1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: John Cobelt Show. We're on every day from one until 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: four o'clock and then after four o'clock John Cobelt Show 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: on demand on the iHeart app. We are awaiting any 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: moment an official press conference in the Rob Reiner and 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: Michelle Reiner murders. 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Just got a five minute warning. 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Five minutes, okay, and Nathan Hakman, the district attorney, is 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: supposed to announce specific charges against against Nick Reiner the 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Sun and so we'll bring that to you live coming up. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: They've they've got television shots at the podium and we 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: should be rolling any minute now. 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Yesterday's news confidence never happened. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Everybody was waiting around for a couple hours before we 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: found out that they weren't going to have it. Also, 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: apparently Nick Reiner is being given a psychiatric evaluation right now. 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't have medical clearance to go to a preliminary 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: arraignment or any any kind of legal hearing over this. 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: According to his attorney, Alan Jackson, He's being evaluated and 21 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: so we'll see that where that goes. I mean, you know, 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: I'll get to it later, but you know, there could 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: very well be mental illness. We may be getting a 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: signal of the kind of defense they may ultimately use 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: if this goes to a jury trial. Clearly, this kid 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: was in great mental upheaval for a long time. I 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: read a lot about his background today, and he started 28 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: doing drugs when he was fourteen years old. So we're 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: talking about eighteen solid years. And I've seen various numbers 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: for the amount of rehab he's gone through. I've seen 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: it as high as seventeen according to one story, eighteen 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: in another story. You know, you go through eighteen rehabs. 33 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: Maybe rehab for some people doesn't work. We talked about 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: this yesterday, that maybe some people can't be fixed. And 35 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: in very rare cases, you've got a choice between kicking 36 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: your kid out on the street where he's probably gonna 37 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: end up dead. And Nick Ryder was homeless frequently. He 38 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: has said he was homeless in various states around the country, 39 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: and or you know, there's a rare case of he 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: kills you, and at the end, those might be the 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: only two options. Now, killing a mother and a father 42 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: is very rare over the last ten years, from what 43 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: I've read today it's only happened sixty times in this 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: country where somebody, and it's almost always a guy, always 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: a man took out his mother and his father in 46 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: a double murder. Who were his parents, So it's it's 47 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: And obviously we have millions of drug addicts and millions 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: of people with mental illness, so this particular series of 49 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: events is highly unusual. But he was looking at photos. 50 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: You know, you look at candid photo shots and the 51 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: eyes can reveal a lot. There are many shots of 52 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: the family because you know, Rob Reiner was always appearing 53 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: at some Hollywood event and they have a red carpet 54 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: and you pose for the photographs, and Rob Reiner had 55 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: a very practiced smile for the cameras. He has another 56 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: son named Jake, who also got into the acting business 57 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: and has been a television news and he had the 58 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: smile right fixed, and as well as the daughter and 59 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: the wife a little less. So they're not they're not 60 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: television or movie professionals practice do with that look. But Nick, 61 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: the second son, his look from photo to photo is erratic, 62 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: to say the least, sometimes looking grim, grimacing eyes, looking 63 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, looking lost, looking kind of angry 64 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: rare is the photo that I've been looking through where 65 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: he's got the smile going, where it's it's locked in 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: on the camera and it looks authentic that he's that 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: it doesn't look strained pained, that he's trying to fake it. 68 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's extremely troubled all his life. 69 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's. 70 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: Extremely difficult if somebody is not taking to the rehab, 71 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: if the rehab is not good enough, if I don't know, 72 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: the psychiatric medications are not good enough's that's really difficult 73 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: because obviously Reyner had all the money in the world 74 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: and all the connections in the world if he needed 75 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: to use them to get the help. And I think 76 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: once you've gone through eighteen tries and you missed eighteen times, 77 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: is there a point where nothing can be done? And 78 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: that's something that isn't talked about much in our culture. 