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Speaker 1: M what's up, San Diego?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Do you see.

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Speaker 3: Somebody way at the top of the third row of there? Hi, guys,

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Speaker 3: just a little a little camera light flashing back and forth.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 2: I always forget that's gonna happen until I walk out

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Speaker 2: I want to cry every time. I know.

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Speaker 3: It's very moving. Kai, how's it going everybody?

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Speaker 2: There's a sign someone held up that said Karen Doer

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Speaker 2: what is it called herky?

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Speaker 3: First of all, First of all, not taking notes from

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Speaker 3: the audience, first and foremost, don't boss me the fuck around.

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Speaker 3: And also, yeah, as you know, there's some ex cheerleaders

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Speaker 3: in the house right now that are like police. Oh no,

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Speaker 3: that many? Oh oh oh shit. We're surrounded by ex

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Speaker 2: You know they'll fight for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll throw down, I hope. So what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're on tour. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's very excited, it's very fun.

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Speaker 3: It's very exciting. I will tell a really quick airport story. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you were there as well, Yeah, so, which isn't that common.

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Speaker 3: They don't let us fly at the same time a lot.

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Speaker 3: But we were at this airport and I walked in

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Speaker 3: act the British actress Jesse Buckley.

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Speaker 2: For some reason reason sorry nothing, she.

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Speaker 3: Has red hair. She has red hair. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that necessarily means she's Irish. It doesn't matter. If you

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Speaker 2: She's so good.

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Speaker 3: She's so good. She's been in a million things, but

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Speaker 3: which is not my style at all. I'm really not

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Speaker 3: and I was like, I almost went up, like, oh

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Speaker 3: But instead I saw Georgia first, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: George was like I know, I know, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, she never does that. It's so true, Like she

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Speaker 3: And I was like, you were, but you were definitely

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Speaker 2: I would have pushed you.

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Speaker 3: Well, but here's what happened. So when we landed, I

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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that's best that I didn't say anything

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Speaker 3: It's so lucky season.

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Speaker 2: Ladies, and it's very I can't even see you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there will be a three car pile up on

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Speaker 3: this stage tonight. Get ready.

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Speaker 5: What are you wearing?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's cute.

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Speaker 3: I love those Oh my outfit. Oh this dress, it's

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Speaker 3: It's yet another dress with pockets. Although let me just

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Speaker 2: Tell them about the broach backstage.

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Speaker 3: On this brooch that's some a beautiful purple brooch that

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Speaker 3: someone gave us, maybe Salt Lake City. Maybe on this trip.

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Speaker 2: Like admiring it. It was shimmery, it.

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Speaker 3: It was bad. But now it's more of a like

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Speaker 3: We could make it work. Yeah. I thought you had

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Speaker 2: Something about chin hair and how being on tour or

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Speaker 2: I run straight to that magnifying mirror and just zen out.

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Speaker 3: Got rid of it. Yeah, because there are those like

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Speaker 3: Always the question you have to ask yourself, are you

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Speaker 2: Your Oh you're wearing yes, thank you. I got it

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Speaker 2: There's some vintage stains on it? Sure, sure I could

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Speaker 3: It's a big You did call this the dust cover earlier.

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Speaker 3: You're like, what do I do? It's a dust cover

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Speaker 2: It does look like I'm a couch, Like hasn't been

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Speaker 3: Hasn't been a butt on this couch twenty five years?

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Speaker 2: Should we sit at our tiny table?

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: This is my favorite bird of the podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that's Georgia Hartstar, that's Karen Kilgera, and

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Speaker 3: we're very so pleased to be with you tonight. Sandy,

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Speaker 2: We got a text at like five o'clock being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it works right, sure, sure, it's fine. Do you

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Speaker 2: want to tell them why they're here? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're here because you really liked listening to two

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Speaker 3: We know a Tuesday, this is time for Bible study.

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Speaker 3: You should not be here. But if you are here

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Speaker 3: to say this to you. Now, this is a true

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Speaker 3: crime comedy podcast. But George and I I don't think

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we don't know each other stories, right.

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Speaker 2: We also never tell people that, but it's true, which

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it's always a surprise. What Georgia is about

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Speaker 2: Surprise to her. Yeah, and I'm first, right, and you

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Don't you feel like a proper Victorian lady's side

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Speaker 2: Does this feel very like? Quite? I should have a cigarette?

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Speaker 2: And so that building is actually one of the country's

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Speaker 2: And it was founded in nineteen twenty three by the

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Speaker 2: That's not a temple, that's her. Oops, there she is.

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Speaker 2: This is a story about an eccentric Pentecostal evangelist. Evangelistlists

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Speaker 2: thank you who at the height of'm Jewish who.

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Speaker 4: At the.

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Speaker 2: You don't have those who, at the height of her

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Speaker 2: Sister Amy Semple McPherson.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I bet you bought that dress before.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I bet I have that amazing And I'm always

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Speaker 2: going like that, like I'm reading out of a Bible. Amen,

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Speaker 2: here ye is that how you?

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Speaker 3: Yep? A lot of hear ye, hear ye in the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Definitely cool.

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Speaker 2: So the main sources I use for the story are

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Speaker 2: That's a day. It's bag.

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Speaker 2: No, No, am I very I feel like I'm very

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Speaker 3: Well we do, so shut up. How's that a little better?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That works better. And here's the temple in Echo Park.

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Speaker 3: Here, look at the power you yourself are right now

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Speaker 3: A wonderful life you've led? Not happy to deal with

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's some sequence. Does God like sequence?

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Speaker 2: And so her servants are fully theatrical, with costumes and

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Speaker 5: That right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Amy performs faith healings, speaks in tongues, and describes

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Speaker 3: And they're like, hey, you're the one that's making us

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Speaker 3: So she gets appendicitis and she's like, oh, oh God

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But she sends letters to Harold inviting him to

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Speaker 5: She's like, I'm not breaking up with you, but you.

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Speaker 2: I can't do it. They sell their house and live

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Speaker 2: But Harold's super not into it. He's not nearly as

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Speaker 2: So she tours the amy tours the South with her

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Speaker 3: She's like, fuck you, you're cool, I'll get my mom.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm killing my mom.

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Speaker 2: She's not a sore loser, right and uh, they preached

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Speaker 5: Sermons through a mega phone, which.

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Speaker 3: How they do it that's a real pretty standard.

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Speaker 2: God, can't hear you just talking?

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm on a microphone right now. What am I

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Speaker 3: Can you hear us?

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Speaker 2: Lord, Kettle, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: It's us. Can you get me a new grouch? Is

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Speaker 2: We're podcaster. It's the highest form of believers, you know,

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Speaker 3: We're literally turning this audience against us so hard. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's like what else can we make fun of?

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Speaker 2: All the cheerleaders hate us already.

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Speaker 5: Any Pentecostals in the house.

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Speaker 2: You're like bye, So they go out. The audiences are

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Speaker 2: like building. They're super odd by her public faith healing performances,

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Speaker 2: she works so hard. This might sound familiar. She makes

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Speaker 2: This is like I have a nervous I'm really not

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Speaker 2: Maybe the first time. Thank you. We need to be

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Speaker 5: Promo code murder.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So she makes herself sick from exhaustion. A doctor

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Speaker 2: that's what they do back then, is just go over there,

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Speaker 5: Pick one.

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Speaker 2: So, but then her daughter comes down with the Spanish flu,

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Speaker 5: Really honestly, and.

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Speaker 2: While praying over her, she receives a yet another divine message.

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Speaker 2: God says, you get to go. However, he says it,

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Speaker 3: He says, here, you here, you here, you here.

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Speaker 3: You know why the butter.

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Speaker 2: Are we known for our butter?

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Speaker 3: Such good butter. Oh that's your town, right, Pedaluma specific butter.

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Speaker 2: The orange fields that we don't have anymore, they're all gone.

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Speaker 3: We cut them all down.

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Speaker 3: We cut them down, made them parking lots. You heard

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Speaker 2: So Amy Amy's skills are really profitable in southern California,

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Speaker 2: where she begins holding small revival meetings at local churches

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Speaker 3: Stop comparing yourself to Amy's simple graph.

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Speaker 2: Podcasting and gospels the same thing.

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Speaker 3: It is the same, very much.

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Speaker 2: So she's the original podcaster. That's og podcast, that's true

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Speaker 3: So that's no, that's Joe Rogan level.

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Speaker 2: I wrote vintage viral. It's she went vintage viral.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: At this point in the early twenties, Amy is now

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Speaker 2: her services. Remember the show, No, I'm not gonna yep,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. Yes, And she's in

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Speaker 2: this Yes, what's it called?

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Speaker 3: Parry Mason said it first? I said it first, Perry Mason.

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Speaker 2: Roll the tape back. We want to hear it.

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Speaker 3: And the girl from Warps and Black plays her. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And when you were talking about I would kill to

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Speaker 2: And I think this storyline is, you know, is made

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Speaker 3: And now we're going to watch it together every episode.

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Speaker 2: So media celebrities start paying attention to her. She's getting

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Speaker 2: because the whole point of her being in California is

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00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: to recuperate. But she is a vintage workaholic, and against

446
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: doctor's order, she continues her nightly services, which are so

447
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: popular that people have to wait hours just to get

448
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: inside to see her. That's how much they like her

449
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: and God, they ship her in God? Is that what

450
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: the kids say? Angelinas are so enraptured by her dramatic

451
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: and theatrical style of worship. But some of them build

452
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: a house for her to live in. They're just like,

453
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: here's a house.

454
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 5: We like you so much.

455
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Immediately, I don't know timeline there, they.

456
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: Like leave church and they're just like, go get some wood.

457
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: I have to express how I feel.

458
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: We must shelter her.

459
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: We must, So it's kind of amish of them to

460
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: do that.

461
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: Actually, but maybe I mean there's so much land then

462
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: back then in southern California.

