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Speaker 2: a great week. Well, we're gonna take a break from

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Speaker 2: our NBA Finals coverage today. There are several stories going

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Speaker 2: of the summer this weekend, as Desmond Bain was moved

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Speaker 2: John Krazinski of The Athletic reported that Kevin Durant's preferred

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some basketball. So obviously, the highlight

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Speaker 2: I The thing with draft compensation is it's always a

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Speaker 2: But protections matter. It makes a huge difference. The difference

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Speaker 2: on the fact that what Desmond Bain does is a

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Speaker 2: very rare skill set in the NBA. There were only

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Speaker 2: five players in the entire NBA last year to attempt

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best jump shooters in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: an upper tier high volume jump shooter. He shot sixty

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Speaker 2: This has been a Magic team that has really really

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Speaker 2: The second piece of it is two man game. There's

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Speaker 2: Franz's role men. Same exact concept. He's being guarded by

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Speaker 3: It is such a natural basketball fit.

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Speaker 3: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Was it expensive, Yeah, expensive as hell, But we don't

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Speaker 2: a very natural fit. And I admire the aggression. And

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Speaker 2: I would I have liked the deal more if it

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Speaker 3: The deal more.

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Speaker 2: But all I can think about now is Jalen Suggs

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Speaker 2: All I can think about now is band Bain's gonna

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Speaker 2: more achievable matchups. The only real like swing for me

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Speaker 2: But like this is the age where teams start, where

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. And so I think Memphis just

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Speaker 2: It's time to start looking at what you could get

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Speaker 3: This group is flawed.

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Speaker 3: I am a believer in Jaw.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of talk about where he ranks

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Speaker 2: I still think he brings this athletic trait that nobody

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Speaker 2: But he's got to start taking care of his body.

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Speaker 2: He's got to start improving on the margins. His peers

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is, Like I talked about

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Speaker 2: guy that could just be their supreme offensive talent, surrounded

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Speaker 2: I should say on Monday night that Kevin Durant's preferred

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Speaker 3: Of most of these teams.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame it. It obviously makes a massive difference

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Speaker 2: What I thought when I heard the report about San

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. Oklahoma City in twenty sixteen would be

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Speaker 2: the closest thing to what going to Houston would look like.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City in twenty sixteen surrounded Kevin Durant with overwhelming

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Speaker 2: size and physicality, and they wore teams down with their defense.

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Speaker 2: But life was really hard for KD. On the offensive

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Speaker 3: Now, the flip side of that is they were one

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Speaker 2: chance to win because they could surround him with all

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Speaker 2: that physicality and defense. But once again in Houston, it

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Speaker 2: like twenty seven to twenty eight field goal attempt nights

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Speaker 2: wants to play free flowing basketball, and so I think

436
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: that's why he looks at these teams like Houston and goes, eh,

437
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: maybe not my jam And I think that that's fascinating.

438
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: Even just looking at like why he might have been

439
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: so interested in Miami, I kept thinking, like, man, like

440
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: Miami doesn't seem close. I like, I don't understand what

441
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: he'd be looking for there. But then you look at

442
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: it and it's like Eric spoelsher one of the best,

443
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, offensive organization coaches in the NBA, bam Adebayo

444
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: one of the best five out like passing, screening, Folkrum's

445
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: in the NBA, Tyler Harrow a really good screenshooter that

446
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: kind of unlocks a lot of those five out concept

447
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: Duncan Robinson that unlocks a lot of those five five

448
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: out concepts. I think Kevin Durant looked at Miami is

449
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: like a place to play some really fun basketball, and

450
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: I can understand it, Like I'm starting to like kind

451
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: of feel what he's looking for in this journey. I

452
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: think he wants to go play a fun brand of

453
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: basketball for the rest of his career. There are a

454
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: lot of ways KDE can help the Spurs. Just because

455
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: this wasn't my favorite KD fit doesn't mean it won't

456
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: still be a huge upgrade for this team and that

457
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: it won't still be a good fit. He'll be a

458
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: excellent low man behind Victor Wemennyama, meaning when Victor Wemenyama

459
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Speaker 2: goes up to the level of ball screens, KD can

460
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Speaker 2: fill in from behind as another rim protection private presence.

