Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Killer dad Chris Watts murdered not only his two beautiful daughters,
Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste, little cherubs, but also their pregnant moms,
Speaker 2: Sanan Watts, pregnant with their first boy, said to be
Speaker 2: named baby Nico, but in the last days, Shanan's mother
Speaker 2: speaks out, slamming Chris Watts as quote the anti Christ,
Speaker 2: claiming Watts was quote thinking with his manhood his penis.
Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. After Chris Watts strangles
Speaker 2: his pregnant wife Shanan and suffocates their two little girls,
Speaker 2: his former mother in law speaks out, quote, we truly
Speaker 2: believe he is the Anti Christ.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 2: No man, no gentleman, would take his chillildren's lives and
Speaker 2: disintegrate their bodies in oil and gasoline, the grandma speaking out.
Speaker 2: Now as a trove of disturbing murder scene photographs is released,
Speaker 2: Remember he asked his lawyers to hide the photos from
Speaker 2: the public. What happened the night Shenan was murdered. She's dead,
Speaker 2: The two children are dead, The two little girls are dead.
Speaker 3: The unborn baby, of course, is dead.
Speaker 2: I want you to hear the husband as he begs
Speaker 2: for help.
Speaker 3: I just want them back.
Speaker 4: I just I just want them to come back. And
Speaker 4: if if they're not safe right now, that's what's that's
Speaker 4: what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe, they'll
Speaker 4: come back. But if they're not, this this, this has
Speaker 4: got to stop. Like somebody has to.
Speaker 2: Come forward, somebody come forward. The begging for help at
Speaker 2: that point, trying to find his wife.
Speaker 3: She's gorgeous, million.
Speaker 2: Dollar smile, long brunette hair, Shannon Watts. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: a photo of her right now with her two daughters,
Speaker 2: Celeste just three years old, Bella just four. They have
Speaker 2: just been located. Their remains have been located. That is
Speaker 2: straight out to Ellen Calaurin joining us with Crime online
Speaker 2: dot Com. Ellen, I want to start at the beginning
Speaker 2: as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.
Speaker 3: I want to start with that.
Speaker 5: Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss
Speaker 5: patches through multi level marketing company.
Speaker 2: Did you say weight loss packets or weight loss patches?
Speaker 5: I believe it's patches, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I'm looking at a picture of her ek and
Speaker 2: she's got she's sporting a patch that's like she's kind
Speaker 2: of almost showing it off or really not trying not.
Speaker 2: You know when people have those nicotine patches, they'll put
Speaker 2: them under their sleeve or something. This is a little
Speaker 2: knee patch she has, like just underneath her collarbone. And
Speaker 2: when I first thought, I'm like, what is that? Then
Speaker 2: I figured out that must be one of those weight
Speaker 2: loss patches. It was wildly successful, Ekae. She was traveling
Speaker 2: all over the world really pushing it. But that's about
Speaker 2: all I know about it is you start at the beginning.
Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, she had been having a lot of success,
Speaker 5: and part of what a multi level marketing job is
Speaker 5: recruiting more salespeople. So she was posting on Facebook all
Speaker 5: the time showing how well she was doing. She was
Speaker 5: getting a car allowance, so she's got a Lexus. She's
Speaker 5: going on work funtter vacations all the time. She's working
Speaker 5: really hard, but she's also having the time of her life.
Speaker 5: And up this with what we later learned that the
Speaker 5: family had that had financial trouble and they had filed
Speaker 5: for bankruptcy in two thousand and five, and Chris had
Speaker 5: reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were thinking
Speaker 5: about selling the whole.
Speaker 3: Uh oh.
Speaker 2: Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire
Speaker 2: life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,
Speaker 2: and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,
Speaker 2: he's been working too, so they fall on hard times
Speaker 2: and they have to get out from under staggering debt
Speaker 2: by filing bankruptcy. She manages to land a job at
Speaker 2: about eighty thousand dollars a year, but part of that
Speaker 2: job is having to travel away from her children, which
Speaker 2: she hated. She would leave for work and I believe
Speaker 2: this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars job, she had a lot of trips to Mexico.
Speaker 3: And Dominican Republic.
Speaker 2: Her work often took her away from home and that
Speaker 2: leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two
Speaker 2: little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they
Speaker 2: are looking forward to the birth of the first boy
Speaker 2: in the family. Also with me renowned pathologist and medical examiner,
Speaker 2: doctor Michelle Dupree and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
Speaker 2: of Forensics Jacksonville University and author of blood beneath my.
Speaker 3: Feet to you, Ellen Kilaurn.
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed realtors, Okay, realtors always have beautiful cars.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced they're all least by the way.
Speaker 2: Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's
Speaker 2: part of the image they need to project. But it's
Speaker 2: a facade that they need to present. This mom got
Speaker 2: this job and had to present this facade exactly.
