1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, it's your old pal Josh. And for 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen How 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: the Hum Works came out back in December of two 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, and it is probably the saddest most aggravating 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: affliction I can think of, next to Morgellons, because people 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: don't believe you when you have this thing. Uh. It's 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: pretty interesting episode if you ask me. It's got everything. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Uh that X Files makes an appearance, and so does 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Vocal Fry before our Vocal Fry episode ever came out. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoy it. Bon Chawn's welcome to 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know from How Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and I would say it's stuff you should know, 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: but it's not because I haven't said Jerry, and now 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: I did, so this is sufficient. Yes, are people going 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: crazy yet? I don't know. There's probably some people who 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: started going crazy in the moment they hit play. Yeah, 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: that's Chuck's version of the hum. Yeah, capital T, capital H. Yeah. 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: So the hum you just did it makes sense. It's 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: a hum. But apparently like if you'd listen, I don't. 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: I wonder if you can hear the same thing I'm 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: hearing because you're hearing it in your head. But there's 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: like a gravelly quality to it, the vocal fry. Okay, 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, I say gravelly, 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: but it's not. It wasn't constant. The gravelly thing gave 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: it texture and it was kind of broken up a 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: little bit. That is more akin to the hum than 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: the unbroken part that was going throughout. So apparently, while 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: this is called the hum, and we should eventually explain 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, it's not the casical definition of 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: a hum that people here, right, It's not it's it's 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: it's like a diesel truck idoling engine idling is with 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: a classic description of it, Yeah, the um. That term 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: vocal fry is one of those you ever hear or 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: learn of a new expression or a thing and they've 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: never heard of, and then you see it everywhere. That 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: is called the bottom minehuff phenomenon. And that's happening to 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: me with vocal fry. Where did you hear that? I 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: can't remember where I initially heard it, but it's a 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: thing now that they say, um, like Kim Kardashian is 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: who they always blame. It's a vocal affectation that's supposedly 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: young women are using now where they go into that 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: lower tone, um, that gravelly tone on certain like the 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: ends of sentences. Usually I know you, I heard that too, 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: and that supposedly keeps them from being promoted at work 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Yeah, And it's the female equivalent of 47 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the guys who speak up yeah, or all the valley 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: girl thing, which is up speak, like the valley girls 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: talking like that. But now it's um. You know, he 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: was a nice guy, but I really wasn't sure what 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: his motivation was. Oh okay, yeah, that's a great impression. 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: That's because it was dead on. Yeah. And I totally 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: got that you had pigtails just now. Yeah. I was 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: talking Emily about it the day. She was like, do 55 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: I do that? It's like, now, you don't do that? No, 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: you don't. I just did that, didn't I a little bit? 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: But you you were doing a different voice, so it 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah. Anyway, I can't escape it. Now. It's 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: like every other day since I've heard it, I've seen 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: something about vocal fry And have you noticed people with 61 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: vocal frymore all the time. Okay, yeah, it's annoying, Like 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: what you're describing now has really nothing to do with 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the hum, but it actually does have a lot in 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: common with the hum, and that kind of people who 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: hear the hum um tended to be able to focus 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: in on it more and more easily the more that 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: they're exposed to it, which is the opposite of what 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: should happen to a noise that really is inconsequential in 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: the environment. That's so what we're talking about here, Chuck, 70 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: is the hum with a capital H. That's right. What 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: what is it? Well, it is um. It is a sound, 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: a mysterious sound that is heard in places around the 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: world by about two percent of the local population. UM. 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: It is a low frequent and we're going to get 75 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: into the frequencies and all that, but let's just call 76 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: it a low frequency rumbling right now. It's a drone. 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: It's a vibration described sometimes as it sounds like it's 78 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: coming from nowhere or inside my own head. Um. And 79 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: it is. There are places all around the world where, 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: like I said, a very small population of people experience 81 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: this hum, and depending on where you are, they will 82 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: name it that hume, like the Auckland hume. The winds 83 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: are hum, the Bristol hume, Yeah, the Taos hum and um. 84 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: It's been described, you know, going back to the eighteen hundreds. 