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Speaker 1: I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen. Hi, Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Blackout Tips Podcast. I'm your host, Rod joined us always

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Speaker 1: on our co host Kim, and we're live on a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. Okay, we're giving me prime time late night podcasting. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what they do on the big channels, all right,

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Speaker 1: and it's a big day to day. Okay. Today is

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Speaker 1: the day that we recognize Optimus Prime died so that

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Speaker 1: the matrix of leadership could be passed the Rodamus Prime,

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Speaker 1: who would go on to say the future of the

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Speaker 1: entire universe from the planet eating unicrime where he defeated him.

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Speaker 1: And of course we celebrated with sales on Amazon because

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Speaker 1: that's what capitalism is all about in America. And in

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Speaker 1: addition to that, we got a guest. Today's guest is

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Speaker 1: comedian co host of the yub Nut podcast. We had

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Speaker 1: Tim Barnes on earlier this year and Emmy winning writer

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Speaker 1: who's written for The Late Show with Stephen Colbert last

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Speaker 1: week Tonight with John Oliver and My Favorite Game Theory

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Speaker 1: with Mamoni Jones and lifelong Phoenix Suns fan greg I

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Speaker 1: Whinsky what's up man?

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Speaker 2: Hey, how are you, sweetie?

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Speaker 1: I guess the obvious question to start with is what's

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Speaker 1: up with them sons?

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Speaker 2: Bro Robert Servers, the owner of the Son's his personal

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Speaker 2: private jet is flying to Teeterborough Airport tonight all shit.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, I've had the last month of

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Speaker 2: my life has been a disaster, and so I'm hanging

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Speaker 2: on this kid, I'm hanging on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The way y'all went out in the playoffs was

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Speaker 1: so just unceremonious, man like, just like like there's very

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Speaker 1: few times when like a loss deflates like a season

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Speaker 1: or franchise. That one felt like a all you bombs

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Speaker 1: can go type of angry loss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I had a I think I tweeted, man,

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Speaker 2: I was so mad. I tweeted a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 2: that I did not delete. I mean, I said, I

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Speaker 2: was like, I had I have a hard job too.

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Speaker 2: Could I show up to my job? There's a difference

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Speaker 2: between having a bad day at work and not showing

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Speaker 2: up to work. And so that Game seven, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you can't respect yourselves. I can't respect you. That's like

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Speaker 2: that you you write monologue jokes, and maybe there's some days.

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Speaker 2: They're all bad, but you wrote them right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That was like that was like showing up, leaving the

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Speaker 2: laptop closed and taking a nap at your desk.

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Speaker 1: That's the weirdest thing about that was the like report

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Speaker 1: that came out the next week that was like apparently

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Speaker 1: they had a COVID outbreak but they just played through it.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I don't know, maybe that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: What the fun was that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But also I think the Warriors had a COVID outbreak

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Speaker 2: in the round before when they couldn't shoot. But the

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Speaker 2: difference is they want yeah, like okay, yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: play through COVID. Then you still then still win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like at least show up, man, And Yeah, that.

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Speaker 2: Was that was there risks people's lives. Do it for

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Speaker 2: a shiny trophy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a purpose. But it sounds like you're

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Speaker 1: excited about my man KD trying to come to Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, I get that. I was.

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Speaker 1: It looks it's like this if you're the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league, if you're not Phoenix or Miami, then the

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Speaker 1: obvious thing is like this front running motherfucker just want

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Speaker 1: to go to the best two teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: But I don't blame them. You happen to be a

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Speaker 1: fan of one of those two teams, So like, what's

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing the Suns don't. Suns fans don't

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Speaker 2: ever think of themselves as the best team in the

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Speaker 2: Western in the league. So that like, when that point

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Speaker 2: was raised, I think people in Phoenix were like, what

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Speaker 2: do you mean he wants to go to the best team.

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Speaker 2: He wants to come to the Suns, the best team.

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Speaker 2: We have zero titles. We choked in the finals. We

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Speaker 2: follow that up by blowing a Game seven and the

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Speaker 2: biggest loss ever. Like, what kind of winning team is

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Speaker 2: he's coming to? No, he comes. We're losers far and

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Speaker 2: then we lose. So there's no like running. We haven't

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Speaker 2: won anything. We have zero trophies, we have no gold

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Speaker 2: tab on the back of the jersey. We have no

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Speaker 2: we did a parade in ninety three when we lost,

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Speaker 2: Like we don't. We are not winners. So in our minds,

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Speaker 2: it's not he's coming to a winner. It's oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: if we get him, can he can he beat the curse?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I get a win because it's but I say I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of sudden these fans are at the

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Speaker 2: same Moore. It's like I would do anything if you

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Speaker 2: cheat it. I wouldn't care give the other team COVID

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Speaker 2: like cut the tires in their bus, or like take

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Speaker 2: steroids or do change the rim. I don't care, Like

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Speaker 2: if they if we win a title and a year later,

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Speaker 2: it's like, did you know they cheated? Don't care shirt,

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Speaker 2: I have hats parade. I took my son to parade,

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Speaker 2: like that's we just don't care at this point. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if it's cheap. I don't care if it's

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Speaker 2: super team. Okay, I don't care. We just have to

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Speaker 2: win one. They can lose every season for the rest

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Speaker 2: of my life.

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Speaker 1: I that is the filling dog. I get it because

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Speaker 1: I always say that whenever the NCAA cracks down on

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Speaker 1: a college team that won a championship, like we are

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Speaker 1: vacating this Bowl, when I'm like, you can't vacate memories,

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Speaker 1: like no one cares about that shit.

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Speaker 2: Nope, but like the value that you get, Like they

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Speaker 2: took away Reggie Bush's heisman, but it's like he can

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Speaker 2: He's still just as marketable. Yeah, exactly, you can't take

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Speaker 2: away his The thing about these trophies, especially for people

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Speaker 2: of color, is like that's capitalist value. Yeah, Like even

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Speaker 2: that's like, like, I'm winning an Emmy was so huge

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Speaker 2: the few black people that have done it, all these things,

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Speaker 2: but also because that's capitalist value that they go in

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Speaker 2: and go, I'm propping this door open with this trophy exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I think for a lot of those guys and players,

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Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you could take the actual trophy away,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't do anything, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And not to make it too sport centric, but

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Speaker 1: I've just wanted to say, like, I know, me and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people had a couple of years while

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Speaker 1: I was a Sun's fan when Barkley was there because

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Speaker 1: he was my favorite player. He was a beast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like, you could not have to owe me. They

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Speaker 1: that was that was when I understood that the Sons

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Speaker 1: were a cursed franchise. When they didn't win that ring,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's just never gonna happen now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they if they had played defense for

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I watched that. I'll tell you what that uh, that

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Speaker 2: last dance thing came out and the text between Suns

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Speaker 2: fans it was like we we know it's coming. And

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Speaker 2: watching that last thirty seconds over again, man, I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize how bad that was. Like I saw it as

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Speaker 2: you know, eleven or nine years old. Whenever I'm crying,

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Speaker 2: but like watching it again, it hurt just as bad

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Speaker 2: because you're looking at the eight different places. If we

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Speaker 2: had done something different, then it's a game seven and

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Speaker 2: you're just like, man, that hurts so much. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then I and the crazy thing is then last summer,

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Speaker 2: I fly to Feenhoenix for uh. I fly to Phoenix

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Speaker 2: to go to finals game two. Yes, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know when this is ever gonna happen again. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go. And so I went and watched the game

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Speaker 2: with my dad on TV. But then I came back

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Speaker 2: the arena with some friends and we win, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: we're up too. Oh, this is the closest the Suns

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Speaker 2: have ever been to a title. All we have to

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Speaker 2: do is win one more game, and we're the closest

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Speaker 2: we've ever been, even if we lose three to four, Right,

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Speaker 2: it's that like we're tied for as close as we've

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Speaker 2: ever been. And then so then as it just slipped,

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, we all I've done is going

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Speaker 2: a full circle to nineteen ninety three. Yeah, we've been

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Speaker 2: two wins away, we've been Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Barkley, Uh, you of course had even though they didn't

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Speaker 1: make the finals, the infamous Steve Nash fight Suns team

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Speaker 1: that just that everyone in their chance.

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Speaker 2: And then of course it's latest was David Stern deciding

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is which is so ironic because you

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Speaker 1: know he also had decided that Chris Paul couldn't come

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Speaker 1: just was divving and dabbing in Chris Paul's career, I

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Speaker 1: mean throughout the throughout the league. But I can't lie. Man,

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Speaker 1: growing up as an ACC fan, a Carolina fan, I've

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Speaker 1: always hated Chris Paul. So like I was so scared,

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Speaker 1: did y'all were gonna win? Last year? Because I started

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Speaker 1: seeing people try to turn the todd and start talking

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Speaker 1: about respecting him. I was like, oh, what was this?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, yeah, I think my thing is like

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Speaker 4: the first year it was like, okay, he's gritty whatever,

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Speaker 4: and then the second last year, this this implosion.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, nah, dude, like yeah, it feels

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Speaker 2: like a rental. And it's like, even if they win,

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna be the greatest son of all time.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna be the greatest son point guard guard

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Speaker 2: of all time, right, you know, like and I know

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Speaker 2: there's people, oh, he's such one of the best point

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Speaker 2: like Steve Nash was a back to back m VP

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Speaker 2: and you know, was the that was the prototype for

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Speaker 2: the Warriors that changed the league. And and he did

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Speaker 2: it while he was Canadian. Yeah yeah. And then and

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Speaker 2: so you look at like like Chris Paul. It's like,

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Speaker 2: to me, Chris Paul's legacy is getting hurt, pretending he's

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Speaker 2: not hurt. Then once he loses, leaking to whoever or

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Speaker 2: whoever that he's hurt, and it's like it's just such again,

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Speaker 2: it's such a punk move, Like it like, Bro, if

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Speaker 2: we're in a writing room and you're like, hey, I

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Speaker 2: accidentally broke all my fingers. He can't type, But I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna be like no, no, I'm good and clack

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Speaker 2: And then once I'm like you got where show got canceled,

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Speaker 2: You're like, well, I was hurt. Just tell me you're

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Speaker 2: hurt someone else who's kind of competent. Like, look, campaign

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Speaker 2: can't dribble.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. Yeah, the thing and then the.

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Speaker 2: Third holiday was on that team and he didn't play

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 1: Yep. The thing from me, of course, is always gonna

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Speaker 1: be he was hitting people in the nuts like he

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Speaker 1: lost me.

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Speaker 2: That must have been Like, I mean, I'm a fighter,

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Speaker 2: so that that never bothers me when someone does it,

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Speaker 2: because if you're in a fight, you're in a fight.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a fighting, you see. That's the thing. If

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Speaker 2: No advantage with his foot, he kicked him. There's no

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never have respect for Carlo. You just named

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Speaker 2: But one thing that I mean, Draymond Green called called

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Speaker 1: I like, you know what's crazy about that? Though he

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Speaker 1: Like if he would have did it when he was

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Kendrick Is. He's leaning so

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Speaker 1: I love his voice. Now, I don't know. I mean, come,

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Speaker 1: He's such a good he's such a good he's such

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what are you doing? That's just how you You

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Speaker 2: know who watches ESPN. It's not all black people. It's

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Speaker 1: Well, that ain't his problem, Okay. He is a country

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Speaker 2: It's less and look, the voice is that bothers me.

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Speaker 2: What bothers me about Kendrick is you can clearly see

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Speaker 2: I did not. I did not.

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Speaker 1: Oh see, I'm about to put you on something, Greg,

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Speaker 1: You're about to take all this back.

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Speaker 2: This is this is crazy, okay, because because.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I will never say

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Speaker 5: It's the it's the it's the brothers with the teeths

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh gosh, yeah, here's all right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to put this on screen.

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Speaker 1: I won't play the whole thing, but I promise you,

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Speaker 6: Hey, Dre Mar you good? The fuck wrong with you?

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Speaker 6: Then you just win your four championship?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck you worried about me? Fuck?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 6: You mad? You mad? Because I'm doing it my way

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Speaker 6: and it's happened to work. I'm doing it my way.

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Speaker 6: I ain't gotta do it your way. I'm doing it

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Speaker 6: my way. But look, forget the old media, forget the

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Speaker 6: new media. I'm gonna stand by the old law, right,

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Speaker 6: and the old law says, ain't man, all that disrespect

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Speaker 6: You got me fucked up. Ain't nothing no coon about me,

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Speaker 6: Ain't no coonan ain't none of that straight up and

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Speaker 6: here's the thing, right, we all know dog, we all

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Speaker 6: know you all bucking no bite.

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Speaker 1: We know this. The NBA brothers know this.

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Speaker 6: A lot of them that's talking behy you behind your

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Speaker 6: back with the whispers.

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Speaker 1: They know this.

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Speaker 6: They know you not gonna do nothing. This is proven,

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Speaker 1: We know that. So I'll stop it there. He goes

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Speaker 2: Thinks he's the problem with Draymond is Draymond doesn't like fighting. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think Dennis Robbin liked fighting. Oh yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: enough to fight Kendrick Perkins, because is anyone that's a

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Speaker 5: I don't think he want to cut your boys.

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Speaker 1: It's like three people on the planet that want the

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Speaker 2: Pick me up like I'm a bail ahead.