461
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: I talked with Colin on Monday night about how Victor

462
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: wenman Yama's skill development should take a massive upgrade with

463
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Speaker 2: Kevin Durank. Kevin Urant to me, is like like the

464
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick of the current NBA in terms of shooting workout,

465
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: a legend, like the guy that will put Wemby into

466
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: situations in the gym by themselves where he's gonna make

467
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: substantial improvements. I think if Dearon Fox's dribble penetration like

468
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: KD at this phase in his career post Achilles, if

469
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: there's one weakness he doesn't pressure the rim a ton

470
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: compared to the way he used to. That's Deeron Fox's superpower.

471
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: I talk about the idea of the weak side scoring forward.

472
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: If Dearon Fox and Victor wemen Yama are running ball

473
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Speaker 2: screens and you want to defend them three on two,

474
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: that's gonna be Kevin freaking Durant on the backside, hitting

475
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: catch and shoot threes, driving closeouts like the mother of

476
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: all weak sides scoring forwards. He was the best ISO

477
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: player in the league last year, albeit at a lower volume.

478
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: He was the best jump shooter in the league last year.

479
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: He's still so so good at basketball, and I do

480
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Speaker 2: think that he would be able to help the Spurs.

481
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: It's not a guarantee he'd go there, Obviously, a Phoenix

482
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Speaker 2: has a certain obligation to try to drive the market

483
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Speaker 2: for high asset return, especially considering their situation.

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Speaker 3: Katie. I don't think has accomplished.

485
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: So much in Phoenix to where they owe him a

486
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Speaker 2: certain outcome. But the San Antonio Spurs would be a

487
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Speaker 2: fun basketball destination for Katie. I don't think they'd immediately

488
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Speaker 2: become a top tier contender.

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Speaker 3: They have shortcomings in terms of role player support.

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Speaker 2: I think they'd be pretty thin and lacking physicality on

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Speaker 2: the front line. Jeremy Sohan would become so vitally important

492
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Speaker 2: for that team. Defensively, if you bring into Kevin Durant

493
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Speaker 2: as just a more trunky, physical forward that they would need,

494
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: there are flaws. I don't think they're gonna go win

495
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Speaker 2: the championship if KD goes to San Antonio, but it

496
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Speaker 2: would be fun basketball. And I think that KD just

497
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Speaker 2: wants to play fun basketball, and I think that that

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Speaker 2: makes sense at least within that context. Lastly, before we

499
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Speaker 2: get out of here today, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: Yiannis potentially staying in Milwauk. It has been widely reported

501
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: that there's no trademarket for Yannis because Yiannis hasn't requested

502
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: a trade. I was looking at their payroll this morning,

503
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: the Bucks trying to give it like an honest like,

504
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: is there a real pathway here to pivot and try

505
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: to contend around Gianis? Again, you have Damian Lillard on

506
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: the books for fifty four million next year. They can

507
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: try to apply for a disabled player exception, but from

508
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: what I can tell, it looks like it probably wouldn't

509
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: get approved. Kyle Kuzma makes twenty two million. He's been

510
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: pretty disappointing. I will say this, I think who's has

511
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: been a winning player before. I'm like fifteen percent open

512
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: to the idea that he could work his ass off

513
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: this summer and come into camp as a more useful player.

514
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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to write off Kyle Kuzma in the

515
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Speaker 2: context of the Bucks, but Kyle Kuzma is your next

516
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: biggest salary after Dame. Bobby Portis has a player option.

517
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Speaker 2: I would imagine he'll opt out and resign. He's pretty

518
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Speaker 2: strongly indicated in interviews that he wants to raise So

519
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: I like Bobby Portis, but I'm not sure I like

520
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Speaker 2: him in the twenty million dollar territory. Pat Connaton is

521
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: on the books for nine point four million. It's a

522
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: player option, but I would imagine he'll pick it up

523
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Speaker 2: because he's a veteran minimum guy in the open market.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Porter Junior is on a player option. I think

525
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Speaker 2: he'll opt out, but I think he has a good

526
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: chance to re sign with the Bucks on a minimum.

