1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: But it's my favorite. Those movies are so great because 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: the natural elements become the villain, which is so funny, 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: like yeah, like what's the fun this fire one? 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Backdraft? 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, back Draft really completely like personify the fire like 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: it's out to get everybody. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: It's so but that one had a villain who was 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: starting the fires. Twister and Twisters I came to see 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: find out when I went and saw Twisters are ridiculous 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: films where it's like, I don't know, I guess it's 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: the same as Jaws, which is my favorite movie a 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: long time. 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: To at least Jaws is like a sentient creature, right, yeah. 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. With the tornadoes, they're like this tornado, this tornado 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: is smart. They're coming back for it. 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 3: Like, no, what about the Sylvester was it Volcano or 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: like that Volcano movie? 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sylvester Stallone had had a Cliffhanger, okay, uh, which 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: in which John Litk was the bad guy. We're act 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: to believe that he could like fight Sylvester Stallone in 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: a climactic hand to hand combat on the side of 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: a mountain. 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: And there is a movie called Volcano though, and I 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: want to see Jones hmm. 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I can find those two in my head. 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Wait is that Dante's peak? 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: Which one's. 29 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: They were both? 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: Yes, they were both around the same time too. 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: It's a deep impact armageddon scenario. 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Why don't they just get off the volcano? 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: Well, they just leave, You've always that's always the first question. 34 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm assuming they had somebody stuck at the top, would 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: be my guess. I saw neither of the Volcano movies. 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: I was too good for them. 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: They didn't have the large eagles from the third act. 38 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: They didn't have them come into Mordor yet. 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Right, they're actually trying to throw a ring into the 40 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: top of the volcano. The whole journey was about that. 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, seventy one, 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: Episode four of Dear Daily's I Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio. 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: into American shared consciousness. We now have the YouTube channel. 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Go to YouTube slash at daily Zey Guyspot. You can 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: go see an episode a week on video. It's a blast. 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: We look amazing. It's Thursday, January sixteenth, twenty twenty four. 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Donate two Miles dinner 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: ane name donate two Miles. That is courtesy of Steaming 50 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Chunk on the discord, and uh yeah, shout out to 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: all the people who donated to Miles on his GoFundMe. 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: Shout out to Maximum Derek on Blue Sky, who built 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: a really cool lightsaber that he is auctioning off to 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: raise funds for Miles and his family who lost their 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: home in the fires in Los Angeles. And yeah, we'll 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: link off to those fundraisers. I think I linked off 57 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: to the wrong one and the trends yesterday. Sorry about that, 58 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Maximum Derek, but I think we linked off to the 59 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: right one in the regular episodes. So yeah, and we'll 60 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: also link off to other lists of displaced families in 61 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: the Los Angeles area. It's a vetted list with go 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: fund means that you can contribute to. But yeah, then, 63 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: thinking of all the people who are affected, still being affected, 64 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: in the Miles seat by a very talented writer, stand 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: up comedian, and co host of The Bechdel Cast, one 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: of the great film podcasts. It's Kaitlin Durante. 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 5: I don't have a song AKA, but you know me 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: as nine tit Dracula Latin dancer Uti ss R and 70 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 5: D Titanic Boom, et cetera. 71 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera, one of the most tandogram moopol 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: names in the English language. 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 5: Thank you. 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: I also like, was that be boo bee boo as 75 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: you were entering or we woo? It was like it 76 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: was a we wou we woo we woo. But I like, 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: be boo, be boo bee boo boo boo. I'm entering, 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, entering the digital code to get into the 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: podcast boo boo. 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: Well, I've uploaded my consciousness to the Singularity, so it's 81 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: not actually me. It's just some version of what might 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: be my brain talking to you right now. Yeah, bee boopoo. 83 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you back, Caitlin. Thank you 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. 86 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: We are thrilled to be joined by a very funny comedian, actor, writer, 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: an improviser who's special spiritually filthy. You ought to go 88 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: check out right now. It's on YouTube as well. Please 89 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: welcome the very funny Mortoo. 90 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: What's up you guys? 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: Thanks for having What's up? It's like the computer police. 92 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, when the cop when the cop cars are unmanned. 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: That's what that's right, that's what they're going to sound 94 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: like the Robustops company. Way Wamo, way Mo. Yeah yeah yeah, 95 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: way Mo. Trouble than it's worth, if you ask me, 96 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: that's what boo and that is. That's the new rim shot. 97 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 6: When you're making fun of robots, that's the that's the 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 6: right how it would be like but like, yeah, I. 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: Don't know the way mos like takes a long time 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: to get there and only does a certain area. And 101 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: it's a robot. Yeah. 102 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: I saw one the other day, like making a left 103 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: in front of me, and it totally felt like a 104 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: ghost was driving a car like my robot brain, my 105 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: robot brain. I was gonna say, but like lizard brain. 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: But I think it's a robot. 107 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: No, I can experience. I have empathy. 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? 110 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: It is the new cow for me, the way Moo 111 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: in the sense that I am incapable of driving past 112 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: one and not pointing it out to whoever's in the 113 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: car with me. Yeah, like, guys, guys, stop shut up. 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: There's there's a waybow car. 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 116 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: There's another one. 117 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: That's like what was that thing? 118 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: When we were kids, you'd like see a certain type 119 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: of car and then you'd like slap the roof of 120 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 5: your the car you were in when you were driving by, 121 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 5: or you go like, does anyone know what I'm talking about? 122 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 7: Ye? 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: And then there was like a Woodies Whacker. 124 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Or something, a Woody whacker like that. 125 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 5: Do you remember the station wagon? 126 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 127 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you saw one of those, you'd go Woody 128 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 5: Whacker and then you'd like hit who your sister that 129 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 5: was right there? 130 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? I I only got the punch Buggy and 131 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: only found out about it after the fact, two relatively 132 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: peaceful sisters who did not beat the ship out of me, 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: and so I just found out about it, like on 134 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: a field trip, and you know, had to we did. 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: We did Woody Whacker, but it was only when we 136 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: saw Woody Harrelson. Anyway, you grew up in in the industry, Yeah, 137 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of tears, you know. Yeah. 138 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Mark, Caitlin, it's wonderful having you both. 139 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: We are going to get to know you mort a 140 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: little bit better by asking you some overrated, underrated search 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: history stuff. But before we do that, we do like 142 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: to tell our listeners. A couple of things we'll be 143 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: talking about later on in the episode. In the news section, 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this New Yorker article on 145 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: ultra processed foods. I've been hearing for many years. It's 146 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: actually not the like nutritional content of the food. It's 147 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: like how processed it is or like how it's made 148 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: that actually is determinative if it's going to like kill you. 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: And the New Yorker did kind of like an interesting 150 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: nuanced look at that and like what the really bad 151 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: processed foods actually are. Turns out processed meats are not good. 152 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: And then we have like a little tag onto that 153 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: onto the processed meats aren't very good aspect of it. 154 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: Because there's the ap just Foyd, a USDA Inspectrum report 155 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: at Bareshead Factories, and it is wild in there. It 156 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: is fucking no boy, No, is it like that what's 157 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: that book The Jungle? Yeah, it's really bad alesque in there. 