Speaker 1: It's I do a Part two with your celebrity mentor
Speaker 1: Kelly Clin mets On. So I'm talking to one of
Speaker 1: my producers, Feather today and we are talking about a
Speaker 1: guy that they set me up with Amy Sugarman and
Speaker 1: had their Monday set me up with this really great guy,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to tell you every thing.
Speaker 2: I Kelly have there.
Speaker 3: So first of all, we have to dive in because
Speaker 3: I believe you had a phone date with mister Tennis.
Speaker 3: And if you don't know who mister Tennis is or
Speaker 3: what we're talking about, you definitely need to go back
Speaker 3: and listen to the last episode where we gave all
Speaker 3: the intel on that. But okay, so first of all,
Speaker 3: you had your phone date with mister Tennis. Tell me everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, So miss stro Tennis, we were supposed to talk
Speaker 1: last night. I was working until like eight thirty and
Speaker 1: we were supposed to talk last night. He's in LA
Speaker 1: and I'm in New York and he was like, no problem,
Speaker 1: So hoop number one. I was like, you have a
Speaker 1: certain amount of time to talk to me. No problem,
Speaker 1: he called. I had my phone on silent because I
Speaker 1: was doing a podcast, so my phone on silent, so
Speaker 1: I didn't see his call, and I was like watching
Speaker 1: like some TV show and I looked at my phone
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm just going to text him.
Speaker 1: And it was literally like twelve forty five in the
Speaker 1: morning here, and I'm just like, hi, sorry, I mister,
Speaker 1: your phone call my you know my phone. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just want to let him. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: let him know that I was responding because he had
Speaker 1: made the effort and I wanted him to know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a jerk, and so like I'm going
Speaker 1: to just respond and be like, hey, sorry, my phone
Speaker 1: was literally on silent, but I'm up, so if you
Speaker 1: want to talk. And then I was like talk question mark.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like I just got to call him.
Speaker 1: So I called him left to have a.
Speaker 2: Message, so then he didn't answer.
Speaker 1: He didn't answer. But this is something I never ever ever.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not a phone person. I'm a
Speaker 1: texting person, so you know, this is like so out
Speaker 1: of my wheelhouse. But I was just like it's fine.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, let's talk tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, go back did you leave him a
Speaker 2: message when you called him on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I said, let's speak tomorrow morning because I
Speaker 1: have to leave for to go skiing at eleven you
Speaker 1: know New York times, And so he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll call you at seven thirty LA time. I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: Like it's the holiday week, it's a big week for people.
Speaker 1: Most people are off, and I just thought it was
Speaker 1: really great that he was just like hoop one, number one,
Speaker 1: hoop number two, like didn't care, like it's just like
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 3: I also really liked the pace of communication. Right, he's
Speaker 3: not leaving you on red, he's not not returning you
Speaker 3: know all those kind of tropes that people think that
Speaker 3: you have to do in the dating scene. You have
Speaker 3: to wait three days to call somebody back, or wait
Speaker 3: two hours before you respond to a text. He's not
Speaker 3: doing any of that, you know what I mean? Which
Speaker 3: I love. I love this, So way to go, mister Tennis. Okay,
Speaker 3: so tell me then what happens.
Speaker 1: So we start to talk, and he's very you can
Speaker 1: tell immediately he's a very educated human just by the
Speaker 1: way he talks, how he talks the subject matter.
Speaker 2: What did you think of his voice.
Speaker 3: When you heard his voice on the other end of
Speaker 3: that call, Was it like deep and sexy? Was it like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what did he sound like?
Speaker 1: You can tell that he talks a lot on the phone.
