1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: On this episode of The News World. Obviously, it's overwhelming 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: our interests. This is not a zero sum game. It's 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: overwhelming our interest that China prosper. Here's the deal everybody 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: talks about. Biden says that China, if we do, we 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: have to do. China's not a problem. Look, China is 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: in real trouble. Man. I spent a lot of time 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: with Shijing King. I spent more time with them than 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: any world leader. Before I left, my son's business dealings 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: were not anything where everybody that he's talking about, not 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: even remotely. Number one, China is going to eat our lunch. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Come on, man, they're not bad folks. Folks, but guess 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: what they're not there a competition for us. We need 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: to get tough with China. If China has its way, 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: it's going to keep it's going to keep moving and 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: robbing US firms of our technology intellectual property. There was 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: a debate here in the United States and quite frankly 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: throughout most of the West, is whether a rising China 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: was in the interest of the United States and the world. 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: As a young member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I wrote, 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: and I said, and I believe then what I believe 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: now that a rising China is a positive, positive development 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: not only for China but for America and the world 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: written large. Why this is new due to the virus. 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm recording from home, so you may notice a difference 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: in audio quality on this episode of News World. When 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: then Vice President Joe Biden took a twenty thirteen official 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: trip to China, he brought along his son, Hunter Biden. 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, Hunter Biden's small investment firm received funding from 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: the Chinese for a one point five billion dollars private 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: equity fund. This is the remarkable and largely hidden story 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: of the secret financial relationship between the Biden family and 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: the Chinese government and the sinister of business deals that 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: enriched them America's expense. I'm pleased to welcome my guest, 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Peter Schweitzer, executive producer of the new documentary Writing the Dragon, 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: The Biden's Chinese Secrets. Peter is the president of the 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Government Accountability Institute and a best selling author of three books. 37 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk today with a really good friend of mine, 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Peter Schweitzer, the executive producer of the new documentary Writing 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: the Dragon, The Biden's Chinese Secrets, about the Biden family's 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: financial gains from the Chinese government. But I also have 41 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: to say that Peter has taken on both parties. He's 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: written a series of fascinating books, including Profiles and Corruption, 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: Secret Empires, and Clinton Cash. He's really someone with a 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: really good pedigree of doing great investigative work. Peter is 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: delighted once again to be with you. Wonderful to be 46 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: with you, Knute, thanks so much for having me so. 47 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: First of all, what got you into looking at Biden 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: and the Chinese? Great question. We kind of stumbled on it. 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: We do a lot of research that involves following the 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: money in Washington. I'm not one who takes the attitude 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: that money in politics is bad. I believe it's a 52 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: First Amendment right. But when it becomes to self enrichment 53 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: by political figures, or when it comes by foreign entities 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: like the Chinese or the Russians or whoever, I view 55 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that as a different matter. And we ran across this 56 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: sort of obscure website in China that described a meeting 57 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden, the son of the Vice President, had 58 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: with all these top Chinese financial officials. This would be 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: the equivalent of the Vice President's son meeting with the 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: head of all the big financial firms on Wall Street, 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: throw in the Federal Reserve, and throw in the Treasury Department. 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Here was the son of the president. We found that 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: very very curious, so we started poking around and then 64 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: discovered this web of relationships, this effort by Hunter Biden 65 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: to secure financial deals, which he was successful in doing 66 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: with the Chinese government. And this effort took place just 67 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: as Joe Biden was a point of the point person 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: on US policy towards China by Barack Obama. So we 69 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: found that very very curious, and then we spent about 70 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: nine months poking around to find what we eventually uncovered. 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: How much were you hindered by the Chinese? You know, 72 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: it's interesting. On the one hand, there's clarity as it 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: comes to disclosure of actual entities that have been set up. 74 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: So you can actually look at registries of Chinese companies 75 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: if you know which company you're trying to find, and 76 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: it will list two is on the board of directors 77 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: who has stakes, So that's very very helpful. On the 78 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: other hand, of course, there's not a free press in China, 79 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: so there's nobody actually reporting on these activities and exposing them, 80 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: So you have to know what you're looking for in advance. 