158 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: They're like it's mostly human fingers. 159 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a all hamm is just human fingers 160 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: and teeth and face meat. And then we'll either talk 161 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: about the plethora of just unhinged Jesus movies that are 162 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: coming our way in the next year or two, or 163 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Village People playing at Trump's inauguration, 164 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: which ew, yeah, they're gonna. They really took that y 165 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: mc A thing from being a gay anthem to being 166 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: now like they're they're like full fully on board, although 167 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: they claim like at first they were like, I'm not 168 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: We're not gonna play in this inauguration or anything. We're 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: just gonna let him play our song and make it 170 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: more popular. And now they're like, we are, we are 171 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: in fact going to play his inauguration along with Carrie Underwood. 172 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: Oh oh, I know, are they going to change the 173 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: lyrics to M A g A. 174 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: That's kind of fun, I mean hate, but that's that's 175 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: a good idea. 176 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of their band managers. 177 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: Nobody has like been more easily psychoanalyzed in like public 178 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: than the lead singer of The Village People, Victor Willis, 179 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: who is the most avowedly straight per like, just keeps 180 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: reiterating how straight he is and how what nobody would 181 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: ever anybody who calls it a gay anthem. He's not 182 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: just saying I'm going to sue them to double down 183 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: on the fact that he's not gay. He his threat 184 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: is that his wife is going to sue them anybody 185 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: who calls MC a gay anthem heterosexual lawyer? 186 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: What are sexually married? 187 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: So we'll probably end up talking about that one all 188 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: that plenty more. But first more, we do like to 189 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: ask our guest, what is something from your search. 190 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: His you know, well, speaking of people that like cars, 191 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: I we as we know, I grew up skateboarding on 192 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: the skateboard liaison to this podcast, so it's usually all 193 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: skateboard stuff. But I all when I hit forty, there 194 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: was this midlife crisis thing where I got super into cars. 195 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: So right now I'm just obsessed with owning a like 196 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars mas to Miata. Yeah that's like what 197 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I've been looking at primarily on my sae. Yeah yeah, 198 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: what like just a really cheap, reliable. 199 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: Little tiny, tiny, tiny little boy. 200 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: Car with that's a convertible. That's my that's my dream 201 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: right now. 202 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the little Yeah. 203 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like indestructible, they don't win anything. They're very 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: dangerous to drive because no one can see them. 205 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: But no one can see them and like they might 206 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: accidentally squash them like you would a bug, yeah, because 207 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: they're so much smaller than the increasingly giant fucking pickup 208 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: trucks that prow the streets of New York City. Ram God, yeah, Rams. 209 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: And then they're like, you know what, Rams aren't fucking 210 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: masculine enough. We need a raptor. Now there's like fucking 211 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: trucks called Raptors that are all over the place. And 212 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: they're like, I don't know, I know a lot of 213 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: people who I like who are like, man, I would 214 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: love to get a Raptor. Oh, the Ford Raptor, the 215 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: Ford Raptor. Yeah. They're like, fuck you Dodge and your 216 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: your weak ass ram, you know it, get it ass 217 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: kicked by a Ram. 218 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for, like the Chevy Football or like the 219 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, the Ford Divorce, the Ford solverback Gorilla. 220 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the Ford Divorce. 221 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: What uh? 222 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: How's the car hunt going? 223 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: It's all right where, you know, I don't know. Whatever 224 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking on Facebook Marketplace usually had like offer up. 225 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a fun little adventure when I 226 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: go to whoever whatever random home in like East Los 227 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: Angeles is gonna sell me one of these things? 228 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: Is this your first experience with a wheeled vehicle besides 229 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: the skateboard. Are you gonna have to like someone's gonna 230 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: have to show you that, Like you sit inside this 231 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: one and there's like a an engine that moves it 232 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: around instead of you with your leg. 233 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, ute, try and push it like a flintstonesmobile or whatever. 234 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, so so much to learn. But similarly, 235 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: you probably could just like use your weight to like 236 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: get it to do an ali because it's so small. 237 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. I should. I can 238 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: kick flip this tiny car, flip. 239 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: The tiny car, the Miata, step on the rear fender 240 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: and it like pops up catches in front of it 241 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: in your hand. What more? Is something you think is underrated? 242 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: Underrated? Right now too, I'm gonna give you two. First 243 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: of all, altruism in general kindness to others, which is 244 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing a ton of in Los Angeles, which 245 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: is so great. It was one the other day somebody, 246 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: did they turn a boutique into a free boutique? Did 247 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: you that? So it just looks like a normal like 248 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: boutiqui store that they're giving the clothes away for free. 249 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: They're limiting like ten items per person or whatever. 250 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: Wow. 251 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: That is just and I'm seeing stuff like people are 252 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: being like, we don't don't this isn't gospel anymore. But 253 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: like two days ago, it's like we don't need any 254 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: more donations and we don't need any more volunteers. That's 255 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: how much people are coming out for this. 256 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 257 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: I just want to like let that. I mean, I 258 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: know people are aware of it, but I'm just seeing 259 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: it everywhere. 260 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's gonna I do just want to 261 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: say on the like I think there's going where when 262 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: we're going to need is like a week from now. 263 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: Like with with the volunteers and the donations, you know, 264 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: it's like once it's no longer on the front page. 265 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, it has been really cool to see people 266 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: like all come together on this. 267 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all super Yeah, it's all super grassroots 268 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: and all through primarily like Instagram and all that, you know, 269 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: So it's like a really cool connective thread running through everything, 270 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: which has been very heartening out here. 271 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. And yeah, what's overrated? 272 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, I want to do with my second underrated, which 273 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: is there was a period when Snack they were making 274 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: treats that were like oversized that were like, first they 275 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: started with the Hershey's Kiss that was giant, remember that, Yeah, 276 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: And then it seemed for a while they made the 277 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: Taco Bell did a collab with cheese It where they 278 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: made a giant cheese it mm hmm. And I always 279 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: had the idea for it was always I called it 280 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: one big cheese it, and I wanted to be I 281 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be a cheese at the size of the box, 282 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: you know. So I just thought that was a really 283 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: powerful movement in the snack world. And I want to see, 284 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: like I want to see one big, one big ruffle 285 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, regular Lays, potato chip, whatever, Just one 286 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: giant you know what I mean. 287 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: I want giant one. I want one big. 288 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: Thing of I want one giant grain of rice. You know. 289 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: I want every interesting item of food to be made 290 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: like that is small to me, be made one and huge. 291 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: They kind of have that in like Korean food has 292 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: these rice noodle like rice cake thing is that I'm 293 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: drawing a blank on the name of. But they are 294 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: almost like a big they have the consistency. They're a 295 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: little more chewy than that, but like that does feel 296 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: like you're cutting into a giant grain of rice a 297 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: little bit. 298 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: It's just so fun it is. 299 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: I love the idea of a giant So do you 300 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: feel like Taco Bell rip you off a little bit? 301 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I honestly feel like yeah. And I was talking about 302 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: it a lot too much. People were asking me to 303 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: stop talking about it. 304 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: I had a similar thing in the early aughts when 305 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: I was a young person. I was adamant that Eminem's 306 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: needed to make a pretzel. Eminem's like that, like they needed. 