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Speaker 1: Sauce you over his shoulder right, still be talking like

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Speaker 2: Like, Hey, my wife is a thunder fan, so she'd

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Speaker 1: Can you sign this in his blood? Thank you? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Oh, but let's talk about what we really want to

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Speaker 1: get into that son's tangent. I know it's a hard

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Speaker 2: Well, my dad is a TV executive and my mom

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Speaker 2: Well, so one of my friends growing up, her dad

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Speaker 2: maybe you are funny, right, And I was like that

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00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there like, oh yeah, I guess that's okay.

434
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Speaker 2: So that was a big help to like from someone

435
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: who went and took the leap and did it. Was

436
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: like as a starting point to go, Okay, maybe I

437
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 2: do want to do this. Then I went to Second

438
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 2: City for like an immersion week and just did stuff

439
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: in Chicago for a week to see like, okay, what's

440
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: this scene like, and thought well this is great, and

441
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: also seeing the other people who were also just starting off,

442
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 2: going like okay, well they're not like way better than me,

443
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 2: We're all just kind of starting. I would have.

444
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: Figured I would have figured homeschool would have made me

445
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: doubt myself because then it's like who's my target? Like

446
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: I need an audience, Like where your parents a good

447
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 1: audience to to let you know you were funny or

448
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, can't you trust them because it's like then

449
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: you look they love you like they got they better laugh.

450
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: You know that was not my parents weren't no cutor people.

451
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: Okay, tough audience. It's like mom and dad tough crowd,

452
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: Like what else my mom?

453
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: When when I when I was like getting a job

454
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: on TV, I said, Mom, if I get a show,

455
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: will you come to my show? She said, I'll come

456
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Speaker 2: to the first one.

457
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Speaker 5: She's keeping it real, like I can't promise you after

458
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Speaker 5: that one now ye.

459
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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well you should have told her,

460
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, don't do that. Come to like the

461
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: sixth one, give us a.

462
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Speaker 5: Chairway, let me get a bit better at it.

463
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Speaker 2: But I think part of it was like the audience

464
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: is always mem and I know that there's like you

465
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: want your audience to like your stuff, but like, my

466
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: audience is people like me, right and so, And that

467
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean black men in their mid thirties, right.

468
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: It's people to whom the world hits them the way

469
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: it hits me. Whatever body they're in, whatever life they're in,

470
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: I know that they're out there and there's not people

471
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: making a bunch of stuff for them. So I'm making

472
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: stuff for that like me, because then when they see it,

473
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: they'll go, oh, I like what he does. And so

474
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: a lot of my stuff has been like that. And

475
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: then you know, and then there's people my dad has

476
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 2: a similar thing, and like there's just like a lot

477
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: of there's there's a lot of I think there's a

478
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 2: confidence that came from homeschooling because I had already done

479
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: something that was hard because I didn't go to regular school.

480
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: Then I didn't go to high school. I started college

481
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: when I was thirteen, Wow, and I took my time.

482
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: I finished when I was twenty, saying y yeah. So

483
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: I like like I got my I got my ged

484
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Speaker 2: when I was sixteen, I got my associates when I

485
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: was eighteen. I got my bachelor's when I was twenty.

486
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Speaker 1: So everybody knew York at that point. Everybody knew York smart,

487
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like a matter of yeah. So then

488
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: it's like what do you want? You really had to

489
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: figure out what you wanted to do with your life.

490
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 2: And that was the thing. Is like I had already

491
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: been especially because I was in a Catholic world. I'd

492
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: already been speaking and doing public speaking and youth ministry stuff,

493
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: so like standing in front of two thousand people with

494
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: a microphone is like, okay, fine, right, since I was

495
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: fifteen years old, that's like not scary. Or it's like

496
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: I'll stand up there and do nothing with a microphone

497
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: for a few thousand people and like just kind of

498
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: hang out, like it's not an intimidating I've not. I'm

499
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: sure there's a size crowd that is intimidating, right, but

500
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: I've not been in front of that size crowd yet. Right.

501
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Speaker 2: What about will be?

502
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Speaker 1: So what about Second City? What is Second City exactly?

503
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Speaker 2: So Second City is a there was a kind of

504
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: a in the sixties and even actually way before that,

505
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: there were these you know, improv improvatizational theater schools and

506
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: people building this artistic form of improv comedy. And so

507
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: then the Second City was founded as a theater where

508
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: improv comedy would be turned into sketches. And so you

509
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: would do improv every night, and when you would get

510
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: off stage and go that scene was actually really good,

511
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: you would start to write it down. Then you would

512
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: do it again the next night and see what worked,

513
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: and by doing it over and over and over and

514
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: over again, you would end up with a finished version

515
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: that was revised basically through improv. So improv as a

516
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: way to write sketch became the Second City process. That's

517
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: what processes at Second City. And so what you would

518
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: do is a team of six improvisers would create a

519
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: full two hour long review out of that process.

520
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Speaker 1: Hey you now, hey, you were there for a couple

521
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: of years just doing that, and so I was not

522
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: on those top stages where you were doing a full

523
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: review every night to a paid audience or whatever.

524
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: But but doing that meant that they started a school

525
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: that then taught you how to do that, and then

526
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: branched off to how do you do musical improv? How

527
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: do you do this? How do you do that? How

528
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: do you do that? And so then you know, you

529
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: start churning out some incredibly talented improvisers, you know, like

530
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean, the I can't the list is very long,

531
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, Tina fe and Tim Meadows are there,

532
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: then Farley's there. Then like I mean, Sam Richardson, just

533
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: from the people when I was there, Sam Richardson, Tim Balt,

534
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: Katie rich It's just I'm forgetting, but there's so many

535
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: people who are mega famous and doing awesome things are

536
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: all from Second City, And so it's Chicago's a very

537
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: grind town. He's a hard work, blue collar town. That's

538
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: why it's so pro Union. It's why it's like way

539
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: more left of a city than like New York City.

540
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: It's like very it's like there's not no there's no

541
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: there's a small neighborhood of trumpet people. We know where

542
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: they are, right and and so like that. It's it's

543
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: just putting in that work. And it's a place where

544
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: you're like, you're not doing improv because you want to

545
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: be on TV. You're not doing improv because you want

546
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: to be on SNL, you want to be fans. You're

547
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: doing it because you love improv, you love comedy, and

548
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: you're doing it because you love it and you want

549
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: to get good at it. And so you you know

550
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: it because there's no industry there at all. There is

551
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: no Oh, an agent's coming tonight. Oh, like when you're

552
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: in LA. A thing that I always noticed about LA

553
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: shows is every cast member at a lot of shows

554
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: says their name out loud in case there's an agent, right,

555
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: But when you come on Chicago, you're like wor part

556
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: but you're just like, we're just doing it because we

557
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: love doing it.

558
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: And what was the day job at the time, like

559
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: like to a grind in at between my two day.

560
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Jobs, one was at one was at the Museum of

561
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: Science and Industry doing tours. So they hired a ton

562
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: of improvisers because improvisers can remember all the facts we

563
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: have to say about like this old warship, and we

564
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: can perform and so when there's like a bunch of kids,

565
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: you can be like, ha ha, I'm in a little

566
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: lab coat and here's a joke about this and this

567
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: thing's funny. So a lot of that and a ton

568
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: of improvisers work there. And then I worked there actually

569
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: with Pat Roland who writes for Amber Ruffin Now wow,

570
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: we both worked there. He worked there for a long time.

571
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: And then my other job was at this place called

572
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: Family Promise Chicago North Shore, which is a whole family

573
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: homeless shelter. And any homelessness is like my number one.

574
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: If I could use a billion dollars to fix a

575
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: problem in America, that would be one I want to

576
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: fix because it's so unnecessary, it's not a cancer, where

577
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: like it just happens. This only happens because it's voluntary.

578
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: And we got to do a last Week to Night

579
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: episode on homelessness also, which I was very proud of.

580
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: But it was a whole family shelter so that if

581
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: you were a mom and dad and kids, you didn't

582
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: get split up into like men's and women's shelters. And

583
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: it also believed in rapid rehousing, which meant like we

584
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: tried to get you in a house within ninety days.

585
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Because think if you're homeless for less than ninety days

586
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 2: and you're right back in with the place and you're

587
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: paying rent, then you're just like you can tell people

588
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: in a year, we had a couple of bad months, yeah,

589
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: but you weren't like you have not changed, nothing has

590
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: changed in terms of your life. As you're coming out

591
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: of it. It was like we had nowhere to stay.

592
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: We were in a shelter for a couple of months.

593
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: Now we're back in the house, paying rent, we have

594
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: the same job, blah blah blah, Like you can get

595
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: people right back and they don't get stuck into it.

596
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: So I worked there because I that was my week

597
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: that was like my weekend job. And then in the weekdays,

598
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: I would work at the museum, and so I was

599
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: working at both of those, and then I would go

600
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: back to Second City at night, at Second City all

601
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: night and go to my apartment, crash, get up, and

602
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: then I eventually I went through the improv program and

603
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: the conservatory program that they have and then got to

604
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: a point where I realized, Okay, late night is what

605
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: I really love. So I decided to make a late

606
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: night show with my friends called that Just Happened. And

607
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: so we did an hour long and this again, this

608
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: is shows like this is doing something that I think

609
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: we all wanted to get good at, even if it

610
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: wasn't the hottest thing in the streets because it was

611
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: not a late night show. It was Joe Quasala, who's

612
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: a very very funny comedian. He's on Twitter. He did

613
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: a video where they he re enacted the scene from

614
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: The Slap where it's a slap except the little boy

615
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: is a Dracula's sane and it's very good and it's anyway.

616
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: He doesn't he does so much funny stuff and he's

617
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: in La. He's great comedian. He was doing a late

618
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: night show that, like CJ Toldana was on who I

619
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: think does a ton of NBA stuff now and wrote

620
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: for Fallon at the beginning, and and I was like, Okay,

621
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the news one. So we did a

622
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: one hour news show on Saturday nights at midnight. And

623
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: people did not flock to that, right but it was

624
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: But so what was.

625
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: What was the venue for doing it?

626
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: Like?

627
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Was it at at at a theater?

628
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: Was it? That was at Scon City? So they have

629
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: four stages so you can as a student rent one

630
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: of the stages. So we got that stage. We got

631
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: the smallest stage the DeMont Theater, and it was like

632
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: twelve of us and I was the host, executive producer,

633
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: and head writer. And then we had twelve people and

634
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: we had like a full cast. So I was the

635
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: guy at the desk and then we would have people

636
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: do walk on his characters and monologues and bits and

637
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And we we had a really great team.

638
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: Carly Moseley who just got her first Emmy nomination at Colbert,

639
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: she was there with us, so we both did Last

640
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: Week Tonight. And Omari Brown who is at Colbert as well,

641
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: he was on Last Week Tonight or he was on

642
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: that just happened, So like we that just happened was

643
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 2: like this team of people who were in Chicago at

644
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: that time that were like, Yeah, I'll take three nights

645
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: a week and dedicate it to doing this very hard thing.

646
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy man's And then it's funny because like you

647
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: were doing the job before you were doing the job

648
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: and like basically doing it for yourself. So was the

649
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: transition to like writing, was it easier for you to write?

650
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: You know? And was the like writing a packet and

651
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: submitting and all that stuff, was that like easy for you?

652
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Was that still challenging?

653
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

654
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: It was very It was still very hard. It was

655
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: still very hard. But I think that part of what

656
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: we chipped away at while we were making that show

657
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: was the idea that you don't that there's no writer's block,

658
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: that like I have to write this right now. M

659
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: I had like I have to write this because the

660
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: show's happening, so it doesn't matter. This is that I

661
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: think with some longer narrative writers and other people I know,

662
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: there's this idea of like, oh, well, I'm stuck and

663
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: I just need to write from this time to this

664
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: time at this desk, and you're like, no, you just

665
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: got it's just got to get done right. So one

666
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: of the best things I got from one of our

667
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: mentors making that show was like, I can't make a

668
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: show out of ideas, but I can make a show

669
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: out of scripts. Yeah, so it doesn't even if it's

670
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: a bad script, Give me the script and we'll go

671
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: from there.

672
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my philosophy. I used to when we

673
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: were being the office and uh, you know, I was

674
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: my my coworker co office person, Tommy. Tommy's very pensive, thoughtful,

675
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: like he's a writer's writer, he's a journalist type like,

676
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, gotta get it perfect, then we'll submit.

677
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: We'll push the deadline because it's not perfect jet and

678
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: then we'll then we'll submit. And I was just like,

679
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: he'd be like, how the fuck do you just turn

680
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: shit in? And it's like always on time or early.

681
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: I was like like, because, like that's the process, right,

682
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna submit make like I hope it's great.

683
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: I hope shit. I would love nothing better than like

684
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the first time I submit them to be like, wow,

685
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: this is great work, right, we can't think of anything

686
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: else to do. But they never do that, like very

687
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: rarely do you get that. That's like a very slim

688
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: chance that you're gonna get that. So and even when

689
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: you do get that, you gotta go through like seven

690
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: more fucking steps before showtime. At some point someone's gonna

691
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: be like, actually, you know what, there is a thing

692
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: that needs to change about this. So why even Fred

693
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: over it? Like to me, they have taken all the

694
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: stress out of it, because I'm like, here you go,

695
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: like to do something with that. Let me know what y'all.

696
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: Want, Like, ah, that's the process, come back to Minato.

