WEBVTT - Attachment Theory with Kendall Long

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<v Speaker 1>Alright ready boys, you know you're ready to Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>cool I Suck It Dating with Dengler, Jared Haven and

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio Podcast and Kendall Long. What's up, suck?

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't you with studio today? It's so good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys want to know what I realized the suck noise.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love it, you guys want to want to

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<v Speaker 1>realize on the way over to the podcast today. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the fourth calendar year that Help I Suck It

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<v Speaker 1>Dating has been around. And I know it's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an embellishment because technically we've only been doing it

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<v Speaker 1>for like twenty eight months, but it started in four

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<v Speaker 1>calendar years and that it's definitely the longest commitment I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever had in my life as anything. Absolutely, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in and out, up and down throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>whole four years. But you know, I'm proving on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with Vanessa, i'veing with Jared, but here we

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<v Speaker 1>are back in studio. It's my first time in studio

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand twenty. If you haven't listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>last week's episode, feel free to do that. We checked

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<v Speaker 1>in on me. I think I called him from London. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I kind of updated you guys on my

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<v Speaker 1>injury and I guess we can kind of continue to

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<v Speaker 1>that as the recovery goes on. Joy to see the

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<v Speaker 1>scar real quick, chared, Yeah, it looks it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo. It was. Yeah, I kind of like which

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<v Speaker 1>one is. Millipede would be a much more I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it would have more so so for the audience

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<v Speaker 1>who can't see it. It's right above the so it's

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<v Speaker 1>on his right thigh, on the right side, right above

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<v Speaker 1>his Instagram verified tattoo. I got that. It's about i'd

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<v Speaker 1>say a good four and a half inches five inches long,

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<v Speaker 1>six inches six inches six inches. That doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>six inches. I can care. I think you're rounding up

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<v Speaker 1>and about your six inches. I mean, if that's six inches,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling pretty good about it. It's funny because I

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<v Speaker 1>was laying in the hospital bed and it was all

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<v Speaker 1>bandaged up, and it was like the day after surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>and the doctor comes in and I was asking about

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<v Speaker 1>the incision and everything, and he goes, yeah, it's six

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<v Speaker 1>centimeters long. We did three screws into plate in your hip.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after a couple of days when I could

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<v Speaker 1>take the bandage off, I was like, that's not six

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<v Speaker 1>centimeters long, because six centimeters like an inch and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, that's surprisingly small. Uh turns out

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<v Speaker 1>at six inches long. And it turns out they put

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<v Speaker 1>five screws into plate in my hip. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was like a communication thing. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>ask your consent beforehand? The I feel like that's so invasive, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>very invasive. They did ask my consent, but I always

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<v Speaker 1>like hopped up on pain killers when they asked, They're

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<v Speaker 1>like five screws, Like oh wait, no, no no, no, three?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know how excused you want to? Yeah? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think I mentioned last week. But when they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing all that stuff, like I was like hopped

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<v Speaker 1>up on pain killers and they were like, yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this, We're doing this, we're doing this, can sign

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<v Speaker 1>this form and I'm like okay, And then I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up a couple of hours later. But I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about me too much today because we obviously

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<v Speaker 1>have Kendall in studio. She's gonna be our co host

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<v Speaker 1>and happy to be here. Yeah, we've got a great

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<v Speaker 1>episode for you guys. We've got Kendall. Obviously we want

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up with her. And Jared was just in

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco doing Almost Famous Live. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>more about that. Yeah, we were in San Frantico's past weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We had an almost I didn't Ashley and Ben had

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<v Speaker 1>an Almost Famous live podcast. It was a lot of fun,

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<v Speaker 1>Like four people came out. But the reason I bring

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<v Speaker 1>it up is because when I went on stage, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was one of the guests. I went out after

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<v Speaker 1>Derek and I got on stage, and obviously I'm shamelessly

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<v Speaker 1>plugging this podcast, telling everybody to listen, to subscribe, comment,

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<v Speaker 1>follow us on Instagram. And then somebody from the audience goes, help,

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<v Speaker 1>I suck at dating. So then I started spreading like, yes, help,

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<v Speaker 1>I suck at dating. And so I started doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got at least of the people to start chanting,

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<v Speaker 1>help I suck at dating. How How great would it

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<v Speaker 1>have been if while you were on stage chanting it.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in through the back door and started chanting

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<v Speaker 1>and getting the back of the crowd riyals And that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much my purpose in life. Mob angry sucky mob.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was a section afterwards where we did

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<v Speaker 1>like a little meet and greet, and at least fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>people came up to me and we're like, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>part of Stuck Army. Yes, it's an army, it's a movement.

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<v Speaker 1>How many were how many were in attendance? Like twenty thousand?

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, it's a lot. It's like it's a starting point, Dean. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was pretty cool when people came off and started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, commenting on how much I love the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a really cool moment. We do need to,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, we need to change that sound effect. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like an octopus like tentacle. Yeah right, I picture

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<v Speaker 1>like suck. Yeah. But what I think we should do

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<v Speaker 1>is we should make one of Dean yelling like sucked

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<v Speaker 1>army assemble. I'll be pretty good. Maybe like a vacuum

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<v Speaker 1>cleaner just turning on real quick. Oh, anyway, we'll work

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<v Speaker 1>on changing that sound. But yeah, anyway, back to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Kendy Kendall, thank you for joining us. You know what's

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<v Speaker 1>funny I mentioned the last time you're on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but the first time I ever co hosted this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>was with you. Yes, I remember, and that was long

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<v Speaker 1>before I was a staple on the podcast Thank You

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<v Speaker 1>Amy has your own podcast to down to Date This

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<v Speaker 1>is true down to date and help other people find

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<v Speaker 1>you're main competition. I know, bring it on. We brought

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<v Speaker 1>you here today. It's actually to murder you. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna die, tell us about it. Yeah. So basically I

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<v Speaker 1>faciltate a first date between two strangers in the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>studio and um, I act as like a third wheel,

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<v Speaker 1>fly on the wall, and UM, I try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it on in the podcast studio. It's it's pretty fun

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<v Speaker 1>get on the podcast. How do you get these people

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<v Speaker 1>to come on and go on the first date? Um? Friends,

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<v Speaker 1>friends of friends, like literally anybody can go on and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been fun to see like how people act during

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<v Speaker 1>like a first date that I control. And so how

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<v Speaker 1>do you match them up? Do you? Kind of? Usually

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<v Speaker 1>most of this time, yeah, you don't get to know

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<v Speaker 1>the person beforehand, not really. Sometimes I help my friends

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<v Speaker 1>go on, but I feel like the best kind of

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<v Speaker 1>relationships are the ones you don't expect. So I like

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<v Speaker 1>to put people in a room together and just let

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<v Speaker 1>it all hang loose and just go for it. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it works, Yeah, it does. You had any success yet? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had some people who have gone on multiple dates afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if there's any commitment going on yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's a pretty hyper spil. Season two

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<v Speaker 1>is four. You can follow up with all the guests.

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<v Speaker 1>Season two. I want to I really want to be

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<v Speaker 1>an officiate for a wedding someone as officiate. You'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to officiate a wedding. I'd like to officiate a wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that'd be kind of cool, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a wedding of two people that met on down

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<v Speaker 1>the date. Hopefully that's what your accept any other wedding, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should do like a smaller version of Bachelor,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you bring two people in that don't know each

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<v Speaker 1>other that you've done no research on, and they either

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<v Speaker 1>get engaged by the time the podcast ends or they

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<v Speaker 1>go their separate ways. There's nowhere in between. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>also add to this, uh this this Sprain serving Sally

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<v Speaker 1>bring it on, maybe bringing one guy and then bringing

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<v Speaker 1>like four girls all on the mics, and every ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes the guy eliminates one girl until there's one girl left.