85 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: People have talked about it in literally sure, but really 86 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, sixties and seventies and the modern 87 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: world is when people have started describing hearing this thing 88 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: that drives them batty basically. And one of the ways 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: that it drives them batty is they'll say do you 90 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: hear that? And everyone else in the room will say no. 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: The other of people's at yeah, and they'll be like, 92 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: how do you what do you mean you don't hear that? 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: And everybody else in the room goes, okay, right, maybe 94 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: you're a little wacky. It's generally at night. It's worse 95 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: at night, for sure, and generally in more rural areas, um, 96 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: which makes sense because it's not as much noise pollution, 97 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: I think exactly. Yeah. Um. It also is tends to 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: be worse indoors, so at night, which is a little weird. 99 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: Indoors means that you don't get much sleep because this 100 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: is something that you can't not focus on. People who 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: suffer from the hum tend to say that it dominates 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: the soundscape. It's not something they can just tune out. 103 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: It's not something that they're getting used to. And again, 104 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: the more the more they're exposed to it, the easier 105 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: they say it is to tune into it and I 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: guess become cognizant of it yet again, So imagine about it. Yeah, 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: and imagine being plagued by a sound that does this 108 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: to you and that everyone else says is not real 109 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: because they don't hear it. Yeah, and it's been I mean, 110 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: we'll get into the reasons that it maybe or may 111 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: not be happening, but it's been uh passed off as 112 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: mass hysteria UM or mass delusion UM from everything from 113 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: that to like government conspiracy to uh legitimate legitimate noise, 114 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: whether or not it's acoustic or electromagnetic. And that's part 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: of the problem is is there one um? Right? There 116 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: are lots of harms. Is there no harm? You know, 117 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: your your skeptics will say there is no harm. It's 118 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: tentatives or it's something like that UM or some other 119 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: inner ear noise like otto acoustic noise UM. So who knows, 120 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: but that's there there are two ways that the hum. Okay, 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: so again, let's let's restate this and let's put ourselves 122 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: in the position of the outsider, because I don't experience 123 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the hum, so I am it ounced. I don't either 124 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: knock on wood because the more I researched it some 125 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: more I'm like, oh God, I hope I never do well. 126 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: We we left out one um one quality of it 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: that that is common around the world. And when we 128 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: say around the world, it tends to be curiously concentrated 129 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: in the West, UM and in the euro I didn't 130 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: notice that euro ancestry West. Yeah, I didn't really see 131 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: anything about any countries in the East. If you look 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: at UM, if you look at there is a guy 133 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: who runs a m Glenn McPherson. Yes, Glenn McPherson runs 134 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: something called the World HUM Map and Database. And we 135 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: ran into Glenn mc fherson. Before we get too far, 136 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: we should give a huge shout out to Jared Keller 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: over at Mike who wrote this amazing article called a 138 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: mysterious sound is driving people insane and nobody knows what's 139 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: causing it. Totally worth reading UM. And he talks about 140 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: a guy named Glenn McPherson who's a professor in uh 141 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: British Columbia, and he set up a website called the 142 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: World HUM Map and Database, and so anybody who hears 143 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: the HUM can go and fill out a questionnaire and 144 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: then it takes that data and puts a dot on 145 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the map, and you can hover over the dot and 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: get the data. Right if you look at it, it's 147 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: just the United States, Great Britain, your Western Europe, Canada, 148 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: South Africa. It's pretty it's it's unusual that there's nothing 149 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: in Africa except South Africa. Um, and it's just in 150 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: these European ancestry western countries. Right. On the one hand, 151 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,239 Speaker 1: you could say, well, that's because this is an English 152 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: language database, and so of course somebody whose native languages 153 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: like Swahili isn't gonna go into this. And I have 154 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: no idea what I'm typing here, but yeah, yeah, exactly. 155 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: So that's one explanation. There are other explanations too, and 156 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: now we arrive at one of them. We're going back 157 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: on the outside because you don't hear the hump. I 158 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: don't hear the hump. And let's say that we're your 159 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: nose and throat guys, and somebody comes to us and says, 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm going crazy, Like I'm seriously contemplating suicide because this 161 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: HUM is keeping me up at night. I haven't slept 162 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: at weeks. I'm irritable, i have headaches, nosebleeds, I'm nauseated 163 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: all the time. These are all common symptoms of HUM sufferers. 