Speaker 1: He's got a great like game on the phone. Okay, charismatic,
Speaker 1: very easy on the phone. Again, like I'm a Texter,
Speaker 1: Like I can text you and till you're blue in
Speaker 1: the face, but to talk to me on the phone,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Okay, I like it for
Speaker 1: some reason, you know, because he was vetted by you
Speaker 1: and Amy. I just feel like I just want to
Speaker 1: be open with him too, and so this is something
Speaker 1: I would never do. But he I was just like,
Speaker 1: I need you to know who I am from my
Speaker 1: mouth so that we can just like have fun. And
Speaker 1: he was like, okay. It was like, shoot, tell me whatever.
Speaker 1: And so I told him about you know, not getting
Speaker 1: married and why and you know, not that I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, money hungry. I just was protecting my kids.
Speaker 1: And so we had a really really nice conversation about
Speaker 1: all of that, and we talked about his kids, and
Speaker 1: we talked about his ex wife. We talked about where
Speaker 1: he grew up, and you know, his parents have been
Speaker 1: together for my parents were together, so we had a
Speaker 1: lot of like common upbringing, which I think means a
Speaker 1: lot to people. You know, He's like, I'm I like
Speaker 1: to play tennis, I'm an athlete. I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: athletic tendencies. But I wouldn't say I'm like an athlete.
Speaker 1: I just am like, you know, I like to go
Speaker 1: for a run. That doesn't mean I'm, like, you know,
Speaker 1: an all star athlete. But he's just got a lot
Speaker 1: of the similar we have, like a similar upbringing, which
Speaker 1: really makes things like it was just very easy to
Speaker 1: communicate with him. I thought I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: I had known for a long time.
Speaker 3: Okay, was there flirting happening on the phone.
Speaker 1: It was like I wouldn't say I was like a flirting,
Speaker 1: but I was like doing things I wouldn't normally do,
Speaker 1: Like I made a coffee and I was just talking
Speaker 1: to him like I was. I wasn't sitting down. And
Speaker 1: then I got my picked my dogs up, but I
Speaker 1: took them to the walked them to the dog park.
Speaker 1: We're outside, and I was just like it was like
Speaker 1: a real life conversation, which normally again like if I'm
Speaker 1: if anyone is taking me on a date or trying
Speaker 1: to talk to me, I'm usually really really buttoned up
Speaker 1: because I'm like they have all these preconceived notions. They
Speaker 1: think I'm crazy, they think I'm this They like, you know,
Speaker 1: why isn't she be married after all this time? What's
Speaker 1: wrong with her? So like I just like self sabotage myself,
Speaker 1: like crazy, and so I just don't say anything, which
Speaker 1: makes a lot of guys think that I'm like you know,
Speaker 1: they're like they're get they get mixed messages because I'm friendly,
Speaker 1: but then I'm super reserved. So they're like you are
Speaker 1: like you have so many you know, barriers and boundaries.
Speaker 2: Was he flirting with you?
Speaker 1: I think he was just trying to like get a
Speaker 1: sense of like who I am, what I what my
Speaker 1: what my possibilities are, Like I mean, obviously he lives
Speaker 1: in California. Obviously I live in New York, so like
Speaker 1: what does that look like? I think he was just
Speaker 1: like Okay, he was like, you're a real You're a
Speaker 1: cool chick. He's like, and I don't mean that, Like
Speaker 1: he's like, you're just like really cool, easy and fun,
Speaker 1: and like I'm like, I'm just I'm just ready for
Speaker 1: my next chapter, like really ready, and I know people
Speaker 1: are like my second chapter is going to be like this.
Speaker 1: I don't have any preconceived notions of like what that
Speaker 1: looks like. I just know that I don't I want
Speaker 1: to be in an environmenthere I can trust someone and
Speaker 1: I can just like feel good about feeling good. Like
Speaker 1: that's my whole twenty twenty five forward thinking.
