Speaker 1: Carl would fucking lose his mind and fucking yell at Marcus.
Speaker 2: Fucking slowed down.
Speaker 3: We're not fucking running fifty leave.
Speaker 4: Down, Hey, get the mic clothes bro. Welcome to Busting
Speaker 4: with the Boys. We have an awesome guest on today,
Speaker 4: Max Crosby. Everybody, we finally got the boy to Nashville.
Speaker 4: We finally got the boy in Nashville after after how
Speaker 4: many letdowns are two?
Speaker 2: Three? I think two? Possibly? It was disappointing.
Speaker 4: I'll say I was hurt because I felt like we
Speaker 4: had a nice little friendship going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, uh, you know, a rough time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I had to get right. You know, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I told you I'll be here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Let's h explain your voice because it's obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's all the time. No, I just had a
Speaker 1: little COVID bit so like a month ago, right, a
Speaker 1: month ago. Yeah, it was, uh, it's not all right.
Speaker 1: I was a little congested. I'm still I'm finally getting
Speaker 1: my my voice like back now.
Speaker 4: So oh wait, I haven't done this last couple of times.
Speaker 4: This podcast is presented by Barstool Sports. Shout out the
Speaker 4: boys of Barstool Sports. I always got to say that.
Speaker 4: If not, like, it's just it's a bit of a deal.
Speaker 4: I gotta make them clip in this thing. Oh this
Speaker 4: episode B with the Boys, the voice is brought presented
Speaker 4: by Barstool Sports. If I don't do that, we gotta
Speaker 4: say it. If we don't say it within the first
Speaker 4: couple of minutes, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 4: more of a bit of a deal for bloss back there.
Speaker 4: He gets a little angry with me, which is fair.
Speaker 4: It's meridian, but uh.
Speaker 5: He so COVID you had it last year though in
Speaker 5: training camp, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Technically I had it, but it was kind of my fault.
Speaker 1: So I went, how what do you that first two
Speaker 1: days of camp, feeling good, I'm back in football, finally
Speaker 1: back in the facility.
Speaker 2: Get a call at five point thirty in the morning
Speaker 2: and he's like, you tested positive.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. It's like, how are you feeling? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have symptoms whatever. He's asked me a bunch of questions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, bro, I don't have it.
Speaker 2: I feel good. I was like, I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: stuffed up.
Speaker 1: I have allergies around this time, but like I'm fine,
Speaker 1: He's like he's talking to me whatever. And then he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, technically, since you know you have allergies and
Speaker 1: you're stuffed up, that that's considered a symptoms, so you
Speaker 1: have to sit at home for ten days. This was
Speaker 1: greatest training camp started. So I'm like, I shouldn't even
Speaker 1: have said anything. I was just being honest.
Speaker 5: So yeah, oh so wait, did you test positive for
Speaker 5: it or not?
Speaker 1: I tested positive, but they never retested me and I
Speaker 1: never got sick because this was kind of the first
Speaker 1: wave when all the that was, when it was thing
Speaker 1: was kind of happenings like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was wrong. I got you, yeah, I had.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm got to get naughty with that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know you get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you got a treat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, true to right. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: don't feel weird, there's nothing. Yeah, just grab that thing,
Speaker 4: get a little close to your mouth. But when, uh,
Speaker 4: what game was it? I want to say it was
Speaker 4: it was Green Bay. I Charro was feeling a little
Speaker 4: under the weather, but it was kind of like a
Speaker 4: mild headache and a very low fever. Like I'm talking
Speaker 4: like ninety nine and a half like, nothing serious. And
Speaker 4: I leave the house and she's like, you know, babe,
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to worry you,
Speaker 4: but you know, I feeling like this, I would hate
Speaker 4: for blah blah blah blah blah. So I basically take
Speaker 4: a screenshot and send it to our head guy Todd,
Speaker 4: and he's like, we got to do the whole close
Speaker 4: contact thing with you.
Speaker 2: And so I just just sit there and isolated. I
Speaker 2: had to leave the facility. I had to go home.
Speaker 4: I felt nothing, and I knew in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 4: there's nothing going on with her, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't like she had the symptoms of COVID.
Speaker 2: But you have to play. You got to play. You
Speaker 2: had to play it so safe. This year, it was
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 5: Had to write a separate plane.
Speaker 4: Even on the way back, I was like, I was like, uh, boys,
Speaker 4: we win this game, Like oh wait, no, it's Texans.
Speaker 4: It was a Texas because we did win. That's when
Speaker 4: we won the clinch the division. Because I was pissed.
Speaker 4: I had to isolate in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: I remember that that was when we all were kind
Speaker 1: of under a lot of ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, boys, we clinched the division, like I'm riding back
Speaker 4: with the fellas, Like I'm not riding by myself home.
Speaker 4: But uh, because that you sit there and do retest,
Speaker 4: which it seems like you didn't get the retest in
Speaker 4: training camp.
Speaker 1: No, I literally that was helpless. So you just chilled
Speaker 1: at home for ten days? Yeah, middle of the training camp.
Speaker 2: I came. I came back and it was halfway through
Speaker 2: training camp. Wasn't nice though? Wasn't mad? Was he mad?
Speaker 2: Like after the first couple of days, did you really
Speaker 2: lose there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I didn't really lose like it would have been if
Speaker 4: you had COVID for real. But since you didn't you
Speaker 4: get out of training camp middle of training camp, we
Speaker 4: already had a shortened training camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I mean I wasn't mad necessarily.
Speaker 1: It was just the fact I knew Rod Marinelli was
Speaker 1: gonna kill me when I came back, So that was
Speaker 1: what was lingering.
Speaker 2: In my head.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just city for ten days. I was like,
Speaker 1: I really can't do that much at home. So I'm
Speaker 1: like when I go back, I'm screwed. I'm gonna be dying,
Speaker 1: Like because the first two days, Marionelli was literally trying
Speaker 1: to kill us.
Speaker 5: But you talk about the legend of Marinelli, bro I've heard,
Speaker 5: I've heard stories.
Speaker 2: I love that man. I love him.
Speaker 5: I heard the old school.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's a Vietnam veteran. He's straight from
Speaker 1: the book. Like this dude, he walks up no matter
Speaker 1: where you're at in the building, he just stirs the
Speaker 1: pot at all times.
Speaker 2: He'll come up.
Speaker 1: He just tries to motivate you in so many odd ways.
Speaker 1: But like it helps a ton because he just he
Speaker 1: loves the shit so much and he's been in it
Speaker 1: for so long. It's like you have to respect what
Speaker 1: he says. So like, yeah, matter how off the wall
Speaker 1: some ship, he's just like, I fuck it, Like I'll
Speaker 1: just do it.
Speaker 5: What's the most off the wall ship? You heard that's appropriate.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know if there's anything a lot,
Speaker 1: but this is back to the COVID things, back to COVID.
Speaker 1: So I'm he calls me and he's like, you're fucking
Speaker 1: you need some of my blood.
Speaker 2: My bloods fuckings up with.
Speaker 1: All this ship. I'm like, you're probably not wrong. I
Speaker 1: fucking I would destroy that virus. That's fucking nothing. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't even know what the fuck
Speaker 1: to say. So he's just going on. I'm dying laughing,
Speaker 1: and he's like, he goes, that's what you need to do.
Speaker 1: He goes, go in your backyard. I know you got
Speaker 1: palm trees, you got all that. He does need to
Speaker 1: go in the fucking backyard, doesn't need to work our
Speaker 1: hand drills.
Speaker 2: And he's sending me all this ship. He was dead
Speaker 2: ass serious. He's sending you videos.
Speaker 1: He's sending me the drills, the name of the drills
Speaker 1: that I need to do on a fucking stiff palm tree.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, he's fucking men. And he calls me
Speaker 1: day in the middle meetings in front of Everybody's like Max,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, this is what's on the palm trees.
Speaker 1: This is what I need to do today. This is
Speaker 1: what we went over, blah blah blah. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I need you to send me videos. I'm in a
Speaker 1: fucking I'm in my backyard, no no fucking shirt on,
Speaker 1: smacking doing handrels on a palm tree. And my hands
Speaker 1: were fucking literally had splinters in my hands. And I'm
Speaker 1: sending in the video and he's dead ass series. I
Speaker 1: did it the whole quarantine in my backyard.
Speaker 4: Now was he coaching you through these videos that you
Speaker 4: were sending him, He just like, you know, you gotta
Speaker 4: fucking strike here.
Speaker 1: Knowing him, he probably just fucking dying laughing because he
Speaker 1: just I would just send the videos.
Speaker 2: You go, great, way, that's it. He wouldn't even tell.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even too you know what a legend.
Speaker 1: He's a legend, bro, He's I've never been around someone
Speaker 1: like him.
Speaker 4: I heard heard. I heard he's tough on the on
Speaker 4: the field. Oh yeah, I'm talking like running ship conditioned.
Speaker 2: It's called edds Our everyday drills.
Speaker 1: We do him every single day and started training camp
Speaker 1: to the end of the season week seventeen, we're fucking
Speaker 1: first ten minutes, we're going like, yeah, flying through bags,
Speaker 1: get off, different from last year, change direction. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: a way, like Coach Buck was pretty tough on us too.
Speaker 1: But I feel like as the season went on, like
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of took the foot off the
Speaker 1: gas er and practice a little bit. But man Nell,
Speaker 1: he was just like he took care of us, so
Speaker 1: he didn't try to right necessarily kill us. But like
Speaker 1: that first ten minutes, we're fucking, we're getting you're working, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're ready to go. Yeah, right off the bath.
Speaker 1: So that's that's hilarious. Yeah, he's the next level.
Speaker 5: How Uh, let's talk about the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Because the boys had it up and down year again. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys started off solid, similar to the year before.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was six and three. Huge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: huge win over the Chiefs too. And then it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the back half.
Speaker 2: Every time.
Speaker 5: Here, Hang on a second, my age is calling me, Neil, what's.
Speaker 2: Up, little content superstar? What's up? Boss? Just wanted to see.
Speaker 1: What you thought of TJ.
Speaker 2: Hockinson and how that Boston radio interview went.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually uh about to interview Max Crosby, but TJ.
Speaker 4: Hockinson was phenomenal. I didn't ask the question. I didn't
Speaker 4: ask the would you cat your dig off for a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: I'm glad, thank god. I know I told people you're coachable.
Speaker 2: Uill beus Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he he was awesome. Were we're gonna have
Speaker 5: him on again?
Speaker 2: Good? So you're glad. I can't up on that. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 2: And Max Crosby is the kicker.
Speaker 5: No, no, he's a d N for the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Mason. You're thinking a Mason h okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm about to interview him, so I gotta
Speaker 4: get off, all right, I'll see you.
Speaker 2: So I're like, oh, yeah, fuck that kid, all about
Speaker 2: that guy? Fucking ale Hey.
Speaker 4: When he goes Max Crossby, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: I hope you don't say.
Speaker 2: Some shit about what I'm saying. I was just ready.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, were what is he about to say?
Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Rob Marinelli and he told
Speaker 4: me that Meg is a fucking cow. Yeah yeah, Palm
Speaker 4: Tree game is weak, but talk about the ebbs and
Speaker 4: blows of the season.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of our time when we
Speaker 1: when you were there my rookie year, it was more promising,
Speaker 1: even you know, that was the fucking the hardest part
Speaker 1: about it was worth.
Speaker 2: Six and three.
Speaker 1: We've beaten the Chiefs, we've beaten the Saints, we beat
Speaker 1: the fucking Browns. We're beaten all top tier teams. So
Speaker 1: just our confidence level was like we couldn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 1: like we just fell in, practiced our confidence. It almost
Speaker 1: got to a point where like we were too fucking
Speaker 1: like we're like, oh, we got this ship. So it
Speaker 1: almost felt like and you could see it, like people started,
Speaker 1: you know, workouts, people are doing the same, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the same. Do you feel like guy's got more
Speaker 1: loose about it? Yeah, I feel I feel like so
Speaker 1: in in a way. And that's something we talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, after the season. It is like staying locked
Speaker 1: in from second you get in the training camp to
Speaker 1: the week seventeen, we're fucking dialed.
Speaker 2: And that's something that bothered me.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's it's tough, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it's tough, but you know, we have a ton
Speaker 1: of potential and if we're playing as a team and
Speaker 1: at our best, can beat anyone.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I think it.
Speaker 4: I mean every team who's like playing well, they do
Speaker 4: feel theirself a little bit like I mean, everybody kind
Speaker 4: of goes through it a little bit. Yeah, because like rape,
Speaker 4: he always does such a good job, like when we win,
Speaker 4: Like when we're winning, you almost sit there and you're like, yo,
Speaker 4: do you even feel like we won? Because he's so
Speaker 4: like wants to humble you, wants to humble you about it,
Speaker 4: like stay the course, like stay, keep your blinders and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, and you'll leave a meeting like does
Speaker 4: he know, Like we're like we're winning. But that's like
Speaker 4: that's the athlete in us, Like that's like you know,
Speaker 4: as the coaching in them to where they're trying to
Speaker 4: keep you levelheaded about it. But you know, messing with
Speaker 4: all every different type of person in the locker room.