164 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: You're you're going to think one of two things as 165 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: a doctor a physician. One is tonitus, yeah, and then 166 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: the other one is you're crazy that you're you're driving 167 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: yourself crazy. Um. Both of them can kind of be 168 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: explained away, and they are explained away by this guy 169 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: named David Demming, and he is a geoscientist from University 170 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, and he wrote what is probably the definitive 171 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: study on the harm so far back in two thousand four. 172 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: That's right, so Demming apparently if you look at his research, 173 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: there is another theory. Uh. And this is where the U. S. 174 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: Government comes into play, because there's a couple of um. 175 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: There's a couple of theories revolving around the US military 176 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: and whether or not they are causing this UM. One 177 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: is with their High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program h 178 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: a a ARP in Alaska, and they transmit RF signals 179 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: into the HONO sphere. And very well, should we go 180 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: ahead and start talking about the frequency ranges VLF and 181 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: e l F. VLF is very low frequency and those 182 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: are waves at point one hurts and the other one 183 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: is e l F. Right, is there extremely low frequencies 184 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: and they're in the range of UM the same amount 185 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: of hurts, but their wavelength is up to like a 186 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand meters. Right, that's an extremely long wavelength, that's right. 187 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: And um, people who think, you know, they call them 188 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: HUM investigators. Uh, they believe pretty much that it is 189 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: VLF and e l F tones um that are driving 190 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: these people crazy. And those tones can drive you crazy. 191 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: They do have adverse effects on the body. Um. You 192 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: know you you probably heard it about a lot when 193 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: it comes to like cell phone radiation that kind of thing. Yeah. 194 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: But Um, whether or not e l F and VLF 195 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: is or are the HUM is what's a matter of 196 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: much debate. It is a matter of debate because and 197 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: it's also kind of a matter of faith because what 198 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about there with UM E l F and 199 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: vlf frequencies is uh tones, those are radio waves, and 200 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: radio is part of the electromagnetic spec spectrum. Right, Yeah, 201 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: so it has been shown at very very high frequencies, 202 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: humans can detect electro magnetics sound. We take it as sound, 203 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: which is weird because it's not supposed to happen like that, 204 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: But that's how we experience it. It's not like at 205 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: a high frequency we suddenly see it. We hear it. 206 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: And if you are familiar with the UM comment six 207 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: seven that the European Space Agency recently landed on, which 208 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: is crazy, that comment was found to emit a an 209 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: electro magnetic clicking sound, which is how we experience electro 210 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: magnets or electromagnetic sound at a certain frequency. And so 211 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: because it's a clicking sound, it's not a hum at all. 212 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Some people are saying, well, that doesn't make any sense. 213 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: This is a hum. It doesn't if we can hear it, 214 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't sound like an idoling diesel engine. 215 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: It sounds like a clicking sound or something like that. 216 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: And then what's more, what this guy is saying is 217 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: that if it's a very low frequency or extremely low frequency, 218 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: that's the opposite of how we hear electromagnetic radiation. We 219 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: hear at a very high frequency, not a very low frequency, 220 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: so which one is it? So, yes, it's still a 221 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: huge matter of debate even as to whether the HUM. 222 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: First of all, if it does exist, if it's a 223 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: single source, single source, and then um, if it is 224 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: a single source or any kind of source, is it 225 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: electromagnetic or is it acoustic? And we'll unpack the difference 226 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: between those things right after this. So as whether or 227 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: not the HUM exists. The Canadian government actually part of 228 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: the problem is it's hard to get research done on 229 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: this because very small number of people experience it, and 230 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot of them are called crackpots. Yeah, so it's 231 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: tough to get funding for research. But luckily there's a 232 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: country called Canada that will fund things like this. And 233 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: uh Dr Colin novak Um spent a year listening to 234 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the windsor hom in Ontario and what they found was 235 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: the HUM is real. And they traced the source in 236 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: that case too UM on the Michigan side of the 237 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: Detroit River UM and basically a steel plant on Zug Island. 238 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Then that sounds like an industrial plant ially does, and 239 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: it supposedly generates a lot of VLF waves UM when 240 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: they're operating. So in this instance, at least the hum 241 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: was a real thing, and they found out it was 242 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: a tone created from basically an industrial plant, right, So 243 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: they apparently took steps to cut down on whatever energy 244 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: it was emitting. Yeah, they turned off the hum machine 245 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: right exactly. And all of a sudden, Um, some people said, Hey, 246 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: that worked, a lot of people said that did absolutely nothing. 