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: We knew the name of a company that Hunter Biden 82 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: was involved with, Bohi Harvest HR Partners, so we could 83 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: go to the Chinese government website and we could look 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: who were the owners of that firm and who was 85 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: on the board of directors. So, as you can imagine, 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: in the kind of governance that you get in China, 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: not a lot of clarity, but there was enough so 88 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: that we had threads to pull on and really realized 89 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: how deep this went. What kind of tragedy do you 90 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: look for and how do you pull the great question. 91 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: Knew a couple of things. You look for first, you 92 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: look for, as I said, timing and what was interesting 93 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: about Hunter Biden. We started researching and looking at Hunter 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: Biden's background and what we found, essentially was it every 95 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: job that he had had in his adult life was 96 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: linked to his father's political career. He was either a 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: lobbyist for Delaware entity that waddened something from his father, 98 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: who of course was a senator from Delaware, or it 99 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: involved an online gambling company that was in trouble with 100 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, and of course Joe Biden was 101 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: on the Judiciary Committee of the Senate. We looked at 102 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: what Hunter Biden had done in the past, and then 103 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: suddenly he pops up in China, and this was an anomaly. 104 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: This is one of the other things we look for 105 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: newt is sort of fish out of water. We quickly 106 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: realized Hunter Biden really did not have any background in 107 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: Chinese deals, and we figured out that this involves a 108 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: private equity deal. That he had no background in private equity. 109 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: That for us is a very very strong red flag 110 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: in and of and by itself, it doesn't mean a lot, 111 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: but it does indicate that something is probably in this. 112 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Because what you're looking for in the case of Hunter 113 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: Biden with the Chinese is they come together and they 114 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: form a private equity fund called BHR Partners that is 115 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: financed by the Chinese governments. They're taking money from the 116 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: Chinese government's pension system and they're giving it to this firm. 117 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: And you're wondering, why is Hunter Biden's there, Why he 118 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: is he on the board of directors. What does he 119 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: actually bring to the table here. He doesn't bring any expertise, 120 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't bring any background, that doesn't bring any access 121 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: to financial markets in the United States. So you're looking 122 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: for anomalies, and then you're trying to look for what 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: are the actual deals that the Chinese government is funding, 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: what are the actual deals that they are doing, And 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: when you realize that they are doing deals to buy 126 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: firms that have national security or military implications for the West, 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: it becomes pretty clear in my mind why he's there. 128 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: He's there an assent to provide some cover or camouflage 129 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: or to run interference for deals that are potentially very 130 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: politically loaded or should be politically loaded. So a lot 131 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: of this is sort of intuition, looking what the fact 132 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: pad are looking for the timing of things, but also 133 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what are the anomalies, why is 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: this a unique deal? And that probably took four or 135 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: five months, And once you're there, then you can really 136 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: start digging into the specifics of the deal, what you 137 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: know about it, how it was structured, the potential funds 138 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: that he makes, that sort of thing. Now, when you say, 139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: when you're there, did you actually go to China to 140 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: do this? We did not. We had help, which I 141 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: can't name, from a financial firm that had access to 142 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: Chinese government registrations. Corporations. So all of this work was 143 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: done online. And what we find new oftentimes is that 144 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: when I started writing books in the nineteen nineties, the 145 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: challenge was always finding information, going to libraries, going through books, 146 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: going through microfiche, or because of us who remember that, 147 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: the problem today really is too much information. There's so 148 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: much information out there. It's sifting through it and you're 149 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: kind of panning for gold. You're trying to get rid 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: of the stones and the rocks, and you're trying to 151 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: focus on the nuggets. So there's an amazing amount of 152 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: information that you can garner online, particularly from official government sources, 153 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: from the accounts of certain companies. But it's a very, 154 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: very tedious and laborious process because again, you're going through 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: so much rock to find these nuggets of gold. And 156 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: most of that, I assume is actually in Chinese. Yes, 157 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot of it was in Chinese, some of it 158 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: was in English. We use translation services sometimes we have 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: people that are translators for us. But really, ultimately what 160 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: it was about was stitching together accounts. Some of those 161 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: came from these Chinese language blog sites where there were 162 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: individuals involved in these meetings with Hunter Biden. They were 163 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: parties to these deals posing for pictures with him describing 164 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: who he was. They would always describe him as Hunter Biden, 165 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: second son of the vice presidents. That's how he was 166 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: presented as far as the Chinese were concerned. And then 167 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: once you know that those meetings take place, you try 168 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: to figure out who are the other principles in that meeting. 