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Speaker 1: Brand institudes. All that's okay, becaus no one here is

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to teen Beat. I am your host, Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 1: your guide for a weekly journey into awkward teenage years

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Speaker 1: and embarrassing childhood stories that have somehow teamed up to

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Speaker 1: create a powerhouse influence on who we are today. Every week,

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Speaker 1: I sit down with interesting people who've done interesting things,

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Speaker 1: in hopes of connecting in this commonality. Knowing that the

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Speaker 1: stories of our past have shaped our blueprints of today.

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Speaker 1: And since I shared my youth with millions of TV

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Speaker 1: viewers living in public from twelve to nineteen years years old,

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Speaker 1: it's time to turn the tables. I see it like this.

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Speaker 1: I gave you my childhood. It's time we hear yours

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Speaker 1: and guys. If I had my brothers, this podcast would

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Speaker 1: be about one thing, and one thing only, something I'm

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Speaker 1: already always talking about. No, not Boy Meets World, not

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Speaker 1: the finicky nature of the sneakers app not even my

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Speaker 1: local topanga mal. It would be about late nineties, early

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Speaker 1: just about anyone willing to listen that this was peak

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Speaker 1: time for the genre, especially when it comes to strong

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Speaker 1: talented women who are still thriving in the industry. Mary

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Speaker 1: J Bli, Jaliah Brandy, Missy, Destiny's Child, s WV Alicia Keys, Ashanti, Monica, TLC,

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Speaker 1: Escape and Vogue, Faith Evans, Adina Howard, Kalise. The list

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Speaker 1: a pivotal member of this sorority. She's a triple threat who,

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Speaker 1: as a child, began her career in dance as a

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Speaker 1: a style in which she'd study under and later with,

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Speaker 1: Crispin Glover. But it was her voice that landed her

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Speaker 1: an Innerscope record deal in the mid to late nineties,

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Speaker 1: resulting in her double platinum self titled debut featuring collaborations

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Speaker 1: Missy Elliott, and her song on the Bulwarth soundtrack Ghetto

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Speaker 1: Superstar featuring Praz and the Late Old Dirty Bastard, earned

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Speaker 1: her second album, also platinum, nineteen ninety nine's Fear of

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Speaker 1: Flying and the single case of the X that real

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Speaker 1: Grammy winning Moulin Rouge possecut Lady Marmalade with Christina Aguilera,

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Speaker 1: kids will still be blasting. And don't even get me

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Speaker 1: started on how good she made a rugrat song and

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Speaker 1: she's nowhere near done. Her tenth studio album, Retrospect, was

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Speaker 1: just independently released, marking a new journey for the singer,

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Speaker 1: and it features Snoop Dogg, two Short and twenty one Savage,

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Speaker 1: as a veteran in the game with a sound influenced

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Speaker 1: by seventies and eighties soul mixed with modern day hip

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Speaker 1: hop roots. I am honored to welcome my former twenty

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Speaker 1: one Hottest Stars Under twenty one partner in a nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine issue of teen People. MAYA good to see you,

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Speaker 1: and it's only been four years. We're twenty five now, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're about that exactly.

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Speaker 1: So good to see you. This really does feel like

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Speaker 1: a reunion of a teen people.

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Speaker 2: Shoot, my goodness.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing that picture for the first time and thinking,

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Speaker 1: was that was that the best picture of me they

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Speaker 1: could find? I look very much like a deer in headlights.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not the only one, because I was

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Speaker 2: thinking the exact same. You didn't like it of you either, No,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I think we're cuter than this. But you know, listen,

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Speaker 2: You know, some things you just have no clue about.

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Speaker 2: You just show up and go. But I was in

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Speaker 2: And I did, however, get to work with the iconic

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so you're like, oh, this is a great

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Speaker 2: I learned that night that he was also a libra.

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Speaker 2: Oh I have a libra as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you guys connected over that.