Speaker 5: It's always it's always a little different, it is.
Speaker 1: And that's like I can see both sides, like and
Speaker 1: I get it. Being a coach, you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't want these fucking guys think they're you know, they've
Speaker 1: they've made it now, right because they whatever had a
Speaker 1: couple of good games.
Speaker 2: You won a couple of games, Like I get it.
Speaker 2: But as a.
Speaker 1: Player you're like, okay, like you feel good and like
Speaker 1: me personally, like I really care about every single game,
Speaker 1: like my individual performance. I know if I'm at my best,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help my team win, Like I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: my team a better chance to win. So like I
Speaker 1: try to be as diued as I possibly can. And
Speaker 1: you can fall into that. The media, there's so much
Speaker 1: different shit going on. It's like you can fall into
Speaker 1: that trap. But you know that's why I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, just as a team, we got to be
Speaker 1: locked in and like I feel like Gruden does a
Speaker 1: great job.
Speaker 2: Like he you know how Gruden is.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's just stuck on at twenty four to seven
Speaker 1: in the offseason, Like I'm there rehabbing every day. Now
Speaker 1: he's fucking he pulls me in. I'll be in the
Speaker 1: in the training room yesterday. It's like, Manx, come up here.
Speaker 1: I want you to fucking watch a little bit of
Speaker 1: film and they I got, I got some guys I
Speaker 1: want you to see, like little ship like that. Like
Speaker 1: he's locked in fucking all year round. So as a team,
Speaker 1: it's tough. There's so many personalities and there's so much
Speaker 1: shit going on that Like it's a tough job to
Speaker 1: really win at and fucking win a super Bowl. Bro,
Speaker 1: everyone's got to be fucking on the same page. Oh yeah, everyone,
Speaker 1: It's it's different.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 4: Like Tampa Bay won and they weren't even the best
Speaker 4: in their division coming going into the playoffs, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, they were zero.
Speaker 2: And to against the Saints.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got blown out, like they got blown out
Speaker 1: by the Chiefs. Tyreek Hill had like two fifty against him.
Speaker 1: He come, he goes in the Super Bowl, he didn't
Speaker 1: have he had like seventy yards. But it was like
Speaker 1: towards the right game.
Speaker 2: But r Bro, they I don't know what they do
Speaker 2: or what they did. But like, isn't.
Speaker 4: Dialed in at Isn't it insane? Like just Tom Brady
Speaker 4: just still doing it? And he just signed, like he
Speaker 4: just signed again. He just signed the day.
Speaker 1: God, it's unreal, bro, it really is unreal. This Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my bad, Yeah I got you. Yeah, as we get
Speaker 1: to edit, so no, you're good. But yeah, no, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable tom Brady, Like this is ship he's done
Speaker 1: is It's unbelievable. And I just get to play against him.
Speaker 1: He's the only guy I've been like like, that's fucking
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Yeah, like bro Field, Like before the game,
Speaker 1: I'm usually I try to get out there before everyone
Speaker 1: kind of just do my little stroll and my you know,
Speaker 1: my pregame little outfit.
Speaker 2: I fucking walk out.
Speaker 1: I'm in the opposite end zone in Vegas, in Vegas,
Speaker 1: and I fucking I see Brady walk out of the
Speaker 1: tunnel by himself. He's like around the fifty yard line.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's fucking wild, Like I kind of look
Speaker 1: you want to say, like some top what up? But yeah,
Speaker 1: like after the game, like they fucking they smacked us,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a tough game. But like
Speaker 1: getting to talk to him after the game, I like
Speaker 1: I looked at him. I looked like I was looking
Speaker 1: at a guy. Yeah it's different, bro, Like I see
Speaker 1: my homes and I Drew Breeze and those guys like
Speaker 1: no disrespect to him, the fucking great players like something.
Speaker 1: It was just different, bro, it was like not a human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was different. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4: We played against the Patriots. When I was watching and
Speaker 4: he pointed, He's like Jack's fifty one. I'm thinking, oh shit,
Speaker 4: that's me. Yeah, you know, like yeah, like I get
Speaker 4: you get mics like every game. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: but like what's coming out is not oh shit, that's
Speaker 4: Tom Brady. He's fucking yeah, he's talking about me.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's different, bro. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: is with him, but he's just he's on disputed go.
Speaker 1: It's like being a basketball player. And you're going against Jordan,
Speaker 1: they're getting to meet him. It's like yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: the few to go play the game. It's a football
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, there's like all arguments. What do you
Speaker 1: think about the arguments when people are making he the greatest?
Speaker 1: Is he have the greatest resume of all time.
Speaker 2: As far as like like if you're.
Speaker 4: If you're measuring him up to like the goats of
Speaker 4: the other sports, like Jordans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you look at it. The first thing everyone
Speaker 1: says is your rings? How many rings you have? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just passed Jordan's, so he's got seven. But the
Speaker 1: only thing with Brady that just makes it weird. It's
Speaker 1: like he's he's the greatest athlete of all time. That's
Speaker 1: what people say. He's an athletics that white dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just like fuck.
Speaker 6: Like he's it's hard to say, Yeah, he's the greatest
Speaker 6: athlete of all time and he.
Speaker 1: Couldn't outrun my dog. Yeah right, he's a meeta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's why it's just weird. Like that's why I
Speaker 1: think I guess a little tricky, Like you can't really
Speaker 1: cross sports.
Speaker 2: It's hard, it's too hard.
Speaker 4: He's like he gets real tricky, But what's impressive about
Speaker 4: it is he's won more championship Jordan in this in
Speaker 4: the team game that is football. Yeah, because football is
Speaker 4: like the most like you were saying it earlier, like
Speaker 4: you need everybody.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how well you start.
Speaker 4: It's like you got to hit the stride going into
Speaker 4: playoffs and you have to be on your ship because
Speaker 4: there's only one game.
Speaker 2: There's no best of seven.
Speaker 4: You get one weekend between every game, like you're prepping
Speaker 4: for that one game.
Speaker 2: And it's just different, Like.
Speaker 4: You have fifty three guys on a roster and you're
Speaker 4: trying to get everybody drinking the same kool aid to
Speaker 4: go after and win a Super Bowl when anything can
Speaker 4: happen too. It's not like somebody can just take over. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean Tom can, but you know you need everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a receiver to run the right route
Speaker 2: and needs to catch it. He's got it. There's so
Speaker 2: much to it. But when you look at him, you
Speaker 2: don't win.
Speaker 1: Fucking seven super Bowls by coincidence. Yeah, that just doesn't
Speaker 1: happen by accident. Like he's it's his aura. I just
Speaker 1: feel like that's what it is about him. Like the team,
Speaker 1: Like when he came to the Buccaneers, they basically have
Speaker 1: the same roster, Like why is he at the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: there's seven to nine and like they're like, shit, Jamie
Speaker 1: super five thousand yards. Like, Bro, Brady came in and
Speaker 1: changed everything. They all bought in on Brady basically, right,
Speaker 1: you come in you have a guy that's that highly respected.
Speaker 1: It's that's it makes a difference. Bro, He's just yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when he's your quarterback running the show. It's like
Speaker 1: you don't want to disappoint him almost, That's what I
Speaker 1: feel like, Like, yeah, four Nette was on his shit
Speaker 1: like everybody was just clicking.
Speaker 4: It's got to be different too, Like when you're one
Speaker 4: of the players, Yeah and Tom's on your team. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he you speaks on basically anything, You're just like, oh,
Speaker 4: that is that is fact. Whatever he's saying, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, how do you how do you
Speaker 4: think any differently?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and debate him about like
Speaker 2: argue like you're just like it's time like you yeah,
Speaker 2: like we got to pick our shit up. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: got to pick our up.
Speaker 1: He knows how it looks, he knows how it's supposed
Speaker 1: to look in practice. He's yeah, it's just powerful, It
Speaker 1: really is, especially in football, there's too many moving pieces.
Speaker 2: Like you have a guy like that, It's makes it easier,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 4: Year one to year two, What are some of your
Speaker 4: biggest what are the biggest differences going from year one
Speaker 4: to year two? What you learn because you were you're
Speaker 4: not a rookie anymore. Yeah, yeah, it was especially coming
Speaker 4: off the rookie year you had. You had what ten sacks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten sacks? I mean you were the big dog
Speaker 1: on campus. Yeah, a little bit, but it was. It
Speaker 1: was awesome. Like my whole experience from year one to
Speaker 1: year two are completely different. And like for me, I
Speaker 1: knew coming in, I'm a fourth round pick. I went
Speaker 1: to Eastern Michigan trash cool. Yeah, okay, relax, well you
Speaker 1: do beat Nebraska.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's take it easy.
Speaker 2: I'm serious. But anyway, we just going into that year.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm coming from Eastern. I have a fourth round guy,
Speaker 1: I have no expectations. Like just for me, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just come in. I got to just prove
Speaker 1: every single day that I've deserve to be on the team.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't even guaranteed the spot, like that was
Speaker 1: a third string DM slotted in going into camp.
Speaker 4: And y'all, y'all drafted, y'all drafted top five, same spot exactly.
Speaker 1: So it was like, okay, Like I knew you would
Speaker 1: have a lot more pressure than me. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's like if I just come in, do my thing
Speaker 1: every day, do what I've done all the college, come in,
Speaker 1: I'll work people and just make plays.
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta do.
Speaker 1: And for me, my mindset never changed and it was
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, I just had an opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's what it basically came down to. And you know,
Speaker 1: I got my opportunity and everything, you know, panned out well.
Speaker 1: But going into my second year, it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: now it's flipped like now, okay, boom, you had ten
Speaker 1: sacks of a rookie. Now everyone knows who you are.
Speaker 1: You're getting expectation, more expectations.
Speaker 2: You know. It's just a lot that goes with it.
Speaker 1: And for me, like I didn't go to a big school,
Speaker 1: so there's no social media outlet, it's like talking.
Speaker 2: About you all the time. It was just a little
Speaker 2: bit different. So like Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Eastern Michigan where yeah, in the middle of Ipsila.
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Speaker 1: Boys and it was just yeah, it was it was
Speaker 1: a tough year mentally for me. I would say, you know,
Speaker 1: early on, just trying to you know, battle, trying to
Speaker 1: meet expectations and deal with a lot of shit I
Speaker 1: had going on. So yeah, for just mentally was the
Speaker 1: hardest thing for me.
Speaker 2: But what was the hardest part mentally? Shit? Well, like
Speaker 2: when you're sitting here.
Speaker 4: Talking about like what's what's flashing in your head, like
Speaker 4: what are the things that were the hardest mentally?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, for me, coming off my rookie year, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking it felt like nothing could go wrong for me,
Speaker 1: and just like I got lost in the sauce a
Speaker 1: little bit. And for me, I've always you know, been
Speaker 1: a person who loves the fucking party and I like
Speaker 1: to I was that kind.
Speaker 2: Of guy in college and growing up.
Speaker 1: So for me, shit, I always kind of it was
Speaker 1: kind of an issue for me, but I just was
Speaker 1: able to get through and shit like that. But once
Speaker 1: you know, you have your first NFL off season, you
Speaker 1: have four months off completely yeah, no rules, you know,
Speaker 1: no class you gotta be at. For me, I just
Speaker 1: you know, I was lost in a way.
Speaker 4: Oh so you're you're saying like you started to get
Speaker 4: after it and get in the deep end with when
Speaker 4: it comes to getting lost in the sauce parties.
Speaker 1: I was just partying, and you know, I just I
Speaker 1: was drinking way too much and got to a point
Speaker 1: where I was like, Okay, what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 1: I woke up one morning, I'm like, I need help,
Speaker 1: Like I can't even. I was at a point where
Speaker 1: it was just it was I didn't I had no
Speaker 1: management in my life. I was fucking all over the place.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I went and got out. What happened that
Speaker 1: made you realize, like, oh, this is fucking bro. I
Speaker 1: was just I was lost. I was lost just mentally.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was so just my decision making and my fucking
Speaker 1: my priorities were so backwards that it was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? Like I just had a great
Speaker 1: rookie year. I fucking I have money to take care
Speaker 1: of myself. I have a beautiful house now in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Like from the outside, everything looked.
Speaker 4: Like you got it together, like figured.
Speaker 1: It out, if it's got life under control. But incidebro,
Speaker 1: I was fucking I was dying. Bro.
Speaker 2: I was lost.
Speaker 1: I was going through so much ship just dealing with
Speaker 1: you know, different just distractions and shit going on, and
Speaker 1: I was fucking just lost. So for me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I need help. I call my agent. I fucking like,
Speaker 1: what month?
Speaker 2: Year? This is a day? Ago is a year.
Speaker 1: I'm a year sober, So yeah, yesterday, Hey, let's fucking
Speaker 1: go man. Yeah. So uh yeah it was. It was
Speaker 1: big time. So for me, I'm I'm doing great. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking in the building every day, training my ass off,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm working the program.
Speaker 2: Doing everything I need to do.
Speaker 1: So like, just for me, I need I needed to
Speaker 1: get everything reeled in, and I knew I needed help.
Speaker 2: I wasn't at first.
