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Speaker 2: Her name is Pashtana Dorani is an Afghan education advocate,

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Speaker 2: founder of the NGO Learn Malala's Fund, education Champion, a

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Speaker 2: United Nations Youth Envoy, and Amnesty International Global Youth Collective Representative.

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Speaker 2: After the fall of Kandahar and later the rest of

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Speaker 2: the country, Pashtana became a face of disappearing women's right

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Speaker 2: now in Afghanistan, appearing regularly in national and international press outlets.

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Speaker 2: And we are honored to have you here today. So

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Speaker 2: welcome to soft REP.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Pashtana, let's start off with you are a third

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Speaker 2: generation refugee from the tribal lands of Pakistan Afghanistan border.

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Speaker 3: And you're Afghanistan. You're Afghani.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm an a. Yes, I'm an a.

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Speaker 3: But you've never really got to live in your country.

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Speaker 4: I have lived in my country. So here's the fun part.

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Speaker 4: So I come from May tell me, so I go

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Speaker 4: a lot into this trible thanks, so raise yourself for this.

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Speaker 4: So I'm from the Durani tribe, which is like the

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Speaker 4: largest tribe within the southern parts of Afghanistan. And what

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Speaker 4: happened was in the eighties, my grandfather was fighting the Soviets.

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Speaker 4: He got injured and then they moved as the first

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Speaker 4: generations and the Duranis. Within the Duranis, we had the

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Speaker 4: like infidels, blah blah blah. He found them, he moves

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Speaker 4: that's like the first generation. And then the second generation

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Speaker 4: is my uncles that were teenagers, they were sent off

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Speaker 4: to Germany and then from Germany to Canada and they

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Speaker 4: who became the second generations of refugees. And then I'm

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Speaker 4: the third person or a third generation who sort of

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Speaker 2: Right, your genealogy is just going to be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: And I took I took a DNA test rather so

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Speaker 2: I got my DNA results and I found out like

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Speaker 2: So you know what's funny is when you take these tests,

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Speaker 2: it's like, literally, are you mentally prepared, hit yes, and

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Speaker 2: It got me all my results. I'm like, okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: But so the DNA is I know, crazy, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. But here's the fun part. So I have

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Speaker 4: tried tracing my mother's leamage because she's a cocker By

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Speaker 4: But my father's tribe they don't move, they're not movers.

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Speaker 4: It's funny for me is I'm like, oh, I'm one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent sure from my dad's side it's all the

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Speaker 4: same thing. But from my mom's side, it's a lot

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Speaker 4: of like you know, mixing and there's like a lot

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Speaker 2: Now you're about to find out that, you know, I

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Speaker 2: That is so crazy, right, and like point nine percent Sardinian.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm like, well, if Sardinian counts, then

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Speaker 4: You know, my friend and my friend she has I

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Speaker 4: my god, all of this counts. This counts.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that counts. You know.

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Speaker 2: My best friend got his DNA done and he's Chinese

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because that whole yes, and

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have any I do. I'm like, maybe I'm

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Speaker 4: Maybe you never know you.

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Speaker 2: Are no right And living as a young lady, as

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Speaker 2: to get to you know, so whether it's a female

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Speaker 3: Them to know that that exists for them, right.

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Speaker 2: And what you're doing right now is exactly like kind

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Speaker 2: of like Malala does. And just like you just are

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Speaker 2: putting it out there. You're just like, hey, this is me.

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Speaker 2: Your book is last to eat, last to learn. Let's

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Speaker 2: really be clear about that. In Afghanistan culture, the boys

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Speaker 4: So I have to make sure that I say this

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Speaker 4: It was like the first daughter effect, and it's just

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Speaker 4: I'm seeing it to you right now, is the minute

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Speaker 4: will be more inclined towards a more feminist society, a

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Speaker 4: access to opportunity. And the thing was for Alphan fathers.

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Speaker 3: And I think and he did. And in your book

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So but here's the thing like that is without

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Speaker 4: one father's majority of them are like that. They love

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Speaker 4: But I do think that we cannot hide away from

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Speaker 4: representative of our fund women. I'm going to give example

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Speaker 4: now is because he invested so much money into this.

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Speaker 4: Whereas my uncle, by the way, ended up in Canada

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Speaker 4: So you have to understand that these two mentalities can

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Speaker 2: Because he knew like that was not what he wanted

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Speaker 4: He believed in Afghanistan where women could go to work,

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Speaker 3: Now you are now the teacher.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I was so young. I was like six

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Speaker 4: It's not necessarily something you need to do. But the

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Speaker 4: And in a way I took it. In a way,

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Speaker 4: But I'm grateful that those values were integrated into me.

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Speaker 4: meant to believe that as a woman, as a young woman,

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00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 4: I have a right to my community to make that

436
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 4: change happen. So I'm grateful for all of those.

437
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, i mean, look at the seeds that you planted in,

438
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: all of those that you educated. Yeah, okay, because when

439
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: you were six, that was probably like sixteen years ago.

