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Gentlemen, Yes, 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: thank you for taking interest in the offensive line. Yes, 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: you're in a year. I can always count on you 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: to pay attention to the big guy, know their names, 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: know where they're from. And I just want you to 24 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: let you know, like we were this ridiculous looking thing 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: for you, all right, Yeah, we we got dressed up 26 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: for you right now. And the funny thing is is 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: that as we get closer to the draft, obviously we've 28 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: spent this entire off season since the combine talking about it. 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: People like, you're excited? Do you sure you want to talk? 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: We'll talk about online all day anytime that you want to, 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: because this is what we're passionate about, and this is 32 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: what we love doing, seeing who the young players who 33 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: are going to be transitioning into the NFL, what they 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: need to do at the next level, and more to 35 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: transition the proper way, because we all know that potential 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: needs productivity to hit all full strides when you get 37 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Yeah, no doubt. And you're talking to 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: a fifth round pick and undrafted, so you don't have 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: to you don't have to get the guy in the first, second, 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: and third round like there's other guys there too. Sadly, though, 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: we've been talking about offensive London for the Giants at 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: the top of the draft for some time now, they've 43 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: had trouble rebuilding the group, frankly since your guys core 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: group retired shortly after the two thousand and eleven Super Bowl. 45 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: So once again the Giants picking in the five and 46 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: seven and stop me if you disagree with any of 47 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: this analysis. The top three linemen in this class seemed 48 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: to be in a tier of their own, with Evan Neil, 49 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: Ikya Kwanu and Charles Cross. Either one of you guys 50 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: can go first. How do you break down that top three? 51 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: How closer they what's your order? Go? Okay, I'll give 52 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: it to the elder Statesman to go first. Theirs, Yeah, listen, 53 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: this is definitely something that the Giants have to get right, 54 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: you know. And I think when you're looking at these guys, 55 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: all three of them are good choices. So when you're 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: listing them, it's okay, what are you listening? Are you 57 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: listening at left tackle, at right tackle or you know 58 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: it is one of them? Is it versatility? What do you? 59 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: What do you It sounds like the Giants are trying 60 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: to plug and play a right tackle right so we 61 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: should take it in that context. Yeah, so that's where 62 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of look at all right, the 63 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: fifth and seventh overall pick is a right tackle worth 64 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: that high? You know? I think that that there are 65 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: a lot of really good tackles in this draft. So 66 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: for the Giants, they've got to make up their mind, like, 67 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: all right, what are we gonna Are we gonna use 68 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the fifth world pick on a tackle or we're gonna 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: wait till the seven, or are we gonna trade back 70 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: and get one of those guys as a left tackles? 71 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: They are, I mean, but if you look across the league, 72 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: it used to be the left tackle would be the 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: one going up against the best defensive end. Now they're 74 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: on both sides. So the right tackle is just as 75 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: important as left tackle. Mean, you look down in Philly, 76 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean Lane Johnson, you know, I mean, they're there. 77 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: There's absolutely an importance there for it. So let's start 78 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: with Evan Neil. I think when you look at Evan Neil, 79 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: just an unbelievably impressive physical guy, like physical specimen. He's 80 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: got a lot of unbelievable talents things that you look 81 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: at and you're like wow. But I also look at 82 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: him and I'm like I don't know that he's a 83 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: guy that like comes in right away and where he 84 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: is right now with his game that he's he's a 85 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: pro bowler, you know, in the first couple of years. 86 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: He's got some things that he needs to clean up 87 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. My biggest beef with him right now 88 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: is that he's a little bit of a heel clicker. 89 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: He gets his feet together when he kicks slides and 90 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: that's why he's kind of having some balance issues. So 91 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: there's things that he can clean up. But I think 92 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: when you look at what he brings to the table 93 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: and you talk about the potential, the potential for Evan Neil, 94 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: he's got the potential to be a perennial pro bowler 95 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: in the next couple of years if he continues to 96 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: work at it. So I think he's a really talented guy. 97 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: I wish there was more film on him. But going 98 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: with a quand who I love a kuan Who's finish, 99 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I think Evan Neil doesn't have the finish that a 100 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: Quando does. If he did, I think he's number one unanimously. 101 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: But a Kuanu you turn on the film, there is 102 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: zero question that that guy loves football. And when you 103 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: sit down an interview with these office line, we're gonna 104 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: draft you, Like, all right, I don't. I shouldn't have 105 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: to ask you do you like football? Like I just 106 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: got to turn on the film and I could see 107 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: it at the comment. I could have sat and listened 108 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: to him talk about football for an hour. He was 109 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: so into it and such a smart guy too. Yeah, 110 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: and and it shows and and you know when you 111 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: look at him, look, he played guard and then he 112 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: split out the left tackle, and then he kind of 113 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: you could see that there were some things that he 114 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: needs to work on. He clearly hadn't been playing left 115 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: tackle for three years. There were time where he just 116 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: got beat with his outside hand because his footwork just 117 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: got a little sloppy. He got a little you know, 118 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: it's almost like a guard you don't have to have 119 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: as much of a stagger, whereas a tackle, as you know, 120 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: the further you move away from the from the ball, 121 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: as offensive line play, you've got to have more of 122 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: a stagger. So you can see where that kind of 123 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: got him in trouble a little bit. Um. And then 124 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: the third guy that you had was Charles Cross. I mean, 125 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: that guy is really smooth and you see the past sets. Um, 126 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: you know he's he's got great footwork, great athleticism. UM. 127 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: I think his hands, you know, can can definitely use 128 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: some work. But the question mark with him is just 129 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: the run game mask good. So I don't know if 130 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: he is I don't know if you could take him 131 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: at five overall, Like I think he's definitely a first 132 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: round pick, but I don't know if he's he's I 133 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: don't know. If you great him that high, I'll pick 134 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: it back right on top of that number one Evan Neil. 135 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I do think that he is the best offensive tackle 136 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: right now currently in the draft. You have the versatility 137 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: if he needs to move inside and play there. But 138 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: he is going to be a tackle in the NFL, 139 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: whether right tackle, tod start then move the left tackle, 140 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: or an the media plug and place starter at left 141 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: tackle the minute that he comes into the league. When 142 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: you see him coming out of the run game and 143 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: stretching and going up against the best talent in the 144 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: country consistently all year, like he faced throughout his career 145 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: in Alabama, his techniques and fundamentals show up time and 146 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: time and time again. You see his proper angles and 147 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: landmarks when he takes off of the line of scrimmage. 148 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: You see him on the back side of b blocks, 149 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: whether he's just cutting off a three three technique or 150 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: if he has to cut off all the way down 151 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: to a two technique where they're working to the back 152 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: side to the second level. Those are all things that 153 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: we've seen him do in the passing game. I love 154 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: the fact that he's already got a jump set, he's 155 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: already got a vertical set. He's got a different set 156 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: that he changed up, whether it's a three or five 157 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: or seven. He uses his hands independently. But the area, 158 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: like you talked about, is the overall aggressiveness. Consistently, he 159 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: sometimes gives up his chest. You and I both know, 160 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: when you're out there on an island, you better be 161 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: a boxer and have those hands up protecting, ready to 162 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: punch and CounterPunch, because if you're a gun slinger and 163 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: you go to shoot those hands from the hip, you're 164 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: exposed in your chest and over three hundred pounds. I 165 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: don't care how big you are, you're gonna get pushed 166 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: back and you're gonna give up ground. The other areas 167 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: that have concerned that a lot of GM's talk about 168 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: the wait. This is a player that at one time 169 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: was three hundred and ninety pounds, and there are times 170 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: latent games where you see him hanging onto blocks, running 171 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: where his legs are behind him and he's trailing with 172 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: his backside leg compared to finishing guys like we see Ikiakwanu. 