Speaker 1: It's the hardest thing is just walking in the door
Speaker 1: accepting that you got a problem.
Speaker 2: And for me, that's the hardest thing. And you see
Speaker 2: people struggle with it.
Speaker 1: They go to fucking rehab eight times and they still
Speaker 1: can't you know, they can't deal with it.
Speaker 2: There's so much going on.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was just like, literally, this is
Speaker 1: what I need to do. I got sold, everything is
Speaker 1: going this way, but this is off the field. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking just diving off a cliff. So I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I fucking I talked to my team, I talked to
Speaker 1: my family, my friends, my girl. Fucking it was the
Speaker 1: hardest thing I ever had.
Speaker 2: To do every day and go to go to La
Speaker 2: get all my I just I had to go get right.
Speaker 2: So you went to rehab in March.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, bro, I was out there till yeah, March.
Speaker 1: I left April eleventh. I was there for thirty days,
Speaker 1: fucking in Hollywood and it was crazy, Bro. They fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to I had to get my shit together.
Speaker 1: But it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: I knew life now a year later, I can't even
Speaker 1: tell you. Just like for me, it's like I never
Speaker 1: was grew up religious and shit like that. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was I didn't know what it was, just like
Speaker 1: me figuring it out. And my family were all we're
Speaker 1: all in sports, and we just kind of figured out
Speaker 1: what we did and found our way. And for me,
Speaker 1: I was just lost, bro, and I needed to get
Speaker 1: back on track. And for me, I knew this is
Speaker 1: the one thing that's always been a crutch, like even
Speaker 1: in college, like I gotta I got a duy in college,
Speaker 1: I got in trouble. I tried to get sober, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't working any program. I was just fucking my coach.
Speaker 2: You know, he's more so just liear.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, I'm gonna switch it up, and yeah, well.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even that.
Speaker 1: It was like boom, I got in trouble and I
Speaker 1: got a duy. I'm like this, I'm going into my
Speaker 1: last year. I'm like, listen, coach, I can't be out
Speaker 1: two games. Like my second game, we're playing Purdue. It's
Speaker 1: a big ten game for Eastern. Like that's huge.
Speaker 2: I know it all out. I need to be on
Speaker 2: the field. This is like huge.
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to the going to the
Speaker 1: league that year, So I was like, coach, I'll fucking
Speaker 1: do anything, like you got to get me. I'll fucking
Speaker 1: I'll do community service, do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 1: So he's like, give me a couple of weeks. He
Speaker 1: had a plan for me and whatever. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: in AA, I wasn't working, you weren't actually fixing, white
Speaker 1: knuckling and road trying to just I was just staying sober.
Speaker 1: I will still go to parties and be in that
Speaker 1: environment sobers the motherfucker miserable And now like I can
Speaker 1: my girl can have wine and do her thing whatever.
Speaker 1: But like it's completely different. I'm working a program I
Speaker 1: have built in you know, fucking it's just a whole
Speaker 1: program that I really you gotta unfold everything that you've
Speaker 1: been through and going through it.
Speaker 2: And I know you have Waller on here and Bro.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you listened to that of course,
Speaker 5: of course.
Speaker 1: And Waller's me and Waller where we work with the
Speaker 1: same people and we're fucking this my guy, like Bro,
Speaker 1: that's awesome a ton. So it's it's awesome and it's
Speaker 1: literally a day by day thing. But it's like my
Speaker 1: life now off the field is going that way now
Speaker 1: instead of fucking that way. So football is football. I
Speaker 1: love football everything. I put everything into it. But if
Speaker 1: I don't have the off the field shit right and
Speaker 1: do that, I'm not gonna be to where I want
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, like I fucking I want to be a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. And people think probably right now, they're
Speaker 1: probably like, damn, he's fucking arrogant.
Speaker 2: Whatever, that's how I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And nobody thought I would fucking go and have
Speaker 1: ten sacks of rookie.
Speaker 2: No one thought I'd get drafted.
Speaker 1: I left school a year early at Eastern and everybody
Speaker 1: told me, I'm fucking nuts, don't leave, You're gonna fucking
Speaker 1: go undrafted. But I said, no, I'm ready, and I
Speaker 1: fucking just better myself, went to the combine, did my thing.
Speaker 1: I've always better on myself. That's how I do things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, this is another thing. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is another path. I had, something I had to
Speaker 1: figure out, and I've been fucking doing everything I can
Speaker 1: to to do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm a year sober.
Speaker 1: I can't like at the time last year, if you
Speaker 1: told me I'll be year sober today, fucking on the
Speaker 1: bus with you, I'll be like, it's fucking.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, well it makes sense why like
Speaker 4: not that you're flaking And now I feel bad that
Speaker 4: I'm giving you shit for flaking because you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and you're like, you never use you never
Speaker 4: know what people are going through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you never know, you really know, no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not a lot of people knew.
Speaker 5: Because we're trying to navigate through the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: We can't remember, like we're trying to oh you know,
Speaker 4: I got deals, Like, yeah, I was I was doing
Speaker 4: that feeling man like feeling yourself finding like the funnest opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to have as much fun as I could.
Speaker 1: But I was just lost, Like I was not happy
Speaker 1: deep down. It was fun in the moment, but I
Speaker 1: was just it got worse and worse, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I could fucking do everything I've accomplished so far
Speaker 1: in my life, I can this. I'm a fucking attack
Speaker 1: this shit just the same way as I do everything.
Speaker 1: And that's what I've done. And it's been awesome, bro,
Speaker 1: Like I've fucking I've met so many, so many people.
Speaker 1: I've been in rooms I never thought I would be in,
Speaker 1: just like it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: But is this stuff you were dealing with in the season?
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, Bro, I was. I was doing doing
Speaker 1: the whole deal. But I like, Bro, I was there
Speaker 1: was a couple of times that showed up, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like I'm asking because you're like, you went thirty years
Speaker 4: into the rehab and then like, what's thirty days?
Speaker 5: Not thirty years, not thirty days.
Speaker 4: But like but say yeah, and then you're talking, You're
Speaker 4: talking about you know, you were you were still in
Speaker 4: it in the season, Like what's the process that goes
Speaker 4: on after the thirty day thing. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're a d wall and you said you
Speaker 4: meet people and talk about like what's the process that
Speaker 4: you're continuing to work as you're going into the season
Speaker 4: and also in season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like I said, I got out April eleventh.
Speaker 1: Then after that, I was like, okay, like Mai rehab,
Speaker 1: Like this is like crazy to me. I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: you nervous? Yeah, fuck yeah a little bit because I
Speaker 1: just I didn't know it, like the thirty days I
Speaker 1: had that. It's not like you just think you hear
Speaker 1: the word rehab and ityone's like oh fuck, like what
Speaker 1: like you're crazy?
Speaker 2: Like people look at you like you're crazy.
Speaker 1: Before me, it's like I'm comfortable with my skin, so
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, Like I'm doing what I
Speaker 1: need to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so absolutely whatever.
Speaker 1: At first, I was a little freaked out, and once
Speaker 1: I got out, I was like, Okay, I did my
Speaker 1: re I did my thirty days. Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: just go home and build my girl and the dogs
Speaker 1: and do thing I mean in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I but it was in Vegas. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like you're going to Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like our you know, our front office people,
Speaker 1: and like all the people I was working with, like
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, next now you're gonna go to sober living.
Speaker 2: So it's basically like in a way, it's.
Speaker 1: Like getting out of jail and going to a halfway
Speaker 1: house like so as I was like I got out
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, I had to go fucking to
Speaker 1: another place and do this. And I was like whatever,
Speaker 1: I called my agent the first time, I'm like, fuck this, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure home Like fuck that, like the first like
Speaker 1: I did it, Man, I did it.
Speaker 2: I fucking did it. I need to go home.
Speaker 1: But I was at the end of the day I
Speaker 1: made it was the best decision I ever made, was
Speaker 1: staying there.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I was in La all the way up into the
Speaker 1: training camp. Week before training camp. I ended up staying
Speaker 1: all the way April all the way to August, and
Speaker 1: it was amazing.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I found a trainer out there, and I was it's
Speaker 1: basically sober living here in a house like eight guys
Speaker 1: and everybody it's the same shit. You reab whatever. Then
Speaker 1: you go to sober living and everybody they got. You
Speaker 1: go like a weight room outside and everyone like they're lifting,
Speaker 1: people are lifting and shit, and and you just chill,
Speaker 1: like you do your meetings and shit like once a
Speaker 1: couple times a week, and you.
Speaker 2: Do like your stuff that you're supposed to do. But
Speaker 2: it's basically just chilling.
Speaker 1: Like it was a nice house and in California, and
Speaker 1: like we just all hung out, like we became boys.
Speaker 1: And at first I was so against it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck this bro, Like get me out of here. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be with them. I'm trying to go home.
Speaker 1: And you know, it took a while. I was kind
Speaker 1: of just like in my own little for a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then like I you know, I started meeting, you know,
Speaker 1: talking a couple of the guys, and like everybody was
Speaker 1: super cool, and like I still talk to them, you know,
Speaker 1: to this day. It was a few guys, and like
Speaker 1: I got people that I was in rehab with that.
Speaker 2: I fucking still talk to right now.
Speaker 1: Like the relationships I made and like it's like fucking
Speaker 1: the biggest blessing I've ever had my life. And it's
Speaker 1: like the hardest thing I've ever had to overcome. And
Speaker 1: then that's why I like, I carry that shit on
Speaker 1: my sleeve. I talk about it because it's like somebody
Speaker 1: else is gonna need it, because like right now someone's
Speaker 1: going through the same shit I went through.
Speaker 2: And Waller.
Speaker 1: Having Waller in that locker room, he saw, he knew
Speaker 1: what was going on with me being sober, Like during
Speaker 1: the season, you probably didn't know, but like people knew
Speaker 1: I was partying fucking hard like during the season, but
Speaker 1: I was. You know, we're in the building six seven
Speaker 1: days a week, so like you can't really do it now.
Speaker 2: I do it, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So like I was able to keep my
Speaker 1: shit together, and but you hit that off season, you
Speaker 1: got all the time on your hands.
Speaker 2: It's just like yeah, because.
Speaker 5: There's no structure, like you said, there's no collar I need.
Speaker 1: I love structure, and I need structure. Like I love
Speaker 1: having a schedule. I fucking like right now, I'm five
Speaker 1: days a week, I'm at the facility, I'm lifting eight
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, doing all my rehab. I literally
Speaker 1: go up and meet with our coaches all the time
Speaker 1: like during the week. Like I like having that because
Speaker 1: I don't need to just be sitting at home fucking
Speaker 1: ten hours a day playing video games. Like I come
Speaker 1: home around two o'clock, my girl's there, the dogs, We
Speaker 1: do our thing and like I got my meal prep
Speaker 1: on point. Like I'm just like that's how my brain
Speaker 1: needs to for me. It's like I need that schedule.
Speaker 1: I need that playing Okay, boom, I'm eating this time
Speaker 1: of the day. I'm I like having my ship planned
Speaker 1: out because for me, just our minds being a having
Speaker 1: that addictive personality.
Speaker 2: Oh, you need structure, bro, That's that's what I need.
Speaker 1: And it's life is a lot more fucking easy now
Speaker 1: and simple and I'm not looking over my shoulder worried
Speaker 1: about fuck what do I do to this person? What?
Speaker 1: Like now it's like, Okay, I get everything out. I
Speaker 1: fucking I've been talking to people that I've wronged, people
Speaker 1: that I've you know, had fucked up situations while I was,
Speaker 1: you know, going through what I was going through, and
Speaker 1: like just getting that shit out instead of holding it in. Like, bro,
Speaker 1: it's the best feeling in the world. And like people
Speaker 1: see that, they see what I'm doing for people. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking helping multiple people and reaching out and doing things
Speaker 1: like everything I can do because it's just it's that's
Speaker 1: what like drives me now. It's like not the fame
Speaker 1: and all that shit, Like it's cool. Everyone likes that,
Speaker 1: like everyone loves for sure, everyone does. And for me,
Speaker 1: I love football. I want to be the best, so
Speaker 1: I want to know that people know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing.
Speaker 2: That's how it is. But for me, like having all
Speaker 2: that shit off the field and doing the right things
Speaker 2: in life, that shit makes me makes me so much
Speaker 2: more comfortable in my skin. It's fucking it's crazy, dude.
Speaker 5: Good for you, man, Yeah, that's mean. I appreciate you
Speaker 5: sharing that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I had no clue obviously, But
Speaker 4: and you never know who's watching either or listening right now,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like somebody could be going
Speaker 4: through something thinking because everyone thinks everybody perception of like
Speaker 4: an NFL player or a professional athlete, like they have
Speaker 4: everything together.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, people don't get that everyone is a
Speaker 1: human being and they all have their own shit. Absolutely, bro.
Speaker 1: I I was in college, I thought people were going
Speaker 1: through issues and shit. When I came to the league,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn right, there's some wild shit going on
Speaker 1: and people really don't.
Speaker 4: Know and we're all so masculine in alpha and we
Speaker 4: have a hard exterior, and you always want to seem
Speaker 4: like you have the right shit going.