307 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: I loved chocolate covered pretzels. My main problem with chocolate 308 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: cover pretzels too much surface area. They melted make a 309 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: pretzel Eminem And they eventually did, didn't give me any money, 310 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: and they also did a bad job of it. The preslam. 311 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a problem. 312 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: They're just I don't know, like that. It's easy to 313 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: get a bad pretzel, you know, like pretzels can have 314 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: like bad it's are they're not you know, idiot proof, 315 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: like you could you can have a bad pretzel. I 316 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: feel like these are bad pretzels. And also the pretzels 317 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: are too small. I think it needed to be mini 318 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: pretzels covered in chocolate covered in eminem coating is what 319 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: would have made it really sing. But they weren't ready 320 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: for that. 321 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: You're like me, are a snack snack moster damis. 322 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, less visionaries. It is tough. 323 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 5: Well, I remember a few easter seasons ago, and they 324 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 5: probably still do this. I feel like during holidays like 325 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 5: Christmas in Easter, they'll have like huge versions of like 326 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 5: a TwixT or a reces or like a Hershey kiss 327 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 5: like you said, And a few years ago, I got 328 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 5: my hands on a very large egg shaped twix bar. 329 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 5: Twixts are my favorite candy bar. Who but the problem 330 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 5: was the distribution of ingredients with way off, Like there's 331 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 5: way too much caramel and like not enough cookie parts. 332 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 5: So like the thing about enlarged snacks, I'm for it. 333 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 5: A few pitches even like a bowling ball sized. What 334 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 5: are those like ferrerowling shares or whatever in the. 335 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Gold or whatever. 336 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can you imagine you need to really nail 337 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: the ratio on that one. 338 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 5: The ratio is very important, and I feel like they 339 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 5: usually get it wrong. So yeah, it's it's very it's 340 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 5: very delicate. 341 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: Yea, No, that's I mean that they need us on 342 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: the I'm perfectly prepared to start designing these candies for people. Yeah, 343 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: I'll give up everything to do that marriage, everything, even 344 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: your master miata. 345 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: You keep offering to give up your marriage times. We're 346 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: doing great. 347 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm like the Y M c A guy. 348 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: We're doing so good. We're doing so good, We're so 349 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: straight and in love. Yeah, it's uh, do you so? 350 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: I like the big cheese at that's the size of 351 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: the box. The ruffle that's the side. Like that one's interesting. 352 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 2: I think you would have to like create a new 353 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: packaging for it, But I do think it needs to happen. 354 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: Like I'm convinced me too. 355 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: I think even like the first of all, the sales 356 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: are going to be astronomical. I think that just like 357 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: untold billions, because it's gonna take a lot of money 358 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: to design these, Like yeah, I know that they literally 359 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: spend millions of dollars perfecting like the ruffles, chip and stuff. 360 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: That's why they're so addictive. Yeah, and yeah, it's gonna 361 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: be at least that amount of money to make it 362 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: six times as large, and then yeah, the packaging. It's 363 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: a whole thing, but it's gonna pay off. 364 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: It is. I fully believe that we are gonna be 365 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: talking about how much how much all of the best, 366 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: like scientific minds of the past three to four generations 367 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: have just gone into like making food addictive. Like that's 368 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: what they've done the problem they've tried to solve. But 369 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a moment. What is something? 370 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: Do you have anything he thinks overrated or just too underrated? 371 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: Well, this is cool because this is movie related. So 372 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad to click Caitlyn's here because I want to 373 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: know what she thinks about this. I think very recently 374 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: I've decided Harmony Karen is overrated. And here's why. He's 375 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: been like paling around Miami with Jared and Ivanka, like 376 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: him and his wife, they're going to like Zionist fundraising 377 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: stuff all this, like like hanging out with basically the 378 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: worst people in Miami. And he started a skateboard company 379 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: called called edge Lord, which he is an edge lord 380 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they have like interesting skateboarders on there. But 381 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: it made me rethink all of his movies where I 382 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: was like, if you've seen Gumo he wrote kids, He's 383 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: like this kind of like he's this art house tour guy. 384 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: Bring Breakers was that the name of that movie? 385 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 386 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 5: Breakers? He directed the other one of his I've as 387 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 5: a Beach Bomb and between spring Breakers and Beach Bomb 388 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 5: two of my least favorite movies of all time. So 389 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 5: I'm fully in agreement with you mort about him being overrated. 390 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 5: I think he sucks. 391 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's like have you did you see Gummo? No, 392 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I didn't see that one. Yes, you see his early 393 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: stuff he has he actually there are aspects of his 394 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: filmmaking which are kind of masterful, Like in some ways 395 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: he's able to make some stuff really beautiful, but all 396 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: that stuff is like this very shocky, like it'll be 397 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: like this really strange looking sort of boy in a bathtub, 398 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: like eating spaghetti. It's this very But now I look 399 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, wait, do you just hate 400 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: poor people? Like is this like all of this just 401 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be like this is this spectacle with no 402 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: heart or capacity for caring, Like it's a very I 403 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I already was like really on the fence, 404 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh, he might be just like 405 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: have been evil the whole time, but he is really 406 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: funny on Letterman. That's the only thing about him. 407 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: I need to go back and look at it. Lenmin 408 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: Interviews because otherwise not not a fan based on what 409 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: I've heard so far and the kids the script I 410 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: feel like is not the thing. It's not is not 411 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: what's cool about kids? 412 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: I barely remember that movie. Yeah, so I'm seeing that 413 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 5: Harmony Krinn has a child named Lefty. 414 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: Bell Lefty Bell m. 415 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: That's probably like a reference to like a silent film 416 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: star or something. I imagine, just the way that he rolls. 417 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 418 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: His skateboard company, edge Lord is pretty on the nose, 419 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: but I guess nothing he does is not on the nose, right, 420 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: it's pretty Yeah. 421 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: It's just a whole weird thing. I don't like it. Yeah, man, 422 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this. I don't like when 423 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: right wing stuff happens in skateboarding makes me feel very icky. 424 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: Feels yeah, what is the what's the scene? And we 425 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: got more our man on the street for skateboarding? Here, 426 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: our skater on the skateboard beat? What's the vibe? Like? 427 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen at least Nate Silver is telling 428 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: me there's been a vibe shift everywhere across social media 429 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: and a lot of different subcultures towards the right. Is 430 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: that happening in skateboarding? It feels like kind of anathema 431 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: for sure. 432 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: What's up, Jack, I'm here talking to a lot of 433 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: teens out here on the skatebeat, and these teenage boys 434 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: and gals there. Look, skateboarding can be. It's it's like 435 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: a guitar or something. It can be used in any 436 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: capacity you want it to be. The really cool thing 437 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: is that there's been a huge growth on the opposite 438 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: end of this, which is like there's like a lot 439 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: of LGBTQ plus skateboard, a lot of queer skateboarders at 440 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: least two queer owned skateboard companies, and a lot more 441 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: like women and non binary people in skateboarding who are 442 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: making it way better. Like it's they're doing this really interesting. 