697
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean, because yeah, it's so it's uh, it's so

698
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: rare that the the thing that you're turning in is

699
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: gonna be word for word what goes on TV. Right,

700
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: it's like you're look, you're giving me a piece. And

701
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: especially I think especially like a lot with a lot

702
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: of the hosts I've worked with, you know, there they

703
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: just need the pieces to put the pieces together and

704
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: then make the thing that they're gonna make that's bigger

705
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: than that. So like you're giving them that first thing

706
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: to bounce off of or to work with. But it's

707
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: not the expectation that you're not putting it in the prompt.

708
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: You're not sitting there like it it's so good.

709
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, no reason to read this again.

710
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: The one thing I got the whole season, I think

711
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: I had one thing that truly had no notes. The

712
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: first time I turned it in, never made it there,

713
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: I walked out. I was like, a shit, I'll danced

714
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: in my office and show. I was like, I can't

715
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: believe it. There's no notes. I didn't know this was possible.

716
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: By Sunday it was like, it's not possible because it's

717
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: not going to the air.

718
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: So stranger prompter is incredibly rare, and like you, I remember,

719
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: I remember the jokes.

720
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I will think I would get a

721
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: t shirt of that script if I want something.

722
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: Because you and I both know that. Like, there's also

723
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: a thing where it's like you can deliver a perfect

724
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: joke at a thirty in the morning. But but the

725
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: thing is when you go to tape and the host

726
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: has heard it twelve times and he's heard it two times,

727
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: and then he's or she is sitting there going maybe

728
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: it's not it's funny, and yeah it is because the

729
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: audience hasn't heard it before, right, never heard it. So

730
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: you remember how you felt the first time you heard

731
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: the joke was so good, that's how they're gonna feel

732
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: yea hear it?

733
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they go, I don't know, yeah, and then

734
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: like at that point it's like, uh, at least with

735
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: our show, I felt like a lot of that was

736
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: just about like because I thought we had some b

737
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: stats writers. So by show day it was really like,

738
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: do you want to deliver the joke in the way

739
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: that you know you can deliver it? And where if

740
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: you don't have the confidence, then we just had to

741
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: give you another joke, not because the other joke wasn't funny,

742
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: but just straight up like you can deliver this, We

743
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: what is the most confident delivery you can have, because

744
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: that's gonna make the audience react in the most part,

745
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Like we're not writing like, you know, super complex like

746
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: impossible to understand yolks and ship like they're funny jokes

747
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: that people will get upon first hearing them for the

748
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: most part, So I, how do you want to deliver it?

749
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: Like would you rather be a Pooty Tang reference? Because

750
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: I can do that.

751
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 5: I'm root for Pooty Tang. I can't get that through.

752
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 5: That was our jam.

753
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: So there that show was a little bit more of

754
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: like a full lift in joke replacement that you were.

755
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: We're not going to Twieter tweak it, but I think

756
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: it's just across the board. The late night. I think, yeah,

757
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: the people's ears get used to it, and then you

758
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: let up losing good jokes and stuff for that. But

759
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, making our show where we I mean,

760
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: we were doing three nights a week, and when you're

761
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: a busy comedian in Chicago coming up and you've got

762
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: shows and things like, to dedicate that much time was

763
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of an example of how how much you had

764
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: to care about it. Because it was a writing night

765
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 2: and a rehearsal and the night we did the show

766
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: and so and we I just I'm so proud that

767
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: we did it, and I think that they were really good,

768
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: and I think how long did.

769
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Y'all do it for?

770
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: Ye?

771
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: Wow?

772
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Shit, wow, that's amazing.

773
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: We did a couple of seasons where you take a

774
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: couple off, come back and do it again. But it

775
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: was a chance to also to make big mistakes and

776
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: to try really hard and fail with no consequences. It's

777
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: the thing I talk to young writers about a lot now,

778
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: which is like, you don't want your young mistakes to

779
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: be on YouTube, right, you want them to be in

780
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: a small theater with a crowd of regular people, and

781
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: if it dies, you go cool. I learned, Yeah, but

782
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: there was no stakes. No one's gonna google me four

783
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: years from now and see that and go ooh.

784
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and especially the way it works now,

785
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: it's like they google you on Emmy nomination day. You

786
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it's not like it's right

787
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: when like it's enough for you to get far enough

788
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: where you kind of forget it's out there, and then

789
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: something amazing haveen, something you dreamed about and wanted, and

790
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: that's when people are like, oh, excuse me. Greg used

791
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: to think blank was funny. He's like, fuck, that's why

792
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't.

793
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: That's why, like you'll see, like I have up the

794
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: last monlogues did, which was twenty twenty, the George Floyd ones,

795
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: and then like I think everything before that is basically

796
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: gone because it's like I'm gonna make new monologues and

797
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: when I do, the old ones go away, so that

798
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: like my most recent kind of thing is up. And

799
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: even with Yubnub, we've talked about like pulling down stuff

800
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: that's old because it's like you know it's, yeah, it

801
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: sits out there, and you you know it's you're not

802
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: sure if you want to keep it out there, not

803
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: because you say anything bad, but just because it's like

804
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: you're getting better all the time.

805
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 5: And so.

806
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: Because I think, like I don't know, I think that

807
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: that did you guys see that Jake Novak TikTok video

808
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: the kid who wanted to apply for SNL and he

809
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: made a singing musical that what happened? Could you? Can

810
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: you pull? Can you pull this up?

811
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

812
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Tell me describe what you put in the star Jake

813
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: Novak SNL. It's a TikTok or Instagram and it's a

814
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: young white man and he's applying to SNL.

815
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I found it, and I think if you.

816
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: Watch the first twenty seconds you'll understand.

817
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm about the on screen for us.

818
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: So I want to be.

819
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 7: The next SNL cast member. And here's why I should

820
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 7: be a contender. Hi, Lord Michael's I'm Jake Novak, and

821
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 7: I know that you're feeling the heat because your roster

822
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 7: lost Kate Kyle eighty MP. That means you got an

823
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 7: open seat, and I feel allowed to be feeling it

824
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 7: because when it comes to comedy songs, I kind of

825
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 7: been killing it.

826
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: See Weekly music videos.

827
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 7: I'm a jam bro, I'm a rapping rhymen Hamming Nerd

828
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 7: like Lynn min Wol Miranda mixed with Sammy Berg.

829
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: But having you heard, I'm more than a rapper, I'm

830
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: an actor too.

831
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 7: So here's a couple of nice guys.

832
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: Get that's a So he did that, and the response

833
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: from the internet was not good.

834
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: Oh but what happened to the fines? I need to

835
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: know now?

836
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: From comedians it was unsparingly negative. Oh no, because I

837
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: would say one thing not to do when you're applying

838
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: for a job is to go. You guys are screwed

839
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: because the four biggest people on your show just quit

840
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: to hire me. Because I'm anyway, You guys are probably

841
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: in trouble. You hire me a guy who's making a TikTok.

842
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: Also I live Manuel Miranda plus added Andy Samberg.

843
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, that sucks for him, And my thing.

844
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: Is that would be a very that guy should there's like.

845
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: But the thing is is, I don't like when I

846
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: think about that. I don't know Jake that anything about

847
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: him that could have been a weird bit to go

848
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: viral and he doesn't even want to get on SNL.

849
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. But like when I was making choices

850
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: like that, I was doing them in front of no one,

851
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: and now look back and go, thank goodness. When I

852
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: was doing the wildest swings like that, that weren't really

853
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: my voice. They were going, what is my voice? Maybe

854
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: gonna try this movie, gonna try this, maybe try this,

855
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: you know. And so now I come out when I'm

856
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: taking a shot, I know what I want to.

857
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: Do, and to me, I'm gonna says it's a lot

858
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: of disadvantages now to an extent, because to me, it's

859
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: kind of it's almost unfair because like that's a part

860
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: of the process. It's making errors and making mistakes and

861
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: screwing up. But we're in the age now where you

862
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: almost have to do the tiktoks and the YouTube, you

863
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: almost have to put your face out there, versus before

864
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: you could kind of do more underground stuff. You can

865
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: still do it, don't get me wrong, but won't nobody

866
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: know who you are?

867
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's weird because like that also, the selection

868
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: process has been kind of going through a lot of

869
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: these mediums. Now, Yes, well, that used to ignore those people.

870
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of time the people out there,

871
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean imagine being like we're not gonna fuck with

872
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: bo Burnham, you know, like that's crazy. But but yeah,

873
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of soit you have to go through.

874
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: And for those people, your process is marked.

875
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 6: You know.

876
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's like, how if you've been on

877
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Twitter long enough, you should delete your old tweets at

878
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: some point just cause like that, I guarantee you that

879
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: first of all, you're never looking for that diamond in

880
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: the ruck, like you're never like ooh twelve years ago.

881
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: You know, God, I will fit now now I went back,

882
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: I deleted. I think, I think any I think everything

883
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: before like twenty sixteen, I had like twelve tweets left, Yes,

884
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: I got on in eight all right, And I say,

885
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: but there's something I couldn't let go because there's this

886
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: I have a joke, this joke that I love. It's

887
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: an example of my voice, right, and it's it's like

888
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: just a three line scene of a woman and her

889
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: husband and she's like, I have to tell you something.

890
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: Uh I I've been diagnosed with minions. And he the

891
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: husband goes, what the hell you promised me you got

892
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: tested before you got married, and then she goes back yah,

893
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: And that to me, that's where keeping is so like

894
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: that if I saw that on television, I would melt

895
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: down crime.

896
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: So here's the thing with that, right, I'm not saying

897
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: you had no tweets worth any nay, I'm saying it

898
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: ain't worth keeping all the tweets for.

899
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: The no, no.

900
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's like like they find like the old

901
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: tweet where you were like, listen, I'm gonna be honest,

902
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm not really understanding what transgender means. It's like they

903
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna find that tweet and then you'll be like, fuck,

904
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: the minus tweet was not worth.

905
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: I was going through one by one, Yeah, yeah.

906
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: You have you. That would be the only way because

907
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I tweet a lot, so I just

908
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: deleted them all fuck them. But I always come up

909
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: with something else. The thing that always reminds me that

910
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm smart to delete my old tweets is that I

911
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: have Facebook, and the Facebook memories will be like remember

912
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: when you thought this ship was smart? And I'm like,

913
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, what was wrong me?

914
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm like this Joe Rogan guy's got some great ice.

915
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, nigga. Mine was Adam Carolla. I thought he

916
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: was the I was like, yo, Adam changed.

917
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: It was like this he used to did not talk

918
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 5: like that.

919
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, thank god, every tweet sharing

920
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: his podcast is gone.

921
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to think of what bad person and

922
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: I liked back then then I would have to change.

923
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm sure there was something.

924
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because also, like under Trump, I feel like people

925
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: went from like a gradual like especially if you were

926
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: a fan of any white dude, it was like dicey

927
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: as fuck that they were gonna go to that gradual life,

928
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: which side libertarian.

929
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: Uh see, I got rid of so many of those

930
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: people were just already cut out because I was like, okay.

931
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: You say yeah.

932
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Also, the somebody in the comment said Dennis Miller changed,

933
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: it's one of I mean, it's Anthony Jelnick's best joke

934
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: is that nine to eleven's greatest casualty is Dennis Miller's career.

935
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that was a dude. I was like, he's

936
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: so smarty, so and it was just like, oh no,

937
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: he's just playing the hits for mega know.

938
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: It does a really good really Brian Stack who was

939
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: on Conan Show a lot, and then was my office

940
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: made of Colbert He does a very good Dennis Miller impression.

941
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I love you good hate It's like it's like George

942
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Custer's too chat. So what was the what was the process?

943
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: Were you like applying and submitting the whole time you

944
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: were in Chicago second City to like late night shows

945
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: or was this like a thing that like was there

946
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: like a Okay, I'm done during my year of hosting

947
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: this show, and now I'm gonna start submitting.

948
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: I realized that, well, I realized I needed to leave

949
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: Chicago because one of the creative directors in the Chicago

950
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: scene was like, you gotta leave Chicago because they're not

951
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: gonna They're not basically like also, when I was there

952
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: ten years ago, there was like one black person at

953
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: the time, and so the list was like Sam Richardson

954
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: was there, Edgar Blackman's there, Chris Redd is there, then

955
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: maybe me, maybe some other very good people also there.

956
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: And that's just black guys, because also like Nicole black

957
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: is there, like there's you know, is it.

958
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Like some highland or shit like too black?

959
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 5: I said, they can only one.

960
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just they're just it was that

961
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: white liberal thing of like we have enough.

962
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: We're quote, we have enough diversity today, you can go home.

963
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Second City was a place that when

964
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Tina Fey got there and said, how come there can

965
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: only be two women on a cast of six, they said, well,

966
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: we what parts would they do if there were more

967
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: than two women? And she said, it's an improvised show.

968
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: We are making up the parts.

969
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: That's like when Senel they only really got black women

970
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: on screen because Keenan was like, I'm not like like

971
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: just basically like, yeah, I'm seeing what's happening. I'm the

972
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: one man, uh put on a dress guy for every

973
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: black character. Y'all just can y'all just hire a black

974
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: woman and we can just stop this now?

975
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, it is that the Garrett Morris thing. I

976
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: mean that still happens everywhere where. I have been the

977
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: diversity hire at many places. I've been the second black

978
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: person ever hired at a couple of different shows, you know,

979
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: which is.

980
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Wild because like the first my first impression of Greg was, uh,

981
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: we were in a room going to a meeting and

982
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: I walked in and this dude had a John Brown

983
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: T shirt.