Speaker 2: On exactly, no matter what's going on, you always got to.
Speaker 1: Put on that like I'm good, like I could fucking
Speaker 1: you know, I can handle anything, right. That's what a
Speaker 1: lot of people are scared of doing, is like fucking
Speaker 1: something that you know, people got issues going through shit
Speaker 1: and just like facing that ship out on and so.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was like Gary Vee or
Speaker 4: Rogan recently, but one of them made like the comment
Speaker 4: I was listening to some like YouTube inspirational thing and
Speaker 4: it was like, our insecurities are ours to own if
Speaker 4: we just own them, like if we just if we're
Speaker 4: vulnerable enough to just talk about them and own them
Speaker 4: and admit that, like we have these issues going on,
Speaker 4: then it just kind of liberates who you are because
Speaker 4: you're able to talk about it and just be like,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I'm a human.
Speaker 5: Everybody has their own shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Literally, Like my favorite quote of all time is like
Speaker 1: I heard a few here in a million times being
Speaker 1: in the program and shit. But it's like if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you've done nothing wrong in your life, then don't
Speaker 1: judge me. Like if you're perfect, then you can judge me.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, bro, every every
Speaker 2: fucking person in this room hast ship. You're just like fuss,
Speaker 2: I'll never tell any Yeah, bus my bad. Like everybody
Speaker 2: has that thing. He's like fuck oh no, I won't say, like.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, like college, I did some fucking crazy shit,
Speaker 1: like some ship you try to like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has that. So like for anybody to
Speaker 1: judge me because I've done what I've done, fuck that,
Speaker 1: Like that's cool. Like if you want to hate out
Speaker 1: of me and do that, I'm fine. I'm happy with myself.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, and I know I'm doing
Speaker 1: the right shit right.
Speaker 4: Right right right, you can say, and you're you're in
Speaker 4: your own like awareness about it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see everything so much more clear, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it's the best feeling, bro, And it's it took.
Speaker 1: It took a lot because I was the same person
Speaker 1: I was so like I really cared about my image
Speaker 1: and I was like I need to be known as
Speaker 1: like you know, hard ass like football player, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like that's just how we are. Like, that's how are bro,
Speaker 1: it's our natural nature.
Speaker 4: But our insecurities only grow because you have to be
Speaker 4: a macho athlete all the time.
Speaker 1: All the time in public with your family, everyone looks
Speaker 1: at you like, oh shit, he's an NFL player, So
Speaker 1: you got everything. You got to act like everything's fucking together.
Speaker 1: But like, at the end of the day, bro, if
Speaker 1: you admit the ship, that's what's being a man. Bro.
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't people that try to put on a front
Speaker 1: and do all that shit, that ship unravels eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day. And shit, if
Speaker 2: I I have none to hide.
Speaker 1: It's just like for me, that feels good, like just
Speaker 1: absolutely able to talk to people and let people know
Speaker 1: what I went through because.
Speaker 4: It's gonna help me. Yeah, it's gonna help them who
Speaker 4: you don't know is paying attention. And it also like
Speaker 4: you put your own accountability in there too, because you're
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, saying it over and over and
Speaker 4: you're putting it out there and you're kind of giving
Speaker 4: yourself an accountability that you have to you know, continue
Speaker 4: to kind of stay on the path.
Speaker 2: One when did you and Waller first have a conversation
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm curious about, Like was there something you
Speaker 4: sat back and looked at with Waller and You're like,
Speaker 4: you know what I need to I need to fucking
Speaker 4: admit that I have something going on here and he's
Speaker 4: able to do it, and it kind of gives me, uh,
Speaker 4: I guess, courage to fucking you know, feel better. But
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's him, but I'm saying no, it
Speaker 4: had to have felt good knowing that somebody like Waller's out.
Speaker 2: There talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you see, like so for me, like it
Speaker 1: wasn't me going like talking to Waller one on one.
Speaker 2: That's not how it necessarily happened.
Speaker 1: But I had, you know, our same people work with
Speaker 1: each other, so like we have you know, mentor sponsors,
Speaker 1: people were dialed in with all the time. So his people,
Speaker 1: like I, they worked with Waller. So then his guy
Speaker 1: kind of got what I was going through. And then
Speaker 1: Waller found out. So it was like, yeah, They're like
Speaker 1: just come to a meeting one night. And at first
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck that shit. I'm not like I'm so
Speaker 1: nervous and like at first you're terrified. Like now like shit,
Speaker 1: we have we have our meetings every week and like
Speaker 1: it's the best fucking time. All the guys, all you
Speaker 1: know former you know, guys that have gone through the
Speaker 1: same shit, you know from different backgrounds and stuff. We
Speaker 1: just as me Waller and good group of guys. Bro
Speaker 1: Like we literally just it's an hour and we just
Speaker 1: talked and just talk about what you're going through and
Speaker 1: it's your story. Like the biggest thing is your story
Speaker 1: is gonna help. Like we just talked about that, but
Speaker 1: like just hearing like what Waller's going through, Like shit,
Speaker 1: he's sober, he used to over three years sober, but
Speaker 1: he's still a fucking human. He's gonna have problems and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have issues and shit come up.
Speaker 2: And that's what helps me.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, boom, he's been sober for three years,
Speaker 1: but shit he doesn't have everything together, right.
Speaker 2: I don't have everything together.
Speaker 1: I've been sober for a year, but I'm still learning
Speaker 1: and growing so much. So for like me, it's like
Speaker 1: there's fucking you see you hear from guys who are
Speaker 1: forty five years sober and they're still dealing with, you
Speaker 1: know this, fucking the littlest shit.
Speaker 2: That would bother that they know they are, Like what triggers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a triggered.
Speaker 1: Any little thing, like just family, wife, kids, Fucking there's
Speaker 1: so much shit too it to life in general. So like,
Speaker 1: dealing with all that sober is not easy, especially for
Speaker 1: someone who's an addict. Like that shit makes it even harder. Bro, Like,
Speaker 1: you got to think about it. Normal people they like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to go go get a drink, like it
Speaker 1: was a long day, but they could just have their
Speaker 1: wine and go to bed. Like for us, it's different, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: I can't just have you know, just have a beer.
Speaker 2: You gotta get up.
Speaker 1: Oh what the first drink is the bro, first drink
Speaker 1: is the problem.
Speaker 2: It's not the same the team once that have the
Speaker 2: first beers open and I shild it's it's on, like.
Speaker 5: Frank to take once just touches your lift and.
Speaker 1: You never know where the fuck's gonna happen. Like that's
Speaker 1: just the reality of how it is. So I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid to say that, bro, Like, I've been through a
Speaker 1: lot of ship in my life, and this has definitely
Speaker 1: been the hardest one. That I've gone through, like just
Speaker 1: fucking going through it, bro, Like the first few months
Speaker 1: I was struggling hard. Oh yeah, I can only imagine.
Speaker 1: Like the first week you're like if it's like the
Speaker 1: biggest relief. It's like you're getaway, like okay, I'm out
Speaker 1: of this ship like my fresh star.
Speaker 2: Then like okay, a couple of weeks go by, like okay,
Speaker 2: now what the fuck do I do?
Speaker 1: In a month? A couple of months ago, I'm like
Speaker 1: this fucking sucks. And now but in the again, you're
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Yeah, that's the crazy part Vegas. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like I'm in Henderson, fucking quiet neighborhood. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's cool, but it's like my point is like
Speaker 1: you're you just got to stay the course.
Speaker 2: It's one day at a time. You're never at the end.
Speaker 2: You're never at the end, bro. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: you're fifty five years in, if you fucking like both,
Speaker 2: if you started letting the hand off the wheel, kind
Speaker 2: of sitting back, doing kind of jumping over a little
Speaker 2: fucking you know, little obstacles and shit you're usually doing that,
Speaker 2: shit adds up and that could fucking that can lead
Speaker 2: to that drink.
Speaker 1: That's what it is for me. Bro, you gotta be
Speaker 1: fucking two hands on the wheel. I'm dialed in.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning, every night, I do the
Speaker 1: same thing, do my little you know, say my little prayer.
Speaker 1: I fucking have my meetings. I'm doing everything I need
Speaker 1: to do because that's what I need. And like I
Speaker 1: love it because it's a part of that structure. I
Speaker 1: love that structure. Like that's what makes me, you know,
Speaker 1: be successful. Right, So it helps a ton. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's life in general. It's not even just alcohol.
Speaker 1: It's like this, oh absolutely life, bro. Like a normal
Speaker 1: person who's going through it, they deals with depression.
Speaker 2: If you just sit in a room and talk.
Speaker 1: To people and have that conversation and open up about
Speaker 1: certain shit, it helps. It helps so much, Bro. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what's going on with you, so and talk
Speaker 1: about those insecurities. Oh fuck yeah, because that's all that
Speaker 1: shit buried up. That that shit builds up, and it's
Speaker 1: like that's where you just explode eventually.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean that it is too. Like that's
Speaker 5: like with life.
Speaker 1: Like if you like you're using an analogy, sitting back
Speaker 1: and get a little loose with the wheel because you
Speaker 1: you know, you have two hands on the wheel right now.
Speaker 1: And with anything like you start to get comfortable or
Speaker 1: feel yourself or think like you've made it, or you're
Speaker 1: at the end of something like literally it never ends,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 5: Callan said it on the on the pod, like, be
Speaker 5: careful what you practice.
Speaker 4: You might get really good at it, or you might
Speaker 4: get really good at the wrong thing. Yeah, you start
Speaker 4: to let loose, You're starting to practice being lazy or
Speaker 4: doing this, or letting yourself, you know, get off track
Speaker 4: a little bit, and then all of a sudden you're
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: You're in that lane. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You it's literally all it takes a Habit isn't hard
Speaker 1: to you know, hard to grow. Oh yeah, you do
Speaker 1: it one time like, oh shit, and then I can
Speaker 1: I I could, you know, sleep in a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I don't really need to hit all eight reps on
Speaker 1: a fucking reverse hyper, like I don't need to do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Ready, terminology, you lose it, he said, eight reps of
Speaker 4: the reverse hypers, getting them hamstrings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is, bro. It's like life in general.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm that's the main thing for me.
Speaker 1: It's like football. It's the same ship. Every little detail
Speaker 1: in life, bro. If you're doesn't matter what it is,
Speaker 1: your family, taking care of your kids, every little thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of all that, ship, Bro, you get to relaxed
Speaker 1: and comfortable. Ship's not gonna go well, it's.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, well good for you, man, Like, that's an
Speaker 4: awesome fucking story.
Speaker 2: I am. I did not know we were gonna go
Speaker 2: down that kind of you started going. I was like, oh, ship, Like, no,
Speaker 2: that's just I mean, but I do.
Speaker 1: I think it's a It says a lot about you
Speaker 1: growing in it because you're able to talk so openly
Speaker 1: about it. Like similar you know, we keep talking about
Speaker 1: d Wall but similar with him, he's just able to
Speaker 1: talk so freely about it. And like I, I haven't
Speaker 1: had to go through something like that, but just something
Speaker 1: as small as I've been doing premarial counseling with my
Speaker 1: fiance and even that stuff, it's like you start learning
Speaker 1: about what therapy is really like talking to a therapist
Speaker 1: or somebody that can help you get this emotions out
Speaker 1: of your basement that you didn't even know you had.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like you're sitting there talking.
Speaker 4: I'm talking one time because we were talking about living
Speaker 4: in different places, and I'm talking about how I like
Speaker 4: living in Nashville, and she wants to live around like,
Speaker 4: you know, the beach or nature or something like that,
Speaker 4: somewhere that's not around people that I already know. And
Speaker 4: you're sitting there talking about it, and you start to realize, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I've just been comfortable moving around because I'm always going
Speaker 4: to my next city, to a next football team. Because
Speaker 4: she's like, well, when you moved to Nashville, you didn't
Speaker 4: nobody in Nashville. But in my head, I'm like, but
Speaker 4: I knew I was going to a locker room, like
Speaker 4: I knew I was going around people that I knew.
Speaker 4: So anytime I've had to move from Nebraska to DC
Speaker 4: to Oakland and Nashville, like, I always know, I'm going
Speaker 4: in an environment that I recognize. So that fear of
Speaker 4: not wanting to live somewhere where she's talking about living
Speaker 4: because she's not in the bubble that we'rer in my
Speaker 4: whole life Like that's where my fear comes from. And
Speaker 4: you sit there and you talk about your transition with football,
Speaker 4: how do you feel about your train like not playing
Speaker 4: football anymore will And I'm like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: like too nervous about her. It's scared about it because
Speaker 4: i feel like I've built I've prepared myself for this
Speaker 4: transition with busting with the boys and being like, you know,
Speaker 4: an advocate for doing things off the field that keeps
Speaker 4: my mind where I just.
Speaker 1: Don't identify as a football player. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not too nervous about it.