173 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: And then just the preciseness and the understanding of the 174 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: games that you're gonna see in the NFL compared to 175 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: what you do in college. Just to understanding and recognition 176 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: that if that three technique wide and all of a 177 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: sudden that five technique or that stand up guys a 178 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: little bit off of the line, don't kick out flat 179 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: to him, alert should come up, vertical, set and let 180 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: those things separate themselves when it comes to Ikiakuanna. By 181 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the way, you guys been around of big people then 182 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: you go to iky. Have either of you guys ever 183 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: seen a three pound man like Evan Neil looks skinny, 184 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: he looks like he's too nine. I've never seen anything 185 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: like it. Have you ever seen a pounders split squad 186 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: to a box? The explosiveness, I mean, it's interesting. Worths 187 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. When he came out, everybody was talking 188 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: about him jumping out of the pool on onto the 189 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: side of deck and and all the power moves that 190 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: he was doing a great lower body strength, but for 191 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: some reason it doesn't always transfer, which is what's frustrating. 192 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: You see that for work and you're like, all right, 193 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, like you should be able to do a 194 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: better job. I should be cleaner. And that's where I 195 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: think that a consistency, the conditioning and the aggression has 196 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: to be there for sixty plus minutes. That's not a problem. 197 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: When it comes dick your corner whatsoever, that's not an issue. 198 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Number One, you could tell he is a natural born 199 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: leader of that group up front, one of the captains. 200 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: You see him vocally calling things out and doing a 201 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: pre snap because his understanding of what they run offensively. 202 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: When he puts in in football, same foot, same shoulder, 203 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and offensive line, it's backside leg, backside shoulder tied together. 204 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: If he gets one of those onto you at the 205 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: same time, you're moving from point A to point B 206 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: up against your own will, and there's nothing you can 207 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: do about it. In the passing game him, I mean, 208 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: if you look at him in a two point stance 209 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: when he has his hands down, I mean, it's like 210 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: go go gadget arms when he is able to use 211 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: them because of the length that he has out there 212 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: with the ability to restart and redirect defensive ends. But 213 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: at that same time, that's where he has to be 214 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: smart and use that to his advantage by staying inside out, 215 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: keeping that inside landmark on the defensive end to force 216 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: him to have him one way go outside. We always 217 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: say when it comes to playing offensive tackle, you can 218 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: ride the bull, you can turn and run him for 219 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: two seconds and hold on. But if you give him 220 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: a two way go and you're giving up an inside 221 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: leverage move to him, that's where you're gonna get in trouble. 222 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: In regards to Charles Cross, I mean, when you turn 223 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: on film of him, you can't believe that this is 224 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: only a two year starter. I mean, we're talking about 225 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna start his week one in the 226 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: NFL and won't be able to buy a beer until 227 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: after legally because it will only be twenty years old 228 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: starting in the NFL. So you add that in the athleticism, 229 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: the hands, the fact that he's already had some of 230 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: the techniques and fundamentals in the passing game because of 231 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: running Mike leached air raids spread offense. But the problem 232 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: comes up when you show up in the run game. 233 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: Why it splits between him and the guard. So if 234 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: you're working double teams, that cohesion is going to need 235 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: to be worked on. In the NFL, his angles that 236 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: he takes while reaching a defensive end and when they 237 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: run outside or inside zone. The problem that he has 238 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: is because they don't do so much work at it 239 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: is the first step that will take. He doesn't put 240 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: himself on a proper angle, and now of a sudden 241 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: he gets bookend. The next time he comes, he overcompensates, 242 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: goes to fly and rip off of the ball with 243 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: his backside arm and play, but he oversteps it and 244 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't get it down. Now, all of a sudden 245 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: he gets dart and beared in by that DEFENSEI ven 246 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: that creates penetration, and now he's starting to fight to 247 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: work back to the block. The upside and the potential 248 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: is absolutely there. It's just gonna take some time and 249 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: some work into order to develop it. Do you guys 250 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: see the innate physicality with crossbobs. I think you can 251 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: teach the technique in the run game, right, But does 252 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: he have the innate I'm gonna go Whoop your button movie? 253 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: You would you like this ad from point A to 254 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: point B? Is that in in the you think? Or 255 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: do we not know because we haven't seen him do 256 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: it on top? I think that's in you. But I 257 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: also think that that's something that you have to develop 258 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman. You know, it's easy to sit 259 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: out there and watch Joe Thomas after he's done it 260 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: for seven straight seasons being like, oh, it looks so 261 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: effortless and flawless because you hear from your offensive lineman 262 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: or offensive line coach, trust your technique. It's not so 263 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: simple when you're on the road and it's third and 264 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: eleven and DeMarcus Ware is barren down on the outside 265 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: and you're looking at him out of your left eye 266 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: and the ball out of your right eye and you're 267 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: in a two point stands. There's a big difference between 268 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: trust and your technique when that's the situation compared to 269 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: when you're first coming in. So I do think that 270 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: that attitude, in that toughness is brought out by the 271 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: players as they get that. But also that's a part 272 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: of the culture in the offensive line room that needs 273 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: to be developed and part of that locker room as well. 274 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: How about you? Do you think he has it in 275 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: him to be a good run blocker. Yeah, you could 276 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: see there. There's times where it's there and there's flashes 277 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of it. But I think if you're in a game 278 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: and you throw the ball fort fifty times, that's a 279 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: different mindset as oppose if I know we're gonna run 280 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: the ball thirty five times. Guess what, Like you're playing 281 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: smash Mouth, you're the aggressor. So if you're in a 282 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: system that's that's throwing the ball at the time, it's 283 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: a lot it's it's a lot tougher to kind of 284 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: be in that aggressive mode because you know, aggression can 285 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: get you in trouble and pass protection. So you've kind 286 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: of got to you know, I think to to Deal's point, 287 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: where he goes will determine a lot of how that grows. 288 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Because now, what's I mean if any noplis Colts Draft, 289 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: Charles Cross and now you're coming in here with guys 290 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: like Quentin Nelson and Tim Kelly, guess what that becomes? Infectually, 291 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: this is this is the way we play. This is 292 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: our standard um. When you turn on tape by some 293 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: of these officers a line. You look at what toront 294 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: Armist is doing down in Orleans and Ryan Ramchick. They 295 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: play with a certain edge. So you would love to 296 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: have a guy like Charles Cross go to a guy 297 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: like the Saints, you know, or something like that or 298 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: in that in that culture that would really kind of 299 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: bring that out of them. Okay, so let's put the rubber. 300 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: Let's have it meet the road here. If you guys 301 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: are the gym of the Giants and who knows, maybe 302 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: four defensive players go on the top four who knows, 303 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and all through these offensive linemen 304 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: are there, listen for me? First choice, second choice, third choice, 305 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: shall want me start with you? I think first choice 306 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: would be the way that we just talked about with 307 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: with Evan Neil and then Ecam and then you know, 308 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Charles Cross. I feel like Trevor Penning is creeping into 309 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: that conversation just because you know, it's tough because he 310 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: played different competition, but when you turn on the Senior 311 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: Bowl and you see what he was doing against some 312 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: of the best, like he didn't back down from anybody. 