440
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure your aged today, you know, twenty six,

441
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: that's like twenty two maybe, Okay, So you know, I

442
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: was gonna throw that dart, okay, But at the end

443
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: of the day, those people are holding onto something that

444
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: you taught them.

445
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I met someone three years ago who was like, oh, yeah,

446
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 4: I went to your aunt's school and she was teaching

447
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: in spinball back after that, and I was like fascinating,

448
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 4: Like I didn't even recognize her, you know, for a minute,

449
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 4: and then she came and she talked to me, and

450
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, oh my god, you're

451
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: the kid that I bullied, you know, but thank god

452
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: you're here.

453
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, yes, she's like a's for apple, yeah,

454
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: like a DS for dog. I mean, just the little

455
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: things that matter, right, And so I try to learn

456
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: Spanish or other languages.

457
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: It's just not easy.

458
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: So here you are as a six seven year old

459
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: trying to teach English to people because your father knew, like, hey,

460
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: we need to have this because we got to talk

461
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: back and forth.

462
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely percent yes.

463
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very very cool, very cool.

464
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: Right, A lot of special Forces, So my father was

465
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: a Green Beret Special Forces in the army, also spoke

466
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: other languages, you know, and always like encouraged me to

467
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: learn other things. And so what did I do is

468
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: now my daughter is fluid in Mandarin. Oh cool, and

469
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: so is my sixteen year old son. They're both fluid.

470
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: My son has a hard time like writing it, but

471
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: he can converse like, no problem. And what I told

472
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: him is, I said, son, like a lot of people

473
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: even in China can't read and write their own language,

474
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: let alone you who can just have a whole conversation.

475
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: So we went out to his birthday to a Cantonese

476
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: restaurant and as soon as I said Seshie to the

477
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: servers that he's like, oh, you learn Chinese, and my

478
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: son just start talking to him, and then he's like, oh,

479
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: you know Chinese, and then my daughter starts talking across

480
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: the table, and the waiter was just like, okay, wait,

481
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: what is this universe?

482
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 4: Are these are these have Chinese people? What is happening here? No?

483
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: Right, not on my DNA an African maybe San African.

484
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: Bro, You're so cool. You already know that about me.

485
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: That's that's the funniest thing. I mean, who came to

486
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: you to say write this book?

487
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: Funny story? Through twenty twenty, a lot of a lot

488
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: of is happening. My father has passed away, and I'm

489
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 4: dealing with a lot of tribal drama, and there's so

490
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 4: much happening. I'm between Cobble and Kandahar all the time.

491
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: And you're a woman in the situation.

492
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god. And I'm like a young woman, by

493
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 4: the way, yes, with a mind, with a mind. But

494
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: here's the funny thing. I was. I was way way

495
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: early on. I was introduced to my community, the men

496
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: in my community and the boys in my communities. I

497
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: think for them, it was pretty like whatever, it's personal,

498
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: it's acceptable.

499
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: She can do whatever she wants, you know, yeah, whatever.

500
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: You know, like, she can, yeah, she can do whatever

501
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: she wants. Like I had a three pass so I

502
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 4: sort of knew that I could do that. But in

503
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: other ways, my uncles were not so comfortable with that.

504
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: They were like, I remember my uncle on the thirty

505
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: of my father's passing over. He's like, we when like you,

506
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: when you're done with your school in a year, you

507
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 4: should get married and settle down and don't worry about things,

508
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 4: the tribal affairs. You are going to take care of it.

509
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 4: And I was like, looking at him, I was like okay.

510
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: And then I let him and I led him and

511
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: I was like okay, sure, and I give him a chance.

512
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 4: And then I was like he didn't do a good job.

513
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: And I was like, dude, nah, I cannot let you

514
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: do this on my father's legacy. He didn't sacrifice this

515
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: much for you to walk all over this like that.

516
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: So I had to, like, you know, level against him.

517
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think going back and forth between Koble

518
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is not how we do

519
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: things here.

520
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: No.

521
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, you're free mind, you're you're a

522
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: modern woman.

523
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: Hello, Like this works modern.

524
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: But also like, you know, in many ways, I think

525
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm very traditional slash marn I would say, because I

526
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: believe in my tribal roots. I believe in the way

527
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: we were raised was in many ways very sure tribal,

528
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: but also in many ways very communal, something that worked

529
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 4: for my people, and I believe that I should be

530
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 4: bringing on that tradition. And I think for them, they

531
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 4: were like, oh, we need the name, but we're not

532
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: going to do the work. And I was like, that's

533
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 4: not how it's done, dude, Like you do the hard work,

534
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 4: because that's how you get the name. And it said

535
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: like last year I was back home and my brother

536
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: was I had the tribal elder who was my uncle

537
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: from another tribe. He came in and they so he

538
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 4: wakes up early in the morning at five and my

539
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: brother wouldn't wake up. And I went to his room

540
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 4: and I was like, you want to be the next

541
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: con in this family. You really want to be the

542
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: next person who's going to carry on the name, and

543
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: you can only wake up at five am. I don't

544
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: think this is going to happen for you, So don't

545
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: even wake up. And I shut the door and I

546
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 4: stand the door and I go downstairs, and in ten

547
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: minutes like grubbing his eyes, and he comes down. He's like,

548
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. I was later. So it's like, you.