Speaker 5: It's part of the job to make it. It's part
Speaker 5: of the presentation, to make the whole experience seem like
Speaker 5: something that you want to participate in. Her job isn't
Speaker 5: just selling the weight loss patches. It's also selling other
Speaker 5: people taking the kind of job that she has. She's
Speaker 5: recruiting as well, so she has to protect project an
Speaker 5: image that makes us look very, very entasting.
Speaker 3: I'm taking a look right now.
Speaker 2: I know it's one of her posts, says quote, did
Speaker 2: you know Lavelle gives an eight hundred dollars a month
Speaker 2: car bonus for hitting only the second rank in the company.
Speaker 2: How amazing is that she just wrote that in the
Speaker 2: last month. Hey, you know what, I think, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go do it? Eight hundred dollars a month for
Speaker 2: a car bonus. Could I get rid of my stinky
Speaker 2: mini van Ellen?
Speaker 3: So I think you could. So I want to get
Speaker 3: back to the mom missing.
Speaker 2: So she starts this job, and even amidst the new
Speaker 2: job where she's really having to work and travel out
Speaker 2: of town away from her two kids, they still are
Speaker 2: considering selling the house.
Speaker 3: Ellen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that a neighbor told a reporter that just week
Speaker 5: that Chris had kind of off handedly mentioned that they
Speaker 5: were considering selling the house. So it's really hard to
Speaker 5: say what their financial situation was like. It seems like
Speaker 5: obviously there had been some trouble in the past, but
Speaker 5: after they filed for bankercip is when Shannan got this job,
Speaker 5: and also Chris had been working at the petroleum company.
Speaker 5: So they're both working, but it's hard. They've got two children,
Speaker 5: they've got another on the way. That's a lot of
Speaker 5: financial pressure. It's hard to know how easily they really
Speaker 5: were making envy because, like you said, a big part
Speaker 5: of Shannan's job was making the job look really really
Speaker 5: attractive to other people.
Speaker 3: All we know is that, well, what was his job?
Speaker 3: What was his job? Christopher Watts's job, as.
Speaker 5: He worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there
Speaker 5: since at least twenty fifteen. It's not clear exactly what
Speaker 5: his job was.
Speaker 2: I want to get back to her going missing Ellen,
Speaker 2: When did that happen?
Speaker 3: Give me the timeline she had.
Speaker 5: Just gotten back to me yet another work trip on
Speaker 5: early in our Monday morning.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I want to clear something up.
Speaker 2: I want to clear something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,
Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if you have.
Speaker 2: To travel for work, doctor Michelle dupri But it sounds
Speaker 2: so glamorous. It is not glamorous, like this woman went
Speaker 2: to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta Kinda, Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega,
Speaker 2: San Diego. When you travel for work, doctor Michelle Dupree,
Speaker 2: it is not glamorous. I typically get off of a plane,
Speaker 2: I go straight to the worksite, dragging my beat up
Speaker 2: suitcase behind me, and I get there.
Speaker 3: I work. I work late.
Speaker 2: Because I want to hurry and work as lady as
Speaker 2: I can so I can get back earlier.
Speaker 3: End up spending the night in the hotel.
Speaker 2: Grab something on the way and then I get up
Speaker 2: as quickly as I can, sometimes at three or four
Speaker 2: in the morning, to get to the airport to get
Speaker 2: back home.
Speaker 3: That's not glamorous. Dr Sheldy, Pray, you're exactly.
Speaker 6: Right, Nancy.
Speaker 7: It is not very tiring, and you are worn out
Speaker 7: by the time you can hunt.
Speaker 3: So tell me this.
Speaker 2: She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 5: She gets back late early in the hours of Monday morning,
Speaker 5: he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay
Speaker 5: up together for three or four hours talking and he
Speaker 5: admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going
Speaker 5: to be a really big question in this case. What
Speaker 5: was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation. Well,
Speaker 5: because she wasn't seen again after that, Well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, when one partner travels a lot. To Doctor Judith, Joseph,
Speaker 2: renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's very hard. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, Doctor Judith, when my husband traveled constantly,
Speaker 2: he would leave on Sunday night and get back if
Speaker 2: I was lucky, on Friday night. Our entire relationship when
Speaker 2: we had the twins, I said, listen, son's got to
Speaker 2: give I cannot work and be on call for crime
Speaker 2: related stories twenty four seven, three sixty five.
Speaker 3: And you be gone.
Speaker 2: It's just it's well, you know what, he started his
Speaker 2: own business so he could name his own hours. But
Speaker 2: doctor Juth, not everybody is that fortunate to be able
Speaker 2: to just go run out and start your own business.
Speaker 3: And it's hard when one.
Speaker 2: That's very stressful on a family with two toughts and
Speaker 2: another on the way, for one parent to be gone.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 2: I guess they did have an emotional conversation.
Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard
Speaker 8: on anyone to even people who don't have children. Stuff
Speaker 8: us on depression, anxiety, sweep disorders related to extensive traveling.
