1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, twenty two year old young mom. 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: She has one child, a baby girl. She's about to 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: have another baby already named Braxlin Sage, and what we 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: are learning is one of the most shocking cases I 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: have ever seen. Take a listen to this. Twenty two 6 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: year old mom, Reagan Hancock and her husband Homer are 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: expecting the birth of their second child in November. Reagan 8 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and Homer have a three year old daughter, Kenley Grace. 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Reagan is very public about her life in general, posting 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: on social media about her husband, her daughter, and of 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: course the upcoming addition to their family. She posts photos 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of her ultrasound on Facebook, then posts another update saying, 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: some of you know, some of you don't, but we 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: are having another sweet baby girl. We cannot wait for 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: our Braxln Sage to be here. Daddy is definitely outnumbered. 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: You're hearing Dave mac from Crime Online dot Com. I'm 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: listening to what she's posting on Facebook. Guys, let me 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: introduce to you an all star panel with me to 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: of all, North Carolina family law attorney and I always 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: marvel at the name family Law that makes it sound 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: so cozy and sweet and kind. It's anything, but you 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: got to be a tiger to get in the ring 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: between two people in the middle of a divorce. That's 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: what family law is. Kathleen Murphy joining me, North Carolina 26 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Therapist to the Star, 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst. Joining me. Karen Smith, LA 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: California Forensics expert Lecture University, Florida, and the host of 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcast dot Kendall Crowns, a deputy medical examiner 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Travis County. That's Austin, Texas, and special guests joining me 31 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: from wc IV ABC four and Emerson you know first 32 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Bethany. You remember when I was pregnant 33 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: with the twins and I would save every ultrasound. I've 34 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: got them right now. Some are in a photo album 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: and some are still in my Bible where I would 36 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: put them and pray about the twins because it was 37 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: very touch and go whether the three of us would 38 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: live or not. And I'm just thinking about this. Mom 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: to b Reagan Hancock posting her actually's choking me up 40 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. Posting her ultrasounds just so proud and happy, 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: and she had already picked out a name for the baby, 42 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful name. Braxln Say, Braxlin Say to 43 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: have one three year old daughter, Kinley Grace, and the 44 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: next was Braxlin Sage. Now you know, Bethanie. They put 45 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time and thought into this, because I 46 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: can tell by the spelling it's Kinley k y n 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: l e e Grace. Kinley Grace is their three year 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: old girl. The baby to b Braxln Sage b r 49 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: a x l y n. And it sounds like they 50 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: put together family names and came up with Braxln Sage. Nancy, 51 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: You and I have covered so many stories about women 52 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: who do not bond with their babies, who throw their 53 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: babies in the trash, flush them down the toilet. For 54 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: whom the baby is an it, not a person, not 55 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: this family. This is not that kind of a crime story. 56 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: This is a woman for whom the baby is a person. 57 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: From the moment of inception. She is pregnant and bonded 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: with this baby. This baby is already a part of 59 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: the family. She has a three year old. Can you 60 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: imagine her letting the three year old pass the tummy 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: and hug her and say, your baby, little sister is 62 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: in here. This baby is loved, wanted and being welcomed 63 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: into the world from the moment she knew she was pregnant. 64 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's hardwired into all of us to want 65 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: to survive, and bonding with our babies is a part 66 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: of that hardwiring. Sometimes it goes awry with some of 67 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: the crimes you cover. Oh no, not this family. And 68 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: this is an intact family, parents who are married, extended family, sonograms, pictures. 69 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: The word wanted keeps coming to mind. This is in 70 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a world of so much misery in twenty twenty, this 71 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: is a wanted baby, a mother who wants to bring 72 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the baby into the world. You know, Kathleen Murphy Family Law, 73 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: you're joining me out of North Carolina. I was just 74 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: right before I got in the chair. I was just 75 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: talking about how my twins are about turn thirteen. I 76 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: can't believe it, and I'm already bemoaning, not in front 77 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: of them, that I've only got about six more years 78 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: with them before, God willing, they make it through high 79 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: school and they get to go to college. And I 80 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: was moaning and complaining that I don't want them to go. 81 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: I mean I do. Part of me, of course, wants 82 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: them to go to college and be free and successful 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: and all that, but the thought of them not being 84 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: in my life. I mean, my point is your love 85 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: for your child. It's unlike anything I've ever known, and 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: it starts with the baby in your stomach. It really 87 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: did for me. Anyway. I have four Nancy, and I 88 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: only have one left at home, and one of my 89 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: daughters has a one year old already, and I just 90 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: feel so bad for this family. And you know, Bethy 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: said something about the families an intact family, and I 92 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: deal with a lot of families that are involved in 93 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol and separation and divorces. To see that 94 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: this child was with their mother and father, an in 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: intact family and have such a close relationship with extended families, heartbroken. 96 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine this poor little child growing up 97 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: without her mama. I'm just so sick about the whole thing. Guys, 98 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend 99 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Dave Matt at crime online dot com. Friday morning, around 100 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: ten am, a Texas trooper pulls over a speeding driver. 