247 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: The Hum's still out there. And then the most people said, 248 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: I still don't know what you're talking about. So that 249 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: that and that wasn't actually the first time government has 250 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: looked into the hum. In Taos, New Mexico, there's something 251 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: called the Taos Hum and apparently, uh, somebody wrote in 252 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: to complain about it to a local newspaper, and all 253 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like hundreds more people said, yes, I 254 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: hear the same thing. I've been hearing the same thing 255 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: for years. What is going on? And enough of enough 256 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: people said something in New Mexico that it prompted an 257 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: investigation by the University of New Mexico and Sandy A Labs, 258 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: which I think is like a government affiliated kind of Um. Well, 259 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: it's a neat research lab. They do all sorts of 260 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: cool clandestine stuff. Nice right, um, and very much so. 261 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: And actually the X Files mentioned the hum in an 262 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: episode called Drive Yeah. Interesting, they talk about it. There 263 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: was a couple of characters had to constantly moved westward 264 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: or else they would suffer from the pressure of this 265 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: hum that no one else could hear. Let me guess, 266 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Mulder believe Scully did not exactly how did you saw 267 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: that one? No? I didn't, but you know, so um 268 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: they looked into the Taos hum and they could never 269 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: figure out what it was, so I think they kind 270 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: of wrote it off as either mass delusion or a 271 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: bunch of people had tenitas or what have you. Which 272 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: is again, that's the that's the easy that's the easy answer, 273 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: like you have tonitas. The problem is if if a 274 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: prison is tonitas, they the sound is internal, like they remember, 275 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: there's like an idea that the and isn't it a 276 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: high pitch ringing? Yes? Usually it can. It can vary 277 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: in in um and pitch, but for the most part 278 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: it's you can tell it's internal with the hum. Everyone 279 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: who experiences the hume says, no, this is external, and 280 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: it's it's they're so convinced it's external that they'll go 281 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: out at night when it's worse and try to find 282 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the source of it. They'll drive around their city or 283 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: their neighborhood or walk around and look for what it 284 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: is that's driving them crazy and they'll never find it, 285 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: or they'll turn off the power of their house, or 286 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of extreme UM and of 287 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: course it's all like anecdotal, but people that are driven 288 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: to suicide or this one guy who intentionally deafened himself 289 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: with a chainsaw, which I'm not sure how you do. 290 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: I guess the chasteria from UM and possibly even murder, 291 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a bit, which is pretty interesting. 292 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: But the point is that it's not just something that's 293 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: just bugging people like it. It is having the hum. 294 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: There are people all over the world that don't know 295 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: each other, that have never met that UM are suffering 296 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: from something that they hear that other people can't hear 297 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: in concentrated areas. Yeah, and then and that's affecting their 298 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: quality of life. And UM, I don't know if I 299 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: ever finished the sentence, which is weird. That means I'm 300 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: really interested in something, Okay, But um, did we say 301 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: or did I say that people who suffer from the 302 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: hum tend to be in their fifties and older. Yeah, 303 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the markers between like fifty and seventy. Okay, 304 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: So there's a this is something in the favor of 305 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: acoustic sound. Um. So, acoustic sound is a compression wave 306 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: and it's something that's carried through and propagates through media. 307 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: So um, there it's a vibration in the air. Whereas 308 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: an electromagnetics wave comes from an electrical or a magnetic 309 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: or both source. This is like the vibe of vibration. 310 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: It's a sound wave. That's that's an acoustic wave. Right. So, um, 311 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: as we age, say you get to around fifty years 312 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: of age, your ability to hear high frequency and mid 313 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: frequency acoustic sound diminishes. Your low frequency capabilities go undiminished. 314 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: So it's not like they increase, but comparatively speaking, you 315 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: get better at hearing low frequencies around age fifty. Interesting. 