1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: What was your first concert that I attended? 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that I went to, Uh it was it was 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: Adam and the Ants and at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: New Jersey in nineteen eighty. 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I was ten, and I I, you know, I was 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: a fan. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: I think probably more from like early MTV at that point, 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Like I wasn't you know, going to other punk shows 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: or anything. But I was aware of it, like Ben's 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: like the jam and stuff I knew, you know, just 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: because I don't know, like I paid attention to the 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: radio and there was a lot of good like independent 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: radio around here. And I remember asking my dad if 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: I could go to this show, and for so many 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: years it seemed crazy that he took me. 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: And then I realized, like, oh. 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: He was like thirty two, like thirty one or something like, 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: you know, he was still a young guy essentially himself, 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: like you know, when I was a teenage like, yeah, 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: do you believe my dad took me to go see it? 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean, so I was like, oh, you know, by 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: the time I was forty, I was like, oh, he 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: was like ten years younger than I am now, you 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: know right right? 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,639 Speaker 1: Was he was? He into it? Yeah? He enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: what did he listen to? 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: Uh? You know, uh the Beatles, who Bob Dylan, that 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: kind of stuff, some like you know, weirdly like you know, 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: I got kind of turned onto reggae by him, but 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: mostly mostly you know your basic Beatles, who axis you know? 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Did were you playing music at that time? 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Uh? 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Not really, I I was. I was taking some piano lessons. 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: And mostly I was just walking, probably annoying everybody with 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: how much I was. I would sing, but I didn't 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: really pick up a guitar until I was like a 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: senior in high school. 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: So sing singing was like the natural thing coming out 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: of you first almost Yeah, yeah, that tracks, that tracks. 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: I appreciated that. 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: Do you do you remember having a feeling that that 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: ten year old kid being like that that right there? 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I do. But here's the crazy thing. 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: So and this, you know, this kind of loops around 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: to the internet era because I remember the opening band 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: so well. They were this power pop group that I 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: later learned was from Richmond, Virginia called Single B A Theory. 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: And they were, I mean they were you know, they 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: were kind of like cheap, tricky, like they were just 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: like the super tight tons of Hooks powerpop band. It 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: had this one song called which I'll tell you it 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: was called keep It Tight, and I never forgot it. 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: It's like one of those rare things where from nineteen 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: eighty until, you know, when I finally I wasn't in 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: front of a computer and you know, remembered to look 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: it up. Like thirty years later, I had the chorus 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: of this song you Gotta key bit like, you know, 58 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: just like rolling around in my head and I was 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: finally able to look them up and you know, find 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: out where they were from, and there's like a video 61 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: for the song and et cetera. And that was the 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: thing that stuck with me. I mean, I remain a 63 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: big I actually remain kind of a big Adam and 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: the Nants fan, but it was that opening band song 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: that stuck with me, and I think gave me more 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: of the sense of what you're talking about, because, you know, 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: with all the. 68 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: With all the makeup and the. 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: The the you know, pirate costumes and stuff like Adam 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: and the Answer were a little more theatrical, but this 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: was just like this is just like a band. You know, 72 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: this is like cheap trick, bad Finger, you know, just 73 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: like getting out there hooks la guitars, and I think 74 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: that that was what that gave me a little bit 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: more of a sense of like, oh, there's you know, 76 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: a whole this this stuff that I that I am 77 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: attracted to, like you know, it's ongoing, and there's a 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: whole world of people who are just doing it, you know, 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: and they're not superstars and et cetera. 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: And I wonder too because what you just described I 81 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: feel like I still look for on a night out 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: or or I'm on a bill or anything, and that 83 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: it accesses this primal response to music that doesn't need 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: the preconceived media hype, which is a construct of you 85 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: know that that that is modern essentially like a three 86 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: hundred year construct, right that you would know who Mozart 87 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: is and you had enough money to get to a performance, 88 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: or you would you know who the Beatles are. You 89 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: have expectations on adam ant, you have a built up 90 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: narrative when you're there. You have no narrative on this 91 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: thing in front of you, and they happen to be 92 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: badass and have a hook and be authentic in front 93 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: of you, and it access that thing that we all 94 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: deserve that we lose sight of in. 