463
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, they just walk outside and you know.

464
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: Throw one up right here, right and so, but there's

465
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: something even bigger that she wants than a house and

466
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: all these followers. Amy starts raising money to build her

467
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: very own venue. Congregants eagerly contribute, and in nineteen twenty three,

468
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: the fifty three hundred seat Angelus Temple opens, which in

469
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: today's seats.

470
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: Is doesn't matter. I'd get it wrong. Fifty right.

471
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: It looks like a white colisseum in the middle of

472
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It's right by Echo Park Lake, and in

473
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: its first seven years, more than forty million visitors walk

474
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: through its door to see this like biblical production. Every Sunday.

475
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: Amy expands into radio. Hey, like podcasting on those.

476
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: Theories coming true as you tell this.

477
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: Story, becoming one of the first women to have her

478
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: own broadcast license and found her own religious radio station,

479
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: and she starts being pictured with celebrities, and even Charlie

480
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: Chaplin comes to her service sometimes, Hey, I know.

481
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: Should I tell my story about Trump?

482
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: That's so good?

483
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: You may have heard this art if you listen to

484
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: this podcast. Which is the problem with having a podcast

485
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: for a person like me. You love to tell the

486
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 3: same four anecdotes over and over, Like we heard this one, Karen.

487
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: When I bought the house I live in now, my cousin,

488
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: my real estate agent, cousin, Pete Castro. Contact him. If

489
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: you're trying to buy real estate in Los Angeles. That's

490
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: a great person, very honest, really fun, good times. Anyhow,

491
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: Pete Castro for all your real estate aids. Anyhow, he

492
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: went and had to go get some paperwork, finalized paperwork, whatever.

493
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: And when he was there in the in the official

494
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: city files, they found a certificate that said this house

495
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: is owned by Charles Chaplin, and so they made a

496
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: copy of it, and then they gave it to me,

497
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: like framed in a frame as a housewarming yaft. And

498
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: I was like love what and they're like, yuh, it's

499
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: we found it on the city thing. And we all

500
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: freaked out, and I hung it in my kitchen. I

501
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: would bring people. I would make people come and stand

502
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: near it just be like, did you see I don't

503
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: know if we saw that he used to live here

504
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: and it's not that big of a house, and it's

505
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: actually was built in nineteen fifty, so it's kind of

506
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: modern comparatively, But I didn't care, and I never really

507
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: asked one question about it until mid COVID when my

508
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: next door neighbor Joey came over and I met him

509
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: for the first time, and he'd lived there for like

510
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: thirty years, and I was and we were just talking

511
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: about everything and getting to know each other, and then

512
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: I then I said, oh, by the way, did you

513
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: know Charlie Chaplin used to live And before the sentence

514
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: was over, he was like, no, that's Chuck, that's check

515
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 3: Miles neighbors. No relation, no fucking relation to Charlie Chaplin whatsoever.

516
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: That's impossible. But here's the thing about that, though he

517
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: lived there for thirty years, which is only nineteen ninety five, Yeah,

518
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: so maybe he doesn't fucking know maybe ten years before that,

519
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: Charlie fucking Chaplain.

520
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: It's like the oldest Charlie Chaplin of all times. Like, hey, no,

521
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: I just say that. I went in and very quietly

522
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: took that framed thing down and stuck it in a drawer,

523
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: and anytime anyone asked me, I pretend like I don't

524
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: know what they're talking about I never said that. What

525
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: do you mean.

526
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: I love it. I think you should keep it up

527
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: because it's just Yeah, it's a great story.

528
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: Also, my cousin's here tonight too. I forgot Savannah.

529
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: Hi, Savannah Hi.

530
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: She's the sweetest. She's a liar here in San Diego,

531
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: a real liar. So you guys better watch out. No

532
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: trip and falls in this theater tonight, No way, not

533
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: on my watch.

534
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 5: Radio it happened.

535
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: And then Charlie Chaplin happened yep, and then she just

536
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: and then.

537
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: I stopped your story cold. And now we're back.

538
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: In anyways, huge celebrity. She's working overtime, performing daily church services,

539
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: live radio broadcasts, fundraising, and nationwide revival tours.

540
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 5: You know, she wants to do it all.

541
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: But the more attention Amy receives, of course, the more

542
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: her haters want to bring her down.

543
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: As they do.

544
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: There are plenty of there, trolls back then, been to.

545
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: Trolls always in humanity, man, since the dawn of Man.

546
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm angry that you're successful. No, this is the.

547
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: Story of canaan Abel, is it. Guys. We're gonna fold

548
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: some scripture through this show tonight. Everyone's gonna leave happy.

549
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: I swear to God.

550
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: There are plenty of people who don't believe in her

551
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: particular brand of Christianity. They point out that she's a divorcee,

552
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: oh no, slut, and some of them think that the

553
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: theatrics and flourishes are over the top, like meanwhile, people

554
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: are speaking in tongues and have snakes. You know, it's

555
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: just but she had props. Okay, is that not normal

556
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: in church? You guys don't do prop.

557
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: Know really what it is is. But she's a woman,

558
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: oh right.

559
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: Critics accuse her of acting in her own best interest

560
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: while she's pretending to be a modern day disciple, which

561
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: God forbidh literally, yeah, that's actually the rule. At the

562
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: same time, this is not quite the profit driven model

563
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: of televangelists that would later be adopted. It's her ministry

564
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: actually does a fair amount of charity work and social

565
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: good They distribute food, they offer clothing banks, and they

566
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: help local immigrants, particularly the working class and Hispanic populations

567
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: of Echo Park. So she does.

568
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: Go what I like that you said, she does a

569
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: fair amount, And it's like, as a church, shouldn't you

570
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: do like an unfair amount, like an insane over the

571
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 3: top amount. Book with all that money, just an observation,

572
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: not a new one. Joel Allstein remember one and like

573
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: ten years ago, Texas flooded and Joel Allstein said his

574
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: megachurch doors were closed to the public. And then the

575
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: guy that had a mattress, Doore, opened his doors to

576
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: the public, and that solved everything in this country because

577
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: then people realized, no, you're right, you're right, you're right.

578
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: My mistake, that wasn't it.

579
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Not yet that did not happen. And then Amy disappears.

580
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So on May eighteenth, nineteen twenty six, Amy

581
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: goes for a swim at Venice Beach along with her

582
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: secretary Emma, and that morning, Emma stays on the sand

583
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: while Amy wades into the water. But after a while,

584
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Emma loses sight of her and starts freaking out, and

585
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: so she assumes she's drowned. Emma unless lifeguards and bystanders

586
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: to join the search immediately, but there's no sign of

587
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: Amy dead or alive.

588
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 5: Within what.

589
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: I'll go the whole thing. I'm just gonna listen the

590
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: whole thing.

591
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: First. I swear to God, no do it.

592
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: I interrupted you right before Amy disappears last time. I

593
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: don't want to do.

594
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 2: That was it? That was the button.

595
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: So the last Emma saw was that she was.

596
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: Out swimming out, yeah, and suddenly can't find her, doesn't

597
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: see her, she doesn't come back to shore.

598
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: Emma's freaking out.

599
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: She calls a bunch of people to try to help

600
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: find her, thinking she drowned.

601
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: Are you seeing this fogg or is it.

602
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: Just makes a lot of fucking fog. It's a fucking

603
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: the fog budget for this tour. Fog got on the

604
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: astronomical It truly is. We're actually not even getting paid all,

605
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: but all their money is going to perform straight to

606
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: straight to fog.

607
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: This hot ice machine or whatever the fuck it's called

608
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: at anyway over in foggy London town. What if that's

609
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: what it was. We're just changing locations now. So it

610
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: was a foggy day at Venice Beach.

611
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: Actually it probably was. Here's a picture of thousands of

612
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: church members gathered to pray for her on the beach

613
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: and to find her. They're praying, they're freaking out, there's

614
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: no sign of her. That's a lot of fucking people.

615
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: At the beach. How many of the people that were

616
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: like around twelve years old that their parents forced them

617
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: to go. Just kept staring at that roller coaster and

618
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: they're just like, please, mommy, please, God.

619
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: Gave me a message that he wants me on that

620
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: roller coaster.

621
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm feeling particularly called to the pier. Anyone else, thank you.

622
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: And so thousands of people go back to Angelus Temple

623
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: to pray for her safe return, and some even in

624
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: the morning process thinking she's probably fucking drowned. Her disappearance

625
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: is huge news. A massive search effort takes place. There's

626
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: deep sea divers and hundreds of the officers calmbing the shore.

627
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: Here's a picture of a newspaper headline, Amy Pherson, believe Brown.

628
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: She's got that hand up again.

629
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: She's It turns out she could never put it down.

630
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: It's not a cam permanent cast.

631
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: Arm asleep in the ocean. What what broke that hold?

632
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: On a second? You know, back then they could if

633
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: your last name was Mick Pherson, they could just substitute

634
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: the sea with an apostrophe.

635
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Didn't know that, Amy, my person?

636
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: Yeah I did, No, they did that.

637
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: It's strange. What else is going on in Los Angeles?

638
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Al Smith Brand's dry law retaliation dishonest? Okay that Al

639
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: Smith young Young suffers seven broken ribs. What okay, sorry,

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: sorry to read the newspaper in front of you, My mistake.

641
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: The dragon along is like, what in the fuck am

642
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: I watching?

643
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: Why they're reading papers? Some of them they're reading things

644
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: behind them. It's not podcasting, dude.

645
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. There is also uh speculation as to

646
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: what really happened that day, particularly when Amy's radio engineer,

647
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: a handsome but married man named Kenneth or Ormiston, also

648
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: turns out to be missing. Oh did you go swimming?

649
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: It didn't go swimming, and Keith, Kenneth and Amy had

650
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: actually been caught flirting is all that we have over

651
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: the church's inner intercom system. Like they didn't know they

652
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: had hot mics on.