443 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of them like rip, like they're really 444 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: really good, and then some of them are doing this 445 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: thing where they're like, we don't care if we're good, 446 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: and that's really important because skateboarding, you know, it's been 447 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: fourteen year old boys for most of its most of 448 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: it's right, So there's this there's this kind of a 449 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: little bit toxic rule, you know, thing that happens there. 450 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: So aspects of skateboard he had actually have actually shifted 451 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: way towards the left, which is so necessary. And then 452 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: there's these small sections of people who like say that, 453 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: who's the there's this dude, damn it, I can't remember. Well, 454 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: it's actually good that I can't remember his name. This 455 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: like right wing podcaster guy who is like a terrible 456 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: pop punk band and also claims to be a skateboarder. 457 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: He does skateboard, but luckily he has awful style. Pregetting 458 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: his name, but he was fully was He's the guy 459 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: who was being funded by Russia. Like there was an 460 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: ext mo day where all that he's one of the 461 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: main dudes, and you're like, yeah, of course he was. 462 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, it really is just fucking Russian money 463 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: and billionaire libertarians all the way down. That's the's all 464 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: you need to do is be like, yeah, fuck it, 465 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: I'm right wing and there's suddenly a money truck at 466 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: your house. 467 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. And especially this idea that like I'm cool, I'm hit, brother, 468 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: it's such lack of I'm not a dude, you know, yeah. 469 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: Exactly, And it's like working in some places, a lot 470 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: of these fucking influencers are just like yeah, it's actually 471 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: what's cool is thinking this republican president is cool and edgy. 472 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 473 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: Man, shit, all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. 474 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll talk about ultra processed foods. We'll 475 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: be right back. And we're back. And so there's a 476 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: New Yorker article about nutrition. I generally feel like nutrition 477 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: is fake. The heart one, I think it's fake. I 478 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: don't think food is real. I think they actually just 479 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: come and inject us with the nutrient we need in 480 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and then the food is 481 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: all made of wax. It's when you're a robot. 482 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 5: You don't even need it. 483 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: None of us are robots here. 484 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: Robot, please show up, give you, charge you up. My 485 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: food is the plug in the wall. It's just so, 486 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: it's like gun statistics and shit like that, where there's 487 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: just like these massive both multi billion dollar interests who 488 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 2: have vast networks designed to make it impossible to learn 489 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: the real information from inside America about like nutrition or 490 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: how bad guns are, et cetera. But so we we 491 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: like get our information like largely just through like word 492 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: of mouth and Yahoo articles that can't make their fucking 493 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: mind up about whether chocolate and wine or good for you. 494 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: Like that, Basically all it's just like back and forth 495 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: on that one issue about like how red wine actually 496 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: good for you. They they generally the mainstream consensus is 497 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: like you just got to eat enough of these foods. 498 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: They'll never tell you to eat like less of anything 499 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: because that is anti capitalist. So the latest kind of 500 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: trend in the world of nutrition is focusing on ultra 501 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: processed foods and it became kind of this popular villain 502 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: where the idea is that something about the way the 503 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: ingredients are broken down makes them like harder to stop consuming. 504 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: And it's like the food is like already broken down. 505 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: There's all sorts of chemicals that are in there that 506 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: make them absorb into your body differently. They've done all 507 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: sorts of tests where like when people eat certain things 508 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: like their blood glucose level like shoots through the through 509 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: the roof, and like also of like things happen to 510 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: your body that shouldn't be happening that make your body 511 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: basically crave more food. It's creating a thing where by 512 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: eating food, you want to eat more food. 513 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 5: Is that why I'm always hungry? 514 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? Like so that's the thing. It's like they in 515 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: reading about this and there's like a lot of writing 516 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: on those people people talk about like get as you 517 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: cut these out of your diet, you become less hungry 518 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: as you're eating less food because you're not like getting 519 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: these weird signals to your body. But it's like it's 520 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: more nuanced than that, so that the article is basically 521 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: like it's not it's not the ultra processed aspect of it, 522 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: Like you can't actually focus it on that. It's like 523 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: more nuanced than that. It's hyper palatable ultra processed food. 524 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: And also like super calorie dense ultra process food. So 525 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: when they're like using the pro to just like jam 526 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: pack a bunch as many like calories as possible into 527 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: the food our body. Like even I had kind of 528 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: always I read this book Salt, Sugar Fat a long 529 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: time ago. That's about the way the food industry basically 530 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: took that. Like a lot of the top scientists were 531 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: working for the tobacco industry because that's where the money was, 532 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: like in the fifties and sixties, and then they were like, well, shit, 533 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: this is this isn't good. We're all going to get 534 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: sued badly, and so they started like buying like R. J. 535 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: Reynolds bought Nabisco, and a lot of that same science 536 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: started going into like how do we make food the 537 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: thing that's addictive, because like addiction is the best thing 538 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: for like a capitalist enterprise, like the person just can't 539 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: stop consuming. And so that book I came away from 540 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: being like the issue is just they made the food 541 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: taste too good, Like they there's these they really yeah, 542 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: like and you read like the scientist. There's like people 543 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: who are like considered geniuses within their field for like 544 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: inventing this thing called like mouthfeel, and they're like the 545 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: mouthfeel and we got the perfect mouthfeel on the like 546 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: nacho cheese dorito, and like it's a thing that like 547 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: never your mouth never stops getting tired of eating, and 548 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: like it's just impossible to like stop. And so the 549 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: thing that this adds to it is like when they're 550 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: using the ultra processing, even if it like doesn't taste 551 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: incredibly good what they call in this study like ultra palatable, 552 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: it's still people like if it's super calorie dense, there's 553 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: something in our body that is like really like gets 554 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: a charge out of eating like a calorie dense not 555 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: hyper palatable, but like ultra processed food. And they found 556 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: that like when they give that stuff, even if it 557 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: like doesn't taste incredible, when they give a diet that 558 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 2: is ultraprocessed and really calorie dents to people, like they 559 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: eat eight hundred more calories than they otherwise would if 560 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: it's ultra palatable, like the dorido oreo, like the ones 561 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: that have gone through that process, they eat a thousand 562 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: more calories. But they did find that, like when they 563 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: served people ultra processed foods that were neither calorie dense 564 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: or hyper palatable, like the example they give is like 565 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: liquid eggs, flavored yogurt and oatmeal, turkey bacon, and brito 566 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: bowls with beans, people ate essentially as much as they 567 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: did on the minimally processed diet. So it's not like 568 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: the processing that is the problem. And like that one 569 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: of the points to like one of the nutritionists who 570 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: is like thinks the ultra processed thing is like bullshit. 571 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: Makes is like in their world of like ultra processed 572 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: food being the bad guy, Like they have canned kidney 573 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: beings in the same category as like gummy bears. You know, 574 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: it's just all they all have like chemicals, and so 575 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: they're all bad and it's like, no, if the food 576 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: is just ultra processed and is not super hyper charged 577 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: with like tons of calories like that, you'll be able 578 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: to like eat a normal amount. It's just speak for you. 579 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: I just like a full whole of kidney beans. 