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: Our culture likes to believe that if you throw enough 80 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: medication or enough counseling therapy at a person, eventually you 81 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: know it's going to work. He's going to fight his 82 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: way through it. Enough family support and all that, which 83 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: is all you know, nice nice thoughts, nice intentions, but 84 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and I think 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: there are a lot of families who have that lost guy, 86 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: that lost soul who. 87 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes it does not mean John have got La County DA. 88 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: Nathan Hawkman now lie with updates on the murders of 89 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: Rob and Michelle Reiner and. 90 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: The distri Attorney Nathan Hoffman, just want to level expectations. 91 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 5: We will allow some time for questions. 92 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: But because of this is a preliminary investigation, still very active. 93 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: It's being filed as we speak, There's not a lot 94 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 4: we're going to be able to say right now. Also, 95 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: if you would please quote one question at a time 96 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: so that we can hear the question and answer appropriately, 97 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 4: so if we can have that decorum in here, DA 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 4: Nathan Homan, My. 99 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 6: Name is Nathan Hoffman. I'm the District Attorney of Los 100 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 6: Angeles County. Today I'm here to announce that our office 101 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 6: will be filing charges against Nick Reiner, who was accused 102 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 6: of killing his parents, actor director Rob Reiner and photographer 103 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 6: producer Michelle Singer Reiner. 104 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 5: These charges will be two counts. 105 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 6: Of first degree murder with the special circumstance of multiple murders. 106 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 6: He also fest is a special allegation that he personally 107 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 6: used a dangerous and deadly weapon, that being a knife. 108 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 6: These charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison 109 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 6: without the possibility parole. 110 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 5: Or the death powerty. 111 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 6: No decision at this point has been made with respect. 112 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 5: To the death powerty we have requested, and currently Nick 113 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: Reiner is being held without bail. 114 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 6: Now, before I in announcing these charges, I also want 115 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 6: to announce that they're just that they are charges. 116 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: Charges are not evidence. 117 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 6: Evidence is something that we will be presenting in a 118 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 6: court of law to meet the standard of proof we 119 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 6: meet in every criminal case, which is beyond a reasonable 120 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 6: doubt towel twelve jurors who you will unanisately have to 121 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 6: find that we've met that standard to prove the charges 122 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: we bring to court. 123 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 5: Right now. 124 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 6: With respect to the process, once the charges get filed 125 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 6: this afternoon, Nick Reiner will be then brought to court. 126 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: He is going through medical clearance, something that everybody who 127 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 6: gets arrested and gets held in a Los Angeles County 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 6: Sheriff's Department jail goes through. 129 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 5: Once he is medically cleared, he will be brought to 130 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 5: court to be arraigned on these charges. 131 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 6: At that point he will enter a plea of guilty 132 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 6: or not guilty now. Prosecuting these cases involving family members 133 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 6: are some of the most challenging and most heart wrenching 134 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 6: cases that this office faces because of the intimate and 135 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 6: often brutal nature of the crimes involved. Rob Reiner was 136 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 6: a brilliant actor and director, an iconic force in our 137 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 6: entertainment industry for decades. His wife, Michelle Singer Reiner, was 138 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 6: inequally iconic photographer and producer. Their loss is beyond tragic, 139 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 6: and we will commit ourselves to bringing their murderer to justice. 140 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 6: I want to thank LAPD Chief McDonald, who is here 141 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 6: today along with Deputy Chief Allen Hamilton from the LAPD 142 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 6: and LAPD Captain Scott Williams, and the entire Robbery Homicide 143 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 6: Division who literally has been working around the clock to 144 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 6: gather the evidence that have led to the charges we're 145 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 6: going to be filing today. Also from my office, I 146 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 6: have Assistant District Attorney Maria Ramirez, I have Director of 147 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 6: Specialized Prosecutions, John McKinney. 148 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 5: I have our head Deputy of. 149 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 6: Major Crimes, Craig hum and I have the two prosecutors 150 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 6: who will be leading the prosecution in this case, Assistant 151 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 6: had Deputy of Major Crimes Habi Ballian and Deputy District 152 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 6: Attorney from Major Crimes Johnathan and Chung. They will bring 153 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 6: their decades of experience to holding this murderer. 154 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 5: Accountable for his actions. 155 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 6: At this point, again, you will hear in the media rumors, 156 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 6: you will hear speculation, you will hear hearsay. What I'm 157 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 6: asking everyone to do is to rely on trusted sources. 