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Speaker 2: He works very similar to myself. It's very quiet until

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Speaker 1: But I want specifically for this song. When you first

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Speaker 2: And that's actually when he became my fan, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I could literally make a whole podcast just

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Speaker 1: about take me there. Do you have any memories from

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Speaker 2: I do so. Jamie King the iconic choreographer. He's worked

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Speaker 2: I remember he choreographed this video, okay, and I learned

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you to teach me that xylophone part.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the movie Big Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what was in your home at Yeah,

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Speaker 1: superstars you have collaborated with. Check Out this list. It

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Speaker 1: might be the best list out there. Swizz Beats, Babyface,

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Speaker 1: Tricky Stewart, Rodney Jerkins, and Scott Storch. And that's truly

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Speaker 1: just a tease of your entire roster. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: Who blew you away the most from a producer standpoint?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well, Tricky Stewart is an instrumentalist. He

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Speaker 2: knows how to play instruments. Yeah, and I've watched him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seeing there be nothing, truly nothing, and then someone

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Speaker 2: He's also a comedian. He brings it to his creation

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Speaker 2: I bet lots of good stories, backstories.

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Speaker 1: Is there a producer out there that you haven't worked

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Speaker 1: with yet that you're still dying to work with?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's not with us anymore, but I'd always wanted

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Speaker 2: So I would really like to work with Babyface. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's manifest that for you. Yes, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Maya in DC. Dad

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Speaker 2: Since I was born? I had a baby picture, she

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Speaker 2: and my mom is teaching me how to play piano.

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Speaker 2: Her dad orchestrated for orchestras. He wrote all of the

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Speaker 1: You started dancing at a very young age, but you

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Speaker 1: also played violin and obviously you sang. It was like

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Speaker 2: not get again, so let's go for it. College is

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Speaker 1: Correct sees it sees that chance. Like I said, we

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Speaker 1: you are a very sweet, relatively soft spoken person. But

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Speaker 1: musically you have always commanded such a presence on stage.

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Speaker 1: You are anything but shy. There is that how you've

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Speaker 1: always been. Is that your libra personality?

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Speaker 2: Yes? So my parents are polar opposite, okay, but they

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Speaker 2: the accountant. She's sown my costumes. She's so great with organization.

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Speaker 2: My dad not so much. But he's the creator and

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Speaker 2: understands spending and investment and you know, aesthetics. Yeah, all

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Speaker 2: your parents. And you're right, you need both sides, yes,

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Speaker 1: In this industry.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was before the record deal, Okay, knew we

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Speaker 2: But I was also an artist just like herself, sketching

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Speaker 1: Investing in yourself. Again, everything you're saying, I keep hearing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun. It wasn't even investment to me.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a toy, but for fun and your career.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? There was a live audience and there's nothing like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, give and receive the exchange, the energy. Seeing

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Speaker 2: the supporters. It's electric when you're just a spectator watching

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Speaker 1: Do you have any memorable stories from a trol Yes?

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Speaker 2: What viral a couple of years ago? Odb Okay Prize

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Speaker 2: What it is? What is it that you would like

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Speaker 1: Did you say anything? Did you like?

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Speaker 2: We just all burst out laughing, all of us, the

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Speaker 2: it wasn't even nicely said nothing. That's how I said,

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Speaker 1: Not modeled at my lab or anything.

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Speaker 2: Just nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love it so much. I found

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Speaker 2: I remember clearly, and I remember all the reactions in

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Speaker 2: the faces. I don't know if they edited it to

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Speaker 2: My love is like whoa, Yes, cocky era just very

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Speaker 2: That was I think a shocking moment for myself, but

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Speaker 1: Every again, enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can do it while you can.

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Speaker 1: I also stumbled upon a picture from the two thousand

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Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with her?

