Speaker 1: But it's my favorite. Those movies are so great because
Speaker 1: the natural elements become the villain, which is so funny,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like what's the fun this fire one?
Speaker 2: Backdraft?
Speaker 1: Yeah, back Draft really completely like personify the fire like
Speaker 1: it's out to get everybody.
Speaker 2: It's so but that one had a villain who was
Speaker 2: starting the fires. Twister and Twisters I came to see
Speaker 2: find out when I went and saw Twisters are ridiculous
Speaker 2: films where it's like, I don't know, I guess it's
Speaker 2: the same as Jaws, which is my favorite movie a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: To at least Jaws is like a sentient creature, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. With the tornadoes, they're like this tornado, this tornado
Speaker 2: is smart. They're coming back for it.
Speaker 3: Like, no, what about the Sylvester was it Volcano or
Speaker 3: like that Volcano movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sylvester Stallone had had a Cliffhanger, okay, uh, which
Speaker 2: in which John Litk was the bad guy. We're act
Speaker 2: to believe that he could like fight Sylvester Stallone in
Speaker 2: a climactic hand to hand combat on the side of
Speaker 2: a mountain.
Speaker 1: And there is a movie called Volcano though, and I
Speaker 1: want to see Jones hmm.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I can find those two in my head.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Wait is that Dante's peak?
Speaker 1: Which one's.
Speaker 2: They were both?
Speaker 4: Yes, they were both around the same time too.
Speaker 2: It's a deep impact armageddon scenario.
Speaker 1: Why don't they just get off the volcano?
Speaker 2: Well, they just leave, You've always that's always the first question.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they had somebody stuck at the top, would
Speaker 2: be my guess. I saw neither of the Volcano movies.
Speaker 2: I was too good for them.
Speaker 4: They didn't have the large eagles from the third act.
Speaker 4: They didn't have them come into Mordor yet.
Speaker 2: Right, they're actually trying to throw a ring into the
Speaker 2: top of the volcano. The whole journey was about that.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, seventy one,
Speaker 2: Episode four of Dear Daily's I Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Shout out to Maximum Derek on Blue Sky, who built
Speaker 2: a really cool lightsaber that he is auctioning off to
Speaker 2: raise funds for Miles and his family who lost their
Speaker 2: home in the fires in Los Angeles. And yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: link off to those fundraisers. I think I linked off
Speaker 2: to the wrong one and the trends yesterday. Sorry about that,
Speaker 2: Maximum Derek, but I think we linked off to the
Speaker 2: right one in the regular episodes. So yeah, and we'll
Speaker 2: also link off to other lists of displaced families in
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles area. It's a vetted list with go
Speaker 2: fund means that you can contribute to. But yeah, then,
Speaker 2: thinking of all the people who are affected, still being affected,
Speaker 2: I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat
Speaker 2: in the Miles seat by a very talented writer, stand
Speaker 2: up comedian, and co host of The Bechdel Cast, one
Speaker 2: of the great film podcasts. It's Kaitlin Durante.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you back, Caitlin. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining us.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: welcome the very funny Mortoo.
Speaker 1: What's up you guys?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having What's up? It's like the computer police.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the cop when the cop cars are unmanned.
Speaker 2: That's what that's right, that's what they're going to sound
Speaker 2: like the Robustops company. Way Wamo, way Mo. Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: way Mo. Trouble than it's worth, if you ask me,
Speaker 2: that's what boo and that is. That's the new rim shot.
Speaker 6: When you're making fun of robots, that's the that's the
Speaker 6: right how it would be like but like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know the way mos like takes a long time
Speaker 2: to get there and only does a certain area. And
Speaker 2: it's a robot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw one the other day, like making a left
Speaker 1: in front of me, and it totally felt like a
Speaker 1: ghost was driving a car like my robot brain, my
Speaker 1: robot brain. I was gonna say, but like lizard brain.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a robot.
Speaker 1: No, I can experience. I have empathy.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: It is the new cow for me, the way Moo
Speaker 2: in the sense that I am incapable of driving past
Speaker 2: one and not pointing it out to whoever's in the
Speaker 2: car with me. Yeah, like, guys, guys, stop shut up.
Speaker 2: There's there's a waybow car.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: There's another one.
Speaker 1: That's like what was that thing?
Speaker 5: When we were kids, you'd like see a certain type
Speaker 5: of car and then you'd like slap the roof of
Speaker 5: your the car you were in when you were driving by,
Speaker 5: or you go like, does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 7: Ye?
Speaker 5: And then there was like a Woodies Whacker.
Speaker 2: Or something, a Woody whacker like that.
Speaker 5: Do you remember the station wagon?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you saw one of those, you'd go Woody
Speaker 5: Whacker and then you'd like hit who your sister that
Speaker 5: was right there?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? I I only got the punch Buggy and
Speaker 2: only found out about it after the fact, two relatively
Speaker 2: peaceful sisters who did not beat the ship out of me,
Speaker 2: and so I just found out about it, like on
Speaker 2: a field trip, and you know, had to we did.
Speaker 1: We did Woody Whacker, but it was only when we
Speaker 1: saw Woody Harrelson. Anyway, you grew up in in the industry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of tears, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Mark, Caitlin, it's wonderful having you both.
Speaker 2: We are going to get to know you mort a
Speaker 2: little bit better by asking you some overrated, underrated search
Speaker 2: history stuff. But before we do that, we do like
Speaker 2: to tell our listeners. A couple of things we'll be
Speaker 2: talking about later on in the episode. In the news section,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this New Yorker article on
Speaker 2: ultra processed foods. I've been hearing for many years. It's
Speaker 2: actually not the like nutritional content of the food. It's
Speaker 2: like how processed it is or like how it's made
Speaker 2: that actually is determinative if it's going to like kill you.
Speaker 2: And the New Yorker did kind of like an interesting
Speaker 2: nuanced look at that and like what the really bad
Speaker 2: processed foods actually are. Turns out processed meats are not good.
Speaker 2: And then we have like a little tag onto that
Speaker 2: onto the processed meats aren't very good aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Because there's the ap just Foyd, a USDA Inspectrum report
Speaker 2: at Bareshead Factories, and it is wild in there. It
Speaker 2: is fucking no boy, No, is it like that what's
Speaker 2: that book The Jungle? Yeah, it's really bad alesque in there.
Speaker 1: They're like it's mostly human fingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a all hamm is just human fingers
Speaker 2: and teeth and face meat. And then we'll either talk
Speaker 2: about the plethora of just unhinged Jesus movies that are
Speaker 2: coming our way in the next year or two, or
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Village People playing at Trump's inauguration,
Speaker 2: which ew, yeah, they're gonna. They really took that y
Speaker 2: mc A thing from being a gay anthem to being
Speaker 2: now like they're they're like full fully on board, although
Speaker 2: they claim like at first they were like, I'm not
Speaker 2: We're not gonna play in this inauguration or anything. We're
Speaker 2: just gonna let him play our song and make it
Speaker 2: more popular. And now they're like, we are, we are
Speaker 2: in fact going to play his inauguration along with Carrie Underwood.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, I know, are they going to change the
Speaker 5: lyrics to M A g A.
Speaker 2: That's kind of fun, I mean hate, but that's that's
Speaker 2: a good idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of their band managers.
