saw him first

628
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Speaker 1: time through the order last year. He was great.

629
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Speaker 2: So yeah, especially I mean because Tyler McGill, we are

630
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: hoping him he takes the jump, but as of right now,

631
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: his changeup is still lags behind his slide, especially his fastball,

632
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: so he really is mostly a two pitch guy, and

633
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: he does love that fastball. Now we're getting starting to

634
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: get back into game modes, strying to think about these

635
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: guys as they were as they are. That's fine. Also,

636
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: guy like McGill, instead of throwing five innings, he's only

637
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: throwing two or three. He can really reach back in

638
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: that fastball again an extra ticket velocity. He relies on

639
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: it for whiffs. Anyway, it'll be much easier to get whiffs.

640
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: One's coming in harder.

641
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Speaker 1: Also, Mets fans can't forget Drew Flow. Drew Flow could

642
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Speaker 1: be that spot as well.

643
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Drew Flow can definitely be a multi ended guy. He's

644
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Speaker 2: four pitches to work with. Love Drew Smith almost for

645
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: he existed.

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Speaker 1: I know it's it's kind of hard. Although I think

647
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Speaker 1: he did shave the flow. I think he's back to

648
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Speaker 1: a bus cut.

649
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just true. Drew Flow called Drew. Yeah,

650
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Speaker 2: Drew just Drew Drew Buzz.

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Speaker 1: Drew Buzz. That's bad. It's not as good as Drew Flow.

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Speaker 1: What other Mets stuff we got to talk about here?

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Speaker 2: Today? We gotta talk about next most too. We just

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Speaker 2: talked about pitching and today in the press conference, Billy

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Speaker 2: Eppler and Buck Showalter someone aske specifically about Michael Kanfoord though,

656
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Speaker 2: and I think we know that Malcolm is definitely not

657
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Speaker 2: going to be on this team. But they also, in

658
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Speaker 2: answering the question, said it's unlikely the Mets bring in

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Speaker 2: another position player and that they expect Robinson can know

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Speaker 2: to be an impact bat in not so many words.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a little tough for me to buy. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much I can buy Robinson can know

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Speaker 1: being an impact back considering what he didn't hit anything

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Speaker 1: more than singles in the Winter League. But I really

665
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Speaker 1: watch forber Man, I really do. The more and more

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Speaker 1: I keep thinking about it. I know we have that player.

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Speaker 1: It exists already. We have a lot of these first

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Speaker 1: base DH kind of position players. But man, his back

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Speaker 1: had changed this lineup so bad. That's the guy I

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Speaker 1: want the most. Right now.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say one thing. Trevor May three minutes ago

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Speaker 2: just tweeted, there's so many awesome parts of life, he said,

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Speaker 2: of the life. That's a TYPEO from my friend Trevor.

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Speaker 2: But there's one thing you never get used to saying

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Speaker 2: goodbye the friends. What the fuck? I think someone got traded?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He just tweeted that.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope everything's okay. It's a very ominous tweet.

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Speaker 2: But it actually works pretty well because that was going

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Speaker 2: to bring me into the next topic I wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about, and that was if the Mets were going

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Speaker 2: to make another trade because we've heard that they've been

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Speaker 2: talking about trading a position player, and now that they've

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Speaker 2: just sent some prospects out, it would make a little

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Speaker 2: bit of sense to bring some prospects in. And I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering about where that would leave them and the rest

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Speaker 2: of his roster and how possible you think that could be.

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Speaker 1: I know this is the McNeil conversation, but I don't

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Speaker 1: want to have it.

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Speaker 2: Because her conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, McNeil's the one who brings the most back without it.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have a second basement now without McNeil,

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Speaker 2: and there's not really an option, So I don't think

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Speaker 2: that it's a McNeil conversation. I think it's a McNeil conversation.

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Speaker 2: If we sign Chris Bryant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. But so then let's talk about Tom

697
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Speaker 1: Smith because I think he's the guy that is on

698
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Speaker 1: the chopping block right now in terms of all the mets.

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Speaker 1: I think he is not necessarily the most tradable. I

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Speaker 1: think JD probably is of him and Dom, but Dom

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Speaker 1: doesn't really have a spot right now, like, especially if

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Speaker 1: Cano is going to DH, where does Dom fit into

703
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Speaker 1: this lineup? Besides off days for Pete, to which why

704
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Speaker 1: are you really holding him around? If you can get

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Speaker 1: something to make your team better, what do you really

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Speaker 1: get back for Dom? That's the other question, Probably like

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Speaker 1: just a random reliever arm that hopefully has some good guts,

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Speaker 1: which stinks because at one point Dom we thought could

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Speaker 1: be one of the better first basement in the league.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, It's tough to trade a

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Speaker 1: player at what is probably his lowest value, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what Dom Smith is right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, But I don't even know how high Dom

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Speaker 2: smith highest value ever was, because it doesn't seem like