984
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: On American Hero American Hero John Brown.

985
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: What did the show say exactly? It wasn't just John Brown.

986
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: It had like words, it.

987
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: Said John Brown did nothing wrong.

988
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: So that's so funny that like somewhere white people like

989
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: this would be our diversity hired and they get in,

990
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: They're like, fuck this guy.

991
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: My experience, I would say that my experience of my

992
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: career has been exactly that someone hears me talk and

993
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: it's see me write very smart political comedy, and they ah,

994
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: that's a black person that I'll feel comfortable with walking

995
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, white people are.

996
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: Bad, like we made a mistake.

997
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Who so you've got a white wife? And he still

998
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: thinks that, Oh.

999
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does the Stephen Colbert, how does that come about?

1000
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: Well? I did the I got out of I was

1001
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: at the Second City. I go to New York, I

1002
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: go to LA I'm doing comedy and I got this

1003
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: thing called the NBC Late Night Writers Workshop, which was

1004
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: a life changing and incredible thing run by three women,

1005
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: two of them women of color, Grace Moss, Karen Horn,

1006
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: Britta Wanger and they It was an NBC program where

1007
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: you would write a packet, they would pick you, and

1008
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: I applied four years in a row. Didn't get it,

1009
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: didn't get it, didn't get it, not a finalist, nothing,

1010
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: just got nothing. Fourth year got in.

1011
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1012
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: Fourth year. I would say the difference was one I

1013
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: was a better writer, but two I wrote, I'm gonna

1014
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: write what I really got to the thing of, like

1015
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: I gotta write something for me. This has to be

1016
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: a thing I think is funny. And I did something else,

1017
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: like you had to write a sketch for SNL, And

1018
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what other people aren't gonna do.

1019
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: This is where that just happened comes back. And I said,

1020
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write a cold about the presidential debate this

1021
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: week because they want it. Turned it on Friday, the

1022
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: debates on Thursday night. I'm gonna write it and they're

1023
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: gonna know I wrote it in a day. Yeah, and

1024
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: I and that was a year I got in. I

1025
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: don't know if that's why, but like it's those things

1026
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: that like when can I show that I can do

1027
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: a thing that other people can't do?

1028
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: That was so that was how I submitted our first

1029
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: round for Game Theory was they gave us like a

1030
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: week and I just did mine in a night and

1031
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: send it in because I was like, I just had

1032
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: this feeling where it's like, when we get to do

1033
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: this shit, there's not gonna be a week, you know

1034
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, all I'm gonna do is second guess myself.

1035
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: But ultimately, if it took me seven days to do

1036
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: this shit, then it probably wouldn't mean that I won't

1037
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: have seven days when it's really time, and I will

1038
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: feel like a fucking fraud When they're like, yeah, so

1039
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: we need you to do this thing in an hour,

1040
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: It's like, oh shit, I don't know if I can

1041
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: do that. You know, I've been having six days to

1042
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: do it.

1043
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely I think that the extra time

1044
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: what I use that four is just is just polishing,

1045
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: polish and polishing. You know, you want to get it

1046
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: done before that, and then you want to just polish

1047
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: and polish and polish and get Like. It's that thing

1048
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: when I'm doing a packet and I'm like, I'll write

1049
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: that first one and that takes like three four days

1050
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: of the week. But then it's like I walk out

1051
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: my living room like this is like a C minus packet.

1052
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Then I disappear for another twelve hours, come out. I'm like,

1053
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: well it's a B plus. So that's something I don't

1054
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: know whatever. Then I pass out, Then I get up,

1055
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: I do another day, okay, now today minus okay, and

1056
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: then you and then you disappear, and now you're like, okay,

1057
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: this is the last night, and you go all night

1058
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: da da da da da, and you're like, okay, it's

1059
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: a plus, right, and you turn it in and then

1060
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: you wake up the next day you already turned it in.

1061
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: It's the last it's the day. It's tuo. You're like, cool,

1062
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: that was good, I did did it?

1063
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1064
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: And sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. I mean

1065
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of shows have I've done packets and they

1066
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: haven't hired me. All of those shows are canceled.

1067
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, they didn't know what they do it.

1068
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: Everyone who's asked me for a packet and not hired

1069
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: me has had their show get camp.

1070
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: That's why I game theory got renewed. I think you

1071
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: know that street going baby.

1072
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: I was like, please, please don't break the street. No,

1073
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: but so that helped a lot. So then it just

1074
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: became this thing of once that was kind of the break,

1075
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: and they did a really good job breaking a lot

1076
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: of people of color. Intendency John Terry Gadson, who wrote

1077
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: a Black Ladyes sket show just got an Emmy nom.

1078
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: She was in my class. She and I wrote. I

1079
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: was with Alison Toffel, who wrote on BoJack Horsemen and

1080
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: is writing on the new Twisted Metal series. We were

1081
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: in there together. I mean, like, I met Mark Kramer,

1082
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: who's Filipino guy who is on Last Week Tonight right now.

1083
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: Just a ton of people came through the late night workshop,

1084
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: and so that kind of gave you some network backing.

1085
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: So then you start like submitting. So then I'm sitting

1086
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: admitting to Foul and I'm submitting to us, and now

1087
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm submitting to the stuff and hearing you start hearing

1088
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: about packets from those people. And then so I applied

1089
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: to everything. But then it was like what Spring of

1090
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen? And I play to Colbert along really really

1091
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: early because they were hiring and I knew John Thibodeau

1092
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: from Chicago, who was the first black guy hired by Colbert,

1093
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: and so I have known him for a long time.

1094
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: He told me there were packets, got my name on

1095
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: the list, turned in a packet. I think I did

1096
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: a whole nother pocket packet and got rejected before I

1097
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: heard anything back, and I was like, okay, whatever. Then

1098
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: got a call boom you like do you want to

1099
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: We love your packet? Do you want to work here? Yes?

1100
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: See you in ten days. Cool moved to New York

1101
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: and just jumped in how long.

1102
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: Does it typically take between submitting a packet and like here,

1103
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm guess that it varies, but hearing back and if

1104
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: you made it or didn't make it or do sometimes

1105
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I did not even tell you that you got rejected.

1106
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of shows don't tell you got rejected,

1107
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: and so the shows that do I usually send an

1108
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: email back to be like thank you. This is very

1109
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: polite and nice. Yeah, people applying to know we didn't

1110
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: get the job, right. I think Sam b does a

1111
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: nice job of that. And when you get don't get it,

1112
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: they just tell you like, sorry, you didn't get it.

1113
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: And I think last week tonight does the same thing.

1114
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: It's justin yeah, it's just just a polite thing to do.

1115
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: And it also again, I think one of the things

1116
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: that you realize show wise is like you're going to

1117
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: ask these same people again probably to apply at some point,

1118
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: and so you don't want to put a bad taste.

1119
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: I think about it when I like, I'm when I

1120
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: have a late night show at some point think about

1121
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: all the times, like what is the rep in this

1122
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: in the scene going to be about your show? And

1123
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: apply it to your show? You know, it should be easy.

1124
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: It should be like we've done packets, you know, and

1125
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: like I've done dozens and dozens and dozens of packets

1126
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: and you're doing a ton of work like for free,

1127
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: but to apply. And my attitude has always been like,

1128
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, fine, I can do it. I mean, it's

1129
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: like I can always write more jokes, so I'll write

1130
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: some jokes. But when I have a show, I think

1131
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: what I would like to do is like you Rod,

1132
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: now you're familiar with SCRIPTO, and like I'll be like, look,

1133
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: you have two and a half minutes in SCRIPTO, right,

1134
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't care what you do. You have two and

1135
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: a half minutes in SCRIPTO timing, and it needs to

1136
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: be about a news story from this week. You go,

1137
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: you do whatever you want, but that like that's it's

1138
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: it's a constraint, but it's also you can make it

1139
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: whatever you want it to be, right, and.

1140
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: You hopefully get that person's point of view, like their

1141
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: their actual perspective as opposed to just them saying this

1142
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: is what I think you.

1143
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: And YE want to hear or whatever, and I get

1144
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: to see everything because it's like that, what's your attention

1145
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: to detail? Where are you pulling sots from? Are you

1146
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: good at cutting down what a clip to just the

1147
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: most important part? Like you know, like are you taking

1148
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 2: care of those small things like give me a finished script?

1149
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: The script you think that I could read right into

1150
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: a prompter right now, right, I'll give you two minutes,

1151
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: five minutes, I don't care, Like, I'll give you some

1152
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: SCRIPTO time, do that and then send me something else

1153
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: you've made that you're really proud of.

1154
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: So what's it like at the Cobert Show? Like what's there?

1155
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: What's the process like submitting? Right, I mean not submitting

1156
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: like we know you submitted, but like writing every week

1157
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: or and that show is like what four nights a week?

1158
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 2: It's five nights, five shows a week, so tape tape

1159
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: four nights week and then you because you do two

1160
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: on Thursday.

1161
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what so what is that process like? Because

1162
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: I imagine it's very fucking fast and you gotta you know,

1163
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: and Stephen, I'm sure brings his own point of view

1164
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: and jokes and comedy to it, So like, what's writing

1165
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: for him?

1166
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: Like, well, you're coming in. I mean, like I think

1167
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: that's one of those shows where you're trying to find

1168
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: out what stories. So does everyone have jokes about what

1169
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: of those stories are the ones that Steven wants to

1170
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: talk about? What is his point of view and doesn't

1171
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: match the jokes we already have, and then let's go

1172
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: let's go start working on those those pieces. So then

1173
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, as soon as you have the pieces and

1174
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: we know which things we're talking about, four or five

1175
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: things we're talking about, you just start making them so

1176
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: that we can get them done. Because I mean, you're

1177
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: rehearsing at three o'clock, so it's like, I mean, you

1178
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: come in, maybe you come in at a thirty and

1179
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: you're talking and talking, you get coffee, you start writing

1180
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: bull but like you're turning in scripts middle of the day.

1181
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: So I mean, and again this is where doing it

1182
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: early becomes a thing because you're you're out of a meeting,

1183
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 2: it's ten fifteen and your things do at eleven forty five,

1184
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: and you need to write like three and a half

1185
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: minutes of monologue about the Undersecretary of Agriculture and then

1186
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: and the thing is is then it's like and then

1187
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: you have like two writers in there, and it's like

1188
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: there's no time. You're like, she'll get coffee. Let's get coffee,

1189
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: I mean from the kitchen. It's not like like, Okay,

1190
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get coffee. You get a bowl cereal. We'll

1191
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: be back in here five minutes, you know, cause you

1192
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: just are like you're so used to being in an

1193
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: insane situation that you're like, this is normal. Yeah, And

1194
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: then you come and then you come back and you

1195
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: just like and you churn, and then like you have

1196
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: three and a half minutes done when it's ono on time,

1197
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: and you turn it in and then it just gets

1198
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: whittled down or rewritten and rewritten and fixed, and then

1199
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, we have this. You have the same thing

1200
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: that you would you know, all these shows do where

1201
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: you have a round of dollar signs or tks or

1202
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, alts, you know where

1203
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: it's like let's where it's like, let's let's rewrite the

1204
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: stuff that's not working right at the last minute, and

1205
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 2: then you tape the show and then you go home

1206
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: at like five, five thirty, and you think, crap, I

1207
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: gotta have three jokes ready in the morning.

1208
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you gotta do that five days of leak.

1209
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: Bay do it every day, like thirty eight weeks a year.

1210
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: And then you're just like, I'm dying. This is so hard.

1211
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, I can't imagine, dude.

1212
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: And then people who do one show a week are like,

1213
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: this is so hard, and you're like, I hate you.

1214
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't say that. Well. I think one of

1215
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: the things you really brought to game theory was helping

1216
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: refine the process because you had so much experience with

1217
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: the like craziness and just like what would make things

1218
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: easier but would streamline things and all that stuff. And

1219
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: I felt like by the end of it, it was

1220
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot more of a productive like for the amount

1221
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: of work we put into it to what we got

1222
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: out of it felt like a lot more efficient than

1223
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: it was before you got there. So like you could

1224
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: see that experience like working in the office. So I

1225
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: appreciated it.

1226
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: Thank you. I really I appreciate that that compliment. I've

1227
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: thought a lot about what I would do with another

1228
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: shot at I mean, like headwriting obviously, but like like

1229
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: in head writing a show, it would be yeah, I

1230
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: think we could implement even more. And the nice thing

1231
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: was I got to learn that about any show that

1232
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: I've met, right, like the way to say, okay, how

1233
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 2: do we implement a process that's streamline, that makes us

1234
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: get the most done but also waste the least time

1235
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: and work, you know, because you don't want any writers

1236
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: to come in and feel like, well what did I

1237
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: even write that for? You know, because everybody's working hard

1238
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: and trying to do their best, they see an open spot,

1239
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: they got to swing at it. But having a process

1240
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: ready to maximize that talent and not to make it

1241
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: feel wasted, because there's nothing worse than somebody going off

1242
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: being like, hey, I wrote this extra two minutes about

1243
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: this funny thing I saw, and then us being like, well,

1244
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: there's no space for that. You shouldn't have done that. Yeah,

1245
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: you're telling them the next time, don't take initiative. And

1246
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: you don't don't want that. You want you want a

1247
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: place where it's like you know, and I've talked with

1248
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: Zach about this a lot too, you know, like because

1249
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, Zach and I at the end had kind

1250
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: of a lot on our plates, I think, yeah, and

1251
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: just the idea of like, yeah, it's like you could

1252
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: really I think there's a way, there's a kind of

1253
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: a two headed dragon way to do that where it's

1254
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: like everything can feel very comfortable and not stressful, and

1255
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: then everybody that's writing can be throwing as much on

1256
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: those two plates right as possible. Yeah, it was very

1257
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: fun and that it was a cool thing to get

1258
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: off the ground because I'd never I'd never gotten a

1259
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: show off the ground before.