316 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: So what some people think is that if it is electromagnetic, 317 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: then there are some people out there who are capable 318 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: of hearing electromagnetic waves while the rest of us can't 319 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: and they're being driven crazy by some source that we 320 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: have yet to identify. Um or if it's acoustic, that 321 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: there are some people out there who are superheroes of 322 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: low frequency sound, which would also kind of um do 323 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: away with another diagnosis that a lot of doctors give people, 324 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: which is hyper accus us, which to me is worth 325 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: a whole other podcasts. It's another people kill themselves over 326 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: this heightened hyper hearing to where like this, the rustle 327 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: of clothes is unbearable. Man. The thing is is, if 328 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: you have hyper accused us, it's not just going to 329 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: be some harm that you hear and everything else is normal, 330 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: which is what hum suffers experience. You would hear everything 331 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: on this grand scale. You'd be like Spider Man exactly. 332 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: So what they think is that there are people who 333 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: UM are predisposed to hearing low frequency sounds way better 334 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: than other people, and that it comes as their higher 335 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: and mid frequency capabilities diminished with age. Right, But again, 336 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: what are they hearing? Well? That's right, UM. I mentioned 337 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: earlier the h A A r P program that the 338 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: US government military is doing in Alaska. The other one 339 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: that I teased UM is the TACAMO, the Take Charge 340 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: and Move Out system. In the nineteen sixties, U. S. 341 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: Navy basically adopted this program to be able to communicate 342 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: with submarines, long range bombers, UM ballistic missiles during nuclear war, 343 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: and they use very low frequency radio waves to do so. 344 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: And you know, it's a real thing, but is it 345 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: the hum um? Other conspiracy theorists will say that the 346 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: US government is also using these things to target individuals 347 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: UM and of course that's you know, you want to say, 348 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: that's probably bunk, but you never know. You know, what 349 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: the cool irony is that Jared Keller points out is 350 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: that if the HUM is electromagnetic in nature, tinfoil hat, 351 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: an aluminum foil hat would actually work because it blocks 352 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: out about I think write but like just a thin 353 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: layer of aluminum can block out like of electromagnetic waves. 354 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: So that's pretty ironic that it might actually work, although 355 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't I haven't heard whether that helps people with 356 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: the HUM if they put on a tinfoil hat, if 357 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: that would help or not, or if it has um. 358 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: But speaking of tacomo uh, if you read David Demming's 359 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: UM journal article, it's called the HUM an anomalous sound 360 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: heard around the World. And there is a journal called 361 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: the Journal of Scientific Exploration, which is a pure viewed 362 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: scientific journal that accepts articles on things on the fringe 363 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: of science, which the home most decidedly is UM. David 364 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: demon gets into Tacomo and he basically says, this is 365 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: a secret government program. So obviously we can't get any 366 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: real answers. We don't know how often it works or 367 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: how often they're transmitting or anything, but we do know 368 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: it is a real thing. And he correlates some dates 369 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: when there's like upgrades to the system and then all 370 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden in this one area around the same 371 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: time there's the Kokomo Indiana Hume starts UM. So he 372 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: he does a good job of correlating, and I think 373 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: that's kind of what he settles on. He believes that 374 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: it's probably the TACAMO program, that this very low frequency 375 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: transmission two submarines underwater from airplanes above is being propagated 376 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: around the world, and that would suggest that it's a 377 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: global source. That it's just some people can hear these 378 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: radio waves that you're not supposed to be able to hear. Yeah, 379 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: or it's multiple sources combined, like a combined effect, like 380 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: if you live near an industrial plant that has a 381 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: machine that's making the sound that maybe certain people are 382 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: retuned to or not. I don't know, well, That's another 383 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: characteristic is that it's mostly experienced in the country. But see, 384 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I just chalked that up to noise pollution being reduced. Yeah, 385 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: Like when I worked at a convenient store in the 386 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: midnight shift the um. When I worked during the day, 387 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: I would not notice anything. But when I worked up 388 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: there at night at three am, I would hear the 389 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: buzzing of the fluorescent lights and it would drive me crazy. Uh, 390 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, I would turn them off and people would 391 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: think we're closed. So you the thing is, you eventually 392 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: stopped hearing that, right well, when I left work. That's 393 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: called habituation. So habituation means that you are capable of 394 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: so like you'd focus on these things the whole time 395 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: you were there. Well yeah, in the middle, I wouldn't 396 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: focus on it, but I would notice. I'd be reading 397 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: a book and I would just hear that that sound, 398 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, But I never noticed it during the day 399 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 1: when the lights were on. But so like when you 400 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: didn't hear it, that's habituation. Where like your your supposed 401 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: to something, your brain says, uh, this is totally it's 402 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: not a threat. I don't have to pay attention to 403 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: it anymore. So anytime in this context that I hear 404 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: that sound, I don't have to become cognizant of it. 405 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: Now apparently you did. You kind of like fell into 406 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: cognizance like here or there, and like you'd notice it again. 