580 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: Right, can of kidney beans over hair, and. 581 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: Then's just some liquid eggs, you know. 582 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: Liquid eggs. Take a shot of liquid. They really made 583 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: that one. 584 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: So two word phrase I've ever heard of my life. 585 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: I know, but yeah, I don't know like it is. 586 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: It's not so if it's not the ultra processing, that 587 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: is like good news because like that that food is 588 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: much less expensive. So it's like, you know, you just 589 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: have to I don't know, like they don't have a 590 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: great solution for this, but they do seem to suggest 591 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: that like the two types of ultra processed foods that 592 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: do shortened people's lives are sugary drinks and sodas and 593 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: processed meats. And then when you actually look at like 594 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: hyperprocessed breads, cold cereals, dairy products such as slavery yogurts 595 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: and savory snacks, it actually makes it's actually not bad 596 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: for you. It might be like makes me live longer, 597 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: it makes you live longer. You can back to my 598 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: goldfish crackers makes me hotter? Okay, well yeah naked, it's 599 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: my stomach taut gat Yeah. But the problem, right, the problem. 600 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: Is that the processing. The problem is the food design. 601 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: The problem was like, is this created by a man 602 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: like with a beakers and a lab coat feeding stuff 603 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: into a computer? 604 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, food with like yeah, with like a chart of 605 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: like your hunger spiking, like you know, yeah, wow, we've 606 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: noticed that on the eighth chip that's when the hunger 607 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: and the craving for more actually spikes to its highest levels. 608 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: That is like literally the type of shit that they do. 609 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: So I think it's just I don't know, like we 610 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: might just need to go product by product, But like 611 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: I do feel like, as I was like reading this 612 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: and thinking through it, I feel like it's just a 613 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: matter of like kind of thinking about how the foods 614 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: that I eat actually feel and like taste to me, 615 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: And like there are certain certain cereals that like they 616 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: raise the idea of like shredded wheat being a cereal 617 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: that is not even an ultra processed food even though 618 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: it comes in a box. It's like two ingredients. It's fine, 619 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: but shredded wheats fucking sucks. It's so nasty it sucks. 620 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: It's like shouldn't even be considered at least the name 621 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: is awful. That's like it's like fucking cold paper, like 622 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: it's the wor and that's what it tastes like. It 623 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: tastes like you poured milk on packaging material. But then like, 624 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: have you guys ever had raisin brand crunch? Yeah, that shit, 625 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 2: like raisin brand crunch is drugs. Like that shit is 626 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: for me so much better than regular raisin. Stop eating. 627 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: I hate it. 628 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 5: I hate raisins and I hate brand, but throw a 629 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 5: crunch in there. I'm smiling. 630 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: I think like every single like flake is coated in 631 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: like three layers of like crystallized sugar, so like never 632 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: never gets soggy and is just the sweetest thing that 633 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: I've ever like tasted in my life. 634 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: But I'd be interested to find out why evolutionarily we're 635 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: so into that sweet delicious crunch because I'm like, and 636 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: same with chips. I can't stop eating insane amount of chips. Yeah, 637 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: mouth feel right. 638 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 2: I think it's they've hijacked our like evolutionary processes to 639 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: ye in such a way that like, yeah, we we 640 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: just like can't not doing it, and that's that's the 641 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 2: point of it. 642 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're talking about addiction. You know. I'm yes, 643 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: I'm sober because I'm a hero, the greatest hero. But 644 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: but it's you, don't you know, You're totally right about 645 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,479 Speaker 1: addiction and capitalism, you know. And the wild thing about 646 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: it is you don't really feel the effects of addiction 647 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: until you stop. Like, the problem is not when you're 648 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: actively using. The problem is how do you live when 649 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: you're no longer using the raisin brand crunch like opioids. 650 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, it's so we're all like, we're all 651 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: gonna at some point, we're gonna like it's the phones, 652 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: it's the computer, it's the food. All of this stuff 653 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: is designed to be addicted. 654 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: You know. 655 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, like we can't live without food. 656 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 5: So they're like they're capitalizing on our very basic, you know, 657 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 5: very basic necessities of life, and they're like, how do 658 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 5: we make this even because I mean, let's be honest, 659 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 5: eating is one of the few enjoyable things about life. 660 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 5: Everything else about it sucks, but eating like the joy 661 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 5: in euphoria I feel during every meal. I'm like, we 662 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 5: I love life. Right now while I'm eating people, I'm 663 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 5: having a great time. But like it's just it's really 664 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 5: a sinister that they're like, how can we inject a 665 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 5: bunch of stuff that? Yeah, from like an evolutionary point 666 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 5: of view, it's like, you know, sugar entering our bodies 667 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 5: probably like some there's some signal where it's like, oh 668 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 5: my god, like this is important or this is like 669 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 5: you'll be able to store this as energy, or this 670 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 5: will be used as energy that you know that you 671 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 5: need to go do something else. But we're but we're 672 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 5: so like sedentary. 673 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: Our bodies are like machines that are like designed like 674 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 2: one of the primary functions is like not starving. Like 675 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: that that was all like at the time that we 676 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: our bodies were being designed by natural selection, the main 677 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: thing that they were concerned with is not starting. So 678 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: we have like these fucking alarms and like all these 679 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 2: like bells and whistles built into our circuitry. That's just 680 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: like yes, oh really that more of that, yes Jesus, yeah, yeah, 681 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 2: don't stop. 682 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: And this is the same thing about like a need 683 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: for social validation, right, it's like please don't kick me 684 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: out of the cave, you know, So this. So if 685 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: you like my post, it's the exact same thing of like, 686 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,959 Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel safe, you know, And Okay, 687 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say something kind of harrowing right now, 688 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: which is that, like I'm ready. The thing about being 689 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: addicted to stuff is it does seem like the entire 690 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: world is a nightmare except for doing the thing that 691 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: you're addicted to. So like, so I think there's so 692 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: much of the stuff that is designed to get us 693 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: high in some sort of capacity, and that like true 694 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: joy doesn't come from a high. It's like a much 695 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: different experience. It's about something about like settling into reality 696 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: and appreciating the president and all this stuff. But yeah, 697 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: it becomes super hard when you have you're like fed 698 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: all this hyper addicted stuff all the time. 699 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, my experience with addiction was a lot of like 700 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 2: almost having a separate person or like you know, entity 701 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: in my body that was like acting behind the scenes 702 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 2: of my consciousness, like at a sub a venom who 703 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 2: was like making decisions in such a way that like 704 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 2: it would make me want my you know, the thing 705 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: I was addicted to, and like it would make me 706 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: not want other things that like everything else would seem 707 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: like it sucked. 708 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And it talks to you 709 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: in your own voice. So for me, it tricks me 710 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: into thinking that I want this thing. But it's like 711 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want eleven beers on a Tuesday, but 712 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: that I do because my voices. 713 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 5: People drink eleven beers on Tuesdays. The voice, Yeah, yeah, 714 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 5: we got taco Tuesday. We got eleven beers Tuesday. A 715 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 5: lot of people drink a couple before work, most people, 716 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 5: most people, most people are Actually that is a thing 717 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 5: that I remember from being an addiction, and like talking 718 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 5: to other fellow addicts at the time, we were always. 719 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 2: Certain everybody was also like like, oh, that guy's that 720 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 2: guy's so high right now, Look how high that guy is. 721 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: It's like, no, man, he's probably just leaped a pride. 