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Speaker 2: We done a couple of different shows together. We were

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Speaker 2: I think they were called fanzines, Okay, yeah, time where

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Speaker 2: It was more so a work associate out of respect,

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Speaker 1: So you signed to Interscope Records at nineteen, pretty quickly,

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Speaker 2: Well, I was actually in the orchestra and choir, gospel choir, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Some of the inspirations were Gregory Hines, who I'd seen

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Speaker 2: my mom, my dad, and I was always doing something

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Speaker 2: and so were your.

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Speaker 1: Parents involved in your career still at that time, like

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it's really wild. As I was in high

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Speaker 2: They invested in me to do that. That was actually

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Speaker 2: all of the chops and what we were doing business

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00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: in a very boutique way. But at the release of

435
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: my very first single, they got divorced.

436
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Wrench in the system.

437
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that didn't work out, and you know, I

438
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: found myself being managed by those that I didn't know. Okay,

439
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: they were strangers, and you know, divorces can be taxing,

440
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: and so neither one of them were kind of capable

441
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: at the time to really be engolfed. Yeah, the business

442
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: of maya.

443
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: Yes, and it is all encompassing, especially at the beginning

444
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: when you're getting started and it's meetings and phone calls

445
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: and appointments and yeah, and you're going through a divorce.

446
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: Guess what, there's not a lot of time for thinking

447
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: about all.

448
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my mom has always remained my accountant and

449
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: watched the books since so.

450
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Great my mom was. My mom was that person for

451
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: me too, and she was meticulous about it. Yes, she

452
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: was always so worried that I'd ever have a reason

453
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: to suspect that something had been mismanaged, and so she

454
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: kept every paste ub I mean, just meticulous records of

455
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: everything in case I ever needed it. I never needed it,

456
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: but it is. It's we're lucky.

457
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: There are horror stories, true horror stories. Yes, very fortunate.

458
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: Yes, you have somehow also been able to avoid being

459
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: gossip fodder for nearly three decades. You've kept to yourself

460
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: and you've honestly you've lived a relatively private life. Let's

461
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: say you were just starting out in twenty twenty six

462
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: and social media and content creation is so important. Do

463
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: you think you could do it.

464
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: I think I could do it with the faith that

465
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: I've been rooted in in any timeline, any world. I think,

466
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: of course today would be a lot tougher, but I

467
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: would I would want a mentor for myself, Okay that

468
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: has walked this business and walked the shop of an entertainer,

469
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: experience the highs, the lows, and devastations to guide me

470
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: and hold my hand along the way. Because it's a

471
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: different time that we're living in with oversaturation and sensory

472
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: overload and mental health awareness i'd say is at the forefront,

473
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: which is great because we didn't have those discussions back then.

474
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: But I think my parents exposed me to so much

475
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: for a long time. It instilled so many values, which

476
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: is why I am a huge advocate of the arts

477
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: and sports or any programs for youth so that you

478
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: can get through this thing called life, regardless of the

479
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: time or the era. But I think mentors are very important.

480
00:28:49,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Let's get into Lady Marmalague. This

481
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: obviously is just heavy hitter central and you are all

482
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: so talented. Do you remember the pitch for it? And

483
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: how did you find yourself on the song?

484
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Yes? The managers that I had at the time, they

485
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: were in touch with the record label Interscope, and they

486
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: mentioned it without too many details. I was familiar with

487
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: the song, of course, and of course the names. I

488
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: just said, yes, of course, I'm a fan of everyone,

489
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: and I didn't think twice about it. And there we

490
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: were laying our backgrounds together in California one day, and

491
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: then we cut our leads separately. But I was a

492
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: fan of everyone, including the producers. Yeah. So it was

493
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: a match made in heaven and it was a lot

494
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: of fun. I'm noticing a.

495
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Little with you that's so important, which is that when

496
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: an opportunity that sounds exciting to you comes about, you

497
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: don't overthink it. You seize it immediately. You go, hey,

498
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: there's a record label right out of high school. This

499
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: is unexpected. Yes, and Lady Marvelot, Yes, and it's really

500
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: paid off for you. The trusting your instincts and trusting

501
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: your gut. Is that something that your parents have nurtured

502
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: in you? Is that something is trusting your intuition something

503
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that's important to you.