Speaker 8: And so then when you put that stress into the
Speaker 8: mix with two young children, a husband who's sharing the
Speaker 8: brunt of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,
Speaker 8: some parts of this country are still very very traditional,
Speaker 8: it's not common for the mother to leave the home,
Speaker 8: and so a lot there probably were a lot of
Speaker 8: feelings there, and you know, sometimes people become up in
Speaker 8: the community about about this, and so I'm not sure
Speaker 8: what was happening with this them in particular.
Speaker 3: However, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8: Travel is stressful, and when one parent has to stay
Speaker 8: behind and one partner has to be behind, sometimes the
Speaker 8: imagination goes wild in their accusations of jealousy and infidelity.
Speaker 8: And we don't know what was happening in this family.
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Speaker 3: You are listening to crime stories with Nancy Grace. What
Speaker 3: happened to Shannon Watts?
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Speaker 4: Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms
Speaker 4: around the nation, so you're supposed to get home like
Speaker 4: elevench got home at like one forty eight. If you
Speaker 4: came home from an airport two am and I left
Speaker 4: around five point fifteen. She's still here, and like about
Speaker 4: twelve ten in that afternoon and her friend Nicole showed
Speaker 4: up at the door. Like I had texted Shan a
Speaker 4: few times that day, called her say you know, but
Speaker 4: she never got back to me. But she wasn't get
Speaker 4: back to any of her people as well. And that's
Speaker 4: what really concerned a lot of people, is like she's
Speaker 4: not getting back to her but like she doesn't get
Speaker 4: back to me, that's fine, Like she gets busied during
Speaker 4: the day, but she gets back to her people, which
Speaker 4: was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she was
Speaker 4: at the door, and that's when I came home and
Speaker 4: then walked in the house and nothing vanished. Nothing was here.
Speaker 4: I mean, she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here,
Speaker 4: nobody was here.
Speaker 2: We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.
Speaker 2: Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and
Speaker 2: Celeste little Toss.
Speaker 3: And to top it all off, Shannon is pregnant.
Speaker 2: I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics.
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 2: Was from the New England Journal of Medicine that the
Speaker 2: number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in the
Speaker 2: US is homicide. The number one cause of death. It's
Speaker 2: not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's not anything you
Speaker 2: may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing, joining me, doctor
Speaker 2: Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan daughtered you, Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.
Speaker 2: So Ellen, she goes missing. We just heard the husband,
Speaker 2: Christopher Watts, begging for help to try to find her.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking this though, it's not like she would run
Speaker 2: away with another man and bring the two little girls,
Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste with her. Also, she came home that night,
Speaker 2: she got home from out of town. She has this discussion,
Speaker 2: probably related to the out of town trips she had
Speaker 2: to take, and then the husband is her work at
Speaker 2: five am. She's alive and well. Then, so how does
Speaker 2: she turn up dead?
Speaker 3: And where Ellen?
Speaker 5: I have a lot of questions about that segment of
Speaker 5: the interview that we just heard. I'm curious why that
Speaker 5: friend went to the home in the first place. Why
Speaker 5: would she just go over there. I'm wondering if maybe
Speaker 5: there was a sense among friend some of her friends
Speaker 5: that Shannon Shannan was in distress, and as far as
Speaker 5: I know, there were not any accusations of infidelity on
Speaker 5: her part. But apparently she did mention to a friend
Speaker 5: at one point that she was wondering if maybe her
Speaker 5: husband was being unfaithful.
Speaker 3: A cheater a murderer does not make.
Speaker 2: But I can tell you this, when you have a
Speaker 2: happy family and a happy marriage, the husband's not waiting
Speaker 2: in the shadows to push the wife over a cliff.
Speaker 3: I know that much.
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: As Shenan's mother speaks out calling Chris Wants the Antichrist,
Speaker 2: claiming he thought only with his penis. Photo have been released,
Speaker 2: including one of a large plastic doll covered from head
Speaker 2: to ankle in a blanket that Chris Watts sent to
Speaker 2: then living wife Shanan just before he murdered her, suggesting
Speaker 2: a dead body. Her mom says, quote, he was foretelling
Speaker 2: her future. That's what he was doing because grand my
Speaker 2: granddaughters would never cover their dolls faces. We knew Chris
Speaker 2: did this. Another photo shows the bloodied sheet Watts used
Speaker 2: to wrap Chanan's body transporting her and his two children
Speaker 2: to a very remote petroleum work site after murdering them
Speaker 2: after murdering her No wonder her mother calls him the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: With facts like these, who wouldn't problems allegedly servicing just
Speaker 2: in the past two months because a coworker of Shannon's
Speaker 2: mom said they may have been headed for divorce right
Speaker 2: when they're turning the corner. Doctor Judith Joseph, New York
Speaker 2: Psychiatrists joining us. They yes, they went bankrupt in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis
Speaker 2: automobile thanks to her new job. It took out of
Speaker 2: town a lot, and then problems began to surface at
Speaker 2: home and looks like they're turning the corner on all
Speaker 2: their financial problems when she goes missing.