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<v Speaker 1>So savage, it's pretty savage, but that's the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the game. That's true, like almost like a blind dating

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<v Speaker 1>kind of podcast games of podcasts. Again, we're not telling

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<v Speaker 1>you how to run your podcast here, no, but I

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<v Speaker 1>like these ideas. Keep them coming out, steal all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Give you no credit. You do this help I second

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<v Speaker 1>dating one episode? Well yeah, okay maybe, and then beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, you just got a dog. I did. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a little weenie, Um, a little weenie dog. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>bought six inches. His name is on a good Day Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's great. He's like a cuddler. He'll cuddle me

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<v Speaker 1>like every night, and um he hates everybody else but me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's perfectly what made you want to get a dog? Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to rescue, and I've um fostered a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of dogs. So I felt like I really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make the commitment of actually like saving a dog. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And it always breaks your heart to have to leave them,

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<v Speaker 1>So I figured, why not, it's go for it. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you just picked this one. I'm so with the rescue

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<v Speaker 1>how to go about? Um so rescued from Bunny's Buddies,

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<v Speaker 1>which a lot of people are familiar with. UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>they sent me kind of a grainy photo of him

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<v Speaker 1>and they said he was going to die in two days,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I will saythan yes. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say no to that, so you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that I didn't and so um yeah. A month

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<v Speaker 1>later they flew him to America and he is now

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<v Speaker 1>an American pup. Where from He's in South Korea? Nice

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<v Speaker 1>and what's his name again, Dashio Dasio. He's a little nuttie.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got a real, real soft spot for dockxins.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, we had a miniature long

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<v Speaker 1>haired docksins. The long haired ones are a little feisty.

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<v Speaker 1>She was really yappy, but just ever since having her,

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<v Speaker 1>her name was Soubrette, I've always had a soft spot

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<v Speaker 1>for them. My roommate hates docksins. Like if he dates

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<v Speaker 1>a girl and it ends up she has a docks in,

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<v Speaker 1>he like immediately severs all ties of communicating. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>docksins are very They're fiercely loyal and like highlighting on

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<v Speaker 1>the fierce part. I feel like he's just he has

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<v Speaker 1>been abused in previous homes, so I feel like he

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<v Speaker 1>has a distrust for humans, but he loves other dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>so it just perfect. How can you not like other dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he First he was a little bit hesitant to

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<v Speaker 1>warm up, but then, um, he did really well. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he does really well. Well, how do how do take

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Automatically he loved me. You know, it just

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<v Speaker 1>makes me feel a lot better about who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like when a dog doesn't like you, you

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<v Speaker 1>take it personally. Yeah. The fact that he just automatically

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<v Speaker 1>loved me and I I printed on me right away, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me feel really great. You agree to adopt Pistachio

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<v Speaker 1>before you've even ever met him? Yes? Yeah, And well

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, for obviously worst case scenario, they bring him

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<v Speaker 1>to America and then, for whatever reason doesn't work out

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<v Speaker 1>with you and him, then would you bring it to

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<v Speaker 1>a foster shelter here in Los Angeles? For me, that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't ever an option. Um. I feel like, once you

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<v Speaker 1>commit to life, you have to just dedicate, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, it was like all I mean, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>he's through training. He had his first training class today.

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<v Speaker 1>He got so many little hot dogs. He was very

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<v Speaker 1>very proud of him. Um, so yeah, I mean we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting better. I mean he's not. He definitely has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of behavioral issues. He has to work out, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm along for the long ride, you know, to bounce

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<v Speaker 1>off your idea about once you commit to a life.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister and her husband rescued a dog, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>they he had a heart murmur, which was we found

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<v Speaker 1>out as soon as they got I think from a breeder,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember exactly, and it was pretty rescue, I

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<v Speaker 1>cant remember. But they found out they had a heart murmur,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a very low level one, wasn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cause any health issues. Two weeks later they brought into

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<v Speaker 1>the event, found out it was the worst level heart

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<v Speaker 1>murmur you could possibly have as a dog, and the

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<v Speaker 1>dog would live only until six months unless they have

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<v Speaker 1>heart surgery, which would have cost them six thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>They found this out two weeks after they got the checkbook,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course they had to have the conversation, do

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<v Speaker 1>we go forward with this and spend this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>money to save the dog, or after two weeks, do we,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, give him away and get another one. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course they paid the six thousand dollars and now

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<v Speaker 1>Boston is a very healthy, long living dog. You would

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<v Speaker 1>have told that story if didn't pay the six Out

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<v Speaker 1>of absolutely I knew where this story was going. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you think I was gonna end that story and be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they gave him the dog, and the dog probably

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<v Speaker 1>did now, but now they have a healthy little bijon

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<v Speaker 1>uh named Rascal. No uh, but yeah, that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a dark turn to say the last. My brother

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<v Speaker 1>has got a wing too. By the way, before we

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<v Speaker 1>move on, I want to show Kendle this real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kendall reach out to me after my surgery and

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a bit of advice and I went out

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<v Speaker 1>and oh, my gosh, you're reading it. I have not

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<v Speaker 1>cracked it yet. Okay, Well, you know the original plan

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<v Speaker 1>was to read about a hundred pages of this book.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of recommended to get the book. What's the name

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<v Speaker 1>of this book? Will Blow your Mind? Journeys at the

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<v Speaker 1>Extremes of Science. It's an amazing, amazing book. It definitely

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<v Speaker 1>does blow your mind. Why did you recommend it? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's one of those things that kind of takes

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<v Speaker 1>you away from your current situation. What is it about? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about mind blowing things, right, yeah? Okay, so well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about it's basically about um, things that happen in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. That you can't believe happen. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>so mind blowing. Um So, a lot about like space,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about just like like how we see color,

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<v Speaker 1>just in general, like things we take for granted every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the kind of thing like what my blue

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<v Speaker 1>is could be your red? No, I've heard this before.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily believe in that. I feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So our eyes are so limited in the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>we can only see a certain amount of colors because

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<v Speaker 1>of the amount of cones that we have. Um So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look like a Mansais shrimp, they have like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three cones, so they can see like two million, thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>bozillion colors compared to how many colors we can see.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So, that kind of stuff blows your mind. So

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody's color blind, do they only have two cones? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well so, so there's two different kinds of color blind.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's one color it's like become like a science podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's great. Um So, there's one kind of color blind

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<v Speaker 1>where you have a lack of cones. And usually men

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones that have that kind of color blind

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<v Speaker 1>symptom because I haven't one less chromosome um than women.

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<v Speaker 1>Um but then there's another one where you're, well, actually

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<v Speaker 1>it crosses, it blends colors. So those are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>where you see people putting on those glasses and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, I can see colors now, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's just it depends. But there's been like studies where

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<v Speaker 1>they have like injected like red cones into like chimpanzees

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and people not people, and the chimpanzee can actually

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<v Speaker 1>start seeing like red. So it's pretty fascinating. The crazy

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<v Speaker 1>thing to think about that. And sorry, and she's ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go, We're gonna bring her in before we do that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say the crazy thing to think

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<v Speaker 1>about to your point, you said, mantis shrimp have uh

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<v Speaker 1>ten x more cones in their eyes than we do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's it's colors that we can't even fathom

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<v Speaker 1>what they are, right, Like their rainbow is like extra thick, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean it's usually variants of the same colors.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it's like the best that we

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<v Speaker 1>can do, like variants of the same color as we

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<v Speaker 1>can see, but like different kinds of magenta are different,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So well, we'll talk about more of that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe affair anyway. Next up, we have Dr Tracy McMillan

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<v Speaker 1>coming in and we are going to dive into a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit bit of a bit about her and what

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<v Speaker 1>she has to offer for our Suck Army. She has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of thoughts, actually here she has. She says

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<v Speaker 1>that men are way more into relationships than women's terms

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<v Speaker 1>of commitment. That's false. She says that you should have

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<v Speaker 1>the baby before you get marry. She's pro arranged marriages. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a lot of interesting thoughts that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to get into it. She was on Oprah. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's that's impressive as well. That was super impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Point is you're not gonna want to miss it. So

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned, will be right back. Welcome back, Suck Army.