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 6: If it doesn't come from the District Attorney's office, from LAPD, 159 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 6: from the coroner's office, or from the courtroom itself, and 160 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 6: there's a good chance you are hearing misinformation because at 161 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 6: the appropriate time, the actual evidence involved in this case 162 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 6: will be presented in a court of law. 163 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 5: So I asked for your patience until that is done. 164 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: But again, please do not rely on rank, speculation, rumor 165 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 6: or hearsay to believe that you understand anything about what 166 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 6: went on in this case. 167 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 5: I now like to turn over to Chief MacDonald. 168 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 7: Thank you, good afternoon, and thank you all for being 169 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 7: here today. 170 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 8: And it's with deep sadness today address the tragic loss 171 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 8: of Robert Michelle Reiner. 172 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 7: On December fourteenth, twenty twenty five, LAPD. 173 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 8: Officers from our West Los Angeles Division responded to a 174 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 8: death investigation at the two hundred block of South Chadbourne Avenue, 175 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 8: which is in the Brentwood section of Los Angeles. Upon 176 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 8: entering the residence, they discovered the bodies of mister and 177 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 8: Missus Reiner. Detectives from our Robbery Homicide Division Homicide Special 178 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 8: Section immediately initiated a comprehensive investigation. The evidence gathered led 179 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 8: to the arrest of their son, Nick Reiner, who was 180 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 8: taken into custody later that night without incident, and the 181 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 8: Exposition Park section of our city. Today, the Los Angeles 182 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 8: County District's Attorney's Office has formerly filed charges against mister. 183 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 7: Reiner for the murder of his parents. 184 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 8: This case is heartbreaking and deeply personal, not only for 185 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 8: the Reiner family and their love ones, but for our 186 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 8: entire city. 187 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 7: We extend our deepest. 188 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 8: Condolences to all of those who are affected by this tragedy. 189 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 8: I want to take a moment to recognize and thank 190 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 8: our criminal justice partners, the District Attorney's Office led by D. A. Hockman, 191 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 8: and everyone who worked tirelessly on this investigation. Their swift action, professionalism, 192 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 8: and commitment to justice have been instrumental bringing clarity and 193 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 8: accountability to this case. The LAPD remains steadfast in our 194 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 8: mission to protect life. 195 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 7: And uphold justice. We will continue to support the. 196 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 8: Ryner family ensure that every step forward is taken with care, 197 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 8: dignity and resolved. 198 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 7: Thank you questions. 199 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 5: I guess right here in the front it's brain. 200 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 6: Could you talk about why you feel this case rises 201 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 6: to special circumstances? So special circumstances is a situation where 202 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 6: one of the enumerated factors that lead to elevating in 203 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: some ways a first degree murder case to a special 204 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 6: circumstance first degree murder case occurs. One of those special 205 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 6: circumstances is called multiple murders. Here we have to and 206 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 6: it qualifies under the definition of multiple murders to allege 207 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 6: the special circumstance in this particular case. 208 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: Jesus was Nick Runner found and was there any evidence 209 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: on him in particular bind that city? 210 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, he was found with good solid police work, investigative 211 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 8: tools used by Robberie, homicide and GET and Icotic Division 212 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 8: detectives with the US Marshal Service Task. 213 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 7: Force involved as well. So we're thankful for the work 214 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 7: that was done. 215 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 8: I won't go into talking about what was found or 216 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 8: anything that could potentially taint the investigation. 217 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: Given mixed history of drug use, was there any indication 218 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: that he was under the influence at the time of 219 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: his running? 220 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 7: No, thank you again, that's another question. I can't touch you. 221 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 5: Illness background, I'm sorry, Please repeat the question. 222 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 8: Is there any evidence of mental illnesses background beyond the addiction? 223 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 6: The evidence of any evidence if there is any mental 224 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 6: illness for his background will be coming out in the 225 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 6: hearings to that will occur. 226 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 5: We anticipate again. 227 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 6: After the arrangement, the process will go through the normal 228 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 6: process a case like this goes through at the appropriate time. 229 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 5: If there is evidence of mental illness, it will. 230 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 6: Be presented in court and in whatever detail the defense 231 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 6: seeks to do that. 232 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 5: Yes, it would. 233 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 9: Are you just maybe get any kind of significant delay 234 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 9: in bringing this case to trial on the basis perhaps 235 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 9: that they have to differ significant psychological evaluation, because would 236 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 9: also give your people what they need the way backgrounds, 237 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 9: but what might describe why as actions happens the way 238 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 9: they do. 239 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 6: We don't anticipate any significant delay more than is involved 240 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 6: in a first degree murder case with special circumstances. These 241 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 6: are some of the most serious charges that a DA's 242 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 6: office can bring against anyone. And we anticipate that the 243 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 6: discovery that we will produce to the. 244 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 5: Defense will be robust. It will be very involved. 