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: Media arts. 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I think you're right about that. It's a 97 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: very it's a very what's the word. It's primal, not 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: in like a maybe a little bit in like an 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: amygdalo like lizard brain response sense, but also just in 100 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: the sense that it's it's it's it's at that early 101 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: forming stage, you. 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Know, before. 103 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: Before media exists much for you, before those narratives start 104 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: to develop, you know, to cohere around what you're doing, 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: whether driven by you or not. 106 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: Right, right, And it's maybe with the ubiquity of just 107 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: we're all connected. You know, five six billion of us 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: are all connected now through some degree of separation. I 109 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: just worry about that atrophy all the time. Yeah, And 110 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: when I pass a lizard in a cage, I'm just like, 111 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: you're so lucky you have that whole lizard brain. 112 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Just that's all that you have to deal with, the 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: other half. Right, Son's over here, That's where I'm moving 114 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: my head. 115 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you do you have a favorite town to play? 116 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: Not like where you you have the best audience or 117 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: anything like that, but just like you know, you're going 118 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: to this town in the United States and you're gonna 119 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: have a spiritual ted Leo time like a U time. 120 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: That's a little tough, having having been to most places 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 2: a lot of times. You know, uh, I kind of center, 122 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: you know, I have I have done. I have gone 123 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: through stretches where the breaking from the tour herd walk, 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: you know, solo walk becomes really important. Most of the time, 125 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: I do kind of especially these days, I do kind 126 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: of stick with the herd. I like to stay in 127 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: the milieu of the you know, of the show. But 128 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: I used to explore a lot more. And so the 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: return to these places, you know, where I had discovered 130 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: this cool little art museum or this great little vegan restaurant. 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: You know, they become a little bit mythologized in your 132 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: in your own head, you know. And sometimes that return 133 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: is great, and sometimes that return is a bummer because 134 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: it's not it doesn't have the magic of that you know, 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: you're hoping to reconnect with it the first time you 136 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: went there, or. 137 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: It's gone, you know. But yeah, yeah, good, oh, go ahead. 138 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: No, I mean I never thought of what you just 139 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: said about the being with the herd and everything that 140 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: I've never really I don't think I've had a conversation 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: about that importance both important, right, Yeah, that the feeling 142 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: of rolling into a new town to play, or a 143 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: new region or a new place and just going for 144 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: a walk where you're not thinking, but that's two miles away. 145 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: You just walk because you have no. 146 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: Idea, yep, and you're just gone and they're like Or 147 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: you finish a sound check and like, hey, where can 148 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: I go to a byte? And I go to this place, 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna walk and I don't end up at 150 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: that place. I just end up somewhere else, and I 151 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: don't care anymore. Especially the more foreign places to me, 152 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: the less I'm judging my experience, and then I have 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: a better experience I haven't made in itinerary or not 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: looking for that place that was awesome last time. 155 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: Right right? 156 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: You know these are I mean, I'm I'm assuming that 157 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: this might be of interest to the listeners of your 158 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: particular podcast and might not. It might be a little 159 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: inside baseball for for some people. But like the different 160 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: you know ways, like logistically of touring affect this as well, 161 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: because if you're on a bus and you arrive in 162 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: it in a new town in the morning, you have 163 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: some time, you know, you have some time to explore. 164 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: If you're on a on a van tour in a 165 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: kind of punker scene where shows are later and there's 166 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: not this like regimented sound check scenario. Drives are maybe 167 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: a little shorter most of the time. You have more 168 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: time to explore if you're kind of in that in 169 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: that like we're selling a few records, like we're drawing 170 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: a few hundred people. We're in a van, but everything's 171 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: a little tighter. Yeah, the shows are the shows are 172 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: earlier because we're older and because that's what the venues 173 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: do at this you know size, Like you get there, 174 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: you load in, you sound check, there's maybe two hours 175 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: before the first band, if you know. If that and 176 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: if you want to be around for that, there's not 177 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: a lot of time, you know, not a lot of 178 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: time to explore anymore. And then the show's over and 179 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: you got to go to bed. So it's a it 180 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: changes your relationship to traveling. 