722 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: He probably was like a kid at home, you weirdo. 723 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: But anyways, I was always certain that everybody was just 724 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: as high as I was. Yeah, I think I think 725 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: they're like, it's a might be a bad way to 726 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: organize your society, this this capitalism after all, because it's uh, yeah, 727 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 2: it just it seems like one of the kind of 728 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 2: mind bend the ideas they talked about, And the thing 729 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 2: is like people having to retrain their taste buds and 730 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: their hunger because you're in this like boombust like meth 731 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: equivalent of food consumption that engineers like high highs and 732 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: low lows, and you stop being able to taste like 733 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 2: non ultra processed foods as much until you like get 734 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: yourself off of them for a while, Like. 735 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 5: I have you do this every few months, like I will. 736 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 5: I'll be on a stint where I'm like, oh, I'm 737 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 5: eating so many like vegetables and fruits and you know, 738 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 5: like whatever lean proteins and like stuff that's good for 739 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 5: your body. And then winter rolls around and I'm like, well, 740 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 5: I need to eat three pizzas, okay, Like I just can't, 741 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 5: Like I keep I can't train my body to like 742 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 5: get all the way there. I keep returning to like 743 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 5: the bad processed addictive stuff. 744 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: Well it is I had to quit most Like I 745 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: don't eat much sugar. Well, I don't eat sweets, right, 746 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't eat because I and not because I'm 747 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: a saint. Because I again transferred the addiction to Snickers bars. 748 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: So I was eating like a bag of gummy bears 749 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: and Ben and Jerry's and all this shit. 750 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 2: So like, so two. 751 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: Crazy things happen when I stopped that, which is that 752 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: my depression went from being like a week at a 753 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: time to like an hour, right, Yeah, And that was 754 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: also based on how much I was using it, you know, 755 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: but now for sure, like I had a grape the 756 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: other day that straight up tasted like skittles or something, 757 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: because because my body's not used to that insane level 758 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: of sugar anymore, it's pretty great. 759 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 2: And also because they're genetically engineering skittles grapes. 760 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah what I said grape, I meant the handful of skittles, 761 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: a great flavored skittles. 762 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know. It's uh, the one the 763 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 2: one process ultra processed food that it feels like there 764 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 2: is broad consensus about is ultra processed meats, which have 765 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,479 Speaker 2: never seemed like at a just at a young age, 766 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: I was I was eating so much cold cuts that 767 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: was like a huge chunk of my family's diet, Like 768 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 2: it was just and I remember having the thought, what 769 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 2: the fuck is this like going to the grocery store, 770 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: having you know, my parent order a pound of sliced 771 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 2: ham and watching them take the giant ham shaped like 772 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 2: globule and like put it on the slicer. Yeah yeah, 773 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: like and put it on the slicer, and just being 774 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 2: like that, what we like, what could it even be? 775 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 7: Like? 776 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 2: I you know, like in my head, I was like 777 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 2: eating sliced turkey, like off of a turkey, and then 778 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 2: you go to the store and it's not that. And 779 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 2: so recently there was a listeria outbreak at a boresheat 780 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 2: factory and people started wondering, Hey, what we've all trusted 781 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 2: for like a handful of decades. Now that Boar's Head 782 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 2: is like high quality, pure shit, like really good stuff, 783 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 2: Let's let's start taking a look inside head factories and 784 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 2: it's wild like that. So they just the ap just 785 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 2: published like some of the foyage reports and like one 786 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: of these USDA inspectors I'm just gonna quote from. I'll 787 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 2: just do my personal favorite, Like there's stuff about like 788 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 2: ham mold storage rooms and uh residual ham material. This 789 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 2: was written up in the Defector, which is a great, 790 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 2: great website, Like thank god there's still good websites out there. 791 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 2: But while observing designated floor trash personnel clean around the department, 792 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 2: I noticed him used a stainless steel hook to pick 793 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 2: up a small piece of meat approximately the size of 794 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 2: a baseball, from underneath the bench where meat was being 795 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 2: pulled onto the line. So the line being the thing 796 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 2: that was meat meat goes into the inbox and comes 797 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 2: out as the meat ham globule thing that is in Yes, 798 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 2: the meat conveyor, but this was this is my favorite 799 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 2: one from a report filed September sixteenth, twenty twenty, from 800 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 2: the USDA inspector who I don't think this was like 801 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 2: an undercover inspection. I think like they just like went 802 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 2: in there. They're like, guys, the inspector's here today, be 803 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 2: sure to pull the ham baseballs with the with the 804 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 2: ham hooks onto the line to make sure it all 805 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 2: looks good. 806 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: But like this was has anybody clean the ham hook. 807 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 2: In any four years? It's looking kind of it looks 808 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 2: like it's got about a little bit of residual ham material. 809 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: That was the name of my hardcore band. 810 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 2: It's a great name. It's like that has become U 811 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 2: the That was the headline of the Defector article on 812 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 2: people in the comments are just non stop talking about 813 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: residual hamd material. But from September sixteenth, twenty twenty, I 814 00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: observed for Deluxe Ham Large babies, Deluxe Ham Large babies 815 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 2: all capitalized on the convey those things, those Ham globule 816 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 2: things are called Deluxe Ham Ham Large baby babies because 817 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 2: they're the size of a baby, I guess, and pink 818 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 2: like a baby. 819 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 7: I observed for Deluxe Ham large babies on the conveyor belt. 820 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 7: Natural that you do around a baby exactly, pass through 821 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 7: the convey metal detector, set it off, and then bypass 822 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 7: the reject arm. 823 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 2: Upon further investigation, these Hams failed to slide onto the 824 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,919 Speaker 2: disposition cart adjacent to the reject arm because the cart 825 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 2: was already overflowing with approximately eight other hands. 826 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 5: Eight other Ham large babies. 827 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 2: Just giant giant Ham babies, like plogging up the works 828 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 2: from just and nobody entering, Nobody, like emptying the rejected 829 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 2: hambaby be a cart. 830 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 5: That's my hardcore band name baby. 831 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 2: Hamdbaby, rejected Hamdbaby. 832 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: Carted Ham Baby. 833 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 6: Jesus, we got a. 834 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: Hand baby loose under the bench. Somebody gets. 835 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 5: I feel sick. 836 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: It's so wid it's the. 837 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: Most this is. It's worse than any dystopian movie, like 838 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like in the matrix the worst possible 839 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: thing when they show actual life where everybody's like in 840 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: the pods and they're all. 841 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, clean and sanitary. Yeah, everybody was separated. Everybody was separated. 842 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 2: It looked like a soft landing. You know, everybody was 843 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 2: just chilling. 844 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 5: We're like in a snow piercer. When sorry, this is 845 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 5: like a kind of a spoiler, so I had a 846 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 5: few seconds. 847 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 848 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 5: But the bug thing where they find out that the 849 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 5: the like bars of like, yeah, you know, jelly that 850 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 5: they eat is just ground up bugs. That seems more 851 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 5: appealing than a fact full of like ham babies bouncing around. 852 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 2: This is making me be like, we made a huge 853 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 2: mistake all those years ago when we stopped eating bugs. 854 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 2: I've talked about recently the theory that the reason we 855 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 2: like crunchy snacks, like the reason that's coded into us 856 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 2: is because we at that time when we were like 857 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 2: our brain was being wired to not starve to death. 