Speaker 8: Judith, well, yeah, I think that that's the statistics that
Speaker 8: you mentioned about pregnant women and homicide being at you want.
Speaker 8: Cause of death is so significant, and people don't realize
Speaker 8: this that partners people who are not pregnant husbands, they
Speaker 8: also experienced postpart and depression and stressed and it's not
Speaker 8: the same cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot of
Speaker 8: transitions that people have to see when they're having multiple children.
Speaker 8: And you add the stress of finances, you add aertal
Speaker 8: pressure and maybe a third party or someone who's engaging
Speaker 8: in adultry, and then people explode. And I don't know
Speaker 8: this family in particular. I haven't treated any of them. However,
Speaker 8: it sounds like they were trying to create this facade
Speaker 8: disappearance that things were okay, and clearly things were not okay.
Speaker 2: Well another thing, don't you the Joseph As to Joseph,
Speaker 2: everybody has those problems.
Speaker 3: Everybody that is.
Speaker 2: Married with the family will have children to take care of, jobs,
Speaker 2: financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having
Speaker 2: a sex relationship with anybody else.
Speaker 3: So why does she go missing?
Speaker 2: And what does all of that have to do with
Speaker 2: her body being discovered?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: I can tell you this much.
Speaker 2: To Scott Morgan and Alan Duke in La Jackie Howard
Speaker 2: here in the studio, Jackie's shaking her head yes to this, Alan, Joseph,
Speaker 2: I thought of you, Joe, Scott. I'm sorry, but I
Speaker 2: just don't think men do as well as good a
Speaker 2: job as women do raising children. Because every time I
Speaker 2: have to go out of town, I start getting emails
Speaker 2: from the children's teachers.
Speaker 3: They don't have their gym clothes, this and that. They
Speaker 3: didn't bring this, They didn't bring that.
Speaker 2: I find out they go to school with nothing but
Speaker 2: mini muffs in their stomach.
Speaker 3: You know where those come from, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2: They come off the shelf, out of a plastic package. True,
Speaker 2: they're good, they're intimates. I didn't get paid for that.
Speaker 2: Those little bee chocolate chip and those are treats they
Speaker 2: have after dinner.
Speaker 3: If they're awesome.
Speaker 2: That's what John David might get if I can drag
Speaker 2: them off fortnite or as we call it, fortnite. Anyway,
Speaker 2: long story short, that's such a treat that's not breakfast.
Speaker 3: And I find out I come home their toothbrushes are
Speaker 3: bone dry.
Speaker 2: They I've even put them in a different places in
Speaker 2: the bathroom so I can tell if they have been
Speaker 2: used one time since I have been gone.
Speaker 3: The cat starving crying, the.
Speaker 2: Dogs laying in the driveway starved.
Speaker 3: The guinea pigs are beat beat beeping.
Speaker 2: Everybody's starved. The place is a wrecked No, Joe Scott,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I just don't think men do as well
Speaker 2: a good of his job as women. And here he
Speaker 2: is taking care of these two children.
Speaker 10: Hey, I gotta, I gotta stand in proxy.
Speaker 3: Your wife is listening, just so you know.
Speaker 10: I know, I know, I gotta. I gotta stand in
Speaker 10: proxy for your husband. Here, take it easy on us.
Speaker 10: We bruised. Really.
Speaker 3: You know what he said.
Speaker 2: You know what he said when I confront him with
Speaker 2: two starving, screaming guinea pigs. You know what he says
Speaker 2: about the children. I say, why didn't the children have
Speaker 2: their gym clothes? He goes, They're alive.
Speaker 3: They're alive. They got in school and they're alive. That's
Speaker 3: all you've got to say.
Speaker 2: And he goes, yes, And I go, you should have
Speaker 2: exercised your right to remain silent. You should have just
Speaker 2: stayed quiet on that.
Speaker 3: Okay. Anyway, my point is he's got these two children.
Speaker 2: So, Ellen, how does it go from him taking care
Speaker 2: of the children and now she's dead and goes missing?
Speaker 3: Ellen, come on fast forward.
Speaker 5: Ellen, We don't know exactly what happened. Police aren't revealing
Speaker 5: anything about the presumed causes of death.
Speaker 8: All we know is that.
Speaker 5: This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.
Speaker 5: He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is
Speaker 5: having a lot of success. They have another baby.
Speaker 8: On the way.
Speaker 5: He could have been under a lot of stress and
Speaker 5: he may have felt that his role had been diminished
Speaker 5: in the family.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his
Speaker 2: male ego. Ellen, She's dead, and now let me just
Speaker 2: Q and A with myself here.
Speaker 3: Isn't it true? Cops believes she was killed in her
Speaker 3: home and then her.
Speaker 2: Body moved to and a Darko oil and gas drilling properties.
Speaker 3: Who worked there?
