1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: Be comfortable with being uncomfortable. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 3: Don't settle with the notion that you have to do 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 3: what everyone else is doing. Do something that makes you 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable but also makes you feel. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: And that's the key component is feeling. 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: This is the Taking a Walk Podcast hosted by Buzz Night. 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Buzz talks with musicians ranging from new and independent artists 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: to Hall of famers. On this episode, he's joined by 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: rock singer Tristan Tritt discussing his upcoming tour and his 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: latest project called Cause Its Mind. Tristan speaks his mind 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: on inauthenticity in the songwriting process from some artists. Join 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Buzz and Tristan next on Taking a Walk. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 4: Well, Tristan, thanks for being on a virtual edition of 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 4: the Taking a Walk Podcast. We like doing them in person, 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 4: but we love season the opportunity virtually whenever possible. And 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: I'm so glad to meet. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: You, Ernest Well, thank you for having me. 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 4: Tristan. The latest singles called Couse It's Mind. Talk about 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 4: the message of the song and in particular, what authenticity 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 4: means to you. 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that the artists that inspired me the 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: most when I was first falling in love with music 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: and falling in love with rock were all people who 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: had a very apparent sense of authenticity, and that was 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: something that was always drilled into me even as a kid, 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: of like sticking to your guns and being responsible for 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: your actions, but also willing to find your path and 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: stick to it and not just go with the wind 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: as everyone wants you to go and be a part of, 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: you know, the mass crowd. So it's a tongue in 32 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: cheeks song in a lot of ways, but there's definitely 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: a lot of truth kind of peppered on top of it, 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: of actual conversations that I've had in my first couple 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: of years in Nashville trying to figure out what it's 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: like to be an artist and having people who aren't 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: really artists themselves but are trying to tell you how 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: to write songs and become who they think you should be. 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: And this is just my way of kind of poking 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: back at them, and who. 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: Are some of the artists today that you admire for 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: their authenticity and then going back to when you were 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: growing up that you admire for their authenticity. 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely well, I think right now is a really special 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: time in music where there's just such a wide variety 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: of artists, and the Internet has really done a good 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: job of kind of giving us a much more, i guess, 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: wider bandwidth of understanding artists from different cultures and you know, 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: all from the northeast Pacific, northwest to South Africa. 50 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: It's all over the map. But some of my favorite artists. 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: There's a British guy who kind of does like really 52 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: beautiful singing and really cool raps within his name's Wren 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: ari In. And then there's an artist named Rokapara. There's 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: a band from Minnesota named Derry, and all these bands 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: have very unique styles from one another, but they give 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: me a lot of hope because they're about my age, 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: you know, probably in their mid twenties early twenties, and 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: just really full of piss and vinegar and have a 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: very unique sound that's not something that I've really heard before, 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: but you can definitely tell that they have a lot 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: of influences from artists that I grew up with, which 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: were like the Black Sabs, the Motorheads, the. 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Radio Heads, I mean all those bands. 64 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: When did you first realize that you were hooked on 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: music and you were going to be a musician. 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: I was always a part of I think music was 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: always a part of me in one shape, form or fashion, 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: but it wasn't until oddly enough, twenty twenty I decided 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: to finally do music as an artist and go, you 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: know fully into it. And the opportunity kind of came 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: from an opportunity not happening. I was supposed to be 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: in California and working with some other artists as like 73 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: under a management company and completely different route, but things 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: kind of didn't go the way they were supposed to, 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: and it worked out for the best because I was 76 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: fourth with an opportunity to actually try something that I'd 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: never done before, and it was the thing that I guess, 78 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: in the back of my mind I always wanted to do, 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: but I was so terrified, had horrible stage fright, and 80 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: was just not ready in my own head to be 81 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: in front of people and be judged in that way. 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: But once my back was kind of against the wall 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: and the opportunities fell to the wayside, after twenty nineteen, 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, well, this is the time to 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: really kind of hone in the skill. 