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<v Speaker 1>To help I suck at dating. We have a very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest who is in studio with us right now.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a television writer, relationship expert, and author of

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<v Speaker 1>three books, including Why You're Not Married Yet and her

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<v Speaker 1>ted talk. The Person You Really Need to Marry has

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<v Speaker 1>more than twelve million views. It is doctor Tracy McMillan,

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<v Speaker 1>except I'm not a doctor. We're gonna call you doctor anyways. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people do people on Twitter, it says right there on

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<v Speaker 1>the front, doctor Tracy McMillan. People on Twitter decided I

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<v Speaker 1>was a doctor on the weekend. Just accept it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>somebody called me a doctor. I and Dr Jared Haven

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<v Speaker 1>m d on whatever you think I practiced, all right, Well, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for coming in having me. I

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<v Speaker 1>love being here, of course. So actually, Mark was expressing

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<v Speaker 1>some of your views before you came in, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think the audience would love to know more about. One

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<v Speaker 1>example is men are way more committed to relationships. Okay, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably a little bit simplified over something. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>the things what we do here help us. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay. So one of the things about, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>women filed for divorce the time. Women are the people

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<v Speaker 1>who filed for divorce, So you gotta wonder why is that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think part of the reason is that when women

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<v Speaker 1>are unhappy in a marriage or a relationship, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes for a relationship, they're way more unhappy

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<v Speaker 1>than when a man is unhappy in a marriage because

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<v Speaker 1>like dudes can compartmentalize in way days that women either

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<v Speaker 1>kenna will not will not and Also, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of research about how when men are committed to the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship and open to being what's called influenced by their wives,

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<v Speaker 1>this would go for the girlfriends to the relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>much happier now it doesn't work the other way. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my explanation on that, I think my on my idea

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<v Speaker 1>would be that guys are and I'm speaking as a

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<v Speaker 1>guy so I can say this. You know, we might

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<v Speaker 1>be a little stubborn, maybe a little, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>guys are just I think also a lot of relationships

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen, women are the ones who are not

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to speak about their and where a guy will

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<v Speaker 1>just if something's wrong, he'll just handle itpartment compartmentalized and

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<v Speaker 1>and and not want to deal with the situation. That's right. Women, Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all research. Um. Women are the people who

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<v Speaker 1>bring up problems in a relationship like much more than

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<v Speaker 1>men do. So I think the thing about being influenced,

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<v Speaker 1>what it means is, as to explain Dean Um, So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>to be influenced means you listen to your partner, you

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<v Speaker 1>take in what they say, and you allow yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>be changed by it, as opposed to just oh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>words raining down on my ears. Nothing is going to

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<v Speaker 1>change in my heart or in my behavior. So when

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<v Speaker 1>a man is open to being influenced by his wife

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<v Speaker 1>or girlfriend, they those couples report a much higher satisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>in their relationships. Now, when women are open to being

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by man, it doesn't change the outcome of the

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<v Speaker 1>happiness quotient. It's really a guy thing, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it works the other way. When a guy is

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<v Speaker 1>not open to being influenced in his relationship, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of unhappiness, very unhappy partner influence what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean? Influence on what like to be taking in

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<v Speaker 1>what they're hearing, to be moved by what they're hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>to be willing to change, learn, but doesn't cover the

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<v Speaker 1>gambit like change emotionally change. So if you say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>for for example, in one of my marriages, because guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I've been married a lot, right, okay? How

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<v Speaker 1>many times? Three times? Okay? Okay, So judging by your math,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna crunch the numbers real quickly. You filed

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<v Speaker 1>for divorce twice out of those three times, All three

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<v Speaker 1>times I was just I looked down in your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say rings. I like, I think it's three

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<v Speaker 1>times no. But the thing about it is is that

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<v Speaker 1>even the third time he was like iffy and the

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<v Speaker 1>but he would have stayed married. See, he was okay

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<v Speaker 1>to have do we swear on this show? Okay, he

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<v Speaker 1>was okay to have bullsh going on and be married.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just like, why do you have to leave?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just Bill, And I'm like, no, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do bull Do you think it's because maybe men sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>are better at like distracting themselves too. Yeah, that's to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The compartmentalizing thing he did, it wasn't like it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean he didn't want me. It just meant he was

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<v Speaker 1>very confused and wanted to be able to go to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with other women and maybe date them. Cheating, cheating,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I said to him. He's like, but why

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<v Speaker 1>he more wanted to probably have something very nontraditional. Was

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<v Speaker 1>this your third marriage? Was? My first two husbands were

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<v Speaker 1>super saying, super solid, and I was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't ready. So can I ask you why why keep

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<v Speaker 1>getting married again? Well it wasn't exactly like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first time it was the eighties so I was nineteen. Okay, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I love how people use that as an explanation. Brings

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<v Speaker 1>so much join in my heart, Like it was the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what happened. It's true. And I'm from Minnesota, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely what people were going to do. Right then,

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<v Speaker 1>It's be like, we've we've been together two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half years, We're getting married. It's the next obvious step here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, I'm a teenager, but whatever. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my high school friends are still married to their high

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<v Speaker 1>school sweethearts, so it can work. Do you think they're miserable? Um? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of them are not. Miss And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>this other friend of mine and will be like, are

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<v Speaker 1>they really happy? I'm like, I think they are. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think there was a time when they were miserable. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're about to step into another whole topic

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<v Speaker 1>around attachment and secure attachment. And I think securely attached

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<v Speaker 1>people enjoy being in a relationship. It to no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And but they pair up very young and then they're

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<v Speaker 1>out of the dating pool. Well, so, so you first

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<v Speaker 1>marriage with the eighties. The second time I was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was in the nineties, so there were thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years between my first and my second marriage. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you say why I keep getting married, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a long time in between, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was My next marriage was in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was to two thousand five. Second math nine

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<v Speaker 1>years and then and that's four years ago since I

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<v Speaker 1>was married. Wow. Yeah, great, you missed the you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hit every decade had you hit? I know, Well

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<v Speaker 1>we're not done yet. Yeah, that's okay. I've learned. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to. I do want to get married again.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, I mean, but not for just because it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be right. I'm to hear what kinda thinks

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<v Speaker 1>about all this, because you have some interesting ideas. When

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<v Speaker 1>you say the baby before getting married the person essentially, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what I want to do. I want to open

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<v Speaker 1>your guys minds to other ways to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship that isn't the bachelor, because that only works for

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<v Speaker 1>some people, for a small amount of people. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say my example is always like a home perm. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a home perm. One third of the people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get nothing, one third of the people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get perfect curls, and one third of the

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna be like they stuck their finger in

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<v Speaker 1>a socket. And I feel like the traditional idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like we got we met, we got married, we were

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four whatever, that works for one third of the people,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's everybody else, and so I'm trying to go,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you're in the other sixty let's talk. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's get creative. I think part of me agrees that

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<v Speaker 1>usually it's a female that gets restless in a relationship. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious because you you had mentioned before that you

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<v Speaker 1>were interested or you you support like, um, arranged marriages.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why is that? Well, I'm gonna say, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to use that word loosely. I'm gonna say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of research on arranged marriages that they're actually very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>They are happy marriages. Now, I'm always looking for the

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<v Speaker 1>wise when I read this stuff, I'm like, why is that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, number one, it's probably because people when

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<v Speaker 1>they get romantic, like that romantic thing that happens where

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like turned on and like whoa fired up?