Speaker 2: Nobody has like been more easily psychoanalyzed in like public
Speaker 2: than the lead singer of The Village People, Victor Willis,
Speaker 2: who is the most avowedly straight per like, just keeps
Speaker 2: reiterating how straight he is and how what nobody would
Speaker 2: ever anybody who calls it a gay anthem. He's not
Speaker 2: just saying I'm going to sue them to double down
Speaker 2: on the fact that he's not gay. He his threat
Speaker 2: is that his wife is going to sue them anybody
Speaker 2: who calls MC a gay anthem heterosexual lawyer?
Speaker 5: What are sexually married?
Speaker 2: So we'll probably end up talking about that one all
Speaker 2: that plenty more. But first more, we do like to
Speaker 2: ask our guest, what is something from your search.
Speaker 1: His you know, well, speaking of people that like cars,
Speaker 1: I we as we know, I grew up skateboarding on
Speaker 1: the skateboard liaison to this podcast, so it's usually all
Speaker 1: skateboard stuff. But I all when I hit forty, there
Speaker 1: was this midlife crisis thing where I got super into cars.
Speaker 1: So right now I'm just obsessed with owning a like
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars mas to Miata. Yeah that's like what
Speaker 1: I've been looking at primarily on my sae. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: what like just a really cheap, reliable.
Speaker 2: Little tiny, tiny, tiny little boy.
Speaker 1: Car with that's a convertible. That's my that's my dream
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the little Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like indestructible, they don't win anything. They're very
Speaker 1: dangerous to drive because no one can see them.
Speaker 2: But no one can see them and like they might
Speaker 2: accidentally squash them like you would a bug, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they're so much smaller than the increasingly giant fucking pickup
Speaker 2: trucks that prow the streets of New York City. Ram God, yeah, Rams.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, you know what, Rams aren't fucking
Speaker 2: masculine enough. We need a raptor. Now there's like fucking
Speaker 2: trucks called Raptors that are all over the place. And
Speaker 2: they're like, I don't know, I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people who I like who are like, man, I would
Speaker 2: love to get a Raptor. Oh, the Ford Raptor, the
Speaker 2: Ford Raptor. Yeah. They're like, fuck you Dodge and your
Speaker 2: your weak ass ram, you know it, get it ass
Speaker 2: kicked by a Ram.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for, like the Chevy Football or like the
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, the Ford Divorce, the Ford solverback Gorilla.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the Ford Divorce.
Speaker 1: What uh?
Speaker 2: How's the car hunt going?
Speaker 1: It's all right where, you know, I don't know. Whatever
Speaker 1: I'm looking on Facebook Marketplace usually had like offer up.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a fun little adventure when I
Speaker 1: go to whoever whatever random home in like East Los
Speaker 1: Angeles is gonna sell me one of these things?
Speaker 2: Is this your first experience with a wheeled vehicle besides
Speaker 2: the skateboard. Are you gonna have to like someone's gonna
Speaker 2: have to show you that, Like you sit inside this
Speaker 2: one and there's like a an engine that moves it
Speaker 2: around instead of you with your leg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ute, try and push it like a flintstonesmobile or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, so so much to learn. But similarly,
Speaker 2: you probably could just like use your weight to like
Speaker 2: get it to do an ali because it's so small.
Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. I should. I can
Speaker 1: kick flip this tiny car, flip.
Speaker 2: The tiny car, the Miata, step on the rear fender
Speaker 2: and it like pops up catches in front of it
Speaker 2: in your hand. What more? Is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Underrated? Right now too, I'm gonna give you two. First
Speaker 1: of all, altruism in general kindness to others, which is
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing a ton of in Los Angeles, which
Speaker 1: is so great. It was one the other day somebody,
Speaker 1: did they turn a boutique into a free boutique? Did
Speaker 1: you that? So it just looks like a normal like
Speaker 1: boutiqui store that they're giving the clothes away for free.
Speaker 1: They're limiting like ten items per person or whatever.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: That is just and I'm seeing stuff like people are
Speaker 1: being like, we don't don't this isn't gospel anymore. But
Speaker 1: like two days ago, it's like we don't need any
Speaker 1: more donations and we don't need any more volunteers. That's
Speaker 1: how much people are coming out for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just want to like let that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know people are aware of it, but I'm just seeing
Speaker 1: it everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's gonna I do just want to
Speaker 2: say on the like I think there's going where when
Speaker 2: we're going to need is like a week from now.
Speaker 2: Like with with the volunteers and the donations, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like once it's no longer on the front page.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it has been really cool to see people
Speaker 2: like all come together on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all super Yeah, it's all super grassroots
Speaker 1: and all through primarily like Instagram and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's like a really cool connective thread running through everything,
Speaker 1: which has been very heartening out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. And yeah, what's overrated?
Speaker 1: Well, I want to do with my second underrated, which
Speaker 1: is there was a period when Snack they were making
Speaker 1: treats that were like oversized that were like, first they
Speaker 1: started with the Hershey's Kiss that was giant, remember that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then it seemed for a while they made the
Speaker 1: Taco Bell did a collab with cheese It where they
Speaker 1: made a giant cheese it mm hmm. And I always
Speaker 1: had the idea for it was always I called it
Speaker 1: one big cheese it, and I wanted to be I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a cheese at the size of the box,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just thought that was a really
Speaker 1: powerful movement in the snack world. And I want to see,
Speaker 1: like I want to see one big, one big ruffle
Speaker 1: uh you know, regular Lays, potato chip, whatever, Just one
Speaker 1: giant you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I want giant one. I want one big.
Speaker 1: Thing of I want one giant grain of rice. You know.
Speaker 1: I want every interesting item of food to be made
Speaker 1: like that is small to me, be made one and huge.
Speaker 2: They kind of have that in like Korean food has
Speaker 2: these rice noodle like rice cake thing is that I'm
Speaker 2: drawing a blank on the name of. But they are
Speaker 2: almost like a big they have the consistency. They're a
Speaker 2: little more chewy than that, but like that does feel
Speaker 2: like you're cutting into a giant grain of rice a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: It's just so fun it is.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of a giant So do you
Speaker 2: feel like Taco Bell rip you off a little bit?
Speaker 1: I honestly feel like yeah. And I was talking about
Speaker 1: it a lot too much. People were asking me to
Speaker 1: stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: I had a similar thing in the early aughts when
Speaker 2: I was a young person. I was adamant that Eminem's
Speaker 2: needed to make a pretzel. Eminem's like that, like they needed.
Speaker 2: I loved chocolate covered pretzels. My main problem with chocolate
Speaker 2: cover pretzels too much surface area. They melted make a
Speaker 2: pretzel Eminem And they eventually did, didn't give me any money,
Speaker 2: and they also did a bad job of it. The preslam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a problem.
Speaker 2: They're just I don't know, like that. It's easy to
Speaker 2: get a bad pretzel, you know, like pretzels can have
Speaker 2: like bad it's are they're not you know, idiot proof,
Speaker 2: like you could you can have a bad pretzel. I
Speaker 2: feel like these are bad pretzels. And also the pretzels
Speaker 2: are too small. I think it needed to be mini
Speaker 2: pretzels covered in chocolate covered in eminem coating is what
Speaker 2: would have made it really sing. But they weren't ready
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: You're like me, are a snack snack moster damis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, less visionaries. It is tough.