504
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: Yes, my parents have everything to do with that. I'd

505
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: say there was a lot of fear and intimidation or

506
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: insecurity in my childhood uncertainty okay, but the art's definitely

507
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: taught me. Teamwork, of course taught me that you just

508
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: go for it. Yeah, you might make a mistake, you

509
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: might fall in your face eight times in front of

510
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: the world, but there's a lesson to be learned. You

511
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: actually get to be better the next time, and you're

512
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: not alone, right, you know, So go for it? Why regret?

513
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Why not? So I've seen the improvement, and I think

514
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: I've had opportunities that prove time and time again that

515
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: you know, you might suck at something first, but if

516
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: you have a little bit of resilience and perseverance and can.

517
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Take good.

518
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: The criticism a lot the way, yeah you might just

519
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: get good at it or be great one day. Just

520
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: hang in there. Yeah, so you all.

521
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: Laid some of your tracks together. You did the independent

522
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: the solos separately, Yes, but Lady Marvel, you're all in

523
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: the same room. Did it just feel special immediately? I

524
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that it didn't sound like

525
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: a Grammy winner from just the very first get go.

526
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't even thinking Grammy. I was honestly thinking,

527
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: oh this is for a film, How cool? Soundtracks. Oh,

528
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: this video is going to be amazing. Gas movie is

529
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: a little bit different than music money, and I'm so

530
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: excited for that. So I wasn't really thinking Grammy because

531
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: I didn't even know at the time that sound songs

532
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: on soundtracks could get be dominated for Grammys, you know, Yeah,

533
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: I was still new.

534
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's so crazy that then being

535
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: nominated for Grammy isn't eve Yeah, which makes sense. You're

536
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: thinking a movie, movie, money video. Grammy's like the last

537
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: thing on your mind. I had mentioned your class of

538
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: R and B singers from the late nineties early two thousands,

539
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: and it is stacked with talent who impressed you. Was

540
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: there anyone that you were like a big fan of

541
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: from your peer group?

542
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Of course, I have to think about it from my

543
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: pear girl. Oh yeah, Usher, m yeah, I'd work with

544
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: Usher for the Michael Jackson thirtieth anniversary tribute. Yep, okay,

545
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: And you're just very focused. He's also a libra, such

546
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: a special place in your life. Yeah. My production partner

547
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: for this new album is a libra. Snoop is a libra.

548
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: There are a lot of folks twenty one savages a libra. Yeah,

549
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: Lira's an I work so well together, lots of creative energy. Yeah,

550
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, who think about Yes, Usher is a great one.

551
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: So Usher, Yeah, I thought he was very focused driven.

552
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: He was so young when he stepped into this business,

553
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: probably about fourteen, yeah, maybe even younger when he recorded

554
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: his first album and growing up in front of the world. Yeah,

555
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: but of course cardio dancing and singing are two different

556
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: types of breath work, and he mastered that so young.

557
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: And to see him in rehearsals, but also see him

558
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: perform at Esson Square Garden with no fear, oh like yay,

559
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: like where this? Yeah, I was highly impressed. Michael Jackson

560
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: was in the room really joying our rehearsals. Whitney Houston

561
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: was there, Oh my gosh, Timid and yes, you're just

562
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: having it all. So I was so impressed with free energy.

563
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: So do you think when you perform, because no one

564
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: would ever think you're nervous watching you perform. Do you

565
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: are you putting on a character in order to be

566
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: able to do it? Are you nervous inside?

567
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: I think we all are a bit nervous because so

568
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: many things can go wrong. Huh. And when it's in

569
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: front of an arena crowd, something that's actually being taped

570
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: or filmed or live. I get so nervous inside when

571
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: something is airing live because there's no room for mistakes.