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<v Speaker 1>That is actually unresolved trauma, emotional stuff, childhood stuff, generational

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<v Speaker 1>stuff coming to the surface being activated. That's what that exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>fearful feeling is so when you somebody arranged as a marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not choosing out of that, they're choosing out of

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<v Speaker 1>like you're this and you're this, and like this should work,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's not the expectation that this person is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make me happy. The expectation is we're going to build

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<v Speaker 1>a live Yeah, I can agree. I think the advent

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<v Speaker 1>like of like dating apps and stuff like that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the power of choice, and at one point is

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<v Speaker 1>the power of choice to bilitating you know, Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty soon, right, yeah, five minutes into swiping, you're like this,

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's why dating is so like short,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so quick. It's like a quick turnaround. At

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<v Speaker 1>least I'm speaking for Los Angeles because I feel like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always something else that's shiny, and so the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of you're committed to this, you're in this, make it work,

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<v Speaker 1>or find a way to find happinessness is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>something that you know, it sounds kind of cool. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot us about like thumbs up. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that. It's just so much less about

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<v Speaker 1>which way the wind is blowing. Emotionally or inside of you,

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<v Speaker 1>because like we change a lot of times. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say the idea of arranging a marriage, like I see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of couples who got married because it was time,

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<v Speaker 1>and people say that's a bad thing, But I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like not so sure. I'm like, maybe that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that's a good thing for people to get married

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<v Speaker 1>when it's time. No, I'm saying it's an option that

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<v Speaker 1>you could just choose somebody who's like appropriate, that you

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<v Speaker 1>get along with, that you could And I'm saying all

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<v Speaker 1>the ways they arrange a marriage the same set of criteria,

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<v Speaker 1>and that you come into it not with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>like this is gonna be the most passionate, oh my

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<v Speaker 1>god thing. You come into it like we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>build a life together. Well, I think people forget with

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<v Speaker 1>marriages and relationships that this person, yes, you'll be spending

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life with, but you're also gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be spending every day with. So like you said, there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be more than just the romance. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation with this person every day for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of your life, hopefully as long as it works,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to factor that in when you're choosing

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<v Speaker 1>who you want to hopefully spend the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a study I just looked it up about

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<v Speaker 1>arranged marriages, and it says, according to a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>twelve study by Statistic brain Take that as you go,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three percent of marriages are arranged worldwide. The global

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<v Speaker 1>divorce rate for arranged marriages is six point three. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta said, it's pretty low, but also we also but

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<v Speaker 1>we also understand that maybe there's probably a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different factors into why arranged marriages stay married. Come on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, I disagree with the range marriage things.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh explain. I think it's like fringe territory of human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like pseudo in a sense. And the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason, in my opinion, again I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>in just an opinion that the divorce rate is low

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<v Speaker 1>is because the only reason they're doing it is to

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<v Speaker 1>fulfill fulfill their family's wishes, their mother and father whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is which is that's going to stop and feeling

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<v Speaker 1>divorce as well. I'm not suggesting your mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>set you up. I'm suggesting you find a marriage that

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<v Speaker 1>is appropriate that you're not choosing from the Bachelor criteria,

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<v Speaker 1>You're choosing from these other criteria that are more like

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<v Speaker 1>building a life with someone. And I also want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I'm in favor of arranged marriages. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just bringing up the stats for context people. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I agree with you there because sometimes when I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the Bachelor now that being in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>for uh, you know, a couple of years, after being

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<v Speaker 1>friends with my wife for so long and now being married,

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<v Speaker 1>you do realize that while you're watching the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>and I understand that those feelings are real because I

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>was there there in their spot at one point, as

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>we all were, and the feelings are real. But you

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<v Speaker 1>what they don't know in the moment is that that

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<v Speaker 1>relationship right there in that bubble, you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>take back into the real world and develop up and

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<v Speaker 1>strengthen and choose each other every day and incorporate each

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<v Speaker 1>other into each other's lives, both with families, location, uh,

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>work goals. Because sure, there's probably a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys have in common when you're talking and

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<v Speaker 1>having conversations, but I guarantee you there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other things that you don't have in common that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not even thinking about that a year and a half

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<v Speaker 1>down the road you're gonna realize could cause uh some

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<v Speaker 1>issues in the relationships. So what we're talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>what is the quality of that first nine to eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>months going to be? Like is it going to be

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<v Speaker 1>like super hot or is it going to be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I met somebody I can really work with.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's really what we're talking about, because what you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying is after the eighteen months, the work is the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about choosing each other every day. It's about So

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a quality of the hot part, because

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<v Speaker 1>the hot part cools off pretty much for every I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like because the bachelor world is such a like

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<v Speaker 1>a fantasy in a lot of ways, it tears you

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<v Speaker 1>out of your normal life and puts you in like

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<v Speaker 1>this world where anything is possible, and um, when that

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<v Speaker 1>starts to become a challenge, then that's where the real decisions. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that the falling in love period mirrors

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<v Speaker 1>that fantasy period. Like now that I've been in relationships

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<v Speaker 1>as many as I've been in I in the falling

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<v Speaker 1>in love period, I just say to the person, guess

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<v Speaker 1>what this is gonna wear off? Like, I do not

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<v Speaker 1>think this is going to maintain because it's not how

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<v Speaker 1>long do we think it's supposed to last? Well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of brain chemistry on this. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like anywhere between nine to fifteen months, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six to twelve, like somewhere in there. It's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes you think, were we built to be

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<v Speaker 1>monogamous and to have like these long lasting relationships, or

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>were we built to have oh that quick, fiery passion,

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<v Speaker 1>have a baby, move on. I think we are built

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<v Speaker 1>for all of it and go to the home perm thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people are built for multiple partners, some people are

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<v Speaker 1>built for one part or some people could go either

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<v Speaker 1>way depending on circumstances. And if you were having a

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<v Speaker 1>tribe of like a hundred and fifty people, which is

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<v Speaker 1>how we used to live, you'd want some of each. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want everybody getting married a hundred times, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you know, you don't want everybody doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you it would be good for you know, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>things not just interesting, but well, it's more like the

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<v Speaker 1>variety that you would get, the genetic variety that you

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<v Speaker 1>would get, because some people run over to the other

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<v Speaker 1>tribe and go get somebody, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the variety that you would get would be good

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<v Speaker 1>for the species, like we are animals and we evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared made a good point, I think near the end

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<v Speaker 1>of December and November, one of those episodes, you said that, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>correct if I'm wrong. Obviously you said humans in your opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't inherently monogamous, but you make it the choice to

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<v Speaker 1>be every single day. And I find that more romantic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in our society, a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 1>believe eve or want to believe that you're destined to

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<v Speaker 1>be with one person and and you know, you you

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<v Speaker 1>find your soul mate. I believe that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>type of person for me that I connect with more

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<v Speaker 1>than others. So if you want to say that that

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<v Speaker 1>type of person is my soul mate, sure, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if that really narrows it down to one person.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like with my wife, I her and I

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<v Speaker 1>choose each other every day, and we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>continue doing that every day in order to have a

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<v Speaker 1>successful marriage. Uh. And that's something that I try not

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<v Speaker 1>to forget about. Um. And I try to remind myself

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<v Speaker 1>because I think a lot of times in relationships, UM

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<v Speaker 1>people they back out too easily because they think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's hard here, then this person is not meant

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And I've said it a million times on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. But like I said, if something gets difficult

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<v Speaker 1>and they choose to go the other way, and they're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't work out because you know that was

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<v Speaker 1>really hard, and it's like, I got news for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever relationship you're in, there's gonna be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>difficult times and you're going to have to work at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so really what it comes down to is either