Speaker 2: May I ask you that, Ellen, who do we know
Speaker 2: work at Anadarko Oil and Gas drilling Name one person,
Speaker 2: Chris Watt.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Michelle Dupree helped me
Speaker 2: out here. Pathologists, medical examiner. Doctor Dupree, you know what
Speaker 2: you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very
Speaker 2: often will do it or dispose of the body in
Speaker 2: a place they are familiar. And I always point to
Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San
Speaker 2: Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, He golfs and
Speaker 2: he cheats. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. It's
Speaker 2: like rents and repeat on the back of your shampoo.
Speaker 2: He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy
Speaker 2: his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor in San Francisco baby,
Speaker 2: because he's comfy there, he goes and dumps the bodies there,
Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.
Speaker 7: Exactly, you really do? We love it when they're dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And here we've got in a Darco Oil and Gas
Speaker 2: drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts works.
Speaker 2: And when I come and Joe Scott Morgan, I need
Speaker 2: expertise from you regarding how they might know the mom
Speaker 2: and the two little girls were murdered in their own home.
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Speaker 4: I called her a three, texted her about their times,
Speaker 4: just to say, you know, what's going on? Like I
Speaker 4: didn't I her that for that for the after I
Speaker 4: called her and texted her once, It's like maybe she
Speaker 4: was just busy, like just gotten back, you know, like
Speaker 4: everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got
Speaker 4: back from Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.
Speaker 4: But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like.
Speaker 4: It registered like, all right, this isn't right right now.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
Speaker 4: Like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
Speaker 4: with the kids, But I mean, could she event could
Speaker 4: she just taken off?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like
Speaker 4: I want them back now like that, that's what's in
Speaker 4: my head. Like if they're safe right now, they're gonna
Speaker 4: come back. But if they're not safe right now, that's
Speaker 4: what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're not safe.
Speaker 4: Last night, I was had everybody in the house on
Speaker 4: I was hoping that I would just get just ran
Speaker 4: over by the kids running in the door, just like
Speaker 4: Beryl rushing me. But it didn't happen, and it was
Speaker 4: just a traumatic night trying to be here.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you're hearing the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for
Speaker 2: the public's help. I gotta tell you something to forensics expert,
Speaker 2: Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author
Speaker 2: of Blood Beneath My Feet, you know, with a title
Speaker 2: like that, I just want to read it right now.
Speaker 3: Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Joe Scott, how do they where do you believe
Speaker 2: they're getting the evidence to support the theory that mommy
Speaker 2: and the two little girls were killed in the home
Speaker 2: and then their bodies moved to this obscure drilling location.
Speaker 10: Two the things that we look for, Nancy, are going
Speaker 10: to be, and this is generally blanket statements that you'll
Speaker 10: see in a death investigation report, evidence of forced entry, struggle.
Speaker 10: And also is there any evidence of physical evidence that's
Speaker 10: left behind relative to things like blood evidence. The police
Speaker 10: are keeping a very tight lid on this as far
Speaker 10: as what they're releasing to this point, and I plaud
Speaker 10: them for that, But if you were, if I were
Speaker 10: to speculate at this point, it would be something like
Speaker 10: blood evidence and the point of origin of this. How
Speaker 10: did we come to this point where blood would be distributed,
Speaker 10: for instance, in a house? Was there was it evidence
Speaker 10: that they were killed in one spot and then the bodies.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, says Scott Morgan, it could be cybers hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on getting a call from Atlanta. Ray in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: what's your tip questioner theory.
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, Nancy, you have got to stop immediately blaming
Speaker 6: the husband on these things. Now you look We've debated
Speaker 6: this for years. First of all, you need.
Speaker 3: To be at work and not listening to the radio
Speaker 3: number one.
Speaker 6: But go ahead, well because you get me and I'm
Speaker 6: aggravated and that's why I'm doing this.
Speaker 7: Now. Listen.
Speaker 6: One thing that it does do, and I think you
Speaker 6: will agree with this in your many years of experience,
Speaker 6: when the focus is on whom almost everybody assumes, it
Speaker 6: harms law enforcement. Let me tell you why. Law enforcement
Speaker 6: in some of these cases just wants to sit back
Speaker 6: and lit the In some cases, the husband or the
Speaker 6: part here act.
Speaker 3: The fool, go to the funeral, make.
Speaker 6: The statement, try to cover up evidence, and it just
Speaker 6: makes a better case for law enforcement. Additionally, for US
Speaker 6: criminal defense lawyers, if the immediate and full focus is
Speaker 6: on this number one suspect, it gives us some play
Speaker 6: in the defense, like, hey, law enforcement, you never even
Speaker 6: looked at the gardener or the guy that you had
Speaker 6: an argument with last week, or this guy that's been
Speaker 6: flirting with her online. You went right to my client.
Speaker 2: No holds barred.
Speaker 6: So again, the initial focus on someone who was presumed
Speaker 6: innocent till proven guilty has some flaws in the prosecution
Speaker 6: of the case.