Speaker 4: And she's like, you sit there and you talk about
Speaker 4: your life with and she's like, no, like you're scared,
Speaker 4: like you're sad, like you fear it, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I mean, she's like, listen, you don't have
Speaker 4: to be macho, like just talk about why you might
Speaker 4: fear it. And you're sitting there talking and you're going
Speaker 4: around and you're like as a kid going from little
Speaker 4: league to high school and just the next segment was
Speaker 4: paid for you or paved the way, was paved, paved
Speaker 4: the way, whatever you want to say, but you just
Speaker 4: go from locker room to the locker room and you're
Speaker 4: just always for thirty one years, it's just been my yeah,
Speaker 4: thirty years, right, it's already installed with the next move
Speaker 4: is going to be for me sort of like there's
Speaker 4: some unknown, but I know I'm playing ball and just
Speaker 4: being on the other side. She's like, no, like that
Speaker 4: is hard, Like that is tough, Like you don't have
Speaker 4: to act like it's not tough.
Speaker 2: And you're sitting there. She's like, you know, pick a
Speaker 2: word on the table, you pick a word from that sheet.
Speaker 4: Thing that everybody knows about. You said, you pick a
Speaker 4: word stuff. She's like, talk about it, and you're just
Speaker 4: sitting there. You're like, I I've kind of thought I
Speaker 4: already did talk about it. Like they're like, no, like
Speaker 4: you elaborate more, like what do you think it is
Speaker 4: that you're fearing?
Speaker 2: And you go on and on and the next thing
Speaker 2: you know, you're crying. You got tears coming.
Speaker 4: Out of your eyes and you don't know why. And
Speaker 4: I'm uncomfortable with big emotions. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there trying to use humor to get out
Speaker 4: of this conversation, you know what I'm saying. And you
Speaker 4: got to sit there and live in this world, in
Speaker 4: this basement of your your vulnerabilities that you didn't even
Speaker 4: know you had or have words to even come up
Speaker 4: with it, and like, you know, I've been in tears
Speaker 4: like five out of the seven appointments and you just
Speaker 4: don't know why. But I know at the end of it,
Speaker 4: I like love it. Feel amazing, dude, I feel amazing.
Speaker 4: You sit there, you know, you're like wiping your eyes
Speaker 4: and stuff. You get out with your girl and you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, this is awesome. You just have an awareness
Speaker 4: about like that you're learning with yourself that you're just
Speaker 4: like now I see, like you see that side of
Speaker 4: it where people talk about therapy, whether it's they're going
Speaker 4: through an addiction or just going to regular therapy or
Speaker 4: just they're battling things where you just go and talk
Speaker 4: with somebody, Like I do think there's there's something to it.
Speaker 4: I love it, Like I just absolutely love it. Shout
Speaker 4: out Sagegi by the way, because they're the ones. They're
Speaker 4: the that's the spot I go to in Nashville. But
Speaker 4: you're talking about all that stuff, and I dig it
Speaker 4: because I'm sitting here and you're saying things that you
Speaker 4: were once very uncomfortable talking about like you did. Like
Speaker 4: you you've told me, You're like, you know, you didn't
Speaker 4: want people to know, and now you're able to talk
Speaker 4: about it and you just kind of feel liberated about it.
Speaker 4: And it's like you're You're coming up with these things
Speaker 4: in therapy that I've realized that I've had in the basement,
Speaker 4: and you just feel so much better actually talking about
Speaker 4: it and owning these insecurities that you actually have.
Speaker 2: It's the fear of the unknown, bro.
Speaker 1: It's like every like you said, everything in life, the
Speaker 1: fear of going in just walking in the door.
Speaker 2: It's just like me getting sober.
Speaker 1: It's like the fear of the unknowns, Like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: have a million things going through your head. How the
Speaker 1: fucking I lives over? How can I not party? How
Speaker 1: after a game on a plane, how am I not
Speaker 1: gonna want to drink a beer with the guys?
Speaker 2: How? Like a million things you're going through your head.
Speaker 1: But you'll never figure the shit out unless you walk
Speaker 1: through that door and actually like.
Speaker 4: And you're like, do I actually like I know I'm
Speaker 4: going in to gets over, but do I actually want
Speaker 4: to get you?
Speaker 2: Just all these.
Speaker 1: Conversations, it's just like you with the wife and all that. Bro,
Speaker 1: I've had to deal with it, my my girl. We
Speaker 1: fucking we've gone through all that. Like I've been with
Speaker 1: my girl since college, Like we've had our ups and downs.
Speaker 1: You've seen it all, bro, So it's like and.
Speaker 4: You got to get some stuff out that you're like
Speaker 4: nervous to talk about everything.
Speaker 2: Bro, we couldn't even have the normal conversation.
Speaker 1: But you have someone that's you know, not that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a motive or an objective behind like just narrating
Speaker 1: basically laying out the floor for you and your girl
Speaker 1: or whoever.
Speaker 2: It is just yourself right, Like it's you.
Speaker 1: Just you talk to you and talk to your girl,
Speaker 1: and you'll be like damn, like why the fuck did
Speaker 1: we just talk about this before?
Speaker 2: Like this is so simple?
Speaker 1: Yea, this shit like we've been stressing about for a
Speaker 1: fucking year, right, all we had to do is have
Speaker 1: one conversation.
Speaker 2: But like that's life, bro.
Speaker 1: Everything I feel like that shit always ties to it,
Speaker 1: ties to everything, bro, just being just like the fear
Speaker 1: of the unknown like stops a lot of people from
Speaker 1: doing what they really want to do with their life.
Speaker 1: Like for me, that's why the sobriety, Like back to it.
Speaker 1: I know I've talking about It's the same thing, bro,
Speaker 1: Like the fear of the unknown. When I was leaving
Speaker 1: in college, Bro, my coaches, my decordinating, all them, They're
Speaker 1: blowing my phone up, bro for days and like, and
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, because it was tough. Like they
Speaker 1: didn't really know I was leaving. I told my coach
Speaker 1: right before the bowl game, my head coach. I told them, coach,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really I think I'm leaving. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna declare whatever, go out to the Phoenix. I got
Speaker 1: everything set up. I already knew who I wanted as
Speaker 1: my agent and shit, and you know, we got that
Speaker 1: all dial But it was just like that fear of
Speaker 1: the unknown. It's like you're terrified, like, oh, fuck, Like
Speaker 1: what if I leave school right now and like I
Speaker 1: go undrafted fucking doesn't go this way, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then like I just what if I just went
Speaker 1: back to school and didn't do it, Like I don't
Speaker 1: even know where I'll be right now. Yeah, Like, but
Speaker 1: just fucking getting in that doorbell, taking this leap of
Speaker 1: faith is like that's the number one thing, Bro.
Speaker 2: It's the hardest thing.
Speaker 4: That's the hardest thing is just choosing to take action.
Speaker 4: Fuck it, Bro, just saying fuck it. And it's funny.
Speaker 4: You're like you're talking about you and your girl, and
Speaker 4: it's like you just needed that third party person to
Speaker 4: sit there and kind of lay it out. Because the
Speaker 4: way I explained it, like doing the premieritial counseling, is
Speaker 4: like you have all these things that you wish you
Speaker 4: could kind of have those conversations about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anytime it.
Speaker 4: Does so like for instance, say Charles comes home and
Speaker 4: I haven't cleaned up something, and she's like, I know
Speaker 4: in her mind she's doing the best way to be Hey, babe,
Speaker 4: you know, do you think you can clean this up?
Speaker 4: Or would you like me to clean this up? Or
Speaker 4: I know you said you're going to clean up, but
Speaker 4: you would you like me to go ahead and do
Speaker 4: it for you? And in my mind I know she's
Speaker 4: even though she's doing it in a very extremely nice way,
Speaker 4: I know she has in my mind an angle about it.
Speaker 4: Or something usually happens for you to have a conversation,
Speaker 4: so somebody's guard is usually up going into any convers
Speaker 4: you're just gonna.
Speaker 2: Sit there and watch TV.
Speaker 4: Hey, let's talk about you know, when you didn't do
Speaker 4: laundry a few weeks ago, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You're usually your guard's usually up.
Speaker 4: About something, or something usually happens to make you talk
Speaker 4: about it. We're going to primoral counseling or therapy with somebody.
Speaker 4: You're sitting there taking these personality tests and you're doing
Speaker 4: all these things, and they're bringing up conversations for you,
Speaker 4: and you're kind of like, oh, yeah, this is a
Speaker 4: good thing to talk about, and then you dive in
Speaker 4: and you're reaching back and stuff in your childhood, your
Speaker 4: history that you didn't even know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, but it's awesome.
Speaker 4: Man, A huge advocate, huge advocate for the premoral counseling.
Speaker 5: We're going to continue to do it. But therapy in general,
Speaker 5: I mean, and it's cool.
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Speaker 4: let's get let's give it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 4: Playing with Marcus Marcus Mariota, yes, somebody. He came from Tennessee.
Speaker 4: He goes over to the Raiders. I know he's an
Speaker 4: offensive guy. Yeah, what was it like having having Marcus,
Speaker 4: having a fellow boy from the Titans over.
Speaker 1: Over on the Raiders. I know he's quiet, So you
Speaker 1: might not even have a whole lot, see I do.
Speaker 1: And this is I'm happy you ask. Like, so when
Speaker 1: I first got you know, we got back in the
Speaker 1: building and went, you're any camp and stuff. One is
Speaker 1: you know, part of my routines and my structures. I
Speaker 1: have to go in the hot tub and cold tub
Speaker 1: after every practice no matter what, or I don't, I
Speaker 1: can't sleep at night.
Speaker 5: So I literally what a life has full life to live?
Speaker 1: Bro? Like if I'm not if I if I don't
Speaker 1: get in the colto after practice and like something goes
Speaker 1: wrong the next day, I'm like, I'm like, that's why
Speaker 1: my fucking legs aren't where they need to be.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking crazy like that.
Speaker 1: You guys know me now, But that's just how so
Speaker 1: I'm in the hot tub shilling after a day of practice,
Speaker 1: and fucking Marcus was always you would always be in
Speaker 1: there with me. It was just me and him, and
Speaker 1: I got to meet him and got to talk to him,
Speaker 1: and he's super cool.
Speaker 2: He's one of the most humble dude. He's so genuine
Speaker 2: good dude. Bro.
Speaker 1: I fucking love Marcus and his girl now fiance. I
Speaker 1: believe she played soccer at Oregon and my girl played
Speaker 1: at Eastern Michigan with me when we.
Speaker 2: Were at school. She was I see both of you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, the genetics are very strong.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so she met, you know, me and Marcus
Speaker 1: met each other, and then Rachel and Marcus's fiance they
Speaker 1: met each other and they started playing like rec league
Speaker 1: basically soccer, just the same guysy and stuff, and they became,
Speaker 1: you know, good friends and everything like that. So me
Speaker 1: and Marcus this offseason, we're gonna sometime soon we're gonna go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know or something and have dinner. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just a he's a really good dude. And I
Speaker 1: don't like practicing against him at all because he was
Speaker 1: playing scout quarterback and he's fucking flying around the field
Speaker 1: and it like it helped a lot, just cardio wise, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta chase this motherfucker.
Speaker 2: He's running, he's trying to get his in. You know
Speaker 2: he's not. He's going all out.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I respected it, and I'm in practice
Speaker 1: we will get irritating a little bit, but I knew
Speaker 1: I had to run. Fucking Carl Nasa big shout out
Speaker 1: to Carl, this is my guy, bro.
Speaker 2: He would lose his mind in practice.
Speaker 1: It was like week sixteen, like week fifteen, late in
Speaker 1: the year, and Marcus is still scrambling, juking, running fifty
Speaker 1: hours on the field, and Carl he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: a bad He's been to leave us six years now.
Speaker 1: He's other big white defensive end. Carl would fucking lose
Speaker 1: his mind and fucking yell at Marcus like.
Speaker 2: Fucking slowed down.
Speaker 3: I'm not fucking running fifty I'm like, Carl, it's okay.
Speaker 6: Like after it would be over, He's like he's like
Speaker 6: we're playing Drew, but like he would lose a ship.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Carl, just breathe, baby, come on, we're good.
Speaker 6: We gotta get it in and he's like be like nah,
Speaker 6: like he would be happy. You know, we had to
Speaker 6: go through it, but in the moment, he would absolutely Bro,
Speaker 6: he lost.
Speaker 5: His ship, especially legs you're a little heavy.
Speaker 1: Carl is a character, Bro. He would fucking go just
Speaker 1: something the little ship would he would just it would
Speaker 1: just set him off. Bro, we would fucking die.
Speaker 5: Staying on quarterback Derek Carr is everybody.
Speaker 4: Aware of all the bullshit he and he endures in
Speaker 4: the media, social and all that.
Speaker 1: Ship Dude, Yeah, well it's it would be impossible unless
Speaker 1: you literally have no social media.
Speaker 2: Is that not some craziest thing?
Speaker 1: Bro? He trends like every other day. It's unbelievable because
Speaker 1: he's fucking good.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: He had his best season, his best season of his career,
Speaker 1: and you look at every number, every stat whatever, and
Speaker 1: people still look for a reason to try to shoot
Speaker 1: on him. And it, like, for me, it bothered me
Speaker 1: because I know Derek. I me and Derek have an
Speaker 1: awesome relationship and he's like the one guy. If everyone
Speaker 1: just knew him and had a conversation with no question,
Speaker 1: you would feel like a piece of garbage trying to
Speaker 1: downgrade him. So he's some fucking the dude's in the
Speaker 1: building every day. Five o'clock first due in the building.