572
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: Gotta do it with millions watching Dancing with the Stars.

573
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: Was that every single week for me? And I'm a dan.

574
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea how you did not win

575
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. Can we can we just for

576
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: a moment talk about how you're the best dancer to

577
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: have ever been on Dancing with the Stars. I'm saying

578
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: it right now.

579
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: So you can win in scores and points, which I did,

580
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: but that doesn't matter. It's about are you being voted for.

581
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: Your fan base has to chime in. If people think

582
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: you're safe because you have high scores, oh you might

583
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: technically be a good dancer, That's not what that show

584
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: is about. It's about, Okay, do the judges think, so,

585
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: did you kneel every component of technique and this hand

586
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: and this finger placement or whatever it is that they

587
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: judge timing an embodiment for that specific dance style, which

588
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: I have no clue of because you're literally learning a

589
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: new style of dance every single week. Not my forte

590
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: or anyone's for that matter. But it's about all of

591
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: those things, including the votes at the end of the day,

592
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: which really counts.

593
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Are the thing at the end of the day, that's

594
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: the end all. Did you have a favorite dance from

595
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars? Is there anything when you look

596
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: back on your time you think that's my number one?

597
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm the most proud of that.

598
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a very difficult dance on Dancing with

599
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: the Stars that I'm most proud of because first by

600
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: seeing it, I didn't think I could do it. It's

601
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: so technical and it's actually so brutal because your partner

602
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: and you are kicking each other most of the time

603
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: until you exactly my legs were black blue purple from bruising,

604
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: and I loved it. But when I saw the performance,

605
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: and like, I literally worked over time to get it

606
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: right because it was so difficult, so difficult. Looking back

607
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: at it, I was so impressed.

608
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I can't believe that's me.

609
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: In learning it in just one week and being lifted

610
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: in the air. Yes, yeah, it was a lot.

611
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: Argentine Tango was my favorite too. Absolutely loved it, Yes,

612
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it. Same like I remember watching videos of

613
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: it and being like I, I'm not going to be

614
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: able to do this, and the lifts and and I

615
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: also huge bruise on my hip from a couple of

616
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: the you know lifts where you get swung around and

617
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: you're just smacking your hip into each other. It's it's

618
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: it's brutal, but it's my favorite one, my favorite performance.

619
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I did everything about it, loved it.

620
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: So much, so I have so much strength in it too. Yeah.

621
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yep, you come away from that experience real ripped.

622
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: You.

623
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Last year performed on some dates with Brandy and Monica,

624
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and I have to think that was a blast. I

625
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: can't believe I missed it. As someone who is also

626
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: heavily associated with nostalgia myself, do you enjoy seeing these

627
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: crowds who have grown up with you coming out to

628
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: support you and sing along to every word with you.

629
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so special to be amongst your families, literally

630
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: the peers, peers, your peers. You know, we speak the

631
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: same language, and we've had lives that have been lived

632
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: since we were teenagers. And the music that speaks to us,

633
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: whether it would be core memories for some or where

634
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 2: we are in our lives because we're all still making

635
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: music that resonates with our timeline now and the world

636
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: has changed so much and we're still here holding each

637
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: other down. And so I loved it. I loved being

638
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: a spectator, just listening to all the nostalgic songwriting compositions,

639
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: the great music with bridges and modulations and wonderful lyrics.

640
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: My dad and I sat front of house at one

641
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: of the shows. I can't remember the city. I think

642
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: it was actually Baltimore, which is, you know, close to

643
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: where we're from, and he held my hand. When Brandy

644
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: started singing have you Ever, I'm like, oh, the power

645
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: of music, the power of music and lyrics. So that

646
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: was so special for me, and it being from my

647
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: generation because parents and grandparents kind of talked down on

648
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: the generation shows under them about the music that we're

649
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: making and it doesn't sound like real music anymore, you know.

650
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: So for him to resonate with something from my age,

651
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: Bracket was really great and an emotional song of that.