1260
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was stuff in the beginning. Now I

1261
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: would do like that where I just like because that

1262
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: was the other thing, like writing is almost like, at

1263
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: least a game theory is almost like putting out a fire,

1264
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: almost like where it's like there's not a fire right now,

1265
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: everybody just chill around the fire station, and then just

1266
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: at some point everyone's like fire, let's go, let's go.

1267
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: We got fire, we got got a meeting. We gotta

1268
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: to get this ship. And so, uh, sometimes I would

1269
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: just write ship just to be fucking fucking around and

1270
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: writing stuff. And uh, I remember when I did that

1271
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: when I first, like the first week I was there.

1272
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: I think this might have been before. It was actually

1273
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: when we were still remote, So it was before great

1274
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: got there, and I remember just submitting like ship from

1275
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: just ideas stupid ass ideas we had like I wrote

1276
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: a whole parody of Gangster Leene that was just about

1277
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: all the black players that got beat by Coach K

1278
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: and Sydney was like, this is really good, but we

1279
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: don't have the rights to this song, so this will

1280
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: never make the air. I was like, oh, yeah, that

1281
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: probably would have been good to know. I appreciate you

1282
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: brules out, so yeah, definitely. And then you go from

1283
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: you go from the Colbert uh Late Night with Stephen

1284
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Colbert to John Oliver and now that is what two

1285
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Speaker 1: times a week? Yeah, once a week? Okay, So that

1286
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: so what was it? What was the difference there? Because

1287
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I remember talking to you about the process there, and

1288
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: it felt like the writers there were a lot more

1289
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: responsible to write, like a lot like a topic as

1290
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: opposed to just like give me two minutes. It was

1291
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: give me an episode. Almost.

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that kind of has the the other

1293
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: in between where you have, you know, everybody's writing punch ups,

1294
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: but you're also like when you're finally doing when you're

1295
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: on an episode, you're doing an episode. So it's in

1296
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: the same way that there were deep dives of game theory.

1297
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: It's like, this is your deep dive and it's a

1298
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: twenty six minute episode of television. And I mean the

1299
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: nice thing is you build the structure from the very

1300
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: beginning so that by the time it gets handed to you,

1301
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: you know what you're you're not in the woods being like, okay,

1302
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: so tires. So we're talking about tires for thirty minutes

1303
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: where I have on tires. You know, you're like, oh,

1304
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: here's the history of tires from the wheel down and

1305
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: here's this guy talking about it. Here's what we're thinking

1306
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: about this, and blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know,

1307
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: here's a horny tire that we drew, you know, and

1308
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: like and you but you have all that and then

1309
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: you go off and it is an insane part of

1310
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: your life because they're like, Okay, we'll see like usually

1311
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: get like a week or something, but it's like seeing

1312
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: a week, a book, a parties, like when your script

1313
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: will be done right, yeah, it's like and so you're

1314
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: just kind of like and you're just like, and that's

1315
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: the thing is the draw. There's that thing I think

1316
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: where it's like you can write something that's good and

1317
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: then you sit there and you go, this is good, everybody,

1318
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: this is good, but I know it can be great, right,

1319
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: and so like I could be done. And this is

1320
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: true about packets especially, and that's yeah, it's like I could,

1321
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: I could this could be done, or I could make

1322
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: it as good as I know it can be.

1323
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: Right.

1324
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: Then that's when you end up putting it. That's when

1325
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: it goes from like forty hours to sixty hours to whatever,

1326
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: because you're like, I know this can kill. And so

1327
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: that's that's a trait that is very helpful, right to

1328
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: both be able to recognize the difference betweod and great

1329
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: and then know what it takes to get there, and

1330
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: then most importantly, to be able to force yourself to

1331
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: do that when you're entire.

1332
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: And staff number wise, like how many writers were at Colbert?

1333
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: How many writers are at Like is it the same

1334
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: numbers about?

1335
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: I think it's Coolbert, there's like fourteen twelve or fourteen.

1336
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: But then you also have like some head writers and

1337
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: supervising writers and Steven is writing, you know, like, so

1338
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: you have a lot of like in all in all,

1339
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: there's like twenty people's hands on the pages and then

1340
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: last week tonight, I think there are ten writers, okay,

1341
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: and then obviously obviously John is writing and then showrunner.

1342
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: So when they give you, like, okay, tires you got

1343
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: a week? Is it just only you get tires? Does

1344
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: everyone get tires? Or like two or three people get tired?

1345
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: Like how it'll be two a couple of people, so

1346
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, a couple of people get kids scripts.

1347
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: And then and then you're you're you're always like trying

1348
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: to take the best of everything, you know, just trying

1349
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: to do all that stuff. So it's like, uh, you're

1350
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: you're you're always trying to find the best jokes by

1351
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: giving a couple of people a crack and seeing what

1352
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: they have in common or what parts they all think

1353
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: are funny or with what a joke here is? You're

1354
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: just trying to get volume of jokes because also it's like,

1355
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: what if somebody's just having a rough day or having

1356
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: a rough rough script, you want to have another one there.

1357
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's just just in general, there's a lot

1358
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: more there's a lot more solo writing at that show.

1359
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: What's the thing you're proudest of that you uh, that

1360
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: you were.

1361
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: Out Tucker Cross an episode I that is that that

1362
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: nothing I have made in political television has had as

1363
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: much of my voice in it as that episode. That is,

1364
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: I had friends calling me who were like, I know

1365
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: that you did that. I know because it was like

1366
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: that was an episode that that I mean, I didn't

1367
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: pitch that we talk about Tucker, but like that was

1368
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: an episode where and obviously you know multiple people writing,

1369
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: and John are writing, and you know it's like it's

1370
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: not like I wrote the whole thing or I picked

1371
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: that it's my exact argument, But like that one I

1372
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: am most proud of because it is most what I

1373
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: would say if I was behind the desk with my

1374
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: kind of jokes, like that was that was me in

1375
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: my peak, I think was doing that. So I'm very

1376
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: proud of that. And to make a thing that's thirty

1377
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: minutes long that you can show to your white friend

1378
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: to go, this is why your cousin is turning into

1379
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: a neo Nazi. Think you think they're just listening to

1380
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: like a libertarian and a bow tie, they're becoming a

1381
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: neo Nazi And this is how. And so let's break

1382
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: down and because I'm obsessed with Tucker, right and would

1383
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: love to fight him in Central Park if you ever

1384
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: see publicly, because because yes, he's taller than me, but he's.

1385
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: He can't fight. He definitely can't fight.

1386
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

1387
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: There's two there's two types of people that talk is

1388
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: reckless as Tucker crossing. People who have been who are

1389
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: about that life, have been in a lot of fights,

1390
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: and people who ain't never been in a fight. Yeah,

1391
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: and he gives me a lot of the ladder.

1392
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean I think he got beat up a lot. Yeah,

1393
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: but you know after after his mom abandoned him.

1394
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a fight and getting beat up two different things.

1395
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: You get beat up, you weren't in a fight, You

1396
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: got beat up. He ain't been in a fight.

1397
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: I would love to for charity. I'll do it for charity.

1398
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: I'll do I'll pay He's like, if I lose, I

1399
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: will donate it to whatever, like white replacement.

1400
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'll pay the fee, just like I got to go.

1401
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: I want to Central Park, middle of Central Park. Let's go.

1402
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It would be so because he just

1403
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: because he's so it's so fake and that was so

1404
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: good about that was going through and being like this

1405
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: guy like he is a rich coastal elite little pretty

1406
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: boy who is like never he has never like he

1407
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: has never used a truck to pick something up, or

1408
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 2: his own breake pads or done any or like own

1409
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: like really groomed a horse or all right, I've done

1410
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: because I grew up on a farm. He hasn't done

1411
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: any of that. But he wants to go on TV

1412
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: and be like, I'm talking to you real America. It's like,

1413
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: all right, fucking mister monopoly, right, is that normal? Oh

1414
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: my gosh. Yes, he's just so he's so fake that

1415
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, he's that he's a happy Gilmour villain.

1416
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, are you selling he's selling products for

1417
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: tanning your balls? Like he's not he's not that guy.

1418
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just it's just it's so sad, and it's sad.

1419
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, and you know what's even worse. Like

1420
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: the thing that's the worst about like that side of

1421
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: commentary is it doesn't even matter if you're a fraud,

1422
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: like like at least like on the left as a

1423
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: level of integrity, where like yeah, like if you were

1424
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: if you were fucked up back in the day, it'll

1425
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: come up like it'll like it'll be like e. He's

1426
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: right today. But y'all remember the ship he used to say, Well,

1427
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: then it is just like listen, Tammy Lauren is a

1428
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: good white American woman. Why I don't understand why y'all question.

1429
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: It's like, well then she used to be like a

1430
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: pro choice liberal that that uh until yesterday. Yeah, we

1431
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: don't care.

1432
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: We don't care.

1433
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 5: As long as she take us to victory. We don't

1434
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 5: care how we get like that.

1435
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 2: They will go fine if you literally liberal TV writer

1436
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: becomes a truth telling every.

1437
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: And make good money too, honest to God, every black person,

1438
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: if y'all understand the temptation we have to live with,

1439
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: every black person could be a Fox New celebrity. Now

1440
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't last long, right, No, because getting a new

1441
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: mid yeah, like it's Highlander. There also got a version

1442
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: of diversity Highlander, and there will be a new person

1443
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: that will ninety days.

1444
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 5: You good if you get one hundred and twenty.

1445
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but find a major minor league baseball player who's

1446
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: like yes, because like God hates in racial marriage.

1447
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: Because they have the lowest qualifications for all of their

1448
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: stuff about like a firm direction and shit. Their qualification

1449
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: for their blacks is the bottom of the it's just

1450
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: be black like uh, hershel Walker, Like every time a

1451
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: clip of him goes viral, it looks like someone is

1452
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: auto filling from their iPhone as they make a speech.

1453
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's gonna get of course.

1454
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: Because the complain about diversity hiring and about affirmative action,

1455
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: about all these things from white people who are racist

1456
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: but disguise it as being concerned or whatever they do,

1457
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: is that the argument is, well, we just need the

1458
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: people who are most qualified, and so if the liberals

1459
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: let everyone just mandate minorities get in, they won't be

1460
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: as qualified, the unspoken part being because whites are more

1461
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: qualified and right, the races are inferior, blah blah blah

1462
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: blah blah. But when you look at the black people

1463
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 2: that the conservative movement chooses to be their mouthpieces, right,

1464
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: they are completely unqualified. It just exists. The meritocracy disappears

1465
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 2: when you're looking for a black pope.

1466
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 3: I don't want to say and I'm glad they got

1467
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: rid of part. I'm a relaxing got them got them to.

1468
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's talking about dominant self. Also, the thing that's

1469
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: interesting to me is and I would love to be

1470
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: in the non existent group chat. But there has to

1471
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: be in fighting amongst the coon contingent, yes, like because

1472
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: there has to be like a bitterness and an anger

1473
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: when it's your time to go, Like like Stacy Dash

1474
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: had to be so fucking mad at dominant self, you

1475
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's like, look at these

1476
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: I already don't like black people. I barely like myself,

1477
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: and then y'all bring these motherfuckers on.

1478
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: I was.

1479
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: Somebody comes and steps it up and you're like, but

1480
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: I already sold up. I sold out. Yeah, somebody sold

1481
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: out past me, right.

1482
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: I can't go back to my people.

1483
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith feels about Ketrick Perkins.

1484
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's absolutely agregious right there.

1485
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: That's what I do, baby, Absolutely, that's absolutely agregious. I

1486
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 2: take big swings.

1487
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: You should have compliment.

1488
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: I think you actually have my friends who are going

1489
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: to make a show. It's like we're gonna get canceled

1490
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 2: the first show.

1491
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: You actually have to compliment Stephen A. Smith for about

1492
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: thirty seconds before you say something bad.

1493
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: That's book. I like, he was on our show and

1494
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: he was very nice and his interview was terrifying, and

1495
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: uh he's a scary man.

1496
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: But you gotta be like, you gotta be like. I

1497
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: absolutely loved his brother. Okay, I would, I would go

1498
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: to dinner with him.

1499
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: I would give him not from me, but from someone

1500
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: in my immediate.

1501
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: I call his mother every Sunday night just to check

1502
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: in on him.

1503
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: But step.

1504
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: This brother, that dude is the best, oh the best,

1505
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: slash worst.

1506
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, I lose what I want. I want Steven A.

1507
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: Smith to cut a promo on Eric Adams. That's what

1508
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: I want. Oh this bald man, Now, I love this man.

1509
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: I was at the Next game. Yeah he said, sharing

1510
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: a pretzel, He's put extra cops the sun got no box.

1511
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be agreed.

1512
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: That's what I want. Man, go after him. When I

1513
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: was at the Fashion Institute of Technology, you could ride

1514
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: the bus.