549
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: Have to have those standards.

550
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 4: You have to have those standards, and I don't think

551
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: the men hadn't.

552
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: But you're like, you think you want to be conn

553
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: you think you can get hanged. You can't get up

554
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: at five am. Bro, I'm going downstairs, go to bed.

555
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Don't even get out of bed. I thought it was

556
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: more like you're like, hello, you want to be coming out.

557
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: It's like brothers, sisters doors.

558
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 4: I was like mad, assuming my faces, and my mom

559
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: she makes why am I up?

560
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: No?

561
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: But have you seen the Dora cartoon. It's like Dora

562
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 4: the Explorer. Yes, of course, So my mom makes fun

563
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: of me. She's like your Dora the Explorer with your

564
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: up one traditional dress. You are like, you know, and

565
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: she's like, you go into all these and you expect

566
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 4: people to do the things on the right time, and

567
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: then they don't do it and you're all feman and mad.

568
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: And my mom's like, Dora, calm down, Dora, calm down.

569
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: But the animals, mom, the animals, you know, I know,

570
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: and the trees and the cliffs. Hello, mom my, map,

571
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: let me call it the map. Hello? Map?

572
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: Can you see the map? Please tell me we're the map.

573
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: So I actually like that movie. I'm not gonna lie

574
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: the I don't know if you saw or not, but

575
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: I like it.

576
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: I grew up watching her, so my mom, my, mom

577
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: and sister called me doughter. But during twenty twenty, I

578
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: am going between Cobble and Kandahar and negotiating this mo

579
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: OU with and the government to work with these schools.

580
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: I am negotiating these terms with one of these tribal

581
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: chief from Done and Cobble because he cannot come to

582
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: Conda Heart because of security. And then the midst of

583
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: all of that, somebody reaches out to me and he's like, oh,

584
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: remember we talked a year ago. I did my PhD

585
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: thesis and you were part of that pieces and my

586
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: son saw that. And she wants to talk to women

587
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: and up on the summer young women or doing something,

588
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: and I recommended you. Would you be interested in talking

589
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: to her? And she's doing this book on different women

590
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 4: that to ural a world. So she's doing it with

591
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: Kurdish women fighters like yeah, oh my god, so badass.

592
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: So I mean so badass. Yeah you're badass.

593
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: They're badass, but they are like badass badass, you know, like.

594
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: Badass, Yes, snipers, I get it.

595
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: Well, you're putting your veil on every five seconds, so

596
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, okay, badass.

597
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: I'm very nimated. So this happens all the time. So

598
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: but with with the Kurlish Pashners, I'm like a fangirl.

599
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: I fend alone them so much. Oh yeah, So she

600
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: reaches out to me. She's like, oh yeah, I'm going

601
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: to make you part of this chapter, like you know,

602
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: for this book and I'm writing this and I'm like okay.

603
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: So she does the interview, she goes away. I don't

604
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: hear back from her, and I'm like, in the middle

605
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: of like all these crisis the countries like in Flames,

606
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: we are under siege, and so much is happening. And

607
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: then after six months, in the end of twenty twenty,

608
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: she reaches out. She's like, listen, I thought about this.

609
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: I think your story is way too big to be

610
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: taught or read in a chapter. We need to write

611
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: a book. And then that's where in the stuff it

612
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: was not just about me. It was about the women,

613
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: the tribal women, and how amazing they are and how

614
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: fascinating they are. But by the end of it, I

615
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: was the connecting dot between all these women that were connecting,

616
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: so it sort of become about me. But yeah, that

617
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: was the sort of thing that became the book. And

618
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: then throughout the twenty twenties ended twenty twenty one. Start

619
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: we just talked. We did a lot of research, We

620
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: did a lot of talking, interviews, questions, writing, so that

621
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: became the books identity or like you know, the book

622
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: becoming a thing. And then it was done. And then

623
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: I forgot about the book because we were under siege

624
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: for three months in Kandahar, so I had to deal

625
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: with a lot of other stuff. But yeah, that's how

626
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: the book came to be. Basically, a very different nuanced

627
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: way on how people see albums, especially albums from rural

628
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: primary regions of Afghanistan, And for me, it's very important

629
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: that we're seeing in a very different light than that

630
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: way will portrayed in the past two decades or even

631
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: in general. You know.

632
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when you say the siege of Candahar, is

633
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 5: that when we're talking about like kind of how afghan

634
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: the fall of you know, the pull out and everything,

635
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: is that what you're referencing.

