WEBVTT - Killer Dad Chris Watts, the "Antichrist," Thinks w/  His Manhood

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Killer dad Chris Watts murdered not only his two beautiful daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>Bella and Celeste, little cherubs, but also their pregnant moms,

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<v Speaker 2>Sanan Watts, pregnant with their first boy, said to be

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<v Speaker 2>named baby Nico, but in the last days, Shanan's mother

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<v Speaker 2>speaks out, slamming Chris Watts as quote the anti Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>claiming Watts was quote thinking with his manhood his penis.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being with us. After Chris Watts strangles

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<v Speaker 2>his pregnant wife Shanan and suffocates their two little girls,

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<v Speaker 2>his former mother in law speaks out, quote, we truly

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<v Speaker 2>believe he is the Anti Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>Period.

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<v Speaker 2>No man, no gentleman, would take his chillildren's lives and

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<v Speaker 2>disintegrate their bodies in oil and gasoline, the grandma speaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now as a trove of disturbing murder scene photographs is released,

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<v Speaker 2>Remember he asked his lawyers to hide the photos from

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<v Speaker 2>the public. What happened the night Shenan was murdered. She's dead,

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<v Speaker 2>The two children are dead, The two little girls are dead.

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<v Speaker 3>The unborn baby, of course, is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to hear the husband as he begs

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<v Speaker 2>for help.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want them back.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I just want them to come back. And

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<v Speaker 4>if if they're not safe right now, that's what's that's

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<v Speaker 4>what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe, they'll

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<v Speaker 4>come back. But if they're not, this this, this has

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<v Speaker 4>got to stop. Like somebody has to.

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<v Speaker 2>Come forward, somebody come forward. The begging for help at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, trying to find his wife.

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<v Speaker 3>She's gorgeous, million.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollar smile, long brunette hair, Shannon Watts. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of her right now with her two daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>Celeste just three years old, Bella just four. They have

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<v Speaker 2>just been located. Their remains have been located. That is

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<v Speaker 2>straight out to Ellen Calaurin joining us with Crime online

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com. Ellen, I want to start at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss

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<v Speaker 5>patches through multi level marketing company.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you say weight loss packets or weight loss patches?

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<v Speaker 5>I believe it's patches, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm looking at a picture of her ek and

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<v Speaker 2>she's got she's sporting a patch that's like she's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of almost showing it off or really not trying not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when people have those nicotine patches, they'll put

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<v Speaker 2>them under their sleeve or something. This is a little

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<v Speaker 2>knee patch she has, like just underneath her collarbone. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I first thought, I'm like, what is that? Then

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<v Speaker 2>I figured out that must be one of those weight

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<v Speaker 2>loss patches. It was wildly successful, Ekae. She was traveling

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<v Speaker 2>all over the world really pushing it. But that's about

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<v Speaker 2>all I know about it is you start at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So yeah, she had been having a lot of success,

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<v Speaker 5>and part of what a multi level marketing job is

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<v Speaker 5>recruiting more salespeople. So she was posting on Facebook all

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<v Speaker 5>the time showing how well she was doing. She was

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<v Speaker 5>getting a car allowance, so she's got a Lexus. She's

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<v Speaker 5>going on work funtter vacations all the time. She's working

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<v Speaker 5>really hard, but she's also having the time of her life.

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<v Speaker 5>And up this with what we later learned that the

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<v Speaker 5>family had that had financial trouble and they had filed

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<v Speaker 5>for bankruptcy in two thousand and five, and Chris had

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<v Speaker 5>reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were thinking

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<v Speaker 5>about selling the whole.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire

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<v Speaker 2>life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been working too, so they fall on hard times

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<v Speaker 2>and they have to get out from under staggering debt

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<v Speaker 2>by filing bankruptcy. She manages to land a job at

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<v Speaker 2>about eighty thousand dollars a year, but part of that

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<v Speaker 2>job is having to travel away from her children, which

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<v Speaker 2>she hated. She would leave for work and I believe

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<v Speaker 2>this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars job, she had a lot of trips to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>And Dominican Republic.

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<v Speaker 2>Her work often took her away from home and that

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<v Speaker 2>leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two

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<v Speaker 2>little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they

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<v Speaker 2>are looking forward to the birth of the first boy

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<v Speaker 2>in the family. Also with me renowned pathologist and medical examiner,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Michelle Dupree and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor

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<v Speaker 2>of Forensics Jacksonville University and author of blood beneath my.