652
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a beautiful.

653
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

654
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Ghetto Superstar.

655
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: It's an infamous rumor that ODB was on the song

656
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: because he was going door to door at the recording

657
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: studio trying to force his way into songs. Is that true?

658
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: I've never heard that.

659
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so then I'm going to check out that is

660
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: not true.

661
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never heard that.

662
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Really.

663
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: It could be because it was very spontaneous.

664
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so not unsurprising for him to

665
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: knock on the door and be like, I'm here, what

666
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: can I do?

667
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: I actually believe that, really, I do believe that.

668
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh that is so funny. Do you have any fun

669
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: favorite experiences with him other than him saying nothing? He

670
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: almost burned himself on Pyro performing at the nineteen ninety

671
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: eight MTV VMAs. That must have been traumatizing.

672
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Pross pulled him back. I think so, yeah, yeah,

673
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if we rehearsed it at all

674
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: real I can't remember or if he was there, yeah,

675
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: in rehearsals, but that could have been a disaster. I mean, yes,

676
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: thankfully nothing happened. My gosh, ques matter, which is why

677
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: I'm so detailed oriented that it's very anal, But things

678
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: like that matter, to know exactly what part of the

679
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: song and going over it and over every time, so

680
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: every person on that stage understands, you know, where they

681
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: need to be, markers on the stage. I'm literally there

682
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: making sure we have a long strip of tape of

683
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: where every prop goes, cutting them, placing them where, you know,

684
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: having the dancers in certain places, because anything can happen

685
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: at any time. But uh, yeah, details matter, they really do.

686
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: I just went on the Dancing with the Stars tour.

687
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I was there for a month and we it was

688
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: very much the same way. You know, there's three sets

689
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: of stairs and everyone's got a walk and people are

690
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: crossing and you've got twelve thirteen people dancing at the

691
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: same time, heels in heels by the way with fog

692
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: which makes a stage moist or half.

693
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: You know.

694
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes we were at amphitheaters where it was humid outside

695
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: and now you're like, watch out, beads falling off of

696
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: costumes and people dancing barefoot. The amount of beads lodged

697
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: into bare feet while we were on tour, and those

698
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not showing up for your cues

699
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: and you can't see the tape when it's dark, those

700
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: things are important. These are simple bodies and yeah, it's

701
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: all very important. So don't ever feel bad about being

702
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: aal and being like, I'm here taking notes very smart.

703
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: I will share this with you. ODB was responsible for

704
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: my feature on Ghetto Superstar. Really, I only had one

705
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: song out in the universe, which was all about Me

706
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: featuring Cisco, my debut single in nineteen ninety eight. My

707
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: dad and I took a train to New York had

708
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: a session with Yclef Jean down the chorus and that

709
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: was that. We didn't hear anything back, you know. Yeah,

710
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: I was asked to do the chorus and it was

711
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: the shortest session I probably ever had to this day.

712
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: There were several other singers that were established that recorded

713
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: that chorus that were being considered because you know, they

714
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: had much bigger presence. And yeah, I was just the

715
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: new girl on the block, right right. ODB heard my

716
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: voice and said, that's the magic, that's the money. Who's

717
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: that keep that keep her? Whoever that is, I'm telling

718
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: you right now, that's her. Yeah, that's why my voice

719
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: was on Get a Superstar.

720
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

721
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he convinced them so great.

722
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: And what an ear. I mean, he's right, he's absolutely right.

723
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: Well he may or may not be.

724
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'll say, you don't have to say it,

725
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: I'll say it, He's right, but that's and that's the

726
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: way it turned out pretty great. Your music has always

727
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: included such great rap features from Mace to Jada Kiss

728
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: to ODB to jay Z on the Best of Me remix.

729
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: How did that come together with jay Z because he

730
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: was flying very, very high at that time.

731
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. So on the record label side and innerscope, there's

732
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: my independent company through hak Islam University Music Entertainment, and

733
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: then in marketing there's like Steve Stout Okay advertising as well.