313 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: So I almost kind of look at it like, you know, 314 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: look if if if I'm sitting up there and I'm 315 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Joe Shane and he's got a grading system, and I'm 316 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: looking at this, okay, if I can, if I feel 317 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: like I could trade back or wait till seven to 318 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: get a tackle. So you don't think Penning is that 319 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: far away from across then the way you see it, 320 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: I think it's out of necessity when it comes to 321 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the draft, like you're talking about, yeah, and so I mean, 322 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: I look, it's kind of splitting hairs as far as 323 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: like who's who's who's aware. But if I'm gonna have 324 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna move to right tackle, I would 325 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: I would rather have Trevor Penning moved the right tackle 326 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: than Charles Cross because I don't know that he could 327 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: handle that over on the other side. So I feel 328 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: like Penning, you know that that's a little bit of 329 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: a unknown with all of them, but I feel like 330 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: he can handle it, and I think his motor, his energy, 331 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: his effort would overcome any of those early obstacles that 332 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: he would have if you did. Yeah, same order for me. 333 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I I think that I would put there at four 334 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: and five, right behind Penning. I'd come in with Raymond 335 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: out of Central Michigan. I think that he is a 336 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: player that's moving up the boards right now. At that 337 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: first round pick. I don't think that he's a first 338 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: round pick just because I see the way that this 339 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: is gonna get pushed. I don't think that there's gonna 340 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: be a fifth tackle taken in the first round. I 341 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: think once you get past four and once you get 342 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: past Penning, I think that's when you're gonna see Green 343 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: at the guard position come in Linderbaum. I think that's 344 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: where those guys are gonna start sliding in and you're 345 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: gonna start seeing tackles. Goes right at the top of 346 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: that second round. But I think when you see Raymond 347 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: come in, reminds you of number one to school where 348 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: he went to Eric Fisher a little bit, but I 349 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: think Fisher was more athletic. But then you think about 350 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: Jack Conklin coming out of Michigan State, the here that 351 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: he's had not only in his time in Tennessee but 352 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: now in Cleveland. Raymond is exactly that type of big 353 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: bodied player that is great in the run game, can 354 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: run zone scheme, can run gap scheme. In the passing game. 355 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: If he gets his hands on you it's over. Those 356 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: vice scripts are locked on and that's it. But the 357 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: area of concern when you have a player that that's 358 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: big is the limberness of it, the inside move. When 359 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: you have a quick twitch defensive band, will he be 360 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: able to maintain that anchor staying inside out and run 361 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: him around the hoop? Raymond? When you when you think 362 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: about him, you were talking about um, you know young guys, 363 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: and he's a raw guy. He's he's always played, you know, 364 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: he's still new to kind of offensive line play, and 365 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: you can kind of see that, like he's still trying 366 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: to figure out all right, the hands and the feet 367 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: aren't as seamless as they should be. Sometimes. My my 368 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: thing with him is I feel like his hands come 369 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: from underneath when instead of punching a lot, and when 370 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: your hands come under like that and the defender slaps 371 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: him down, it brings your face into us. So he 372 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: gets in trouble with that. But you can see the 373 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: athleticism when he's blocking a defensive vent and that guy 374 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: goes to retrace or change the direction he's hip to hip, 375 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: like as opposed some of these tackles. Now Allison, the 376 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: guy changed direction and they're on the back half of 377 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: the defender. He stays in front of him. So he's 378 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: a very interesting prospect. I was down on the field 379 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: of the combine and I'm watching him run around and 380 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: move and I'm like, this guy looks like Dolph Wondert, 381 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: Like I feel like Drago was down there getting ready 382 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: for the workout. I'm like, where's Rocky, you know, like 383 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: where's Apollo? Like he's he's a physical specimen um And 384 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: it was fun to kind of watch him, um, you know, 385 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: in some of the combo blocks. He's still learning how 386 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: to do all that stuff, but he's definitely a physical guy. 387 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I'd be really curious to see if he could sneak 388 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: into the first round. If not, that's a heck of 389 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: a second round pick. You know. One of the players 390 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: that people are talking about that they're talking about inching up, 391 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: which I just do not see, is Tyler Smith out 392 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: of tul A lot of people had him as a 393 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: late first round and and I just I personally don't 394 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: see it. And I'm not disrespecting him as a football player. 395 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: You love his attitude, you love his tenacity. That is 396 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: just a phone boothmaller oh Raw. His technique is so 397 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: raw that number one, you gotta move him inside to 398 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: the guard position. When we look at the guards, we 399 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: know that Zion Johnson and Green coming out of Florida 400 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: State are the best two guards coming in or out 401 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: of Texas. A and M are the best two guards 402 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: coming into the draft. So he doesn't have that. And 403 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: you think about him having that kind of tweener body, 404 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: whether he's really a guard, does he have that unfolding 405 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: in the power to really anchor in the A and 406 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: B gaps and give up ground grudgingly, or is he 407 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: truly an outside tackle with lack of arm length. That's 408 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: where he's that kind of tweeter. For me, that where 409 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: people are sitting here saying that is the first round 410 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I just I can't see it, you know. 411 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: John One of the things that's interesting too, you know, 412 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: when we're talking about some of these raw guys that 413 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: needs some time to develop, it's tougher now than ever 414 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: before to come into the NFL as an offensive lineman 415 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: and get better right away because of the reps are 416 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: so limited. Like the only real way to get better 417 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: as a young offensive lineman is with the pads on. 418 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: You know, you go out in helmets and jerseys, and 419 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: you know you and I would be so frustrated that, 420 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: like these defense means are run all over place and 421 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: you can't jam, you can't him, you can't hit. So 422 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: for these young guys, that's one of the challenges that 423 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: they're up against. And if you're a team that's saying, 424 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna draft this young guy and he's 425 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna start week one, well you better get him ready, 426 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: like you better give him every single Repuicana training camp. 427 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: He better play every preseason game because all of those 428 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: reps are so crucial because they're so limited. Don't miss 429 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: your chance to experience a premier hospitality experience watching Giants games, 430 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: world class concerts in two as a Giant Sweet partner. 431 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: Limited full season locations are available, or plays a deposit 432 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: for individual games called n YG of his Giants dot 433 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: com slash suites for more information. A couple of basic questions. 434 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: We've talked about how the Giants A vannue Toms have 435 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: left deck, but we're assuming they want to leave in there. 436 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they're willing to move into the right side he 437 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: did in the college. I don't know that, which I would. 438 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, how comfortable and look at the way 439 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: that he played last season. Totally agree. I think that's 440 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: a risk. So how concerned are you that we haven't 441 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: seen except for every Neil and maybe that's one of 442 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: the reasons he's in them one for you guys trying 443 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: to evaluate what these guys will look like at right 444 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: tackle based on what they've done at left tackle. It again, 445 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't think the roles and the skill sets are 446 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: different anymore. I think the positions are kind of the 447 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: same now. But to your guys point, it's very easy 448 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: to say, I'll just go puy the right side. It's fine. 449 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Everything swaps and switches, so it takes time to figure 450 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: that out. So how much does that enter into the 451 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: equation for you guys asking whichever one of these tackles 452 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: the draft is, unless it's even Neil is going to 453 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: have to play the right side for the first time. Well, 454 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: it's not seamless, and it's not as easy as people think. 455 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: It's not something that somebody else's exactly that. You don't worry. 456 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: We're just gonna flip you to the opposite side and 457 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna completely use your opposite dominant hand in order 458 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: to get it done as you like to say, Okay, 459 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip sides. Imagine now you're right handed, you 460 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, and now I'm gonna force you 461 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: for an entire week to use your left in order 462 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: to clean up the job. It doesn't work out so 463 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: easily as you think. Not to mention. When I look 464 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: at offensive tackles coming out of the draft and going 465 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: to the NFL, I look, okay, are they right handed? 466 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: Are they left handed? Because it makes a difference me. 467 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: For me playing left tackle, I felt more comfortable being 468 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: a right hand dominant player and somebody that has the 469 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: right leg that they jump off as their dominant leg. 470 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Playing left tackle allowed me to use this to force 471 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: myself as back as possible to beat the defensive end 472 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: to the point of intersection. But this is my strong hand. 473 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: I can control everything from the inside out. Compared to now, 474 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: if you're working with your left that's not your dominant 475 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: hand and you're flipping sides, you're not gonna torque, You're 476 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: not gonna feel as comfortable, and you're not gonna have 477 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: that same body control and strength that you would naturally 478 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the right hand there. You want, you want to be 479 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: on the left, because that's your inside strong hands on 480 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: the inside, you go to reach, you go to move 481 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: a defensive end, what do you point your right leg, 482 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: your right knee, and that's what you're jamming through the 483 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: mid section of that d N to get the movement 484 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: off of the line of scrimmage. So how much do 485 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: you worry about trying to teach somebody to do that 486 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: then when they maybe you haven't seen them. Now a 487 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: guy like Charles cross and says, work on that, you know, 488 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: training in the office, us and all that stuff. But 489 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: how much do you take that into consideration in your 490 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: evaluation that. I mean, it's a factor when you're when 491 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: you're doing it, because to your point, you know, it's 492 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we're asking somebody to do something 493 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: that maybe they've never done before. Maybe you have played 494 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: that outside, but if you haven't done in a while, 495 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: it takes time and now you're thinking about it, you're 496 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you're you've got a different post foot um case in point, Look, 497 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Date Soldier was a left tackle for the Giants. Here, 498 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you move over the right side. 499 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: It took him time and then to do it during 500 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the season. Look, you're talking to a guy that did it. 501 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: And you know what, I remember talking to and and 502 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: and Dave was like, look, I'm doing it because it's 503 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: what's right for the team. He didn't want to do it, 504 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, like that's hard. It's hard, and you've got 505 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: to take extra sets. And you went from left tackle 506 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: the right tackle during the season one time, and he 507 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: had already played right tackle. There's still an adjustment period. 