636
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: And you were in candahart during that time, right, and

637
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: and a lot of the news media just gripped right onto,

638
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: you know, like the airplane taken off and like the

639
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: the gates being rushed by people trying to get out

640
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: because whatever reasons that they got to get out.

641
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: You know, that kind of a thing. Don't leave us behind,

642
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: you know?

643
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: Is that the same sense that you were getting from

644
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: the neighborhood versus what we were seeing on TV was

645
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: it as drastic and dire And I know it's gone

646
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: that way, right, like the talibanner like more women can

647
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: go to school.

648
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: Here's the thing with Kobble, of course, everybody is in

649
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 4: chaos and I'm hearing all these reports and everything is happening.

650
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: But with Kandahar, we were taken by the Thuliban two

651
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: days before Cobble. And what happened with us is everything

652
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: just went silent. Everything just dropped. It was in drop

653
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: silence in the streets. Nobody was out, nobody was going out.

654
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: And I remember the first thing that they did was

655
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: they went to a bank, to the Avonspan International Bank.

656
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: They talked to the accountants, who were women by the way.

657
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: They told them that they should go home and send

658
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: their brothers to do their jobs. And I was like,

659
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my god. And I was like fuming,

660
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: and I'm tweeting about it and I'm like, how dare

661
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: you stupid people? Blah blah blah. And that's what they did.

662
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: And that was the first time in Kannahar women were

663
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: stripped off of their working rights and it just went

664
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: onto our role. So people didn't even open public schools,

665
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: you know. After that, private schools were scared. Women wouldn't

666
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: show up to offices. So a lot of people got

667
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: scared all of a sudden because there was like house

668
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: roots that were happening. People like the disarmament the project

669
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: was happening, when the polybon were taking people's arms around

670
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: away and the assault trifles and everything and that sort

671
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: of comeback was very different from what happened in Cobble

672
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: and Cobble people. Yes, they were running towards the airport.

673
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: They were like sort of like, you know, leaving everything behind.

674
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: Kind of mass hysteria.

675
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: C yes, and in come her. It just went to

676
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: a place where it w was like this is it.

677
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: There's nothing we can do about it.

678
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: What's going to happen next? Like it's the next step,

679
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Like what are they going to do?

680
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Roll down the We're just going to keep out of

681
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: their way because you are like, oh, definitely kind to

682
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: keep out of your Yeah, yeah, exactly.

683
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: It's like dude underground, Yeah yeah, It's like that's it.

684
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, we're going to teach you today at home,

685
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: and you know your sisters and brothers are going to

686
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: learn today because we're not going to send you to school.

687
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Because no one wants to get any of the girls

688
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: hurt or killed, I.

689
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: Think, or married off to somebody that they don't want

690
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: to be married off to.

691
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: So I think when they came in into come to Her,

692
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: there sort of projection is we won't hurt anyone. We's

693
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: general amnesty for everyone who worked and sort of like

694
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: they wanted to uphold that image of them, like when

695
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: they were whitewashed by all these Western journalists, like, oh,

696
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: these are normal people, they're not bad people. They didn't

697
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: blow up people for the past two decades except them.

698
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: And then they came in. And then within the first week,

699
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: I remember watching this video where the Collied fighters trying

700
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 4: to take a car out of a cultural room and

701
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: this guy who is so bad ass he talks to

702
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: the commander and who's like, no, you cannot do this.

703
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: You cannot take away the car that I've paid heavy

704
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: money for. You cannot just take it out away, and

705
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: he holds him by the hand and was thinking to myself,

706
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: I was like, it takes God to call out someone

707
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: like that, you know. So yeah, and then people started

708
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: opening up and trying to like do opposition but in

709
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: a very different way. But also at the same time,

710
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 4: a lot of people were like pretty scared. They didn't

711
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: want to go out, they didn't want to send their

712
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: door kids out, they didn't want to send their daughters out.

713
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: And rightfully so, because three years later today you look

714
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 4: into Akhanistan, sexual abuse for women, is there not that

715
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: it was not there in the past. Red it was there,

716
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: but now it's something that is integrated. Kids are getting kidnapped.

717
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 4: I have a very close friend. Her cousin was kidnapped

718
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: and beheaded by the way and assaulted. Yes. So, and

719
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 4: when you when you talk about all of these things,

720
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: here's the thing. When you talk about all of these things,

721
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: when you write about these things, there's a certain group

722
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: who is very educated who's gone back to off Hunderstan,

723
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: that is the diaspora, their sort of lob being full

724
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: of Taliban, and they're like, oh, this is lies. We

725
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: don't believe this. Yes, because you are the most privileged

726
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: people in this country. You carry a US or a

727
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: UK passport, you get to leave the country where them

728
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: that you want. You are not necessarily a full time

729
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: out on pep yourself out of that citizenship from the

730
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: other country. And then I'll see how it happens when

731
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 4: you have to send your daughter to school, when you

732
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: have to send your son outside, you know, then we'll see,

733
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: then we'll talk. So it's like the fact when even

734
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: when you're trying to see the reality, they're active, educated

735
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: people who are loving otherwise, you know, so it's very

736
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: hard to even you know, bring this to light anymore.