245 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 6: They'll want adequate time to review it though again they'll 246 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 6: want to go through every single factor that they can 247 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 6: ascertain in the defense of mister Nick Reinder. So again, 248 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 6: this will proceed along the tracks that many of the 249 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 6: first degree murder cases to proceed. Do I anticipate it 250 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 6: being particularly fast, No, I anticipate it being very thorough. Yes, 251 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 6: right now, Charity, we are not at this time the. 252 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 5: RHINE will help with your investigations so far? 253 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: And did they provide any informational assistance which led to 254 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: being western? 255 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 5: I mean defer to the chief of this. 256 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 10: I have Deputy G. Fallon have Chief of Detectives. We 257 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 10: don't have any uh specific information. We're gonna release it 258 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 10: this time regarding UH the families information they provided and 259 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 10: as we move forward that that information UH will be 260 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 10: discussed in the appropriate venue, which would be the course. 261 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 10: Can you talk anything more about just not the condition 262 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 10: that was something arrested he a resident? 263 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: Was he walking around? 264 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 5: Has he observed from them, but never than anything on 265 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: the consultation. 266 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 10: So specifically, he was arrested in in in a public 267 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 10: area in the Exposition Park area near the University of 268 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 10: Southern California campus. He was approached by the officers and 269 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 10: he was arrested without incident. There were no indications that uh, 270 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 10: there was no indication that he was going to resist. 271 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: Or anything like that. 272 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 10: He didn't flee or anything like that. He was taken 273 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 10: into custody without UH issue and and he was transported 274 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 10: to are police. 275 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 6: Records take a question back there, Yes, found. He has 276 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 6: been alleged. One of these special allegations is that the 277 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 6: murder was committed with a deadly weapon or a knife. 278 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 5: As to where and how uh the weapon will be 279 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 5: was located or will be located. 280 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 6: That will actually be evidence we're presenting court. 281 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 5: Let me take a question over him. 282 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: You give us a timeline up when you think the 283 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: murders occurred, because now we know that there was an 284 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: altercation on Saturday night at a party. 285 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 5: Do we know that this happened Saturday night or maybe 286 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: Sunday morning. I'll defer to the chief one. We don't have. 287 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 5: We don't have. 288 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 7: I'm Sorry, we don't have that kind of specificity yet. 289 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 8: We're waiting the coroner to be able to try and 290 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 8: determine as best they can at this point in time 291 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 8: of death. 292 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: Chief Change Jeff McDonald, who called n Uh, let's we'll 293 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 5: take the question back the yes, can you tell us 294 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: who called nine to one one? 295 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 7: Chief Radio? 296 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: Okay? 297 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 10: So, in terms of how the Los Angeles Police Department 298 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 10: became aware, it was a request from the Los Angeles 299 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 10: Fire Department who responded to the scene. First, we responded 300 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 10: to their request for assistance at the scene of the incident. 301 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 10: Our initial Westly officers that responded determined that a crime 302 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 10: had occurred, and they immediately notified our Robert Homins Side division. Uh, 303 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 10: they've responded and they've taken over the investigations since that point. 304 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: I know you're always you're hesitant to talk about sensitive evidence, 305 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: but based on the evidence collected to support these charges 306 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: did then include an admission by the defendant to be 307 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: eleged crime. 308 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: So any statements maybe by the defendant at any point 309 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 6: in time would be the type of evidence we will 310 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 6: be presenting in court. 311 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: Let they take one. We'll take one question right here. Sorry, 312 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 5: I good question. 313 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 6: Hold on one second, I just identified this, gentleman. 314 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 9: We have an ultimated time for the preachure of the 315 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 9: auto information coming from the medliccignment, your alders and to 316 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 9: the techs and case. 317 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 5: We do not have the estimated time that it will take. 318 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 6: We know that they're working on it expeditiously, but as 319 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 6: to when they delivered, we do not have that estimated time. 320 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 5: I'll take that one last question. I was just wondering. 