653
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh I know that's the best.

654
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 5: Hey, what kind of flirting?

655
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: Hey? Baby? Like they were not flirting, they were doing it,

656
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: and you fucking know it. They just like are too

657
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: proper to say that.

658
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: Back then you're in the main chapel dusting, Hey, what's

659
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: up with you? And then you're like everyone runs in

660
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: the main chapel.

661
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: So good, best day of someone's life.

662
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: So that if that happened to you, you would want

663
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: to just walk into the sea, Right.

664
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: That's true. Fucking yeah, there's that's not cool. That's that's horrible.

665
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: So embarrassed.

666
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's married. So what looks really bad for

667
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: this person who her saying she's really really religious but.

668
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 5: They're hand up in the air all the time.

669
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: What if that's for flirting? What's up?

670
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: Right after that happened?

671
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: Kind of? His wife shows up at the temple and

672
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: makes a big scene about the whole thing.

673
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 5: Good for her, fucking throw down?

674
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: Oh because her husband's now disappeared.

675
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: No, because someone caught them quote flirting.

676
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: Oh this is in between the two Yeah, yea, yeah,

677
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: got you.

678
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: And this was obviously really embarrassing and distressing to Amy,

679
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: but it had been even more distressing to her mother, Minnie,

680
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: who been involved at the church for years. She's really

681
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: disappointed in her daughter, and then her daughter disappears. So

682
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: after five whole weeks, Amy's mother, Minnie, decides to proceed

683
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: with a memorial service at the temple for her daughter.

684
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: She believes she's dead, but according to some reports, Minnie

685
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: had actually pronounced Amy dead the day after her disappearance

686
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: and suggested that her daughter, Roberta, who's now fifteen, should

687
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: take over for her daughter.

688
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 5: The next day, she's like, no.

689
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: What, my granddaughter's stepping in.

690
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: That's right.

691
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 5: She listens to me. Now she don't listen to mena.

692
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: The fifteen year old should take over this megature Gee,

693
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: oh my god. You guys did you hear about Lotte's life?

694
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: They not fifteen year olds. Don't talk like that. Me

695
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: Moore Karen Well, I don't care. It's my new character.

696
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: And so people attend the service for what they believe

697
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: is Amy's memorial, but something strange is happening.

698
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: In the meantime.

699
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: The police keep getting tips from people who believe they're

700
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: seeing Amy in and around the town of Carmel by

701
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: the Sea, oh, about four hundred and fifty miles north

702
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: of here. And it's just a bunch of non related

703
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: people being like, yep, we know what she looks like

704
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: because she's always on the newspaper there she is. Oh no,

705
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: so authorities.

706
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: So.

707
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: On June twenty third, nineteen twenty six, one month after

708
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: her disappearance into the ocean, Amy turns up in Agua

709
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Prida in Mexico, just across the border from Douglas, Arizona.

710
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: She claims, you've heard.

711
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 5: This one before.

712
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: She claims that she'd been held in a shack somewhere

713
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: in the desert where kidnappers were holding her prisoner. Vintage Vintage,

714
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Gone Girl.

715
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 3: Right, they shacked in there.

716
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: She says that she had been out on the beach

717
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: that day and a couple had come up to her

718
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: and asked her to pray over their sick child, and

719
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: then when she went to the car with them, swoop

720
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 2: they just kidnapped her. M you wink.

721
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: But she can't give a ton of details.

722
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: About her captors or the shack in the desert, which

723
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: is never found.

724
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: But what details do you need of a shack in

725
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: the desert?

726
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Shack?

727
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 3: It's shitty wood, There was graffiti on the inside. There

728
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: was one small bench.

729
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Right, that's what do you mean?

730
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: We know what a shack in the desert looks like.

731
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: And the media, of course, goes crazy. On her return,

732
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: thongs of supporters celebrate the e the Angelus Temple, believing

733
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: that she survived through the divine protection this ordeal, that

734
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: she was kidnapped. When she arrives back in La by Training,

735
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: thousands of her fans and followers greet her at the

736
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: station with flowers, songs, and chanting her name.

737
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: We oh, Amy, you were in a shack in the desert.

738
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: Now y'are back. We're so proud of you.

739
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 8: We love Jesus to Amy, Amy, Amy.

740
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, appreciate you.

741
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: That was beautiful.

742
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: It's fun to imagine songs people would sing at this

743
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: train station.

744
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Back because you don't know, you could be exactly right,

745
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: you know, I could be dead on. Yeah, that's their something.

746
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 5: They're all singing.

747
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: It's Amy's training. And here she comes. Let me stand

748
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: over here, I'm a man.

749
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: So she makes her triumphant return to the pulpit, and

750
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: the temple overflows and worshipers are convinced that she has

751
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: a direct line to go o d okay. She's dramatically

752
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: escorted to thunderous applause, escorted and.

753
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: Like James Brown, like she's all tired already, totally.

754
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 2: People are overcoming droid. They faint at the sight of her,

755
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: like it's you know, are they faking it? That's a

756
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: little dramatic.

757
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: He's like, wait, watch her arms about to go up.

758
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lose it.

759
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: If her arm goes up, is how to go, I'm

760
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: gonna lose it.

761
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: I will lose it. We have a whole another one

762
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: of these after this.

763
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: You gotta keep it.

764
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: Fresh, keep it tight.

765
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: That's right. So if Amy's followers had faith in her before,

766
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: they're even more devout. The non believers are like, uh, yeah, right,

767
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: they're over it. This includes the LA District Attorney, a

768
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: man named Asa Keys. He believes that this is either

769
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: a publicity stunt or a cover up for that romantic rendezvous,

770
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: and so he convenes a grand jewelry to determine if

771
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: fraud has taken place, which.

772
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: I just thought a second ago. Okay again, what about

773
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: the intercom coming on? And then it's like, so, anyway,

774
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: how many brothers and sisters do you have?

775
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Are your eyes green or blue? I can't?

776
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh no, we're Mike.

777
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, it's good. We need we need it. We

778
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: needed in today's economy.

779
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: Today's in twenty twentive. We need these terrible jokes.

780
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: So witnesses come forward. Hotel maids, neighbors, people just from

781
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: Caramel by the Sea.

782
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 5: Have you been there?

783
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: Yes?

784
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cute, right, They like, don't have house numbers

785
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: or something.

786
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Right, no addresses and it's covered in caramel. It's so delicious.

787
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: But it seems like a good place to hide out,

788
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: especially back then.

789
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: Probably right, nobody could get up the one back then, right,

790
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: take days the one.

791
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 5: There was no one, It was only a two.

792
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: And so all of them swore that they saw Amy

793
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: and Kenneth together. Reporters came on the courthouse steps, they

794
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: were filing daily stories, and her kidnap case becomes front

795
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: page news across America. Let's ask your grandparents about that,

796
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: our great grandparents. Yeah, everyone's young here. Yeah, prosecutor's paint

797
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: this sensational picture that she had faked her an abduction

798
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: to cover this illicit romance. Oh God, Kenneth's wife must

799
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: have been so fucking pissed.

800
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: So pissed. And also it's such a weird idea where

801
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: it's like blind insanely famous.

802
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of.

803
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: God, let me go ahead of this affair by drowning.

804
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 5: Right, It doesn't sound planned.

805
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: That's just the beginning and we'll figure the rest out later.

806
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: Come on, Kenneth, that was.

807
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: A rough draft.

808
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: She went for it.

809
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: So basically, if it's true, she lighted her congregation, obstructed justice,

810
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: wasted the resources of police and the Coastguard who were

811
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: looking for her, all the volunteers who were looking for

812
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: her body. So indictments for perjury and conspiracy loom, but

813
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: Amy maintains her story and she has the support of

814
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: thousands of her followers. So the great winds up proving

815
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: that Kenneth had rented a cottage in Carmel by the Sea,

816
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: but Kenneth claims he had actually been renting it with

817
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: a different woman altogether, not even Amy.

818
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: That's a great excuse. No, hear him out, hear him out.

819
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: He's got to be going somewhere with this, right, It

820
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: was not my side piece, your honor, it was my

821
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: back piece.

822
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. She's a different one.

823
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: But essentially because he says that the city's forced to

824
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: drop the case due to lack of evidence in nineteen

825
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty seven, one year after the disappearance. So him saying

826
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: he had a side piece that wasn't his side piece

827
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: got her off.

828
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the wife is still over there, like this

829
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: isn't making it better, Kenneth.

830
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's my redemption?

831
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: Sparc please please? Now, There's actually.

832
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: One more theory about Amy's disappearance that gets kicked around,

833
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: and that is actually was a legitimate kidnapping, and that

834
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: her Amy's mother arranged it because because remember, her mom

835
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: was in that Perry Mason too. Yes, there's very little

836
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: evidence allegedly allegedly they're all dead that point to this,

837
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: but some people do point out that Minnie was unhappy

838
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: with her daughter's behavior and possible affair.

839
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: And actually wanted her granddaughter.

840
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: To take over. So she was like set up, set

841
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: up a kidnapping to get rid of her daughter.

842
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: Joinked her off image sent her to the desert to

843
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: that one.

844
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: Shack that we all know and love.

845
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: But it has a little chimney, but there's no fireplace.

846
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 3: It's just what they need.

847
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, not a lot to back this up. So

848
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: Amy returns to her regularly scheduled pulpit programming at the

849
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Angelist Temple, but rarely discusses the incident. It tarnishes her

850
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: image with non believers. But you know, she's media savvy.

851
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: She knows how to make everyone excited about God and

852
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: her own self, and so people just keep coming to her.

853
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: The magic recipe right there.

854
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: God and me, Yeah, that's it. In the nineteen thirty

855
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: she marries and divorces again within a few years, but

856
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: established works hard to establish her church, which she names

857
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: the International Church of the Four Square Gospel. Is that

858
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: a thing?