737
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: We kind of have that going on here in the

738
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: US right now, right now, educated people I know who

739
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: are sitting here saying, don't worry about it, do what

740
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: we say, do what we say, everything will be okay.

741
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait, we're also educated people, and we

742
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: don't want to do what you say, and we don't

743
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: want you to be there, and I don't want you

744
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: to be the leader, and this, that and the other thing.

745
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it does take a lot of

746
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: guts to stand up to that, because it's easy to

747
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: conform and just go along and shuffle along and just

748
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: do what you're told, do what you're told, and then

749
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: go home and do what you're told.

750
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: But now it takes somebody to have to you know,

751
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: you have to stand up for you.

752
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I think I think you have to have a spine.

753
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: And most importantly, I don't think. I don't want to

754
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: see it, but I think I have to say it.

755
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: I'm not I can never be the person who can

756
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: confirm I was never a conformist as a kid. I'm

757
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: never going to be a conformist when I'm here right now.

758
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: And I don't think the women in my family, the

759
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: people in my family or in the past three hundred years,

760
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: what they have done, what they have sacrificed. Would want

761
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: me to conform to the normal ways or the abusive ways,

762
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: just for the sake of some peace, you know.

763
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: Negative they did everything to get you here. Oh my god,

764
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: what you doing? Yes, they don't want you to stop.

765
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: No. And they have scrifice so much. They have sacrificed

766
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: so much. Oh my god. I remember people telling my

767
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 4: father when he I was being sent to a boarding school.

768
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, she's going to run away. When I

769
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 4: was like, okay, let her run out, Like imagine, imagine

770
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: a tribal chief had to defend that. And then and

771
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: then when I was on TVs and I was famous,

772
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, everybody's like, yes, we believed in her,

773
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: she could do it, and no, I was like, oh

774
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: yeah yeah. I was like we knew the whole time.

775
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: And every time I would meet all these people and

776
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: then they're like, oh, we're related to you. I was like, oh,

777
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: so we're not related like three years ago, but we're

778
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: related now. Okay, okay, but like that's the thing, that's

779
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: the thing. But I think, oh my god, we have

780
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: sacrificed so much for us, so much to conform, for

781
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: us to accept no.

782
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: M so yeah, yeah, yeah, seriously.

783
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, you know, my friends that deployed

784
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: to Afghanistan, you know, to try to allow voting to happen,

785
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: so that they could try to have elections to happen,

786
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: so that you know that these places are protected, you know,

787
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: And here we are over in the US, like are

788
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: you voting? I don't know if my candidate's the one

789
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: that I want to vote for, I don't know.

790
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: It's like, do you understand you even have a Yeah,

791
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: you're so born with it, yep.

792
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: If you can step outside of it, you know, and

793
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: see what it's like to not have that opportunity to choose,

794
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: it's a big deal, right, you know. I saw with

795
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: the Iraqi women putting their finger and the purple I'm

796
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: not sure if that's out when Afghanistan too, you know,

797
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: and they pointed up like look and outside of that

798
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: voting pole booth was like a security detail protecting it

799
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: from anybody, and they lined up to say I'm voting.

800
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you also. Like one thing I

801
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 4: find it very fascinating with people in the US is

802
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: like the fact that you have this discussion you know

803
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: that who I'm going to wait vote for, or you

804
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: have this political discourse where you hate on the other candidate,

805
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: but you don't go missing, you don't die all of

806
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: a sudden. You get to hate on them on all this,

807
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: yet you know, you still get to live your life.

808
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: You don't lose your job all of a sudden, you

809
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: don't go missing. You're not stripper off of your rights

810
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: all of a sudden. You know. That is so fascinating

811
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 4: to me that people in the US don't think that

812
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: that's a privilege, you know, because they're born with it.

813
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: And then also another thing that I find fascinating is

814
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 4: the fact that when I'm at Harvard and the Graduate

815
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: School of Education, and even this interview is happening here.

816
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: So every time I'm in a class and I am

817
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: taking this class called education and Uncertainties, right, and people

818
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: who have been in the US have never been out

819
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: of the US. They have this idealist view of like

820
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: how education should be like accessible but in a very

821
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 4: different way, and how everyone has the right to all

822
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: of this. And I'm like, yes, everybody wants every normal

823
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: human being who has a good heart, who want that.

824
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: But when you're in war, things are very different. So

825
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: for me, the fact that you can choose idealism, you know,

826
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: you can be an idealist, is such a big privilege

827
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: that people don't realize it. You know, cannot be an idealist.