Speaker 3: So tell me, like, did you guys make plans for
Speaker 3: your first date in real life?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, he says to me, very sweet. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, I know you're talking about me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I'm talking about you because I
Speaker 1: want the world to know. First of all, one reason
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about this in real time is because
Speaker 1: I want the world to know that there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with being vulnerable, and there's nothing wrong with taking a risk,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with doing something you might necessarily
Speaker 1: think that's not the right thing for you because it
Speaker 1: doesn't check all those boxes that everyone's checking. And so
Speaker 1: I don't need to check a box. I just want
Speaker 1: to enjoy my life. I've raised my kids on my own,
Speaker 1: I've like gotten more degrees and licenses than I know
Speaker 1: what to do with I. You know, I have this
Speaker 1: like laundry list of like all of these accolades, but
Speaker 1: I don't have trust. So what am I going to do? Like,
Speaker 1: am I going to lay in my casket with like
Speaker 1: my real estate licenses? Or am I going to be
Speaker 1: smiling and happy?
Speaker 2: I vote for smiling and happy, me too, thank you.
Speaker 2: And also in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five, right, it's about, like you said, doing
Speaker 3: things that you know, maybe you normally wouldn't do. Maybe
Speaker 3: you normally wouldn't dat a guy that's on the other
Speaker 3: side of the country, but maybe we just need to
Speaker 3: switch it up a bit, you know, and try something new.
Speaker 3: And it's not like he never comes to New York.
Speaker 3: He has not only reason now, but he also works there.
Speaker 3: So it kind of makes sense in you know, an
Speaker 3: interesting way. I think that there's a lot here. So wait,
Speaker 3: so go back, tell me about what's the plan for
Speaker 3: the first date.
Speaker 1: So he's like, we're definitely doing something in the new year.
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, your offices are at
Speaker 1: iHeart and my offices are right around the corner. And
Speaker 1: he also works with someone in it. He works in
Speaker 1: the entertainment space and so and one of my really
Speaker 1: close friends when I went to college with does something similar.
Speaker 1: So he understands like my life and he understands too,
Speaker 1: you know when you're like when I tell people that
Speaker 1: I started modeling when I was fifteen, they're like, oh wow.
Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, no no no wow. Like no,
Speaker 1: like teaching yourself Latin at fifteen, because you're like traveling
Speaker 1: to Mauritius with you know, by yourself. Like that's not
Speaker 1: a wow, that's a okay, Like that was your path.
Speaker 1: That's like when you had like someone that was like
Speaker 1: on television when they were younger, It's like that's part
Speaker 1: of their narrative. It's not a wow, it's like a oh, well,
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity and some people do things with
Speaker 1: it and some people don't. And he really kind of
Speaker 1: understood that it's been really challenging for me to continue
Speaker 1: to pivot to provide for my kids. And he was
Speaker 1: very like, very very very sweet and very understanding.
Speaker 3: What would you say was like your favorite part of
Speaker 3: the conversation? Like what are you taking away from Like that?
Speaker 3: Was there a moment?
Speaker 2: Was there? Did he make you laugh?
Speaker 3: Was there a story he told you about himself that
Speaker 3: you were like, I think this is why I want
Speaker 3: to talk or get to know mister Tennis a little
Speaker 3: bit more.
Speaker 1: I want to go get to know mister Tennis a
Speaker 1: little bit more because he spoke about when his kids
Speaker 1: were young and he got divorced and instead of moving
Speaker 1: into like, you know, an equally big house, he moved
Speaker 1: into a smaller apartment and he was with his kids
Speaker 1: in this environment that was a far away from you know,
Speaker 1: where his ex wife was, because he wanted his children
Speaker 1: to have their home. And to this day he's like
Speaker 1: his two kids are like, oh my god, remember when
Speaker 1: we lived there, and how much fun that was. And
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the fact that he got divorced and
Speaker 1: made a concerted effort to ensure like the genuine wellness
Speaker 1: of his children by like having a small environment so
Speaker 1: that everyone was together and it was like a big hug.