1515
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no cops on the bus. Like yeah, So like

1516
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: the other thing too, because obviously, you know, I know

1517
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: about working with you on game theory and it was

1518
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: honor and the pleasure and I really appreciate it. And

1519
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: straight up like we had a lot of conversations. You

1520
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: let me pick your brain because like that is my thing.

1521
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: If you come in my office and I'm gonna ask

1522
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: questions because I don't know ship and I definitely don't

1523
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: want to be walking like. I would learn it and

1524
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh, so that's how you do that, okay,

1525
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: and then I would try to utilize that stuff in

1526
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: the process later on. Man, it was a big help.

1527
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: Man was doing everything.

1528
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 5: Roger was like reading emails and stuff, and the lady.

1529
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: Was like, you read the emails.

1530
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 5: Roger was like, read the emails.

1531
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, you had a couch in your office, so

1532
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: that that's a for me. It's the number one magnetic couch.

1533
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: Couch in your office.

1534
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: I will come lay basketball hoop. We had, of course

1535
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: the chalkboard, which I would sometimes write controversial takes on,

1536
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: like here's the top ten Star Wars movies in this order,

1537
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: and then people will come in and be like, no,

1538
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: this is the right order. And it helped it kept us.

1539
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: It kept I think it kind of made people come

1540
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: through and chum it up and hang out and stuff.

1541
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: And like I said, I learned a lot of shit

1542
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: from you, Greg, which I really appreciate. What about the

1543
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: podcast stuff though, Like, how'd you get into podcasting? Was

1544
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: yumbing up your first podcast?

1545
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: No? Well, one note on the other thing that you said,

1546
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: It's like, also, I think we talked about a lot

1547
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: is that you are good at the job. I think

1548
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: it makes all the notes easy. Is that there are

1549
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: people who are not do not have the basic innate

1550
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: talent to do late night, and that's because they're bad people.

1551
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: It's just because like it's a specific scut of and

1552
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: a personality type and the ability to be rejected ninety

1553
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: nine times and still come back for one hundred when

1554
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: you get a joke.

1555
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: In oh Man. Honestly, my favorite thing was you know

1556
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: all when like we would so we had to share

1557
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: a documents and we can all see each other working

1558
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: because like once it came to COVID, it was like

1559
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: we had to do it this way. So I would

1560
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: always be hyped to do the alls, especially show day,

1561
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: even because I'm like, it's the job. I get that,

1562
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's work, but we got either we do

1563
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: it or or wet have a whack ass show. So

1564
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: we'd be doing it and like, I know Greg specifically,

1565
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: I would see you and there going I'm like cool,

1566
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: we like let's fucking go. Let's be cause sometimes the

1567
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: other people are like, you know, bullshitting for lack of

1568
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: a better term, it's like here's a joke. That is

1569
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna make it about Adam McKay, Like that

1570
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 1: shit ain't going in there. We know that ain't gonna happen.

1571
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: So let's for those of us who are trying to

1572
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: submit actual jokes, let's get in there. And I used

1573
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: to look forward to that, man.

1574
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean one thing about Alts at any show, I

1575
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 2: think I think the best in the best vibe for

1576
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: all should be everyone feels free to rip ideas that

1577
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: they think are good enough to get on. So not

1578
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: necessarily not or maybe not good enough to get on.

1579
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: They know they they're not uh, they're not an automatic.

1580
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: No anything that's not an automatic. No, throw it in there.

1581
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: And then if we have forty, then you can have

1582
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: a second or two at the end where you can

1583
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: tell all the writers like, please go back and look

1584
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: at yours, and if there's somebody, yeah, I'm not gonna

1585
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 2: get picked, please cut those out. But also like that

1586
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 2: it is free, and like when somebody does break that

1587
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 2: rule to put one in, it's like they want them

1588
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: to say, like, yeah, like I'm gonna kill the president

1589
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, everyone laughs doing something very hard at

1590
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: the time, crunch, and then that guy goes back and

1591
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: then like ERASISTM.

1592
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell because Greg, Greg will always we

1593
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: get you know, even rifferent and then you get to

1594
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: like about the dayline. Greg's like, all right, so now's

1595
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: the time if anybody wants to like go back and

1596
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: look at some jokes like yeah, because somebody these motherfuckers

1597
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: will wow, this the ship shouldn't be here. What y'all doing.

1598
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna get in trouble that.

1599
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 2: I also think there's there's the you really want some

1600
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: alts that aren't just the first time your eyes have

1601
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: been on it. So like if you go back, you

1602
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: might go, oh, I'm actually gonna cut three words out

1603
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: of this because it's like when you're at an ault,

1604
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: you really are giving somebody something almost straight to prompter,

1605
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: so you want it to be as time perfect as

1606
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: it is. But yeah, it's like, so you are doing

1607
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 2: a hard thing, but the more fast and the least

1608
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: you can keep it that you want to. But but yeah,

1609
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean it was just you. You asked a lot

1610
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: of questions and the lot of stuff. But I think

1611
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: I told you many times in person like you just

1612
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: you did man, you were I was like, and that

1613
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: that that makes the difference because It's like the thing,

1614
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: if you couldn't shoot a basketball, then I can't make

1615
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: you a basketball player. But you can you can do

1616
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: the skill.

1617
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: And so then no, I was like one of the

1618
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: first conversations I remember I was having, was you know,

1619
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: because we have meetings and ship and all that stuff,

1620
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: but you just came out of office like I forget

1621
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: what I submitted, but he read something. He was like,

1622
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: you're good, all right, thanks man.

1623
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: I realize now could sound like super cocky that I

1624
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: walk out. I'm like, I'm the arbiter of It's.

1625
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: Like, nah, I mean to be honest, I think a

1626
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: lot of people have like what you call it imposter syndrome, Right,

1627
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: so you gotta deal with that. I'm a black person

1628
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: in this late night industry doing this black show. You

1629
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna definitely end up with the ship

1630
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: we talk about, was gonna definitely end up having some detractors.

1631
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: Let's say, so you know the have I'm never gonna

1632
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: knock a compliment, man, because uh, you ain't necessarily they're

1633
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: guaranteed to get one, even if you are good as

1634
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: a black person in the industry. Like still motherfuckers feel

1635
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: like they can't tell you that, but yeah, and then

1636
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: also it's my first job.

1637
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have imposter syndrome anymore. Yeah,

1638
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: what I do have is the fear that a bunch

1639
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: of idiots aren't gonna recognize that I'm good at Yeah.

1640
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: So it's not like they're gonna find out. I bet

1641
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: I'll never get a job. It'll be they're dumb and

1642
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: they won't hire me. Yeah, I'm not gonna not be

1643
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: good they're Yeah.

1644
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of black people have that, but

1645
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: we think it's in foster syndrome, but it's really just racism.

1646
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: Being qualified isn't enough. Yeah, you also have to make

1647
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 2: white people.

1648
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you sure anybody's gonna get this referenced that

1649
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: people watch Martin, Like everyone watched Martin? Oh god, I

1650
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: got to rewrite a joke.

1651
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 2: My thing when people do that is like, can I

1652
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: do that for all of your references that you assume

1653
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: all white people know? Not all white people know the

1654
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: same thing. So we're gonna, oh, everyone watches Succession, right, true?

1655
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: I think that's you guys exactly. So yeah, it's like,

1656
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: oh there is RuPaul's drag race joke. Great show, right,

1657
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: four million people watch it? So right compared to an

1658
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 2: NFL joke, is that what?

1659
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: More so, also, like I said with the podcast day,

1660
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: how'd you get into podcast and in general?

1661
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,839
Speaker 2: When I worked at a youth at this youth ministry

1662
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: company two thousand and six maybe seven, podcasting this new thing, podcasting,

1663
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, we're building we got new desks.

1664
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 2: Me and my buddy Adam, we're building our desks in

1665
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: our office at like because it's a nonprofit. It's like

1666
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: and we're like, hey, let's uh, we should do a podcast.

1667
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: And this has been it was this is very much

1668
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: a greguy Winsky project where I go, Okay, let's do it.

1669
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: And then we didn't ask anyone at work or anything.

1670
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 2: We just like took some mics and some stuff and

1671
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: we made a podcast and we put it up and

1672
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: then we were like, hey, we made a podcast. And

1673
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: they were like, I'm sorry what and we're like, yeah,

1674
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: they didn't know what it is. They didn't Oh my god.

1675
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: And so I started making podcasts. I like would like

1676
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: review movies and I would we would like talk about

1677
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: like pop culture, and I just got a bunch of

1678
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: did random stuff, interviews and things, bands coming in and

1679
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: we just did a lot of podcasting then, and that

1680
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 2: helped me build like figure out how like oh me

1681
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 2: and Garage banded a mic, I can at least make

1682
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: a functioning podcast. So I did that and that, and

1683
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: then like years and years later, during the Trump election,

1684
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: I made a podcast that was called Lose Lose with

1685
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: Greg Iwinsky, and it was about how bad the election

1686
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 2: was going to be because it was either Trump or

1687
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: Hillary and they were not the same level of bad,

1688
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: but both choices that I didn't it was someone who

1689
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: called black people superpredators or a super predator, So not

1690
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: a great two choices. So but you know what I mean,

1691
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 2: I mister like Lefty Waco man.

1692
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: Yeah me. It was funny, like one of the first

1693
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: conversations me and Greg had because also my co office

1694
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: mate Tommy is like for the proletary, you know what

1695
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that motherfucker is his his his desk

1696
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: was just.

1697
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: Like if they did a reverse January sixth, he would

1698
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 2: be there.

1699
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah like yeah, so like, uh, they was fitting something.

1700
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let me just bring my

1701
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: Southern perspective to this real quick. We don't got time

1702
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: to play these games. I'm scared of what happens if

1703
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: white people get in the power.

1704
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about this a couple of days

1705
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: ago that it was like, I think you and I

1706
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: are a great example of the black diaspora of like

1707
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: a black person who grows up in the American West

1708
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: versus a black person who grows up in the South. Yeah,

1709
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: very different experience. They're both tremendously impacted by racists, right,

1710
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 2: but have such different ideas of like what the answers

1711
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 2: are from the West, because you're like, because there's no

1712
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: history in the West, and the West it was like

1713
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: we had guns too, baby.

1714
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you ain't like a black person from

1715
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: Berkeley is like, oh y'all different.

1716
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all different.

1717
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: And especially coming from Arizona, where it was like like yeah,

1718
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 2: straight one hundred years ago, we were straight up cowboys, right,

1719
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: you know. So it's it's it's just that there's all

1720
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 2: the vibes are different, yeah, I think. But yeah. So

1721
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: I did this podcast and it was basically doing an

1722
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 2: audio last week tonight episode. So it's twenty it's a

1723
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,759
Speaker 2: week on like what was happening in the election, putting

1724
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: clips in responding to them to show I could do it,

1725
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: and that was really fun and hard work, but it's

1726
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 2: so fun. And then I know Tim Barnes from being

1727
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: black in Chicago. It was a tiny group of black

1728
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 2: people ten years ago Stargo and so I knew Tim

1729
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: and he loved Star Wars. I love Star Wars. And

1730
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: then Jim he had known from Comedy Central, and so

1731
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 2: the three of us were like, hey man, the pandemic

1732
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: sucks and it's like crushing us. So this would even

1733
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: even if this podcast is not popular, which it is not.

1734
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: It's really not, but it was like, even if we're

1735
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: just doing it for ourselves, it's a chance to escape

1736
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: the pandemic for a night. Oh And so we started

1737
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: doing it that way. Wanted to keep it really positive,

1738
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: and it's been very fun to do because it's just

1739
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it is funny. The people that do listen

1740
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: and support it and like it, and that's it's very great,

1741
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: but it is so much of it. It's just been

1742
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: like us getting together and being like, Okay, what's what

1743
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: are we excited about. It's something that's positive we could

1744
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: be excited about this week and getting to talk about it.

1745
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 2: So it's it's been a different podcast experience for me

1746
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 2: because it's been with other people and uh, you know,

1747
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: we just finished season three, were starting season four in

1748
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: like next week, and uh so that's been really really fun. Again.

1749
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: I feel like podcasting has changed so much because when

1750
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: I started it in the mid two thousands, you know,

1751
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: Marin hadn't even blown up yet, Like yeah, podcast, it

1752
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 2: was like just serial I think, or like something like

1753
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: there were.

1754
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: It was this American life and that was every Dan

1755
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: Carlin's hardcore history. Like I remember these days of the.

1756
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 5: Because I used to think it was all white.

1757
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we started our show, I want to say twenty

1758
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: ten or something like that.

1759
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: Team, Yeah, and.

1760
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: I remember people would be like, I found your show

1761
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: because I just put in black and in the Apple

1762
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: search for podcast, and y'all were the only show that

1763
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: came up with black people.

1764
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 3: And the only reason why I got named that was

1765
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: because I was like, I don't know, you might replace

1766
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: me because it would have been called riding Caring show

1767
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1768
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, I have to no, it's it's yeah,

1769
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 2: it's just when I was when. I feel like when

1770
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 2: I got into it, it was just like a weird thing

1771
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,560
Speaker 2: that people did for fun and now it's an industry

1772
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: and so I am still not doing it. I'm not

1773
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 2: doing it at an industry level, Like we don't like

1774
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: our podcasts don't advertise. We're not part of a podcast techtwork.