321 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 3: I know these types of cases are especially difficult. How 322 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: much do you take into account what the family wants 323 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: when it comes to charges when you're dealing with a 324 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: domestic situation like that, and does that factor into whether 325 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: you will go after life parole or possibly. 326 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 6: Dead in these cases, like like any of these cases, 327 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 6: we will take the the thoughts and desires of the 328 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 6: family into consideration in making our decision. 329 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 5: Thank you all very much. 330 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 11: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 331 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 11: six fording. 332 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: All right. 333 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: That was Nathan Hawkman in the La County District Attorney 334 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: announcing formal charges against Nick Reiner UH two charges of 335 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: first degree murder with special circumstances and on the table 336 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: is the death penalty yet to be determined, but you 337 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: can get life in prison without parole or the death 338 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: penalty when you have first degree murder convictions with special circumstances. 339 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: So uh, and first degree murder uh implies that there 340 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: was premeditation and the mystery uh surrounding this is the timeline. 341 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 6: Uh. 342 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they you know, they supposedly had an argument Rob 343 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: and Nick Reiner at the Christmas party. Uh. But there's 344 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: no indication what time the argument was, what time they 345 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: left the party, if they all left together in the 346 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: same vehicle, if Nick came with them to the family 347 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: home or came later separately. We do know he checked 348 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: into this hotel near the Cinamonica Pier at four am 349 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: and then checked out early. And when the staff went 350 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: inside the room late morning, they found blood in the shower, 351 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: They found blood on the sheets. So the assumption is, 352 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: unless somehow he snuck out nobody noticed, is he committed 353 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: the murder before four am, before he arrived at the hotel. Now, 354 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: the bodies were not found until after three pm by 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: their daughter roaming, So somewhere in that eleven hour period 356 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: or you know, maybe eighteen hour period going all the 357 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: way back to the night before. So all that stuff 358 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: has to be filled out, all right, we got some 359 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: details here New York Post. Rob Reiner and his wife 360 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: Michelle were dead for at least several hours, and rigor 361 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: mortis already appeared to have set in. Uh and when 362 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: Romey found her parents' bodies, there remains were in a 363 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: state of rigor mortis. According to law enforcement sources talking 364 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: to TMZ stated decay generally begins two to six hours 365 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: after death. So if all that's true, and again this 366 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: is law enforcement sources talking to TMZ, then that would 367 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: indicate that. 368 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: That they were dead. 369 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't doesn't really, it doesn't really answer the 370 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: question as to whether the stabbing happened in the middle 371 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: of the night or perhaps later. Now, Nick Reiner, we're 372 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna have the newscast in just a couple 373 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: of minutes, and we'll we'll flesh out Nick Reiner's background 374 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: some more. 375 00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 8: Uh. 376 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: Nick had obviously a gigantic struggle with drugs going back 377 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: to the age of fourteen, and from age fourteen until 378 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: age thirty two he did go to rehab, according to 379 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: multiple reports eighteen times, which is just staggering. There's a 380 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: little anecdote in the LA Times story today, because in 381 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen the experience was so traumatic and profound that 382 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: Nick and Rob Reiner made a film called Being Charlie, 383 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: and they went on a press tour. They were on 384 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: a video podcast promoting the film. 385 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: Again. 386 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: It was semi auto biographical of the famous father and 387 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: his drug addicted son, and Nick was asked why he 388 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: started taking drugs in the first place, and he blamed 389 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 2: the fame of his dad, Rob and his grandfather. Carl Reiner, 390 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: who older generations may remember, is a famous comedian going 391 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: back to the early days of television in the nineteen fifties, 392 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: and a famous director as well. He among his many accomplishments, 393 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: he created the Dick Van Dyke Show in the nineteen sixties. 394 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: So Nick, the son and the grandson of these two 395 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: entertainment giants, said, I had no identity and I had 396 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: no passions. And I think the reason I had no 397 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: identity because I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa, 398 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: and that fame sort of informs who you are. So 399 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to adge out on my own identity with 400 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: a more rebellious, angry, drug addicted sort of persona. We'll 401 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: talk more about this when we come back. 402 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 11: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 403 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 11: six forty. 