508 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: So it is it's that hand battle, the balance battle. 509 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look around the NFL. I remember 510 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: Donald Pennon. Penn was a left tackle for a long time. 511 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: He ended up moving the right tackle. He ends up 512 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: tearing his growing just because he was so used to 513 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: the other side. So it is definitely a factor. Now 514 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: you go back and look two years ago, jeddrid Will's 515 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: right he was the right tackle down in Alabama, which 516 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: was to his blind side. So he's playing right tackle 517 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: the Brown's draft from they moved in to the left tackle. 518 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: So for a guy like that, great hands, great footwork, 519 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: easy transition, what kind of guy is? What kind of 520 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: player is he? You know? So that that plays into 521 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: the whole. All right, we're gonna draft this guy, even 522 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: though he's been a left tackle moving to right tackles. 523 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: But the way it wasn't so easy for Penny Sewer 524 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: last year and he had to move. The interesting thing 525 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: is Andrew Thomas. You know, he played right tackle his 526 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: freshman year at Georgia. He ended up moving over. I 527 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: think it can it can help you, It can make 528 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: you better at the versatility. But if you're going to 529 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: draft the guy fifth overall, seventh overall, you kind of 530 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: like him to play the position that he's been playing. 531 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: The question, all right, we're gonna move you. You wouldn't 532 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: draft a you know, a tight end and ask him 533 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: to play wide receiver. So it's I know it's off 534 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: as the line play, but Dave you you know better 535 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: than anybody else. Man, It's like, all right, this is 536 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a mental Sometimes even in the huddle, 537 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: you still think you're on the left side player like okay, 538 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm on the left side. Sometimes you've got to remind yourself. 539 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Are you're like okay, I'm standing next to rich That 540 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: would be my reminder sometimes of a position i'd be playing. 541 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: But to go back to that, you know the word 542 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: now that's used cross training. I was playing versatile football. 543 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: Going back to to two thousand and three. When I 544 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: read shirted. In my five years at the University of Illinois, 545 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I played all the positions. I was bounced around doing 546 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: it in college, so that when I got to the NFL, 547 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: that was one of my areas where I was comfortable 548 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: and confident in grooming to that position. And you talked 549 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: about these younger players coming out, we're talking about COVID 550 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: years where there was no spring ball, where there was 551 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: in the seasons for some of these players. So you're 552 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: talking about a full year of potential growth for some 553 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: of these players being derailed. Where that's how many thousands 554 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: of reps that you're working your pass sets on one 555 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: side or the other that you didn't have? All right, 556 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: lit a little bit deep on the offensive tackle class 557 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: here then, Um, Abraham Lucas is someone that I think 558 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: is interesting. Um, he played tackle for Washington. They still 559 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: have that air raid system. So, same type of conversation 560 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: that we had for Charles Cross. How quickly can a 561 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: guy like that who said so many pass sets? Is 562 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: that guy so when you feel a little bit more 563 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: comfortable plug in playing because of the volume of past 564 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: sets that he has or does the run stuff, then 565 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: provide a whole different set of challenges. Well, the run 566 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: stuff provides a whole set of other challenges. But also 567 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to realize is 568 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: that even though that you're in this air raid system, 569 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times that people sit here and think, 570 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: when they really don't watch film, they're just gonna assume 571 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: that your past sets are perfect each and every time 572 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: because that's all you do. But there's times in those 573 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: air raid systems it's not about your techniques and fundamentals anymore. 574 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: It's about speed and producing as many plays as we 575 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: physically possibly can to wear out a defense where you're 576 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: watching a player that those types of systems in the 577 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: third and fourth quarter, their technique and fun amounts are 578 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: thrown to the ground because they're doing it just based 579 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: upon conditioning and they're in survival mode. That doesn't work 580 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: when you transition to the end of out and when 581 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: you come to the NFL, if you're used to running 582 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: an offense where you're looking to the sideline and they're 583 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: holding another card or they're telling you you're not reading 584 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: the defense like you're not. So part of offensive line 585 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: play is you've got to understand fronts, recognitions, concepts what 586 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: our defense is doing, and then how do your play 587 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: You can't just memorize the playbook and say all right, 588 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do against this defensive front because 589 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: they move defensive defense, defenders know what they're doing and 590 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: you've got to adjust on the fly. So to have 591 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: that ability to kind of understand the concepts offense of 592 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: what we're doing, but also from a front standpoint, what 593 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: are the defenses doing, how they line up? That determines 594 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: how we block everything. Speaking of which, you know, going 595 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: not just to offenses and past setting and protections, think 596 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: about how many offensive tackles I'm sitting here watching film 597 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: up that weren't in and in three points stands the 598 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: entire football locases one of them. Lucas is one of them. 599 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: And people think, well, it's that easy you can get 600 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: into a three point stance. If we remember Williams, who 601 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: was drafted out of Vanderbilt to the Chicago Bears in 602 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: the first round to play tackle, never got into a 603 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: three point stance in college, could never transition and come 604 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: out of his stance with that same explosion and snap 605 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: and have that leverage where you're working from low to high, 606 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: that you need to up against defensive vents, separate and 607 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: then this will be the last tackle question that will 608 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: jump inside when you're looking in your seat out and 609 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: your guy. How big of a concern if you think 610 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: they maybe lack on play strength in college? Like I 611 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: got like Lucas good footwork, but not the strongest guy. 612 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: I think the O House State tackle Petite Free are 613 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: another guy. His feet are awesome, But then you so 614 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Aidan Hudchdon basically moving around like a rag doll in 615 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship game. Is that something where you 616 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: think you can improve that in the NFL level? But 617 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: I know sometimes your feet your feet right, you're either 618 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: a really good feet you don't. So how do you 619 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: guys view a guy that maybe has great feet, but 620 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: the play strength is something that we look at the tape, 621 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: You're like, he has a little work to do there. Yeah, 622 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: I think you can improve all of that. But it's 623 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: also depending on who the offensive line coaches. There are 624 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: some offen the offensive line coaches that are are much 625 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: better with schemes and with um you know, breaking down defenses, 626 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: and they're not as hard cool. We're on the UM 627 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: here the drills, we're gonna use and here the techniques 628 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: that we're going to use. So that's a big part 629 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 1: of it. I think, Look, the hardest thing to do 630 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: if you to pick the two. It's harder to teach 631 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: somebody good footwork, like if if you're not if you've 632 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: got concrete boots on, that's tough to fix and it's 633 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: tough to overcome if your hands are the issue. We 634 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: there are drills for that, there are ways that we 635 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: could work around that. And a lot of times in college, 636 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, guys get scared to get beat, so they 637 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: just kind of grab they don't they don't want to, 638 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, get poster eyes, so to speak. Um, so 639 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: you can kind of retrain them. Um. But I think 640 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: when you look at if you're struggling in college at 641 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: the college level with power and if you're struggling to 642 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: move guys and you're struggling with the upper body, um, 643 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: that's something that you're gonna have to really commit to 644 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: and really work on because they're they're bigger and stronger 645 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: and faster. In the NFL, it's not gonna get any easier. 