1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: It's a sad thing to say, but that's classic Andrew Cuomo. Um. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people in New York state had received 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: those phone calls. Uh, you know, the bullying is nothing new. UM, 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: I believe Ron Kim, And it's very very sad. No 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: public servant, no person who's telling the truth, should be 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: treated that way. So this guy Ron Kim in New York, 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: a Democrat who had come forward and you know, and 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: and criticized the Andrew Cuomo's office for clearly lying about 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: how many people they killed with their bad policy, says 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: that Cuomo called him up and threatened to ruin him, 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and so he went, you know, on the record with 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: that to the press. Cuomo came out and said I 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: never said anything the same. And then a whole bunch 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: of politicians came out yesterday, including that guy there. You 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: just heard the freaking mayor of New York, build A Blasio, saying, oh, yeah, 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: we've all been on the end of that kind of 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: bullying from Andrew Cuomo. I know I have, So I 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: absolutely believe um. Mr Kim to me, I found that 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: just stunning. So this guy and his family was able 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: to run rough shot over New York for all these 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: years treating people like this and keep it a secret 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: moral less? How does it Scott been just a little 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: bit of the feel of the mob? How does how 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: do you? How does that stay secret all these years? 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: Let's talk to Lan hit Chen. David and Diane Stephy, 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: hosted the fabulous podcast Crossing Lines with Lan hit Chen. 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: He joined us, now here are you, sir? I'm doing well, 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, gentlemen. I just wonder, in general the way 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: politics works, what's the leverage the Cuomo family had over 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: people to where they could treat people that way and 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: have such enemies but still succeed. How does that even work? Well? 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: You know, there's all saying power corrupts, and absolute power 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: corrupts absolutely, and I think when you have a regime 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: that's been a big part of state politics and a 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: big part particularly the Democratic Party machinery. You know that 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: the interesting part of this is that Cuomo is not 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: beating up on Republicans, right, I mean, he does, he 39 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: doesn't fair share that, but he's beating up on people 40 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: in his own party, and he uses the leverage that 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: he and his family have. He uses the fact that 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: they have a tremendous amount of influence and state politics. 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: And this goes to the problem with dynastic politics in 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: our country, these dynasties that think they're entitled to stay 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: in power. And it goes beyond that. It goes from 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: dynastic power to the problem with one party rule when 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: you have one party that's been in charge of a 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: state for as long as Democrats have been in charge 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: of New York. And by the way, it's not just 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: a New York thing, it's an Illinois problem. And yeah, 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: it's a California problem. When you have one party that's 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: been in charge for as long as it has this 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: is what you get. You get bullies, you get thugs, 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: you get people like Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo's dad, Mario Cuomo, 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: was governor, mayor governor back. Yeah, and and of course 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: you know Cuomo's brothers on CNN every night. So it's 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: it's not just politics, it's the politics media industrial complex 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: in the state of New York that has perfected that 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: has continued to to allow uh Andrew Cuomo to perpetrate 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: the things he's been perpetrating. And you know the fact 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: that these stories are just coming to light now. Really, 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: no one should be surprised at his behavior. Well, I 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: appreciate Jack being repulsed by that sort of politics, because 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: it is repulsive. But as a guy who grew up 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: right next to Mayor Daly's Chicago, the idea of brutal 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: bullying and machine politics is pretty familiar. Hey, I understand 67 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: there there are a lot of factions within New York politics. 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm not really hip to New York state of politics. Long, 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: he do you know much about that? Yeah, I don't 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: follow it as closely, but I've heard that much from 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: from from folks who I know out there to follow it. 72 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: There's a you know, there's a Cuomo line. And and 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: you'll remember, actually back in when Bill Clinton ran for president, 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people thought Cuomo was going to be 75 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: the nominee of the Democratic Party that year, and it 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be this you know, Arkansas, no name 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: governor who nobody had ever heard of before. And it 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: turns out, I mean, some of the stories go that 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Cuomo was brought down by some elements of the Democratic 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: machine in his own state because there were elements of 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Cuomo who who weren't part of that Cuomo line who 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: didn't like him and decided that they wanted to help 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: take him out. So yeah, it gets pretty nasty out there. 