Speaker 1: He fucking the dude is dialed twenty four to seven
Speaker 1: and he's a quarterback.
Speaker 2: So you know he's busy. But he literally not.
Speaker 4: A time goes by where he doesn't text back. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like he's the most genuine dude.
Speaker 1: Yes, goes out of his way and he just he's
Speaker 1: a great dude, and his place speaks for itself. You
Speaker 1: look at our season. We went eight and eight. Our
Speaker 1: defense was not good. It's a fact. It sucks, and
Speaker 1: I was a part of it. I could be better home.
Speaker 4: You guys shoulder some of that, like the heat he takes.
Speaker 4: You're like, man, if we just fucking played better. But
Speaker 4: you look at our offense. We're ranked top ten. We
Speaker 4: averaged twenty eight points a game. We should not be
Speaker 4: a name. Yeah, that's not on Derek Carr. Derek Carr
Speaker 4: is bawling.
Speaker 2: Fucking hurdling in mid air and trying to get a
Speaker 2: first down.
Speaker 1: Like I respect the ship out of that. There's nothing
Speaker 1: I can say bad about him. The dude is awesome,
Speaker 1: and it is annoying, Like people love for some reason.
Speaker 5: He's like whatever, guy, I know, they just.
Speaker 1: Go after like there's always trade rumors, there's always like yo,
Speaker 1: were bringing them back? Like it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes from, but it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: It might be them eyelashes he's got he's got them eyelashes.
Speaker 4: That makes you kind of like, what's this fucking guy about?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I mean maybe no, yeah,
Speaker 4: but what this family played in the NFL, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: like I don't I feel you on that.
Speaker 2: That was just kind of before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, that is true.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's he's like, Derek's a baller dude.
Speaker 2: He's been to three Pro Bowls.
Speaker 4: Is it's wild to me because you see something probably
Speaker 4: every other day. It's hilarious and I just don't I
Speaker 4: don't know. It's it's fascinating, especially when the d struggled.
Speaker 2: The defense we struggled heavily. We would do coaching changes.
Speaker 4: You did I did a little I did a little
Speaker 4: segment on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had a you know, new coach.
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of new pieces that came in
Speaker 1: no offseason. Every level, we had new guys playing that
Speaker 1: have never played together. Communication, wise was not where it
Speaker 1: needed to be. Leadership wise wasn't where it needed to be.
Speaker 1: And I take responsibility. That's something I definitely am gonna
Speaker 1: work towards and being a better leader and more vocal.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, we just weren't on the same page,
Speaker 1: Bro at all, and it was tough. I felt it's
Speaker 1: just like this is the worst thing, Like you could
Speaker 1: lose a game whatever, a tough game. You like you're
Speaker 1: back and forth, but it's like everyone knows this is
Speaker 1: a fucking elephan in the room. Like the defense is
Speaker 1: struggling that ship that bothers the ship out of me, Bro,
Speaker 1: I can't lie, Like, yeah, it was rough, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they try to use DC as like a scapegoad for
Speaker 1: every issue. I'm like, he's the one dude on the
Speaker 1: team that you don't have to worry about like DC, oh,
Speaker 1: no question, Like that's it's it's crazy, Bro. I feel
Speaker 1: like Stafford was similar to Stafford, like in Detroit, he
Speaker 1: had to go through all that ship, but like everyone
Speaker 1: knows Stafford's a baller Broster Like, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah I had to I talked about PG on one episode. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, did you hear it did you listen to
Speaker 4: PG called? PG called after that segment, and I was nervous.
Speaker 1: I was definitely nervous about it because I'm like, he called, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he called, you know, give me Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, hey, COM's PG. Give me a call
Speaker 4: back when you get this. I'm like, oh man, he's
Speaker 4: calling about that episode. Yeah, and the the the person
Speaker 4: inside me did not want to call him back. But
Speaker 4: I'm thinking to myself, like, Okay, if I'm going to talk,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to talk about him and I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk about that issue on the pod, then I
Speaker 4: need to be I need to have the stones to
Speaker 4: call him back and talk to him. And so you know,
Speaker 4: he we had we hit. We had a productive conversation.
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah, he wasn't he wasn't a big
Speaker 1: fan and rightfully, so like it's fair and it's not.
Speaker 5: It's never on just one guy at all. It's not
Speaker 5: on one.
Speaker 1: Guy that goes into it, bro especially in the NFL,
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of a lot of things that
Speaker 1: go on, and like, yeah, no, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: blame him for being mad. I don't blame yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, I know you like just it's another thing.
Speaker 1: It's like the pride thing is, pride is everything and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and like I get it,
Speaker 1: Like I'm me personally. I have my relationship with him,
Speaker 1: never had a problem with him. Dude is always good
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, so like yeah, like you know, everybody
Speaker 1: has their own opinion, and it's like that's a that's fine.
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to agree with everybody, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, like I get
Speaker 2: into everything. It's just this is what it is. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a conversation. Was it was awkward, it
Speaker 4: was tough, for sure. I'm glad I did it. I'm
Speaker 4: glad I didn't puss out by calling back broad Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did it. And you know, it was
Speaker 4: it was fair that he didn't like he didn't like it,
Speaker 4: but again, like you're just talking about your own player
Speaker 4: perspective of everything. He's like, look, I can't help I
Speaker 4: couldn't get you back to Vegas. I'm like, bro, I
Speaker 4: promise it had nothing to do with that because I
Speaker 4: was close to coming. I was close to coming that
Speaker 4: uh and fortunately the boys, the Titans offer what do
Speaker 4: you say.
Speaker 2: I was close to close.
Speaker 4: I was close to climax. But yeah, man, you know
Speaker 4: it's it suck because I did want to go. I
Speaker 4: did want to go play for the Raiders again, but
Speaker 4: it was like you couldn't not you know, having a
Speaker 4: home here and everything else and playing for the Titans.
Speaker 1: Like I don't blame you. You saw the jersey swap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was on the Raiders.
Speaker 4: Not only did you, but it was it was an
Speaker 4: awkward room because I was like last coming in the
Speaker 4: locker room, and then it was kind of awkward the
Speaker 4: next day, Like it ain't like it rich.
Speaker 1: She's like a motherfucker, dude, I know I taking pictures.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, dude, I know.
Speaker 4: Like I struggled with that, but like also I knew
Speaker 4: it was just in the moment, Like I knew it
Speaker 4: was just anger and emotion. Like in the moment, I
Speaker 4: was trying to like be outside of that and like, look,
Speaker 4: I know him on the back end. These moments don't
Speaker 4: just happen, Like you don't just play in the NFL forever.
Speaker 4: Like this is a game that I don't even remember
Speaker 4: what the score was now, but like it's gonna be
Speaker 4: an afterthought, like this moment, I just did it, but
Speaker 4: I knew. I knew I was gonna have some like looks,
Speaker 4: some side ice from it, rightfully, so like it was merited.
Speaker 2: No, I'm like I got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you're gonna bust my balls. But people
Speaker 5: you like just do it.
Speaker 1: To piss off and just because he was like oh boys, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like you fake motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I knew that would flock to it. Oh I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah I get it.
Speaker 1: Bro. It's like me, I'm playing what if I played
Speaker 1: ten years of the Raiders or whatever? And then I
Speaker 1: go somewhere else and I come back and like, I
Speaker 1: know all the coach, I know people on the team,
Speaker 1: they probably do the same thing.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I don't blame him, Yeah, Rich Cherty, I
Speaker 4: love Rich. I respect this ship out of coach Rich.
Speaker 2: Fucking guy Masachia. No I I I written cover that. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I actually.
Speaker 4: Do though, Like I fuck with Rich Like he's a
Speaker 4: he's a. He's a he's a he's a good leader.
Speaker 4: He's a fucking leader amongst men, wrong fucking leader.
Speaker 2: Phenomenal speeches too.
Speaker 1: He's a realist, bro. He will tell you exactly how
Speaker 1: it is. And he's another dude that when I was
Speaker 1: going through what I was going through, that was one
Speaker 1: motherfucker that I would face high me all the time.
Speaker 1: Just see I didn't want to see your face. Man,
Speaker 1: that's fucking awesome. Yeah, he's a fucking real one.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I go and see him all the time. I just
Speaker 1: go in his office and the ship. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: good fucking dude. No, he's fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: When I wrote that undrafted blog or whatever, he's like, Hey,
Speaker 4: I fucking love this and stuff, and you just he's
Speaker 4: just dope. If you are around him, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. He's just fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: He's different, bro. Yeah, he's a different animal. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: cap the it's been like, what everybody's going on?
Speaker 2: What massacre Week?
Speaker 4: I think Pat McAfee show credit to Pat McAfee show
Speaker 4: calling it massacre week, but dudes have been getting cut.
Speaker 4: Guys who had big deals, they might be getting longer
Speaker 4: in the tooth. Guys are getting cut, deals are getting restructured.
Speaker 4: You're seeing these new deals like Levante he signed my
Speaker 4: boy Levonte David, he just signed a baby two years
Speaker 4: twenty five twenty guaranteed seventeen and a half that signing.
Speaker 4: But so instead of, like I want to say, it's
Speaker 4: like the signing bonus that they might be spreading. Instead
Speaker 4: of spreading it out over two years, he signed for
Speaker 4: like five years, right, three voidable years, So they're able
Speaker 4: to spread that signing bonus out for like five years.
Speaker 4: Like teams are getting savvy and creative. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 4: been a uh it's been a crazy week. How do
Speaker 4: you feel about, uh, the Chiefs because they're in the
Speaker 4: division letting go of both of their both of their tackles.
Speaker 5: What did you think when you saw that come across
Speaker 5: the ticker?
Speaker 2: Well, it's honestly, it definitely surprised me, like everything.
Speaker 1: It was funny. I woke up, I woke him in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I had so many people fucking doing
Speaker 1: like different memes and shit. They're like Max Crosby when
Speaker 1: he wakes up this morning, blah blah blah. It's like
Speaker 1: these crazy ass memes and I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I don't know, bro, it's tough. Like
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher tore his achilles, Like that's the fuck. That's tough.
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, So it's like, yeah, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: To put the team in a hard spot, it puts
Speaker 1: the player in a hard spot. And like Mitchell Schwartz is,
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with a lot of bad like back
Speaker 1: problems and he's had issues too, So I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're gonna bring the guys back. But like I
Speaker 1: played the Chiefs this year. The first time I played,
Speaker 1: they were both playing, and the second time, I think
Speaker 1: Schwartz was out. Yeah, so Schwartz was out and Fisher
Speaker 1: was a little bit banged up, so like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: saw what happened, Like, yeah, was struggling, bro, they and.
Speaker 2: Now they just let go both them started out. So
Speaker 2: obviously you know they have a plan. They're not domb Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna not do We're gonna revamp and get
Speaker 2: some guys for sure. So I peel.
Speaker 4: I saw one funny when it was like mahomes because
Speaker 4: you know, he was trying to put the team on
Speaker 4: his back in the Super Bowl, but he's like throwing
Speaker 4: the ball laterally, and they're like, you know, fuck it,
Speaker 4: Like we'll put it all on Patch Mahomes. Like yeah,
Speaker 4: we saw him, you know, get rid of the whole line,
Speaker 4: crypt clear up the cast pace and just let Pat
Speaker 4: Mahomes do his thing. But that stuff's wild. And then
Speaker 4: Dak he signs a huge deal with the Cowboys. Uh,
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones ponies up and pays him, and some people
Speaker 4: were saying that that could be tipping off.
Speaker 2: The TV money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw something where it's like he could be
Speaker 4: tipping off what the TV deals might look.
Speaker 2: Like between the NFL. Uh. But I mean it's it's
Speaker 2: been a wild off season already and honestly hasn't even
Speaker 2: started because for agency opens up next week. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I look, you love this time of the year, just
Speaker 1: like seeing all the ship as a kid, and like
Speaker 1: in high school and shit, I was so fucking into like,
Speaker 1: all right, who's signing here? But yeah, I grew up
Speaker 1: a fucking diehard Lions fan. Ironically, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: But you grew up a diehard Lions fan.
Speaker 1: I lived in Michigan all was ten and I moved
Speaker 1: to Texas and went to middle school, high school.
Speaker 2: O day.
Speaker 1: So I've bro was a big Lions fan. So I
Speaker 1: was always locked in on free agency. Like now, like
Speaker 1: being in the league is I go ship? Now you
Speaker 1: really know what's going on and like it's interesting. It's scary,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I kind of like it's it's entertaining for sure.
Speaker 5: All Right, Has there anybody that's gotten the acts from
Speaker 5: the Raiders?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: We uh oh I saw Trent Brown. You guys dealt Trent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we cut three of our starting alignment. Damn
Speaker 1: got Ritchie and we cut Trent no Way? Yeah fuck man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if people are coming back like
Speaker 2: some maybe.