646 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: My first start on Monday Night football, I turned twenty 647 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: one years old, up against the Dallas Cowboys. And my 648 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: first game was up against Leroy Glover, twenty one year old, 649 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: going up against a grown man who is an ass kicking, 650 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: leverage machine. You learned that even though coming out of 651 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: college you can have the strength that you think that 652 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: you have, you're going up against grown men now that 653 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: are anchored down, and you can work on that physicality 654 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: and your legs, your explosion to power. Those are all 655 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: things that all these young players can continue to develop. 656 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: But in regards to the techniques, to fundamentals and feet, 657 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: that's what really separates the great ones from the good ones. 658 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: All Right, Daniel fle fascinates me. You know, he's a 659 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: freak show. He's like six nine, he's three eight five. 660 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: If you're picking a guy like that to two part question, 661 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: you guys can attack either part of this. You want 662 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: how confident are you can get you guys like that 663 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: weight down and again he's never gonna be three thirty, 664 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: but can he be three sixty instead of three eight? 665 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, kind of like um the Eagles tackle plays out, 666 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: thank you? And then the second part of that, can 667 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: you beat two talls? A tackle like a sixth nine 668 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: almost two tall where guys that can get low on 669 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: you and the rush. Is that going to give you 670 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot of issues? You guys can attack either part 671 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: of that car. I don't think Jonathan Ogden had any 672 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: issues with anybody rushing against him. And if you guys 673 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: think that, I'm kidding. There's a picture from pregame in 674 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and four when we play the Baltimore Ravens 675 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Ogden makes Michael Strahan look like a child. 676 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: That's how big he is. Yeah, is there a good 677 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: advantage to being six nine? You're getting nowhere near my 678 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: surface area. I'm gonna be able to completely take away 679 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: this side of the entire football field. And if it 680 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: comes to the run game, I'm just so big and long, 681 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to push you out of the way. Anyways, 682 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: the area where it gets in trouble when you are 683 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: a big three pounder, it's not just about dropping the weight. 684 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: It's about keeping the weight off and when you get injured, 685 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: the ability to recover from it. Because if we look 686 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: at the other side and another team that's in this state, 687 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: there's a team that has in first round draft pick 688 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: that isn't playing due to having an injury doing to 689 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: be in a bigger body and to have your player 690 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: that takes you longer to recover because you can't put 691 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: as much weight on it. Yeah, it's definitely a factor 692 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: when you're that tall, but it can work for you 693 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: and against you. When you're that tall, you have to 694 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: have better knee been because it is game of lever. 695 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: So in order to get lower, how are you doing it? 696 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: Are you bending over at the waist to try to 697 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: get lower or do you have the flexion and the 698 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: strength and the lower body to actually bend your knees. 699 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: But you look at guys like Odden, like Tony Boselli, 700 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: they were so good with their hands. So if you've 701 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: got that, those long arms, and you can use that 702 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: to your benefit, you can succeed. I think for file Lele, 703 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: he didn't work out of the combine um. You know. Obviously, 704 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: movement is one of those things. Look when you turn 705 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: on the film and he gets his hands on guys, 706 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's a rap like he's demolition man. He's 707 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: destroying guys. I saw one player where he came in 708 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: on defensive tackle and it looked like he blew the 709 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: guy's knee out, like the guy buckled like a like 710 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: a cheap chair. And that's the kind of power that 711 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: he brings to the table. But in the NFL, you've 712 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: got athletes, you've got guys that are moving all around, 713 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: so you've got to have that that ability to move. Um, 714 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: Jordan Mylotta has done a really good job of it. 715 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: But he also they've cultivated him. You know, when they 716 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: brought him in there, he was a part of the 717 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: International Pathway UH player program. Jeff Stalin has done a 718 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: great job the offense line coach down there with kind 719 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: of grooming him, and they kind of brought him off slowly. Um, 720 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: but I think when you look at his technique, he's 721 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: got so much better at But if he does struggle anywhere, 722 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: it's that when he gets high and when he misses, 723 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: then now a sudden you struggle to get low. Let's 724 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: go inside. Let's start center here, Sean Tyler Linde bomb 725 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: stand for the underside center. And why he's gonna be fine. 726 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: You turned on the fellow and let the bomb. You're like, dude, 727 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: this guy was a natural born center. Like there are 728 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that were, you know, like myself, 729 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: I was a converted center. Um. You know, sometimes you 730 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: take a guard, all right, we'll move him the center. 731 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Linden bomb just like he was born to snap the 732 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 1: football and reach nose guards. His footwork in combo blocks, 733 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: like he knows exactly how much piece of a defense 734 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: tackle he can take on his way to the linebackers. 735 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: I think he's a heck of a player. He's not huge, 736 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: he kind of he reminds me of you know, like 737 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: Tom Naylan the Steelers are actually Devin Broncos center, Tom Nalen. 738 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Jeff Harding's the Steelers center. He's got He's got some 739 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: of that in him. He's athletic enough at the second line. 740 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, look, he was the nation's best center last year. 741 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: He's a plugg and play guy. You draft him, like 742 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: we know he's starting week one. He can handle all 743 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: the blocks, he can handle all the combination blocks. And 744 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: you get a guy from Iowa or you know his 745 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: technique of sound. You know he's tough, you know he's strong. 746 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: So I think for Lindenbaum, you know, it's really just 747 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: about the fit. What kind of offense is he going to? 748 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: You're not going to draft him and then you know, 749 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: run thirty six power and run all these scheme running 750 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: plays over in the thirty five times game. He's a 751 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: zone blocking guy. Um, he would be great in any 752 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: kind of zone stretch scheme. You know that. Any worries 753 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: though about the short arms, you know, I think that's 754 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a problem short arms my whole career. I 755 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: don't get worried about it because number one, it's about 756 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: the scheme that he's put in. The number two, he's 757 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: a former wrestler. He knows how to work leverage in 758 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: the outside hands, working him back inside. That's one thing. 759 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: As you said, the length he gets somebody's hands he's trapping, 760 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: he's getting them back, working back underneath. So he has 761 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: that hand replacement ability to work at. I mean, he 762 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: been interest and worse for the Iowa state champion ship. 763 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean in heavyweight. That just goes to show you 764 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: his toughness and its ability to work up against somebody 765 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: that's a bigger body up against him. But as you said, 766 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a scheme for him, alright, very simple. 767 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: Then any other center showing that kind of jumped out 768 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: to really flashed for me and my my. You know, 769 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of film on him, but 770 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: at the combine man. He was super athletic. He he 771 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: ran a great forty, which I know is not a 772 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: huge we don't put a lot of stock in that 773 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: is off of the lineman. But high energy, high motor guy. 774 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: And then he turned on the film and he kind 775 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: of reminded me of Kevin moy with how many times 776 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: he's pulling out like he's they're running tall sweeps. He's 777 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: out front leading the parade. So I think he's a 778 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: guy that that. You know, I don't know if he's 779 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: a first round pick, second round, third round pick. You 780 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: got a guy, um, you know, he's got some um 781 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: some Alex mckin him too. So I love his his physicality, 782 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: he's very tough. I saw him thrown linebackers, the defensive 783 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: backs out of the club like he's he's got a 784 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: finished component to him. Um. So I think he could 785 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: be a Week one starter for a team at center. 786 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Sounds like someone had a Beef Arkey gift bag for you, 787 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: Well have the combout an Indian to gain some nice 788 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: love for Cam Jargons. No, no, no doubt Jorgon's And 789 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we'll have a sponsorship for the hand 790 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: motion too. Yeah. I know, Luke Barner is a guy 791 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: that you have that Kentucky Kentucky. He's a really solid dude. 792 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: They too pick the plug and play. He was anchored 793 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: against Jordan Davis and that Georgia game. I was really impressed. 