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<v Speaker 3>Feet to you, Ellen Kilaurn.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever noticed realtors, Okay, realtors always have beautiful cars.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm convinced they're all least by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the image they need to project. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a facade that they need to present. This mom got

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<v Speaker 2>this job and had to present this facade exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>It's part of the job to make it. It's part

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<v Speaker 5>of the presentation, to make the whole experience seem like

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<v Speaker 5>something that you want to participate in. Her job isn't

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<v Speaker 5>just selling the weight loss patches. It's also selling other

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<v Speaker 5>people taking the kind of job that she has. She's

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<v Speaker 5>recruiting as well, so she has to protect project an

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<v Speaker 5>image that makes us look very, very entasting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm taking a look right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's one of her posts, says quote, did

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<v Speaker 2>you know Lavelle gives an eight hundred dollars a month

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<v Speaker 2>car bonus for hitting only the second rank in the company.

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<v Speaker 2>How amazing is that she just wrote that in the

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<v Speaker 2>last month. Hey, you know what, I think, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go do it? Eight hundred dollars a month for

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<v Speaker 2>a car bonus. Could I get rid of my stinky

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<v Speaker 2>mini van Ellen?

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you could. So I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>back to the mom missing.

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<v Speaker 2>So she starts this job, and even amidst the new

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<v Speaker 2>job where she's really having to work and travel out

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<v Speaker 2>of town away from her two kids, they still are

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<v Speaker 2>considering selling the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Ellen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that a neighbor told a reporter that just week

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<v Speaker 5>that Chris had kind of off handedly mentioned that they

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<v Speaker 5>were considering selling the house. So it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 5>say what their financial situation was like. It seems like

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<v Speaker 5>obviously there had been some trouble in the past, but

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<v Speaker 5>after they filed for bankercip is when Shannan got this job,

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<v Speaker 5>and also Chris had been working at the petroleum company.

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<v Speaker 5>So they're both working, but it's hard. They've got two children,

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<v Speaker 5>they've got another on the way. That's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>financial pressure. It's hard to know how easily they really

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<v Speaker 5>were making envy because, like you said, a big part

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<v Speaker 5>of Shannan's job was making the job look really really

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<v Speaker 5>attractive to other people.

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<v Speaker 3>All we know is that, well, what was his job?

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<v Speaker 3>What was his job? Christopher Watts's job, as.

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<v Speaker 5>He worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there

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<v Speaker 5>since at least twenty fifteen. It's not clear exactly what

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<v Speaker 5>his job was.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get back to her going missing Ellen,

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<v Speaker 2>When did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Give me the timeline she had.

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<v Speaker 5>Just gotten back to me yet another work trip on

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<v Speaker 5>early in our Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, I want to clear something up.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to clear something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know if you have.

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<v Speaker 2>To travel for work, doctor Michelle dupri But it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>so glamorous. It is not glamorous, like this woman went

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<v Speaker 2>to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta Kinda, Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega,

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego. When you travel for work, doctor Michelle Dupree,

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<v Speaker 2>it is not glamorous. I typically get off of a plane,

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<v Speaker 2>I go straight to the worksite, dragging my beat up

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<v Speaker 2>suitcase behind me, and I get there.

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<v Speaker 3>I work. I work late.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I want to hurry and work as lady as

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<v Speaker 2>I can so I can get back earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>End up spending the night in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Grab something on the way and then I get up

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<v Speaker 2>as quickly as I can, sometimes at three or four

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, to get to the airport to get

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<v Speaker 2>back home.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not glamorous. Dr Sheldy, Pray, you're exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Nancy.

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<v Speaker 7>It is not very tiring, and you are worn out

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<v Speaker 7>by the time you can hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me this.

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<v Speaker 2>She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and

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<v Speaker 2>what happens.

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<v Speaker 5>She gets back late early in the hours of Monday morning,

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<v Speaker 5>he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay

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<v Speaker 5>up together for three or four hours talking and he

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<v Speaker 5>admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be a really big question in this case. What

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<v Speaker 5>was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>because she wasn't seen again after that, Well, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, when one partner travels a lot. To Doctor Judith, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's very hard. As

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, Doctor Judith, when my husband traveled constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>he would leave on Sunday night and get back if

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<v Speaker 2>I was lucky, on Friday night. Our entire relationship when

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<v Speaker 2>we had the twins, I said, listen, son's got to

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<v Speaker 2>give I cannot work and be on call for crime

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<v Speaker 2>related stories twenty four seven, three sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>And you be gone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's well, you know what, he started his

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<v Speaker 2>own business so he could name his own hours. But

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Juth, not everybody is that fortunate to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to just go run out and start your own business.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's hard when one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very stressful on a family with two toughts and

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<v Speaker 2>another on the way, for one parent to be gone.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they did have an emotional conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard

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<v Speaker 8>on anyone to even people who don't have children. Stuff

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<v Speaker 8>us on depression, anxiety, sweep disorders related to extensive traveling.