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: When I got approached to do this podcast, like, yeah, 182 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: you just talk about all the experiences, like I just 183 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: want to explain the experience of somebody working traveling around 184 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: into the place. Yeah, And I spent the summer following 185 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: a bus in a car with me and one other 186 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: person which is driving setting yourself up, merching, yourself, checking, playing, talking, 187 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: selling back in the car, hotel, wake up, drive, follow 188 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: a bus. 189 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, you know it's it's these 190 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: days for many many reasons, like I don't do I 191 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: don't really do the like six seven week tours four 192 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: times a year, five times a year that I that 193 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 2: I did twenty years ago. But but building in a 194 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: day off every every now and then in a in 195 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: a place where you're maybe going to get some of 196 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: that fun. Mystery again is it's kind of like I 197 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: do think about that ahead of time, you know, I'll 198 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: say recently, like in an answer to your original question about this, 199 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't remember what two towns we were driving between, but. 200 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: Back in twenty eighteen. 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, late twenty seventeen, I was doing one of 202 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: the two the only two bus tours that I've ever 203 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: done under my own name, and uh, you know, we 204 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: we needed a day to get from wherever it was, 205 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: like Atlanta to New Orleans or something, and we stopped 206 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: in Jackson, Mississippi, and had a day off. And that 207 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: was exactly one of those situations where you're like, I 208 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: guess I'm just gonna walk because I'm just gonna walk around, 209 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, and then eventually, like you find, you find someone, 210 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: You listen to some things, you look at some flyers 211 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: on the wall. You know, somebody tipped somebody in our 212 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: band off to this like speakeasy that opens up in 213 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: the back of a pharmacy at ten pm, you know, 214 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: and yeah, it goes through the through the nights, so 215 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: like you stumble upon this actually cool thing and and 216 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: and that create you know that that will forever be 217 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: the you know, one of those magical days off or 218 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: when I used to when I was touring with Amy 219 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: a lot anyman for the listeners like both as when 220 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: we did our band the both and also times when 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: I would when I would travel opening for her, we 222 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: made it a real point to find an art museum 223 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: like wherever wherever we were that was those were bus tours, 224 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: so you had many many hours in the day because 225 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: it's it's a way to like sort of stay in 226 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: a in a creative space talk, you know, have conversations 227 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: about art, but not be in the black box of 228 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: the rock club with. 229 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: That, you know, all day and all night, and. 230 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: That that's like that's something that presents really fun magical 231 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: things because maybe you're in a small town, maybe it's 232 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: a it's a tiny museum, but you find one corner 233 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: where there's something really cool that you've never seen before, 234 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: you know, and uh it it really like it just 235 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: gives you. It gives you life that can just drain 236 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: out of you if you if you're just on the 237 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: grind the whole time. 238 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I got that habit from Chemo and 239 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: Kirk who play Case with Amy a lot. 240 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Doing the museums. Oh that's cool, that's great. Yeah. 241 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: And uh and also you're just you're in the legacy 242 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: of art and you're like that thing on that wall 243 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: is someone's effort, Like I'm putting effort in now, and 244 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 3: you just. 245 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: Have a little bit more. 246 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: Continuation and continuity of feeling okay about it. Because also 247 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: on the road, you there's it's just this bipolar thing 248 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: of down not only the downtime and work of one 249 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: hour to two hours a night or something like that, 250 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: but bad night to good night, all this stuff being 251 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: away from from not only just loved ones, but the 252 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: source sometimes if your love is the source, right, uh, 253 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 3: and uh so sometimes feeling that connection, Uh, it's just 254 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: a little bit moremental health. 255 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it will. I mean I know that you you 256 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: who who tours solo solo a lot like I do, 257 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: must also know like I've always you just said bipolar, 258 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: and I have always called it like it's it's touring 259 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: alone alone is super manic. 