Speaker 1: And I know what that feels like because I'm in
Speaker 1: that hug space right now with my little apartment. I
Speaker 1: love being here. I mean, I just love it. And
Speaker 1: so it was just really just felt good, just felt
Speaker 1: good to hear that from men. And it wasn't like
Speaker 1: I'm a single parent and I do everything my ex
Speaker 1: one wife was not that. It was all about how
Speaker 1: he could make his children feel safe.
Speaker 3: And what do you think about dating a guy long
Speaker 3: distance that also has kids that are maybe not as
Speaker 3: old as your kids, Like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: So I always wanted like a farm of children. I
Speaker 1: love love kids, And that's one of my biggest regrets
Speaker 1: is that I didn't have more kids. And I know
Speaker 1: my two girls would be like mom, but I really
Speaker 1: I love children. I just really appreciate them, their minds
Speaker 1: and just like I just love children so much, and
Speaker 1: so I wish that I had had more. I just
Speaker 1: wasn't with the right peaceeople that I was in an
Speaker 1: environment where I could, you know, be what you know,
Speaker 1: make have more children. So I really regret that. So
Speaker 1: that's one thing. And to hear him talk about his
Speaker 1: kids just really made me like very happy. And I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that I'm a Almi bear. That's
Speaker 1: like who I am, Like, yeah, that's my first, that's
Speaker 1: my first. You know, people are like, I'm a multi
Speaker 1: heights in it. I'm like, I guess i am, but
Speaker 1: I'm not really, I'm I'm a bear.
Speaker 2: I think that's great.
Speaker 3: And I love that you guys are connecting on something
Speaker 3: that is so foundational to both of you, right, which
Speaker 3: is being a parent, being an active parent in your kids' lives.
Speaker 3: I think that's really amazing. Tell me, so we're going
Speaker 3: to have our first.
Speaker 2: I R L date in the new year. I love that.
Speaker 3: But between now and then, what's the plan are you do?
Speaker 3: You guys have another phone date set up? I know
Speaker 3: you're about to leave on a ski trip. Like what
Speaker 3: what are you thinking about doing or what's the next step?
Speaker 1: Well, he was just very sweet too, and he was
Speaker 1: like listen, He's like I want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I know you're gonna be in
Speaker 1: Vermont with your kids, but like I'm here and I'd
Speaker 1: love to talk to you and call you and send
Speaker 1: me pictures and you know, it's everything safe with me.
Speaker 1: You can do you know, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, obviously, just like not being weird,
Speaker 1: but he was just like he loved the fact that
Speaker 1: I sent him a little video with Tarzan and I
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Can I make a suggestion for the fun Okay, let's
Speaker 3: think about this. Maybe it's when you're in Vermont maybe
Speaker 3: it's a little uh like opery ski, little wine face
Speaker 3: time or something together. You know, maybe the kids are
Speaker 3: off doing something and Kelly's back at the lodge by herself.
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's like a little I don't know, a
Speaker 3: fond due date FaceTime or a little cooking like maybe
Speaker 3: you're cooking dinner and you have him on FaceTime and
Speaker 3: like he's chatting with you about like your day on
Speaker 3: the slopes or something like. I think it's I don't
Speaker 3: think it's inappropriate now that there's been an initial great
Speaker 3: phone call to then follow that up with like a
Speaker 3: cute little FaceTime mini date prior to the IRL date.
Speaker 1: I love that. It was interesting too, is that he
Speaker 1: was like I know that there's you're probably dating and
Speaker 1: talking to a lot of people, which I was like okay,
Speaker 1: and he was just like I just like hope that
Speaker 1: you like wait for me and like so I can
Speaker 1: meet you, Kelly.
Speaker 2: I am dead.
Speaker 3: That is so excuse me, mister Tennis. Mister Tennis. That
Speaker 3: is such a gentleman line. That is I just asked
Speaker 3: you if there was flirting. That is flirting. It's like
Speaker 3: not like yes, that is like laying it down. That
Speaker 3: is literally like, I understand that you are a high
Speaker 3: value woman, because that is what he's saying by saying
Speaker 3: that there are other men in your aura. Is I
Speaker 3: acknowledge you are a high value woman, and I want
Speaker 3: you to know that I am interested in you. So
Speaker 3: I hope you don't forget about me like a girl.