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<v Speaker 8>And so then when you put that stress into the

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<v Speaker 8>mix with two young children, a husband who's sharing the

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<v Speaker 8>brunt of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,

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<v Speaker 8>some parts of this country are still very very traditional,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not common for the mother to leave the home,

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<v Speaker 8>and so a lot there probably were a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>feelings there, and you know, sometimes people become up in

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<v Speaker 8>the community about about this, and so I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 8>what was happening with this them in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>However, you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 8>Travel is stressful, and when one parent has to stay

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<v Speaker 8>behind and one partner has to be behind, sometimes the

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<v Speaker 8>imagination goes wild in their accusations of jealousy and infidelity.

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<v Speaker 8>And we don't know what was happening in this family.

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<v Speaker 3>We are taking your calls nine zero nine four nine

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<v Speaker 3>crime nine zero nine four nine two seven four sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>You are listening to crime stories with Nancy Grace. What

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<v Speaker 3>happened to Shannon Watts?

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<v Speaker 3>Rules and restrictions do apply.

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<v Speaker 4>Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms

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<v Speaker 4>around the nation, so you're supposed to get home like

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<v Speaker 4>elevench got home at like one forty eight. If you

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<v Speaker 4>came home from an airport two am and I left

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<v Speaker 4>around five point fifteen. She's still here, and like about

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<v Speaker 4>twelve ten in that afternoon and her friend Nicole showed

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<v Speaker 4>up at the door. Like I had texted Shan a

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<v Speaker 4>few times that day, called her say you know, but

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<v Speaker 4>she never got back to me. But she wasn't get

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<v Speaker 4>back to any of her people as well. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>what really concerned a lot of people, is like she's

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<v Speaker 4>not getting back to her but like she doesn't get

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<v Speaker 4>back to me, that's fine, Like she gets busied during

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<v Speaker 4>the day, but she gets back to her people, which

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<v Speaker 4>was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she was

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<v Speaker 4>at the door, and that's when I came home and

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<v Speaker 4>then walked in the house and nothing vanished. Nothing was here.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here,

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<v Speaker 4>nobody was here.

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<v Speaker 2>We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and

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<v Speaker 2>Celeste little Toss.

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<v Speaker 3>And to top it all off, Shannon is pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was from the New England Journal of Medicine that the

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<v Speaker 2>number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in the

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<v Speaker 2>US is homicide. The number one cause of death. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's not anything you

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<v Speaker 2>may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing, joining me, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan daughtered you, Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ellen, she goes missing. We just heard the husband,

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Watts, begging for help to try to find her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking this though, it's not like she would run

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<v Speaker 2>away with another man and bring the two little girls,

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<v Speaker 2>Bella and Celeste with her. Also, she came home that night,

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<v Speaker 2>she got home from out of town. She has this discussion,

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<v Speaker 2>probably related to the out of town trips she had

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<v Speaker 2>to take, and then the husband is her work at

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<v Speaker 2>five am. She's alive and well. Then, so how does

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<v Speaker 2>she turn up dead?

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<v Speaker 3>And where Ellen?

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<v Speaker 5>I have a lot of questions about that segment of

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<v Speaker 5>the interview that we just heard. I'm curious why that

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<v Speaker 5>friend went to the home in the first place. Why

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<v Speaker 5>would she just go over there. I'm wondering if maybe

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<v Speaker 5>there was a sense among friend some of her friends

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<v Speaker 5>that Shannon Shannan was in distress, and as far as

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<v Speaker 5>I know, there were not any accusations of infidelity on

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<v Speaker 5>her part. But apparently she did mention to a friend

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<v Speaker 5>at one point that she was wondering if maybe her

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<v Speaker 5>husband was being unfaithful.

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<v Speaker 3>A cheater a murderer does not make.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can tell you this, when you have a

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<v Speaker 2>happy family and a happy marriage, the husband's not waiting

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadows to push the wife over a cliff.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 2>As Shenan's mother speaks out calling Chris Wants the Antichrist,

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<v Speaker 2>claiming he thought only with his penis. Photo have been released,

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<v Speaker 2>including one of a large plastic doll covered from head

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<v Speaker 2>to ankle in a blanket that Chris Watts sent to

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<v Speaker 2>then living wife Shanan just before he murdered her, suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>a dead body. Her mom says, quote, he was foretelling

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<v Speaker 2>her future. That's what he was doing because grand my

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<v Speaker 2>granddaughters would never cover their dolls faces. We knew Chris