734
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: And he had all of these relationships being that he's

735
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: from New York, yep. From Jada Kiss to jay Z,

736
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: and he would do some calling for features, et cetera.

737
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: There were a lot of remixes that happened around that

738
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: time too, Yep. So he and jay Z had a

739
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: relationship and he may have actually called the producers track

740
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: masters who are legends and hip hop to create the

741
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: new track for the remix as well. And the rest

742
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: is history. Geez.

743
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? It's just like, no, I'm the right

744
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: person who knows the right people, who get the inspiration

745
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: at the right time. Yeah, and the next thing, you know,

746
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: history is has been made. Well, Hype Williams. The Hype

747
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: Williams video brought us the iconic North Carolina baby blue

748
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: basketball dress. Just an all timer. Tell me all about

749
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: that dress? Where did it come from? Did you design it?

750
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Did your mom design it? Did you know how big

751
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: of a deal it was going to become? Where you

752
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: offered tar heel tickets for life? Where is it now?

753
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Can I put it under glass?

754
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: What?

755
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Tell me everything about that dress? Oh?

756
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: My goodness. Well, the North Carolina jersey dress from the

757
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: Best of Me remix video we call it Part two

758
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: by the way, Okay, that was styled and thought of

759
00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: and manifested by June Ambrose, a legendary iconic stylist, you

760
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: know fashionista. Yess. She was doing so many artists at

761
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: that time in hip hop and R and B that

762
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: created this whole esthetic. During that time, it was the

763
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: Mary J. Bliges of the world, a lot of artists

764
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: that were on bad boy fashion was a big thing

765
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: in hip hop and R and B culture during the

766
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: early nineties until I came into the equation into the

767
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: two thousands to this day, and she was a part

768
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: of that. So her iconic mind came up with the

769
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: idea of turning something just so sporty and casual for

770
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: the woman in a dress forum.

771
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and perfect for you who grew up such a tomboy,

772
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: and I mean just yeah, just so perfect for you.

773
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Where is it today?

774
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: Do you have it? I do? I have renditions of it, okay, okay,

775
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: that I'll wear for live performances.

776
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: So great, Oh so great. Your new album, Retrospect is wonderful.

777
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: It is a really evolved, unique sound. And it's been

778
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: a while since you've released an album, so why now?

779
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: What was what was it about now that spoke to you?

780
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, if I could release an album every year, it

781
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: would be now yeah, okay, So what I do is

782
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: release lots and lots of singles in between projects. And

783
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: my last one was TKO in twenty eighteen, and Pandemic happened. Yeah,

784
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: while we were actually crafting other projects and singles as

785
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: well as putting them into the universe. But that time,

786
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: at uncertain time in all of our lives, was the

787
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: confirmation to continue the thought of this project that started

788
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, really with the Rick James

789
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: cover on my Motoring out. Oh so this is my

790
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: living room in Retrospect, A lot of these sounds, especially

791
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: for the first half of the album, which is very celebratory,

792
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: picked me up moods and in party moods. That's how

793
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: my living room sounded, and that's the music that I

794
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: would craft in my playlist during the pandemic. And I

795
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: was instantly brought joy like the environment and my frequency,

796
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: my vibe shifted, yeah to an uncertain place, doubtful place

797
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: to joy, and I said, yeah, we have to do this.

798
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: This is the direction we're going, no if ends or

799
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: butts about it. And that's how Retrospect was finished. Because

800
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: the very first song on this project I cut in

801
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen because I heard the music happening across the

802
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: hall while I was working on another album.

803
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Wow, and you went and you were like, what is that?

804
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: What's that? Who does that belong to? Oh? No one, Okay,

805
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: give me a copy now. And I wrote the song

806
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: that night. Really yeah. Wow.

