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Speaker 1: children remain missing their mother. Cult mum Lorie Valo has

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Speaker 1: just appeared in court again demanding a lower bond, demanding

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Speaker 1: of her too missing children, JJ and TYLEI. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. While a cult mom,

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo is very concerned about her own well being

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Speaker 1: and her own release and lowered bond from behind bars,

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Speaker 1: the last hours, her mother and sister have broken their

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Speaker 1: silence and they are insisting that Laurie never expressed Laurie

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Speaker 1: Valo cult mom resentment toward her children. That Lorie Valo

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Speaker 1: back together again. Ashue Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Court TV

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Speaker 1: anchor at Ashue Wilcott dot com, Karen Start, New York

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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karenstart dot com, director of the Cold Case

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Speaker 1: Research Institute, and forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, Professor of Forensics

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, death

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Speaker 1: investigator Joe Scott Morgan. But right now to Nate Eton,

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Speaker 1: reporter with East Idaho News dot com. Nate on the

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Speaker 1: story from the get go, Nate, help me out. I've

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Speaker 1: been in many, many jails, and nothing would stop you

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Speaker 1: from writing. If you think you're being recorded, which you

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Speaker 1: are during visitations. Everybody knows that that's not secret. You

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Speaker 1: this is all just bogus, these sisters saying Laurie can't

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Speaker 1: not only that, Nancy Laurie was not booked into jail

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Speaker 1: Our friend, Nate Eton, just running alongside Laurie Valo cult

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Speaker 1: Curious that Laurie Valo cult mom had ordered a beach

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Speaker 1: chan Day Bell looked on, her defense attorney complained Valo

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Speaker 1: Bells said at one million dollars if release, Valo will

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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot com Nate Eton. So many things

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Speaker 1: her bail again. It's already been slides from five million

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Speaker 1: Laurie Vala claims she's being secretly recorded. Explain well, her

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that the nephew of Laurie said

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Speaker 1: when he first learned all of these religious beliefs, he said,

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Speaker 1: it was like a Dungeons and Dragons manual. It was

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Speaker 1: so bizarre. Two. Nate Eytan joining me from East Idahoanews

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Speaker 1: dot com. What can you tell me about a new

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Speaker 1: investigation into the death of Lorie Valows or third husband Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan. I believe, Yeah, Well, we know that Joseph

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Speaker 1: Ryan died of what was said to be a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: Who said that? Who said that? That was written on

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Speaker 1: the autopsy reporter, So he was autopsy came out okay,

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Speaker 1: and then he was immediately cremated. He was cremated. But

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing is that his body was not found.

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Speaker 1: He died and then but they didn't get to his

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Speaker 1: body within like a week or two because he was

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Speaker 1: living alone, nobody knew where he was. So there are

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Speaker 1: some questions being raised as to what happens to the

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Speaker 1: body if you're left alone for a week or two,

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Speaker 1: you know, does it It could could whatever's in your

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Speaker 1: system happened, you know. I'm not sure. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: medical expert, but that is a focus now And there

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Speaker 1: are some questions being raised as did Lorie have a

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Speaker 1: part of that At the time they were separated, they

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Speaker 1: were not together. It had been a nasty, nasty dispute,

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Speaker 1: divorced dispute, and he did he have a life insurance policy?

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Speaker 1: And where did that money go? That's a great question. Well,

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Speaker 1: another issue regarding that is that Tyley is Tyley Ryan.

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Speaker 1: That was Joseph Ryan's bio daughter Rick, So what's the

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Speaker 1: connection there? And we've been told his death cod was

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Speaker 1: an apparent heart attack. We've also been told that Tammy

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Speaker 1: day Belt died of natural causes in her sleep. We

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Speaker 1: still don't know why VAL's brother Alex Cox died. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of dead bodies connected to her.

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Speaker 1: Day Belt. But now we learned that the FBI is

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Speaker 1: reportedly investigating the death of Lorie Valo's third husband, Joseph Ryan.

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Speaker 1: If it was an apparent heart attack, why would they

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Speaker 1: be investigating it? That is your domain to Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: death investigator. What about it? It seems like she's like

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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the angel of death. It's like everywhere she goes, it

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Speaker 1: seems like people pass away. Looking back on this, what

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Speaker 1: are they going to have to examine at this moment

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Speaker 1: in time Unless tissue samples were saved from the autopsy.