407 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: But for a normal human being, when you're exposed to 408 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: something like that over and over again, the less you 409 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: notice it. But like we said, with the hum, the 410 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: more you're exposed to it, the easier it is to 411 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: tune in. And what that's called no, And not only 412 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: can you not escape it, you can catch it easier 413 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: and easier, Like you can become cognizant of it easier 414 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: and easier the more you're exposed to it, And that's 415 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: called sensitization, where I guess another explanation for the Thus, 416 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: the sufferers of the hum, if they are hearing something, 417 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that it drives them so baddy 418 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: is because their habituation levels are low, but they're sensitive. 419 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Sensitization levels are high, so they're not able to ignore it, 420 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: and some part of their brain is focusing in on 421 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: and this creates this, I guess, a perfect storm of holaciousness. 422 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well, right after this break, um, I did 423 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: mention murder. So we're gonna talk about one of them 424 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: more interesting parts of the effects of the HUM right 425 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: after this. All right, So I mentioned murder, like I said, 426 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: and one of the things that UM. What is the 427 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: guy's name, Steve Collaz. He's a mechanic. He's a mechanical 428 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: engineer and HUM investigator in Connecticut. And I believe he 429 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: was the one that traced UM the windsor home to 430 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: Zug Island and he has done UM some research that 431 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: he believes the HAM and others believe the HAM could 432 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: be responsible for UM well for killing other people, UH, 433 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: specifically in his case. He actually approached Connecticut State police 434 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: investigators after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, 435 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: and he said the HUM from a nearby gas pipeline 436 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: might have driven Adam Lanza two well, have contributed to 437 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: driving him to do something like this. And I don't 438 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: think he's saying this made him crazy so he did this. 439 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: I think he's saying, fragile minded people could be pushed 440 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: over the edge. It could be the last straw for somebody. UM. 441 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much credence it has, but 442 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: investigators did at least include that in the documents they 443 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: released to the public, so they thought it was worthy 444 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: enough to put in, you know, among the seven thousand 445 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: other documents to release to the public. And he's not 446 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the only one. Um, remember the Navy yard shooting in 447 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: Aaron Alexis, he fully came out and said, um, quote, 448 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: Ultra low frequency attack is what I've been a subject 449 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: to for the last three years, I'm sorry three months, 450 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: and to be perfectly honest, that is what has driven 451 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: me to this end. Quote. And he scrawled and scratched 452 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: E l F on the shotgun barrel that he used 453 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: to kill twelve people at the Washington Navy Yard and 454 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: he yeah, and he scratched my E l F weapon 455 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: on the stock I think yeah. And um, basically, conspiracy 456 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: theorists would say, well, this is clearly driving people to 457 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: do things like this. Skeptics are gonna say, no, these 458 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: people are delusional and they're the ones who believe the 459 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: government is shooting them with these U E l F 460 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: tones and driving them crazy. But either way, it's a 461 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: little startling that someone would scratch that in their shotgun 462 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: before they did something like this and blame it on 463 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: that outright, But that that raises another point, like, you know, 464 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: how exposed was he to those conspiracy theories? Gut A 465 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: lot of people would say, well, there, you know, there's 466 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: a Yahoo group dedicated to the HUM. There's that one 467 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: world HUM map and database, and like people who go 468 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: see these things, I mean, are they are they just 469 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: suggestible and they're like, oh yeah, I can hear it too. Um. 470 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: David Deming points out, like, that's crazy. The idea that 471 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: people are tuning into this thing that's having a really 472 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: um diminishing effect on their well being as part of 473 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: just a mass delusion or something like that kind of 474 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: goes against this the typical psychology of mass delusion where 475 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: people join