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<v Speaker 1>you choose to be with this person or you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you can choose to do work or you don't. Exactly.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Some people just hold the beach ball underwater, though, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they're like we're getting along, look at us, but

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't ever open the closet, you know, they

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>don't ever have the conversations, the hard conversation, no way

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<v Speaker 1>to go through life, right. I feel There's been like

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<v Speaker 1>certain studies with lizards that show that some are built

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<v Speaker 1>to be monogamous while others are more polyamorous. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>like proteins that are built in the DNA, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they find that in humans as well. So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I feel bec I'm very scientifically minded that

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>humans are either born monogamous or born polyamorous, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd like society live up to that. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, there's probably okay, So if we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>the genetic thing, it would be like there's probably some

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<v Speaker 1>things that are you know, like eye color where it

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<v Speaker 1>can be not just blue, or what it could be

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<v Speaker 1>in half, and there's probably people because I feel sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it as hunters and farmers and like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a hunter. R Okay, Like I'm part hunter for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I've been married three times, I've been in eleven relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sometimes joke that I'm gonna be lying on

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<v Speaker 1>my death bed holding the hand of my new boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I really don't want that. But once

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<v Speaker 1>I'm but I need to be monogamous inside of a relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do not want to have casual sex. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never wanted to have casual sex. I never had a

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>one night stand. I do not want to have a

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>one night stand. So I feel like I'm both of

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<v Speaker 1>those things, you know. But then how long do I say?

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<v Speaker 1>My longest is like almost six years. But then if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to my relationship with my kids, Dad, we

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>just talked today and my kids twenty two and we

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>still get along. But we started out as coworkers and

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<v Speaker 1>we still are. You know what I'm saying. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the coworker relationship was a perfect building block for family.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, we make decisions together, We are very

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<v Speaker 1>functional together. I mean, was it super passionate. No, If

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<v Speaker 1>it were seven, would that be a great marriage. Sure,

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>But we're not in n And like people want to have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um self actualization through their through their relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to capture like something spiritual through our relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a longer life expectancy exactly. I mean I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it because life is so much longer. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>much more room for things to go wrong, for things

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<v Speaker 1>to be upsetting in a relationship, and also to do

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<v Speaker 1>it in different ways. That's also why I want to

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<v Speaker 1>just put it out there, like we need to invent

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<v Speaker 1>some new ways to structure relationships, you know. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it comes in where it's like maybe you have

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<v Speaker 1>the baby with somebody who's great that you can work with,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't necessarily imagine that this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be where you're gonna partner. You can partner in a family.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean that's not to say was a

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>romantic partnership. I'm just there's a lot of different ways

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to look at it too. I had a question because

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>we talked about I think we talked about two separate things.

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>One uh, like you said, holding the beach ball into

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.479
<v Speaker 1>water and not having those difficult conversations. So I guess

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>for people listening out there that might be going through

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>difficult time in their relationship, how far is too far?

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Because I say, you know, you have to still be

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.959
<v Speaker 1>willing to fight for the relationship. Do what you guys

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.439
<v Speaker 1>need to do with it. You go to therapy, talk more,

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>be more romantic, put each other first, so and so forth,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>or go the other side. You know, when do you

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>know enough is enough and it's time for you to

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>move on? I'm gonna say I'm going to the attachment

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>thing now. If the relationship is not secure functioning, what

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we would call secure functioning, so secure functioning relationship, it's

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>like it works on a basic level and so when

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm in a relationship that doesn't have secure functioning, right,

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.959
<v Speaker 1>that's when I leave. So what you're describing where each

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>of you you negotiate things, you're each choosing it every day.

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>There's this um you have basic trust, you know. And

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>when I say basic trust, I mean like you trust

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>each other. Because see, here's the thing. We are primates.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>We come in our brain is too big, we get

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>born too early, and we have this intense period of

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>dependency on our caretakers for the first year or two

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>really ten of life but could be, but but for

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>sure for the first year. So what that means is

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>we evolved to need to attach. That is number one.

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 1>It's even more important than food. Right. So we attached

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>to our mother. That becomes our primary attachment. Whatever that is.

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>That thing is what we map love relationships onto later.

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So the thing is is when you're meeting in somebody

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're falling in love, you're just doing bond in

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>an attachment. Okay, So some people attach in ways that

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>are insecure. They don't feel safe. It's like their mom

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't come when they cry, you know what I mean,

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Like they're in distress a lot. The partner doesn't know

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>how to calm them down. These are the things I'm

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 1>talking about. So if you're in a relationship that's hard,

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's hard in a way where you never feel safe,

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you're very upset all the time, you

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>have cortisol going all the time, every day, there's arguing,

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>it's uncertain. That's when you that's that's when you want

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to go. Now if it's hard, like, oh wow, I'm

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>really having to confront myself, I'm really having to do this,

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, hard work of making this choice one day

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>at a time and growing emotionally and you know, being

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>honest on a whole new level and dealing with shame

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and all the things that come up in a relationship.

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>That's not the kind of hard you leave, you know,

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 1>So there's different kinds of heart. Makes perfect sense. I think,

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? It's just so hard to know?

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>And I guess in life you never truly know. No,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to know because your body's going to tell you.

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I agree. And the way that she described it makes

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it sound like it's easier to know because I've been

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>in those relationships before where I was always on edge,

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>this anxiety of coursing through my body all that you said, Uh,

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and now in the relationship that I'm in now, I

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>don't feel that same way. So it is I agree,

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and I can see why. Maybe, like in the moment,

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's causing the anxiety

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is. But then once you move yourself

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>from that relationship and you don't miss it, even if

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you love the person the sex was so great, you're like,

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 1>thank god I was. I see, I was in a

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>different scenario. Granted this was in my younger twenties to

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>mid twenties, but I was in a situation where I

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ended it with a girl who is incredible, and because

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I she was my first girlfriend, she was, you know,

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 1>the first everything, and so I was like I need

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.439
<v Speaker 1>to kind of figure out myself and move on. Blah

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah. And then months went by and

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I am an idiot, and so I

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>from then on, I always that I didn't fight hard

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>enough for the relationship, because that's what we kind of

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, that I wasn't willing to really fight

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>for her, and I thought, looking back on it, in

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the moment, no grants, it all worked out because I

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>found the person I wanted to be with my life.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>But at the moment, I was like, she was absolutely right.

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I ended it too early where I should have fought more.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And so that's why I come from the standpoint of like,

0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I think my gut was telling me one thing, but

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was wrong, or to what we talked about

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, not Dean, you weren't here, but we

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about listening to your gut. But sometimes what happens

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>is when your gut speaks to you, you let it

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>go to your head and then all these other factors

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>start coming into what should be just a gut decision.

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>But now you start overthinking it, and then you can't

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>tell what your gut is actually telling you versus to

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>what versus what it is telling you. And so I

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 1>think maybe I found But you're not describing that you

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>were in Cortisol all the time. You're describing Actually it

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>was a secure functioning relationship. You just weren't ready, So

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you were I'm talking about when the couple is like,

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm talking I think you haven't been

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship like that. That's what you're in a

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>secure function relationship, and you were in other secure function,

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.959
<v Speaker 1>and so you're kind of like insecure people. Secure people

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>are like, what do you I don't because he's a

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>secure attachment as an avoid attachment, especially if you're with

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the anxious and the anxious and the avoid and find

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>each other. But anxious anxious is I mean avoidant to

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>avoidant is very stable, but it's it's dry. I feel

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>like I was an avoiding relationship like state, like most

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>of my relationships, and then get to a certain point

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and I jump ship and come up with some excuse um,

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and it almost takes fighting through that, going over that

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 1>hill to realize how you would be in like a

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>new kind of relationship, Like it completely shifts. Yeah, what

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>do you mean by dry? Well? It's like not a moist, yummy,

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>delicious the relationship alationship that works where you're not getting

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>triggered because see the reason and a person up more

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>on And I'm going to say, I'm not gonna say

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>these are hard and fast definitions. I'm gonna say it's

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>more spectrum me. So let's say there's avoidance from one

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and at different points of your life

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and with different people. Because if you're with somebody who's

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>a ninety eight avoiding and you're a seventy four avoiding,

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna start to look really anxious, you know what

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because they're just out doing you in it.