527
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: I like his fit with Giannis, so I think he's

528
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: worth keeping under those circumstances. Aj Green is locked up

529
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: next year on a non guaranteed two point three million

530
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: dollar deal. That's one of the best value deals in

531
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Speaker 2: the league. So that's good for a very good three

532
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: and D player Andre Jackson Junior similarly on a non

533
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: guaranteed rookie deal. And then you have your deep bench guys,

534
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: guys a Chris Livingston and Tyler Smith.

535
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: But that's it.

536
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: So as you zoom out, you have zero reliable secondary

537
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Speaker 2: ball handling off of Giannis. Your best secondary ball handler

538
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: is Kevin Porter Jr. That's not gonna do much damage

539
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference. You have no front court players

540
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: who can defend other than Yannis. He's the one guy,

541
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Speaker 2: and you'll likely have to overpay to keep guys like Portis.

542
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Say you want to resign Gary Trent Junior. I wouldn't

543
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: be surprised if he goes over the minimum after some

544
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: of his shooting percentages in the postseason, if his agent

545
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: can drum up some market for him as a shooter,

546
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: and they have very little in the way of draft

547
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: compensation to make changes. The point being, even if we

548
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: acknowledge that the Eastern Conference is wide open, the roster

549
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: is going to be operating at a substantial talent disadvantage

550
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: in almost every major Eastern Conference matchup. I admire the loyalty,

551
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: I really do. I'll always remember the Janis era and

552
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: Milwaukee fondly. Even after the chip, Even in those disappointing years,

553
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: it's been so fun watching Giannis develop and improve and

554
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: carry some of these limited rosters. His twenty twenty two

555
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: playoff series against the Boston Celtics is one of my

556
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: favorite playoff series. I've watched the star play. He backpacked

557
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: those guys to a game seven. But the bottom line

558
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: is this team isn't close to contending. Jannis deserves to

559
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: go play meaningful basketball, and his value as an asset

560
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: is still the best vehicle to help Milwaukee pivot and

561
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: bring in the asset return they need to start fresh.

562
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: It's still just the best and most sensical outcome for

563
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: both sides of this deal. Again, I get it. I

564
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: understand the sentimentality. I understand the optics of requesting a trade.

565
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: I was talking with Shane before we got on the show,

566
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Speaker 2: like there's been this trend where it kind of feels

567
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: like some of these international guys are really hesitant to

568
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: do some of the more aggressive behind the scene manipulating

569
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: of their contract in terms of demanding trades. We haven't

570
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: really seen an example of it, and we've seen guys

571
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: like Yiannis and even Jokic throughout the past few years,

572
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: although obviously it paid off in twenty twenty three. We've

573
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: seen Yokic, you know, stick around through some injured rosters,

574
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: through some limited rosters, without any sign of complaining or wavering.

575
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: And like, Giannis has made some comments in the press

576
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: about like maybe he would look elsewhere, but here he is,

577
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: and he still hasn't requested a trade.

578
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: And again, I admire it. I admire the loyalty.

579
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: But all I know is the basketball fan in me

580
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: really wants to see Yannis play in late May and June,

581
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: and the Bucks, to me, need assets, and they don't

582
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: have money at this point, and so I think Giannis

583
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: is the best vehicle to make that happen, and so

584
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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful.

585
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: As much as I understand this.

586
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: Sucks for Bucks fans, I get it, I get I

587
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: understand as a Bucks fan there's a part of you

588
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: that want that would love to just have Giannis forever

589
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: and just be even if you're mediocre in the East,

590
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: you'd have more fun watching that team. I get it,

591
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: I do, But I just think it's in the best

592
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: interest for both sides for them to part ways this summer.

593
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: I hope that that ends up happening. All right, guys,

594
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Speaker 2: This all I have for today is always sincerely appreciate

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Speaker 2: you guys for supporting me and supporting the show. We

596
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Speaker 2: will be back on Thursday night after the final buzzer

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Speaker 2: of Game six of the NBA Finals, barring a KD trade. Obviously,

598
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: if KD gets traded, will move quicker than that. But

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Speaker 2: I'll see you guys after the final buzzer of Game

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Speaker 2: six on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: What's up guys.

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Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting

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Speaker 2: OOPS tonight. It would actually be really helpful for us

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Speaker 2: if you guys would take a second.

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Speaker 3: And leave a rating and a review. As always, I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 2: Supporting us, but if you could take a minute to

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Speaker 2: do that, I'd really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The volume