Speaker 5: Well, I remember a few easter seasons ago, and they
Speaker 5: probably still do this. I feel like during holidays like
Speaker 5: Christmas in Easter, they'll have like huge versions of like
Speaker 5: a TwixT or a reces or like a Hershey kiss
Speaker 5: like you said, And a few years ago, I got
Speaker 5: my hands on a very large egg shaped twix bar.
Speaker 5: Twixts are my favorite candy bar. Who but the problem
Speaker 5: was the distribution of ingredients with way off, Like there's
Speaker 5: way too much caramel and like not enough cookie parts.
Speaker 5: So like the thing about enlarged snacks, I'm for it.
Speaker 5: A few pitches even like a bowling ball sized. What
Speaker 5: are those like ferrerowling shares or whatever in the.
Speaker 1: Gold or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can you imagine you need to really nail
Speaker 2: the ratio on that one.
Speaker 5: The ratio is very important, and I feel like they
Speaker 5: usually get it wrong. So yeah, it's it's very it's
Speaker 5: very delicate.
Speaker 1: Yea, No, that's I mean that they need us on
Speaker 1: the I'm perfectly prepared to start designing these candies for people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give up everything to do that marriage, everything, even
Speaker 1: your master miata.
Speaker 2: You keep offering to give up your marriage times. We're
Speaker 2: doing great.
Speaker 1: I'm like the Y M c A guy.
Speaker 2: We're doing so good. We're doing so good, We're so
Speaker 2: straight and in love. Yeah, it's uh, do you so?
Speaker 2: I like the big cheese at that's the size of
Speaker 2: the box. The ruffle that's the side. Like that one's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think you would have to like create a new
Speaker 2: packaging for it, But I do think it needs to happen.
Speaker 2: Like I'm convinced me too.
Speaker 1: I think even like the first of all, the sales
Speaker 1: are going to be astronomical. I think that just like
Speaker 1: untold billions, because it's gonna take a lot of money
Speaker 1: to design these, Like yeah, I know that they literally
Speaker 1: spend millions of dollars perfecting like the ruffles, chip and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's why they're so addictive. Yeah, and yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be at least that amount of money to make it
Speaker 1: six times as large, and then yeah, the packaging. It's
Speaker 1: a whole thing, but it's gonna pay off.
Speaker 2: It is. I fully believe that we are gonna be
Speaker 2: talking about how much how much all of the best,
Speaker 2: like scientific minds of the past three to four generations
Speaker 2: have just gone into like making food addictive. Like that's
Speaker 2: what they've done the problem they've tried to solve. But
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a moment. What is something?
Speaker 2: Do you have anything he thinks overrated or just too underrated?
Speaker 1: Well, this is cool because this is movie related. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad to click Caitlyn's here because I want to
Speaker 1: know what she thinks about this. I think very recently
Speaker 1: I've decided Harmony Karen is overrated. And here's why. He's
Speaker 1: been like paling around Miami with Jared and Ivanka, like
Speaker 1: him and his wife, they're going to like Zionist fundraising
Speaker 1: stuff all this, like like hanging out with basically the
Speaker 1: worst people in Miami. And he started a skateboard company
Speaker 1: called called edge Lord, which he is an edge lord
Speaker 1: and unfortunately they have like interesting skateboarders on there. But
Speaker 1: it made me rethink all of his movies where I
Speaker 1: was like, if you've seen Gumo he wrote kids, He's
Speaker 1: like this kind of like he's this art house tour guy.
Speaker 2: Bring Breakers was that the name of that movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Breakers? He directed the other one of his I've as
Speaker 5: a Beach Bomb and between spring Breakers and Beach Bomb
Speaker 5: two of my least favorite movies of all time. So
Speaker 5: I'm fully in agreement with you mort about him being overrated.
Speaker 5: I think he sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's like have you did you see Gummo? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that one. Yes, you see his early
Speaker 1: stuff he has he actually there are aspects of his
Speaker 1: filmmaking which are kind of masterful, Like in some ways
Speaker 1: he's able to make some stuff really beautiful, but all
Speaker 1: that stuff is like this very shocky, like it'll be
Speaker 1: like this really strange looking sort of boy in a bathtub,
Speaker 1: like eating spaghetti. It's this very But now I look
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, wait, do you just hate
Speaker 1: poor people? Like is this like all of this just
Speaker 1: supposed to be like this is this spectacle with no
Speaker 1: heart or capacity for caring, Like it's a very I
Speaker 1: don't know. I already was like really on the fence,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh, he might be just like
Speaker 1: have been evil the whole time, but he is really
Speaker 1: funny on Letterman. That's the only thing about him.
Speaker 2: I need to go back and look at it. Lenmin
Speaker 2: Interviews because otherwise not not a fan based on what
Speaker 2: I've heard so far and the kids the script I
Speaker 2: feel like is not the thing. It's not is not
Speaker 2: what's cool about kids?
Speaker 5: I barely remember that movie. Yeah, so I'm seeing that
Speaker 5: Harmony Krinn has a child named Lefty.
Speaker 2: Bell Lefty Bell m.
Speaker 1: That's probably like a reference to like a silent film
Speaker 1: star or something. I imagine, just the way that he rolls.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: His skateboard company, edge Lord is pretty on the nose,
Speaker 2: but I guess nothing he does is not on the nose, right,
Speaker 2: it's pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just a whole weird thing. I don't like it. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this. I don't like when
Speaker 1: right wing stuff happens in skateboarding makes me feel very icky.
Speaker 2: Feels yeah, what is the what's the scene? And we
Speaker 2: got more our man on the street for skateboarding? Here,
Speaker 2: our skater on the skateboard beat? What's the vibe? Like?
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen at least Nate Silver is telling
Speaker 2: me there's been a vibe shift everywhere across social media
Speaker 2: and a lot of different subcultures towards the right. Is
Speaker 2: that happening in skateboarding? It feels like kind of anathema
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: What's up, Jack, I'm here talking to a lot of
Speaker 1: teens out here on the skatebeat, and these teenage boys
Speaker 1: and gals there. Look, skateboarding can be. It's it's like
Speaker 1: a guitar or something. It can be used in any
Speaker 1: capacity you want it to be. The really cool thing
Speaker 1: is that there's been a huge growth on the opposite
Speaker 1: end of this, which is like there's like a lot
Speaker 1: of LGBTQ plus skateboard, a lot of queer skateboarders at
Speaker 1: least two queer owned skateboard companies, and a lot more
Speaker 1: like women and non binary people in skateboarding who are
Speaker 1: making it way better. Like it's they're doing this really interesting.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of them like rip, like they're really
Speaker 1: really good, and then some of them are doing this
Speaker 1: thing where they're like, we don't care if we're good,
Speaker 1: and that's really important because skateboarding, you know, it's been
Speaker 1: fourteen year old boys for most of its most of
Speaker 1: it's right, So there's this there's this kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit toxic rule, you know, thing that happens there.
Speaker 1: So aspects of skateboard he had actually have actually shifted
Speaker 1: way towards the left, which is so necessary. And then
Speaker 1: there's these small sections of people who like say that,
Speaker 1: who's the there's this dude, damn it, I can't remember. Well,
Speaker 1: it's actually good that I can't remember his name. This
Speaker 1: like right wing podcaster guy who is like a terrible
Speaker 1: pop punk band and also claims to be a skateboarder.