859
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

860
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Four square? That's not just the game, truly.

861
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: Well, it can be anything you want it to be.

862
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Great, So the church now does go by the four

863
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: Square Church, and it's actually still operational in the Angelus

864
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Temple today. Outside of the Temple, she has dozens of

865
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: affiliated congregations spread across the US and makes use of

866
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: them during the Great Depression to distribute clothing, food, and

867
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: assistance to tens of thousands of struggling families. So she's like,

868
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: sorry about that one thing, I'm going to make up

869
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: for it with.

870
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 5: This other thing.

871
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: Great, and then we'll take it.

872
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, her humanitarian work softens the public image. Behind the scenes,

873
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: she is still suffering from a lack of sleep and

874
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: a dependence on pills. She's traveling with her sermons devoted

875
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: to the cause.

876
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 5: I mean touring back then happens.

877
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: Suck, well, right, maybe except where don't forget that they

878
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: used to put cocaine in soda. So that's true, you know,

879
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: depends on what you're into.

880
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, driving around the country and your little un air

881
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: conditioned car, I mean out of your mind, teta your

882
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: fucking mind.

883
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: Let's get the word out.

884
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: So in September nineteen forty four, she fails to show

885
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: up at an appearance in Oakland. Oh my god, are

886
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: we just did that? Rich and people are immediately concerned.

887
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: So on September twenty seventh, nineteen forty four, hotel staff

888
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: where she's staying, find in her room. Find her in

889
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: her room, alone, in her bed, unresponsive. Amy's declared dead

890
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: at fifty three. The causes ruled an accidental overdose of

891
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: second all sedative that everyone loved back then. Her premature

892
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 2: passing shocks her followers. She's only fifty three, and the

893
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: public like toggles between her professional impact and her personal scandals.

894
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Her body's transported back to Los Angeles, where upwards of

895
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: fifty thousand mourners file past her cap How many touched her?

896
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: Do you think doesn't matter if she's dead?

897
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well I was really like, I hope they had

898
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: hand sanitizer. But that's weird.

899
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: It is.

900
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Finger prints. I'm talking like fingerprints, you know what I mean? No, no, inappropriate.

901
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

902
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: The funeral is one of the largest Los Angeles has

903
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: ever seen, with traffic jams reported for blocks around Echo Park.

904
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: Reporters noted that the grandeur of the Angelus temple, filled

905
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: with flowers, white drapery, and music was more like a

906
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: pageant than a traditional funeral, and in true Amy spirit,

907
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: the affair is a Hollywood type production with genuine religious devotion,

908
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: a fitting end for such a theatrical person. And that

909
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 2: is the story of Amy Semple.

910
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 5: McPherson.

911
00:48:49,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, what do you think really happened?

912
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: I think she took off with her lover and had

913
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: a fucking nice couple of weeks to herself.

914
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what do you think?

915
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: I love the shack concept. I don't know if you're

916
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: really staying with that shack because it also makes it

917
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: feel like if it's a shack in the desert, it's

918
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: really small. But then the kidnappers have to be in

919
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: there with her, so they're all just shoved into nobody's happy, right, Yeah,

920
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: just will all suffer out here until your mom says

921
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 3: we can come back to town. Anything's possible, truly with God.

922
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 5: Not kidding.

923
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: Amen. And that is the message that we're trying to

924
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: give to everyone tonight. Whatever God you would like that

925
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: to be very open, non denominational, but highly religious show. Okay,

926
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna take a little bit of left turn let's

927
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: do it my story. And I don't know if you've

928
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: ever seen there's a billboard that is on East Melrose,

929
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: almost like almost two virgil and a couple times a

930
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 3: year or I guess once a year, but I notice it.

931
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. Oftentimes, once a year there will be

932
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: a billboard and it's a very small billboard. You wouldn't

933
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: notice it. For the La Bug Fair. Have you ever

934
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: seen this?

935
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: I've been to the La bug Frair. Yeah, I ate

936
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: a chocolate chirp cookie that had crickets in it.

937
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: Oh.

938
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: Hell yes, we begin this story. The two thousand and

939
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: three is Los Angeles' most prestigious Hollywood event, the Natural

940
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: History Museum's annual Bug Fair. That's right, this is a

941
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: fucking bug fair. Story of last Joel, I love that.

942
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: You know the bug Fair.

943
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, it's Rad's horrifying, but it's rad.

944
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

945
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: So every year, if you don't know, thousands of people

946
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: nature enthusiasts and collectors alike flocked to the museum for

947
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: this event, featuring workshops, educational exhibits, and a marketplace where

948
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: you can buy pretty much any bug related thing imaginable,

949
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: including actual bugs. At this bug Fair market go, are

950
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: you looking for praying mantis? Why don't you going down

951
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: with bug fair? Get a good PRIs. Don't ever tell

952
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: you about the fucking time I got a weird feel.

953
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: I was sitting in my house at the kitchen table,

954
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: and I got a weird feeling and I looked at

955
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: my shoulder and there was a fucking praying mantis.

956
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 5: On my shoulder.

957
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

958
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: And this made the exaggeration because I'm a big liar.

959
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: But when I turned, when I turned and looked at

960
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: this praying mantis, it went its head went like this

961
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: like it was also gazing back at me. And then

962
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: I screamed and locked it off my shoulder. Oh my god,

963
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: it was so fucking scary.

964
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: Sounds like Uncanny Valley. Yes, just a stearing into the

965
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: fucking eyeballs. Yes of a fucking.

966
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, perch, I feel weird. Why do I feel so?

967
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 4: You?

968
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I love them, I just don't like surprise bugs.

969
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: I can deal with bugs, but not surprise bugs.

970
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: And what is a more surprising bug than a fucking

971
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: praying mantis? For God's sakes, head, separate head, body looking

972
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: at you, I'm thinking, what it's weird? Praying hands more

973
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: religion stuff. Okay, you can buy live bugs and you

974
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: can buy dead bugs that have been mounted and put

975
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: on display. Among the crowd at the seventeenth annual Bugfair

976
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: is a man named Ed Newcomer. Writer Jessica Spiert describes

977
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: him as quote your typical southern California beach boy end quote.

978
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: He's in his thirties. He's a self professed nature lover,

979
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: but he's not here for Bugfair fun like everybody else

980
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: you see. Ed is a rookie special agent with US

981
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: Fish and Wildlife Service is tasked with fighting the illegal

982
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: wildlife trade. He sees his work is very important and

983
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: rightfully so. Special Agent Newcomer has said, quote, there's really

984
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: no more innocent victim than our natural environment. You know,

985
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: a bear can't call nine one one and say that

986
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: someone came and poached her cub. What if he could? Hello?

987
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: Who is this Is this a prank?

988
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 8: Call?

989
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: Wow? My baby?

990
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: You said a scene did it?

991
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: It's me?

992
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 5: I'm the problem.

993
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: You immediately accept responsibility.

994
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 5: It's all on me. I'll take it.

995
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: We're still middle of the quote. So it's really important

996
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: to have law enforcement officers out there who are willing

997
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 3: to take the time to try to solve wildlife crime end.

998
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: Quote is it hot too? Like, what's the deal?

999
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 3: We'll take it. Well, we're gonna look at him one

1000
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: second and one second. So Ed got into this game

1001
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: because he thought it he'd be investigating the poaching of

1002
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: big exotic animals like, of course, bears or elephants or

1003
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: jungle cats. He never knew there was a market for

1004
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: dead butterflies, but it turns out that there is, and

1005
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: it's a huge trade rare, pinned and mounted butterflies, including

1006
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: endangered and protected ones. Those trade for small fortunes in

1007
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: that quaint little corner of the black market. So Special

1008
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: Agent Newcomer has gotten a tip that one of the

1009
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: world's most notorious butterfly dealers, the quote Indiana Jones of butterflies.

1010
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: Come on. He gave that to himself for sure.

1011
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: You know, the whole butterfly community they got together on

1012
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: a conference call and they said, we're naming this motherfucker

1013
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: that Indiana Jones of Butterflies has a booth at the

1014
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 3: Bugfair this year, and along with the legal specimen that

1015
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: he will have on sale, there may be some illegal

1016
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: insect contraband available for his most trusted patrons. For years,

1017
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 3: this smuggler has evaded authorities in the illegal bug and

1018
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: insect trade. But now Special Agent Newcomer is on the case,

1019
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: and he's determined to bring this entire, dirty, yet incandescently

1020
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: beautiful enterprise down town to China Town. This is the

1021
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: story of Special Agent Ed Newcomer's investigation into butterfly trafficker

1022
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: Yoshi Kojima.

1023
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: Whoa so this.

1024
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: Main sources used in this story today are the book

1025
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 3: Winged Obsession, The Pursuit of the World's most Notorious Butterfly Smuggler.

1026
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: Oh, a whole book by Jessica Speirt Great, she.

1027
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Wrote a whole book on it. Also episode three oh

1028
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: five of My favorite podcast Criminal entitled The Butterfly Smuggler,

1029
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: and Ed Newcomer's own podcast series. Special Agent Ed Newcomber

1030
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: has a podcast and it's called Nature's Secret Service.

1031
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's got a podcast these days, the Nature Guy.

1032
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 3: And they were like, oh oh yeah, and this one

1033
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: big butterfly has a podcast too, so please listen to

1034
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 3: her side of the story. Okay, so we're back at

1035
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: the seventeenth the annual bugfairgent. Special Agent Newcomer is not

1036
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: just on the case. First of all, he's a rookie.

1037
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: This is is the first case, so it's his name

1038
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: is literal. He's a newcomer. He's not just on the case.

1039
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: He's working. He's in sorry left the page.

1040
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 2: Undercover.

1041
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: Yes, he's undercover, Thank you so much. God damn it.

1042
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: I can't believe I got that. I was.

1043
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say in disguise so badly, and

1044
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not the correct term for the poet.