86 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: So it really became. 87 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: A part of my life starting in twenty twenty. But 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: I guess since I was a kid. The industry itself 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: has always you know, struck a chord with me, no 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 3: pun intended. 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 4: And your father, Travis Tritt had to have some influence 92 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: on you. 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: I'm thinking, oh, absolutely, yeah, he had an influence just 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 5: with real doing a good job him and my mother 95 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: both of not pushing me in one way or another 96 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 5: to be in the industry, but always showing me kind 97 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 5: of just guiding me and letting me see with my 98 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 5: own two eyes what it can be about. 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: And he was also very blatant the older I got, 100 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: of letting me know like the goods and the bads 101 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: with it. Just like any industry that you work in, 102 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what field, there's always going to be 103 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: the plus and the negative. So he was very open 104 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: with me about having you know, mature discussions about what 105 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: goes on in the industry and like how you can look. 106 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: Out for it and just it was. 107 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: It was really looking back now, I was very fortunate 108 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: to have that position where he never really pushed me 109 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: into any field, but he definitely guided me enough to 110 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: kind of let me see. 111 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: It a little bit more clearer than most. 112 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 4: It's almost like a MBA class having a dad like 113 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: your father, right. 114 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely, And he'll be the first one to 115 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: tell you too. He goes, it's moving so fast now 116 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: the industy as a whole that he can't keep up. 117 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: He goes. 118 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: Back in you know, the nineties, it was such a different, 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: much more analog world. Physical sales were still very much 120 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: the the primary means of income for art for not 121 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: just artists but labels. Nowadays with streaming and all that, 122 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: we're as an artist right now, an up and coming artists, 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: it's a weekly thing of trying to figure out what 124 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: to do next because it's constantly shifting on you, you know. 125 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: So he he'll be the first one to say he 126 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: doesn't really even know how to do it now anymore. 127 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: And you clearly like the concept of not fitting into 128 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: a particular category, right, correct. 129 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, even as a young kid, I don't think I 130 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: really like I would hang out with everyone, you know, 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: for the most part, but I didn't. Clicks and clicks 132 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: in groups kind of weird me out. It feels a 133 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: little cultish. So I as soon as there's too many 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: people like me in a room, I feel like I 135 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: have to kind of be the contrarian just to just 136 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: to keep things fresh. 137 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: And you were influenced as a young man by Guitar Hero. 138 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: Talk about that, Oh yeah. 139 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Guitar Hero really was the I think that was 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: the catalyst for the whole music world for me because 141 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: it just it made rock and roll cool again, because 142 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: it was the fact that it was a bunch of 143 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: kids my age discovering it. I say that in quotes 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: because it was obviously it's been there long before us, 145 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: but we discovered it in on our Own Throat video game, 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: and it just made it cool again, and it threw 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: me down a rabbit hole of discovering so many fantastic 148 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: artists from the you know six season up. 149 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: At the time of us recording this episode, you're recording 150 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: new music and EP that's going to be called What 151 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: Are We Doing? Describe the creative process when you go 152 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: into the studio. 153 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely, for me, there really is two forms to go 154 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: with it. And this is completely anecdotal. Everyone's different, but 155 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: I typically I like to come in with at least 156 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: a foundation of what I want, and that could be 157 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: a melody, or it could be something as simple as 158 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: a song title or even like a half a lyric, 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: just something something to kind. 160 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: Of guide the rest of the process. 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: Because I think there can be a bit of friction 162 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: when you have too much room for imagination and there's 163 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: not really a parameter set and people can kind of 164 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: go off on their own routes and it's very difficult 165 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: sometimes to hone it back into the original thought process. 166 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 3: And the second part of that is I like to 167 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: be in a room with no more than about three 168 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: people and really let their minds work as well. 169 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: I'm not territorial when it comes to who writes what. 170 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: Lyric or who comes up with what, so much as 171 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: it melds together in a way that makes sense. 