Speaker 1: He does skateboard, but luckily he has awful style. Pregetting
Speaker 1: his name, but he was fully was He's the guy
Speaker 1: who was being funded by Russia. Like there was an
Speaker 1: ext mo day where all that he's one of the
Speaker 1: main dudes, and you're like, yeah, of course he was.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, it really is just fucking Russian money
Speaker 2: and billionaire libertarians all the way down. That's the's all
Speaker 2: you need to do is be like, yeah, fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm right wing and there's suddenly a money truck at
Speaker 2: your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And especially this idea that like I'm cool, I'm hit, brother,
Speaker 1: it's such lack of I'm not a dude, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And it's like working in some places, a lot
Speaker 2: of these fucking influencers are just like yeah, it's actually
Speaker 2: what's cool is thinking this republican president is cool and edgy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, shit, all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll talk about ultra processed foods. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back. And we're back. And so there's a
Speaker 2: New Yorker article about nutrition. I generally feel like nutrition
Speaker 2: is fake. The heart one, I think it's fake. I
Speaker 2: don't think food is real. I think they actually just
Speaker 2: come and inject us with the nutrient we need in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and then the food is
Speaker 2: all made of wax. It's when you're a robot.
Speaker 5: You don't even need it.
Speaker 1: None of us are robots here.
Speaker 2: Robot, please show up, give you, charge you up. My
Speaker 2: food is the plug in the wall. It's just so,
Speaker 2: it's like gun statistics and shit like that, where there's
Speaker 2: just like these massive both multi billion dollar interests who
Speaker 2: have vast networks designed to make it impossible to learn
Speaker 2: the real information from inside America about like nutrition or
Speaker 2: how bad guns are, et cetera. But so we we
Speaker 2: like get our information like largely just through like word
Speaker 2: of mouth and Yahoo articles that can't make their fucking
Speaker 2: mind up about whether chocolate and wine or good for you.
Speaker 2: Like that, Basically all it's just like back and forth
Speaker 2: on that one issue about like how red wine actually
Speaker 2: good for you. They they generally the mainstream consensus is
Speaker 2: like you just got to eat enough of these foods.
Speaker 2: They'll never tell you to eat like less of anything
Speaker 2: because that is anti capitalist. So the latest kind of
Speaker 2: trend in the world of nutrition is focusing on ultra
Speaker 2: processed foods and it became kind of this popular villain
Speaker 2: where the idea is that something about the way the
Speaker 2: ingredients are broken down makes them like harder to stop consuming.
Speaker 2: And it's like the food is like already broken down.
Speaker 2: There's all sorts of chemicals that are in there that
Speaker 2: make them absorb into your body differently. They've done all
Speaker 2: sorts of tests where like when people eat certain things
Speaker 2: like their blood glucose level like shoots through the through
Speaker 2: the roof, and like also of like things happen to
Speaker 2: your body that shouldn't be happening that make your body
Speaker 2: basically crave more food. It's creating a thing where by
Speaker 2: eating food, you want to eat more food.
Speaker 5: Is that why I'm always hungry?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like so that's the thing. It's like they in
Speaker 2: reading about this and there's like a lot of writing
Speaker 2: on those people people talk about like get as you
Speaker 2: cut these out of your diet, you become less hungry
Speaker 2: as you're eating less food because you're not like getting
Speaker 2: these weird signals to your body. But it's like it's
Speaker 2: more nuanced than that, so that the article is basically
Speaker 2: like it's not it's not the ultra processed aspect of it,
Speaker 2: Like you can't actually focus it on that. It's like
Speaker 2: more nuanced than that. It's hyper palatable ultra processed food.
Speaker 2: And also like super calorie dense ultra process food. So
Speaker 2: when they're like using the pro to just like jam
Speaker 2: pack a bunch as many like calories as possible into
Speaker 2: the food our body. Like even I had kind of
Speaker 2: always I read this book Salt, Sugar Fat a long
Speaker 2: time ago. That's about the way the food industry basically
Speaker 2: took that. Like a lot of the top scientists were
Speaker 2: working for the tobacco industry because that's where the money was,
Speaker 2: like in the fifties and sixties, and then they were like, well, shit,
Speaker 2: this is this isn't good. We're all going to get
Speaker 2: sued badly, and so they started like buying like R. J.
Speaker 2: Reynolds bought Nabisco, and a lot of that same science
Speaker 2: started going into like how do we make food the
Speaker 2: thing that's addictive, because like addiction is the best thing
Speaker 2: for like a capitalist enterprise, like the person just can't
Speaker 2: stop consuming. And so that book I came away from
Speaker 2: being like the issue is just they made the food
Speaker 2: taste too good, Like they there's these they really yeah,
Speaker 2: like and you read like the scientist. There's like people
Speaker 2: who are like considered geniuses within their field for like
Speaker 2: inventing this thing called like mouthfeel, and they're like the
Speaker 2: mouthfeel and we got the perfect mouthfeel on the like
Speaker 2: nacho cheese dorito, and like it's a thing that like
Speaker 2: never your mouth never stops getting tired of eating, and
Speaker 2: like it's just impossible to like stop. And so the
Speaker 2: thing that this adds to it is like when they're
Speaker 2: using the ultra processing, even if it like doesn't taste
Speaker 2: incredibly good what they call in this study like ultra palatable,
Speaker 2: it's still people like if it's super calorie dense, there's
Speaker 2: something in our body that is like really like gets
Speaker 2: a charge out of eating like a calorie dense not
Speaker 2: hyper palatable, but like ultra processed food. And they found
Speaker 2: that like when they give that stuff, even if it
Speaker 2: like doesn't taste incredible, when they give a diet that
Speaker 2: is ultraprocessed and really calorie dents to people, like they
Speaker 2: eat eight hundred more calories than they otherwise would if
Speaker 2: it's ultra palatable, like the dorido oreo, like the ones
Speaker 2: that have gone through that process, they eat a thousand
Speaker 2: more calories. But they did find that, like when they
Speaker 2: served people ultra processed foods that were neither calorie dense
Speaker 2: or hyper palatable, like the example they give is like
Speaker 2: liquid eggs, flavored yogurt and oatmeal, turkey bacon, and brito
Speaker 2: bowls with beans, people ate essentially as much as they
Speaker 2: did on the minimally processed diet. So it's not like
Speaker 2: the processing that is the problem. And like that one
Speaker 2: of the points to like one of the nutritionists who
Speaker 2: is like thinks the ultra processed thing is like bullshit.
Speaker 2: Makes is like in their world of like ultra processed
Speaker 2: food being the bad guy, Like they have canned kidney
Speaker 2: beings in the same category as like gummy bears. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just all they all have like chemicals, and so
Speaker 2: they're all bad and it's like, no, if the food
Speaker 2: is just ultra processed and is not super hyper charged
Speaker 2: with like tons of calories like that, you'll be able
Speaker 2: to like eat a normal amount. It's just speak for you.
Speaker 1: I just like a full whole of kidney beans.
Speaker 2: Right, can of kidney beans over hair, and.
Speaker 1: Then's just some liquid eggs, you know.
Speaker 2: Liquid eggs. Take a shot of liquid. They really made
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: So two word phrase I've ever heard of my life.