715
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Speaker 2: people really trade for middling first basement ever. Even Matt Olson,

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Speaker 2: who's one of like the twenty five best hitters in baseball,

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: it seems like his mark is still struggling to get

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Speaker 2: off the ground as of right now. I almost think

719
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Speaker 2: we've we said this a lot, so you guys probably

720
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Speaker 2: think we're being a little redundan at this point. But

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Speaker 2: there's almost addition by some attraction with getting rid of

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Speaker 2: Dom Smith. As much as that sucks as goes, we've

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Speaker 2: seen him play as much fun as he is in

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Speaker 2: his locker room, how well respected, he very clearly is

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Speaker 2: by his teammates. There's just so many things that become

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00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: available to the Mets if Dom Smith is not here anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he takes up a spot that can

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Speaker 1: unfortunately be filled by almost anybody. And then we can

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Speaker 1: actually have someone who we need, Like we need a

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Speaker 1: backup shortstop.

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Speaker 2: Still.

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Speaker 1: We love lou Gie or May he's our king, Yeah,

733
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Speaker 1: but we need we need a sh backup shortstop because

734
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Speaker 1: he's he's not the guy. He's the second base, third base,

735
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Speaker 1: scrappy guy, pinch it or off the bench. We need it.

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Speaker 1: We need a job of the VR we do.

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Speaker 2: We just need the best backup infielder who can do

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Speaker 2: more things back in the midfield, who can hit better

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Speaker 2: thank you or again and play short side. Just and

740
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: they only have so many bench spots in this team teams.

741
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: The team will be carrying twelve or thirteen pitchers almost

742
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: every day this year. The bench will be less of

743
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: a concern with the DH. But it's just very important

744
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: to have Major League death in case something goes wrong.

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00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: Yes, which we know as Mets fans is always a possibility. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth noting too that the Mets Antonio

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Speaker 1: Santos reliever as well, who might have a shot at

748
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Speaker 1: making it in the camp as a as a last

749
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Speaker 1: relief arm too. So we've seen the Mets kind of

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00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: been looking to the relief market being a little more

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say optimistic, but a little more

752
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Speaker 1: aggressive in guys that they could be going after.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're going after guys who we kind of

754
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Speaker 2: predicted this, guys who are more off of the raidar

755
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: in terms of a relief market. They're getting these couple

756
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: million dollar guys rather than shelling out for someone with

757
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: more guaranteed money, possibly more years. They're not committing much

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00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: to any of these relievers, which is exactly where you

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00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: want to sit in terms of the relief market. And

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Speaker 2: the Santos he sits ninety six, so like I'll sign

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Speaker 2: any reliever he sits ninety six. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: There we got clarification by Trevor. Maybe, by the way,

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Speaker 1: saying goodbye to your friends that lived three thousand miles

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Speaker 1: away for you from for seven months of the year

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00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: seems fairly straightforward to me. So goddamn it, Trevor, don't

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Speaker 1: scare us like that. Man. That's an ominous.

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00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Tweet that's on this tweet that guy said that though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I think he realized maybe when he

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Speaker 1: read it he was like, I have.

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Speaker 2: To read this again. Well think a lot of replies

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Speaker 2: like what happened? Who'd you trade? Where's Jeff? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like, please don't tweet that out when baseball just starts.

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Speaker 1: That's terrified.

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Speaker 2: No, and we're not going to address the bratt Hand

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Speaker 2: rumors right.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, god, I I would rather have I would

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Speaker 1: rather lose my hand than get Brad Hand.

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Speaker 2: Quick get then writing no.

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Speaker 1: That, but for content, I'll say it. Oh man, I

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Speaker 1: just he I don't care how well he pitched.

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Speaker 2: I know people think he pitched well, just simply didn't

782
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: watch His stuff is bad. Every time he got people out.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be almost an accident.

784
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's actually, like ever going to

785
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: pitch decent again. There's no way.

786
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Speaker 2: And even if he does, I would be much more

787
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Speaker 2: happy if it wasn't this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let brad Hand go and try to be good

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Speaker 1: with someone else. I don't want it to be with

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Speaker 1: the Mets. I can't watch him. I won't do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna boo hit. I don't want to see brad

792
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Speaker 1: Hand on the mound. I don't care he's ass he's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I'll give a hand for a Hand's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be interesting week for the Mets. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways they can go. And I don't really believe

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Speaker 2: Billy Euppler when he says I'd be fairly surprised if

797
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Speaker 2: we went after another bat at this juncture.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it either.

799
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Speaker 2: Seam feels right for another bat And the only one

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Speaker 2: that makes sense really is Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber would be so sick in this lineup. Man

802
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Speaker 1: put him at DH H. That lineup. When you put

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Speaker 1: Kyle schwarbrat DH, you legitimately go where do we hit everybody?

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00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? And like like where like in the order? You mean?