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>But so let's say you're in a in a spectrum

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and you've got it, you're on the avoidance side. A

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>little bit more. Um, that person auto regulates what called

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 1>auto regulates. That person solves problems by going and being

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>alone and by watching TV or doing something alone with themselves,

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>playing a video game, um, smoking pot like whatever. They're

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>going to go away from the relationship to try to

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 1>calm down and get restore equilibrium. Well, it's a style,

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>so that's what I do too. But I would also

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 1>argue that, like you said, I'm as secure you are,

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>but I know because you don't do it to the

0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to the same degree that Dean's gonna do it. Dean's

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna do where the girlfriend's going to be like this

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work, and she's gonna start giving a lot of

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 1>problems for me. It's like I'm gonna go down to

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the coffee shop down the street for a while. Dean's like,

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to Europe for exactly that's how

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I said. It's like a spectrum. I can already feel

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that you're on the secure side. It's it's a tone. Now,

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I know it when I encounter it, right, Um, and

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 1>then if you know who you are, you know when

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>your stuff wakes up. Okay. So one of the ideas

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>is that if you're on the anxious side, part of

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>why your anxious is about the way you're um, mom

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>will just call her mom. But whoever your primary attachment

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>person was how they interacted with you. So if you're anxious,

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:42.359
<v Speaker 1>you're anxious because it was intermittent. Intermittent so sometimes they

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.919
<v Speaker 1>were there and sometimes they weren't well when they were there,

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and you're like in the crib and they're coming and

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna meet your needs and you're like, oh my god,

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.240
<v Speaker 1>my needs are getting mad. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what you It's called somatic markers, right. You build

0:41:56.080 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>little moments in your body markers miles like little signposts

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>that are like around excitement. So when you meet that

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>avoidance boom, the somatic markers get activated and you're like, mommy,

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you know you don't know that you think he's hot

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.879
<v Speaker 1>and when you meet a secure person, you're like, oh, hum,

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not failing it, and you move on to the

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 1>next You go find the next avoidance or the next

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.839
<v Speaker 1>anxious or whatever type of insecure attachment because that's what

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>you match with. Well. Think it depends on kind of

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>stimulation you need as well. Like so I think maybe

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you can need more stimulation because I feel like when

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm in a relationship, I need like constant stimulation or

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I started to feel stagnant and that's when I'm like,

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>this water isn't moving. I need to jump to like

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>a different ship. Yes, I get that, but I'm gonna

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>say the attachment is the cause of the stimulation need

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:51.399
<v Speaker 1>level rather than the result. Why do you think you're

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>an avoidant? Um? I think I'm just comfortable doing my

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>own thing. And I feel like if you're comfortable in yourself,

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't necessar really need a relationship to fulfill that

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>within you. I have a great family, I have great friends. Um,

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm okay on my own. And but

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>then again, I love like the physical attachment of like

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>having like a partner. One of the things about the

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>avoidance is that they tend to go in get their

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>needs met and withdraw yeah you know what I mean.

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Like they're kind of like, I want to just get

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>my needs met here. And then the anxious person more

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 1>wants to and mash or be together all the time.

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>The secure person like they're just like I like it

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>both ways, and you're like, I don't even know you people.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I love it though. See that's my dream. Somebody asked

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>me I was at a party. They're like, so, what

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 1>are you looking for in a man? I'm like, secure attachment.

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>But I know that's going to be very challenging for me. Like,

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>if you give me secure attachment, all kinds of things

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 1>are going to happen for me because it really goes.

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Now you start getting into some of the more because

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the attachment is more baseline, that's like scientific. Then then

0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 1>you've got the stuff that results from that, like the

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>timacy issues, which are more um, you know, it's scary.

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Intimacy is scary for everyone, but thet they secures because

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>in an avoidance is good to feel engulfed by intimacy.

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be like, oh my god, because that's what

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it was. Oftentimes an avoidant is because there was the

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>primary attachment person was um m hmmm, consistently not able

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.799
<v Speaker 1>to respond. I love your mom and we're not trying

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to say anything bad at the joke. But like I with,

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>my first question was where are you in the birth order? Um,

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm the first on a twin, so three seconds first.

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>So as much as that counts, I think twins are

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>a special case too, because a lot of times I

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>think your primary attachment is to the twin. Yeah. I

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>mean we've had each other through every single second, so

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I have the love of my life already. Yes,

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, the other person is just a bonus, but

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 1>not to belittle like the relationships at all, but you're

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>being real. Yeah, so I don't. And I think a

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of relationships that I've been in they freak out

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 1>because they're like, oh my gosh, why do you not

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>need me the way that I need you? Right? And

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wellhy, I do you attract anxious? I I

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 1>attract Yeah. So here's anxious regulates with other people. So

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>when if you're in a fight, Okay, let's say there's

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>a conflict in a relationship and the avoidance is going

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to go off and be like I'm gonna go watch

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the game, or I'm gonna go to Europe. In your case,

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the the anxious is gonna want to work it out

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<v Speaker 1>right then and there. And if they can't work it

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>out with you, they'll go to their friends. And but

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 1>they're not they can't work it out all by themselves.

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>And like, I'm a mixing that way because I tend

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>to want to talk through things. I don't like to

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>let things rest because then it changes what you're actually

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing like being fresh and like talk true and

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>avoidance do not like conflict. They want to get it

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<v Speaker 1>over with really fast. They're like, let's just get through

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>this and move forward, because they do not want to

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>stay stuck in it, where the anxious can much more

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>get mired mired down in that. I feel like I've

0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>never felt more seen than whenever I listen. Do you

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>talk okay? Well? And that's really interesting and that feels

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 1>so good for for an avoidance until maybe five or

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>six months into the relationship, when you're like, stop looking

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>at it. I mean a lot of things you say

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>really do make a lot of sense, but unfortunately we

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>have to wrap up. I know, I feel like we

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can talk to you all day long, honestly, I mean people,

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 1>we didn't even talk about dating, well we did. This

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 1>is all dating and I definitely I hopefully we can

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 1>get you back at some point. I just slep down

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the street. You can see my house before. You're working

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>on something. Now. It's called Family or Fiance. It's on

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the own. It's UM, a reality show about couples who

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>want to get married. They're engaged, and the families are

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>against it. And we moved the whole gang into a

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>house in Malibu, and basically it goes down in the

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>most beautiful way. And oftentimes nobody is prepared for the

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.479
<v Speaker 1>amount of healing and growth that happens on this show.

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's nothing everybody there has problem to either. You have,

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 1>your friends have, your family has Like it's so relatable,

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's so moving, you laugh, you cry. I love it,

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And how do we find it? It's on own, so

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to like check your cable provider or whoever

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>your satellite people are UM or you can get the

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>app Oprah Winfrey Network. Well, thank you so much for

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>joining us. Coming up, we have one more segment. We're

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna answer a couple of emails and then say see

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you later. Oh right, we are back and listening to

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 1>that tone, it made me realize that at the top

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, I was like Dean plug the email.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>A couple of times throughout this entire episode, I haven't

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>done it once. We love your listener emails, So email us.

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I suck a dating at i heeart media dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one email today from Hannah. I'm gonna have

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 1>marqueritea for us. Well, I'll be happy to the three

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of us. Hopefully we'll I'll be ality. I select that

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:02.959
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you know. I think this's just something

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people deal with, and so I

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a good one for us to discuss.