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: But you know, that's the thing these one party politics 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: in states like New York in California. It can get 86 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: pretty nasty within the Democratic Party in these states. That's interesting. Well, 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: it's got to be about faction and personality because it's 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: not about policy generally speaking, if you have one party rule. 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: And obviously, and obviously they think are like de Blasio 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: and others think Governor Cuomo has damaged enough that they 91 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: can be honest. All of a sudden, the Blasio saying, oh, yeah, 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: I've been on the other end of those phone calls 93 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: many times. Everybody has well, and bear in mind, the 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Blasio and Cuomo hate each other. They they have had 95 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: a difficult relationship for many years, and the Blasio and 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: Cuomo have had a number of really awkward news conferences 97 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: where they basically set each other lias sit next to 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: each other like, you know, too passive aggressive, uh, you know, 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: former spouses, and it's it's very, very, very awkward interaction 100 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: between the two of them. A Lani channel, the Hoover 101 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: Institution is on the line. Meanwhile, on the other coast 102 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: you have lunkhead governor of California, Gavin Newsom, who it's 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: looking like is going to be recalled. What do you 104 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: make of that? Well, people are are upset with him, 105 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: and you know, the funniest thing that I hear is 106 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: when Newsom and his defenders argue that this is some 107 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Republican plot something. I know a lot of people who 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: live in in my part of California is very progressive 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: part of California otherwise, are very supportive of Democratic politicians 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and democratic politics who are just fed up with Gavin 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Newsom because of his incompetence. And it has to do 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: with not being able to get done the basic blocking 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: and tackling, you know, things like can you run a 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: system that gets people who need unemployment compensation that compensation 115 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: without giving money to a bunch of crooks? You know, 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: can you actually administer a vaccine program that's not worse 117 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: than the vaccine program that exists in you know, at 118 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: least half of the other shape and you get the 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: schools open, you know, instead of instead of bowing continuously 120 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: to pressure from special interests, can you actually do what 121 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: it takes you know, to grow up, actually lead and 122 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: get the schools open so we can stop denying a 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: generation of kids the education that they need and deserve. 124 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff that really picks people off. 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: And it's not a Republican thing. It's not a Republican 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: thing at all. I think his incompetent stems from the 127 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: fact that he's incompetent. Is that really what happens? Well, well, yeah, 128 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: the Eastern media elite just say he was damaged by 129 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: dining at the French laundry during his own show down. Well, 130 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: that absolutely was kind of a pivotal moment. But the 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: the administration has done enough right for those of you 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: who are listening in the rest of the country, the 133 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: the Newsome administration has fumbled everything. Their list of victories 134 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: is empty. They're still waiting for number one. Their dryer 135 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: race board has the number one on it, nothing else. 136 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: I was wondering, since since you've worked with you know, 137 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: pretty successful candidates, you know, working on Marco Rubio's campaign 138 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: and Ramy's campaign and stuff like that, how we identify 139 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: these these these politicians early on and think that guy 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: could be presidents someday and then we're so wrong. Like 141 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: like Rick Perry was so not ready for the national stage, 142 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and Gavin Newsom was so not ready for the state stage, 143 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: let alone the national stage. What goes on there with 144 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: this the not recognizing what's underneath, the veneer of of 145 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: looking presidential. Well, I don't think Gavin Newson was ready 146 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: to be on the stage for a fourth grade class play, 147 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: being on the stage to be considered a presid central candidate. 148 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're right. What happens is media hype develops. 149 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: You know, you you've got a guy who's something that Yeah, 150 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean people people think, oh, here's a guy who's 151 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: reasonably good looking, he can string together a sentence and 152 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: a coherent saw it every once in a while. Uh yeah, 153 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: let's make this guy president. And by the way, you know, 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Newsom has a tremendous amount of personal wealth, and I 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: think that contributes to the conversation as well. Anytime you've 156 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: got someone who gets into politics, who's reasonably successful at 157 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: some level and also has a lot of cash, they think, oh, 158 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: here's someone who could be president. And and really what 159 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: it goes to is we need to do a much 160 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: better job of evaluating what our leaders are and are 161 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: not doing if if, if, if Newsom had not been 162 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: confronted with crisis, he could have skated right through and 163 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: who knows, he may have been a leading candidate for 164 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: the president. What what what crisis does is it forces 165 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: us to test our leaders, and it forces us to 166 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: see who can lead and who can't. And Newsom has 167 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: failed miserably at that task. And he's not the only one, 168 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: by the way, Andrew Cuomo, We've talked about a few 169 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: of the other governors who've done a horrible job. Uh. 170 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: We really are able to see those who succeed and 171 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: those who fail in a very real way. And it's 172 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: an awful thing because people have suffered through this crisis. 