1775
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it would love to be in a podcast network,

1776
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: but I don't even know. I don't know how that

1777
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: even works, like that stuff or advertising whatever. It's like, no,

1778
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: it's just we're just literally like making your garage band file,

1779
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: putting it up and being like, okay, we'll tell you.

1780
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: And now everything is so monetized you would like the

1781
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: game of telling people how to get on is now

1782
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: something you have to pay for it, where it's like

1783
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: we're having a podcast conference, who's gonna tell you how

1784
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: to monetize your show or whatever, how to join a

1785
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: network that'll be seven hundred dollars and plus plane tickets.

1786
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: And you're like, fuck, I don't. I'm just having fun

1787
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: talking to my boys every week, I know, and right, And.

1788
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 5: What they don't you is like they're actually are no rules.

1789
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 3: Because me and Roger have been at conferences where we

1790
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: spoke and people have went up and they have said

1791
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 3: all these things and we said there we was like,

1792
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: we're completely opposite.

1793
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 5: Of everything that they're saying.

1794
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 3: And we've done it these many years and we are

1795
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: monetizing and blah blah blah blah blah. So we don't

1796
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 3: know what to tell you, but it you know, it's

1797
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 3: whatever you make.

1798
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: We've been on panels where people are like, first thing

1799
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: you need to do is get to one hundred million listeners.

1800
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, no the fuck you don't like I think

1801
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: it was one hundred thousand before you even what was

1802
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: And we were at Revoked Con. I want to say

1803
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: it was like Combat Jack, Nori, dj F and a

1804
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: couple other like big time podcasters, and of course.

1805
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: The white half is coming out right now.

1806
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, drink chaps. So we're on stage

1807
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: and they're like asking everyone on the panel like questions,

1808
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: and it was so funny to watch because like, this

1809
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: audience is a bunch of people that are like interested

1810
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: in either becoming podcast just learning about podcasting, fans of podcasts.

1811
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: So they're like, you know, what do you think about

1812
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: this topic? Combat Jack or whatever. He's like, all right,

1813
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: so you need to get to one hundred thousand. If

1814
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: you don't have one hundred thousand people listening per episode,

1815
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: don't even try to monetize because they're not gonna be

1816
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: good at it that right, And then you know, DJFN,

1817
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: what do you think? And he's like, oh, I need

1818
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: to be this many people and this many times, and

1819
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: they get to us and we're like, all right, so

1820
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: like we need to do it five days and it

1821
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: could and listen, all you really need is like five

1822
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: hundred people that's willing to like pay to listen, And

1823
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: it really don't matter how much is you get start

1824
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: with that much and all you need is enough money

1825
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: to pay for your hosting fees. So like you really

1826
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: don't even need five You could get ten people to

1827
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: give you five dollars. Now you're hosting for free. And like,

1828
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 1: as the panel went along, we kept doing those answers.

1829
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: You can see the audience just waiting for us to

1830
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: cause they're like, we can't do whatever the.

1831
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 5: Fuck y'all are talking like they on a different level.

1832
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: We ain't there yet, Like we get on stage, like

1833
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: they're crowding around us and shit, like all types of questions. Yeah, man,

1834
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: hold up, so I'm a student and you were saying

1835
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: it only costs twenty five dollars if you host on

1836
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: such and such, I'm like, you can host it for

1837
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:07,879
Speaker 1: free on this website.

1838
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 2: So it was and what kind of mike I'm hosting

1839
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: on like lip sand which I got on like in

1840
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: the mid two thousands, just went back. I was like, yeah,

1841
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: ten dollars a month or whatever. Yeah, I do a

1842
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: couple episodes. But also it's like I don't even like

1843
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 2: what is what are good numbers for podcasts?

1844
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the thing.

1845
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: People are like, you were like, is it doing well?

1846
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm like I don't because.

1847
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 5: There's no standard, Like it's no industry standards.

1848
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: Well, if you one of the things I did a

1849
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: long time ago is look up This was like a

1850
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: survey of study about podcasts. And I'm sure y'all can

1851
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: go it or whatever, but it would tell you like

1852
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: these averages. So everyone that has a podcast, especially if

1853
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: you feel like it's not successful enough and you feel

1854
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: like whatever, go look up these studies because I guarantee

1855
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: you gonna be like, oh, I'm tripping. Because it was

1856
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: like the average podcast is last six episodes shit like that.

1857
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,919
Speaker 1: The average podcast has less than like one hundred listeners,

1858
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. So it's like we're killing ourselves.

1859
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: And then the thing that for us that did it

1860
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: was once we went to Spotify and you see, like

1861
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: you're talking to other people that have podcasts there and

1862
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: you're like, man, this podcast seems like a big deal,

1863
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: but we're doing better than them, and we're decidedly not

1864
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: as big a deal as them. Because a lot of

1865
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: it at this point, as you brought up with it

1866
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: being the industry now, is about appearing to be a

1867
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: big deal. Right. People gave us so much props for

1868
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: getting on Spotify, and because it's like a white coat sign, like, oh,

1869
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: you guys did it, but we lost listeners because we're

1870
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: going platform exclusives, so you're like losing downloads, you're losing

1871
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 1: active listeners and stuff. And it's like, well, we're getting

1872
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: paid from this company, but we're getting less listenership than

1873
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: we had before. So what's the real success there? You know?

1874
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Is it success that hey, I mean, obviously we took

1875
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: the money. Is it success that we're getting paid, Sure,

1876
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that's that's success there. But if it's success that our

1877
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 1: reach got smaller even as people treat us like our

1878
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: reach got bigger, there's a disconnection there. So you know,

1879
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, uh, I would

1880
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: just uh work like make sure your shit is done

1881
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: weekly or whenever you set a schedule monthly, stick to

1882
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,480
Speaker 1: your schedule, and a lot of times you grow organically

1883
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: and by doing crossovers and stuff like this. That's been more.

1884
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: That's been better than advertising for us. Yes, the only

1885
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: other time we grew faster than this was, uh, when

1886
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: we were on Spotify. Spotify could just hit like a

1887
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: switch and it would tell everyone that logged in that

1888
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: had similar podcast tastes, like go listen to Ron and

1889
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Karen and then you see the numbers jump the fuck

1890
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: up and then and then come down. It's like like

1891
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: a like a two weeks later when they stopped doing it,

1892
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: come back down a bit, and you're like, why don't

1893
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: you just do that every day? Y'all do that shit

1894
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: for Joe Rogan, Just fucking turn on the switch for us,

1895
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: we'll be we'll be the number ten podcast on Spotify

1896
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,879
Speaker 1: and then and then you can fucking you know but whatever.

1897
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I love the show. The main thing

1898
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: I like about it is that y'all like Star Wars,

1899
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: and not even in a in the like patronizing way,

1900
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: because obviously there's still things that y'all like they could

1901
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: do better about this, or you know, I'd like to

1902
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: see this instead or whatever. But y'all don't come at

1903
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: it from the way that's been really popularized, which is like,

1904
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to know women helping my Star Wars

1905
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: remember back in the day when it was just a

1906
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: white man and his white friends saving the galaxy. Like

1907
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: I love that. Y'all are just more.

1908
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 5: Like everything else can be made up, but not black people.

1909
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all are actively inclusive and well, I.

1910
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: Mean we're one of, if not the only, I think

1911
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: we're one of one of the only podcasts Star Wars

1912
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: podcasts which are there are over five hundred Star Wars podcasts. Wow,

1913
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how many are active all the time,

1914
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: and there's a database and like there are, you know,

1915
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: over five hundred shows. I think we're the only one

1916
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: that's two black people on it. Wow, maybe I'm wrong,

1917
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: And I would love to know about the show that. Yeah,

1918
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: has multiple black posts on Stars, but not that I

1919
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: have seen or heard of. And so you know, there

1920
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: are great black people in Stars. Christina Ariel, who's hosting

1921
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: the High Republic show, who I got to meet at

1922
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: Star Wars celebration she's awesome. There's just there's a lot

1923
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: of great people doing stuff. But I think the difference

1924
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: is that our way of doing Star Wars is not monetizable. So,

1925
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 2: like you, if we even even if we moved from

1926
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 2: making your podcast to really long YouTube videos with like

1927
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 2: clickbait titles, they know you don't make that kind of

1928
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 2: internet star Wars money off liking stuff right because it's

1929
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 2: not controversial and you don't. You don't doesn't make you

1930
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: want to respond, It doesn't make you want to share it.

1931
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: It makes you just go. Those those guys, I had

1932
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: a fun time. And the thing is, I'm coming from

1933
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 2: a comedy background. I was like, I don't need this

1934
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 2: show to be monetized. It's I'm doing it for fun.

1935
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 2: So when you finish it, I wanted to go. That

1936
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 2: was fun. I got to hang out with those guys

1937
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: and hear them talk about stuff that was fun. We

1938
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: did a fun, dumb thing and like and so we're

1939
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 2: trying to be inclusive, yeah, but I think just like

1940
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 2: less inclusive, more representative of just like we know, I

1941
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: know everybody likes Star Wars. I know those people of

1942
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: every description that likes Stars, they might like a different

1943
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: part than I do. When I was at I remember

1944
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: when I was at Star Wars celebration in Anaheim a

1945
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: couple months ago, they had a droid racing competition where

1946
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: you would build and race droids and I was waiting

1947
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: to see a friend to go to a different thing.

1948
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: And this family, mom, dad, two kids, black family in

1949
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 2: matching custom mechanic jackets for their families droid building teams adorable.

1950
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: They like went to the bathroom and then came out

1951
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 2: and got ready for their race, and I'm.

1952
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: Like, oh, like about the cons It was great.

1953
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: But they like Star Wars in a totally different way

1954
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: than me. And it's cool because I don't have to

1955
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: get it that. I'm like, it's big enough that they

1956
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: could be like I think that's cool. I'm not gonna

1957
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: sit and watch these races because I gotta be this

1958
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: other thing. But that's so cool that you like that

1959
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 2: enough that you guys came here just to do that,

1960
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: Like it was. It's it's great, and so like we

1961
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: like it. We're trying to be exclusive. I mean, we

1962
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 2: have a ways to go. I don't we need to

1963
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 2: have a lot more women on our show, which is

1964
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: like because we've had a lot of guests, but not

1965
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: enough women on the show, and like because also it's

1966
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 2: like you don't. It's the stereotypical weird thing of like

1967
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 2: you feel bad asking somebody like like when we go

1968
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: through my phone, Hi, hey you yeah you like Star Wars? Women?

1969
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 2: Do you like Star Wars? So we've got some people

1970
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 2: lined up that I think are going to be fun.

1971
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I talk about stuff, but now I think I think

1972
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 1: the thing for me is like and like, like the

1973
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: episode we all talked about the reaction to Reva and

1974
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like that kind of thing is so

1975
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: important to me because it's like a lot of there's

1976
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: this line there. Do you either have the people that

1977
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: do the clickbait like I hate Star Wars and let

1978
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: me tell you why social justice warriors are blah blah blah.

1979
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 1: You got so throw them out right, we know they're terrible,

1980
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: But then you have people that think they're kind of

1981
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: like well intentioned or whatever, but then they do this

1982
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: thing of like, well, what we'll do is we'll just

1983
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: not talk about how toxic the fan base can be,

1984
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: because you know, we just want to keep it ling

1985
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: and talk about the show. And you're like, yeah, but

1986
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 1: like that it should be news that this woman was

1987
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: harassed enough to where it and the man who plays

1988
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Obi Wan and produces the show had to make a

1989
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: video that feels relevant to and so I like that

1990
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: y'all don't like dodge that kind of stuff. And like

1991
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I said, I love the podcast. I listen every week

1992
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: and you guys are you guys are killing it.

1993
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: Man, thank you so much. I mean we yeah, I

1994
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 2: think we because we're talking about it as people who

1995
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 2: make television and make visual art, we also want to

1996
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 2: talk about that TV side and the entertainment side, you know,

1997
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: even with the Moses and stuff. But I think also

1998
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 2: I was just on it. I was on another Star

1999
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 2: Wars podcast recently, you know, and it was uh and

2000
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: I got asked by the host, who was white but

2001
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 2: is also very active about calling out those people you

2002
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 2: know about like, well, what is it like as a

2003
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 2: black fan to see all that stuff? And I'll be honest,

2004
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 2: like my honest answer was like, honestly, it's it's like

2005
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 2: every sector of life has horrible white racist in it.

2006
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 2: So I'm there's no part of me that's like surprised

2007
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,919
Speaker 2: or bothered or I don't think I'm like more bothered,

2008
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: like and I think the like, the way I would

2009
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 2: put it is like there are some white people who

2010
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,839
Speaker 2: are like storming the capitol to hang the vice president,

2011
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 2: and then there are some people who are saying that

2012
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 2: this space wizard shouldn't be brown, and I'm way more

2013
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: scared of the insurrection. Ones like these guys are like,

2014
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 2: like I mean, like really bad white men do mass shootings, right,

2015
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: mildly bad white.

2016
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Men complains won't leave the house, you know.

2017
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: And but also it's like, I guess my thing, my

2018
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: biggest thing about them, I say this on the show

2019
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: time is like, but you guys lost because you don't

2020
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 2: make anything, yeah, right, which which I mean uh. Connor

2021
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: talked about who plays George Lucas on George Lucas Talk Show,

2022
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 2: which is like put your script up, like don't because

2023
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 2: here they do this bs. I'm gonna get on a

2024
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 2: little Star Wars rant, you know, right here at the end.