805
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Like what like what is the order? Because

806
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Speaker 1: we have a lot of really good hitters.

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Speaker 2: It'd be fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: That means, like, let's just let's just theory craft, right,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is in the lineup. You have Nimo and

810
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Speaker 1: Marte who have to hit top of the order, right, Like,

811
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: where else can I.

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Speaker 2: Think there'd be a world where if you get Schwarbur,

813
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: one of them won't Like I think you basically have

814
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Speaker 2: to pick one of those guys to move down because

815
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Speaker 2: you probably it'll probably be Neimo, because I don't think

816
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Speaker 2: they're gonna start the lineup with two lefties unless you

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Speaker 2: go Wownimo, Lindore Schwarber, Pete Pete, Marte.

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Canna yeah, and then and then Escobar.

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00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: You basically have a second top of the order in Marte, Cana, Escobar, McNeil.

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00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Which is that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That'd be such a good lineup, almost crazy.

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Speaker 1: Think about how deep that we just named what eight

823
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Speaker 1: guys that are all legitimately good hitters, and then McCann

824
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Speaker 1: hits ninth of who the fuck cares?

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00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: The Mets will be able to start every single game

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Speaker 2: with four hitters who are going to have like a

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Speaker 2: three sixty on base percentage.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's that's run shit like they need. Schwarber

829
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Speaker 1: is a game changer for this lineup. Game changer you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about because we talked about the SWOL

831
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: and power rankings have started to come out, and I

832
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: know you felt like the Mets at five was a

833
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: little bit high.

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Speaker 2: That was before Bassett.

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Speaker 1: That was before Bassett. To be fair, that is true,

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00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: but you want to talk about the Mets really really

837
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: really being dangerous. That college Ford Batman that moves that

838
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: that makes the Mets a legit World Series contender with

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Speaker 1: that lineup on paper, of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think the way Steve was talking today

841
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Speaker 2: in that same press conference, it seems like he's ready

842
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: to not really care about that tax because he said

843
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: it was like an honor to have the Steve Cohen

844
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Speaker 2: Tax named after him. He said we really shouldn't have

845
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: that much of a problem with going past it, and

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Speaker 2: he said he thinks having a tax named after him

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Speaker 2: was better than having a bridge named after him or

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Speaker 2: something like that.

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Speaker 1: I love Steve Cohen.

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Speaker 2: I love Steve Cohen too.

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Speaker 1: Did you see when he tweeted yesterday after the best

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00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: thing happened? He's like, oh, what's going on, guys.

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00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm happy he's tweeting again. It was kind of good

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00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: that the owners were able to rein him in and

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00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: not have him tweet during the turning the lockout. Yeah,

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: but this is a good spot where we need right now.

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: Good spot, good problems, good issues to be having here

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Speaker 1: with the Mets, because these aren't actually issues. These are

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Speaker 1: all things that we would love to keep adding on

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Speaker 1: to this team. We're in a really good place. Chris

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Bassett was a huge addition, Adam Ounavino's a sneaky addition,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we add a little bit more here, don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have anything else really to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Right with the Mets hit every single thing on my list,

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Speaker 1: pretty quick and easy, Episode number seventy eight of the

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Speaker 1: Mets Up Podcast. As always, guys, thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: and watching however you do it. Make sure you follow

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, metstup. Uh, if you're listening

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Speaker 1: to us Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, wherever you find us,

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to listen and make sure you drops

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Speaker 1: rating and review as well. It really just help us out.

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Speaker 2: Also, we just learned about Apple podcast analytics. We haven't

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Speaker 2: been tracking that we had. We we had double more

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Speaker 2: than double listeners that we ever knew we have for

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Speaker 2: this entire last year. So we're gonna have to ask

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Speaker 2: everyone to subscribe, download the episodes and an unsubscribed and

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Speaker 2: resubscribe again. If you listen, if you're if you're Apple listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, uh definitely give us some love there. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you follow James on Twitter. At youar had no

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Speaker 1: range me at raffnick Mark to worry. To wrap it up, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the weekly schedule still for now,

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Speaker 1: but if anything new happens, we will drop episodes. So

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Speaker 1: if we get any new names.

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Speaker 2: I love how you're saying that, and we just did

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Speaker 2: two episodes in three days.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I just I'm letting the people know we're still

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Speaker 1: on the weekly schedule, but if something comes up, we

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Speaker 1: will interject in the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both the boys are traveling this week, but we're

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Speaker 2: still gonna do everything we can. I if news, if

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Speaker 2: real news drops, we'll be back here. But if not,

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Speaker 2: expect something maybe later ish the week or possible next Monday.

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Speaker 2: But we'll we're easy to reach. Tweet us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be around. We'll be talking Mets if there's

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Speaker 1: anything to talk about. Guys, So thanks for listening again.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you on the next episode of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Peace out, peace out, guys.

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Speaker 2: To see you next time. H m hm A