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 1>My name is Hannah'm twenty two years old and single

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>for two years. I've only been in one relationship and

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 1>it was from being a freshman in high school till

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a sophomore in college. So I know I'm young, but

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:17.919
<v Speaker 1>it was a good five years of my early adult life.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm finally ready to date again, and it'll be really

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>nice to have someone to share the good things in

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 1>life with. I've read all the dating apps, I've met

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 1>some guys, the mutual friends. It's always good the first

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>couple of dates and then we have the talk and

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.360
<v Speaker 1>guys always want something more casual, more of a friends

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>with benefits type scenario. Shortly after, I'm always ghosted. Should

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I try to get guys a little older than me

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>because they're more mature? What ages too old to date? Help?

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I suck at dating? By the way, I love the podcast.

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I listened every week. Well, Hannah, first and foremost, thank

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you so much for being a part of Stuck Army.

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>We love that more than anything. Where's the sound effects here?

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna love this one over to Kendall because I

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 1>think she's gonna have some great insight on this. Um,

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 1>thank you. I feel like it's a very American thing

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to have the talk about are we monogamous? What's going on?

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 1>And UM, I see that as like a sense of

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you're not really being who you were in the beginning

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of the relationship. You're all of a sudden becoming somebody

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 1>that I mean, yes, their strength and vulnerability. But I

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.399
<v Speaker 1>think that doing something maybe during date one and day two,

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not the correct time to have that talk, and

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.919
<v Speaker 1>it might be scaring people away. UM. I always feel

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like it's better to wait until you are in like

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<v Speaker 1>a really emotionally secure place with someone that you're dating

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>before having any sort of serious, scary conversation. So I mean,

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a friend who's going through this currently and

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>they had just text, you know, the guy that they're seeing,

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to talk about monogamy, trying to talk about are

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 1>you dating anyone else? And um, you know, in the

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>beginning of a relationship, it's supposed to be fun, it's

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be stress free, and no one wants to

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.439
<v Speaker 1>be put on the spot. So I feel like, don't

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 1>just avoid it. Why are you even trying to be

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:58.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking about that right now. Just enjoy the

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>beginning of a relationship, like the passion that it is,

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>for the discovery that it is. And there's ways to

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<v Speaker 1>ask questions that don't directly put someone on the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the only thing is that probably Hannah and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some other girls too, they just want to know

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>if this guy's sleeping with other people. It might be

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>afraid I'm being dead serious though, because then you get

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 1>into like other stuff and I'm curious if they want

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.399
<v Speaker 1>to know, like, Hey, you're sleeping with other people or not,

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 1>because that's an awkward question to ask, to be like, hey,

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is it just me? Or so I think maybe they

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 1>ask without asking to be like, oh, are we are?

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it just us? Are we seeing other people? I mean,

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I I agree with I think I agree with that

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>you want to be safe. You don't want to be

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 1>with someone who's sleeping in a bunch of different people

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>if you sleep in like three girls all night, you know.

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:42.880
<v Speaker 1>But I also feel like there's a lot to be

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<v Speaker 1>said about developing trust very early on in a relationship

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 1>and not trying to peg someone down. UM. I think

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that if the person is going to meet you and

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you're developing really strong relationship and they're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>off and sleep with other people, maybe that's not the

0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:59.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of person you want to attract into your life.

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 1>And if that's something they're thinking about early on, is

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>something they're gonna be thinking about later on in the relationship. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I do I love the answer you gave for the

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>fact that it's I think it's correct, But it's not

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the answer that I wanted to give, And so I

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 1>think that yours might be more right than mine. Well,

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>answer you want to get, I'm serious, and so I

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:18.920
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to let you know that I think that

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 1>your answer was the best answer between the three of us.

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious answer is just that she should date older

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 1>because when I look back to me, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>dating as a twenty two year old, I was dating

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>other twenty two year olds. I was that guy that

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>would run away at the idea of a relationship. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when I turned twenty eight, at a certain point,

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I just hit a point where I was like, yeah,

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm going to be in a relationship now,

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and then manna be the best dan boyfriend I can

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.920
<v Speaker 1>possibly be. So I think that there is something in

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a guy's head that eventually flips over the other side,

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and maybe dating older for her would be beneficial in

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that sense because it sounds like she does want a relationship.

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 1>And if you are seeking out a relationship and not

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>necessarily looking for like that fun, spicy beginning stage um

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 1>beat as it may, then maybe go date older? Well

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 1>how old? Uh? Well? My friends four so I don't

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:08.840
<v Speaker 1>see like you can go. I agree with you. I

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>think guys really take a long time to develop. They

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 1>really do. And I wouldn't I wouldn't wish two year

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>old me on anyone relationship, and really, twenty two year

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 1>guys are the kind of the worst. Really, I mean,

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the only the worst than twenty two year old grids

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.839
<v Speaker 1>of teenage guys, the absolute words, only worse than twenty

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>two year old guys one year old guys. I agree, though,

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I I think for my thing for Hannah is to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that you are ready, because Hannah, don't be

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>also forgetting that you are twenty two as well, and

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 1>so just make sure you're ready for a relationship because

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 1>then if you start dating older someone, a guy who's

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 1>like twenty nine and thirty, they were going to be

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>ready for a relationship. So just be prepared for that

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure a lot of guys you're dealing with

0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 1>right now are you know, very fluid and just don't

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 1>really care. And so when you deal with someone who's

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 1>ready for a relationship, it's going to be different conversation.

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>It could be a little scary exactly. Hear that from

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>another guy, because the guys in his late twenties, I mean,

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>he could be ready to potentially find someone he wants

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to be with for a very long time. One more

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>point I'd like to make on this, and you bring

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 1>up the talk guys always wanted friends with benefits tepe scenario.

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Now that leads me to believe that you've given them

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a reason to believe a friends with benefits situation is

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>on the table. That's why I brought up what to Kendall.

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.240
<v Speaker 1>That's why I said to Kendall, I think some girls

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 1>want to ask have you slept with other people? And

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the way they ask that is not by saying have

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you slept with anybody? It's sure? Are we just? Is

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 1>it just us? Well? This is when I, you know,

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 1>get I get eye rolls when I say stuff like

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.359
<v Speaker 1>this because I'm the old one and I'm the dad

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and I've got daughters. But my wife to Hannah, if

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>don't sleep with these guys. So if you really want

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with these guys, let them get to know you.

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:50.359
<v Speaker 1>If they're intrigued by you, they'll stick around a little

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 1>longer than if they get what they're looking for so quickly,

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and then they're gonna move on. I don't know, I know,

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's not reality. I don't know, but this is

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>my advice. That's gonna vice. Maybe a twenty two year

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 1>old probably want stick around for very long, but at

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, that weeds them out anyways, exactly.

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 1>But there's wayte I always feel like there's ways to

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>have the serious conversation without having the serious conversation, Like

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 1>instead of saying do you want to be a monogamous

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 1>or do you want to do this? Maybe ask like

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>a creative fun question that gives them an out to

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>be funny or but then if they actually are interested

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.720
<v Speaker 1>in you, they can they would probably gear it towards

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 1>something that would be more experience. You could you could

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>even make a comment like, oh is out last weekend?

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Some guy tried to hit on me, but I was like,

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 1>like not interested or something like to see how they respond.

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I think an interesting question is if you had a

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.959
<v Speaker 1>clock that could count down to any moment in your life,

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:42.920
<v Speaker 1>what would you want that clock to count down too?

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's like that leaves a space open for what

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to count down to the next person that

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I meet, or I wanted to count down to like

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 1>when I get an awesome cars. Like the way you

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>take a question like that shows what you're looking for

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and shows what you're prepared for. I saw your tweet

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and I was gonna response sarcastically what I was I

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 1>did teat that, but I thought it was an interesting question.