1045
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 5: Trench coat.

1046
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: Got a weird metal arm that comes out and grabs

1047
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: a bug, takes it back.

1048
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: Inspector gadget, the inspector gadget of the butterfly world.

1049
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: So so Ed is there to get eyes on fifty

1050
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: three year old Yoshi Kojuma. But he is not working alone.

1051
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: He also has a wired informant in the crowd today,

1052
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: who Ed hopes will catch Yoshi's saying something damning on tape.

1053
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: The US Fish and Wildlife Agency has had Yoshi on

1054
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: their radar for years, so Ed already knows a little

1055
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: bit about him. He knows Yoshi has homes in both

1056
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: Kyoto and Los Angeles. He's always traveling back and forth

1057
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: between them. He knows that in the decade or so

1058
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: that Yoshi's been legally active in this trade. He has

1059
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: also been suspected of some very unethical and outright illegal practices.

1060
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: For example, it's believed that Yoshi harvested butterfly species in

1061
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: such huge numbers in the Sierra Nevada Mountains that experts

1062
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: were afraid entire local populations of butterflies were wiped out.

1063
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: Dude, yeah wow, but he.

1064
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: Just loved them so much. How big is that net?

1065
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: For real?

1066
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: He's also suspected of targeting very rare protected butterflies in

1067
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: national parks around the US, but there's never been a

1068
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: serious enough investigation to lead into any to lead to

1069
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: any criminal charges for it. But that's all going to

1070
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: change at the two thousand and three bug fair?

1071
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: Right, what a fun job?

1072
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: Like?

1073
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: Why didn't they tell you out of high school that

1074
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: you could walk around a bug fair in disguise as

1075
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: your job? Like I maybe would have gone to college, yes.

1076
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: Instead of just oh, study homework, no science, it's like

1077
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: no communications.

1078
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 5: No, I would not think find a bug fief?

1079
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: How about bug disguises? How about the real shit? How

1080
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: about wired informants? Or the first time I've that I

1081
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: was like, was that wired informant like you're just a

1082
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: very curious second grader. That was like what kind of

1083
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: infect do you have? And it's like, got you, motherfucker.

1084
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: We'll get to that part, okay. So Special Agent Newcomer

1085
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: will later be quoted as saying, quote, when you arrest

1086
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: these people and they end up in front of a judge,

1087
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: they tell the judge I'm an animal lover. I just

1088
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: got a little carried away and nothing pisses me off more.

1089
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: They are not animal lovers. They are either in it

1090
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: for the money or they're in it for the obsession

1091
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: of collecting and owning and having and controlling.

1092
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: Whoa and hard boiled.

1093
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: Yes, this is his first case and he's fucking had it.

1094
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: It's like you love a man with passion, but butterfly passion.

1095
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So Special Agent Newcomer is strolling through

1096
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: the bug fare incognito with whistling real loud because this

1097
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: is his first case. He's wearing his dockers and his

1098
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 3: braided belt and a nice golf shirt. He's not a cop.

1099
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: He's not a cop. And then he finally gets oh, sorry,

1100
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: I think we have a picture of ed newcomers, don't

1101
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: we eat oh.

1102
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: Yes, what a hero.

1103
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: Right, and then Ed finally gets a visual of his target.

1104
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: It's Yoshi. He's at his booth and Ed doesn't think

1105
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: he looks particularly criminal, No, he doesn't. He's a dad.

1106
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: He's got a dad hat on Hawaiian shirt.

1107
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: He's just kind of a party dad.

1108
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a couple of bugs. He loves bugs. It's

1109
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: all above table about the table, the.

1110
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: Above, a very very low table. Okay, So he gets

1111
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: his he sees, he puts eyes on, he realizes who

1112
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: he's dealing with. What are you laughing about?

1113
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 5: Puts eyes on?

1114
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 3: Does anyone have eyes on? So, As author Jessica Spiart reports,

1115
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Yohi's staple outfit consists of a fanny pack, loose khaki pants,

1116
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: and either a Hawaiian shirt or a polo shirt. And

1117
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 3: this is this specifically usually stained out shut out shut.

1118
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean that I would be like, that's a cop,

1119
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: for sure, you know, dressing like a cop a art.

1120
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: But also it's just so rough for your like known

1121
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: outfit to include the staining. It's just like she usually

1122
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: wore a black pants, black shirt, and a ton of

1123
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: white dog hair. Just like you didn't have to say

1124
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: the last part about me. You didn't have to say it.

1125
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 3: God damn it. She's always asking for a lip roller

1126
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: for some reason.

1127
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: It's a subtle dig, for sure.

1128
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: It hurts, just like a stain. So Special Agent Newcomer

1129
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 3: has a visual on the enemy. He keeps his distance.

1130
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: He plays a cool on the sidelines, but he watches

1131
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: intently as his informant approaches Yoshi's booth. Heym my thirt.

1132
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 5: Also, how subtle is this intent?

1133
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: Watch?

1134
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 5: Because I bet he's not good yet at it.

1135
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 3: Just like pacing back and for it, rubbing his chin.

1136
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: The only guy sweating at the bugfair.

1137
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: I just love bugs. Sorry, dude, I just love bugs.

1138
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: So Ed will say about the informant. I saw him

1139
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: go talk to Yoshi a few times, but every time

1140
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: I would check in with the informant, he would say

1141
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: he won't talk to me. He won't talk to me,

1142
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: He just won't say anything. And then the informant just

1143
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 3: got more and more jittery. It definitely was not going well.

1144
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: So I decided, what the hell, I'm going to go

1145
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: talk to this guy. So Special Agent is like out

1146
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: of my way, eight year old, I'm going to take

1147
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: care of this So Newcomer isn't exactly prepared for this moment.

1148
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 3: He's new to the case, he hasn't had the opportunity

1149
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: to learn much about butterflies, but he's quick on his feet.

1150
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 3: He strolls up to the booth and introduces himself as

1151
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: Ted Nelson. Okay, yes, someone's been taking UCB classes, Ted Nelson,

1152
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: you say? He then says he's a recently retired businessman

1153
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 3: who sold off his father's company and now has some

1154
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: money to burn, and he has a new fascination with

1155
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 3: rare insects, you know, that casual conversation you make at

1156
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 3: the bugfair Ed looks through Yoshi's display cases, all legal

1157
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: insects that are there to buy and sell. He pretends

1158
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: to be amazed, and this feeds Yoshi's egos so well

1159
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: that he can't help but show Ted Nelson something that

1160
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: he's been keeping in the back, so to speak.

1161
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: It is a.

1162
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: Massive since six inch horned dynasty beetle living a living

1163
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: look at it. Look at it, also known as the

1164
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: rhinoceros beetle.

1165
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: So what if that was on your shoulder and you

1166
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: looked over, you'd be like, what is it?

1167
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: What do you have to tell me? So because it's

1168
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: it said Marion rode in here that this was a

1169
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: six inch beetle. I immediately turned and googled what is six

1170
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: inches long?

1171
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not a dick joke.

1172
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 3: It's so blame of you and cheap of you. It's

1173
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: not the first thing that came up in AI. We're fucked.

1174
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 3: I mean, we're fucked beyond belief. I don't have to

1175
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: tell you guys that this is instead of a dick joke,

1176
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: it's just about how fucked we are with AI. Because

1177
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 3: here's what the AI answer I got. There's a quad

1178
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: of like four pictures that's say, common things that are

1179
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: sink six inches long, and no joke. The first picture

1180
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: is a baseball. It's a base ball. It's a base ball.

1181
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 5: That's not right.

1182
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: That's the first fucking picture, an American base ball. And

1183
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: then it says under that quote, items around six inches

1184
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: long include the width of a dollar bill. The width

1185
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 3: of a dollar bill. There are companies using AI to

1186
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 3: build things like airplanes and rockets and engines and shit

1187
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: like that. The width of a dollar bill is six inches.

1188
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Even we know that's not right, and we didn't go

1189
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: to college.

1190
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: Even math dipshits like ourselves. It literally says the width

1191
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 3: of a dollar bill, some pens, certain chefs noves, and

1192
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 3: half a standard twelve inch ruler. Thanks so much, thank you,

1193
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: thank you.

1194
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

1195
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: Great, Now I know exactly what I'm dealing with.

1196
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: That was just rude.

1197
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: A baseball.

1198
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: Some chef nights to give you a six inch chef night, yes,

1199
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: not some.

1200
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: Some too bad. There's ones that are this long, some pens,

1201
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: but not those ones you get when you're a tourist

1202
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: that have they're real long because you went to New

1203
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 3: York City, the Big Apple.

1204
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: And turn it upside down and she's naked.

1205
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 3: Right, there's your six inches right there. You made me

1206
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 3: do that. You forced me to do it. I don't

1207
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: want to work blue, you want me to. Okay, We're

1208
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: done with that part. Never forget the six inch rhinoceros.

1209
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: Never will, okay.

1210
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 3: So, especially Agia Newcomer, suspects that this dollar bill wide

1211
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 3: beetle was smuggled into the US from its native South America,

1212
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: almost certainly without the necessary permits. But that's a minor

1213
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: violation of US Department of Agriculture rules. So ED doesn't

1214
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 3: think that that will be enough to take down a

1215
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 3: smuggler on the level of Yoshi, who is rumored to

1216
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 3: trade in much much rarer, more highly protected specimens. But

1217
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: Yoshi's showing Ed this beetle is huge for this investigation

1218
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: because it shows that that Yoshi has now made a

1219
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: connection with aspiring collector Ted Nelson. So so Ted Nelson

1220
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: thinks Yoshi for his time, does a casual loop around

1221
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: the bugfair do do do, and then when it's almost

1222
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: closing time, circles back to Yoshi's booth, only to find

1223
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: Yoshi waiting there with a box which he presents to

1224
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: his new friend Ted Nelson, and inside there are thirteen

1225
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: dead pins and mounted butterflies, which Yoshi says are to quote,

1226
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: start your collection. Whoa there you go.