260 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: You know. 261 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: It's like when things are when things are up, it's 262 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: really up. 263 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, it can be. 264 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: Like the greatest thing, like you're meeting new people, you 265 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: have this great show. You know, when things are low, 266 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: there's you got nowhere to go other than the driver's 267 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: seat of your car, you know, and think that. 268 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: Can get pretty. 269 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: Low if you don't have an appreciation for the driver's 270 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: seat of your car. 271 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and for doing those check ins or having 272 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: something like that. And when you when you are solo touring, 273 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: it's like, well, I don't. 274 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: Deserve you have so much more work to do. There's 275 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: no one to lean on. 276 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: Or even if it's like I just did, like I said, 277 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: I was following a big band with a bus and 278 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: I want a tour manager with me, but still was 279 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: it was a lot of work just that two of us. 280 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And uh, it. 281 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: Is those little things of within a town or you know, 282 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: be it the museum or the food place, or the 283 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: bookstore or a record store, something something like. 284 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: That, just to have some sanity of it all. Is 285 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: there are there? What are some rooms? You know what? 286 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: I just on this on this tour that I played 287 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: the Uptown Theater in Kansas City. 288 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: I think it's Uptown Theater could be Yeah, that sounds right. 289 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: And and had a night off when you speak of 290 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: night offs, And I went to the Green Lady. Have 291 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: you ever been the Green Lady in Kansas City? The 292 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: jazz well, it's it's one of those things. Was like, 293 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: all right, I want to tell everyone, and I don't 294 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: want to tell everyone, and you feel like we are 295 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: all going to be all right if we could all 296 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: just spend some time in the Green lad It's two 297 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: floors of jazz, all original, not like jazz covers, but 298 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: like these outfits from I think four in the afternoon 299 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: until two am. Different bands, right, yeah, two different bands 300 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: upstairs and downstairs. Another place called the Black Dolphin, I 301 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: believe next door, which is a little bit more modern design, 302 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: but the Green Lady's been around forever. It's red and orange. Inside. 303 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: Every lamp is different, you know, the puffy couches. Everyone 304 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: in America is in there. And I was there at 305 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: seven o'clock on my off night because I'm like, I 306 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: heard I have to go here. Yeah yeah, and everywhere 307 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: all of America is in there, and I mean every 308 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: kind of person, every demographic. An eighty year old couple 309 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: on a date nice and a twenty year old looking 310 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: twenty two year old looking to hook up and like 311 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: meet some somebody, and they're all there, And I thought, 312 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: I don't I. 313 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Don't know a lot of places like this, especially in America. 314 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And it didn't, and it didn't 315 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: and it wasn't like, uh, you know, Disnified or Bozeman. 316 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: Not at all. Yeah, not at all. 317 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: And and it's one of those things is often like 318 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 3: a night off, I will have that whole the up 319 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: and down bipolarists will will creep in. It's like I 320 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: should be working, I'm not doing anything, or I'm away 321 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 3: from my loved ones, and I don't want to be like, hey, 322 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go kick it around town. But then 323 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: I just had this great positive jazz America experience that's 324 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 3: almost one little room that's really great. Next time I go. 325 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: Next time I go there, it'll be closed. 326 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: So I don't say that. 327 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: No, it's been around forever. It's a thriving, thriving place. 328 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: But what is are there rooms as far as performing? 329 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: Like performing, Like I've never played Value Hall? You just 330 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: played there with Did the Chisel tour go through time? 331 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: No? 332 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: But I played there with the with my band the 333 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: Pharmacists back back in on that twenty seventeen tour that 334 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: I was just talking about, Yeah, or maybe later, that. 335 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: Just seems like to like, that's one of my rooms, 336 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: Like I haven't played that. I was like, that just 337 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: got seems like a magical room. I always love playing 338 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: the Metro. Yeah, I always love playing the Paradise or 339 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: the Sinclair and Bosson. You know, plenty of places. But 340 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: do you have do you what's your magic list in America? 341 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. 342 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Chisel did play the Sinclair and 343 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: it's interesting that was my first time there, and uh 344 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: it was. 345 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: It was a really nice show. It was fun. 346 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: But one of the one of the amazing things was 347 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: more than one person remarked And you don't get told 348 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: this very often from even your friends, you know, like 349 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: they might say you sound good, but it's very rare 350 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: that they say it sounded so good, you know, and 351 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: I had a couple of people tell me like it 352 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: sounded like it was already pressed on vinyl, like how 353 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: it was. 354 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Coming out of the of the PA. 355 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's amazing, all right, you know, 356 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: thumbs up to the to the Sinclair for that. We 357 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: just did the Summerville h Ballroom, the Crystal Ballroom. 