169 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Oftentimes they list them, and then you go to the 170 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: government site and figure out who they are, and you 171 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: find out that they're obviously very politically connected, that they're 172 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: very powerful. And then you look at the accounts of 173 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the entity itself. A lot of times when entities feel 174 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: like what they're doing is not going to be sort 175 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: of fully exposed, they honestly brag a little bit about 176 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: what a great deal it is. So BHR, the company 177 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: where Hunter Biden was on the board of directors and self, 178 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: actually put in its own media accounts in China the 179 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: fact that this was a unique deal that nobody else 180 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: had in China, not Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, nobody. So 181 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: sometimes the companies themselves can be very very helpful in 182 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: figuring out exactly what's going on. Wasn't the creating a 183 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: cop in the US or being part of a company 184 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: in the US. Yes, Hunter Biden's been involved in a 185 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: lot of things. So what this private equity firm BHR 186 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: essentially did. They got one point five billion dollars from 187 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: the Chinese governments, and as private equity firms do, they 188 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: buy stakes in other companies. And what's interesting is when 189 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: you look at what Hunter Biden's firm was doing, they 190 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: were hiring firms that were either engaged in producing dual 191 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: use technologies those are technologies that have both civilian and 192 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: military application, or outlie sort of national security related company. So, 193 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: for example, one of the things that the company did, 194 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's firm was it bought half of an American 195 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: company called Hannegis in Michigan. The other half was bought 196 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: by AVIC, which is the Chinese aviation military contractor. So 197 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's firm and AVIC go in and they buy 198 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of Hennegis, which is a Michigan based 199 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: company that produces anti vibration technologies. These are technologies used 200 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: in cars, they can also be used in rockets, things 201 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: like that. So they acquire this company and it's a 202 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: dual use technology company, and of course the concern at 203 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: the time the deal was approved by the Obama administration. 204 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: The concern at the time and remains is that this 205 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: benefit of the Chinese military because anti vibration technology for 206 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: rocketry and other military systems has been a weakness for Beijing. 207 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: There was another case where Hunter Biden's firm BHR takes 208 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: a stake. They're actually an anchor investor in a company 209 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: called CGN China General Nuclear, which is a Chinese nuclear 210 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: power company. As the name implies, the concern here is 211 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: that CGN just doesn't have nuclear plants in China. About 212 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: a year after Hunter Biden's firm buys a stake in 213 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: the company, CGN is charged by our FBI for stealing 214 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: nuclear secrets in the United States, and one of their 215 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: engineers leads guilty and mister Hoe some of the other 216 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: executives are still facing charges. But what they were trying 217 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: to do, Newt was steel nuclear secrets related to these 218 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: small atomic reactors that are used on US nuclear submarines, 219 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: and that's a huge military advantage that we have over China. 220 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,479 Speaker 1: The concern, of course, is with this theft, that advantage 221 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: has diminished. So he's actually involved, not just in companies 222 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: to make money, but in companies which have as a 223 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: secondary goal undermining American military superiority. This is a key point. 224 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you highlighted that, because people get I think 225 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: a little bit cynical and they almost expect that their 226 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: self enrichment in politics. This is not the sort of 227 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: rank and file case where a governor gives a road 228 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: paving contract to his nephew. This is actually far more 229 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: serious than that, because, as you note, Hunter Biden made 230 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: money on these deals. We don't exactly know how much. 231 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: The estimates are thirty million dollars or more. But more 232 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: to the point, this is not victimless corruption. This is 233 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: corruption that actually damages the United States national security posture. 234 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: And when you look at the deals that Hunter Biden's 235 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: firm BHR did, whether it's CGN, whether it's Hanegus, whether 236 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: it's their involvement in buying a mining company in Africa. 