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Speaker 1: Just like Nate had said, he had been down for

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Speaker 1: a while when they found him, So that means that

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Speaker 1: whatever tissues they did recover from him would have been compromised. Also,

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Speaker 1: did they do toxicology at that time and would that

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Speaker 1: have been compromised relative to decomposition, The fluids actually decomposed

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Speaker 1: to a certain degree. So I'm wondering what they found

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Speaker 1: in his system at that point in time. There's a

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Speaker 1: standard panel. They'll look for things like heroin and you know,

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Speaker 1: cannabinoids and all those things. But as standard policy, they

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Speaker 1: don't look for exotic poisons. They don't look for heavy metals.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, so we're still going to be

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Speaker 1: left scratching our head over his death. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you what has been reported in the wake of JJ

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Speaker 1: Entailey's disappearance. Family members are concerned over the fact that

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Speaker 1: not one, but two of Laurie Valo's husbands have died

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Speaker 1: in the last two years. That's quite the coincident. One

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Speaker 1: relative says that Joseph's death age fifty nine, after he died,

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Speaker 1: Laurie called him quote evil and that quote God took

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Speaker 1: care of him, and says that Laurie Valo did collect

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Speaker 1: money from his life insurance policy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the recent developments in the case of

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Speaker 1: so called cult mom. Laurie Valo just in court demanding

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Speaker 1: a bond reduction. Straight back out to Nate Eaton with

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Speaker 1: the East Idahoo News dot Com. Nate, at this point,

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Speaker 1: why would she lie about Tyley being registered in college

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Speaker 1: when that's not true and attending classes? I mean, why

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Speaker 1: lie about it if it's not a nefarious outcome? That's

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. There has been some indication that

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Speaker 1: Laurie continued to receive money to Tyley's account along with

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Speaker 1: JJ's account, and she was getting money herself as a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote single mother. So would that have stopped the

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Speaker 1: money coming in if she reported them missing? If she,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Heaven forbid Tyley was dead, obviously the

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Speaker 1: money would stop there. So she was continuing to collect

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Speaker 1: these finances. And one would think if if she really

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Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, hide them away in a bunker

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Speaker 1: or do something, why wait in jail for two three

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Speaker 1: four months? Why not say go to the judge. You

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Speaker 1: know they in the beginning they said, just show us

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Speaker 1: a picture, have them hold up a face time with us,

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Speaker 1: have them hold up a newspaper with a day's date.

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Speaker 1: That's all we want to show us they're alive and

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Speaker 1: this can all be resolved. And to this date she

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Speaker 1: has not done that. Two Ash Willcott judge by a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: court TV anchor. When I look at her behavior, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's hard for me to imagine a mom hurting

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Speaker 1: her children. On the other hand, when you don't know

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Speaker 1: a horse, look at the track cracker, everybody around her

514
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: drops like flies. Couldn't a judge take her in camera

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Speaker 1: with just her lawyer and have her pretties proof that

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Speaker 1: children aren't alive? If the state agreed to that absolutely,

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Speaker 1: so you can't do any expertee. Obviously, you know that

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Speaker 1: if the state agreed, then yes, that could be an

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Speaker 1: option for proof of life. Let's call it that, because

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Speaker 1: we need to know that children are safe. It's not doctored,

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Speaker 1: but I think the state would want to know that

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Speaker 1: as well, because remember their googal as you well know,

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Speaker 1: having been a prosecutor, is to prosecute the criminals. And

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Speaker 1: so maybe the children are safe, but it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: she hasn't violated a court order. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: she hasn't done anything inappropriate or amounting to a criminal act.

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Speaker 1: But at this point, as a judge, I would want

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Speaker 1: any kind of truth verification these children are safe. That's

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Speaker 1: my ultimate concern. Yeah, the state wants to know a

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Speaker 1: lot of things, but the state doesn't get to know.

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Speaker 1: The crux of this case is where are the children?