858 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 2: The thing like a big part of our diet was bugs, 859 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 2: and like that's where we got most of our protein 860 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 2: from bugs. 861 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: I like ruffles because they remind me of an. 862 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 2: Because eating crickets. Yeah, and like, the one of the 863 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 2: reasons that this is a theory just besides, like raw 864 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 2: Stoner energy, raw Stoner thought it. 865 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: That's my peer reviewed. 866 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 2: But is because people crave crunchy stuff when they are 867 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 2: cret when they need protein, and so it's like that, 868 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 2: it would make sense that like the crunchy protein that 869 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 2: our system is wired to crave is is the crickets, 870 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,439 Speaker 2: and that's probably where we're headed eventually back. 871 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 5: So they need to take this ham and make it crunchy. 872 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll eat that. You ever have a piece 873 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 2: of piece of cold cut with like something hard in it? 874 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 2: It's not the really put me off cold cuts for 875 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 2: literal hours that. 876 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: Literal moments. 877 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 878 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 7: Uh. 879 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: Process to legally adopt a ham baby, yeah. 880 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 2: It's not as easy as you'd think, not as easy 881 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 2: it should be. A lot of people out there, all right, 882 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 2: let's uh, let's take a quick break. God, that took 883 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 2: a long time. I'm sorry, just have spent so much 884 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 2: of the show, so much of your day talking about 885 00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 2: ham babies. 886 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: Can't rusted because it was there's so much to laugh about. 887 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,879 Speaker 2: What a horror Jesus Christ. All right, we'll be right back, 888 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 2: and we're back. We got time for one more because 889 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 2: we spent so much time talking hand babies, the original 890 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 2: hand baby baby. Jesus just came and went from our 891 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 2: you know, our national religion according to Mega, but yeah, 892 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 2: it's uh, Jesus is a pretty big figure, pretty pretty 893 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 2: well known in these United States, and kind of light 894 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 2: on the Jesus movies. Like there's obviously a lot of 895 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 2: Jesus movies. 896 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 5: That are like on like that. 897 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 2: They're just a different like tier of movie, you know. 898 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 2: They're like, they don't have Campbell, who you've ever heard 899 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 2: of in them other than Kurt Cameron and maybe his 900 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 2: sister from Full House whose name I can't remember, Candace Cameron, 901 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 2: but there. So the other day, the first trailer dropped 902 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,319 Speaker 2: for a new animated film called King of Kings, which 903 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 2: tells the story of how time traveling Charles Dickens takes 904 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 2: his son to the past to hang out with Jesus. What, Caitlin, 905 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 2: you teach a screenwriting course? Yes, what do we think 906 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 2: that a student comes in with that pitch and he's 907 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 2: just like, yep, let me see where you're going with 908 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 2: this screenlight. 909 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I'd be curious. But time traveling Charles Dickens. 910 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 2: The true storytelling, it would appear he's like, boy, I'm 911 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 2: gonna tell you the and he does speak like this, 912 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 2: no British accent at all. I'm gonna tell you about 913 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 2: the best story ever. So Charles Dickens, famous storyteller, We're 914 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 2: just gonna have him say best story ever, the Story 915 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 2: of Jesus. And it looks like a Christian Pixar movie. 916 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 2: But they seem to be including the crucifixion in the 917 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 2: in the movie for children, So. 918 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm just picturing one of the veggie tails being nailed 919 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: to across. 920 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it like kind of has veggie tails nailed to 921 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 2: across energy. It's unclear whether Charles Dickens intervenes to try 922 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 2: to stop the crucifixion, thus creating an alternate timeline. I'll 923 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,760 Speaker 2: got back to the future too, but interesting, we'll see. Okay, 924 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 2: it has so all right, all of this not out 925 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 2: of the ordinary in the sense that there are plenty 926 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 2: of pieces of Christian entertainment that are released every year. 927 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 2: Where it gets weird is that this is the cast. 928 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 2: The voice of Jesus will be played by Oscar Isaac 929 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 2: Mark Hamill, Kenneth Branna, A Thermon, Forrest Whittaker, and a 930 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 2: bunch of other like actors whose names you've heard before 931 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 2: are also going to be in this movie. 932 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 5: So this is like a mainstream Hollywood productions. 933 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 2: But then it's all it's being distributed by Angel Studios, 934 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 2: which who are the Sound of Freedom people, the people 935 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 2: who like made that movie that was like about white 936 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 2: TikTok Karen version of human trafficking where it's like, oh, 937 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 2: the human traffickers are everywhere. It takes a real man 938 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 2: to go and to go and steal our kids back 939 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, and then that guy turned out to 940 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 2: be like that it was based on the true story 941 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,319 Speaker 2: of this guy's life. Who that guy's true story turned 942 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,839 Speaker 2: out to be completely full of shit. But it's uh, yeah, 943 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 2: it's it's kind of I don't know. We we talked 944 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,800 Speaker 2: years ago about this idea of like are we headed 945 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 2: toward like a repeat of the eighties where like all 946 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 2: mainstream culture just like went right wing like everything, you know, 947 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,240 Speaker 2: like in the Reagan eighties. It was just like everyone 948 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I guess this is what we are, 949 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,919 Speaker 2: were uppies and we're all right wing and like John 950 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 2: Hughes and action movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. 951 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 2: He's gonna beat up Russia in this one, and Russia 952 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 2: is gonna be like, thank you, we like you, we 953 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 2: wish we were America, and then that will be my 954 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 2: favorite movie from age four through like ten. But you know, 955 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 2: are we headed in that direction? It it feels like 956 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 2: there's definitely a mainstreaming of kind of right wing shit happening. 957 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 2: We talked on trending yesterday about how Carrie Underwood is 958 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 2: singing at the inauguration, Like the Trump's first inauguration, they 959 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 2: like had to had to bring in like some real, 960 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 2: real deep, go real deep on the bench for singers 961 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 2: to perform. And now they have like Carrie Underwood and 962 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 2: the Village People, which we talked about, you know, their 963 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 2: fascinating story. But I don't know. There's also just a 964 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,800 Speaker 2: bunch of Jesus movies coming. There are two other animated 965 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 2: future films about Jesus coming out this year. I don't 966 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 2: think either of them feature Charles Dickens. Weird choice on 967 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,240 Speaker 2: their part. Yeah, and then Tree of Life director Terrence 968 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 2: Malick is going to be releasing his long gestating The 969 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 2: Way of the Wind, which, okay, it's like a more 970 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,720 Speaker 2: grounded take on Jesus' story, but it sounds It almost 971 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 2: sounds like it would be like an offensive story about 972 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 2: a Native American, you know, the Way of the Wind. 973 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,760 Speaker 1: I love Terrence Malick, Actually I doo. 974 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great filmmaker. So it's kind of interesting 975 00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 2: that like this is this just seems to be People 976 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 2: are also suggesting that this might be part of the 977 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 2: trend of movies with you know, public domain protagonists. Like 978 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 2: you know, they made that Winnie the Pooh slasher movie. 979 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 2: Maybe people are just like, and what if we just 980 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 2: you know, start taking the original public domain? Guy, my man, JCM. 981 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,440 Speaker 2: There's there's also a Martin Scorsese unconventional Jesus movie that's 982 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 2: supposed to be coming out. Uh, And of course mel 983 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,280 Speaker 2: Gibson sequel. What's that didn't didn't scurse? 984 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 5: What's it called? 985 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 1: Last of Christ? 986 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 7: Yeah? 987 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did his movie. He did his unconventional with. 988 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,800 Speaker 5: Willem Dafoe as Jesus. 989 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 1: Which an amazing that's an amazing move. And also the 990 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,880 Speaker 1: craziest thing about Willem Dafoe is he watched interviews with him. 991 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,719 Speaker 1: Have you guys seen these and he's just like the 992 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: sweetest theater nerd in the world. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's 993 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,399 Speaker 1: a gentle he's he's more like Jesus. Yeah. 994 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 2: Else, Yeah, Jesus, the original gentle theater nerd he isn't. 995 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,240 Speaker 2: And then Mel Gibson, of course, is making his sequel 996 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 2: to the Passion of the Christ. Supposedly he talked about 997 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 2: it on the Joe Rogan podcast. I don't know if 998 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 2: you guys saw clips of Mel Gibson on the Joe 999 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 2: Rogan podcast, but he appeared to be flying on something. 