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<v Speaker 2>did this. Another photo shows the bloodied sheet Watts used

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<v Speaker 2>to wrap Chanan's body transporting her and his two children

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<v Speaker 2>to a very remote petroleum work site after murdering them

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<v Speaker 2>after murdering her No wonder her mother calls him the Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 2>With facts like these, who wouldn't problems allegedly servicing just

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<v Speaker 2>in the past two months because a coworker of Shannon's

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<v Speaker 2>mom said they may have been headed for divorce right

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<v Speaker 2>when they're turning the corner. Doctor Judith Joseph, New York

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<v Speaker 2>Psychiatrists joining us. They yes, they went bankrupt in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis

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<v Speaker 2>automobile thanks to her new job. It took out of

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<v Speaker 2>town a lot, and then problems began to surface at

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<v Speaker 2>home and looks like they're turning the corner on all

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<v Speaker 2>their financial problems when she goes missing.

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<v Speaker 8>Judith, well, yeah, I think that that's the statistics that

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<v Speaker 8>you mentioned about pregnant women and homicide being at you want.

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<v Speaker 8>Cause of death is so significant, and people don't realize

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<v Speaker 8>this that partners people who are not pregnant husbands, they

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<v Speaker 8>also experienced postpart and depression and stressed and it's not

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<v Speaker 8>the same cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>transitions that people have to see when they're having multiple children.

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<v Speaker 8>And you add the stress of finances, you add aertal

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<v Speaker 8>pressure and maybe a third party or someone who's engaging

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<v Speaker 8>in adultry, and then people explode. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 8>this family in particular. I haven't treated any of them. However,

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<v Speaker 8>it sounds like they were trying to create this facade

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<v Speaker 8>disappearance that things were okay, and clearly things were not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well another thing, don't you the Joseph As to Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has those problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Married with the family will have children to take care of, jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having

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<v Speaker 2>a sex relationship with anybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>So why does she go missing?

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<v Speaker 2>And what does all of that have to do with

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<v Speaker 2>her body being discovered?

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<v Speaker 9>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you this much.

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<v Speaker 2>To Scott Morgan and Alan Duke in La Jackie Howard

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<v Speaker 2>here in the studio, Jackie's shaking her head yes to this, Alan, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought of you, Joe, Scott. I'm sorry, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think men do as well as good a

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<v Speaker 2>job as women do raising children. Because every time I

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<v Speaker 2>have to go out of town, I start getting emails

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<v Speaker 2>from the children's teachers.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't have their gym clothes, this and that. They

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<v Speaker 3>didn't bring this, They didn't bring that.

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<v Speaker 2>I find out they go to school with nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>mini muffs in their stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>You know where those come from, Joe Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>They come off the shelf, out of a plastic package. True,

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<v Speaker 2>they're good, they're intimates. I didn't get paid for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Those little bee chocolate chip and those are treats they

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<v Speaker 2>have after dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>If they're awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what John David might get if I can drag

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<v Speaker 2>them off fortnite or as we call it, fortnite. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>long story short, that's such a treat that's not breakfast.

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<v Speaker 3>And I find out I come home their toothbrushes are

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<v Speaker 3>bone dry.

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<v Speaker 2>They I've even put them in a different places in

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom so I can tell if they have been

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<v Speaker 2>used one time since I have been gone.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat starving crying, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs laying in the driveway starved.

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<v Speaker 3>The guinea pigs are beat beat beeping.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's starved. The place is a wrecked No, Joe Scott,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I just don't think men do as well

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<v Speaker 2>a good of his job as women. And here he

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<v Speaker 2>is taking care of these two children.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, I gotta, I gotta stand in proxy.

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<v Speaker 3>Your wife is listening, just so you know.

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<v Speaker 10>I know, I know, I gotta. I gotta stand in

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<v Speaker 10>proxy for your husband. Here, take it easy on us.

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<v Speaker 10>We bruised. Really.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what he said when I confront him with

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<v Speaker 2>two starving, screaming guinea pigs. You know what he says

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<v Speaker 2>about the children. I say, why didn't the children have

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<v Speaker 2>their gym clothes? He goes, They're alive.

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<v Speaker 3>They're alive. They got in school and they're alive. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all you've got to say.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, yes, And I go, you should have

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<v Speaker 2>exercised your right to remain silent. You should have just

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<v Speaker 2>stayed quiet on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Anyway, my point is he's got these two children.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Ellen, how does it go from him taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of the children and now she's dead and goes missing?

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<v Speaker 3>Ellen, come on fast forward.

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<v Speaker 5>Ellen, We don't know exactly what happened. Police aren't revealing

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<v Speaker 5>anything about the presumed causes of death.