1227
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: That's so insulting to do that in a natural history museum,

1228
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: like go to a cafe. You know what I mean?

1229
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: It's like double bad.

1230
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 3: Yes, it's pretty shitty. So now special Agent Newcomer knows

1231
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: for sure he has made a connection. And even better,

1232
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: Yoshi wrote his email address inside that box, and so

1233
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 3: Ed now has a direct line to him to one

1234
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 3: of the biggest insects smugglers that they know about. So

1235
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: Ed still plays a cool he doesn't reach out to

1236
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: Yoshi right away.

1237
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, yeah, that's how you do it.

1238
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 3: You have to wait five days.

1239
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: Five I don't know.

1240
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: In smuggling, you have to wait for the quarantine.

1241
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 5: Okay.

1242
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: So then he doesn't reach out to him right away.

1243
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: He goes and listens to the recordings that the informant captured,

1244
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 3: and in them, Yoshi isn't revealing much, although there is

1245
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: one bombshell. Ed listens as Yoshi brags about how at

1246
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 3: the airport he pretends to work for National Geographic and

1247
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,480
Speaker 3: tells customs agents that he provides bugs for their documentaries

1248
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: and they're all cast. It's like I had auditions. This

1249
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 3: rhinoceros feedle was incredible. Really got that it factor, Yoshi says,

1250
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 3: tells the informant this lie works like a charm, and

1251
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 3: the airport officials usually let him go without scrutinizing his collection.

1252
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: And then he also brags about out smarting US fish

1253
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: and wildlife investigators. And that's the part where Special Agent

1254
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: Newcomer just slides his headphones off and he eds hails,

1255
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: and then he goes, now it's personal. This is for

1256
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 3: my movie, Special Agent Ed Newcomer. Nobody gets to steal it. Okay.

1257
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 3: So he sits tight for about a week and then,

1258
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 3: acting as Ted Nelson, he sends Yoshi and email asking

1259
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: for help identifying some of the butterflies. Yo she gave

1260
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 3: him as a gift. The men exchange some emails. They

1261
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: then they talk on the phone, and then Yoshi sets

1262
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: up an in person meeting at the Starbucks near the

1263
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 3: intersection of Venice and Robertson in Los Angeles.

1264
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: They took my advice and went to a cafe. It's

1265
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: really sweirt.

1266
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 3: They literally what if this whole thing is just turns

1267
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 3: into you dictating what the story is. This is the

1268
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: newest version of AI. It's called self podcasting. So this

1269
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: is that Starbucks on Venice and Robertson that has very

1270
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 3: little parking. It's almost like a trader Joe's in that way.

1271
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: M hm.

1272
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: The vibe is off there.

1273
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 2: Okay.

1274
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 3: So Ed it is incredibly nervous for this meeting because

1275
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,919
Speaker 3: he's wearing a wire this time, and he's doing everything

1276
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 3: that he can not to blow his cover. He needs

1277
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 3: to say all the right things that Ted Nelson would

1278
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 3: say while simultaneously pushing for you know, more information and

1279
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: incriminating information, but not so hard that Yoshi would become suspicious.

1280
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: But Yoshi immediately starts asking a ton of questions, and

1281
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: they're really prying questions, and they seem to be geared

1282
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: at suessing out whether or not Ted Nelson.

1283
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: Is a cop.

1284
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 3: ED has prepared for this though. He's got his full

1285
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: Ted Nelson backstory memorized, and he even has a Ted

1286
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 3: Nelson Costco card in his wallet just in case anybody

1287
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 3: looks in there. You gotta get the Costco card you

1288
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: want to prove something. Yeah, I actually have done that

1289
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 3: though when you like, I don't have my license, oh,

1290
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: just like, well, I do have this Costco card. I'm

1291
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 3: a Bold member. Will that get me through security?

1292
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

1293
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 3: So ED newcomer will later say about this meetup quote,

1294
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 3: I was sweating like crazy.

1295
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: Real chill.

1296
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 5: That's the thing you don't want to do is sweat like.

1297
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 3: Crazy sweat while wearing a wire.

1298
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1299
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, But in the end, Yoshi seems to buy that

1300
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 3: was the whole quote. By the way, I just thought

1301
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: that was good to put that in there. In the end,

1302
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 3: Yoshi seems to buy Ted Nelson's whole story and offers

1303
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: to teach him all about identifying, mounting and collecting rare

1304
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 3: butterflies so that the two of them can get into

1305
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 3: business together. It's a lucrative business. Yoshi claims that he

1306
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 3: nets anywhere between eight hundred and ten thousand dollars per butterfly,

1307
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: depending on how rare they are. Damn yes, so Ed

1308
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: suspects Yoshi sees his new friend Ted Nelson as a

1309
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 3: useful fall guy in this very high stakes game of

1310
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 3: illegal insect trading. So basically, because the two men come

1311
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: up with this arrangement where Ted will post bugs and

1312
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: butterflies for sale on eBay and Yoshi will act as

1313
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 3: the supplier, which also enables Yoshi to keep his hands clean,

1314
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: and it'll all go on Ted if the ship goes down.

1315
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: So Ed tries to cement this relationship, but it's clear

1316
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 3: that Yoshi's trust is fragile because in one of their

1317
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 3: earlier meetings, Yoshi walks Ted out to his car, but

1318
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: then circles the car completely, looking into the windows and

1319
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 3: checking the license plate and even examining the front grill.

1320
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's not going to say his real name on it.

1321
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 3: I was like, what if it's down here?

1322
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, where do you put your name on your car?

1323
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 3: Way down under the front that's right. Yeah, just put

1324
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 3: my initials up under there. Uh so, Ed remembers quote,

1325
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: it would have been very unnatural for me not to

1326
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: have been like, what the hell are you doing? That's

1327
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: the whole quote. I did it again. Sorry that was

1328
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 3: too short. Sorry. So he asks Yoshi what's going on.

1329
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 3: Yoshi says he's looking for cameras, a police gun, or

1330
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 3: any other sign that Ted Nelson is working undercover. Ed

1331
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: laughs it off, but he can't deny that Yoshi is

1332
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 3: clearly a serious dealer. So soon after this, Yoshi returns

1333
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: to Japan. But he calls emails and skypes because it's

1334
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: two thousand and three with Ted Nelson regularly, and on

1335
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: these calls he feeds Ed's ongoing investigation by bragging about

1336
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 3: carrying an American passport under a name that's not his own.

1337
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 3: He's just chit chatting and incriminating the fuck out of

1338
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 3: himself left and right. He shares details on how he

1339
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: actually ships his butterflies to buyers, and he even boasts

1340
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 3: about how he has a network of collectors all around

1341
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: the world to capture specimens locally and send them to him.

1342
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 5: Dude, keep your mouth shut.

1343
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 3: No, he can't just like that. He's just he's having

1344
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 3: a great time. He even shares tips with Ted Nelson

1345
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 3: on how to avoid getting nabbed by the US Fish

1346
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 3: and Wildlife agents. But months are going by and Yoshi

1347
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 3: hasn't sent ted any endangered butterflies, which means it doesn't

1348
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: have any kind of evidence or any of the evidence

1349
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 3: that he needs. So he tries to push things along

1350
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 3: and build goodwill by posting flattering comments about Yoshi on

1351
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 3: various bug trading websites, and Ed thinks this will make

1352
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 3: it look like this is good policing. Yeah, he'll make

1353
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 3: it look like he's helping out Yoshi's business, because then

1354
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: that'll be good for his business. But actually it backfires

1355
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 3: and Yoshi cuts Ted off because he thinks the attention

1356
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 3: is going to put the heat on both of them.

1357
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 5: Right, and then connect them online.

1358
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, on bug websites on all those parts, literally only

1359
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 3: that eight year old infeman and four of his friends.

1360
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 3: So now Ed tries to real Yoshi back in by

1361
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,879
Speaker 3: creating fake eBay listings and having his fish and Wildlife

1362
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: service colleagues bid on them, hoping Yoshi will feel like

1363
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 3: he's missing out on all the sales. Ted Nelson is

1364
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 3: doing solo. Okay, that's smart, right, Fomo. Not only does

1365
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 3: Yoshi take the bait, Oh, not only does Yoshi not

1366
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: take the bait. He sees Ted's listings as direct and

1367
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: hostile competition, and he gets so angry that he reports

1368
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: Ted Nelson as a potential smuggler to the US Fish

1369
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: and Wildlife Service. Wow, yep, sall one big circle. M

1370
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: So now special agent, newcomer who's become known around the

1371
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: office as the butterfly Agent.

1372
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 5: Oh so mad.

1373
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: Feels like his case is just imploded because, as anyone

1374
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 3: who deals in the illegal insect trade knows, many of

1375
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,480
Speaker 3: us do, once someone gets reported to the US FAWS,

1376
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's the that's the initials. The assumption is

1377
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: that an agent will then reach out and either bust

1378
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 3: them or try to flip them as an informant, which

1379
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,440
Speaker 3: means that the extremely cautious Yosh she won't come anywhere

1380
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: near his fake friend Ted Nelson.

1381
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 5: Now right, oops.

1382
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 3: So Ed's bummed, but he is not going to give

1383
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 3: up completely. Instead, he reluctantly sets this butterfly case aside

1384
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 3: and he takes on a new case. He grows a

1385
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: handlebar mustache, and he goes undercover as a guy that

1386
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 3: gambles with domesticated pigeons. What you gotta move on, You

1387
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: just gotta move on.

1388
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 5: Okay, hold on?

1389
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: Are the gamblers the pigeons?

1390
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 4: Yes?

1391
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: Are the pigeons? The monetary.

1392
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 3: Foxcars.

1393
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: Maybe a little hat on that.