1000 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 5: Or other, like well processed food. 1001 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had half of him sandwich and his blood 1002 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: through the roof, right, But yeah, it's uh, his his 1003 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: sequel to Passion of the Christ, which I thought had like, 1004 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,919 Speaker 1: you know, a good ending. 1005 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think we needed a sequel Patch 1006 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 2: of the Christ where that movie, by the way, was 1007 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 2: like a massive blockbuster. That's one of those news stories that, like, 1008 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,320 Speaker 2: looking back, just seems so strange that that was a 1009 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: huge blockbuster. 1010 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 5: I still have never seen it. 1011 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 2: It's not worth seeing. Yeah, it's it is what you expect. 1012 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 2: It is punishing. You're just watching somebody get the shit 1013 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 2: beat out of them for an hour and a half 1014 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 2: straight like that. Yeah, but yeah, his plan is a 1015 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 2: sequel to that movie that was just like kind of 1016 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 2: a long, slow plotting snuff film. This one will feel 1017 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 2: like an acid trip and tell Satan's origin story. Also, 1018 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 2: Jim Cavizl will play Jesus again, possibly with the help 1019 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 2: of deaging technology, since it's been twenty years since they 1020 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 2: made that movie, but only three days are supposed to 1021 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 2: have passed. That's kind of Jesus' whole thing, So it'd 1022 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 2: be weird if he was just like weathered. 1023 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 5: But I mean, well, it didn't work, but it happened 1024 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 5: in the Hobbit movies, where these like characters who are 1025 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 5: supposed to be immortal, like elves and wizards and stuff 1026 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 5: like that. They're like, they look visibly ten years older. 1027 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 5: But it's supposed to be a prequel. 1028 00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 2: To the Hell of a Week. Guys, the celebrated really hard. 1029 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 2: These Hobbits need a nap. Yeah, yeah, Oh, it's supposed 1030 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 2: to be a prequel. 1031 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,160 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but they look ten years older. 1032 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: Anyway. 1033 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 2: I guess there's a movie a TV series called The Chosen, 1034 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 2: which I was not familiar with, but that's making waves 1035 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,320 Speaker 2: and people think that's why it's wild. Yeah. 1036 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: I feel like Hollywood thinks, you know, they feel like 1037 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: they're leaving a bunch of money on the table by 1038 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: not producing this stuff. Like they saw how well that 1039 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: blockbuster about human trafficking did and they're like, yeah, let's 1040 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 1: get it there. And that's the aspect of the entertainment industry, right, Yeah, 1041 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: let's make this hot. Jesus, which of you he has 1042 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 1: perfect like perfect. 1043 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 2: Hair, great, shredded abs looking good? 1044 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1045 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 2: How do we make the story of Jesus addictive something 1046 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,960 Speaker 2: that people can't can't put away? We'll serialize it and 1047 00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 2: turned it into a streaming series with cliffhangers. Mm hm. Anyways, 1048 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 2: mort Pleasure as always having you on to check in 1049 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 2: from the skateboarding scene and just check them with the zeitgeist. 1050 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? 1051 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me, man, I'm still glad I 1052 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,920 Speaker 1: have a niche on the show, which is on the 1053 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: most important skateboard news. Yeah, you can find me at 1054 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,240 Speaker 1: Mortburk on all the socials. 1055 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 2: And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? 1056 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, work of media? Boy? Oh boy, I was 1057 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,680 Speaker 1: just gonna read here's a classic Rob Delayey tweet that 1058 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 1: tragically has become relevant again. I'm truly sorry. I voted 1059 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: for Trump. I only wanted disabled kids to lose their medicaid. 1060 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want people to know I'm racist. 1061 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, wonderful having you guest host as always. Where 1062 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 2: can people find you and as their work of media 1063 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 2: you've been enjoying. 1064 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,920 Speaker 5: You can find me on Instagram at Kaitlyn Toronte. You 1065 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 5: can listen to the podcast I co host with Jamie 1066 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 5: loftis The Bechdel Cast, where we talk about movies through 1067 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 5: an intersectional feminist lens and the piece of media I've 1068 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 5: been enjoying. I just watched a film called Salt of 1069 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 5: This Sea. I would highly recommend it's available on Canopy. 1070 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,240 Speaker 5: It's a movie directed by a Palestinian filmmaker, and Marie 1071 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 5: jis here and I just watched it because we're about 1072 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,400 Speaker 5: to cover it on the Bechdel Cast, so tune into 1073 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 5: that episode shortly. But yeah, it's about an American born 1074 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 5: Palestinian woman who returns to Palestine and tries to like 1075 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 5: get money that belongs to her family that was in 1076 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 5: a bank, and tries to visit her grandfather's home that 1077 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 5: he was forcibly removed from during the Nakba. And it's 1078 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 5: just like a really moving, beautiful movie that I would 1079 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 5: highly recommend, Salt of This Sea. 1080 01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 2: There you go. 1081 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Can I real quick plug a thing or two? So yeah, please, yeah, thanks. Yeah, 1082 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: I gotta weirdly have a bunch of stuff right now 1083 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm doing a set at Flappers tomorrow. If 1084 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: you got to stand up in La. My podcast rebrand 1085 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: is We're twelve episodes deep with my wife actually Birt. 1086 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,520 Speaker 1: She was an excellent, hilarious comedy writer. And the show 1087 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 1: Mythic Quest comes out on the twenty ninth, which I'm 1088 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 1: in a couple episodes of the season. 1089 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah cool, that's awesome. 1090 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 1: And check out Spiritually Filthy on YouTube. And I'm maybe 1091 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: gonna do a if people are interested. I'm pitching the 1092 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: idea of doing a benefit zoom stand up show. We 1093 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,400 Speaker 1: did one last week and raised like seventeen hundred. 1094 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,160 Speaker 2: Bucks, which I was really knocked by it. 1095 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, friends of mine came through really hard, and I 1096 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 1: think it was a cool It was just a cool 1097 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: way to give an opportunity to people to like help 1098 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: around the country. So if any if people are interested 1099 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: in that, it would be like a ten dollars minimum donation. 1100 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 1: I would do it on Tryday twenty fifth, So hit 1101 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: me up on Instagram if you're interested. 1102 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 5: Who books that? Do you need any comics for it? 1103 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Just can't through yet. 1104 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,120 Speaker 2: Here you go. This is just skateboarder. 1105 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, only skateboard. 1106 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,040 Speaker 2: All right. You can find me on Twitter a Jack 1107 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 2: underscore O Brian. You can find me on Blue Sky 1108 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 2: at jack ob one the Number one. You can find 1109 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 2: us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're at d daily 1110 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 2: Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fanpage on a 1111 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 2: website daily zeitguys dot com where we post our episodes 1112 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 2: and our footnotes. Were the information that we talked about 1113 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 2: in today's episode, as well as a song that we 1114 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 2: think you might enjoy. Uh, super producer Justin is there 1115 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 2: a song that you think people might enjoy? 1116 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 4: This is a song I love to play in my car. 1117 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:54,160 Speaker 3: It's a fun fusion of this dark, off kilter pizzakado 1118 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 3: string plucking over this like fragmented, slow churning bass, heavy beat. 1119 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,200 Speaker 4: It's really really fun. 1120 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 3: There's this lyrical motif with the word creep from the 1121 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 3: TLC song from the nineties, and the wordplay is just 1122 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 3: really on point. It's a Mick Jenkins, a rapper from 1123 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,640 Speaker 3: Chicago and Ice Cold Bishop out of LA and they 1124 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,680 Speaker 3: both just go crazy on this track. So it's short 1125 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 3: but really really good. So this is Creep by Ice 1126 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 3: Cold Bishop and Mick Jenkins and you can find that. 1127 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 2: In the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeis are a production of 1128 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 2: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, 1129 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,800 Speaker 2: visit Yeah Heart Radio, app, Apple podcast or wherever you 1130 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 2: listen to your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for 1131 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,160 Speaker 2: us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what 1132 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 2: is trending and we will talk to you all then 1133 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 2: bye bye bye