828
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: I was talking to my friend last night and I

829
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: was like, why are we so cynical? Why are we

830
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: so pragmatic about things? You know? The reason is we

831
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: have so we have seen and lost so much that

832
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 4: for us we have to choose what we believe in,

833
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: what we stick to, and how it's going to work out.

834
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 4: But people who are idealists, I'm like, it must be

835
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: good to be God's favorite, you know, good to be

836
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: born with that passport, or good to be in that

837
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: country where you can say, oh, no, everybody should have that,

838
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: everyone should have that. Yeah, but a lot of sacrifices

839
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: go into everybody having that, you know, everybody getting that,

840
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: and you still lose it. You still lose it. My

841
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: tribe last twenty three hundred men. I'm talking to men

842
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: who went blind. I'm talking to people who lost their

843
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 4: limbs who I'm talking to women who lost their husbands.

844
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: I'm talking to kids who lost their fathers and yet

845
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: they live in a country where you can't go to school,

846
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: you can't go to work, you can't talk to other women.

847
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: Right now. I mean you saw the recent the decree

848
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: that they passed, so imagine, imagine like sacrificing so much

849
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: and still not getting to be that idealist. It's such

850
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: a privilege, you know.

851
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: The video that always sticks with me is is I

852
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: saw a video a few years back where the Taliban

853
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: came in and found out that there was a teacher

854
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: teaching the young girls, and I was like, I don't

855
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't even I can't even imagine, you know, And

856
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: they took the teacher in front of the children and

857
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: just put it in a right there, and I was

858
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, just to show like you're not going

859
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: to learn, and she's gone.

860
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. It's like that I had. I had five

861
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: co workers arrested.

862
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: Hurts me. Hurts me. It hurts me.

863
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to cry, and it's it's so sad. Five

864
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: coworkers are of my nan arrestage. Two of them are released,

865
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: three are still in custody. And the funny thing is

866
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: that you know that even in Hillman. Hillman, a southern

867
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: province that was known in the past two in the past,

868
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: it's known to be like, oh, this strong hold of

869
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: Tolobon and it's like became this demon exist. And I say,

870
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: even in that province, people would be so against you

871
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: if you say that, Oh, they were teaching, and that's

872
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: why we arrested them. So do you know what they

873
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: came up with? They're becoming so innovative. They're like, oh,

874
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 4: these people are preaching Christianity. And I was like, who

875
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: in their right mind would be preaching Christianity in a

876
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Taliban controlled country? Like how stupid are you? How stupid

877
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: are you? Know?

878
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: Yes? Right?

879
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: But that they're becoming so innovative in their claims because

880
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: they know that even in people in the rural regions,

881
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: people who have never been to school, would not even

882
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: oppose education, groose education. So now they're like preaching Christianity

883
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: and like, nobody stupid, nobody is stupid to do that.

884
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: So how do you find that?

885
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, how how do you justify you know, they're

886
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: teaching as for apple, d is for dude.

887
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, you know, and I don't know. I'm so sorry.

888
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: That's all I got, you know on that aspect is

889
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: as someone here who lives in Utah of the US.

890
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, me too, me too.

891
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's a weird time.

892
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: Because we women are the most powerful people in the world.

893
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Why are we not acknowledging that. You know, there's nowhere

894
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: in me that I could pull another human out of.

895
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Yes I can't.

896
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: Yes, you can't.

897
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: That's the most powerful thing in the like to create.

898
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, and the ability or the

899
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: option to maybe be able to do that, that's not me.

900
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: I'm not even needed. Yes, there's just one part of

901
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: me that's only needed for that. There was.

902
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: I was doing research on this, and you know, the

903
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: main I think X Y chromosomes like men will go

904
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: extinct in the next four thousand years. I was doing

905
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: study on it, but women will get to live, you know.

906
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: And I was like, m interesting, interesting seeing four years.

907
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I was like, oh, maybe my descentants have

908
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: to live that long to get to live in a Honistan,

909
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: you know, right.

910
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: Oh right, Like you know, do I just have to

911
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: keep the fight, you're now, they're gonna be like my

912
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: ancestor from four thousand years ago didn't give up, So

913
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: I can't give up.

914
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: Because here's the thing. So Princess Roshana. He was the

915
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: wife of Alexander the Great, and she was an Aphon.

916
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: She was the princess of Bactria. And do you know

917
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: here's the funny thing. She was three thousand years ago.

918
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: So Alexander comes in all macho, like, oh I the God,

919
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm son of for God, blah blah blah, and then

920
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: she looks at it and she's like, no, you're not.

921
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: And he's like, how dare you say that? And she's like,

922
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: I can prove it, and he's like, prove it, okay,

923
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: and she bites them. And this is Alexander in a constans.