404 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: We just carried Nathan Hoffman's press conference live and he 405 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: announced the charges against Nick Reiner for killing his parents, 406 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Reiner. And it's two charges of first 407 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: degree murder with special circumstances related to the knife, and 408 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: that carries life in prison or the death penalty. You 409 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: know that's going to be decided down the road as 410 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: the prosecutors deliberate over the case. And not a whole 411 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: lot of new information has come out beyond that. Now, 412 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 2: a lot of media outlets did a story about Nick 413 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: Reiner's background because there was a lot of material to 414 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: write about. This is not something I was aware of. 415 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: But in twenty sixteen, Robin Nick made this movie called 416 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: Being Charlie, and it was about a famous dad and 417 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: his drug addicted son, and it was semi autobiographical, and 418 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: they did a round of media interviews, podcasts, and that 419 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 2: seems to be where most of the material is coming 420 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: about Nick. And I mentioned one of the one of 421 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: the quotes before the news. I'll just quickly read it 422 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: again if you're just joining us. Nick was asked by 423 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: the host why he started taking drugs and said, well, 424 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: in effect, my dad is Rob Reiner, extremely famous and accomplished, 425 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: and my grandfather is Carl Reiner, extremely famous and accomplished 426 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: in the previous generation. Actually they overlapped. They both had 427 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: movies at about the same time over the years. And 428 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: Nick shows up and quote, I had no identity, I 429 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: had no passions. And I think the reason I had 430 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: no identity because I have a famous dad and a 431 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: famous grandpa, and that sort of informs who you are. 432 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: So I want to edge out my own identity with 433 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: a more rebellious, angry, drug addicted sort of persona, and 434 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: that's out of the La Times. Wall Street Journal went 435 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: into his background and found that an interventionist got involved 436 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: for the first time when he was fourteen years old. 437 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: He was on this podcast called Dopey about substance use 438 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: and recovery, and over the years he was on the 439 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: podcast a number of times and described being in and 440 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: out of rehab at his parents, urging his parents, watching 441 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: him do cocaine and heroin, and at one time his 442 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: father tried to console his son after he woke his 443 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: parents up during an acid trip, and when Dick said 444 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: on the podcast in twenty sixteen. 445 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: I've got a spit. 446 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: Polished older brother who looks like me but just does 447 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: everything right. And I have a sister who went off 448 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: to college. He didn't go to high school or college. 449 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: Nick instead went to a wilderness program in Utah. He 450 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: also went to all these rehabs, eighteen of them, which 451 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: I still stunned by. And he lived on the street. 452 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: He was homeless in you know, all these different states, 453 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 2: like bug Main And he says the question I love 454 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 2: to hear is you come from a background like this, 455 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: how could you ever get into drugs? This is he 456 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: said this when he was twenty two, ten years ago. 457 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: It's like, well, gee, I mean, I don't even know 458 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: where to start. And there's a lot of quotes from 459 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people over the years who said he 460 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: was a good guy, and he probably was a good 461 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: guy when he wasn't whacked out on the drugs. Now, 462 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: how much mental illness led to the drugs? This is 463 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: always like a chicken and egg situation, and it reflects 464 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: what's going on the streets with all these crazy mental 465 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: patients and drug addicts running around. In some cases, their 466 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: mental illness led them to drugs because they're taking drugs 467 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: to quiet all the voices in their head, all the 468 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: demons in their mind. Or sometimes they get on drugs, 469 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: the drugs start doing brain damage and that creates the 470 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: mental illness that creates the demons. You know, it's it's 471 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: a it's a terrible cycle, and one feeds into the next. 472 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: So he's has a problem all all his life. I mean, 473 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: you know, if he's if he's taken drugs at fourteen, 474 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: if he needs an interventionist at fourteen, that means he's 475 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: been taking drugs for over twenty years, you know, going 476 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: back before maybe before puberty. Uh And and because you know, 477 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: there must have been a lot going on mentally in 478 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: his head that he was trying to quiet. None of 479 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: this is an excuse, uh there. I mean, it's the 480 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: most horrific crime. And you know, to repeatedly stab your 481 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: mother and father to death, the rage and the anger 482 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: in that, and it's it's premeditated to some extent, which 483 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: is why those first degree murder charges, even if if 484 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: it's just a few hours of premeditation. It wasn't having 485 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: an argument, suddenly pulling out a gun and firing a bullet. 