Speaker 2: I know, but yeah, I don't know like it is.
Speaker 2: It's not so if it's not the ultra processing, that
Speaker 2: is like good news because like that that food is
Speaker 2: much less expensive. So it's like, you know, you just
Speaker 2: have to I don't know, like they don't have a
Speaker 2: great solution for this, but they do seem to suggest
Speaker 2: that like the two types of ultra processed foods that
Speaker 2: do shortened people's lives are sugary drinks and sodas and
Speaker 2: processed meats. And then when you actually look at like
Speaker 2: hyperprocessed breads, cold cereals, dairy products such as slavery yogurts
Speaker 2: and savory snacks, it actually makes it's actually not bad
Speaker 2: for you. It might be like makes me live longer,
Speaker 2: it makes you live longer. You can back to my
Speaker 2: goldfish crackers makes me hotter? Okay, well yeah naked, it's
Speaker 2: my stomach taut gat Yeah. But the problem, right, the problem.
Speaker 1: Is that the processing. The problem is the food design.
Speaker 1: The problem was like, is this created by a man
Speaker 1: like with a beakers and a lab coat feeding stuff
Speaker 1: into a computer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, food with like yeah, with like a chart of
Speaker 2: like your hunger spiking, like you know, yeah, wow, we've
Speaker 2: noticed that on the eighth chip that's when the hunger
Speaker 2: and the craving for more actually spikes to its highest levels.
Speaker 2: That is like literally the type of shit that they do.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just I don't know, like we
Speaker 2: might just need to go product by product, But like
Speaker 2: I do feel like, as I was like reading this
Speaker 2: and thinking through it, I feel like it's just a
Speaker 2: matter of like kind of thinking about how the foods
Speaker 2: that I eat actually feel and like taste to me,
Speaker 2: And like there are certain certain cereals that like they
Speaker 2: raise the idea of like shredded wheat being a cereal
Speaker 2: that is not even an ultra processed food even though
Speaker 2: it comes in a box. It's like two ingredients. It's fine,
Speaker 2: but shredded wheats fucking sucks. It's so nasty it sucks.
Speaker 2: It's like shouldn't even be considered at least the name
Speaker 2: is awful. That's like it's like fucking cold paper, like
Speaker 2: it's the wor and that's what it tastes like. It
Speaker 2: tastes like you poured milk on packaging material. But then like,
Speaker 2: have you guys ever had raisin brand crunch? Yeah, that shit,
Speaker 2: like raisin brand crunch is drugs. Like that shit is
Speaker 2: for me so much better than regular raisin. Stop eating.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 5: I hate raisins and I hate brand, but throw a
Speaker 5: crunch in there. I'm smiling.
Speaker 2: I think like every single like flake is coated in
Speaker 2: like three layers of like crystallized sugar, so like never
Speaker 2: never gets soggy and is just the sweetest thing that
Speaker 2: I've ever like tasted in my life.
Speaker 1: But I'd be interested to find out why evolutionarily we're
Speaker 1: so into that sweet delicious crunch because I'm like, and
Speaker 1: same with chips. I can't stop eating insane amount of chips. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mouth feel right.
Speaker 2: I think it's they've hijacked our like evolutionary processes to
Speaker 2: ye in such a way that like, yeah, we we
Speaker 2: just like can't not doing it, and that's that's the
Speaker 2: point of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're talking about addiction. You know. I'm yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sober because I'm a hero, the greatest hero. But
Speaker 1: but it's you, don't you know, You're totally right about
Speaker 1: addiction and capitalism, you know. And the wild thing about
Speaker 1: it is you don't really feel the effects of addiction
Speaker 1: until you stop. Like, the problem is not when you're
Speaker 1: actively using. The problem is how do you live when
Speaker 1: you're no longer using the raisin brand crunch like opioids.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, it's so we're all like, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna at some point, we're gonna like it's the phones,
Speaker 1: it's the computer, it's the food. All of this stuff
Speaker 1: is designed to be addicted.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, like we can't live without food.
Speaker 5: So they're like they're capitalizing on our very basic, you know,
Speaker 5: very basic necessities of life, and they're like, how do
Speaker 5: we make this even because I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 5: eating is one of the few enjoyable things about life.
Speaker 5: Everything else about it sucks, but eating like the joy
Speaker 5: in euphoria I feel during every meal. I'm like, we
Speaker 5: I love life. Right now while I'm eating people, I'm
Speaker 5: having a great time. But like it's just it's really
Speaker 5: a sinister that they're like, how can we inject a
Speaker 5: bunch of stuff that? Yeah, from like an evolutionary point
Speaker 5: of view, it's like, you know, sugar entering our bodies
Speaker 5: probably like some there's some signal where it's like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, like this is important or this is like
Speaker 5: you'll be able to store this as energy, or this
Speaker 5: will be used as energy that you know that you
Speaker 5: need to go do something else. But we're but we're
Speaker 5: so like sedentary.
Speaker 2: Our bodies are like machines that are like designed like
Speaker 2: one of the primary functions is like not starving. Like
Speaker 2: that that was all like at the time that we
Speaker 2: our bodies were being designed by natural selection, the main
Speaker 2: thing that they were concerned with is not starting. So
Speaker 2: we have like these fucking alarms and like all these
Speaker 2: like bells and whistles built into our circuitry. That's just
Speaker 2: like yes, oh really that more of that, yes Jesus, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't stop.
Speaker 1: And this is the same thing about like a need
Speaker 1: for social validation, right, it's like please don't kick me
Speaker 1: out of the cave, you know, So this. So if
Speaker 1: you like my post, it's the exact same thing of like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel safe, you know, And Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say something kind of harrowing right now,
Speaker 1: which is that, like I'm ready. The thing about being
Speaker 1: addicted to stuff is it does seem like the entire
Speaker 1: world is a nightmare except for doing the thing that
Speaker 1: you're addicted to. So like, so I think there's so
Speaker 1: much of the stuff that is designed to get us
Speaker 1: high in some sort of capacity, and that like true
Speaker 1: joy doesn't come from a high. It's like a much
Speaker 1: different experience. It's about something about like settling into reality
Speaker 1: and appreciating the president and all this stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it becomes super hard when you have you're like fed
Speaker 1: all this hyper addicted stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my experience with addiction was a lot of like
Speaker 2: almost having a separate person or like you know, entity
Speaker 2: in my body that was like acting behind the scenes
Speaker 2: of my consciousness, like at a sub a venom who
Speaker 2: was like making decisions in such a way that like
Speaker 2: it would make me want my you know, the thing
Speaker 2: I was addicted to, and like it would make me
Speaker 2: not want other things that like everything else would seem
Speaker 2: like it sucked.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And it talks to you
Speaker 1: in your own voice. So for me, it tricks me
Speaker 1: into thinking that I want this thing. But it's like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want eleven beers on a Tuesday, but
Speaker 1: that I do because my voices.
Speaker 5: People drink eleven beers on Tuesdays. The voice, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: we got taco Tuesday. We got eleven beers Tuesday. A
Speaker 5: lot of people drink a couple before work, most people,
Speaker 5: most people, most people are Actually that is a thing
Speaker 5: that I remember from being an addiction, and like talking
Speaker 5: to other fellow addicts at the time, we were always.