Speaker 2: You know, Ray, don't you need to be somewhere right now,
Speaker 2: like in court or at your office, or with your
Speaker 2: feet kicked up, smoking your cigar, catching that fat paycheck
Speaker 2: you get from that law firm. You know, Ray, it's
Speaker 2: not just me claiming the husband did it.
Speaker 3: Didn't You used to be a.
Speaker 2: Long time ago before you went to the dark side.
Speaker 2: Didn't you used to be a prosecutor?
Speaker 3: Do I have that wrong yet?
Speaker 6: But then I saw the light.
Speaker 3: Then you saw the paycheck. You saw the paycheck. Rage
Speaker 3: you to Shae, That's what happened with you.
Speaker 6: You're always waving that little pocket copy of the Constitution around.
Speaker 6: The difference is I read it okay, and these folks
Speaker 6: are entitled to the presumption of innocence.
Speaker 2: Oh, now, I know you're in trouble when you start
Speaker 2: dragging the presumption of innocence out of the moth balls.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not just blaming him because he's the husband.
Speaker 3: I'm blaming him because he's the last one with her
Speaker 3: at two a m.
Speaker 2: When she gets out of town because she has to
Speaker 2: go out of town to work and make a living
Speaker 2: to support the family. She's got two little babies at home,
Speaker 2: two little girls, Bella and Celeste, and she's pregnant. This
Speaker 2: woman is not just gonna run out to meet some
Speaker 2: other man. Plus it's two o'clock in the morning. He's
Speaker 2: there until five am when he goes to work at
Speaker 2: some oil and a dark oil and drilling company. And
Speaker 2: guess for her body has just been found rayed? You
Speaker 2: to say guess.
Speaker 6: And I've been following the story, and so I agree
Speaker 6: with you.
Speaker 2: On a property where the husband's business does drilling.
Speaker 6: It certainly would make him a person of interest. It
Speaker 6: would certainly make him a person at law enforce it
Speaker 6: wants to speak with thoroughly. Do his timeline Arrens may
Speaker 6: lead to they but that information. Listen, you remember Richard Jewel,
Speaker 6: the alleged Olympics bomber cover of Time magazine as the
Speaker 6: the you know, the evil guy, wrong, wrong man.
Speaker 2: You had to dig deep, didn't You had to go
Speaker 2: all the way back to the what was that the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six Olympics to find an example of somebody
Speaker 2: that was charged.
Speaker 3: It was that's digging deep.
Speaker 1: Ray Well, I was.
Speaker 6: I was trying to find something from your elementary scho
Speaker 6: days that you would remember back in school.
Speaker 9: And here I.
Speaker 2: Believe that was about the second grade when that happened.
Speaker 2: So bottom line, what's your advice check? So you're arguing
Speaker 2: against he's the last person with her. I guess you
Speaker 2: want to drag out his last statement that he made,
Speaker 2: his public statement I love the baby. Already looking at
Speaker 2: the little baby boys sonogram. Now you know, Ray, there's
Speaker 2: an unborn baby. There's Celeste Abela.
Speaker 3: Now you know what.
Speaker 6: If you if he was my client, he would be
Speaker 6: duct taped in a closet in my law office and
Speaker 6: not making these kind of statements. Look, I agree with you. Uh,
Speaker 6: this is a guy that law enforcement should absolutely focus on,
Speaker 6: but build their case slowly and steadily. You know, there's
Speaker 6: there's a timeline, there's physical evidence, and you know also
Speaker 6: nowadays there are so many cameras, so many ways to
Speaker 6: track vehicles. I mean, I just was involved in a
Speaker 6: case where we were able to clear my client through
Speaker 6: an alibi that he wasn't at the scene of a
Speaker 6: crime from an ATM camera on the other side of
Speaker 6: town where he actually was using the ATM to withdraw
Speaker 6: some money, And so we had a timestamp, We had
Speaker 6: video of him putting in his card and getting his
Speaker 6: two hundred dollars at the same time, it was alleged
Speaker 6: he was Crosstown and if you know Atlanta, getting cross
Speaker 6: town ain't easy. So there are so many ways to
Speaker 6: track this the murderer, whoever it may be. I would
Speaker 6: bet you there's security cameras around this oil refinery. Those
Speaker 6: are places nowadays that are high security because of terrorist
Speaker 6: risks and other things. Cell phones can be tracked to
Speaker 6: the cell towers. I think I just saw something on
Speaker 6: the news the other day that Google has the tracking
Speaker 6: system that they haven't told us about that we all
Speaker 6: have in our phone.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm so not concerned about Google tractic.
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: The photos just released show the clothing Shanan was wearing
Speaker 2: when her body was dumped, a filthy shirt, her bra,
Speaker 2: her underwear now behind bars. Watts blames his sex affair
Speaker 2: with Nicole Kessinger, calling her a harlot and an evil woman. Right,
Speaker 2: it's her fault, Watts, give it up. I agree with
Speaker 2: Shenan's mother. You are the Antichrist, and this is why
Speaker 2: take a listen to this.