173 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: But it does allow us to see who who can 174 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: lead and who can't. And I think that's a very 175 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: very important part of this whole episode. We need to 176 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: take from it. Well, now I'm gonna have to fist 177 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: fight Jack during the commercials for bringing this up, but 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm ready to do it. I've been reading about Rhonda 179 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: Santis in Florida. He's done a really good job speaking 180 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: of governors, and people are starting to buzz about him. 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: In any early take. You know him, deal know his 182 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: act is is he one of those golden boys who 183 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: is about to turn rusty or what? Do you think? 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't know him. Well, I've followed what he's done 185 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: in Florida and and the answer is he's he's tried 186 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: to follow what the scientists told him, but also his 187 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: his instincts about what the state needs, what the state's 188 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: kids needs, and what the state's businesses need. And they've 189 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: tried to balance between, you know, trying being safe, keeping 190 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: people safe, but also trying to get Florida reopened. And 191 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: I think by and large he's done a pretty good job. 192 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's been some hiccups, but you know, that's 193 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm sure Governor Desantus would say, 194 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: look look at my record. Look at my record to 195 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: determine if I'm ready to lead or not. And that's 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: something I wish more politicians would say, is take a 197 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: look at my record, not just the good parts, but 198 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: but all of it, and make a decision based on 199 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: everything I've done, do you think I'm worthy of leading 200 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: or not? And you know what, not everything is gonna 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: be good. But I'll bet you if you look at 202 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: Ron de santiss record and you compare it to what 203 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom r Andrew Cuomo have done. Rohn de Santus 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: comes out pretty favorably, you know, so I'll take I'll 205 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: take that bet any day of the week. It's faint praise, 206 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: but that might be the appropriate phrases we look for 207 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: future leaders. Lani Chen David and Diane Stephie fellow in 208 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, host of 209 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the podcast Crossing Lines with Lanchlan. He thanks a Milian, 210 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: Always great to talk, great to do with you guys. 211 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: Thank ye. I'm glad I brought any of that stuff 212 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: up that there's some really interesting takes on that. Oh yeah, Lon, 213 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: He's always just a terrific Are we maturing as a 214 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: society to a point where maybe we can look past 215 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: the well they look good on TV and have a 216 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: clever line, So maybe they should be the most powerful 217 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: person in the world based on that. Avery voters, Uh 218 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: maybe a two thirds WI not a half whis He's 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: absolutely right if there hadn't been a crisis, everything cruises 220 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: along economies decent blah blah blah. Normal stories are in 221 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: the news. Gavin easily cruises to top tier discussion among 222 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Democratic candidates, right, just based on BET's hole like adoration 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: from the media. Didn't have to do anything, just just 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: stood there and looked pretty or creepy, depending on who 225 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: he has. And now he's going to get recalled as 226 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: governor and his political career is over. Yeah, yeah, you 227 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: know what it would be interesting, Well, it will be 228 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: interesting to follow is California is so utterly corrupt and 229 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: ungovernable and mobbed up in one party and the rest 230 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: of it. I don't know if if God Almighty himself 231 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: could be the successful governor of California, it may just 232 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: be too big and messy and corrupt. I'm I'm still amazed. 233 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: I know you grew up with corrupt politics, so you're 234 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: you're not surprised by it. But that Andrew Cuomo could, 235 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: in the modern era where people leak phone calls and 236 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: texts and all kinds of stuff like that, still call 237 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: up people and threaten them, just flat out threatened them 238 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: and get away with it. I will lend your career. 239 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, it's time's up to good. Thank God. 240 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: In the whole Cuomo family, it would sound like, yeah, 241 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: they don't teach you this as a kid, but the 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: government is every bit as much forget about it. It 243 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: is as it is, and I'm only Bill. You know, 244 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: it's both forget about it.