Speaker 2: Certain everybody was also like like, oh, that guy's that
Speaker 2: guy's so high right now, Look how high that guy is.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, man, he's probably just leaped a pride.
Speaker 2: He probably was like a kid at home, you weirdo.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I was always certain that everybody was just
Speaker 2: as high as I was. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: they're like, it's a might be a bad way to
Speaker 2: organize your society, this this capitalism after all, because it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just it seems like one of the kind of
Speaker 2: mind bend the ideas they talked about, And the thing
Speaker 2: is like people having to retrain their taste buds and
Speaker 2: their hunger because you're in this like boombust like meth
Speaker 2: equivalent of food consumption that engineers like high highs and
Speaker 2: low lows, and you stop being able to taste like
Speaker 2: non ultra processed foods as much until you like get
Speaker 2: yourself off of them for a while, Like.
Speaker 5: I have you do this every few months, like I will.
Speaker 5: I'll be on a stint where I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: eating so many like vegetables and fruits and you know,
Speaker 5: like whatever lean proteins and like stuff that's good for
Speaker 5: your body. And then winter rolls around and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I need to eat three pizzas, okay, Like I just can't,
Speaker 5: Like I keep I can't train my body to like
Speaker 5: get all the way there. I keep returning to like
Speaker 5: the bad processed addictive stuff.
Speaker 1: Well it is I had to quit most Like I
Speaker 1: don't eat much sugar. Well, I don't eat sweets, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't eat because I and not because I'm
Speaker 1: a saint. Because I again transferred the addiction to Snickers bars.
Speaker 1: So I was eating like a bag of gummy bears
Speaker 1: and Ben and Jerry's and all this shit.
Speaker 2: So like, so two.
Speaker 1: Crazy things happen when I stopped that, which is that
Speaker 1: my depression went from being like a week at a
Speaker 1: time to like an hour, right, Yeah, And that was
Speaker 1: also based on how much I was using it, you know,
Speaker 1: but now for sure, like I had a grape the
Speaker 1: other day that straight up tasted like skittles or something,
Speaker 1: because because my body's not used to that insane level
Speaker 1: of sugar anymore, it's pretty great.
Speaker 2: And also because they're genetically engineering skittles grapes.
Speaker 1: Yeah what I said grape, I meant the handful of skittles,
Speaker 1: a great flavored skittles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know. It's uh, the one the
Speaker 2: one process ultra processed food that it feels like there
Speaker 2: is broad consensus about is ultra processed meats, which have
Speaker 2: never seemed like at a just at a young age,
Speaker 2: I was I was eating so much cold cuts that
Speaker 2: was like a huge chunk of my family's diet, Like
Speaker 2: it was just and I remember having the thought, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is this like going to the grocery store,
Speaker 2: having you know, my parent order a pound of sliced
Speaker 2: ham and watching them take the giant ham shaped like
Speaker 2: globule and like put it on the slicer. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: like and put it on the slicer, and just being
Speaker 2: like that, what we like, what could it even be?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: I you know, like in my head, I was like
Speaker 2: eating sliced turkey, like off of a turkey, and then
Speaker 2: you go to the store and it's not that. And
Speaker 2: so recently there was a listeria outbreak at a boresheat
Speaker 2: factory and people started wondering, Hey, what we've all trusted
Speaker 2: for like a handful of decades. Now that Boar's Head
Speaker 2: is like high quality, pure shit, like really good stuff,
Speaker 2: Let's let's start taking a look inside head factories and
Speaker 2: it's wild like that. So they just the ap just
Speaker 2: published like some of the foyage reports and like one
Speaker 2: of these USDA inspectors I'm just gonna quote from. I'll
Speaker 2: just do my personal favorite, Like there's stuff about like
Speaker 2: ham mold storage rooms and uh residual ham material. This
Speaker 2: was written up in the Defector, which is a great,
Speaker 2: great website, Like thank god there's still good websites out there.
Speaker 2: But while observing designated floor trash personnel clean around the department,
Speaker 2: I noticed him used a stainless steel hook to pick
Speaker 2: up a small piece of meat approximately the size of
Speaker 2: a baseball, from underneath the bench where meat was being
Speaker 2: pulled onto the line. So the line being the thing
Speaker 2: that was meat meat goes into the inbox and comes
Speaker 2: out as the meat ham globule thing that is in Yes,
Speaker 2: the meat conveyor, but this was this is my favorite
Speaker 2: one from a report filed September sixteenth, twenty twenty, from
Speaker 2: the USDA inspector who I don't think this was like
Speaker 2: an undercover inspection. I think like they just like went
Speaker 2: in there. They're like, guys, the inspector's here today, be
Speaker 2: sure to pull the ham baseballs with the with the
Speaker 2: ham hooks onto the line to make sure it all
Speaker 2: looks good.
Speaker 1: But like this was has anybody clean the ham hook.
Speaker 2: In any four years? It's looking kind of it looks
Speaker 2: like it's got about a little bit of residual ham material.
Speaker 1: That was the name of my hardcore band.
Speaker 2: It's a great name. It's like that has become U
Speaker 2: the That was the headline of the Defector article on
Speaker 2: people in the comments are just non stop talking about
Speaker 2: residual hamd material. But from September sixteenth, twenty twenty, I
Speaker 2: observed for Deluxe Ham Large babies, Deluxe Ham Large babies
Speaker 2: all capitalized on the convey those things, those Ham globule
Speaker 2: things are called Deluxe Ham Ham Large baby babies because
Speaker 2: they're the size of a baby, I guess, and pink
Speaker 2: like a baby.
Speaker 7: I observed for Deluxe Ham large babies on the conveyor belt.
Speaker 7: Natural that you do around a baby exactly, pass through
Speaker 7: the convey metal detector, set it off, and then bypass
Speaker 7: the reject arm.
Speaker 2: Upon further investigation, these Hams failed to slide onto the
Speaker 2: disposition cart adjacent to the reject arm because the cart
Speaker 2: was already overflowing with approximately eight other hands.
Speaker 5: Eight other Ham large babies.
Speaker 2: Just giant giant Ham babies, like plogging up the works
Speaker 2: from just and nobody entering, Nobody, like emptying the rejected
Speaker 2: hambaby be a cart.
Speaker 5: That's my hardcore band name baby.
Speaker 2: Hamdbaby, rejected Hamdbaby.
Speaker 1: Carted Ham Baby.
Speaker 6: Jesus, we got a.
Speaker 1: Hand baby loose under the bench. Somebody gets.
Speaker 5: I feel sick.
Speaker 2: It's so wid it's the.
Speaker 1: Most this is. It's worse than any dystopian movie, like
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like in the matrix the worst possible
Speaker 1: thing when they show actual life where everybody's like in
Speaker 1: the pods and they're all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clean and sanitary. Yeah, everybody was separated. Everybody was separated.
Speaker 2: It looked like a soft landing. You know, everybody was
Speaker 2: just chilling.
Speaker 5: We're like in a snow piercer. When sorry, this is
Speaker 5: like a kind of a spoiler, so I had a
Speaker 5: few seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But the bug thing where they find out that the
Speaker 5: the like bars of like, yeah, you know, jelly that
Speaker 5: they eat is just ground up bugs. That seems more
Speaker 5: appealing than a fact full of like ham babies bouncing around.