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<v Speaker 8>All we know is that.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.

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<v Speaker 5>He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is

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<v Speaker 5>having a lot of success. They have another baby.

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<v Speaker 8>On the way.

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<v Speaker 5>He could have been under a lot of stress and

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<v Speaker 5>he may have felt that his role had been diminished

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<v Speaker 5>in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his

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<v Speaker 2>male ego. Ellen, She's dead, and now let me just

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<v Speaker 2>Q and A with myself here.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it true? Cops believes she was killed in her

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<v Speaker 3>home and then her.

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<v Speaker 2>Body moved to and a Darko oil and gas drilling properties.

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<v Speaker 3>Who worked there?

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<v Speaker 2>May I ask you that, Ellen, who do we know

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<v Speaker 2>work at Anadarko Oil and Gas drilling Name one person,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Watt.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Michelle Dupree helped me

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<v Speaker 2>out here. Pathologists, medical examiner. Doctor Dupree, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very

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<v Speaker 2>often will do it or dispose of the body in

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<v Speaker 2>a place they are familiar. And I always point to

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, He golfs and

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<v Speaker 2>he cheats. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like rents and repeat on the back of your shampoo.

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<v Speaker 2>He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy

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<v Speaker 2>his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor in San Francisco baby,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's comfy there, he goes and dumps the bodies there,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.

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<v Speaker 7>Exactly, you really do? We love it when they're dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And here we've got in a Darco Oil and Gas

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<v Speaker 2>drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts works.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I come and Joe Scott Morgan, I need

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<v Speaker 2>expertise from you regarding how they might know the mom

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<v Speaker 2>and the two little girls were murdered in their own home.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Crime Stories tip line nine oh nine four

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<v Speaker 4>I called her a three, texted her about their times,

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<v Speaker 4>just to say, you know, what's going on? Like I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't I her that for that for the after I

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<v Speaker 4>called her and texted her once, It's like maybe she

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<v Speaker 4>was just busy, like just gotten back, you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got

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<v Speaker 4>back from Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.

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<v Speaker 4>But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like.

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<v Speaker 4>It registered like, all right, this isn't right right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and

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<v Speaker 4>with the kids, But I mean, could she event could

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<v Speaker 4>she just taken off?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like

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<v Speaker 4>I want them back now like that, that's what's in

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<v Speaker 4>my head. Like if they're safe right now, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>come back. But if they're not safe right now, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're not safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Last night, I was had everybody in the house on

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<v Speaker 4>I was hoping that I would just get just ran

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 4>over by the kids running in the door, just like

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Beryl rushing me. But it didn't happen, and it was

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 4>just a traumatic night trying to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you're hearing the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the public's help. I gotta tell you something to forensics expert,

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 2>of Blood Beneath My Feet, you know, with a title

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like that, I just want to read it right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Scott Morgan.

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Joe Scott, how do they where do you believe

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 2>they're getting the evidence to support the theory that mommy

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>and the two little girls were killed in the home

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and then their bodies moved to this obscure drilling location.

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<v Speaker 10>Two the things that we look for, Nancy, are going

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 10>to be, and this is generally blanket statements that you'll

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 10>see in a death investigation report, evidence of forced entry, struggle.

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 10>And also is there any evidence of physical evidence that's

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:43.919
<v Speaker 10>left behind relative to things like blood evidence. The police

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 10>are keeping a very tight lid on this as far

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 10>as what they're releasing to this point, and I plaud

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 10>them for that, But if you were, if I were

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 10>to speculate at this point, it would be something like

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 10>blood evidence and the point of origin of this. How

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 10>did we come to this point where blood would be distributed,

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 10>for instance, in a house? Was there was it evidence

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 10>that they were killed in one spot and then the bodies.

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps, says Scott Morgan, it could be cybers hold on,

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>hold on getting a call from Atlanta. Ray in Atlanta,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>what's your tip questioner theory.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 6>Hey, listen, Nancy, you have got to stop immediately blaming

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 6>the husband on these things. Now you look We've debated

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 6>this for years. First of all, you need.

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 3>To be at work and not listening to the radio

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 3>number one.

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 6>But go ahead, well because you get me and I'm

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 6>aggravated and that's why I'm doing this.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Now. Listen.

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 6>One thing that it does do, and I think you

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 6>will agree with this in your many years of experience,

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 6>when the focus is on whom almost everybody assumes, it

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 6>harms law enforcement. Let me tell you why. Law enforcement

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 6>in some of these cases just wants to sit back

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 6>and lit the In some cases, the husband or the

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 6>part here act.

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 3>The fool, go to the funeral, make.