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Speaker 1: Are they dead or alive? Are they safe? And I

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Speaker 1: believe is she could go in camera and I'm very

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Speaker 1: surprised her lawyer didn't suggest this or did he and

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Speaker 1: she rejected it. Have an in camera, which means in

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Speaker 1: chambers in secret, revealed to the judge that the children

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Speaker 1: are safe and be done with it and let her

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Speaker 1: out of jail. That doesn't mean the current charges don't

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Speaker 1: still stand, but she could at least wait outside of jail.

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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton joined me from East Idaho News dot Com.

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Speaker 1: What else is the latest? Tell me what else is

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Speaker 1: happening in the case. I understand that the autopsy on

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Speaker 1: the value brother Alex Cox is due any day that

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Speaker 1: it's being completed. Yeah, I'm imagining it will probably be

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Speaker 1: next week at the earliest. We're also waiting on that

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Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell autopsy. But we also know that the

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Speaker 1: state Attorney General here in Idaho has taken over the

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Speaker 1: investigation into Tammy's death regarding Chat and Laurie, and that

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Speaker 1: investigation focuses on conspiracy, attempted murder, and murder, and from

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, they may be able to go forward

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Speaker 1: with that case without the autopsy, meaning there's got to

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Speaker 1: be a significant amount of evidence for them to pursue

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Speaker 1: that if they say we're just going to go without

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Speaker 1: the autopsy and hopefully that will come back and confirm

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00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: what we have, So again, night because as very significant. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what we do know is the AG is investigating Chat

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Speaker 1: and Laurie for conspiracy, attempted murder and murder, and that

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Speaker 1: that case could go forward with or without Tammy Day

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Speaker 1: Bell's autopsy. Meaning if they're going to go after them

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: for their for those crimes, they've got to have enough

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Speaker 1: evidence that says, forget the autopsy, we're going to do

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00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: this or and ornate thank it through to its logical conclusion,

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: or they know what the autopsy reveals, and the autopsy

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Speaker 1: reveals nothing. If that's true, they could go there's on

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00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: your premise they could go forward with conspiracy to commit murder,

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Speaker 1: attempted murder, and murder even though the autopsy really reveals nothing,

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Speaker 1: which means the cod cause of death was somehow obscured.

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Speaker 1: That of course, yep, that that is a possibility, and

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Speaker 1: they are. The evidence in this case, from what I've

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Speaker 1: been told, is strong, very strong. A lot of evidence

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Speaker 1: in the cloud, a lot of text messages which we've

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Speaker 1: seen have come out, emails which we've seen have gradually

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Speaker 1: been leaked. Lori the computers. Do you mean the Amazon

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Speaker 1: order that the Amazon order yet when they ordered the

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Speaker 1: ring on October second, seventeen days before Tammy day Bell died,

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00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Lorie orders a ring that then appears in her wedding

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Speaker 1: photos with Chad. We have that surveillance footage where her

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Speaker 1: and Chad were at the storage facility October second, and

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Speaker 1: he grabs her butt. And he's still married to Tammy.

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Speaker 1: So all of these things, all of these technological why

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Speaker 1: did you put that in my head? Sorry? Now I

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Speaker 1: gotta think about it. Sorry, I'll send you the Dame's

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Speaker 1: Day author Chad Daybil grabbing cult mom's rear end in

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Speaker 1: ps in this house, we don't say. But okay, but

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Speaker 1: that said, I didn't catch that. I just saw them

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Speaker 1: going in and out of the store, the stories facility.

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Speaker 1: I was focused on the fact that there were children's toys, clothing,

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Speaker 1: winter clothing. I might add that they would need wherever

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Speaker 1: they are. But you picked up on him grabbing her

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Speaker 1: rear end. We got enhanced footage that shows very clearly,

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Speaker 1: uh that, I'll send it to you. I'll send you.

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: I'll send you. That makes me feel nasty. It was

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00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: telling because he was still married to Tammy Day Bell

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: and she was still healthy and alive. And you know

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Speaker 1: what was her what was her date of death, Tammy Daymell.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell died October nineteenth, and she would have turned fifty.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't all holding hands and singing hymns. Is

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Speaker 1: that what you're telling me? I would it looked like

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Speaker 1: it was more than that, you know what? To you?

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Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, Never

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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: a dull day in crime Ville. Can we agree on that? Absolutely?