Speaker 2: This is making me be like, we made a huge
Speaker 2: mistake all those years ago when we stopped eating bugs.
Speaker 2: I've talked about recently the theory that the reason we
Speaker 2: like crunchy snacks, like the reason that's coded into us
Speaker 2: is because we at that time when we were like
Speaker 2: our brain was being wired to not starve to death.
Speaker 2: The thing like a big part of our diet was bugs,
Speaker 2: and like that's where we got most of our protein
Speaker 2: from bugs.
Speaker 1: I like ruffles because they remind me of an.
Speaker 2: Because eating crickets. Yeah, and like, the one of the
Speaker 2: reasons that this is a theory just besides, like raw
Speaker 2: Stoner energy, raw Stoner thought it.
Speaker 1: That's my peer reviewed.
Speaker 2: But is because people crave crunchy stuff when they are
Speaker 2: cret when they need protein, and so it's like that,
Speaker 2: it would make sense that like the crunchy protein that
Speaker 2: our system is wired to crave is is the crickets,
Speaker 2: and that's probably where we're headed eventually back.
Speaker 5: So they need to take this ham and make it crunchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll eat that. You ever have a piece
Speaker 2: of piece of cold cut with like something hard in it?
Speaker 2: It's not the really put me off cold cuts for
Speaker 2: literal hours that.
Speaker 1: Literal moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Process to legally adopt a ham baby, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not as easy as you'd think, not as easy
Speaker 2: it should be. A lot of people out there, all right,
Speaker 2: let's uh, let's take a quick break. God, that took
Speaker 2: a long time. I'm sorry, just have spent so much
Speaker 2: of the show, so much of your day talking about
Speaker 2: ham babies.
Speaker 1: Can't rusted because it was there's so much to laugh about.
Speaker 2: What a horror Jesus Christ. All right, we'll be right back,
Speaker 2: and we're back. We got time for one more because
Speaker 2: we spent so much time talking hand babies, the original
Speaker 2: hand baby baby. Jesus just came and went from our
Speaker 2: you know, our national religion according to Mega, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh, Jesus is a pretty big figure, pretty pretty
Speaker 2: well known in these United States, and kind of light
Speaker 2: on the Jesus movies. Like there's obviously a lot of
Speaker 2: Jesus movies.
Speaker 5: That are like on like that.
Speaker 2: They're just a different like tier of movie, you know.
Speaker 2: They're like, they don't have Campbell, who you've ever heard
Speaker 2: of in them other than Kurt Cameron and maybe his
Speaker 2: sister from Full House whose name I can't remember, Candace Cameron,
Speaker 2: but there. So the other day, the first trailer dropped
Speaker 2: for a new animated film called King of Kings, which
Speaker 2: tells the story of how time traveling Charles Dickens takes
Speaker 2: his son to the past to hang out with Jesus. What, Caitlin,
Speaker 2: you teach a screenwriting course? Yes, what do we think
Speaker 2: that a student comes in with that pitch and he's
Speaker 2: just like, yep, let me see where you're going with
Speaker 2: this screenlight.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'd be curious. But time traveling Charles Dickens.
Speaker 2: The true storytelling, it would appear he's like, boy, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you the and he does speak like this,
Speaker 2: no British accent at all. I'm gonna tell you about
Speaker 2: the best story ever. So Charles Dickens, famous storyteller, We're
Speaker 2: just gonna have him say best story ever, the Story
Speaker 2: of Jesus. And it looks like a Christian Pixar movie.
Speaker 2: But they seem to be including the crucifixion in the
Speaker 2: in the movie for children, So.
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing one of the veggie tails being nailed
Speaker 1: to across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it like kind of has veggie tails nailed to
Speaker 2: across energy. It's unclear whether Charles Dickens intervenes to try
Speaker 2: to stop the crucifixion, thus creating an alternate timeline. I'll
Speaker 2: got back to the future too, but interesting, we'll see. Okay,
Speaker 2: it has so all right, all of this not out
Speaker 2: of the ordinary in the sense that there are plenty
Speaker 2: of pieces of Christian entertainment that are released every year.
Speaker 2: Where it gets weird is that this is the cast.
Speaker 2: The voice of Jesus will be played by Oscar Isaac
Speaker 2: Mark Hamill, Kenneth Branna, A Thermon, Forrest Whittaker, and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other like actors whose names you've heard before
Speaker 2: are also going to be in this movie.
Speaker 5: So this is like a mainstream Hollywood productions.
Speaker 2: But then it's all it's being distributed by Angel Studios,
Speaker 2: which who are the Sound of Freedom people, the people
Speaker 2: who like made that movie that was like about white
Speaker 2: TikTok Karen version of human trafficking where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: the human traffickers are everywhere. It takes a real man
Speaker 2: to go and to go and steal our kids back
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, and then that guy turned out to
Speaker 2: be like that it was based on the true story
Speaker 2: of this guy's life. Who that guy's true story turned
Speaker 2: out to be completely full of shit. But it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of I don't know. We we talked
Speaker 2: years ago about this idea of like are we headed
Speaker 2: toward like a repeat of the eighties where like all
Speaker 2: mainstream culture just like went right wing like everything, you know,
Speaker 2: like in the Reagan eighties. It was just like everyone
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I guess this is what we are,
Speaker 2: were uppies and we're all right wing and like John
Speaker 2: Hughes and action movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker 2: He's gonna beat up Russia in this one, and Russia
Speaker 2: is gonna be like, thank you, we like you, we
Speaker 2: wish we were America, and then that will be my
Speaker 2: favorite movie from age four through like ten. But you know,
Speaker 2: are we headed in that direction? It it feels like
Speaker 2: there's definitely a mainstreaming of kind of right wing shit happening.
Speaker 2: We talked on trending yesterday about how Carrie Underwood is
Speaker 2: singing at the inauguration, Like the Trump's first inauguration, they
Speaker 2: like had to had to bring in like some real,
Speaker 2: real deep, go real deep on the bench for singers
Speaker 2: to perform. And now they have like Carrie Underwood and
Speaker 2: the Village People, which we talked about, you know, their
Speaker 2: fascinating story. But I don't know. There's also just a
Speaker 2: bunch of Jesus movies coming. There are two other animated
Speaker 2: future films about Jesus coming out this year. I don't
Speaker 2: think either of them feature Charles Dickens. Weird choice on
Speaker 2: their part. Yeah, and then Tree of Life director Terrence
Speaker 2: Malick is going to be releasing his long gestating The
Speaker 2: Way of the Wind, which, okay, it's like a more
Speaker 2: grounded take on Jesus' story, but it sounds It almost
Speaker 2: sounds like it would be like an offensive story about
Speaker 2: a Native American, you know, the Way of the Wind.
Speaker 1: I love Terrence Malick, Actually I doo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great filmmaker. So it's kind of interesting
Speaker 2: that like this is this just seems to be People
Speaker 2: are also suggesting that this might be part of the
Speaker 2: trend of movies with you know, public domain protagonists. Like
Speaker 2: you know, they made that Winnie the Pooh slasher movie.
Speaker 2: Maybe people are just like, and what if we just
Speaker 2: you know, start taking the original public domain? Guy, my man, JCM.
Speaker 2: There's there's also a Martin Scorsese unconventional Jesus movie that's
Speaker 2: supposed to be coming out. Uh, And of course mel
Speaker 2: Gibson sequel. What's that didn't didn't scurse?