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 6>The statement, try to cover up evidence, and it just

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 6>makes a better case for law enforcement. Additionally, for US

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 6>criminal defense lawyers, if the immediate and full focus is

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 6>on this number one suspect, it gives us some play

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 6>in the defense, like, hey, law enforcement, you never even

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 6>looked at the gardener or the guy that you had

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 6>an argument with last week, or this guy that's been

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 6>flirting with her online. You went right to my client.

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>No holds barred.

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 6>So again, the initial focus on someone who was presumed

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 6>innocent till proven guilty has some flaws in the prosecution

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 6>of the case.

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, Ray, don't you need to be somewhere right now,

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like in court or at your office, or with your

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>feet kicked up, smoking your cigar, catching that fat paycheck

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you get from that law firm. You know, Ray, it's

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>not just me claiming the husband did it.

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Didn't You used to be a.

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Long time ago before you went to the dark side.

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Didn't you used to be a prosecutor?

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Do I have that wrong yet?

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 6>But then I saw the light.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Then you saw the paycheck. You saw the paycheck. Rage

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 3>you to Shae, That's what happened with you.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 6>You're always waving that little pocket copy of the Constitution around.

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 6>The difference is I read it okay, and these folks

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 6>are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, now, I know you're in trouble when you start

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>dragging the presumption of innocence out of the moth balls.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Listen, I'm not just blaming him because he's the husband.

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm blaming him because he's the last one with her

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 3>at two a m.

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>When she gets out of town because she has to

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>go out of town to work and make a living

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to support the family. She's got two little babies at home,

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>two little girls, Bella and Celeste, and she's pregnant. This

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>woman is not just gonna run out to meet some

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 2>other man. Plus it's two o'clock in the morning. He's

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>there until five am when he goes to work at

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>some oil and a dark oil and drilling company. And

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>guess for her body has just been found rayed? You

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to say guess.

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 6>And I've been following the story, and so I agree

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 6>with you.

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>On a property where the husband's business does drilling.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 6>It certainly would make him a person of interest. It

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 6>would certainly make him a person at law enforce it

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 6>wants to speak with thoroughly. Do his timeline Arrens may

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 6>lead to they but that information. Listen, you remember Richard Jewel,

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 6>the alleged Olympics bomber cover of Time magazine as the

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 6>the you know, the evil guy, wrong, wrong man.

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>You had to dig deep, didn't You had to go

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>all the way back to the what was that the

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six Olympics to find an example of somebody

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>that was charged.

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 3>It was that's digging deep.

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Ray Well, I was.

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 6>I was trying to find something from your elementary scho

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 6>days that you would remember back in school.

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 9>And here I.

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Believe that was about the second grade when that happened.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>So bottom line, what's your advice check? So you're arguing

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>against he's the last person with her. I guess you

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>want to drag out his last statement that he made,

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.719
<v Speaker 2>his public statement I love the baby. Already looking at

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the little baby boys sonogram. Now you know, Ray, there's

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>an unborn baby. There's Celeste Abela.

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Now you know what.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 6>If you if he was my client, he would be

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 6>duct taped in a closet in my law office and

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.239
<v Speaker 6>not making these kind of statements. Look, I agree with you. Uh,

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 6>this is a guy that law enforcement should absolutely focus on,

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 6>but build their case slowly and steadily. You know, there's

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 6>there's a timeline, there's physical evidence, and you know also

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 6>nowadays there are so many cameras, so many ways to

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 6>track vehicles. I mean, I just was involved in a

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 6>case where we were able to clear my client through

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 6>an alibi that he wasn't at the scene of a

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 6>crime from an ATM camera on the other side of

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 6>town where he actually was using the ATM to withdraw

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 6>some money, And so we had a timestamp, We had

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 6>video of him putting in his card and getting his

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 6>two hundred dollars at the same time, it was alleged

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 6>he was Crosstown and if you know Atlanta, getting cross

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 6>town ain't easy. So there are so many ways to

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 6>track this the murderer, whoever it may be. I would

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 6>bet you there's security cameras around this oil refinery. Those

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 6>are places nowadays that are high security because of terrorist

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 6>risks and other things. Cell phones can be tracked to

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 6>the cell towers. I think I just saw something on

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 6>the news the other day that Google has the tracking

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 6>system that they haven't told us about that we all

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 6>have in our phone.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I'm so not concerned about Google tractic.

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>The photos just released show the clothing Shanan was wearing

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>when her body was dumped, a filthy shirt, her bra,

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:22.959
<v Speaker 2>her underwear now behind bars. Watts blames his sex affair

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>with Nicole Kessinger, calling her a harlot and an evil woman. Right,

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 2>it's her fault, Watts, give it up. I agree with

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.959
<v Speaker 2>Shenan's mother. You are the Antichrist, and this is why

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>take a listen to this.