807
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: So this has been I mean you mentioned two thousand

808
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: and three, so twenty three years in the making, but

809
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: also the first song ten years ago, Special Place in

810
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: Your Heart. Getting twenty one savage on the ASAP was

811
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: a big deal. Are you a fan of new hip hop?

812
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: I am?

813
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like it all.

814
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has its place in my life. There are

815
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: certain things I don't listen to on Sundays, uh huh. Right,

816
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: there are lots of things I do listen to that

817
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 2: I don't listen to on Sundays in the gym.

818
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Right there you go. Everything has its place.

819
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: I love it, yes, because I need to get in

820
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: beast mode. So I love all the subgenres of R

821
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: and B, subgenres of hip hop. It's really interesting to

822
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: see how the new kids and the younger kids are

823
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: expressing themselves. Yeah. I just love honesty and we grow

824
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: as human beings. But it's not for me to talk

825
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: down on I like the transparency that the kids are

826
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: going for nowadays, and there's like not a care in

827
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: the world. It doesn't have to be perfect anymore, right.

828
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: I come from a specific era where everything just had

829
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: to be too perfect yep, And so there's a bit

830
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: of freedom that's stripped for honesty. Sometimes that's stripped when

831
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: things are overworked, yeah, or too refined. And I love

832
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: the rawness of today, even if it's not necessarily what

833
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: I can relate to. I like the rawness of the

834
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: younger generation. Yeah, Like I admire that because I'm too meticulous.

835
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: I feel you on that. I also I am my car.

836
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be nice to be a little more. I

837
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: don't have it anyday free. I don't have it. I

838
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: cannot do it, but it is enjoyable to watch someone

839
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: else do it.

840
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

841
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I sensed a big funk and seventies soul influence on

842
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: the album. Was that a conscious direct direction? Because the

843
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: first thing it made me think of was that it

844
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: was like hearkening back to albums your parents probably played

845
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: for you when you were a kid.

846
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: You nailed it on the head. Yeah, I transport and

847
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: retreat to my living room where the touch and feel vinyl,

848
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: the needle to the wax, we're all experiences, the artwork

849
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: on the vinyl, the little what do they call those

850
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: plastic things for the forty fives. Yes, I don't even

851
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: know what they're called. But it was fascination being able

852
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: to see but also witness and then experience the music

853
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: and the artwork of all of those individuals or bands

854
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: from that time. But what happened in my living room

855
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: as a kid was just pure joy, whether it was

856
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 2: extended family coming over and being the center of attention,

857
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: singing and dancing for everyone, or just literally being in

858
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: my own world and letting the music take me wherever

859
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: it took me. But there were musicians as well that

860
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: came to rehearse with my dad for his performances still

861
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: to this day, by the way, and I use this

862
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: word so many times, and this sit down with you,

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Speaker 2: it was electric. Yeah, And I will never forget those experiences.

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Speaker 2: And I've always wanted to bring that to my own projects,

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Speaker 2: that's it's my childhood wrapped in one project. Oh. I

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Speaker 1: Listen. If Maya is willing to sit down with me

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Speaker 1: for an interview, I am going to force her to

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Speaker 1: stick around for as long as possible. So we have

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Speaker 1: a bonus episode dropping this Friday, exclusively on the teen

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Speaker 1: Beat dedicated podcast feed, where I continue this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Maya and we listen to one of your voice memos

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Speaker 1: recalling an embarrassing childhood memory that will forever main our

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Speaker 1: little secret, And don't forget to listen to Maya's newest album, Retrospect,

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Speaker 1: available wherever you stream music, and you can go to

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Speaker 1: Maya Maya dot com that's m yamya dot com to

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Speaker 1: learn how you can pick up physical copies, which is

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Speaker 1: a great way to support her new independent journey. Teenbeat

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Speaker 1: is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel.

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Speaker 1: Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge

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Speaker 1: of production Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Sudbach. The

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Speaker 1: theme song is by mar Coppus. Yes that Mark Coppus.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at Teenbeatpod.