crowds to be to get some sort of 476 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: positive benefit or effect from it. You can argue they're 477 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: they're getting they're feeling a sense of inclusion or whatever 478 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: by saying I hear the HUM too. Ben in a 479 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: very small minority. But apparently if you are a HUM sufferer, 480 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: like your life is screwed up and you're not a 481 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: happy person. Yeah, I will say this. One thing I've 482 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: noticed about conspiracy theorists is not of them ever believe one. Yeah, 483 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: it seems like they believe a lot of them, you know. Uh, 484 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say about that. Well, 485 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: there's one other thing. So not only is this driving 486 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: people crazy, there is evidence that if this does exist, 487 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: if there is something that, um, if there's some sort 488 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: of what's called low frequency noise that's in the environment, 489 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: it is, it's everywhere, but if people are are being 490 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: exposed to it, there's evidence that biologically speaking, it can 491 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: have an impact. And they're just happened to be this 492 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: incredible real world laboratory that's sprung up in Portugal in 493 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: the late seventies because a guy named Castello Bronco was 494 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: put in charge of the Portuguese Air Forces maintenance, repair 495 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: and manufacturing plant. It's called ogma UM or I don't 496 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know Portuguese accent or else I do it, 497 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: but we'll just call it ogma um. And he happened 498 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: to just be sitting there and he watched a aircraft 499 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: technician wander around aimlessly in what apparently looked a lot 500 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: like an epileptic seizure to this doctor. And it was 501 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: during in what's called an aircraft run up procedure where 502 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: they're like going through all the systems and this guy 503 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: was just standing there and all of a sudden, he's 504 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: wandering around. So he looked into it and found that 505 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: ten of the workers at this aircraft repair shop were 506 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: diagnosed with late onset epilepsy. And if you look at 507 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: this population and compared to the population of Portugal at large, 508 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: not you wouldn't expect ten percent to have it. You'd 509 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: expect point two percent to have it. So the fact 510 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people who are being 511 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: diagnosed with this really um led them to believe that 512 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: they were exposed to this low frequency noise or that 513 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: it was having a dangerous effect on them. And this 514 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: one guy who was a worker there got really into 515 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: did in all this, and he created a living will. 516 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: His name was Phelippe Pedro, and Phelippe Pedro was like, 517 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: you cut me open the moment I die. And doing 518 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: autopsy and they found this guy was messed up, like 519 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: his his ajora, his heart was thicken, the walls were 520 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: thickened inexplicably chi yeah, pretty much, um, but no, that 521 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: would be explicable. Oh so he was a very healthy person. 522 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: Then apparently what they found doesn't jibe with his lifestyle 523 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: he was he was diagnosed with late onset epilepsy. He 524 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: died at age fifty eight. Um he had a thicken 525 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: he had thickened heart tissue, he had a tumor and 526 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: his kidney, he had a tumor in his liver. Um 527 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: And apparently, now thanks to this guy and his autopsy, 528 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: he kind of like laid the groundwork for this investigation 529 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: into low frequency noise being dangerous for humans even though 530 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: we don't feel anything, but on a cellular level, being 531 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: exposed to this stuff has these effects. Um. So, apparently, 532 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: if you have thickening of your heart tissue without any 533 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: kind of inflammation response, um, that is a classic sign 534 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: of low frequency noise damage. It's what's called uh vibro 535 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: acoustic disease, which certain people may be susceptible to and 536 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: others are not. In theory, supposedly, anyone exposed to it 537 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: would be susceptible to it. The way that it ties 538 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: into the hum is some people might actually be able 539 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: to hear what they're being exposed to, while while most 540 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: people might not. So we're all exposed to it. Then. Yeah, 541 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: the in this article, I can't remember the name of it, 542 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: but it was. It was basically an overview of this 543 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: this um aircraft place by some Portuguese scientists. Um. They 544 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: they said, it's almost impossible to get a control group 545 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: to compare because everybody's exposed to low frequency noise, just 546 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: most of us aren't aware of it. Yeah, it's just everywhere, 547 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: but it's not considered a nuisance except for that two 548 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: to eleven of poor people who suffer from hearing the hume. Right, 549 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: and their accounts differ wildly as well. Uh So that's 550 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: it's tough to study, and you can't get funding to 551 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: study because it's French science unless you're in Canada. So 552 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: they say, turn a fan on at night. Really, that's 553 