794 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: You know. The thing is about him is that he's 795 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: not gonna flash and have these numbers at the combine 796 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: with all these other guys running in the low five 797 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: oh's and low four nines, and then you're not going 798 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: to have all the background to go with it. But 799 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: as you said, just sound techniques and fundamentals, plays inside 800 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: and now can play both guards in centers. Had that 801 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: all played at Kentucky. But as you said, just smart 802 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: instinctual player, doesn't doesn't give up ground, is able to 803 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: sit down and anchor on the inside. We know his 804 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: academic background. He's a smart, intelligent kid. And when it 805 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: comes to being a center in the NFL, which Shaan 806 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: will tell you, one of the greatest things that these 807 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks can have is a center that can come 808 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: in take control of the calls, identifying the mic, identify 809 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: in the protections to take some of that off of 810 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: the plate of a young quarterback coming in. All right, 811 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: guards you either one can take either player. Who's your 812 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: top guard, Zion or Kenyan Green. I'm a Kenyan Green guy. 813 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: I love the versatility. I mean road greater. I mean 814 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: when we talk about you know, the guards in the 815 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: center responsible for the depth and the tackles responsible for 816 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: the wid He gets up zero ground on the inside 817 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: when he gets his hands on you. In the run game, 818 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: he moves people from point A to point B, gets 819 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: up to the second level. Has that natural because of 820 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: his size, the natural leverage to get underneath and stand 821 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: up three techniques for that defensive or offensive tackle to 822 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: come down and knock them down. The area where he 823 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: needs to improve is in the passing game. Is when 824 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: he has a quick twitch three technique that's bouncing inside 825 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: and out. You know he's jumping, He's should I k second? 826 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Should I kick? Should I step with my inside leg. 827 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: That's where he gets in some problems once he gets 828 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: that shifty guy. But I think for for me, he's 829 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: the best guard in the draft. I think he's a Stunn. 830 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: He's a violent player. It due. This guy's got unbelievable 831 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: hip power. I mean he could box squad probably five 832 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. Like he's got that hip explosion, and it's 833 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: funny when you see him pull like he likes pulling. 834 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: You can tell some guards pull because they have to. 835 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: Like he, he takes pleasure in pulling out the locomotive. 836 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: He's excited, he's getting around the corner. I'm gonna throw 837 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: an old school name out there, like he's got a 838 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: little will Shields in him, and they kind of lift 839 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: some guys out. But to your point about the pass pro, 840 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: look there there were a couple of times where his 841 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: physicality and his strength didn't translate athletically. His moment was 842 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: a little clunky odd. And then at the combine, I'm 843 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: watching him do some of the drills and he kind 844 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: of struggled with some of the drills which his footwork 845 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: wasn't clean. Um, he kind of got he gathered his 846 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: base a little bit. The change of direction didn't translate 847 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: on those drills. So you know, hopefully at the pro 848 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: day he was able to clean some of that up 849 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: and answer some questions. But I tell you Boston College, 850 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: if you ask Christna and Dan Copeen, they'll say that 851 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: it's old line universe of them. But I think when 852 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: you look at Zion Johnson, so smooth. I just talked 853 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: about Kenny Green look a little clunky at the drills 854 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: of the combine. I mean, he was so smooth in 855 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: and out change the direction, never lost his stagger, his 856 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: hips were square through everything. His posture was phenomenal. I 857 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: was so impressed with how well he did. And then 858 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: he turned on the tape and it backs it up. 859 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: Great job, grate forward. His stands is kind of it's unique. 860 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: He's got it. He He almost looks like Roger Staffold in 861 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: his stance. His left knee is kind of he's got 862 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: his left knee kind of knocked. And I think one 863 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: of the things that you look for in offensive linement 864 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: is that first step. Where does it start. Are they 865 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: leading with the foot and the ankle, or they're leading 866 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: with the knee and with his not knee kind of 867 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: leaned in on the stands, he has a great first 868 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: step and that sets him up for for for great 869 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: success on any zone schemes or any run plays. But 870 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: I think physically I was so impressed with him. Sometimes 871 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: you see guy on film and you're like, man, this 872 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: guy's stood or he looks really big, and they seem 873 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: a person and you're a little disappointed and not as 874 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: big as he thought they were. He was the opposite. 875 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: I saw him person on My man, that dude is 876 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: a stud. I could see a team that that would 877 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: fall over him. I think he's absolutely a weak one starter. 878 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: You can't believe when you put on film that he 879 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: started at Davidson in his career and then went over 880 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: to Boston College. It's unbelievable because, as you said, Boston 881 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: College is known for their offensive lineman and he fit 882 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: the mold perfectly, versatile, has the athletic says him to 883 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: play inside and out as you said, just smooth movements 884 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,479 Speaker 1: coming off of the line of scrimmage, natural bender gets 885 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: his feet underneath him. There is where he needs to 886 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: improve his obviously with the more continued play that will 887 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: have the more confidence with pre snap recognitions of blitz 888 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: is a stunts. It was funny think that Dave I 889 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 1: watched and it's funny he was mind the one guard 890 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: and a friend that I had as a former scouts 891 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: at john look at how he picks up stunts and 892 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: I thought he was a little slow recognizing some of 893 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: the games on some of those plays, to be honest 894 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,959 Speaker 1: with Yeah, So that's one area with more improved play 895 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: and more experience that he will definitely be able to 896 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: grab another area controlling his body at the second level. 897 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: Sometimes he's trying to beat the will linebacker or the 898 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: middle linebacker to the spot and then all of a 899 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: sudden it's shoulders in the head in front and knees behind. 900 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: The linebacker gives him the old old lay and he's 901 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: off to the side. And then the other aspect of 902 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: just his ability to in pass pro finished guys off. 903 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: You see guys go to lift their hands up. You 904 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: see guys to go get that extra rush, and it's 905 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: almost like he's waiting for the ball to get rid 906 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: of instead of hammering that guy and keeping his hands 907 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: down at the end, he's a natural offensive lineman. It's 908 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: probably the most unnatural position to play in all the 909 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: football because that's your stance to forwork everything. But I 910 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: think what's interesting about Zion he's got he's got a 911 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: really nique story. You talked about how he transferred from Davidson. 912 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: His offensive line coach was at BC and that's how 913 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: he entered the transfer portal, and that's how he ended 914 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: up up in Boston College. But he didn't even play 915 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: football until he was in high school. He was a golfer, 916 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: and so you kind of look at at his background 917 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: and you know, I think he's an intellectual guy. He 918 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: bet on himself going to Davidson saying, look, I know 919 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: Davidson is going to teach me how to play offensive line, 920 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: and then look it's it's worked out well for him. 921 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: So I love confidence that he has, and I think 922 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: he's a little bit intellectual. All right. The guard position 923 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times you see bigger and slower offensive 924 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: tackles in college reduced that. When you guys see an 925 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: offensive tackle in college, you're all right, well, we know 926 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: he's not gonna hold up a tackle in the pros 927 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: because he's too slow footed. What do you look for 928 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: that to convince you and David are the perfect I 929 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: to talk about this is you've done both that they 930 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: can reduce into guard and be a google out. There's 931 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: a couple names jam Maori Salier at A Georgia, Ryan, 932 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: the kid out of U. C. L A. Was a 933 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: left out. He looks like a guard. Um, you have 934 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: the Canard out of Kentucky. So how can you figure 935 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: out again? Things happen on faster inside. It's not just 936 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: an easy move. How do you know if a guy 937 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: can handle that well? Number One, if the guys on 938 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: the outside playing the edge in college and you think 939 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: that he just isn't going to be able to have 940 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: that next step to really force a defensive end and 941 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: really run them past that arc. Yeah, you think you're 942 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: gonna move him inside. Controlled aggression, limited area, limited space, 943 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: But there is that he definitely has to be able 944 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: to do bent. He's got to be able to get 945 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: under three techniques. He's got to be able to have 946 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: good footwork and good technique, because if you're getting beat 947 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: on the inside, it happens quick and it's over for you. 948 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: There's no redirecting, there's no restarting, riding the bull past. 949 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: It's over for you when it happens on the inside. 950 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: So I think those are the areas making sure his 951 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: feet in his hands are all tied together, that he 952 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: can play with leverage, but also just the nastiness that 953 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: you need to play with when you move from outside 954 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: to the inside. When you're playing tackle, it's controlled digression. 955 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: When you're playing inside, you're getting hit in the face immediately. Yeah, 956 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: it's definitely more physical. I think guards take a bigger 957 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: pounding no defel than tackles, and a lot of it's 958 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: because you have to pull a lot. So if you're 959 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about bringing a guy in from tackle 960 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: to guard, can he pull because at some point in 961 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: time you're gonna you're gonna pull your guards. Um. Some 962 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: teams doing more than others. But I think to your point, 963 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more close close quarters combat inside, 964 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: and so you've gotta have good hands. You better be quick. 