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 4>around the nation, So you're supposed to get home, like eleven,

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 4>She got home at like one forty eight. She came

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 4>home from the airport two am, and I left around

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 4>five point fifteen. She's still here. And like about twelve

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 4>ten in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up at

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 4>the door. Like I had texted a few times, I

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 4>called her, say, you know, but she never got back

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 4>to me. But she doesn't getting back to any of

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 4>her people as well. And that's what really concerned a

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 4>lot of people, is like she's not getting back to

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 4>her Like she doesn't get back to me. That's fine,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 4>Like she gets busy during the day, but she gets

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 4>back to her people, which was very concerning. And Nicole

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 4>called me when she was out the door, and that's

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 4>when they came home and then walked in the house

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 4>and nothing is vanished.

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Nothing was here.

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean, she wasn't she wasn't here, the kids weren't here,

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 4>nobody was here.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 3>I just want them back, I just I just want

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 3>them to come back.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 4>And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 4>that's what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe,

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 4>they're come back. But if they're not, this this this

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 4>has got to stop. Like somebody has to come forward.

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 2>You are hearing the sound of husband and father, thirty

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>three year old Christopher Watts, begging for the return of

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 2>his wife, Shannon, his two little children, Bella and Celeste,

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 2>and his unborn baby boy. And just before that, he

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>he had posted loving messages to wife Shannon when she

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>sends him an ultrasound showing the progress of their third baby.

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Quote little peanut, exclamation, exclamation, love her slash hymn already,

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 2>he wrote in response to seeing that ultrasound image. Now

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>she the loving wife, shares the exchange on Facebook the

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 2>very same day, quote, I love Chris, He's the best

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 2>dad of us girls could ask for. Right now, that

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 2>husband Christopher Watts under suspicion and the disappearance and death

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 2>of his wife and two children. The police remaining tight

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>lip regarding the cause of death, but we are hearing

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.879
<v Speaker 2>from police sources they do believe Shannon and the two

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 2>baby girls were murdered in the home. Their bodies disposed

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 2>of at an obscure drilling location with the oil company

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the dad worked with and a Darco.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Listen to this.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 11>At this point, we have been able to recover a

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 11>body that we're quite certain is shanan watch body. We

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 11>have a strong reason to believe that we know where

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 11>the bodies of the children are and recovery efforts are.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>In process on that and in the last hours a

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:28.720
<v Speaker 2>stunning development in the search and the discovery of those bodies.

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Take a listen to the police Sergeant Ian Albert.

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 3>They're in Frederick, Colorado.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 12>To give you some background, the Frederick Police Department receives

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 12>a missing person call just excuse me just before two

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 12>pm on Monday, August twenty thirty, twenty eighteen. Our Adiency

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 12>launched investigation, conducting interviews neighborhood chemises in an effort to

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 12>locate Shanan and the two girls, Belle and celest We

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 12>also contacted the FBI and the CBI to assist in

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 12>this case. In addition into providing investigative agents and crime

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 12>scene responders, a missing excuse me, a missing endangered alert

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 12>was announced on Tuesday afternoon. Fredick p D conducted additional

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 12>canvases where flyers featuring Shenan Celestian Bellow were distributed to Revy. Finally,

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 12>in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband, Chris Watts,

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 12>was taken into custody and was transported to the wal

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 12>Kenny jail just after three pm last night. He is

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 12>currently scheduled for a bond hearing later today.

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 3>And there you have it.

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The husband has just been for arrested. There will be

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 2>a bond hearing regarding this case the wife and the.

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Two little girls.

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 8>Dad.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I've got a theory, Joe Scott Morgan, and I'm going

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>to think about what you and doctor Michelle do pre

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>medical examiner, I have to say on this he's alone

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 2>with the girls for several days while mommy's out of

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:56.439
<v Speaker 2>town working bringing in all the money she comes home.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Has he already killed the girls? Because if you're having

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 2>an argument with the mom, why kill the children too?

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>How would we be able to tell that from the

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>crime scene, Joseph Scott Morgan.