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: what one guy does. Makes sense, Yeah, turn on a 554 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: fan or like some sort of like they need white 555 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: noise to john it out and that helps. But yeah, 556 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: get that up, get the white noise out. That's what 557 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: I sleep to. Uh again, go read the awesome article 558 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: by Jared Keller. Yeah, Life Science had a couple of 559 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: good articles yeah. Um, and then David Demming has the 560 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: hum and Anomalous Sound Heard round the World. Uh. And 561 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: then if this kind of stuff floats your boat, you 562 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: might want to check out some of our friends sites 563 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: to um there's a great podcast by our friend Roman 564 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: mars n in Visible, who would be able to explain 565 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the science behind this kind of thing. 566 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: One No, but it's kind of up his alley, like 567 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: the vibro Acoustic Shard. I can totally see him getting 568 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: into that. And I just think if somebody dug that, 569 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: they dig n in Visible and then damn interesting. Another 570 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: great site that would definitely have probably has something about 571 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: the home on it. Yeah, and watch the X Files. 572 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, our pal molder. Uh and of course 573 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: you can um hang out at how stuff works. You 574 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: can just type the home in. I don't think it'll 575 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: bring up an article, but see what happens. Yeah, we 576 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: don't have one yet. No, but uh yeah, type home 577 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: into the search bar and see what comes up. It's 578 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: just a fun game. And since I said the search bar, 579 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call it this 580 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: um limousine ranch. Hey guys, I finally have a story 581 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: for you after listening for over five years. I live 582 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: in super rural South Dakota, not just a regular rural 583 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: South Dakota. My town is only about people and it 584 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: is the largest town within a hundred miles radius. The 585 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: main business here is agriculture and ranching a big surprise. 586 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: After I married my plumber husband from St. Louis, we 587 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: moved back to my little hometown six years ago, where 588 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: we started a plumbing business. He started a plumbing business. 589 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: Shortly after moving here, we got a call to go 590 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: to Anderson's limousin ranch limousine ranch with no E on 591 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: the end. After driving out to the country and lots 592 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: of gravel roads, later, he came up on the ranch 593 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: and failed to see any limos He said he couldn't 594 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: figure out where all the limousines were, uh, and why 595 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: there would be a limousine company dealership in the middle 596 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: of nowhere on an Indian reservation, I guess. He asked 597 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: the owners and they explain that they run limousine cattle 598 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: on their ranch, which I looked up. It's a type 599 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: of cattle from the Limousine region of France. They don't 600 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: look like they're wearing cloaks or anything. Now, my brother 601 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: and I teased them for quite some time on this 602 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: to get a mental image of the absurdity. Imagine the 603 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: vast prairie of dances with as or fargo and then 604 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: expect to see a limousine dealership out there, um or 605 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: just a bunch of limousines is kind of meandering around 606 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: the fields. That sounds like something that would happen in Fargo. 607 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: That's very Coen Brothers esque but not. Kevin Costner asking 608 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: that he's pretty self serious. Yeah, he didn't look like 609 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: he has much of us since humor, does he? I 610 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know. He was in Bull Durham. It's funny. Well, yeah, 611 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: back in the day when he was Bible. I watched 612 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: the preview only for that movie Draft Day that he 613 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: did recently. Yeah, I can barely make it through the preview. 614 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: The preview built it up. They were like, I can't 615 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: believe he's doing it. Is he really going to do this? 616 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: And it's about the NFL Draft and he's like a 617 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: GM and they built it up to this thing, and 618 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: finally I was It was when it was in the 619 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: movie theater the preview. I leaned over to my buddy 620 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: Scotty who you know, and I was like, like, what 621 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: does he do? Does he like open fire on the 622 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: room and like shoot people or is it just some 623 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: sort of trade it's a team. Yeah, but they were 624 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: building up like I can't leave this is happening. Ye 625 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie? No, what was Scott's 626 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: take on it? He just laughed and said, yeah, exactly. 627 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like our Scott. That's he's the guy that 628 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: laughs at things like that. Um. That is from Jennifer Coleman. Oh, 629 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: I forgot we were even doing Listen to mail. That's right, Jennifer, 630 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: And Um, you should tease your husband for that. That's 631 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: pretty funny stuff. And he should stick to the plumbing business. 632 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah for real, not the limousine company finding business. 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