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: If someone is listening to this and they are a 173 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: spying to grow their musical career. When you think of 174 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 4: the creative process in the studio, what advice would you 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: give them? 176 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: Be comfortable with being uncomfortable. Don't settle with the notion 177 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: that you have to do what everyone else is doing. 178 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: Do something that makes you feel uncomfortable, but also makes 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: you feel And that's the key. It's the key component 180 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: is feeling that this is a very much a cerebral. 181 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: Endeavor where you're you're. 182 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: Really having to get in touch with a lot of emotions. 183 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: It's not a it's not a numbers game. This is 184 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: very much based off your own feelings, and if it's 185 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: something that touches you, even if it doesn't necessarily make 186 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: sense for what's popular at the moment or what's what 187 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: everyone's moving towards, if it makes you feel something, that's 188 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: that's the whole point. And it took me a lot 189 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: of trial and error to realize that making the songs 190 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: that other people wanted me to make versus making the 191 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: songs that I wanted to make is so much more 192 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 3: of a gratifying. 193 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: Feeling in the end, because obviously the people who. 194 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: Want you to do something, as soon as you produce 195 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: the track and you give it to them, they're stoked 196 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: about it. But if you can't go to sleep at 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: night knowing that you truly made the best song that 198 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: you possibly could do, then to me, it's not worth it. 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: What's the point of being in this in the first place. 200 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: So be comfortable with being uncomfortable, but definitely push the 201 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: boundaries within yourself. 202 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: And you're going to be heading out on a tour. 203 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: Talk about the tour, what that means to you, and 204 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: the joy of performing in front of people. 205 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, February twenty second, we start off in my home 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: state of Georgia. We're playing in Aisle five in Atlanta, 207 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: me in a band from New Jersey called America Part Two, 208 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: and I'm very very much looking forward to hanging out 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: with these guys. Love their music and they just seem 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: like just really genuine people. But there's a certain magic 211 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: that comes with playing music live as opposed to just 212 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: being in a recording studio. I think a recording studio 213 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: you have a lot more room for creativity and you know, trying. 214 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: Things over and over and over again. 215 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: But there's adrenaline that you just cannot replicate other than live. 216 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: And that's really that's really what made me want to 217 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: get into music in the first place. I love recording 218 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: one of them more than most, but I would take 219 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: being on stage over anything. 220 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 4: And the type of venues that you're going to be 221 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: playing in. What sort of places are these. 222 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: Anything from music bars to halls to like smaller theater 223 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: type venues like it's it's it's mainly this run is 224 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: going to be in the Southeast region, so it's a 225 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: lot of bars and halls right now. 226 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: What was the earliest concert experience you remember. 227 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: Besides my father's Because I was kind of a tour 228 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: bus baby with my sister for about two years, so 229 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: I got my fair share of those. One of the 230 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: first shows I ever saw was I think it was 231 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: kid Rock and ZZ top zz Top Open and it 232 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: was kid Rock and then yeah, it was at the 233 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: Lakewood Amphitheater or what it used to be called the 234 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: Lakewood Amphitheater in Atlanta. 235 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: And some of the shows that you've seen that really 236 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: made an impact on you. 237 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. 238 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: I saw the Black Crows about two years ago, saw 239 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: my Chemical Romance, which was fantastic, and then recently in November, 240 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: I saw Avenge Sevenfold and they were fantastic. 241 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: Some of my favorite bands. 242 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: So when you go to see these shows, do you 243 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: take away particular elements that enhance your performance. 244 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: Since starting to be an artist in twenty twenty, I've 245 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: really taken the time to study the frontmen and really 246 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: see the confidence and the almost playfulness that they have 247 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 3: when they're on stage. And Chris Robinson is an excellent 248 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: example of that. He is such a force to be 249 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: reckoned with when he's on stage with the Black Crows, 250 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: and and he has such a almost lacks a daisical 251 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: approach to being a front man. But it's it's powerful 252 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: in its own way, and I'm much I'm very similar 253 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: in that. I'm I'm almost what they would call a 254 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: spas on stage because I don't care. But it's the 255 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: freedom of that that makes the kind of it's it's 256 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: the way that the art comes through me. 257 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: If that makes sense. 