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 10>What's going to happen, Nancy, is you're going to couple

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 10>the findings at the crime scene relative to these If

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 10>these children had been down for several days, there might

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 10>be evidence to the fact that, as hard as it

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<v Speaker 10>is to say that these kids may have begun to

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<v Speaker 10>decompose in the house at some point in time. And

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<v Speaker 10>then you couple that, you couple that with any kind

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<v Speaker 10>of what to referred to as postmortem changes that have

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 10>taken place in the bodies, and they find them out

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<v Speaker 10>at the scene at this Antadarko refinery or I think

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<v Speaker 10>that it's probably natural gas wellheads. This is a vast

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 10>area that he would have knowledge of, Nancy, and that's

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<v Speaker 10>going to be very important to this case. And so

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<v Speaker 10>this is all going to tie back together with what

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<v Speaker 10>happened in that period of time when she when these

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<v Speaker 10>kids were last seen, and when they were found, coupled

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<v Speaker 10>with the findings on her body, because the two time

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<v Speaker 10>the timelines are not going to be the same, all right,

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<v Speaker 10>Because if she comes home and these kids are missing,

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<v Speaker 10>an argument ensues, maybe he's already gotten rid of the kids,

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<v Speaker 10>maybe he's already killed the kids. At this point, her body,

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<v Speaker 10>for lack of a better term, will be fresher than

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 10>these poor little angels.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, Doctor Michelle Dupre, pathologist and medical examiner. Specifically, how

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>would I be able to prove if Watts murdered the

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 2>two children first and then the wife comes home from

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:54.799
<v Speaker 2>out of town, and how would I be able to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that?

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<v Speaker 3>Or could I?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, we should be able to creed that. And again,

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<v Speaker 7>as what was just said, we look at the state

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<v Speaker 7>of the body, and by comparison we can tell who

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 7>died earlier than the other by the post mortem changes.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 7>We also look at the totality of circumstances, and we

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<v Speaker 7>look at the crime scene itself. There may be clues there.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 7>We can look at blood pooling, we can look at

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 7>different forensic evidence to help us determine those things, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>We put it all together.

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<v Speaker 5>But mostly the key.

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<v Speaker 7>Is going to be looking at both bodies and compare them.

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Once, the husband, says the last time he saw

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<v Speaker 2>his wife was at five point fifteen a m.

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<v Speaker 3>When he leaves for work.

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<v Speaker 2>He also says the two stayed up late, having an

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<v Speaker 2>emotional conversation after she got home from out of town

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<v Speaker 2>at one a m.

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<v Speaker 3>Late night.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a red I flight back home. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he got worried when she did not reply to a

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<v Speaker 2>text messages that morning, and then he began to panic

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<v Speaker 2>after a friend came to the home around noontime and

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>there was no answer. Shanan was fifteen weeks pregnant carrying

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<v Speaker 2>a baby boy who she planned to name Nico at

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<v Speaker 2>this hour. Christopher Watts, a husband, is being held without

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 2>bill in the Will County jail. He's due in court

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>for a bond hearing. No formal charges have been filed.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested on accounts of murder and three counts

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<v Speaker 2>of tampering with evidence. Ellen Calaura and investigative journalists with

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<v Speaker 2>crime online dot Com. I assume the three tampering cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal with moving the bodies.

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<v Speaker 5>That would certainly be the implication. And I'm also seeing,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is really horrible.

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<v Speaker 13>But I'm also seeing that the bodies of the girls,

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<v Speaker 13>presumably the two little girls, were found inside an oil

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 13>container or an oil vat, and I've seen speculation that

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 13>that could have been done intentionally to conceal any smell.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Ellen, Ellen, that's a new fact for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I was trying to put together a

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>photo album late last night because I'm so so far behind,

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and then I got to looking at photos, Ellen, and

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>then I ended up with the children at ages two

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<v Speaker 2>and three. You know, that's a long time ago, and

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>they're so tiny, They're so tiny, And to think of

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<v Speaker 2>those little children down in an oil vat.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you said, some type of a vat, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>An oil container or an oil vat, yeah, but whatever

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 9>it is filled with oil.

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<v Speaker 2>The CBI Colorado Bureau of Investigation say our has found

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<v Speaker 2>the body of sNaN Watts, three days after she was

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<v Speaker 2>reported missing on property owned by Anadarko Petroleum where the

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 2>husband worked.

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 3>He has since been released from his job.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time they found her body, I recall e

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<v Speaker 2>K that they mentioned something about having strong reason to

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<v Speaker 2>believe they know where the bodies of the two daughters,

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Bella and Celeste are. They didn't find them in the

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<v Speaker 2>same place as the mom Ellen mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 9>That's right, and we don't know what that means in

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 9>terms of the timeline, but I think that couple that

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<v Speaker 9>that coupled with the fact that he reportedly gave a confession,

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<v Speaker 9>that must have been how they found the bodies.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems to me that that's that he led them.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't worry, he'll find a way to appeal. Just

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<v Speaker 2>give him time, we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace

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<v Speaker 2>Crime Story is signing off p myself.

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<v Speaker 10>Persis