Speaker 3: I know this is calear communication. There is no gray
Speaker 3: area with this man. Mister Tennis is interested.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I love this, Kelly. You sent the universe.
Speaker 3: You're like, this is what we've talked about, right, like
Speaker 3: using this podcast to put out to the world what
Speaker 3: you want. Right. So the first thing you did was
Speaker 3: you wrote a letter to your dear future husband. And
Speaker 3: now we're watching the ripple effects of that huge moment
Speaker 3: where you put it all out. There is now coming
Speaker 3: back to you.
Speaker 2: This is so exciting.
Speaker 1: When we started, I was very guarded. I was super insecure.
Speaker 1: I was so embarrassed. I was I was embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: was humiliated. I felt like I had, like, you know,
Speaker 1: hurt someone else. I felt like I had harmed my children.
Speaker 1: Like there was just so much It's not like negativity,
Speaker 1: it's just like there was so much. There were so
Speaker 1: many feelings that were so raw and real, and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that anymore. I don't feel like there's hurt.
Speaker 1: I feel like my kids are happy and healthy and
Speaker 1: excited about things. You know, just it just feels good
Speaker 1: to be an environment that's like happy, and you know,
Speaker 1: who knows, who knows if it's going to be mister Tennis,
Speaker 1: But I do know that I'm on the right path
Speaker 1: to meeting that special human.
Speaker 2: You definitely are.
Speaker 3: And what I love about this is that mister Tennis
Speaker 3: is being extremely clear right Like a lot of the
Speaker 3: time I think we hear in dating stories, especially early on,
Speaker 3: it's about like playing games, or it's about like am I.
Speaker 3: We talked about this in the last episode, about like
Speaker 3: am I texting too much? Am I not texting enough?
Speaker 3: And all of that, And he is just being clear
Speaker 3: and concise with all of his communication. He is saying,
Speaker 3: I understand you're busy. I still want to see you.
Speaker 3: I understand that you have a lot going on. I'd
Speaker 3: still like to talk to you. I understand that you
Speaker 3: have maybe other suitors or men pursuing you. I'm interested
Speaker 3: in you. Like he is laying it all out there,
Speaker 3: which I think is really wonderful, and I think like
Speaker 3: this is a really great start to something special. So
Speaker 3: I think all of I speak for all of us
Speaker 3: listeners as well, that we can't wait to hear about
Speaker 3: what the next mister Tennis update is. But definitely keep us,
Speaker 3: you know, informed as to what happens. And you know,
Speaker 3: we would we can't wait to have you go on
Speaker 3: your first IRL date, Like that's going to be really exciting.
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's strange? You know? He said
Speaker 1: to me, Sorry, didn't interrupt you, but he said to
Speaker 1: me too, he was like, normally I wouldn't do this.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't try to make a plan with you. You're
Speaker 1: you know, like to see you fly across the country
Speaker 1: and see you for a certain for you know, for
Speaker 1: an hour or you know. I wouldn't do those things
Speaker 1: if I did, if it weren't if I weren't vetted
Speaker 1: by a friend. And I was like when he said that,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's so true, because he was like,
Speaker 1: if I'd met you on RYE or something like that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people that do, like get on planes and do all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and like that's amazing, And I love that
Speaker 1: sense of adventure, but like, I'm not that kind of person,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm not like I would never do I
Speaker 1: would never get on a plane to meet somewhere.