358 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: I just played the other night. That was great. It 359 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: was beautiful sounding race. 360 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds great in that room and that here 361 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to something like also for people who follow 362 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: the show, and I think people who we are speaking 363 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: to a little bit of the converted in sound of 364 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: our town for the most part, but I feel like 365 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: they need it's also good to speak to the converted 366 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: so they know that it's important to be converted and 367 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: know how important a lifestyle of engaging with live music is, 368 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: especially when everyone's complaining about Spotify and all these things, 369 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 3: Like we have the power to invest in the arts 370 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: when you participate in live music and not let anybody think. 371 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: I always want to instill in any listener this show 372 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: that not only a sense of gratitude, but uh, it's 373 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: a really powerful thing to participate in live music and 374 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: you're can you're continuing something ancient, But that's way off 375 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: track about what I was going to say about music rooms. 376 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: But I want to share some of these little details 377 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: that a room, like the Crystal Ballroom, something about its design. 378 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: I always like when a room when you're sound checking 379 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: and you're hearing reflections back as well as your monitor, 380 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: and it's a really nice and you have this great 381 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: sound check and then it fills with people and all 382 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: you have is monitor. Yeah, and the ballroom stays a 383 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: little bit live and comes back at you. A good 384 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: theater which will always do absolutely, But some rock clubs 385 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: and some smaller rooms like die once you walk out 386 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: and there's people. 387 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: Yea. The ballroom can fill with people in it and 388 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: it cycles back at you. 389 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: And I love that, Yeah, yes, absolutely that that's you know, 390 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: I mean, for better or for worse, probably for worse. 391 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't use in your monitors, And 392 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: it's precisely for that reason, because like I really do 393 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: kind of feed off the the bing around of the 394 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: of the stage and in the room a little bit. 395 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: And and I really appreciate exactly what you're saying when 396 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: you can feel that. I think other rooms for me, 397 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, just like a little bit of context when 398 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: I started playing under my own name in I guess 399 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: late late nineties, like I had just been in a 400 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: couple of other bands in the nineties, including Chisel, who 401 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: we mentioned, and me starting to play under my own 402 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: name was like. 403 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: It was. 404 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: It was in a way, it was like degrading, uh 405 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: not degrading the sense of devaluing, but just like dropping 406 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 2: it down a few notches to hobbyist in a way. 407 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: Like I was just like, you know, I want to 408 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: keep playing music, Like I'm kind of done. I'm done 409 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: with being in bands. I'm done with like playing the game. 410 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: I'm done with trying trying to do much with this 411 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: other than to just do it. So I started playing 412 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: solo gradually, you know, wanted to have want to be 413 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: playing with people again, and gathered this band around me 414 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: that has has had a core for a long time 415 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: but has had more fuzzy edges where people come and 416 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: go call the pharmacists, and and then you know, as 417 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: it goes with these things, like something happened, like once 418 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: I sort of gave all, gave all that striving up, 419 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: things started happening. And in the early two thousands, I'm 420 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: gonna like take New York, Boston in DC as as examples, 421 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: because this is where it really happened. You know, we 422 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: could see we're on tour. We toured a lot back then, 423 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: and you could see, you know, every six months, you 424 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: could see the progress of of like the growing audience 425 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: for what we were doing, and so and you would 426 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: map out venue by venue, so it would be like, 427 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: you know, upstairs at the Middle East or Brownies in 428 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: New York, or the backstage at the Black Cat in 429 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: DC for like a year and then it's just like 430 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: we can't we literally can't play there anymore, Like we 431 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: have to go downstairs in the Middle East or you 432 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: know where what a Bowery ballroom in New York and 433 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: the main stage of the Black At in DC. And 434 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: and it was it was perhaps one of the only 435 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: times in my life. And I feel very like, you know, 436 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: you mentioned gratitude and the last thing, and that's that's 437 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: what jogged this in my head, because you know, one 438 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: of the only times in your life were my life 439 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: where I could see this happening and it felt it 440 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: felt amazing because you know, we had gone we had 441 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: started putting out records with Lookout records like the Venerable 442 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: West you know East Bay Punk label who had some resources, 443 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: so we were we were like on a decent sized label. 