486 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: This is to do it twice to do it to 487 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: both of them. 488 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: That's uh, yeah, he's got to be locked up forever, 489 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: there's no question about it. Although you've you've got to 490 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: believe that the attorneys are looking at some kind of 491 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: mental illness or or defective mind defense. What you know, 492 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: there's variations on this in every state. I don't know 493 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: exactly what California has, and they're usually really difficult to 494 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: prove and they're often not right. One of the let 495 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: me see one of the podcast host guy's name is Mannheim. 496 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm just thumbing through these articles here. Yeah, Dave Mannheim 497 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: and Chris O'Connor. These are the hosts of Dopey and 498 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: like one of the two hosts died of an overdose 499 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. They recorded four conversations and Mannheim said 500 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: he had probably ten total conversations over the years, and 501 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: he said Reiner was struggling with recovery one time they spoke, 502 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: and he wasn't interested in twelve step work. I know 503 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: he'd been to treatment, I knew he was involved in writing. 504 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: I knew he'd loved to play pickup basketball in New 505 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: York City. I believe he was interested in spirituality, but 506 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: he says, big picture, we're Europe against Rob Reiner and 507 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: Carl Reiner and you're a struggling drug addict. The pressure 508 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: is immense because how accomplished is anybody at the age 509 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: of twenty four. Now, he could write, and he did. 510 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: He did write Being Charlie, which is the movie he 511 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: made with his dad. He had once destroyed oh. Nick 512 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: Reiner said during another appearance on The Dope podcast that 513 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: he had destroyed his family's guesthouse while spun out on uppers, 514 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: and he once suffered what he called a cocaine heart attack. 515 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: So whether he took some bizarre set of drugs before 516 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: during after the party. They said at the party he 517 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: was acting weird. He was running around. There were a 518 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: lot of famous people at the party because it was 519 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: a Conan O'Brien's house. It was a Christmas party, and 520 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: he's running up to them and saying are you famous? 521 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: Are you famous? Repeatedly, and everybody's backing away. It's like, 522 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: what's this weirdo? And at one point he walked up 523 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: to Bill Hayter, the comic, and he interrupted him, and 524 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: Hayter looked at him and said, I'm in a private 525 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: conversation and Nick Reiner just stood there and stared and 526 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: then stormed off, and everybody was rattled because I guess 527 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: he gave them this angry, prolonged death stare. So there 528 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: must have been only one of two things. Are both 529 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: either had a total psychotic mental breakdown or the drugs 530 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: were both happening at the same time. And they took 531 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: him to the party because the mother had been very 532 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: worried about it. They didn't want to leave them alone, 533 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: it looks like, and so they took him to the party, 534 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: and then he freaked out at the party and he 535 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: and his dad got into a big argument, supposedly. I mean, 536 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: we'll find out what's true and what's not. It's really 537 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: hard to trust the early coverage stories like this. All right, 538 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: coming up after two o'clock, we are going to talk 539 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: with Royal Oaks about this, he's the ABC News legal analyst, 540 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: about the specific charges here and what could happen next. Again, 541 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: it's two first degree murder charges. And at three o'clock 542 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: we got Mark Garrago's coming on. Yes, not about this case, 543 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 2: but he is representing a Pacific Palisades homeowner who's filed 544 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: his own lawsuit. I guess separate from the thousands who 545 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: have filed a mass lawsuit. And we have Roger Bailey 546 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: on frequently eight. He's not part of that specific case, 547 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 2: but his own case. So we'll find out what Mark 548 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: Geragos thinks about LA's response to the fire. 549 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 11: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 550 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 11: six forty. 551 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 2: Want to follow us to social media, It's at John 552 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: Cobelt Radio at John Cobelt Radio and Moistline eight seven 553 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: seven Moist eighty six from Friday eight seven seven Moist 554 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: eighty six are usually talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. 