965 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: You better have some quick some quick feet and hands, 966 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: and your your jumps out of gonna be your best friend. 967 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes guys that have played tackle, you get a couple 968 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: of kicks, slides sometimes before you even make contact. So 969 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: you're in space a little bit more guard. You're a 970 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: little bit more you know, close quarters, and the guys 971 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: are heavier. I mean, you've got guys are three and 972 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: in twenty pounds, so you better have a good anchor. 973 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: You better find a way to keep your hands inside. Um. 974 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: But I think the other thing too is when you 975 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: go into guard, now you've got guys coming from both directions. 976 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: When you're at a tackle, you're pretty much like, all right, 977 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm outside here, Like maybe once in a while I 978 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: have a twist come from here. But a guard, you know, 979 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to change direction and move 980 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: both ways, which sometimes guys struggle with not to mention 981 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: as you sit there and you talked about it just 982 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: in close space. There's times literally when you're sitting a 983 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: guard and it's boom, you're getting hit right away. There's 984 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: times whrom kicking that tackle, you're kicking as fast as 985 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: possible on the third down back there and you're like, okay, 986 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: come closer, Okay, come closer. You're waiting for him, like 987 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: you're trying to be patient and get your hands on. 988 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: You're like, okay, come on, come on, come on, You're waiting. 989 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: And that patience that you have to have that the 990 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: minute that it happens that you have your your length 991 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: and everything underneath you to punch and not overreach to 992 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: do it, that's that's very difficult to do out there. 993 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: Giant season tickets are on sale now for the season. 994 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: In addition to ticket savings, membership benefits include access to 995 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. You can lock 996 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: in your seat starting at just one hundred bucks. Called 997 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: NYG is a Giants dot Com slash tickets for more information. 998 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: Who are some of the day too, well, so are 999 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: you dave guards that you like? You know, the giants 1000 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: a bringam Mark Luncy laun term contract, he's a Rose, 1001 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: solid NFL starter. You know, it's just spots store kind 1002 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: of you know, we'll figure it out, We'll wait and 1003 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: see short term, what's the long term solution there? So 1004 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: I could see a guard being a day to early 1005 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: day three selection. Who are some of the guys, Dad 1006 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: that you like, big bodyguard, big Ad? I love big Ad. 1007 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: I listened by the way. Obviously limited athlete, we know that, 1008 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: but when you're talking about just an offensive lineman that 1009 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: loves the game, toughness, fighting, being able to get on uneath, 1010 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: dig down, really, I just I just like watching him play, 1011 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: just because you know that he loves the game, open space, 1012 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: you get the horn going. I just think that even 1013 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: though he's a limited athlete, I just think that he 1014 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: has the potential just refining his techniques and fundamentals at 1015 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: the next level of the play. You know, I look 1016 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: at a lot of these guys. This is a this 1017 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: is a deep office in line draft. So I think 1018 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: you absolutely could get some guys in the second and 1019 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: third round. Um you know, like I mentioned Trevor Penning 1020 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: early on, I mean, who knows, he could end up, 1021 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, not going in the first round, depending on 1022 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: how it all works, but in the second round he 1023 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: could be there. Look I could see a world where 1024 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: Linen Bomb ends up in the second round. You know, 1025 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: Look like, here's the thing. There's two guards and two tackles, 1026 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: but there's only one center. So you kind of look 1027 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: at all, right, once you get to the twenty pick 1028 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: of the draft, if those teams aren't really in the 1029 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: market for a center, now all of a sudden, you 1030 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: get a guy Linen Bomb. If you could get a 1031 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: guy like that in the second by the way, schemes 1032 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: specific set there, so if you're not want to have 1033 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: his own, then you're not even gonna look at at 1034 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: the beginning. So I think we could very well be 1035 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: looking at this draft and saying, man, we've got some 1036 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: really good players in the second and third round that 1037 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: probably had first grade first round grades on them. Um, 1038 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: you know I mentioned Cam Jurgen's I think he's another 1039 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: guy that that could sneak into that. Jamary Sali is 1040 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: the guy you mentioned me before we started, right Sawyer. 1041 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: I love his game and you know, you look at 1042 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: a guy that he played guard. All right, he could 1043 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: have come out as Richard Jr. He says, you know, 1044 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm coming back from my senior year bets on himself. 1045 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: They win the national championship. Now that's a great way 1046 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: for him to ride off. And you know, look, he 1047 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: absolutely improved his stock and he blocked Adia Hudginson better 1048 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: than any other player. He played against the college's best, 1049 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: and he more than held his own. I mean, he's 1050 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: got that pancake on on Hutchinson where everybody saw that. 1051 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: It went viral, So his stock is trending up. I 1052 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: think for him, he just he only played tackle for 1053 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: one year, so he could be a guy you could 1054 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: try out of tackle and then you know he's gonna 1055 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: be a good guard. Coming out of high school, he 1056 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: was a number one ranked guard in the entire nation. 1057 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: He was he was a third ranked guy in the state. 1058 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: That two guys ahead of were Trevor Lawrence and just 1059 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: and Fields. So that's how good of a guard he 1060 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: was coming out. I think if he if he happens 1061 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,720 Speaker 1: to be sitting in the second third round, the Giants 1062 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: have to jump on. There's a couple of reasons. Number one, 1063 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: he's a great player, he's physical, he's a good kid. 1064 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: But number two, you know is one of his best 1065 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: friends is Andrew Thomas. He played next to Andrew Thomas 1066 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: down in Georgia. They've been friends since middle school. He's 1067 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: from Atlanta, so they've known each other, you know, pretty much, 1068 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: their whole life. That would be a heck of a 1069 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: tantum to have him plug in the left guard, have 1070 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,439 Speaker 1: him next to Andrew Thomas. You get a young guy 1071 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,479 Speaker 1: in there, you know what he knows, he's eight's gonna 1072 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: take care of and you've got a veteran next you 1073 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: and John Feliciano. You know. I think one thing that 1074 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,760 Speaker 1: I really think about when it comes to the offensive linement, 1075 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: I really believe starting in the second round that there's 1076 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna be one or two of these top guys sitting 1077 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: there because just the way that it's been playing out, 1078 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: we know that the modern day game, with all the 1079 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: spread offenses, there's gonna be a run of receivers here 1080 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, and I think 1081 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: that that's gonna push back some of these offensive guards 1082 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: offensive tackles to either the late first round or started 1083 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: the second round where as you said, these are first 1084 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: round graded players. But just because of the push in 1085 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: the emphasis for the skill position, the fast guys, after 1086 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: the year that Jamaar Chase had last year, I just 1087 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: think that that runs gonna push some of these offensive linemen, 1088 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: especially maybe a Zion Johnson or Kenyan Green. I feel 1089 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: like one of those guys is gonna fall to start 1090 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: in the second round to be there sitting waiting. You 1091 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: guys get offensive lineman. As offensive lineman, you have to 1092 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: scout defensive lineman. So before we say goodbye, um, let's 1093 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: talk about the pass rushers real quick here top how 1094 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: do you rank those top four guys if you're the Giants, 1095 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: how do you see in their different guys have different 1096 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: shapes and sizes that kind of do different things showing. 1097 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with you. I think if you're looking at 1098 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 1: this at this draft class, you know I'll go with production. 