924
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: So he has been throughout the world. He has conquered

925
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: all the world. He has been around the world. And

926
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: she begged them and he starts bleading and she's like, God,

927
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: doesn't reed sit down, You're not God, yea, and he

928
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: would like shock and he's like, oh my god, this

929
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: is the first smartnest woman that I have met who's

930
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: so smart, who just like be mystified everything about me

931
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 4: like my mother taught me. And he marries her each

932
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: she gives him a son. And this is three thousand

933
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: years ago. So every time somebody's like, oh no, I've

934
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: one woman this send that I'm like, Roshana, Princess Roshana,

935
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: you know. And she her name is like, you know,

936
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 4: implicis it's Roxanne, but she's Roshana. And she did that

937
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 4: three thousand years ago. She did mystified someone who was

938
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: claiming to be God's son, who was the Greek you know,

939
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: the powerful.

940
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: So powerful silk road. Yeah, okay, He's like, bring me

941
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: a silk bandage for my bike, mark, where's that at?

942
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: And I'm marrying her?

943
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he married her because he knew she was

944
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: so smart. He knew that she was the one who

945
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: could he could like, you know, because when soon became

946
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: his last stop, you know, so he's like, you know,

947
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 4: she could be someone, she could be the one.

948
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, yes, love at first bike.

949
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know, I know.

950
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: I named my son Alexander. By the way, my wife

951
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: and I we named him Alexander. In Alexander, my uncle.

952
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: Named no of course, and my uncle named his son Seconda,

953
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: which is our origin of Alexander. So yeah, yeah, Cuba.

954
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Secanda, Yeah, I'm gonna remember that. I'll call my son Secanda.

955
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: Look at me, like what I call him?

956
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: Al Ali Alejandro, which is the Spanish Alexander.

957
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: Oh it is I didn't know Alejandro. Was that Okay?

958
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, yeah, Alejandro. Yeah is how they do Alexander, Alejandro.

959
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. Comment down below. If I

960
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: said that wrong, let me know in the comments. Whoever

961
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: is out there, comment down below.

962
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I.

963
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Dare you and click the subscription button too while you're

964
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: at it.

965
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: But you know, uh, you're too cool.

966
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, You're just like you're still studying, You're you're you're

967
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: super cool, You're very you're very poised. You come across

968
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: with grace and empathy for your for your cause, and

969
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: you know you have someone who helped write.

970
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: This with you, Tomorrow, Bralo. Let's give that a shot

971
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: out right there.

972
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: And so what did tomorrow bring into the book with you?

973
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: I think Tomorrow brought in a lot of patients, a

974
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: lot of her candles because for you, for.

975
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: You to deal with you.

976
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the funny thing, Like I'm a candle maker.

977
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: She was.

978
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: So I was arrested in a neighboring country and they

979
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: arrested me by their intelligence services and they were like,

980
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: oh no, you talk a lot. You are a national

981
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: interest person for us, because you're going to create problems.

982
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: And when they arrested me camera, she just called me.

983
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: And after that, I was like, you know, the State

984
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: Department was trying to get me out and then my

985
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 4: friends got me out. He takes me. She's like, at

986
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 4: some point, you're going to pay for so many candles

987
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: because I have been burning candles left and right for you.

988
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: Yes.

989
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, because it's so funny. Because he

990
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 4: went through hell, I went to want to stand back.

991
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 4: I was in. I was like, all under house arrest,

992
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say. There's so much

993
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 4: that happened that we have written not written in the

994
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: book because it was security issues. I was arrested intelligent

995
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: by the intelligence services in neighboring countries. I was almost

996
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: handed over to the calaban and all of that is happening.

997
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: And she because in her head, she was like, this

998
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 4: kid is going to stay and she is going to

999
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: kill herself. And but when I came out and I

1000
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: and I was talking to her, and one day I

1001
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: told her, I was like, oh, I for a minute,

1002
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: I thought I'm going to stay. I won't leave, you know,

1003
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: She's like, I knew that. I knew that you're going

1004
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: to do that, and so throughout that few months she

1005
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: burns so many candles and she's like, well, you owe

1006
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 4: me for that, and like I do. I do. So

1007
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: that's Termera's candle budget that we should be talking about inechnology.

1008
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: But apart from that, I think I owe it to

1009
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: her and I think I have so much respect for

1010
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: her because I would going through so much pain, something

1011
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: very painful. Here's the thing you have to understand. I

1012
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 4: I fell in love with Avganistan because of my father.

1013
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 4: I loved my father so much that for him, the

1014
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: country was so important that it became part of me

1015
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: and my identity. And I always used to say that

1016
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: my father was my first love because I look after

1017
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 4: him so much. And then I worshiped Afghanistan because of him,

1018
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: you know. And I didn't see it as just a country.

1019
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: I didn't see it as just part of my identity.

1020
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: I saw it as my identity. I saw it as like,

1021
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: you know, the mother of everything that I belonged to.

1022
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: So for me, I lose my father, I'm losing a

1023
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 4: lot of grip with my tribe, i lose my country.