555 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us and. 556 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: You wonder what's happened in the Robin Michelle Reiner murder case. 557 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: The son Nick has been charged well, charge has been 558 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: announced against him by the DA Nathan Hockman, and it's 559 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: two first degree murder chargers with special circumstances because he 560 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: used a knife and that carries life in prison without 561 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: parole or the death penalty that's going to be decided 562 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: later on Royal Oaks from ABC News is going to 563 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: come on with us right after Brigida's news and talk 564 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: about the legal aspect of this case in terms of 565 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: the of the charges, like what differentiates one degree of 566 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: murder from another, what the special circumstance indicates, what the 567 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: likelihood of the death penalty is. All that stuff we'll 568 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: talk about with Royal Oaks, ABC News legal analysts coming up. 569 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: Uh. 570 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: The brad University, you know, they had they had a 571 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: shooting and they haven't gotten a suspect yet. They rested 572 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: somebody and then let them go quickly. So it's been Saturday, Sunday, Monday, 573 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: Tuesday now and they don't know who it is and 574 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: they don't have much of a clue. This guy brought 575 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: a gun onto a college campus and his face was 576 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: caught and he was dressed in black, and they have 577 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 2: video and photos from security cameras, but you can't tell 578 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: who it is. And he walked into a classroom, rooms 579 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: one sixty six of the Barrison Holly Building. Students were 580 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: in there. It was a final exam review session for 581 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: ECON one ten, Principles of Economics, and they fired forty rounds, 582 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: killed two people, wounded nine more, one student still in 583 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: critical condition. There was no police. Now, Brown Ivy League, 584 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 2: God knows what that that. It's probably like eighty ninety 585 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year for tuition. They have a tremendous 586 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: amount of money, billions of dollars in an endowment. Apparently 587 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: it didn't spend enough money on security cameras and they 588 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 2: had no police or campus security to confront or follow 589 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: the shooter, so he got away. There is some video 590 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: of him walking off the campus. They have no clues 591 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: to his identity or his motive, and as far as 592 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: we know, he's still at large, and there's if you 593 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 2: if you look at the surveillance footage, there's nothing distinguishable 594 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 2: about him. But they they don't have cameras, or at 595 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 2: least not enough cameras, and the cameras are not are 596 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 2: not high resolution, which is really shocking because I don't know. 597 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 2: I think in this building, what is there a camera 598 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: about every every eight feet? There are you probably passed 599 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 2: through hundreds of security cameras a day. And the mayor 600 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: Providence on Sunday night says, at this time, we have 601 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 2: no actionable information from video. We're looking State Attorney General 602 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 2: Peter Naranha said, if there was a piece of video 603 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: where we could show you a face and say this 604 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: is our person of interest or a suspect, you'd have it. 605 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like that the building they 606 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: were in was an old building connected to a new building, 607 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: and somehow the video cameras quality video cameras didn't make 608 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: it to record the action at the old building. They 609 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 2: have eight hundred cameras at Brown University, but they didn't 610 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: have anything useful in this building, which everybody is stunned by. 611 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: We're just used to having seventeen different angles of a 612 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: crime being committed or somebody escaping and getting their identity 613 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 2: very quickly, like in the Charlie Kirk killing, and the 614 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: district attorney said there or as the Attorney General said, 615 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: there's wasn't a lot of cameras in at Brown building. 616 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: We're not holding back video that we'd think is useful. 617 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: With all the money they have and all the school 618 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 2: shootings that have went on and all the bayhemn that's 619 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: gone on on Ivy League campuses, with the protests and 620 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 2: the violence and the Palestindian nonsense. Wow, that's pretty stunning. 621 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was possible. I would have thought 622 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: that it Brown, every square inch of land there would 623 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: be covered eight different ways with the highest resolution color 624 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 2: video slow motion that you could you could zoom in 625 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 2: and practically see a guy's DNA, but they didn't have it. 626 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: And now they're sitting on their thumbs because they don't have. 627 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: A clue to who this guy was, and they don't 628 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 2: know where he is, could be anywhere in the world. 629 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 2: So he's, uh, it's gonna well, we'll see, can't make 630 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 2: any predictions. Roy LAK's coming up next about the charges 631 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: being filed against Nick Reiner and Brigidia di Castinos live 632 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: in the CAFI twenty four our newsroom. 633 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 634 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 635 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 636 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.