Speaker 3: We're both doing something out of your comfort zone. But
Speaker 3: I think it goes back to what we were talking
Speaker 3: about in the last episode, right, which is like we
Speaker 3: all need to get out of our comfort zone and
Speaker 3: do things that are a little bit different if we
Speaker 3: want to see different results. And on top of it,
Speaker 3: we're also turning to the core people in our lives,
Speaker 3: right for those kinds of great people. So I think
Speaker 3: a lot of us are getting stuck in this white
Speaker 3: mentality and then being frustrated by you know, those not
Speaker 3: turning out well. But when we go to our actual
Speaker 3: people in our lives who know us and also know
Speaker 3: other great people, that's where really fantastic love connections can happen.
Speaker 3: Or if it's not a love connection, maybe you're just
Speaker 3: starting twenty twenty five off really nice and having your
Speaker 3: faith and men reinstilled, because mister Tennis is being like
Speaker 3: a real gentleman and you thus far haven't had a
Speaker 3: lot of really great gentlemen in your life in recent years,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: In the dating scene.
Speaker 3: So it's nice that he's, if anything, he's reinforcing that
Speaker 3: faith that there are good guys out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I just want to be open
Speaker 1: and follow lead with my heart, like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like And I told him this, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been hiding behind all this work, and
Speaker 1: even Cheryl and I talk about like we're so busy,
Speaker 1: and we're so busy. I'm working, I'm providing la la
Speaker 1: da da. Like the reason that we the reason that
Speaker 1: I say that is because it protects me, because why
Speaker 1: would I want to be open and trust my heart
Speaker 1: with someone when I've had so many times before where
Speaker 1: my heart has been broken.
Speaker 3: So when you were talking to mister Tennis, did your
Speaker 3: connection to Cheryl ever come up in the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I spoke to Cheryl
Speaker 1: yesterday and she told me that you guys went on
Speaker 1: a date. And what he said he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like she's celibate. And I was like, okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but that was, you know, that was a while ago.
Speaker 1: She's you know, she's amazing, she's so great. And he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she is so great and he was
Speaker 1: said so many really really complimentary things about her.
Speaker 2: But he's like, I like you, I love that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, thank you. She's beautiful and amazing. I love Cheryl.
Speaker 1: But he just said that. I said, well, don't worry
Speaker 1: about I said, I said, you know, she did comment
Speaker 1: that you were having a hard time picking a meal.
Speaker 1: I said, don't worry about. I'll hope you picked the meal.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. I'm so excited for you, Kelly.
Speaker 3: You have to definitely keep me and all the listeners
Speaker 3: updated on your journeys tennis.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. Have so much fun. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to hear more.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to just again, like it just feels good
Speaker 1: to feel good, and I want everyone just to feel good.
Speaker 1: I just I just do. I mean, if I could
Speaker 1: give the world a huge hug, I would, so, you know,
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, I think we in the in
Speaker 1: the spirit of love, we need to set each other
Speaker 1: up with me, with people with friends and family, co workers, Facebook, friends, whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, like, hey, you know I know someone he
Speaker 1: just just got divorced, or someone you know might be
Speaker 1: really good for you. You know, let people be the
Speaker 1: matchmaker and you know, match with people that you know,
Speaker 1: because because this world of just being out there, Yeah
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you're gonna be someone that you wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: But I think that that we're missing out on these
Speaker 1: real strong connections because people are just afraid to match
Speaker 1: make and you're not going to lose a friend. Your
Speaker 1: friend's gonna like maybe she needs to work on herself
Speaker 1: because you know, or he needs to work on hisself.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with you. You're just like
Speaker 1: matching and removing and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2: I love it so much fun Kelly, this is great.
Speaker 1: Thanks Heather. I can't wait to clue you guys into
Speaker 1: everything that happens on my journey with mister Tennis, and
Speaker 1: I will definitely keep you updated in real time. So
Speaker 1: if you listeners want any kind of a dating advice,
Speaker 1: call us, email us. All the information is in the
Speaker 1: show notes and I'm just really excited to share all
Speaker 1: of the new information that I've learned. So where I
Speaker 1: do Part two an iHeartRadio podcast, We're falling in Love
Speaker 1: is the main objective.