1024
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: And this is all in the span of like you know,

1025
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 4: a year and a half this is happening from me

1026
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: twenty twenty to next August twenty twenty one, and I

1027
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: lose everything in the process. And one thing Camera taught

1028
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: me through writing this with her and telling her all

1029
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: of this, that I healed it. You know, I healed

1030
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: the loss of my father where I talked about him,

1031
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 4: I sort of he became immortalized in this book. And

1032
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: even though he's no more, people are going to read

1033
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 4: about him. People are going to know there was another

1034
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: man out there who believed in girl's education, and there

1035
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: were a lot of other men who believed like him,

1036
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: and it's going to show a very different picture of Avonman.

1037
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: So it healed me. The fact that I had the

1038
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: loss of Afghanistan. It healed me too.

1039
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: You a podcast with rad.

1040
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: So I think for me that that that whole process,

1041
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 4: the fact that I confided in someone who didn't know

1042
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: a lot about me, and she wrote about it so beautifully.

1043
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 4: She dedicated her time, her energy, and she did it justice.

1044
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: She presented not only my roots, but my identity, my

1045
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: country in a very different light. She showed that Avan's

1046
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 4: take initiatives, we believe in our country, we love our country.

1047
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 4: It healed me. So I think it's she just didn't

1048
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: try to brook. He almost healed the loss in me.

1049
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: That was so hard. That is so hard, you know.

1050
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I'm talking to your dad

1051
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1052
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: I have internalized him, So is that right?

1053
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: I have not met him, but I feel like I'm

1054
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: eating him. Okay.

1055
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: So I'm very honored that I get to talk through

1056
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 2: you and hear some of his knowledge or anything that

1057
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: he instilled in you.

1058
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1059
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big daddy's boy too, So it's like,

1060
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry about it.

1061
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, thank you, thank you.

1062
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcome.

1063
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, girls have power and uh like

1064
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: the powerpuff Girls. Come on, you know what they were

1065
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: called before? They were called the kick Ass Girls. No ya,

1066
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: So they changed the name to powerpuff Girls so it'd

1067
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: be more cartoon okay for the Yeah, but it was

1068
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: called the kick Ass Oh.

1069
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: I love that. I love that.

1070
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1071
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: So I'm Buttercup. I'm Buttercup. My sister is Bubbles, and

1072
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: my brother is Blossom. We call him Blossom.

1073
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: That's so funny. That's so funny. We all love the

1074
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: power Pup Girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for listening to me

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Speaker 4: and interviewing me and calling me in on this. I

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Speaker 4: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Dad, well, thanks for having thanks for reaching

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Speaker 2: out to be on the show.

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Speaker 3: And you're and Anne is wonderful. Let's give her a

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Speaker 3: shout out.

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Speaker 2: And anytime you want to have Pashtana on the show,

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Speaker 2: please you're honestly, you're welcome on the show anytime if

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Speaker 2: you have something some updates, or you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about education in Afghanistan for women that are going to change,

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Speaker 2: or any if you want to help make change, and

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Speaker 2: I can help be any type of a conduit.

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Speaker 3: For you through the con that is your father.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you thank you, and I know that I've

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Speaker 2: had you for about an hour. We keep talking about

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Speaker 2: You're awesome and I hope you enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 2: your day today. And before we let you go, I

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Speaker 2: just want to say my life in Afghanistan fighting to

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Speaker 2: educate women, it's it's already out. You can go buy

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Speaker 2: this book right now and it's Last to Eat, Last

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Speaker 2: to Learn with Pashtana Dorani and tomorrow Bralo and a

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Speaker 2: shout out to your homie who you played with that

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Speaker 2: lost his vision from playing, from doing what he was

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Speaker 2: trying to do the right thing to defuse a landmine

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Speaker 2: from someone else. And and I want to give him

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Speaker 2: a shout out so if he ever hears this, he

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Speaker 2: knows that he's loved and he's revered, and he's your homie,

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Speaker 2: he's your friend. And that's why you do the things

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Speaker 2: you do for friends. You don't have to see them

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Speaker 2: every single day to still be best friends. And the

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Speaker 2: reason why you want to get him a car or

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Speaker 2: help him out is because your friends. Yes, and that's it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's it. That's all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he hears this, he'll be like, all right, fine, fine,

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Speaker 3: I'll give in. We're friends.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, thank you so much. You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: And to my listener, go check out Last to Eat,

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Speaker 2: Last to Learn, and it's everywhere that books are sold.

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Speaker 2: And make sure you leave a comment where you buy

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Speaker 2: it so that it helps bring it up into the

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Speaker 2: searches and we can get this just put out there everywhere.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for being on softwap dot com.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank my managing my manager, Brandon Webb,

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Speaker 2: who owns the whole thing for putting me in this position.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank Callum, my producer who helps put

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Speaker 2: this all together. And I want to thank you my viewer,

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Speaker 2: my listener and Pashtana. You know you're just awesome. And

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Speaker 2: keep doing what you're doing. Just keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that, keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, take.

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Speaker 3: Care, yes, and on behalf of both of us, I

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Speaker 3: say peace.

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