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 1>For like getting to someone and getting to know what

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 1>their inner voice is saying, well, Dean, what what what's

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>your clock ticking down to? My sarcastic response was going

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 1>to be to the time I lose my virginity, But

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really think about it very seriously back in time.

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't, uh negative, I don't know what I'm gonna be.

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll think about I'll come back next week with an

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>answer for you. There do you j This is? This

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.320
<v Speaker 1>is a fascinating what the car your countdown clock? So

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:34.399
<v Speaker 1>there's something you're excited for, like's eve or something you're

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to and counting the minutes until. Yeah, I

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:40.359
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm excited to have kids, but I also don't

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 1>think Ashley and I are. I mean we're ready to

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<v Speaker 1>a sense, but I'm also ready to push it off clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at it's an exciting Clark. It's also yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you want it to be? Like? Genuinely? What? Like?

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>What sex? No? Well, I mean yeah, sex is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but what would you want your clock to be? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean what would you want coming down to

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<v Speaker 1>a specific moment? Oh? No, that's what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm trying to think of the next stage of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I guess buying a house. I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I've always wanted to own property and I

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<v Speaker 1>never have, So I think buying something that's mine that

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<v Speaker 1>would be really cool. Uh, potentially owning my own business.

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<v Speaker 1>But again these are also like very generic things. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish those are very good. It just shows that your

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<v Speaker 1>priorities are right now, that are top of mind. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna heard about that great another podcast that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>live in Los Angeles. Oh my, I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, minord B, I've got an answer for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just when I could walk without crutches again the

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<v Speaker 1>immediate herz's go ahead and get that squared away, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll move on to the next What does the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor say? They say my hip will have fully began

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>rebuilding the bone after six weeks from surgery from the

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 1>accident sets in three weeks. I could pretend you walk again.

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I think I'll be walking sooner than that. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna put any I'm not going to risk it,

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<v Speaker 1>So you shouldn't push that. Yeah, don't push it. What

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<v Speaker 1>would yours be? Um? Mine would be mm hmm, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you prett me on the spot. I can't answer me.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Um, I think it changes a lot, but I

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 1>think mine would probably be right now. My mind's thinking, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>when would I want to like own property. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been thinking about a lot. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess when will I feel um like, I guess

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:37.680
<v Speaker 1>when will I feel like, um, like I've gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>a place in my life where um it's I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable and I can I don't know. It's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to answer this question, picked up by Box as the

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<v Speaker 1>hot new midseason replacement series. Well exactly yeah wait wait

0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 1>people five Yeah, true, Okay, yeah, I was she was

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<v Speaker 1>onto something. I want to hear what she was gonna say. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess there's I guess. The one thing

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to I try not to live in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. I think that's something that bugs people, allows

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>people not be happy in the present. Um, how to

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<v Speaker 1>not live in the future. I feel like a lot

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of people have trouble doing that. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>try to just Um. I think reading a lot allows

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 1>me not to live in the future, allows me to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the present and to reflect on things that

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 1>relate to my life now. Um. And I think is

0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:29.920
<v Speaker 1>when I'm learning something. Is when I feel like I'm

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>growing myself currently and presently. So that's how I keep

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 1>yourself learning. So you recommend everyone, but you have a

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<v Speaker 1>countdown clock. Yes, except for me, I'm not allowed to

0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 1>be put on the spot, but everyone else is give

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>us one comdown, one clock, calmdown. It'd be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see when Um, like, first I think, oh, maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>when I die. You want to know, I mean opinion

0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that well, because then then you can feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to be stressed about it and kind of

0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>knowing at that point if it's at twenty four hours,

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 1>you would be so stressed about it and you're like

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 1>not going in the street, not going to like talk

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to anybody. What happens after you die? Um? Yeah, I

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.000
<v Speaker 1>mean I guess it depends. I think there's a lot

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of things that could potentially happen after you. That's the

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 1>scary part. What if nothing happens. Not to be that guy.

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, energy is neither created or destroyed, so it

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>goes somewhere. But like consciousness is the question, like where

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 1>does your conscious consciousness go after you die? I mean

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>when you fall asleep or when you are put to

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 1>sleep during a surgery. Where were you? Then I woke up?

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>You're nowhere. It's like, guess that's proof that maybe there's

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing God. I read a book called They Both Die

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:43.600
<v Speaker 1>at the End, which I do recommend, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a young adult novel when most of the

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 1>novels I read are that um, but it's the premises

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that Sorry guys, I mean, you know, the service that

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 1>calls you the day you're going to die, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're very sorry to tell you this, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is your last day on earth, you know, so sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I get your affairs in order, but this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so sometime in the next twenty four hours you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to die and you don't know how. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's reality. Everybody gets that call in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like this you're expecting it, you're dreading it.

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<v Speaker 1>But when that call comes, you gotta do the best

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<v Speaker 1>you can. Prefer that. I appreciate that, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, dangit, I need to write my will

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<v Speaker 1>and testament, like and even I have never even written one.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know I've been about writing a will lately. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>after your accident, well before I think it was. Once

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<v Speaker 1>I got licensed to skydive, I was like, if I die,

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<v Speaker 1>I want my brothers to like have my money in

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<v Speaker 1>the van. Obviously that's really nice. I mean, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done it, so should go to museum, don't you think? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so. Actually I had a funny story. So

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday I was driving the jeep from Venice to uh

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<v Speaker 1>West Hollywood, and I'm as I'm starting to explain this story,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I don't want to explain. But we were driving.

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving my Jeep and my roommate was driving

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<v Speaker 1>my van, and so I've got vanity plates for both

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<v Speaker 1>of my cars because I'm an I'm that guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>we were driving through as Hollywood. We got lunch and

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<v Speaker 1>there was this big TMZ truck that drove by, and

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin was in the passenger seat and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look at the TMZ truck. All of a sudden, it

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<v Speaker 1>stops dead in the tracks right in front of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lady runs out on the loudspeaker, going, it's Dean,

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<v Speaker 1>It's Dean, It's Dean. I don't know why I got

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<v Speaker 1>how I thought of this story, but it was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most bizarre experiences of my entire Did you

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<v Speaker 1>try like running away? I was in my car so

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<v Speaker 1>I just got into the oncoming traffic land and zipped off.

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you say hi to the tour I honked

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<v Speaker 1>at him a couple of times. Well, anyways, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>TMZ bus is nice because those are people just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that aren't in l A and just seeing the sides.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my segue into ending this podcast, I think. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for the listeners out there for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on the second episode of the year two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and twenty. We love you guys. What's the email

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<v Speaker 1>Dean that the email is? I suck a dating at

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<v Speaker 1>ihart media dot com. Email us please, I will get

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<v Speaker 1>on my one good knee and bang you to email us.

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<v Speaker 1>We love the listener emails hand and we hope that

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<v Speaker 1>Kendall's advice helped you, or maybe Jared's or maybe mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Email us, I suck at dating at iHeart Media dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Big thank you to our guest Tracy McMillan. Don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor at the beginning of that be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>check her out on Family or Fiance on the own network,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Kendall, thank you for coming in co

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<v Speaker 1>hosting with us today. Of course, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure. I know this might be challenging because

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<v Speaker 1>you already host your own podcast. You've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on, but we need you in studio more often.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be fun. I like talking about all the three

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<v Speaker 1>bril things. I'll bring a little bit of a I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring down the mood a little bit with my darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring the darkness. That's what we need. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else we want to give? Thanks to Mark Easton. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's gonna do it for today. Great well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys for being here. Thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're okay. I'm gonna be here for the foreseeable futures.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys for listening. Be sure to tune in

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