258 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: It does make sense. Yeah, And the joy has to 259 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: come out of it, right, I mean that's critical. 260 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that classic saying, dance like no one's looking. 261 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: But when you think about a great performance and just 262 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: leaving it all out there, are there any adages when 263 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: you think of that that applied to your thinking about 264 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: a concert? 265 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with certain cons because I've seen so many, 266 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: such a wide variety within festivals or just individual concerts there, 267 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: I think the one thing that they have in common 268 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: is there's almost this surrender to the audience, and that 269 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: surrender with that comes this it's almost a symbiotic relationship 270 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: of the people in the crowd and the person on 271 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: stage or the band on stage, and they're melding together 272 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: in unison and singing the same song or melody or harmony, 273 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: and it's probably one of the most powerful things you 274 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: can witness as a human being, in my opinion, And. 275 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 4: How does it make you feel when you know you've 276 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: connected with an audience, whether it be at a concert 277 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: or you meet someone and your music has connected with them, 278 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: How does that make you feel? 279 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: Having my music connect with fans is something that has 280 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: very recently happened, just with the amount of songs I've 281 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: been putting out, so there's been a lot more opportunity 282 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: for them to listen. But in recent circumstances, having people 283 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: sing back my lyrics has been probably one of the 284 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: most just it's almost undescribable because I never in a 285 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: million years thought that this I would be doing this 286 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: first and foremost, but let alone have people who are 287 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: singing my lyrics back. 288 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: And since I was a kid, the one thing that 289 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: I always. 290 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: Wanted to do, or I always resonated with the artists 291 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: that I looked up to, was the fact that they 292 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: made me not feel alone, and they made me kind 293 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: of feel like it was okay to be the outsider 294 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: of the kind of weird, you know, kind of fringe 295 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: person that I've always been. And seeing people kids all 296 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: that stuff, like, I mean, like teenagers singing it back 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: to me, that was surreal. I mean absolutely surreal, and 298 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: you're like, okay, Like I, in my mind mission accomplished. 299 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I don't care if it's fifteen people or fifteen hundred people. 300 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: That was it was incredible. 301 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: So back to writing for a second. I mean, I 302 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: feel like, in terms of your writing, whether it be 303 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: because it's mine or no filter, you have a lot 304 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: that you're wanting to get off your chest. When you 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: were young, were you always writing your thoughts down in 306 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: terms of songs or poetry or anything like that. 307 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: I probably started doing that around seventh grade, and it 308 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: was almost like like I would write like jokey songs, 309 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: you know, kind of taboo jokey stuff that I would 310 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: listen to, like kind of based off of the current 311 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: artists that were in my playlist at the time, I 312 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: guess on my iPod. But since then, I've gone from 313 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: writing you know, little things of poetry every now and 314 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: then to just really putting pen to pad and getting 315 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: any kind of emotions or stress out. And I think 316 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: that that's it really does work, as crazy as it 317 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: sounds in kind of woo woo as it is, the 318 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: ability to put pen to pad and actually just write 319 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: out what's going through your head. Somehow or another, it 320 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: turns it into a physical thing and it doesn't seem 321 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: as overwhelming as before. So when I'm writing about something 322 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: that's really I guess beating me down, whether it's a 323 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: it's a breakup where it's an identity crisis, or it's 324 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: anything like that, existential, you know, angst, whatever you want 325 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: to know, label it as writing things down and just 326 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: kind of putting it in a simplistic format like a 327 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: song really helps digest it in the long run and 328 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: make and it helps you zoom out as a as 329 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 3: a spectator, and it makes me become a spectator of 330 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: the things that I'm doing with. 331 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 4: What do you think you would have done if you 332 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: weren't a musician. 