1394
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,839
Speaker 3: Was supposed to be a pigeon sound, but I got excited. Wow,

1395
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,440
Speaker 3: gotta handlebar mustache.

1396
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: You gotta have the handlebar mustache to be believed in

1397
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 2: the pigeon game.

1398
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,919
Speaker 3: People are like, you are not here to bet on birds.

1399
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see your mustache. Yes you are, Yes,

1400
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: you are. Uh. It's basically The Departed with animals at

1401
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 3: this point. So then a year later, in two thousand

1402
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 3: and six, it's time for the La Bugfair again eighteenth Annuel.

1403
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 3: That was the theme song, and Ed hears that Yoshi

1404
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 3: is going to be back in La again. So he

1405
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 3: remembers thinking, quote, heck, we got to give it one

1406
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: more try. Heck, oh, sorry, that's not the whole thing.

1407
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: Here's the whole quote. Heck, we got to give it

1408
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: one more try. Right, We're gonna give it our all

1409
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 3: end quote Heck yeah, man, heck yeah. So this year

1410
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 3: Ed's plan is very simple. He's just gonna quote bump

1411
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 3: into Yoshi at the bugfair as Ted Nelson. And then

1412
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: when he does and this really happens, Yoshi looks nervous

1413
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,520
Speaker 3: because again he not only turned Ted Nelson into the authorities,

1414
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: but he also is worried, probably that Ted is now

1415
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: an informant himself. But Ed doesn't miss a beat. He

1416
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 3: tells Yoshi it's great to see him and that he

1417
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 3: really owe in because some quote asshole turned him into

1418
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 3: the US Fish and Wildlife Service agents even got a

1419
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: search warrant for his house, but thanks to Yoshi's advice,

1420
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 3: he'd already hidden everything incriminating, and the investigators walked away

1421
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 3: empty handed. Ed later remembers, quote Yoshi's whole demeanor changed instantly.

1422
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 3: He was so thrilled that he that he had given

1423
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 3: me advice that helped me end quote. So Yoshi asks

1424
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 3: Ted to lunch, and there he quizzes him on where

1425
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 3: he's been getting his butterflies lately. Ed explains, lying that

1426
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: he now has a German supplier, but that he's not

1427
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 3: happy with the condition of the butterflies he's been receiving.

1428
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: They often arrive with damaged wings and antenna.

1429
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: Can't have that.

1430
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: It's just so weird. It's just so weird. So Yoshi

1431
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: offers to step in and work with Ted once again.

1432
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 3: They make plans to skype when Yoshi's back in Japan, like,

1433
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 3: let's make plans for you to see a movie a

1434
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: picture that moves every four seconds of me month owner,

1435
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: and we are back so Ted can check out his

1436
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 3: stock and then they can go from there. So soon

1437
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 3: these two men fall back into constant communication. Yoshi offers

1438
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 3: to supply Ted with all the all kinds of rare butterflies.

1439
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 3: He claims to have access to some Queen Alexandra's bird wings.

1440
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: Those are the largest butterflies on Earth.

1441
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: That's right, six bigger than six inches there.

1442
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 3: The wingspan is afoot. It's two rhinoceros beetles wide no

1443
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 3: no, no no no, no a foot wide.

1444
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: Yes.

1445
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 3: They're native to Papua New Guinea. And that's the last

1446
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: fact I have about them, Queen. No, sorry, I have

1447
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: one more. They're so big that when these butterflies fly,

1448
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: they're often mistaken for birds. But they're also one of

1449
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: the rarest butterflies in the world, so they're on the

1450
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 3: endangered species list. And this makes capturing and selling them

1451
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:23,480
Speaker 3: highly illegal. The Associated Press reports quote, there is protected

1452
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 3: as a snow leopard.

1453
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, right, who would you rather run into than

1454
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: the jungle?

1455
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: What would be great is if the bird wing butterfly

1456
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: landed on your head and then it looked like a hat.

1457
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so modern? What there's any haberdashers in

1458
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 3: the audience tonight. I have a copyright on that idea,

1459
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: but I'll never make it. But you should, then I'll

1460
01:21:53,120 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 3: sue you. A single mounted Queen Alexander His bird wing

1461
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: butterfly sells for thousands of dollars on the black market.

1462
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 3: So obviously Yoshi now fully trusts Ted Nelson because over

1463
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 3: the next two months he express mails him around forty

1464
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:20,799
Speaker 3: different butterflies, including two Queen Alexander's bird wings, and those

1465
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: cost him eighty five hundred dollars. And how much is

1466
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: that in today's money?

1467
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: Two thousand and six, two thousand, yes, okay, and.

1468
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: Twelve fourteen thousand dollars, so close.

1469
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm never satisfying.

1470
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: You're getting a little bit of applaus for being kind

1471
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 3: of at.

1472
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: Least I'm not wasn't laughed at this time, because I

1473
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: have been laughed at by many audiences.

1474
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 3: Sometimes we go in the complete opposite direction as we

1475
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 3: go lower doesn't make sense.

1476
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 9: We should do just a whole like everybody vote yeah,

1477
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 9: because this show isn't long enough, all right, So the

1478
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 9: butterflies in total are all forty cost undercover ed somewhere

1479
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 9: between fort oh sorry no, fourteen the dashes for something else.

1480
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 3: They cost it fourteen thousand dollars, which is twenty two

1481
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in today's money. You're welcome. So now Ed

1482
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,520
Speaker 3: finally has the concrete evidence he needs for his investigation.

1483
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: He has those butterflies, He has endless recordings and skype

1484
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: conversations and phone calls that outline in rich detail, indisputable

1485
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 3: criminal activity. But Yoshi's in Japan, and to make an arrest,

1486
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 3: of course, Ed needs Yoshi to be on us soil,

1487
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 3: so he has a plan. It finally dawns on him

1488
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: that quote. And this is the part where the story

1489
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 3: changes for me, and I don't like it anymore. That's

1490
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 3: very sad, because it finally dawns on Ed newcomer, that quote.

1491
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: Sometime during those calls, I realized Yoshi's got some type

1492
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 3: of an attraction toward me. So at first he simply

1493
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 3: brushed off Yo's Yoshi's ace advances, but now he decides

1494
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 3: he's going to use them. Ed secures an arrest warrant

1495
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: without Yoshi knowing, and then, as Ted Nelson, he hints

1496
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: that the two of them should go on a date

1497
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 3: when Yoshi's back in California, and Yoshi takes the bait.

1498
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: So there is a little bit of like making a

1499
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: friend and talking about a mutual interest. Oh my god,

1500
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: I love dead bugs too. This is magical, But it's

1501
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 3: a fucking It's a special agent in disguise.

1502
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 5: No, what a bummer.

1503
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 3: It gets worse. On July thirty first, two thousand and six,

1504
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 3: three years after Ed and Yoshi first crosspaths at the

1505
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: two thousand and three Bug Fair, Yoshi flies into Los

1506
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: Angeles and is immediately arrested on federal wildlife smuggling charges. Well,

1507
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 3: it gets more heartbreaking because hours later, while he's in custody,

1508
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: Yoshi's eyes light up when he sees Ted Nelson arriving

1509
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 3: to bail him out of jail. No, but in fact

1510
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: it is special Agent.

1511
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: Ed newcomer took his mustache off.

1512
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: He's like rip and these sideburns are fake too. Motherfucker,

1513
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: Ed says, of this quote, and then he looked down

1514
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 3: and he saw the Special Agent badge attached to my

1515
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 3: belt right by my holster. He says, have you been

1516
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: with fish and wildlife the whole time I've known you?

1517
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: He kind of put his head down. He didn't say

1518
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 3: anything else. He never asked me any questions about how

1519
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,520
Speaker 3: it all happened. It was weird. We had this relationship

1520
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 3: and then I arrested him and the relationship was over.

1521
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 3: End quote.

1522
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: That's sad.

1523
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 3: It sucks. Yeah, aside from the butterflies and the wildlife,

1524
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 3: I know guys that have done shit like this, separate

1525
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: from the insects, right like, Yeah, I didn't realize. I

1526
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: just skype with you every Now I.

1527
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Have a girlfriend. What are you talking about?

1528
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: What? Okay, we'll talk about that later. In the end,

1529
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 3: Yoshi Kojuma pleads guilty to seventeen counts of selling and

1530
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 3: smuggling and dangered species and is sentenced to twenty one

1531
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: months in prison, and he's fined almost thirty nine thousand dollars,

1532
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 3: which Ed says has yet to be paid, and when

1533
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: he's released in two thousand and eight, Yoshi is sent

1534
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 3: back to Japan. It seems that Yoshi has never spoken

1535
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 3: publicly about his arrest or dealings in the butterfly smuggling business.

1536
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 3: But when Ed Newcomer is interviewed by our friend Phoebe

1537
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 3: Judge on criminal he tells her that in twenty fifteen,

1538
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 3: he busts a twenty five year old smuggler at Lax who,

1539
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: among many other species, is carrying bird wing butterflies in

1540
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 3: his suitcase. And Ed says, quote out of nowhere, he goes, hey,

1541
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 3: have you heard of Yoshi Kojuma? And I said, yeah,

1542
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 3: I've heard of Yoshi And he goes, he's my mentor.

1543
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Fuck you?

1544
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 3: Double bird into your face?

1545
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 4: Is it?

1546
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 3: As he gets zip tied. That's bug smuggling. Man. You

1547
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 3: did not have to pretend it was love. It was

1548
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 3: just bug smuggling.

1549
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1550
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 3: This is Ed Newcomer's very first case as a US

1551
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 3: Fish and Wildlife Service investigator, So maybe we can forgive

1552
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 3: his ungodly transgression against the human heart. Fast forward two

1553
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 3: decades now it's twenty twenty one. Special Agent Ed Newcomer

1554
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: is about to retire when he is handed one last assignment.