444 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: But other than that, like we still really weren't doing 445 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: anything other than just you know, trying to make music. 446 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: And it was connecting and it was the first you know, 447 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: we like I said, like we started having you know, 448 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: we could you could map like venue size by every 449 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: six months, like what we were we were doing back then. 450 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: And then there was a. 451 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: Time when we were we were going to play the 452 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: Valery Ballroom and we needed to add a second night 453 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: and both nights sold out, and that to me was 454 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: like this kind of amazing mountain top because it really really, 455 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: it really really felt like, you know, we were still 456 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: pretty out of the spotlights such as it was. You know, 457 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: this was like the era of the Strokes and everything, 458 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we weren't get we weren't getting 459 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: that kind of press, We weren't getting that kind of play. 460 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: You know, ninety percent of the people you talk to, 461 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: if not ninety nine percent. 462 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: Of the people you talk to. This is the era 463 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: where you. 464 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: Get on a plane with the guitar and the flight 465 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: at ten is like, oh, should I know you and 466 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: you're like probably not know, like maybe you should, but 467 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 2: I mean my life exactly. Yeah, yeah, I mean you 468 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: should maybe, but like I don't expect you to. 469 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, if you're leading a healthy lifestyle, you would, 470 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: but no. 471 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: You don't know, right exactly, but that. 472 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: Kind of thing. It was also you know, it was 473 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: also the. 474 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: The beginning of the of the Iraq War years and 475 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, we we were known for I think, you know, 476 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: for for singing songs within that time. That that that 477 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: connected with people who were struggling to like live through 478 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: that time. And you could just feel this energy on 479 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 2: those two nights at the Bowery Ballroom that that. 480 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: Very much, uh was that kind of. 481 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: Positive community Catharsis where it like just creates this great 482 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: feedback loop of of good you know, of like sorrow 483 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 2: and love and you know, like we're in this together 484 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: and and we're actually all here and and to be 485 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: able to do you know, the Barry Barb is not 486 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: the biggest venue in the world, but it's. 487 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: It to do. 488 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: To be able to do two nights there, having like 489 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: come from like scuzzy basement punk world, you know. 490 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: It really. 491 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: It had less to do with me feeling like, hey, 492 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: we've made it than it did with like that, that 493 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: that absolute like reminder that there's power in music and 494 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: there's like community in music. That's what makes me do 495 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 2: it in the first place. Like, you know, I love 496 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: playing songs, I love hearing playing hearing the songs that 497 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: I love playing them, you know, like I could sit 498 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: here and play songs and it would it would lift 499 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: my mood and make me happy. But there's something very 500 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: special about connecting with an with an audience, with that 501 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: stuff that that that moment crystallized for me, and for 502 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: that reason, that venue will. 503 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: Forever be a very special place for me. 504 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: We were able to go back there this this past 505 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: September and do a show and it really really felt like, 506 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: you know, after many many years, I don't even remember 507 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: the last time we played there before that was, but 508 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: it really felt like a like a cool. 509 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: Homecoming, and it should be. It is like a. 510 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: If you're someone and I have friends who you know, 511 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: don't play music at all, but they go to more 512 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: shows probably than I've a paid right, you know, and 513 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: our ballroom should be one of those places. Like you 514 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: have to know it if you've yeah, you know, gone 515 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: to more than twenty shows a year in your life 516 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: in a way, and are you saying that you recognize 517 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: it even then? Are you saying yeah, or is it 518 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: it's also just grown more in power that you did 519 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: accomplished that, because it is an accomplishment. There's something about 520 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: the rooms where you can access the whites of everybody's 521 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: eyes when the lights like pop up a little bit, 522 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: and you know that that's the most that's the most 523 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: ancient part of the job. Recorded music is one hundred 524 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: year old phenomenon, which is nothing we were at the 525 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: and I'm of the opinion and this is another podcast 526 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: we could do another time, but we are now waving 527 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: goodbye to a renaissance of recorded music that you know, 528 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: there was a renaissance of water colors, and there's amazing 529 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: watercolor paintings being sold right now and the watercolor artists existing, 530 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: but the renaissance of it had passed that interesting and 531 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: and the technology of humans being able to record themselves 532 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: from from the basic acetate to the beatles to then 533 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: pro tools and now it's a now democratized across humanity. 534 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: Everyone's going to have it and it's important to I 535 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: think also recognize so you cannot wave goodbye. And it's 536 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: also maybe exciting because it should lead power, especially with 537 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: all these things that we're concerning ourselves with AI and Spotify, 538 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: payments and this, and that we have to remember the 539 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: real power and the real ancient job that we have 540 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: is what you described. 541 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think and I think, and I 542 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: think an answer to your question, I think I did 543 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: recognize it in the in the moment. I think that's 544 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: why it imprinted so strongly on me, you know, because 545 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: it's it's not something that is like rose colored glasses, 546 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: like in the moment of those two nights, the lengthy 547 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: moment of those two nights, I absolutely did feel it. 548 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: And you know, it's truly one of those things where 549 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: I can this ly say, like if I went to 550 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: my grave never having experienced exactly that again, I couldn't 551 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: I count myself. 552 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm like among a very. 553 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: Lucky group of people who got who maybe have gotten 554 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: to experience. 555 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: That that's wise and healthy and so true and important 556 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: to remember. 557 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: A band has a hard time being serious and I 558 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: kind of have like a Rolodex band, you know, like 559 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: in a drummer in La and drummer in Chicago and. 560 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Just to do this. 561 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: But I was joking around the other night. I was go, Okay, guys, 562 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: let's go out and honor every bloodline that is running 563 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: through our bloods. Aren't every amoeba, every humanoid, not just 564 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: the bipeds. They all existed, and you know how excited 565 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: they be to be able to walk out into a 566 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: room of people and play music right now. And and 567 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: I was a joking. We all like, we're just making 568 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: silly jokes about it. 569 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is something very. 570 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: Rare about doing it, and especially you just said, you know, two, three, 571 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: four and five, and right now it's just like this 572 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: this century in general, it's a really important job because 573 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: the Renaissance was thriving. 574 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Back then. 575 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: We felt connected over the radio and people felt, you know, 576 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: the way people talk about Starch and Pepper's coming out, 577 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: or the way I felt when I remember when Okay, 578 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: computer came. 579 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Out, and I was like, people are in line waiting 580 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: for this record, you know. 581 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: And we were having communical experiences within the renaissance, and 582 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: now we're not having communal experiences with recorded music. That 583 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: might have to be okay, not lamented and enjoy the 584 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: renaissance and and return to that fire pit, you know, 585 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: where you know, your other humanoid just killed an animal 586 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: and like you're using the bones to drop a sick 587 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: beat and your friend's carving up the wood, and Mammothon. 588 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: Says, that's a really great beat. Are you going to 589 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: do anything with that? 590 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I can, Yeah, I could you book some holes 591 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: in this one and get a little like ok arena 592 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: kind of thing going on exactly. 593 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been doing it forever. 594 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you felt, And that's that's what I hear too 595 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: when you when you describe. 596 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: It, that's yeah, that's that even like that even heightens 597 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: it for me to like. 598 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: It was already really high. 599 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: But now now I'm thinking of the the you know, 600 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: the the genetic material of Amieba's that you know that 601 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: you know, made made their way through to that moment somehow, 602 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: it's pretty heavy. 603 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: And when everyone should know what this is, like, this 604 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: is the morning for us. We're not imbibing on anything 605 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: right now. And I but I'll and I'll also say, 606 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: just to bring this full circle, what you just described 607 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: that probably time period, what year would you say that 608 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: show was? 609 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: I think that was as we've been talking, I realized 610 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: that that was probably five or oh six. 611 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: And I was, you know, sure, listening to the Strokes 612 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: and listening to a ton of things. 