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00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: No question, jump in. I gotta hear what you got.

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Speaker 1: What you have to say, Well, Nancy, there's just so much.

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00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: But you know, think about the last six months with

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Speaker 1: these children, when they've been different, and you think there's

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Speaker 1: been no visits to a doctor, there's been no travel

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00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: on an airplane. They tally isn't driving a car, nobody's registering,

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Speaker 1: anybody's from school. I don't know what's been done with

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: tax returns, but you think, basically, these children have stopped existing.

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Speaker 1: So if in fact they're okay, you've got a woman

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00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: that's being charged with deserting them and abandoning them. And

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00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: both of those charges carried fourteen years. So if you're

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00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: looking at twenty eight years, and all you've got to

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00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: do is say, look, there will be someone that is

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: religiously affiliated with me. They are safe, they are fine.

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Speaker 1: Here's the person. I've given that information to my attorney,

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Speaker 1: one police officer, and my attorney can go check on them,

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00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: come back say yep, they're fine. I mean, Tyley's going

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Speaker 1: to be an adult too. And but you're telling me

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00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: that there's been no insurance with JJ, nobody's taking care

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Speaker 1: of his medical needs, nobody's taking care of their schooling.

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00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: All of this is a problem. And you've got a

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Speaker 1: mom that's a boom's there and she has, out of

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00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: her own mouth, said Tyley's dead. You know what, that's

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00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: a good point. Would you discuss that place? One person said, hey,

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: where is she? And she calls them, oh, she died

627
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: a while back. So any mother would let that statement

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Speaker 1: come out of their mouth. There may be a little

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Speaker 1: truth in it. The other issues that I've got is

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Speaker 1: Uncle Alex. So Uncle Alex kills one of the husbands

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00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: when he shows up to pick up JJ. Well that's

632
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: pretty traumatic, but that's the uncle. The uncle then threatens

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00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: another husband with a taser. Alex was also in Wyoming

634
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: at Yellowstone with him. So you've got Arizona, you got Wyoman,

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00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: you got Idaho, you got all these things where Alex

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Speaker 1: keeps coming up And now digitally, forensically, there's a footprint

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Speaker 1: with him being connected to Tammy. And now suddenly Alex

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Speaker 1: is dead too, So all of these people that might

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Speaker 1: be able to testify against her, they gone, You know,

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Speaker 1: to reporter Nate Eaton, who's been on the case from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. East Idaho News dot Com, Nate sum it

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Speaker 1: up for me. Where do we stand right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: in July there will be the preliminary hearing for Laurie.

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Speaker 1: That's when the prosecution will need to go in and

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Speaker 1: say this is all of the evidence I've got, is

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Speaker 1: why we need to go to a jury. There will

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Speaker 1: be witnesses called. He has submitted a list of forty

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Speaker 1: eight potential witnesses and on that list is Chad day Bell.

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Speaker 1: Won't that be interesting if they called Chad to the

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Speaker 1: stand and say what do you know about these missing children?

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Speaker 1: That'll be the next big step for Laurie unless they

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Speaker 1: ask for another bond reduction hearing, which I don't think

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Speaker 1: will happen again it's already been denied. Meanwhile, we're waiting

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Speaker 1: on the autopsy for Alex, We're waiting on the autopsy

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Speaker 1: for Tammy, and the state Attorney General will continue their

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Speaker 1: investigation into the potential murder charges that could come in

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Speaker 1: relation to Tammy. So the preliminary hearing moving forward in

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Speaker 1: July where in the state plans to call forty eight

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Speaker 1: witnesses regards the current five charges against called Molauri Vali

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Speaker 1: yes or no, Nate eighten Yes, that's it. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: desertion charges. The desertion the two felony desertion charges, the

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Speaker 1: one obstruction line to police, the one obstruction not producing

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Speaker 1: the chi in court, and the one obstruction of trying

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Speaker 1: to convince another party to lie about the children's whereabouts.

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Speaker 1: Those are the three charges pending now. They're not murdered charges,

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Speaker 1: but the state is pressing forward. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Tipline two zero eight three five nine three thousand, repeat

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Speaker 1: two zero eight three five nine three thousand. If you're

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Speaker 1: hiding those children, you are an accessory to a felony.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,