237 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Of course there's a big minerals competition going on between 238 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: the United States and China. Many of these deals, if 239 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: not all of the deals that Hunter Biden's firm was 240 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: involved in, had direct benefit to the Chinese military or 241 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: to the Chinese strategic posture around the globe. So this 242 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: is far deeper than just rank and file corruption that 243 00:14:49,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: has become all too familiar to people. Term was whereas 244 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: Hunter's Chinese involvement compared to his Ukrainian involvement, great question, 245 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: they almost essentially overlap. Obama Biden ticket is reelected in 246 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: November of twenty twelve, and two things happen. Number One, 247 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is directed by Barack Obama, maybe the point 248 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: person on US policy towards China. The deal with Behrs 249 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,119 Speaker 1: done in December of twenty thirteen. But then something happens 250 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: two months later in February of twenty fourteen, and that 251 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: is when Vladimir Putin goes into Krimea and triggers the 252 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Ukraine crisis. What happens is literally a couple weeks after that, 253 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: Barack Obama points Joe Biden as head of US policy 254 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: towards Ukraine, and he ends up visiting Ukraine something like 255 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: seven times over the next several years. Literally three weeks 256 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: after he's the point person on Ukraine policy, Hunter Biden 257 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: secures his deal with Barisma, the corrupt Ukrainian company, which 258 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: pays him a million dollars a year to sit on 259 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: the board of the company, even though he has no 260 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: background in natural gas or energy or Ukraine. So what 261 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, Newt is over a period of 262 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: just a few months, when sort of the planets aligned 263 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: for the Bidens. If you want to be cynical about it, 264 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is the point person on China policy and 265 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: on policy towards Ukraine. That gives him enormous sway of 266 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: what our position is going to be towards those two countries. 267 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: And within a matter of months, the Biden family suddenly 268 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: has deals that they really have no qualifications for with 269 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: the government of China and with powerful oligarchs in Ukraine. 270 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: It's really an astonishing transaction, as it were, between the 271 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Biden family basically using the political position and power he's 272 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: been given for the benefit of enriching the family. So 273 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: are there any other countries that we know of the 274 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: hundred gun involved with? There are We know that he 275 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: had some consulting arrangements with oligarchs in Romania. We know 276 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: that there were links with the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Kazakhstan. 277 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: There's also a very very curious deal that more details 278 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: are coming out on involving a Russian oligarch named Elena Boderina. 279 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Now Elena Boderina was the wife of the longtime mayor 280 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: of Moscow, who is highly corrupt. She is generally regarded 281 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: as pro putin, and she is also regarded by Western 282 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: analysts as being deeply tied to Russian organized crime. We 283 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: know from court documents in avolving Hunter Biden's business partner 284 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: Devin Archer that according to Devin Archer, Elena bat Arena 285 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: invested some two hundred million dollars into a real estate 286 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: entity that Hunter Biden was the co founder of, and 287 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: that Devin Archer was also a co founder of wait 288 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: a second two hundred million dollars. Yes, two hundred million dollars. 289 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: So this is a guy who knew nothing about natural gas. 290 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: You know nothing about the projects in China? Do we 291 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: know if we knew anything at all about realesten No, 292 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: no background in commercial real estate whatsoever. It's important to 293 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: point out here, by the way, that the name Rosemont 294 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: real Estate. Hunter has an investment firm called Rosemont Seneca Partners. 295 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: Rosemont is the name of John Kerry Teresa Hines Estate 296 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, and this is important because the funding for 297 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: these companies came in part from the Hines family, through 298 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Christopher Hines, who is the stepson of John Kerry, who 299 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: of course was a Secretary of State all the time 300 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: all of this is going, so you can see what 301 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: kind of an insider deal this was. But you're exactly right. 302 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: None of these areas are backgrounds that Hunter Biden had 303 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: expertise in whatsoever. What he did have was a very 304 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: powerful father who was steering a lot of US foreign 305 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: policy that was generally not regarded as a strong point 306 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: for Barack Obama, a point that Barack Obama himself admitted 307 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: by putting Joe Biden in charge of so much policy. 308 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: An individual like Elena bat Arena, if you go to 309 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks and look at the State Department cables of 310 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: how they describe her, or you look at just some 311 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: of the press accounts, she is on the sanctions list 312 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: that the Trump administration has put out on oligarchs that 313 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: are not allowed to do business or to come to 314 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: the United States. She has a long history of association 315 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: with Russian organized crime figures, and yet you have corporate 316 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: documents from a court trial laying out that there was 317 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: an investment made by her into one of Hunter Biden's businesses. 