Speaker 5: You guys got you guys got some big free agents
Speaker 5: up too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Bros do something every day. Yeah, like he's up, Nick
Speaker 1: morro elly Yeah, Aglaura had a fucking amazing season. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna have with Jonathan Hankins, my boy,
Speaker 1: big Hank. Yeah me, it's a free agent. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're go You know. Uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Bro Mayak and Grudener in the lab.
Speaker 1: Dude, you know they're in the lab, bro may I
Speaker 1: I know Mayok is in there like he's having like
Speaker 1: eighteen hour days or something ridiculous.
Speaker 2: He seems like he just loves the ship.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've had a conversation with him. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's my dream job. I worked the NFL that way.
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 1: I just studied players twenty four to seven. They they
Speaker 1: came with this opportunity, and now I really get to
Speaker 1: do it. Like this is what I've always wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Like Boom, Now he's a fucking real NFL GM and
Speaker 1: like that dude.
Speaker 2: Knows football like no other inside out, inside out. Brow
Speaker 2: and Gruden's the same way. I love as Tate too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tape, you gotta watch the tape and fucking
Speaker 1: he's so serious about everything. But I love Mayoc though,
Speaker 1: and Gruden that fucking brother dialed.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna see him next week? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: see them all the time in the work. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, got this guy? Well come hey.
Speaker 1: Remember hey, remember something goes you know left you got them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you got well yeah growing up. You mentioned
Speaker 1: playing ball in Texas? Yeah, oh yeah, what was it
Speaker 1: like playing high school football in Texas? Were you were
Speaker 1: you actually in it? Like where you where'd you actually
Speaker 1: play at? Like what it is? So I played at
Speaker 1: college Ohritage, we played Trinity play South like Carrol.
Speaker 2: Some of the best teams in the country. Bro.
Speaker 1: Like our our division my senior year was one of
Speaker 1: the highest ranked like conferences in the country. Like there
Speaker 1: was dudes, like I I was telling you on the
Speaker 1: way here. Like we played played Cedar Hill in the
Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs the Cowboys Stadium. They had
Speaker 1: like fifteen to twenty Division one players. Like in my
Speaker 1: school we were six A. So we're the highest of
Speaker 1: the high ranking. So we of our school, like we
Speaker 1: were the one school that didn't have crazy talent, because
Speaker 1: a lot of those schools of South Lay Carroll's they
Speaker 1: have like six thousand kids, like Allen's thirty minutes down
Speaker 1: the road where Kyler Murray went. Yeah, oh, they have
Speaker 1: like fucking it's like a college campus. It's unbelievable. So
Speaker 1: like us, we were just below. We were just at
Speaker 1: the limit where we had enough kids where we could
Speaker 1: be six A. But once I left, we went down
Speaker 1: like we lost a couple hundred kids and we went
Speaker 1: down to five A. So like my last two years,
Speaker 1: like high school, like we were bro. Every game was
Speaker 1: a war, like in the environment, like we have fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand in our in our high school and we have
Speaker 1: big ass stadiums, Like our stadium was sick.
Speaker 2: Oh, so you're playing Texas football. We're playing real like
Speaker 2: every every week. Bro.
Speaker 1: I played like there was a stretch during that season
Speaker 1: we played like ten was ten games. In high school,
Speaker 1: I played like six weeks in a row of Division
Speaker 1: One Power five tackles. It was my first year playing
Speaker 1: d n B. I was a linebacker my whole life
Speaker 1: and just hit a girl spur and they're like I
Speaker 1: was six or five and goofy and fucking awkward.
Speaker 2: They're like yeah, and we got new coaches and everything,
Speaker 2: and I'm like all.
Speaker 1: Right, like hey man, you run like a giraffe. You
Speaker 1: cannot play linebacker anymore.
Speaker 2: Move them up.
Speaker 1: They're like, put them on the line. So I played
Speaker 1: DM BRO I was playing played against Alabama. An Alabama kid,
Speaker 1: fucking Connor Williams. He was a starting tackle for Coppell
Speaker 1: and he's like he's a starting guard for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Now there's fucking every fucking week, bro, kids at a
Speaker 1: big school, Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: It was like, this was my first year playing.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to not in Missouri my thing, bro, Hey,
Speaker 4: not in Missouri.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I was. I was able to do my thing.
Speaker 1: I was making I was, I was making plays. But
Speaker 1: like it was real football, Like this ship was fucking life,
Speaker 1: like the parents are, bro. The tailgates were fucking insane.
Speaker 1: The whole parking lot. Everybody's at the game, bro, every
Speaker 1: Friday night. It was like fucking party.
Speaker 2: Bro. It was nuts. Like I loved it. Oh, it
Speaker 2: was unreal. Yeah, not Missouri.
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting here listening to him, like, man, it's like, damn,
Speaker 4: Missouri wasn't shit.
Speaker 1: You went to fuck in Nebraska, you have that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to Eastern Chigan. We literally had fifteen thousand,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand other games maybe at college games.
Speaker 4: Did you see the shit going on with Nebraska? No
Speaker 4: talking about I'm trying to not play ou.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's money. I'm not listening. Scott Frost and
Speaker 4: the boy Yeah, Scott Frost and the Boys anytime anywhere,
Speaker 4: he said it. You know what I'm saying, anytime we
Speaker 4: might lose. You know what I'm saying, the probability is
Speaker 4: higher based on though we've been performing. But the boys,
Speaker 4: they ain't backing down from Oklahoma. It's the suits. There's
Speaker 4: some shit going on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you right now they lose by thirty.
Speaker 2: You're gonna give me a thirty points. Friend, you're gonna
Speaker 2: give me thirty.
Speaker 1: Thirty points Nebraska verus OU thirty five, Give me thirty four,
Speaker 1: give me thirty four board, Okay, thirty four relat twenty eight,
Speaker 1: I'll do thirty a thirty Yeah, saw it here.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be bad. You see his sigh.
Speaker 4: No, I love him, No, dude, And it's gonna be
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be at Lincoln. But some's gonna
Speaker 4: get figured out. Somebody from the OU side leak something
Speaker 4: because they're not getting their way in some negotiation. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like it's it's involved inside four
Speaker 4: walls that have nothing to do with the guys on
Speaker 4: the field, nothing to do with the coaches. Those boys
Speaker 4: in Nebraska are ready to go anytime anywhere. Scott Frost said,
Speaker 4: it and again you might get your ship pushed in,
Speaker 4: but we ain't backing down.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Wait, I have a question.
Speaker 5: Did you play with Malik?
Speaker 4: Uh No, he he just got there when I left.
Speaker 4: But I know Malik. I know he's a He's an
Speaker 4: awesome dude.
Speaker 2: That's that's my dude. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I get to watch him on uh I see him
Speaker 5: on Instagram.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a grinder. Looks like a grinder out there
Speaker 4: with that dude des all the handshit. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Moli can fucking hit some bags.
Speaker 1: He said, fucking hits. He makes the drills look like.
Speaker 1: He was a hell of a player at Nebraska. He
Speaker 1: was single digit, wasn't it. Yeah, he was number seven.
Speaker 1: You see a single digit the lineman with a fucking gut,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, he's fucking Yeah.
Speaker 4: He had some sauce too. First round, him and Randy
Speaker 4: Gregory were on the same line as scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Randy was He was one of my favorite players, bro, Dude,
Speaker 2: he had some sauce.
Speaker 1: I love his fucking table and he's he came back
Speaker 1: this year and balled the funk out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's had those off field issues. He's he's got
Speaker 4: like nine lives. But he's like a fucking cat is.
Speaker 4: He's lucky, he is, and he's getting all those opportunities
Speaker 4: because he's a stud I'm talking about genetics.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: He he housed one in Nebraska and it looked like
Speaker 4: he belonged to the ball in his hand.
Speaker 5: I forget who they were playing, but I remember watching
Speaker 5: them all like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, fucking gliding Bro. Yeah, drop back and pick
Speaker 2: all the time. Bro. I love watching him. Dude, he
Speaker 2: was a monster. Who did you play with that? Eastern Michigan?
Speaker 1: We didn't have any guys get draft in my year
Speaker 1: besides me, but yeah, I have a bunch of my guys.
Speaker 2: You go to any good bowl games? Did you go
Speaker 2: to a bowl game? Yeah? Fuck yeah? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like when I that was the thing, Like, you're fucking
Speaker 1: fucking hater, Bro, what bowl games did you go to? Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the story. Eastern we went to
Speaker 1: what bowl games? Bahamas ball and went to the fucking
Speaker 1: Chamellia ball.
Speaker 2: What's that? Alabama? Baby?
Speaker 5: You said, Chlamenia ball flat ball?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was Uh, it was great. No, but we've yeah, Bro,
Speaker 2: it's a great, great venue.
Speaker 4: The Bahama Bowl, like I was gonna he was just
Speaker 4: gonna eat like he hit me with that one.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Always say that Atlanta, so
Speaker 1: you have to be in. It was awesome. It's a
Speaker 1: great time. Human that now you bring up a good point.
Speaker 1: I've been to Atlantis. It's a great time. We had
Speaker 1: a fucking blast. I was a freshman. I was fucking partying,
Speaker 1: having a fucking ball.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: We were wild. Oh my boys, we were fucking We
Speaker 1: didn't care. It was so much fun. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was Uh.
Speaker 2: It was great. Bro.
Speaker 1: I went to Eastern. We were one and eleven my
Speaker 1: red shirt year. When I read shirted it, I was
Speaker 1: like two hundred ten pounds. When I got there, I
Speaker 1: fucking looked like a I don't even know. I was
Speaker 1: just looking like a child, a baby deer. And I
Speaker 1: fucking I ended up, you know, doing my thing, and
Speaker 1: my recruiting class came in, the next one came in,
Speaker 1: and we fucking we changed the whole thing. My coach,
Speaker 1: coach Creighton, big shadow of coach Creighton, he changed the
Speaker 1: whole program. Bro. We went there. We were the worst.
Speaker 1: We were the laughing stock, laughing stock of Division one.
Speaker 2: Football.
Speaker 1: We were ranked one twenty eight. I think that's how
Speaker 1: many D one teams are. We were ranked one twenty
Speaker 1: eight when I got there, the worst of the worst,
Speaker 1: and we went there bro We went to fucking two
Speaker 1: bowl games one year. We didn't make it, were one
Speaker 1: game off, but like we really changed that shit around
Speaker 1: and competed.
Speaker 2: Like I guess everybody was so sick.
Speaker 1: You learned something every day. I thought you were in AIA. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's relax. Run the mac, baby. What do you know
Speaker 1: about Max?
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll tell you what I enjoy it. I enjoy
Speaker 2: We'll show ever play anywhere.
Speaker 1: Were playing fucking Tuesday night and fucking in ball at
Speaker 1: ball stay in Lorraine in fucking November, freezing.
Speaker 4: I do enjoy the Max social media, the big cat Max.
Speaker 4: Hilarious Max. It's hilarious big time. So Max, Max is
Speaker 4: the one I always talk about when I say, like,
Speaker 4: when I got to the Raiders, there's a teammate that says, like, oh,
Speaker 4: busting with the boys. Who knew of busting with the
Speaker 4: boys When I got there, Max was the first player
Speaker 4: to You're like, oh, fuck yeah, Like you know, other
Speaker 4: guys know about it, other pro other pro guys know about.
Speaker 5: It and Max Max is the one. Max is the
Speaker 5: one I always refer to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bro, yeah, oh yeah, I remember that ship always.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I watched I watched the show before I
Speaker 1: even knew you and ship. So they saw us we
Speaker 1: signed Will Compton. I'm like, that's fucking us busting with
Speaker 1: the boys. Well I'm like, no, fucking let's go through
Speaker 1: what I saw. I'm like, oh, I gotta say something.
Speaker 5: I had to get your hat. I had to get
Speaker 5: a lot of guys in the.
Speaker 1: Whole team out of having them. But yeah, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: no it's cool.
Speaker 2: You still rock the head.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while. Nah, not all
Speaker 1: the time. I really don't wear it much, but I
Speaker 1: would they, Bro, I got like a hundred of these.
Speaker 1: They give us this this company shoutout residency.
Speaker 2: You know, they're no.
Speaker 1: Free shoutouts to companies, but big shoutout, you know. But
Speaker 1: they fucking they give me hats on hats and this
Speaker 1: every color, just the LV, just the LV, Bro, And
Speaker 1: I'm a snapbag guy.
Speaker 2: You enjoy living out in Vegas? I love it, Bro,
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it like it's pretty out there right, Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like literally, Vegas is a bowl. Like it's literally
Speaker 1: there's Vegas. You got Henderson, Summerland. Then it's just surrounded
Speaker 1: by fucking desert. But everything's right there. Like everyone thinks, Okay, Vegas,
Speaker 1: it's the fucking strip and it's just going on twenty
Speaker 1: four seven. But that's only the strip, like that direct
Speaker 1: little spot. But I live twenty minutes away. I'm in Henderson,
Speaker 1: a quiet ass old gated community. I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1: It's like I have a homie like feel. Like in California,
Speaker 1: it was the opposite. Oh look in a tiny apartment
Speaker 1: with my fucking dogs and me and my girls stuff,
Speaker 1: and we hated it. And like now we have have
Speaker 1: a house, we got a pool. You know, we fucking
Speaker 1: just relaxed, like it's it's really cool. Soday.