1099 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,439 Speaker 1: So I'll put Aidan Hutchinson number one. Production. What he's 1100 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: done to get some of the best players in all 1101 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: of college football. It's and it's not just you know, 1102 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: like sacks because of bussing, coverages or cover sex. This 1103 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: guy's hands, I think he's got the best hands out 1104 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: of all the defensive lineman in this trash like, he 1105 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: tries to engage with offensive lineman just so we can 1106 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: discard it to get to one of the things that 1107 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: you usually say a lot about guys coming out as man, 1108 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: this guy is a really good athlete. He's really good. 1109 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: He needs to work on his hands. He can't get 1110 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: off blocks. Eight Hunterson doesn't get blocked, and and you 1111 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: know he's constantly swimming guys, and he has the best 1112 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: hands coming out. So I would put him number one. 1113 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, Thibodeaux and Oregon. I think he's 1114 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: his potential is might be even a little bit greater, 1115 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: but he's athletically, he's still got some things to iron out. 1116 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: I think Trayvon Walker is kind of the wild card 1117 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: here because when you look at him, he played a 1118 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: hybrid role, so he didn't have the same kind of production, 1119 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: but physically it's unbelievable. Your defensive coordin here, you're looking 1120 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: at that guy and you're saying, man, if I can 1121 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: get my hands on him, if I could teach him 1122 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: a couple more tricks, if I could find ways to 1123 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: move him around in my defense, He's one of those 1124 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: guys I mean he looks he moves. He's like Myles 1125 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: Garrett almost kind of with with his body type and 1126 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: the way he moves at two seventy pounds, like the 1127 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: guys shouldn't be able to move that well. So I 1128 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: think he's right up there in the mix. And the 1129 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: fourth guy, Jeremy Johnson, was Jeremy Johnson. I think he's 1130 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: probably the best all around defensive end out of all 1131 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: four of them, like and actually I think he might 1132 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: be better on first and second down than he than 1133 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: all these other guys. I number one, I'll start off 1134 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: Aida Hutchinson. I mean, you just put on film and 1135 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: he makes play after play after play in every single 1136 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: game that you turn on. He doesn't get beat by 1137 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: tight ends. He owns them. At the point of attack. 1138 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: You see him stack and shed where it's just natural 1139 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: or he's doing him or then he'll give him the 1140 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: ol ay and rip around the edge where his area 1141 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: where he needs to improve on is just once again 1142 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: having a pass rush plan after the first one stopped. 1143 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: You know, in the enda in college game, you could 1144 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: be a one trick pony and get away with it 1145 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: every single time you're gonna go up against now veteran 1146 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,879 Speaker 1: offensive tackles that are gonna have a plan that's gonna 1147 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: stop your initial move. How quickly can you transition to 1148 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: the next one. But he has the hands in order 1149 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: to do that. You mentioned this when we did our 1150 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: TV shoot on tape. He doesn't win with the outside 1151 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,919 Speaker 1: rush in the ben but you look at the three 1152 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: cone droll and you're feeling okay about that. Yeah, I 1153 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: mean you worry about the bend. But when you look 1154 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: at their times, he ran a six seven three, which 1155 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: would be third out of all wide receivers at the combine, 1156 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: not defensive ends at sixty wide receivers. Second right behind 1157 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,439 Speaker 1: him would be who Trayvon Walker with the six eight nine, 1158 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: He would be the fourth in that lineup of wide 1159 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: receivers at that three cone drill. So as much as 1160 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: they don't have that same natural bend that you see 1161 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: as some of these smaller guys, I don't think it 1162 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: messed with Julius Peppers during his career, did it not. 1163 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: I think he was. I think he was okay transitioning 1164 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: to that game by using that athletic system. So I'll 1165 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: go Aidan Hutchinson number one tray Von Walker number two. 1166 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, just tremendous upside versatility, whether 1167 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,919 Speaker 1: it's at four three playing the strong side DEFENSI vendor 1168 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: the week side three four, he could play that stand 1169 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: up guy for three tech two. He can play three 1170 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,240 Speaker 1: technique where you can move him inside. He just provides 1171 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: all that versatility. But the questions that you're still asking 1172 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: about the potential where it can go, that's where Hutchinson 1173 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: on film answer all of those questions. Number three for me, 1174 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: as I said when we were doing the Uh the 1175 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: Show earlier, Jamaine Johnson is probably my favorite defensive player, 1176 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: let alone player in the draft. He just has that 1177 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: nastiness and that attitude. When he gets off the bus, 1178 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, that's a man child ready to play 1179 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: the end of the line of scrimmage. Heavy handed, plays 1180 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: with violence, open space, knows what angles to take, doesn't 1181 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: have mis tackles, plays with that relentless effort. His hands 1182 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: got tremendously better from we saw his production ramp up threefold, 1183 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: going from five to fifteen sacks in Florida State. I 1184 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: just love his game and what he brings to it. 1185 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: So for me, I'd have him number three. Thibodeaux, I'd 1186 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: have five. I've had the Greek freak number four before him. 1187 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: I love what he brings, obviously, the attitude of being 1188 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,879 Speaker 1: able to play inside, outside, stout up against the run game. 1189 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: We talked about Hutchinson. He's another one at the end 1190 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: of the end up point of attack, whether it's offensive tackles, 1191 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: whether it's tight ends, is able to anchor down and 1192 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: hill continue to get better. Thibodeaux, he was beat by 1193 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: tight ends one on one. I saw him twelve yards 1194 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: down field getting driven by an offensive tackle. Those other 1195 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 1: four defensive ends, I didn't see that happen to. And 1196 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: I get that he has all the upside, all the speed, 1197 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,479 Speaker 1: all the intangibles that you want coming off of the edge, 1198 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: But he doesn't have the same lower body as Micah Parsons. 1199 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: He doesn't have that same strength and bend and that 1200 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,879 Speaker 1: flexion his ankles that MIKEA. Parson has. Now, when you're 1201 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: talking about not just putting him in limited positions because 1202 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: he has a primary third down uh defensive end, imagine 1203 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: if he's on first and second town, what are we 1204 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna motion over, We're gonna go scoop 1205 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,400 Speaker 1: on the move, and we're gonna have me and the 1206 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: tight end completely lift you off of the ground and 1207 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: move you and force the three technique to take up 1208 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: that much space. That's where the areas of struggles come in, 1209 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: and that's where it better be a perfect scheme fit 1210 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: and you better have another big body DEFENSEI veend that 1211 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: can hold off as well. I'm putting you guys in 1212 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: the spot me a little bit, so I'll start with you, Dave. 1213 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: If the Giants missed out on a pass rusher in 1214 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: the first round, is there is there a guy that 1215 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: might be available eight or on day two that you 1216 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: might like. You have the boy Mafes, the Bocketty's from Oklahoma. Boy, 1217 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: he is a speed He's another speed guy, another natural 1218 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: pass rusher. You know, can still can continue to use 1219 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: some extra leverage in some work in the run game, 1220 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: dropping his weight, making sure he one arm stabs so 1221 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't give up both arms, because sometimes when he 1222 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 1: had a bigger offensive tackle, instead of using one arm 1223 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 1: to pry at the end of it, he'd used to 1224 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 1: and he just get wrapped up and held in there. 1225 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: I think that's an area where he can continue to improve. 1226 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: But I see him and possibly moving into the first round. 1227 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: Some people are saying, let me say this, the Giants 1228 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 1: had the fifth and the seven overall pick in the draft, 1229 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: and they miss on an edge rusher. We got a 1230 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: bigger problems if you with an offensive tackle on the 1231 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: top corner in the draft. That's not a bad thing. 1232 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: You know what. I wouldn't mind a little Sauce Gardener, 1233 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: a little Devin Lloyd either. We like the linebacker. Huh. 1234 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: We'll think about now running coach martindale system on the 1235 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. He isn't a really physical 1236 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,360 Speaker 1: guy that was more of a space gap. Well, you 1237 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,479 Speaker 1: need guys that can run, and you've got have guys 1238 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: that can cover, and he's one of those players that can. 1239 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: Former safety. Ye all right, give me your ideal scenario 1240 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: before we say goodbye. Five and seven? Oh, I think 1241 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: I know where you're going out based on what you 1242 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: just said shown. If happiest Shawn O'Hara possible on Friday morning, 1243 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: who do the Giants walk away with a five and seven? 1244 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: Good question? I think if they could find a way 1245 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: to have Kuana, if they could get a quantu um 1246 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 1: at seven and then get a pass rusher at five, 1247 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,360 Speaker 1: I think that would be that would be ideal. And 1248 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: who'll get the past rustally want? I mean if they 1249 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't think Hutcheson will be there at five now 1250 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: Hutcheson will be great. I think he's gone. So I look, 1251 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: if if Trayvon Walker ends up, you know, sliding a little, 1252 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: you'll be happy with Walker or Thibodeau. If if you 1253 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,280 Speaker 1: got if Walker at five and Akuano at seven, that's realistic. Okay, 1254 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: that's his idea. What's yours? Aquanu and Sauce. If we 1255 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: could get Kano and Sauce Gardener, those would be my 1256 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: top two, And with no Sauce, I'd go Jamay Johnson. 1257 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: I absolutely love him. I think he is exactly what 1258 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: the Giants need on the defensive side of the ball. 1259 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 1: Scheme fit at a to fit, not a lot of 1260 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 1: tread on the tires. I think that he would be 1261 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: my perfect guy. Well, this podcast lived up to expectations. 1262 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: One of my favorite ones all year. Gentlemen, always a pleasure. Uh, 1263 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: the draft is coming fast and furious and enjoy it. 1264 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: And yeah we're getting there. So for Shon O'Hara and 1265 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,359 Speaker 1: David deal On, John Tron, thank you for joining us 1266 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: on the latest Giant subtle podcast as we get ever 1267 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 1: closer to the NFL Draft,