318 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: Which you actually find is that Elena bat Arena's top 319 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: assistant actually lifted himself as an advisor to Hunter Biden's 320 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: real estate firm while he was also working for Elene 321 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: about Arena. So clearly there was a relationship there. And yet, 322 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: as it comes with so many of these other things 323 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: newt there seems to be little press curiosity about these 324 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: kinds of ties. In addition to Hunter, Biden's younger brother James, 325 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: also that involving real estate, didn't he Yeah, So Frank 326 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Biden had a series of deals involving real estate and 327 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: non fossil fuel energy projects in both Jamaica and Costa Rica. 328 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: Add him to the list of Biden's who really had 329 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: no background into the areas that he went into. But 330 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: what Frank Biden was successful in doing was securing taxpayer 331 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: backed loans for projects in those states. The other brother 332 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: that he has, James Biden, has a series of deals 333 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: as well. The most startling occurred in November of twenty ten, when, 334 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: of course Joe Biden is Vice President of the United States, 335 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: he has a big say in the Iraqi reconstruction. We 336 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: find that James Biden joins a company, a construction company, 337 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: even though he has no background in construction, and within 338 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: six months they have landed a multi billion dollar contract 339 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: to build homes in Iraq as part of the US 340 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: lead construction project there. Do we know if that contract 341 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: is still valid, No, it's not still valid. In fact, 342 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that happened was they started to 343 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: execute the contract and it was realized by the people 344 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: on the ground that this firm actually had no ability 345 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: to execute it. So the contract was downsized. But that 346 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: construction company, again Joe Biden's brother is the executive vice 347 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: president of that company. He has no background in construction. 348 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: They landed a series of other contracts the state departments 349 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and from other federal government agencies as it involved renovation 350 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: and other projects. So it's again another glaring example of 351 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: clearly how the financial portunes of the Biden family revolve 352 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: around the planet. Joe and the Moons are the family members. 353 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: We really don't have the skill or the background in 354 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: these areas, but secure these deals anyway because of who 355 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is. If you happened to put together like 356 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: a large chart that just shows all this stuff, actually 357 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: we have not You have what I call the Biden five. 358 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: These are the five members of the family who have 359 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: cashed in because of Joe Biden's career. We've talked about Hunter, 360 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: We've talked about his brother Frank with his taxpayer backed 361 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: loans in Jamaica and in Costa Rica. We've talked about 362 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: his brother James and the Iraqi contract, and there's other 363 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: things to go along with that. Then you have his 364 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: sister Valerie, who has run his campaigns over the years 365 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: and made millions of dollars doing so. And then the 366 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: final one involves his daughter Ashley and her husband. Her 367 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: husband put together a company called Startup Health and they 368 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: literally launched the company in the Oval Office. The sun 369 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: in law gave an interview where he describes how he 370 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: was talking to Joe Biden, the Vice Presidents, about this 371 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: company he wanted to start, which was basically to provide 372 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: access for healthcare startups to federal government agencies, and Joe 373 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Biden said, well, come on in, I'm going to have 374 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: you talked to Barrock about it. They come in, they 375 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: talk to him in the Oval office. It's then set 376 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: up so this new company that's barely exists, that barely 377 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: has a website, becomes a featured participants in a healthcare 378 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: data conference that the federal government holds that brings all 379 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: the big healthcare players around the country into play. So 380 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: those are the Biden five and you're right at chart 381 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: I think would really help described to people and visualize 382 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: to people the extensive nature of this. I've never seen 383 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: a family with that many family members engaged in corrupt 384 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: or chrony behavior. The most I've ever seen before that 385 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: was three. This is five, and this is far more extensive. 386 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: I think if you had a Biden five chart that 387 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: people could print off the web or something, they would 388 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of takers. As I'm sitting there listening 389 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: to you talk and trying to envision it, there's really 390 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff here. I think part of what 391 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: slows down the news media is that all of this 392 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: requires real work to validate it, and they're not big 393 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: on doing real work. Now. I think you're absolutely right. 394 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: I think part of it is the media seems to 395 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: have joined the resistance, as they call themselves. But I 396 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: think the other component is exactly what you're saying. It's 397 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: the complexity. Some of them have so many stories that 398 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: they have to produce every day, but others are just lazy. 399 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: They don't want to do the work and the heavy 400 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: lift that goes with looking under rocks and confirming these facts. 