Speaker 2: He's talking about his situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, were you ever in the extended Say
Speaker 5: what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I stayed when I was getting ready for my pro
Speaker 1: day and even after my pro day, I was in
Speaker 1: a fucking extended state in uh ann Arbor in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Have you been in Alamedas? No, I would love to have.
Speaker 1: Compared to you always talk about it. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: stand there.
Speaker 4: I would walk in and I would have to get
Speaker 4: checked by the skin doctor because I'd have all these
Speaker 4: bites on my fucking body.
Speaker 2: Literally bad bucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dog, I'd come.
Speaker 4: Home, there'd be a little bit of like uh, some
Speaker 4: eas essential meno assides, like a little bit of powder
Speaker 4: like dust on the table, and I'd come in there
Speaker 4: just be a frenzy of ants. Dude, I had to
Speaker 4: move rooms, no situ which would happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough, But I like the one that people we're.
Speaker 5: Talking rough just smelled like weed the whole time. Dude,
Speaker 5: Oh alla meat.
Speaker 2: It was fucking yeah. I don't even know how to
Speaker 2: explain it. It's like the Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, serial killers, everybody's going through.
Speaker 5: That, cigarettes, homeless people and sex.
Speaker 2: Dude. But hey, shout out all of meat ext big shot.
Speaker 4: God, But that was a grind. I had to perseverere
Speaker 4: in that one. But can we have anything else? Heading
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Speaker 7: Drinking before games on the Ryan Mascillo podcast, and he
Speaker 7: said there was a time when he played a game
Speaker 7: with a guy that was drunk in the huddle who
Speaker 7: ended up going for like two hundred yards that game.
Speaker 2: And uh and and.
Speaker 7: There's a bunch of other quotes that they pulled up to,
Speaker 7: like Clinton Port has said that he and Santana Moss
Speaker 7: would take shots a Hennessy pregame to boost adrenaline.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 7: Josh Gordon said he would take a couple of shots
Speaker 7: of Grand Marnier and take the biggest bong rip he
Speaker 7: could like like.
Speaker 2: Bro, Like, I don't It's Josh Gordon, So yeah, you
Speaker 2: would assume.
Speaker 1: He's taking Hennessy shots a normal thing. I had people
Speaker 1: out of Eastern and they were fucking before the game
Speaker 1: before it. Cos pulled us up. Had a couple of
Speaker 1: my boys were running the fucking they'll run in the shower,
Speaker 1: smack the shop and they're like fucking ready to go.
Speaker 2: I never did that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It kind of freaks me out, like yeah, I never
Speaker 1: be in my fucking mind. Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Too many checks going on. Then I got to hit
Speaker 1: with hey, check it empty?
Speaker 2: What aways like I don't know if I fucking take
Speaker 2: a shot for a game doing some crazy shit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the Clint Port of Santana Moss sayings true
Speaker 4: because teammates of Washington would say them in Santana like
Speaker 4: they had all rip shots of Hennessy before a game.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, at least three, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've heard stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I heard him.
Speaker 4: I heard Antonio Brown would show up like right at
Speaker 4: game time, like when he was on the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he didn't really Yeah, yeah it was yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gone for the season.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was wrong.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know that Santana like all like yeah,
Speaker 4: people take hitty to the head. I'm more like, you know,
Speaker 4: pass a doggie bag around a pre workout type of guy.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, what was it like
Speaker 2: playing against Taylor? It was it was a tough game. God. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Now as you bring that.
Speaker 1: Up, you know, I think, what did I offer you
Speaker 1: every sack that you got? What was it a few
Speaker 1: hundred dollars?
Speaker 2: You probably probably shouldn't say that, you know, running bounding program,
Speaker 2: We're not we're not in college anymore.
Speaker 4: But this was sacks on Taylor wasn't like hurt somebody,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was tough, bro, Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: I felt like, you know how the Titans are.
Speaker 1: They literally just pound the ball, pound the ball, and
Speaker 1: then they hite you with play action, so you're not
Speaker 1: really getting a good feel of, you know, as a
Speaker 1: d M getting off the ball and like because you
Speaker 1: know most of the time they're running that ball, but
Speaker 1: the one time you kind of get off slow because
Speaker 1: you think it's a run, they're fucking launching that bitch
Speaker 1: down field of AJ.
Speaker 2: So like I already knew, like it was tough.
Speaker 1: Taylor's good too, So Taylor is different ship, And like
Speaker 1: when you know you're protected in that way when you
Speaker 1: got to play action, you know it helps your line.
Speaker 1: And I and I was, Taylor, I want to play
Speaker 1: you again. I do, And I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be it is and I'm I'm gonna take up Will
Speaker 1: on that bet. And I think Taylor's a Pisa big
Speaker 1: shots of Taylor.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I remember walking up the Max that week,
Speaker 4: I like, hey, I need you to get sacks on
Speaker 4: the ball. Way, like, I'll give you five hundred per bro,
Speaker 4: but you gotta get sacks.
Speaker 2: On the boy. Uh but yeah it did.
Speaker 5: It didn't work out the way we thought it would.
Speaker 2: We were sick.
Speaker 5: See what happened was first played the game. I've talked
Speaker 5: about it before.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking sitting on the bench because Saffold almost put
Speaker 4: me there, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't go the way we thought it would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a horse, he's a huge bro.
Speaker 2: The whole old line.
Speaker 4: As fu Oh yeah, the boys got a nice whole line.
Speaker 4: Shout out the boys, man. But and one more thing
Speaker 4: on the stitch with the with the with the Washington
Speaker 4: football team. As I just thought of this, there was
Speaker 4: somebody I won't say names, but a safety that played
Speaker 4: on Washington who at halftime would go into the bathroom
Speaker 4: stall with basically, uh what do they call the I'm
Speaker 4: jhonna blank right now, the fishing boxes tackle box with
Speaker 4: like a tackle box of you know stuff. The solves
Speaker 4: it at halftime, but people knew that this guy was
Speaker 4: doing it. I'm not gonna say, you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna you know, be for the boys.
Speaker 1: People probably figure it out, but yeah it's normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you see you see you see some
Speaker 2: ship man.
Speaker 1: What in my two years I've seen some of the
Speaker 1: crazy ship I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4: What's the craziest thing you've seen in your two years?
Speaker 4: I have a cap talking to fucking well, you know
Speaker 4: names or anything like that. It's just like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't want you say names because we like we gotta
Speaker 4: protect the boys.
Speaker 1: Of course, but like, yeah, just the environment is not
Speaker 1: what I expected. I did not feel like there would
Speaker 1: be so many people as wild as myself when I
Speaker 1: first came in the league.
Speaker 2: I thought I was by myself. Get after it, dude.
Speaker 4: I would come in, I would come in on a
Speaker 4: Saturday travel day days you travel, and there would be
Speaker 4: a couple of dudes sleeping in their lockers because they
Speaker 4: went out hard in DC the night before on a
Speaker 4: Friday night. Yeah, I've seen people just drunk and have
Speaker 4: to go at the facility.
Speaker 1: The crazy shit I've seen for me is like we
Speaker 1: play on a Sunday and I've seen guys go out
Speaker 1: on Friday Friday nights like four am and drinking strip
Speaker 1: clubs shit like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what the dudes get after it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they get after it.
Speaker 4: I mean there's there's the stereotypical life that people try
Speaker 4: to imagine, like it's out there. Sometimes it's a fucking wildlife.
Speaker 2: Do to last or is it guys who don't stick
Speaker 2: around long?
Speaker 1: No, guys said, I'm referring to with that shit or
Speaker 1: like not even on the team anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and the two I'm thinking the two I
Speaker 4: was thinking of that slept at the lockers, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they weren't.
Speaker 2: It didn't last long, like maybe a year or two,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But there are guys who are ballers who are fucking
Speaker 1: crazy too. They'll do some wild ship like there's some
Speaker 1: pro bowlers who fucking get after it too, like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, there's some guys that
Speaker 1: just know how to handle like I don't know, you're
Speaker 1: just surprised. They just have They just have the gift. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you would never expect in a million years that
Speaker 1: they're like they party like that or anything like that.
Speaker 2: They just from there.
Speaker 4: I mean, Ocho Sink was in a partier, but it's
Speaker 4: very well documented that he just ate McDonald's every day.
Speaker 4: I mean, some guys can just do shit that makes
Speaker 4: zero sense, no crazy, no, Like one of my boys
Speaker 4: would come in and he'd be like have a bag
Speaker 4: of fast food or something right in evening a meeting,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it's just like, yo,
Speaker 4: what the fuck we got practice?
Speaker 2: If I hate that, like i'd had the same time.
Speaker 4: Hey, we had to strength coach at Nebraska Willie Jones.
Speaker 4: I think he's a strength coach at Illinois now, but
Speaker 4: for he got like initiated into the strength staff with
Speaker 4: Dallson and them, and they pushed a prowler, I think
Speaker 4: a sled like maybe a thousand yards and they had
Speaker 4: to put their body weight on the sled and push
Speaker 4: it a thousand yards.
Speaker 2: So you pushing how.
Speaker 4: Much do you weigh seventy on a prowler and you'd
Speaker 4: have to push it a thousand yards or it was
Speaker 4: something crazy like that. But they said Willy was shaking
Speaker 4: and fucking hurting so bad he had to go puke.
Speaker 4: And while he was in the stall, he started shitting himself.
Speaker 1: Shit just started running down his leg. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm seen. We had a kid at Eastern Bro. We
Speaker 1: we did shit similar to that. When we would have
Speaker 1: our fucking stadium days. Bro, we had like twenty four
Speaker 1: of them or twenty two or whatever. It's a crazy
Speaker 1: number running all the way up the stadium. You fucking
Speaker 1: jogged down and you're fucking hitting it, and we'd have overtime,
Speaker 1: so we're already fucking dead.
Speaker 2: Go overtime blah blah blah, and we're like.
Speaker 1: No, you would have to pick up whoever is fucking you,
Speaker 1: figure out who you team up was, you have a buddy,
Speaker 1: and you have to throw them on your fucking back
Speaker 1: and run up the stadium. Ye back down, bro, it
Speaker 1: was fucking shit getting speed wobbles like the There would
Speaker 1: be guys like it's your group, so you got ten guys.
Speaker 1: There'll be one fucking dude who's like a running back
Speaker 1: and he'll get stuck with a fucking moose, three hundred.
Speaker 2: Twenty pound guy and that's the car.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm I'm not doing that because I'll
Speaker 1: drop your fat ass down the whole stadium like it's crazy,
Speaker 1: like we were, Oh my gosh, I had a roommate.
Speaker 1: I had a roommate, Alfonso, and he faked like passing out.
Speaker 1: He faked the cramp because we it got to you
Speaker 1: were gas after this.
Speaker 4: Huge uh uh what do they call it? County fair?
Speaker 4: Like workout one of those county fair workouts where you
Speaker 4: got like eight stations, you're doing all these drills with
Speaker 4: vest On, push your prowlers, doing the most bro, and
Speaker 4: you're destroyed at the end. And he's like, all right,
Speaker 4: not overtime. But it was like, you know, it was
Speaker 4: basically that's what it was. We're gonna do extra get
Speaker 4: on the line. We're gonna do jingle jangles where you
Speaker 4: just run certain ladders like five back, ten back, or
Speaker 4: ten back, fifteen back, ten back, twenty back, shit like that,
Speaker 4: and you don't know when you're gonna stop.
Speaker 2: It's like all right on the line jingle jingles.
Speaker 4: And my roommate Fonso, he just he screamed with his
Speaker 4: high pitched voice, ah, and just literally acted like he
Speaker 4: just fainted and passed out.
Speaker 2: And they literally they sprayed him down like right there with.
Speaker 4: The cooler water and they had to pick him up,
Speaker 4: and he got picked up by like four people and
Speaker 4: they went and just dropped him in the cold tub.
Speaker 4: They just talked. They talked up as like a full
Speaker 4: body cramp. No, but we were freshmen, like it was
Speaker 4: our first hard work out.
Speaker 1: We were freshmen, bro, your first couple of weeks in
Speaker 1: college of the fucking they.
Speaker 2: Try and break you.
Speaker 1: We had a kid when I was my sophomore year.
Speaker 1: There was a kid that shipped himself in the meeting.
Speaker 1: He was so tired and exhausted in the meeting. It
Speaker 1: was an whole liveman, and this dude was dying. Bro,
Speaker 1: he was so exhausted. We had meetings after He's literally
Speaker 1: crawling into the meeting room and he got up out
Speaker 1: of his chair after he was done at the meeting,
Speaker 1: and there was literally a ship streak in his chair. Bro.
Speaker 2: Fucking it was. It was fucked up. Bro.
Speaker 4: Did you see some ship when you're in college man,
Speaker 4: and you think that wife, and then when you're on
Speaker 4: the other side of it, you're like, you know, how
Speaker 4: ridiculous is college?
Speaker 2: What it was? Fucking oh my god the first couple
Speaker 2: of weeks or just unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thanks for coming on, bro, Max Crosby Busting
Speaker 4: with the Boys.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man, and blast yah. Big shout out
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