Speaker 4: Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms
Speaker 4: around the nation, So you're supposed to get home, like eleven,
Speaker 4: She got home at like one forty eight. She came
Speaker 4: home from the airport two am, and I left around
Speaker 4: five point fifteen. She's still here. And like about twelve
Speaker 4: ten in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up at
Speaker 4: the door. Like I had texted a few times, I
Speaker 4: called her, say, you know, but she never got back
Speaker 4: to me. But she doesn't getting back to any of
Speaker 4: her people as well. And that's what really concerned a
Speaker 4: lot of people, is like she's not getting back to
Speaker 4: her Like she doesn't get back to me. That's fine,
Speaker 4: Like she gets busy during the day, but she gets
Speaker 4: back to her people, which was very concerning. And Nicole
Speaker 4: called me when she was out the door, and that's
Speaker 4: when they came home and then walked in the house
Speaker 4: and nothing is vanished.
Speaker 3: Nothing was here.
Speaker 4: I mean, she wasn't she wasn't here, the kids weren't here,
Speaker 4: nobody was here.
Speaker 3: I just want them back, I just I just want
Speaker 3: them to come back.
Speaker 4: And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's
Speaker 4: that's what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe,
Speaker 4: they're come back. But if they're not, this this this
Speaker 4: has got to stop. Like somebody has to come forward.
Speaker 2: You are hearing the sound of husband and father, thirty
Speaker 2: three year old Christopher Watts, begging for the return of
Speaker 2: his wife, Shannon, his two little children, Bella and Celeste,
Speaker 2: and his unborn baby boy. And just before that, he
Speaker 2: he had posted loving messages to wife Shannon when she
Speaker 2: sends him an ultrasound showing the progress of their third baby.
Speaker 2: Quote little peanut, exclamation, exclamation, love her slash hymn already,
Speaker 2: he wrote in response to seeing that ultrasound image. Now
Speaker 2: she the loving wife, shares the exchange on Facebook the
Speaker 2: very same day, quote, I love Chris, He's the best
Speaker 2: dad of us girls could ask for. Right now, that
Speaker 2: husband Christopher Watts under suspicion and the disappearance and death
Speaker 2: of his wife and two children. The police remaining tight
Speaker 2: lip regarding the cause of death, but we are hearing
Speaker 2: from police sources they do believe Shannon and the two
Speaker 2: baby girls were murdered in the home. Their bodies disposed
Speaker 2: of at an obscure drilling location with the oil company
Speaker 2: the dad worked with and a Darco.
Speaker 3: Listen to this.
Speaker 11: At this point, we have been able to recover a
Speaker 11: body that we're quite certain is shanan watch body. We
Speaker 11: have a strong reason to believe that we know where
Speaker 11: the bodies of the children are and recovery efforts are.
Speaker 2: In process on that and in the last hours a
Speaker 2: stunning development in the search and the discovery of those bodies.
Speaker 2: Take a listen to the police Sergeant Ian Albert.
Speaker 3: They're in Frederick, Colorado.
Speaker 12: To give you some background, the Frederick Police Department receives
Speaker 12: a missing person call just excuse me just before two
Speaker 12: pm on Monday, August twenty thirty, twenty eighteen. Our Adiency
Speaker 12: launched investigation, conducting interviews neighborhood chemises in an effort to
Speaker 12: locate Shanan and the two girls, Belle and celest We
Speaker 12: also contacted the FBI and the CBI to assist in
Speaker 12: this case. In addition into providing investigative agents and crime
Speaker 12: scene responders, a missing excuse me, a missing endangered alert
Speaker 12: was announced on Tuesday afternoon. Fredick p D conducted additional
Speaker 12: canvases where flyers featuring Shenan Celestian Bellow were distributed to Revy. Finally,
Speaker 12: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband, Chris Watts,
Speaker 12: was taken into custody and was transported to the wal
Speaker 12: Kenny jail just after three pm last night. He is
Speaker 12: currently scheduled for a bond hearing later today.
Speaker 3: And there you have it.
Speaker 2: The husband has just been for arrested. There will be
Speaker 2: a bond hearing regarding this case the wife and the.
Speaker 3: Two little girls.
Speaker 8: Dad.
Speaker 2: I've got a theory, Joe Scott Morgan, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to think about what you and doctor Michelle do pre
Speaker 2: medical examiner, I have to say on this he's alone
Speaker 2: with the girls for several days while mommy's out of
Speaker 2: town working bringing in all the money she comes home.
Speaker 2: Has he already killed the girls? Because if you're having
Speaker 2: an argument with the mom, why kill the children too?