401 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: When I was speaker in ninety six, who got into 402 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: a fairly substantial Clinton Gore scandal of taking money from 403 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist with my favorite moment being Gore going 404 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: to a Buddhist monastery of monks who had pledged vows 405 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: of poverty in collecting a couple hundred thousand dollars. I 406 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: just noticed this week a report that came out that 407 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: act blew the big Democratic fundraising machine. Forty eight point 408 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: four percent of their donations come from people who do 409 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: not list an employer or say that they have a job. 410 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Biden is forty nine point six percent that come from 411 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: people who say that they don't have a job or 412 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: that they don't have an employer. Now, by contrast, the 413 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Republican model when read is four percent and the Trump 414 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: campaign is two point six percent, So literally more than 415 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: twelve times the share of that Blue not able to 416 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: report an employer. And the question has been raised whether 417 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: in fact, this is a device for simply laundering money 418 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: from foreign owners. As an investigative reporter, what would your 419 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: reaction be just to seeing those kind of numbers, Well, 420 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: they're shocking, and if I read it correctly nude, I 421 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: think that data came from twenty nineteen, so that's when 422 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: the unemployment rate was incredibly low. It is very very 423 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: concerning demands. I think a further deeper look, because when 424 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: you make a contribution, you are actually required to list 425 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: your employer, and they're not supposed to lie about it. 426 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think people are going to lie about 427 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: putting the fact that they're unemployed. If you're retired, you 428 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: put retired. But I think even more to the point, 429 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: this has been a longstanding, troubling issue that has not 430 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: really been addressed in the substantial way, and that is 431 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: the vulnerability of online fundraising to the manipulation of foreign entities. 432 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and eight, when Barack Obama was 433 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: running for office, the Washington Post actually ran a piece 434 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: where they described how individuals that were enthusiastic fans of 435 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: Barack Obama's made I think in one case it was 436 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: thirteen thousand dollars in contributions even though the cap I 437 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: think at the time was twenty six hundred for the primary, 438 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: and this individual made those donations just by using their 439 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: same credit card, but by just using different fictitious names 440 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: for the donation. It was a way to subvert the 441 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 1: cap of how much money you could give. So I've 442 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: been demonstrated to happen before. When you put a sophisticated 443 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: foreign operator behind it, whether they're Chinese, whether they're Iranian, 444 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: from wherever, you have a serious vulnerability there. And the 445 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: problem is that some campaigns just want to look the 446 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: other way. I mean, it's in their financial interest to 447 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: look the other way and pretend that it's not a 448 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: problem and that it's not occurring. So there's nobody really 449 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: watching the handhouse in this case. Well, it strikes me 450 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: that both on the financial donation side and on the 451 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: family investment side, everything has conspired to encourage Biden to 452 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: look the other way, that he has no invest interest 453 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: in either getting to the truth about his family or 454 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: getting the truth about donations that may be coming from 455 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: foreign countries. I think you're exactly right, and we know 456 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: for a fact that Team Biden has lied about the 457 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: ties involving China and Joe Biden's knowledge of them. Joe Biden, 458 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: initially when these reports came out, said that I never 459 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: discuss any of the business ties that my son has, 460 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: which sort of strains credulity because in part they have 461 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: talked for decades about how close they are. But even 462 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: more to the point, they flew together on Air Force 463 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: two to China, which is from Washington, DC, an eighteen 464 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: hour trip whatever it is, and the suggestion that they 465 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: never discussed it is just remarkable. But then after he 466 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: insisted on making that point repeatedly, it came out that 467 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden admitted that he had talked to his father 468 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: about at least the Ukraine deal, and that he had 469 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: introduced his father to a Chinese business partner on the 470 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: official trip in December of twenty thirteen. So I agree 471 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: with you, there's not an incentive for him to discuss 472 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: these things because it's been good for his family. But 473 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: they've also tried to an effect to cover it up 474 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: and minimize it. And I think the point that needs 475 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: to be made here, I mean, you make it in 476 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: your book Trump Versus China, and we need to remind 477 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: ourselves we've been talking in this conversation about China. What 478 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: we're really talking about is the Chinese Communist Party and 479 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: the fact that they use these Leninist techniques to try 480 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: to curry favor and subvert what they view as their 481 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: enemies leadership. And that's what I think this is. This 482 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: really is an effort for them to get Joe Biden 483 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: to be softer on China, and I think by any definition, 484 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: has worked, because when you look at his rhetoric, he's 485 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: on an island by himself in describing that China is 486 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: not a threat, They're not a challenge, They're nothing to 487 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: worry about. Even Barack Obama and Ben Rhodes, his national 488 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: security advisors, have said that China represents a challenge and 489 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: a threat to the United States. Joe Biden is unique 490 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: and on an island by himself in saying otherwise. And 491 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: I have to believe that is tied directly to the 492 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: fact that that same China has his family wealthy. Well. 493 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: I think that's big part of it. Have you tried 494 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: to quantify how much Chinese money is involved and how 495 