1555
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Did you say? Fast forward two decades it's twenty twenty one.

1556
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 3: Don't you dare confront my map?

1557
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1558
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 3: Listen. Why do we care about numbers? Now?

1559
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: So I don't care. I love it.

1560
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 3: Let's fast forward two decades minus four years plus one year.

1561
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 3: I think, sorry, who's good at math? So he's handed

1562
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 3: his final case, which and then in my movie Special

1563
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 3: Agent ed Newcomer, it gets slapped down on his desk

1564
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 3: and then he picks it up and he opens it,

1565
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,839
Speaker 3: and then he takes some headphones off and he exhales,

1566
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 3: and he says, I'm too old for this shit, and

1567
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: then we get sued by Danny Glover. So this is

1568
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: a case that takes place in Alpine, California, where a Yes,

1569
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 3: so you guys you already know about this story. A

1570
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: construction worker named Eddie shows up to work one day

1571
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 3: and discovers a dog abandoned in a crate in the

1572
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 3: parking lot. But when he goes to check if the

1573
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 3: dog's okay, he looks inside and it's a baby jaguar.

1574
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: Why you know, Alpine shit? A six week old Alpine

1575
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 3: sorry jaguar cub Alpine born and bred jaguar cub.

1576
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh Man, what a find like? I never find anything good?

1577
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: So good.

1578
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 3: What am I going to be on the jaguar distribution

1579
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 3: system exactly?

1580
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Vince can't say no. If I accidentally stumble upon it,

1581
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: it looks it's ours. Now.

1582
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 3: We found a baby jaguar. We keep a baby jaguar.

1583
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: So it turns out someone left this baby jaguar in

1584
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 3: this exact spot, hoping that the nearby animal sanctuary lions,

1585
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: tigers and bears would come and find him and take

1586
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 3: him in. And that is exactly what happens. He's taken in,

1587
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: he's cleaned up, and they name him Eddie. And that's

1588
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: just a very cute, coincidental name. Because this is le

1589
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 3: case agent Ed newcomer is ever going to work, and

1590
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 3: he takes it very seriously. As we know he says

1591
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 3: about this case quote, whenever I had the chance to

1592
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 3: work on a case that involved live wildlife, particularly babies,

1593
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 3: I tried to make it a priority. So this was

1594
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 3: a case I was going to close before I retired,

1595
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: no question. So end quote. So Ed tracks down the

1596
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 3: dealer who first sold Eddie the baby jaguar. As it

1597
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 3: turns out she did it through her OnlyFans account.

1598
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 5: I didn't know they did that.

1599
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 3: You can, and you should and fucking power to all

1600
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 3: women everywhere. So look, get an OnlyFans account, sell illegal animals,

1601
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 3: exotic endangered animals on them. Get your bag, girl, do

1602
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 3: what you gotta do. Just make sure you're ahead of

1603
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 3: the games, Missy Elliott likes to say. In twenty twenty two,

1604
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 3: this woman is arrested and pleads guilty to one felony

1605
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: caut of trafficking and endangered species under the Endangered Species

1606
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 3: Act in California. You can be fined up to five

1607
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars for this and given between five and

1608
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 3: twenty years jail time. Dude, depending on the law you break.

1609
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 3: But I did get that those numbers from the AI

1610
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 3: answer on Google, so take it with a grain assault.

1611
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 3: The good news is Eddie the Jaguars living his best

1612
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 3: life at the Lions, Tigers and Bears Sanctuary. Up, Oh, Eddie,

1613
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 3: You're so cute. And with this case closed, Special Agent

1614
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 3: Ed Newcomer, who kickstarted his career by catching the Indiana

1615
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 3: Jones of butterflies, closes it by bringing justice to a

1616
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 3: baby jag Yua. And that is the story of Special

1617
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 3: Agent Ed Newcomer's crusade to bring down butterfly smuggler Yoshi coaching.

1618
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's we have time for a hometown. Yeah okay, oh.

1619
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: Article, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's up.

1620
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 3: What's up, savor, gentlemen, that's what I'm talking about.

1621
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey of podcasting.

1622
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 3: That's right about that.

1623
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Uh, with that, I will stand right over there.

1624
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So choose wisely.

1625
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 2: Okay, cheers, honestly, thank you.

1626
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna choose, so we've got so you can

1627
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 3: keep doing that. But we've got some rules to tell you,

1628
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 3: and these are important, and I think I'm going to

1629
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 3: move this rule up to number one. If you're too

1630
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 3: drunk to tell your story, just write it in and

1631
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 3: then say in the head in the subject line, I

1632
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 3: was too drunk to tell my story in San Diego,

1633
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 3: but I'd love for you to read it on the

1634
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 3: minniesot because we'll fucking do it. But if you're drunk,

1635
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up, because there's a bunch of people

1636
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 3: who have really well rehearsed stories and hometowns and they

1637
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 3: got it going on. Okay. Also, your story has to

1638
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 3: have a beginning, middle, and end, and it needs to

1639
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 3: be local. San Diego would be beautiful.

1640
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 10: I don't know sounis Okay, rather than that, don't push

1641
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 10: it because and we're just telling you that as your friends,

1642
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 10: the audience will absolutely attack you and tear your part outside.

1643
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 3: And now it is time for a hometown.

1644
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: You're picking this time. Remember I gave it up?

1645
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 3: Did you really give it up?

1646
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 5: Doing it anymore?

1647
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Well? How about right down the center, right there, the

1648
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 3: lone person.

1649
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, you're the only one.

1650
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 3: It's just you.

1651
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Go, go, go go elevents.

1652
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,879
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the walk of the hometown teller.

1653
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 8: It takes love, but it's worth Just keep it moving,

1654
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 8: keep it moving. Stand right over here.

1655
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 3: Jennifer's here, everyone, It's Jennifer. Everybody, Jennifer holld this.

1656
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 2: You can't have notes.

1657
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 3: Stand here, you don't need notes. Hold your notes.

1658
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: You can do it, Okay, Jennifer.

1659
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 3: Where are you from?

1660
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 2: I am from San Diego.

1661
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 4: I live in San Marcos.

1662
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Okay you like that?

1663
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 3: All right?

1664
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 2: Great?

1665
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 4: Great?

1666
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: Great?

1667
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

1668
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 4: Sadly, this is not a San Marcos story, Okay. It

1669
01:34:56,120 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 4: is uh southern California. I grew up in Upland, California,

1670
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 4: and this is a story of a young, sweet baby

1671
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 4: angel who was taken at the age of seventeen high school.

1672
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 4: I was a junior in nineteen eighty four. She was

1673
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 4: a class of nineteen eighty three, and she was lured

1674
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 4: by her friend's ex boyfriend into a garage where her

1675
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 4: name is Anna, Anna Marie, not going to give her

1676
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 4: last name, And she was lured in by a friend

1677
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 4: of her ex boyfriends into her garage where the ex boyfriend,

1678
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 4: who was also a senior in high school, strangled her

1679
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 4: with an extension court. Very sad, So keep an eye

1680
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 4: on your girls. Make sure they're not in bad relationships.

1681
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 4: She was buried three blocks from my home in what

1682
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: is now the two ten freeway that goes across Nineteenth

1683
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 4: and Mountain in Upland. And after about four or five

1684
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 4: six weeks, the guy that lured her into this felt

1685
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 4: guilty about the situation and that he was involved in

1686
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 4: and confessed to the police. Her body was exhumed and

1687
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 4: she was identified by her teeth, and I, just being

1688
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 4: the mother of a daughter, I can't even imagine what

1689
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 4: her parents went through. This happened in April of eighty three.

1690
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 4: She was supposed to graduate in June.

1691
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: Very sad.

1692
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very unfortunate. He the kid went to jail.

1693
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 4: I looked to figure out where he went. I how

1694
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 4: long he served, I don't know, but I'm not going

1695
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 4: to share his name because.

1696
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,919
Speaker 2: You know, they don't deserve it. But thank god, amazing.

1697
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 4: But to Anna Marie, we still think of you. She

1698
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 4: was the year ahead of me. She still thought of

1699
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 4: a friend of mine. Did a blog matter, she's a writer,

1700
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 4: and she did a big tribute to her, which was wonderful.

1701
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:16,719
Speaker 3: Nice.

1702
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you beautiful.

1703
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 3: That's nice, Jennifer. Everybody, that's your report.

1704
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like the best hug I've ever fucking

1705
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 2: had in my life. It's crazy.

1706
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 4: I m.

1707
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here. Great job, San Diego.

1708
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 3: We've done it, you guys. We made it. We finally

1709
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 3: did it.

1710
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 2: And thank you for coming out to see us after

1711
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: all these years off the road. This has been so

1712
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 2: amazing and special to see so many, so many of

1713
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 2: our friends on this tour. So thank you guys so

1714
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: much for coming and supporting us.

1715
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been here for We've come to San Diego

1716
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 3: many a time on tour. We've always had an incredible

1717
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 3: time with you guys. It means the world that you

1718
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: show up and that you support this show. You guys

1719
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 3: have given us a dream life and we thank you

1720
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 3: so much from the bottom of our hearts for it.

1721
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 3: It's incredible and they do and it's because of you, guys,

1722
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 3: so thank you so much. Thank you for creating the

1723
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 3: Murderino community, which is such a beautiful thing. It's a

1724
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 3: time in this country where we need community more than everything,

1725
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 3: and you guys have it with each other and for

1726
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,919
Speaker 3: each other, and please use it and please stay sexy.

1727
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 3: And thank you San Diego.

1728
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 7: Thank you to see Elvis, Do you Want a Cookie?

1729
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production.

1730
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 2: Our senior produce sir is Molly Smith and our associate

1731
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: producer is Tessa Hughes.

1732
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 3: Our editor is Aristotle lass Vedo.

1733
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1734
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 3: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1735
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

1736
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 3: And follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 2: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts. Goodbye,