Speaker 2: How would we be able to tell that from the
Speaker 2: crime scene, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 10: What's going to happen, Nancy, is you're going to couple
Speaker 10: the findings at the crime scene relative to these If
Speaker 10: these children had been down for several days, there might
Speaker 10: be evidence to the fact that, as hard as it
Speaker 10: is to say that these kids may have begun to
Speaker 10: decompose in the house at some point in time. And
Speaker 10: then you couple that, you couple that with any kind
Speaker 10: of what to referred to as postmortem changes that have
Speaker 10: taken place in the bodies, and they find them out
Speaker 10: at the scene at this Antadarko refinery or I think
Speaker 10: that it's probably natural gas wellheads. This is a vast
Speaker 10: area that he would have knowledge of, Nancy, and that's
Speaker 10: going to be very important to this case. And so
Speaker 10: this is all going to tie back together with what
Speaker 10: happened in that period of time when she when these
Speaker 10: kids were last seen, and when they were found, coupled
Speaker 10: with the findings on her body, because the two time
Speaker 10: the timelines are not going to be the same, all right,
Speaker 10: Because if she comes home and these kids are missing,
Speaker 10: an argument ensues, maybe he's already gotten rid of the kids,
Speaker 10: maybe he's already killed the kids. At this point, her body,
Speaker 10: for lack of a better term, will be fresher than
Speaker 10: these poor little angels.
Speaker 2: Too, Doctor Michelle Dupre, pathologist and medical examiner. Specifically, how
Speaker 2: would I be able to prove if Watts murdered the
Speaker 2: two children first and then the wife comes home from
Speaker 2: out of town, and how would I be able to
Speaker 2: prove that?
Speaker 3: Or could I?
Speaker 7: Yes, we should be able to creed that. And again,
Speaker 7: as what was just said, we look at the state
Speaker 7: of the body, and by comparison we can tell who
Speaker 7: died earlier than the other by the post mortem changes.
Speaker 7: We also look at the totality of circumstances, and we
Speaker 7: look at the crime scene itself. There may be clues there.
Speaker 7: We can look at blood pooling, we can look at
Speaker 7: different forensic evidence to help us determine those things, and then.
Speaker 3: We put it all together.
Speaker 5: But mostly the key.
Speaker 7: Is going to be looking at both bodies and compare them.
Speaker 2: Christopher Once, the husband, says the last time he saw
Speaker 2: his wife was at five point fifteen a m.
Speaker 3: When he leaves for work.
Speaker 2: He also says the two stayed up late, having an
Speaker 2: emotional conversation after she got home from out of town
Speaker 2: at one a m.
Speaker 3: Late night.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a red I flight back home. He says
Speaker 2: he got worried when she did not reply to a
Speaker 2: text messages that morning, and then he began to panic
Speaker 2: after a friend came to the home around noontime and
Speaker 2: there was no answer. Shanan was fifteen weeks pregnant carrying
Speaker 2: a baby boy who she planned to name Nico at
Speaker 2: this hour. Christopher Watts, a husband, is being held without
Speaker 2: bill in the Will County jail. He's due in court
Speaker 2: for a bond hearing. No formal charges have been filed.
Speaker 2: He was arrested on accounts of murder and three counts
Speaker 2: of tampering with evidence. Ellen Calaura and investigative journalists with
Speaker 2: crime online dot Com. I assume the three tampering cases.
Speaker 3: Deal with moving the bodies.
Speaker 5: That would certainly be the implication. And I'm also seeing,
Speaker 5: and this is really horrible.
Speaker 13: But I'm also seeing that the bodies of the girls,
Speaker 13: presumably the two little girls, were found inside an oil
Speaker 13: container or an oil vat, and I've seen speculation that
Speaker 13: that could have been done intentionally to conceal any smell.
Speaker 3: Oh, Ellen, Ellen, that's a new fact for me.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was trying to put together a
Speaker 2: photo album late last night because I'm so so far behind,
Speaker 2: and then I got to looking at photos, Ellen, and
Speaker 2: then I ended up with the children at ages two
Speaker 2: and three. You know, that's a long time ago, and
Speaker 2: they're so tiny, They're so tiny, And to think of
Speaker 2: those little children down in an oil vat.
Speaker 3: Is that what you said, some type of a vat, Yeah.
Speaker 9: An oil container or an oil vat, yeah, but whatever
Speaker 9: it is filled with oil.
Speaker 2: The CBI Colorado Bureau of Investigation say our has found
Speaker 2: the body of sNaN Watts, three days after she was
Speaker 2: reported missing on property owned by Anadarko Petroleum where the
Speaker 2: husband worked.
Speaker 3: He has since been released from his job.
Speaker 2: At the time they found her body, I recall e
Speaker 2: K that they mentioned something about having strong reason to
Speaker 2: believe they know where the bodies of the two daughters,
Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste are. They didn't find them in the
Speaker 2: same place as the mom Ellen mm hmmm.
Speaker 9: That's right, and we don't know what that means in
Speaker 9: terms of the timeline, but I think that couple that
Speaker 9: that coupled with the fact that he reportedly gave a confession,
Speaker 9: that must have been how they found the bodies.
Speaker 5: It seems to me that that's that he led them.
Speaker 2: And don't worry, he'll find a way to appeal. Just
Speaker 2: give him time, we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace
Speaker 2: Crime Story is signing off p myself.
Speaker 10: Persis