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: much the Ukrainian money is involved in terms of hundred 496 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: we don't know what Hunter made. One of the things 497 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: that I have called for is a requirement that elected 498 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: officials right now, if Joe Biden or Donald Trump or 499 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: whoever has ten thousand dollars in general electric stock. They're 500 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: required to disclose that. But if their adult child does 501 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: a one point five billion dollar private equity deal with 502 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: a foreign rival government, there's no disclosure requirements. And one 503 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: of the things that had a conversation with Senators Crews 504 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: and Lee a couple of years ago that they posited 505 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: was what about simply requiring that politicians disclose if any 506 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: family members have deals with foreign governments. Again, people can 507 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: lie on those forums, but at least require some clarity. 508 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: What we know in Hunters case Newt is that he 509 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: got a million dollars a year from Ukraine over about 510 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: three and a half years. In the case of China, 511 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: we don't know. There's an estimate by a professor at 512 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: the University of Chicago Business School. He told fatcheck dot 513 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: org that he believes that Hunter's steak and the Chinese 514 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: firm was probably thirty million dollars that could have gone up, 515 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: but there's no real way of knowing. The bottom line 516 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: is that Hunter Biden's not doing them for free. He's 517 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: doing them to be compensated, and the Chinese want him 518 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: to be well compensated because they want the Bidens hooked 519 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: and on the line. And that's what I think. They 520 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: have two things. One, I do think you could write 521 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: a requirement which would make it a felony to not 522 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: fill it out accurately, So in that sense, you could 523 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: have an enforceable The other is, I'm going back to 524 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's basic I'm thinking, I'm a father and a father. 525 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: So one of my daughters walks in. It happens to 526 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: have made a million dollars a year. Now, would I 527 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: have noticed this? And then she says, oh, by the way, 528 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: I got this new deal where I'm now managing a 529 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: billion five and Chinese money? Now what I have noticed that? Again, 530 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: Biden has been acting very strangely, and it's conceivable that 531 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: he either never knew or didn't remember. But it doesn't 532 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: strike me as very plausible somebody who doesn't notice if 533 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: their kid is picking up a million dollars a year 534 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: from Ukraine and maybe picking up as much as thirty 535 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: million years from the Chinese. I mean it had to 536 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: affected Hunter's lifestyle. The whole thing's not believable. I agree, 537 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And we also know, for example, in 538 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: the case of Barizma, when Hunter joined the board, it 539 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: was announced in April of twenty fourteen, so it was 540 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: there in the public realm, and Joe Biden didn't do 541 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: anything about it. When you talk about the relationship between 542 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: Hunter and Joe Biden, there's obviously the lifestyle evidence, but 543 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: there's also the fact that we now know, thanks to 544 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: our friends at Judicial Watch, that Hunter Biden was spending 545 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot of time in China. There were some five 546 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: trips that he took during the first term of the 547 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Obama administration. And it sort of occurs to me, given 548 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: that Hunter and Joe Biden have talked about the fact 549 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: that they are on the phone all the time with 550 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: each other because they're so close. He would occur to 551 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: me that where are your son. Oh I'm coming back 552 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: from China, or I'm in China, Oh what are you 553 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: doing in China? I mean, those are the natural, normal 554 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: conversations you would have with your daughter, I would have 555 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: with my kids, anybody would have with a family member. 556 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: And the lying that has followed their efforts to try 557 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: to quell this story indicate that they are desperately trying 558 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 1: to cover this up. Joe Biden wants you to believe 559 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: he's so close to his son. They have such an 560 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: intimate daily relationship that he didn't notice millions of those 561 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: and he didn't notice the trips to Ukraine and China. 562 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: And he's really mystified why anybody would doubt him, because, 563 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: after all, he's such a good guy. I think this 564 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: is going to grow and continue, and I think your 565 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: research is going to be a major part of the 566 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: story of twenty twenty. And I just want to thank 567 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: you well, thank you, dude. It's been great to have 568 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: been on with you. We're going to keep pressing on 569 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: and doing the research that we always do and uncovering 570 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: this stuff and letting the American people know what's going on. 571 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Peter Schweitzer. You can watch 572 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: the new documentary Writing the Dragon, The Biden's Chinese Secrets 573 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: for free on our showpage at newtsworld dot com. Newts 574 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: World is produced by English three sixty and iHeartMedia, our 575 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: executive producers Debbie Myers and our producers GARSI Slam. The 576 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: artwork for the show was created by Steve Pendley. Special 577 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: thanks to the team at Gingwish three sixty. 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