333 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: That's a good question. Uh I'd probably. 334 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: Still be in the industry in some way, shape or form, 335 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: just because I love I love the business side of 336 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: it as well, administrative. I love kind of being organized 337 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: and getting things to come together, seeing what my management 338 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: puts up with. Now, I don't know if i'd still 339 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: want that, but uh yeah, I think the industry still 340 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: it's it's got me in a stranglehold, and I would 341 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: be working in a music some some way. 342 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 4: So if you could just get a crystal ball out 343 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: and dream up who you would be able to collaborate 344 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: with over the next year. Who would some of those 345 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 4: people be? For sure? 346 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: There's a there's an artist based out of Texas named 347 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: Austin Meade, and I think, especially with his more recent music, 348 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: our sound would collide pretty well. There's plenty of bands 349 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: like I think his name is Dexter and the Moon 350 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: Rocks and they're fantastic. 351 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: They just got signed on Nashville. Would love to work 352 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: with them. 353 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of these younger guys that I want 354 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: to work with down the road that I think would 355 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: just be really really cool to kind of have them 356 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 3: see my audience and me see theirs, and you know, 357 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: help each other out. 358 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: In any veterans that you'd like to work with that 359 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: if you were able to just dream that up. 360 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: Are we talking dead or alive? 361 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's say dead or alive exactly. 362 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: Well, I know he's not really in the best of health, 363 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: but I'm a massive Ozzy Osbourne fan. 364 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: I think doing any track with Ozzie would be a 365 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: dream come true. 366 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: And then next under that, just because he's such a 367 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: sweetheart and such a lover of music. 368 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: I would love to work with Dave Girl. 369 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: I love that. So then Crystal ball out where you're 370 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: headed in the next twelve to twenty four months. What 371 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 4: are you envisioning. 372 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: Really just being back in the studio as much as 373 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 3: possible even after the EP, and honing in the sound 374 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: for not only upcoming tours, but just really really getting 375 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: an understanding of where we want to go once the 376 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: LP drops, you know how many other months. 377 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: Or years or year. 378 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: But I just want to I want to make sure 379 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: I'm pushing myself as a writer as much as possible 380 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: and getting, like I said before, getting out of the 381 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: comfort zone. 382 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: And really digging deeper than I ever have before. That's 383 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: what I want to do. 384 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: I really want to just open up and be as 385 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: literally naked on the on the on the pin and 386 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: patterned or sonically naked where where it's not there's no front, 387 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: there's no imagery that I'm trying to put up or 388 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: or fake imagery. I just want it to be me 389 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: as human as possible, because I think that's that's when 390 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: I feel the most content with what I put out, 391 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: is when it's the most bare bones style of of 392 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: of what I'm going through at that moment. 393 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 4: And in closing in terms of learning, what that you 394 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: have not learned? Do you want to learn? 395 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: It's kind of a it's it's kind of an open 396 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: ended question for me because I think that being the 397 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: dumbest one in the room is always a benefit for me. 398 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: So I'm always learning, you know. 399 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: I find out how stupid I am every single day 400 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: because I'm surrounded by people who know so much, and 401 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: I'm fortunate enough to be surrounded by them, So I 402 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: I I can't put a pin on exactly what it 403 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: is I want to learn, but as long as I 404 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: can listen every single day, I think I'm going to 405 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: figure out something new. As you know, for the rest 406 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: of my life. I'm a forever student. How old you 407 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: twenty four? 408 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: You're much wiser than your age, my friend. 409 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 410 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: I appreciate you being on Taking a Walk. I wish 411 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 4: you well on the studio and that work with the EP, 412 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: and I wish you well on this tour, and I 413 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: wish you only great things in your career. 414 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and then I appreciate you once 415 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: again for having me. 416 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 417 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 418 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 419 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 420 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.