613 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: It was probably a site called e music, Oh yeah, 614 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 3: where I downloaded Shake the Sheets. 615 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: Oh nice, because I was looking. 616 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 3: For that thing that you also described with the band 617 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: that opened up for a man, right right, I'm looking 618 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: for show me something real that isn't being sent to 619 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: me right now, to tell me it's real. And that's 620 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: how I heard you for. 621 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: The first time. Made me cry. That's actually really nice. 622 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's that's like that is right in 623 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: line with what's become the theme of this you know, 624 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: which is that that kind of ongoing thing you know 625 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: that I mean, take take it back to the Amiba 626 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: and stop along the way at a single bullet theory 627 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: from Richmond, Virginia, you know, which led in some ways 628 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: to me making that album, led to you finding that album, 629 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: you know, et cetera. 630 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's people who are really good at being 631 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 3: in that one percent of successful artists, right there is 632 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: something in that world that makes you feel I would 633 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: just never be good at it, right, And we need 634 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: to know that there's an authentic way to art without 635 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 3: it being approved by the marketplace, I'll say for now, 636 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: in that process is everything for the artist. It is 637 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: the process of writing the song, process of playing the show, 638 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: process of recording it. Those processes where we are at 639 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: those highs of the bipolar wave of the experience, and the. 640 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: Results are the lie. Yeah, yeah, the results are not real. 641 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 3: I mean, and we're constantly robbed of the by a process, 642 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: by results. 643 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: I I can't go all the way there with you 644 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: only because as a as an also a fan of music, 645 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I have to. I have to honor 646 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: the fans response in some way, you know, like is 647 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: that is that re encounter to what you're saying or not. 648 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, no, no, no, I don't think. 649 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: I think I think that's a process of connectivity, like 650 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 3: you're saying, Okay, I would call that process as well. 651 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we're back on We're back on the We're 652 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: back totally totally. That would be that would be the 653 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: fourth uh fourth tier in this in this series. 654 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: But uh, but but you know case because you're just 655 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: alluding to like, oh, yeah, the strokes are happening at 656 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 3: that time and the stuff, and we were doing this. 657 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: But what you did, what you do and have done, 658 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: and all that to me is uh is uh extremely 659 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: pivotal like for not only the audience, but me as 660 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 3: the audience, and or people like me as the audience 661 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 3: who are artists like I need to see I need 662 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 3: to see ted Leo doing it. 663 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: I need to see you in the when it happens 664 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: to me and I saw you in the both and 665 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: all these other things. I don't know. I'm just I 666 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: I well, you know how I feel. I feel like 667 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: you felt at that adam antic concerts. 668 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: Well you should know that I feel the same way 669 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: about you. And I'm not just saying that our things 670 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: are going to run out of time. 671 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah, damn it. 672 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you, okay, just but we're done, like 673 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 3: we we we fixed everything. 674 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: I think we. I think we said a lot here. 675 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah. 676 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: It's a half hour show because live music is more 677 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: important than two dudes talking. 678 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, listen to this on your way 679 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: to the show. 680 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: Y, yeah, on your way to the show. And one 681 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 3: more thing, to everyone who's listened this season in the 682 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: prior season, thank you. And to anyone who has wandered 683 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 3: in the night, maybe in a strange town, saw a 684 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: marquee or a chalkboard or a flyer, just thought why 685 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 3: not pulled out a five ten or twenty thirty forty 686 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 3: bucks and went inside and just listened. You're pretty magical 687 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: if you've done that. 688 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: Wow. 689 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 3: Season two complete. 690 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? 691 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: Only you can decide share your favorite episodes follow this podcast. 692 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 3: I do have some extra surprises coming into the new year. 693 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: Leave a review wherever you get your podcasts, and just 694 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 3: send me a direct message of what you think I 695 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: should do. Where should we go, what happens next? What 696 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: cities do we cover? 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