2025
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: But like there's these now they're doing these fan edits

2026
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 2: of Kenobi and I love fan film. Star Wars is

2027
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 2: a bunch of a big fan film community. People who

2028
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 2: make original Star Wars movies themselves. They put a ton

2029
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: of time and money into it, and some are cheesy,

2030
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 2: some er good whatever, but it's great that you made

2031
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah, And then you have people who are like, no, no, no,

2032
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in and fan edit because what they

2033
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 2: think that means that is that it makes them a director,

2034
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: a writer, a creator. But it doesn't it makes them

2035
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 2: a DJ, right, Yeah, And so it's like it's like,

2036
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 2: you guys haven't done anything. You can't make anything, And

2037
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm over here like I'm like, I make TV shows.

2038
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 2: That's what I get to do. I might dream I

2039
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: go make a TV show and people like it or don't,

2040
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 2: But I made a TV show. You made a comment, right,

2041
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 2: you made a little internet thing. You didn't make anything.

2042
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: So you can be so mad that it didn't go

2043
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: the way you want. But part of that's because no

2044
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 2: one likes being around you or you're ideas enough to

2045
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 2: pay you to do it. Is that so as much

2046
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 2: as they want to get everything riled up and blah

2047
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: blah blah, it's like you guys are just a bunch

2048
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 2: of dudes standing outside the movie theater complaining it didn't

2049
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 2: go the way you want it. Yeah, that's been happening forever,

2050
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 2: and you, guys, the only way that changes if you is,

2051
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: if you grow enough talent to actually make something people

2052
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 2: would be willing to see.

2053
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: It also reminds the other thing, and this is why

2054
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: I get like defensive the further the shit goes along,

2055
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: because like just the way capitalism works and Hollywood works,

2056
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: it stars getting to us around now, and so now

2057
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: here's like like if Grey's gonna get the right of

2058
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Star Wars film is gonna happen around now, right, so

2059
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna be h three years ago, so

2060
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so so it's like right when it

2061
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: gets to now is whenever I was like over it,

2062
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not over it

2063
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: yet because they keep announcing like now you're announcing all

2064
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: these women are getting stuff, Taikawati is getting something like no,

2065
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm actually more interested. And honestly, the further it gets

2066
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: away from some of the main characters, the more I

2067
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: get interested. Where I'm like, oh cool, they got to

2068
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: create some totally. Like Reva was a big deal for

2069
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: me because I was like, huh, never seen this before.

2070
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of her, didn't really know anything boom,

2071
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: but I'm interested to know her story and yes, there's

2072
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 1: a black woman fortraying her, Like that's a big deal

2073
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:35,520
Speaker 1: for me. And I remember when we saw The Force Awakens,

2074
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,839
Speaker 1: it was like I and like one of the complaints

2075
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: that from the people we knew was like, man, you know,

2076
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 1: as a black woman, I love this. I love Star

2077
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: Wars too, but I always feel like I'm not represented.

2078
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: And they had been looking forward to Lapita Nyango and

2079
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: she ended up playing maz As like a like a

2080
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: CGI and they were like, you know, I was in

2081
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: the trailer. I was hoping, like she's gonna be the

2082
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: one to take off the helmet and we're gonna get

2083
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: to see her. And so it took years. You get

2084
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: you get Riva, and then people are like, isn't it

2085
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 1: just diversity and social judges like what the fuck is

2086
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: wrong with you? I want to see this, like I

2087
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: do want to see what they do, and I hope

2088
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: they do it justice. So I, like I said, I

2089
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that about your podcast, and that's you know, part

2090
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: of my fandom too.

2091
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 2: You know, well thank you, And I think I mean again,

2092
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 2: it's like, there are plenty of things that we don't love,

2093
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 2: and I think the actual mature thing as you go okay. Yeah. Basically,

2094
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: it's like it's like I didn't like it, Okay, yeah,

2095
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: I moved on with my life. There's other things. So

2096
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 2: it's like if one of the shows isn't that good,

2097
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 2: or if a movie isn't that good, or the book

2098
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 2: isn't I go, okay, all right, this is there, gonna.

2099
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Make more it's not and it might be going to

2100
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: someone else and like I'm glad you found your thing,

2101
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2102
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 2: It's like if I go to a restaurant and they

2103
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 2: have a new fish special and I try and I

2104
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 2: don't like it. I'm not like I'm gonna stand outside

2105
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: this restaurant in Boycott for the next four days because

2106
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: I didn't like how the salmon tasted. I just go

2107
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 2: somewhere else. That's what I do.

2108
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 5: Because if that's the case, that would be protesting.

2109
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: I gonna make a YouTube video just telling people don't

2110
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: eat salmon.

2111
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we get it, buddy, standing outside of Jack

2112
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 2: in the Box being like I got diarrhea.

2113
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, me and Sam and beef.

2114
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 2: It's the thing of going like there are things I

2115
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 2: like that aren't good, yes, and there are things I

2116
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 2: don't like that are good.

2117
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, say this all the time. Yeah, I hate

2118
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: I hated the Lego movie. I know, I know it's me.

2119
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't argue with people about it. I

2120
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck happened. I don't know. I

2121
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 1: wish I knew what happened so I could tell y'all

2122
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: why I don't like it, but I can't.

2123
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 2: Part of it is these guys are either not married

2124
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 2: or are really shitty husbands, because it's like being married,

2125
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 2: you have to do this thing where you're like, I

2126
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 2: hate this thing. So it's here, Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: We're watching Nardo ship you in and it's nothing but

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01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: fucking filler. For some reason, I don't know why. I

2129
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,839
Speaker 1: don't know when this happens the middle of the goddamn

2130
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: Last Great Ninja War, but they just decided to take

2131
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: seventeen episodes that go back in the day and talk

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01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 1: about sandwiches. But you know what, I just hit play

2133
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: and we sit there and we watch it together.

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01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 2: Yes, because a successful marriage both people have the skill

2135
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: where they can go this sucks and I'm okay with it.

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01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 1: Yes, you just gotta do that.

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01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, we're gonna eat at my favorite

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01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 2: you're my favorite place tonight. Okay, yeah, there's nothing there.

2139
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: I like, there's nothing on the menu. I like, if

2140
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 2: I try to eat something else secretly before or after,

2141
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 2: you're gonna find out to get mad. So I can't

2142
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: do that. So now, yeah, I guess we're eating what

2143
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 2: you like, and I'm gonna smile. And I've even because

2144
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: I know in a week we're gonna order what I like.

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01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I even tried. I even tried this thing one time, Greg,

2146
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: where you know with the apps, I can order something,

2147
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: you can order something. We don't have to order the

2148
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: same thing. For some reason, that didn't work. I don't

2149
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: know why. Philosophically, something happened, and I don't know what happened,

2150
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: but somehow I was wrong.

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01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 5: My brain was like, no, we need to order from

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01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 5: the same place.

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01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: I know that don't make no sense, y'all.

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01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 5: I know, I know it right right maybe, And I

2155
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 5: don't know if it's a mental thing or what.

2156
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: I know.

2157
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 3: I could go on an app order anything I want

2158
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 3: from anywhere, but I'm like, if you ordered chipope, ma,

2159
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 3: I got to order chipotele.

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01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 1: Do it makes pens?

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01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 5: No?

2162
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: When did you meet your wife? By the way, man,

2163
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask.

2164
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: I met her in twenty fourteen in the Starbucks across

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01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 2: the street from Madison Square Garden.

2166
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Wow, so you can't You had like a real New

2167
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: York story.

2168
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And then my kids were both born on Manhattan.

2169
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

2170
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 2: So I'm like I'm in New York. I didn't realize

2171
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: it until I like, we we've left for the summer

2172
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: to get out of town, and they didn't leave it.

2173
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, I somehow could come

2174
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 2: in New York.

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01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 1: Could you ever go back and live in Arizona? Like

2176
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: when this is all done, it's too hot? Yeah. Plus

2177
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I just saw something today that said, like they passed

2178
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the low you can't film the police in Arizona.

2179
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, But that's the other thing is

2180
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 2: like in Arizona though, it's like you can have a

2181
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 2: gun anywhere. So it's like, at least if you're a

2182
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 2: black person, you have a chance because you got a gun.

2183
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: They got a gun.

2184
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: You might do some okay corral ship.

2185
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like okay, yeah.

2186
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 5: The cactus got a gun there, But here's a gun.

2187
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: For you too.

2188
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 2: That's the one thing. It's like they're not doing an

2189
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,879
Speaker 2: Arvory to you area, because you could.

2190
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: Be like, I wouldn't mind the idea of everyone has

2191
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: over let's find out, I wouldn't mind the idea of

2192
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 1: everyone having a gun if they brought back the duel,

2193
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I think if everyone's gonna.

2194
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Have a gun, everyone, everyone should be able to have

2195
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 2: a gun. But not a pistol. Mmm, so like a

2196
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 2: musket fully automatic rifle. No, a semi automatic rifle, like

2197
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 2: the old ones from World War Two where it's like clean, clean,

2198
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 2: clean clean, you gotta put a new one in. It's like, okay,

2199
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 2: we can all have we don't know that.

2200
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: No, No, I want I want old six shooters, man, Torri.

2201
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: The only guns we sell are six shooters and the

2202
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,560
Speaker 1: only time you can shoot them has to be a

2203
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 1: pre arranged Like, hey, Greg, I didn't like the jokes

2204
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 1: you wrote today, Like you know what, fuck you, Rod,

2205
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:16,919
Speaker 1: I don't like your jokes. Will meet me at the Starbucks.

2206
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 5: At high noon and then he'll take twelve paces.

2207
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Rod, please aim for just my guts.

2208
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 2: I'll lose it's fine, but just don't just hit me

2209
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 2: in like the guts on the side this nick me.

2210
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like I resolved a lot more things.

2211
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we look, we shoot each other

2212
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 2: in the butt.

2213
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: It's fine, It's yeah, I'm gonna cut the joke. Oh really,

2214
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it. I don't want to be.

2215
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: The first thing I think about as an Arizona with

2216
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 2: that is six year thing is like, so much sand

2217
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 2: is gonna get in those guns? Oh you just gum

2218
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 2: them up?

2219
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't wait, miss five, I can't. I can't.

2220
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the first person at to reload. Yeah,

2221
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: let's get some let's get some mother fucking skills up here.

2222
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Gun safety then yeah, like imagine you get mad at somebody,

2223
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: You're like, man, I'm a fuck hold on, I'm go

2224
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: fuck you up, boy, don't go nowhere.

2225
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 2: We had a ton of guns, we were. I grew

2226
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 2: up in a very gun yeah, very responsible safe house,

2227
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: but like a house that was like we had them,

2228
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 2: kids did not ever see them. They're a key locked

2229
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 2: thing at the top of the cat closet we couldn't

2230
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,719
Speaker 2: get to. And then eventually my parents had a gun

2231
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 2: safe like so it was like you just couldn't ever

2232
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: get to them. But then you'd go out shooting, you know,

2233
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 2: like to the desert or whatever and like shoot at

2234
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 2: targets or do that stuff, so that you could be like,

2235
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 2: this is how to not accidentally kill yourself with a gun.

2236
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 2: Don't point it at anyone ever. Don't ever, you know,

2237
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 2: like always act like it's loaded. Don't ever put your

2238
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 2: finger near the trigger. Don't do this. Here's where the

2239
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 2: safety is. Here's where the safety, how it turns on

2240
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 2: and off, all that stuff like, so that we learned

2241
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 2: that stuff so that it was ever such where like

2242
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 2: you had to just pick one up you weren't so

2243
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 2: scared that you accidentally hurts another person or yourself.

2244
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: Well, the way I learned was if you get mad

2245
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: at somebody or something and you're eighteen, just get an

2246
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: ar fifteen.

2247
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 5: No, like, no bad advice waiting either.

2248
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right away, by the way, Like what's

2249
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:25,600
Speaker 1: the hold up? You know, like like you're still fuming? Text, Yeah,

2250
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 1: you should still be I should be able to say, nah,

2251
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: fuck you, hold on, be right back. I should be

2252
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: able to do that. Come back in the next text,

2253
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 1: be like what's the location?

2254
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 5: Apple, Apple, pay, Apple, pay for my gun?

2255
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, thank you, Greg, this is fun man

2256
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 1: a long time. Make it Make sure y'all check them

2257
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 1: out on Twitter? Is yub Nub yub nub is the podcast?

2258
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Just like the Ewoks say on Twitter, it's Gary Jackson.

2259
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 2: What is the what is the?

2260
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 1: Why is it Gary Jackson?

2261
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 2: I got called Gary at this one conference, uh incorrectly

2262
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 2: so many times that I just started suching its like

2263
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 2: and then I was like, well, I need a black

2264
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 2: last name identity, so Gary Jackson is my black identity.

2265
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they get verified on Twitter.

2266
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably because I definitely went searching for Greg,

2267
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: got whinskey to tag to the thing, and I was like, this,

2268
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Greg has two followers that ain't his name.

2269
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 2: Who they are me? I just made that account, so

2270
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 2: I had.

2271
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: Can y'all verify this one?

2272
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Gary Jackson is my fake name and I've had that

2273
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 2: account since two thousand and eight, so I'm not changing

2274
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 2: it now.

2275
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too late. You didn't mix, bro, you gotta go. Yeah,

2276
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 1: Gary Jackson forever man. All Right, dude, thank you for

2277
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: coming on. We'll be back tomorrow with more podcasts. Until then,

2278
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you to yah