Speaker 5: What's it called?
Speaker 1: Last of Christ?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did his movie. He did his unconventional with.
Speaker 5: Willem Dafoe as Jesus.
Speaker 1: Which an amazing that's an amazing move. And also the
Speaker 1: craziest thing about Willem Dafoe is he watched interviews with him.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen these and he's just like the
Speaker 1: sweetest theater nerd in the world. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a gentle he's he's more like Jesus. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Else, Yeah, Jesus, the original gentle theater nerd he isn't.
Speaker 2: And then Mel Gibson, of course, is making his sequel
Speaker 2: to the Passion of the Christ. Supposedly he talked about
Speaker 2: it on the Joe Rogan podcast. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys saw clips of Mel Gibson on the Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan podcast, but he appeared to be flying on something.
Speaker 5: Or other, like well processed food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had half of him sandwich and his blood
Speaker 1: through the roof, right, But yeah, it's uh, his his
Speaker 1: sequel to Passion of the Christ, which I thought had like,
Speaker 1: you know, a good ending.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think we needed a sequel Patch
Speaker 2: of the Christ where that movie, by the way, was
Speaker 2: like a massive blockbuster. That's one of those news stories that, like,
Speaker 2: looking back, just seems so strange that that was a
Speaker 2: huge blockbuster.
Speaker 5: I still have never seen it.
Speaker 2: It's not worth seeing. Yeah, it's it is what you expect.
Speaker 2: It is punishing. You're just watching somebody get the shit
Speaker 2: beat out of them for an hour and a half
Speaker 2: straight like that. Yeah, but yeah, his plan is a
Speaker 2: sequel to that movie that was just like kind of
Speaker 2: a long, slow plotting snuff film. This one will feel
Speaker 2: like an acid trip and tell Satan's origin story. Also,
Speaker 2: Jim Cavizl will play Jesus again, possibly with the help
Speaker 2: of deaging technology, since it's been twenty years since they
Speaker 2: made that movie, but only three days are supposed to
Speaker 2: have passed. That's kind of Jesus' whole thing, So it'd
Speaker 2: be weird if he was just like weathered.
Speaker 5: But I mean, well, it didn't work, but it happened
Speaker 5: in the Hobbit movies, where these like characters who are
Speaker 5: supposed to be immortal, like elves and wizards and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. They're like, they look visibly ten years older.
Speaker 5: But it's supposed to be a prequel.
Speaker 2: To the Hell of a Week. Guys, the celebrated really hard.
Speaker 2: These Hobbits need a nap. Yeah, yeah, Oh, it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be a prequel.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but they look ten years older.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I guess there's a movie a TV series called The Chosen,
Speaker 2: which I was not familiar with, but that's making waves
Speaker 2: and people think that's why it's wild. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like Hollywood thinks, you know, they feel like
Speaker 1: they're leaving a bunch of money on the table by
Speaker 1: not producing this stuff. Like they saw how well that
Speaker 1: blockbuster about human trafficking did and they're like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get it there. And that's the aspect of the entertainment industry, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's make this hot. Jesus, which of you he has
Speaker 1: perfect like perfect.
Speaker 2: Hair, great, shredded abs looking good?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How do we make the story of Jesus addictive something
Speaker 2: that people can't can't put away? We'll serialize it and
Speaker 2: turned it into a streaming series with cliffhangers. Mm hm. Anyways,
Speaker 2: mort Pleasure as always having you on to check in
Speaker 2: from the skateboarding scene and just check them with the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me, man, I'm still glad I
Speaker 1: have a niche on the show, which is on the
Speaker 1: most important skateboard news. Yeah, you can find me at
Speaker 1: Mortburk on all the socials.
Speaker 2: And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Oh man, work of media? Boy? Oh boy, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna read here's a classic Rob Delayey tweet that
Speaker 1: tragically has become relevant again. I'm truly sorry. I voted
Speaker 1: for Trump. I only wanted disabled kids to lose their medicaid.
Speaker 1: I didn't want people to know I'm racist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, wonderful having you guest host as always. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you and as their work of media
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying.
Speaker 5: You can find me on Instagram at Kaitlyn Toronte. You
Speaker 5: can listen to the podcast I co host with Jamie
Speaker 5: loftis The Bechdel Cast, where we talk about movies through
Speaker 5: an intersectional feminist lens and the piece of media I've
Speaker 5: been enjoying. I just watched a film called Salt of
Speaker 5: This Sea. I would highly recommend it's available on Canopy.
Speaker 5: It's a movie directed by a Palestinian filmmaker, and Marie
Speaker 5: jis here and I just watched it because we're about
Speaker 5: to cover it on the Bechdel Cast, so tune into
Speaker 5: that episode shortly. But yeah, it's about an American born
Speaker 5: Palestinian woman who returns to Palestine and tries to like
Speaker 5: get money that belongs to her family that was in
Speaker 5: a bank, and tries to visit her grandfather's home that
Speaker 5: he was forcibly removed from during the Nakba. And it's
Speaker 5: just like a really moving, beautiful movie that I would
Speaker 5: highly recommend, Salt of This Sea.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Can I real quick plug a thing or two? So yeah, please, yeah, thanks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta weirdly have a bunch of stuff right now
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm doing a set at Flappers tomorrow. If
Speaker 1: you got to stand up in La. My podcast rebrand
Speaker 1: is We're twelve episodes deep with my wife actually Birt.
Speaker 1: She was an excellent, hilarious comedy writer. And the show
Speaker 1: Mythic Quest comes out on the twenty ninth, which I'm
Speaker 1: in a couple episodes of the season.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah cool, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: And check out Spiritually Filthy on YouTube. And I'm maybe
Speaker 1: gonna do a if people are interested. I'm pitching the
Speaker 1: idea of doing a benefit zoom stand up show. We
Speaker 1: did one last week and raised like seventeen hundred.
Speaker 2: Bucks, which I was really knocked by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, friends of mine came through really hard, and I
Speaker 1: think it was a cool It was just a cool
Speaker 1: way to give an opportunity to people to like help
Speaker 1: around the country. So if any if people are interested
Speaker 1: in that, it would be like a ten dollars minimum donation.
Speaker 1: I would do it on Tryday twenty fifth, So hit
Speaker 1: me up on Instagram if you're interested.
Speaker 5: Who books that? Do you need any comics for it?
Speaker 1: Just can't through yet.
Speaker 2: Here you go. This is just skateboarder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, only skateboard.
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Speaker 2: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 2: think you might enjoy. Uh, super producer Justin is there
Speaker 2: a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 4: This is a song I love to play in my car.
Speaker 3: It's a fun fusion of this dark, off kilter pizzakado
Speaker 3: string plucking over this like fragmented, slow churning bass, heavy beat.
Speaker 4: It's really really fun.
Speaker 3: There's this lyrical motif with the word creep from the
Speaker 3: TLC song from the nineties, and the wordplay is just
Speaker 3: really on point. It's a Mick Jenkins, a rapper from
Speaker 3: Chicago and Ice Cold Bishop out of LA and they
Speaker 3: both just go crazy on this track. So it's short
Speaker 3: but really really good. So this is Creep by Ice
Speaker 3: Cold Bishop and Mick Jenkins and you can find that.
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