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: As he approaches the car, he asked the driver why 102 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: she's in such a rush. The woman, twenty seven year 103 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: old Taylor Parker of Simms, Texas, says she has just 104 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: given birth and her newborn baby, which is in the car, 105 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: is not breathing. The trooper immediately goes into life saving 106 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: mode as he performs CPR on the baby and calls 107 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: for an ambulance. EMTs arrive and the baby is rushed 108 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: to the nearest hospital, mccurt Memorial Hospital in Oklahoma. The trooper, 109 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: EMTs and doctors all do their best, but the little 110 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: baby dies in the emergency room. Meanwhile, a doctor checks 111 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: out Taylor Parker and quickly knows the twenty seven year 112 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: old is in serious trouble. She's in serious trouble. All 113 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: right again, guys, this is Crime Stories, and I want 114 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. You know, there 115 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: were times when I first started prosecuting felonies in inner 116 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: city Atlanta. At the beginning, I would try to sugarcoat facts, 117 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: airbrush them because I thought it was just too much 118 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: for a jury to take in. I learned very quickly, 119 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: and I learned it the hard way too. I I 120 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: had an aggravated assault, armed robbery of a stripper, a 121 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: stripper was the victim, and I thought, wow, you know, 122 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't care, but I've got this deeply religious lady 123 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: on my jury, and just to fright, she may hold 124 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: it against a stripper that she's just stripper. So instead 125 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: of asking the stripper on the stand, you know, what 126 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: do you do for a living? I just said, well, 127 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: what do you like to do in your spare time? 128 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: And where do you go to church? And it didn't 129 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: take ten minutes for that jury to figure out she 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: was a stripper. I learned the hard way because I 131 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: almost lost credibility with the jury. I didn't got a conviction. 132 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: But long story short, these facts sometimes are very very 133 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: difficult to take in and for me to even talk 134 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: to you about, but they are the truth and I 135 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: learned that day in front of that jury you cannot 136 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: hide from the truth. And what happened to Reagan Hancock 137 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: is not what you would want for anyone, much less 138 00:08:52,600 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: a mother to be climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 139 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about just a gorgeous twenty two year old 140 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: young mom. She has one child, a baby girl. She's 141 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: about to have another baby already named Braxlin Sage, and 142 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: the family looks for all at all the normal places. 143 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: You know, did she go to the grocery store, did 144 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: she go down the street, did she go to her 145 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: mom's house, did she go here? Did she go there? 146 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Because as much freedom as we have, haven't you noticed, 147 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: Karen Smith's joining me, forensics expert and host of Shatter 148 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: Soul's podcast, that even though we're free to go wherever 149 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: you want in this great country of ours, we still 150 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: operate in a little I mean I hate to even 151 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: get on the interstate, much less when I'm with the Twins, 152 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: we operate in an area with which we're familiar. That's 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: just human nature. Yes, Karen, I love taking the Wins 154 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: on camping trips all over the country. I love hitting 155 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: the trail and hiking and going out in the RV 156 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: and camping under the stars. I love it. But in 157 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: my regular life, I got school home. We're at school home, church, 158 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: we're at school home, we're at school home. I mean, 159 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: we have a territory. I guess you'd prefer to it 160 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: as and she was in none of those places. Karen Smith, 161 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: That's right. We have our bubble. Everybody does. And when 162 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: we were in police training, don't stop at the same 163 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: coffee stop, don't park your car in the same place. 164 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: You have to change up that routine and it's a 165 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: safety issue well as human beings, we don't do that, 166 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: and it's really hard to get out of those patterns 167 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: and then listen to this. After leaving the hospital, troopers 168 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: here reports that a pregnant woman was murdered and her 169 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: baby taken from her womb, not far from where the 170 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: speeding driver had been stopped earlier. Police returned to the hospital, 171 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: where the doctor tells them the woman did not give birth. 172 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: Officers arrest Taylor Parker, who immediately confessed to the murder 173 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: of Reagan Hancock and the kidnapping of Braxlin. Sage asked why, 174 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: she reportedly tells officers that she told her boyfriend several 175 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: months ago that she was pregnant and they even had 176 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: a gender reveal party. Parker has two children, ages six 177 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: and ten, and told officers she didn't know Hancock that 178 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: well and only knew her by her first name. You 179 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: know what, I'm almost speechless straight out to our special 180 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: guest and Emerson joining me WIV ABC four, and I 181 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: hardly know where to start. Let me marshal my thoughts. 182 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: I understand that Reagan's mother walked into the home and 183 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: what happened. She saw this grizzly murder of her daughter. 184 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: She finds her daughter's body and because there is so 185 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: much obviously it is such a grizzly scene because this 186 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: she she sees that she has has shed bleeding profusely 187 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: and um and at that point, of course, the baby 188 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: has already been cut out of her her the the 189 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: suspect had forcibly cut the feat us from her womb. 190 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: But we also have reports that her daughter had been 191 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: beaten and stabbed to death as well. So it was 192 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: a grizzly, horrific scene that she must have come up on. 193 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: From what we understand, there were two more members of 194 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: the family who came in right afterwards, and that's when 195 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: the call was made to police. Of course, the nine 196 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: one one call to police to uh to come come quickly. 197 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: Now that's when this started a whole, a whole series 198 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: of events, of course, because in real time we have 199 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: another woman being stopped as we just heard. Yeah, you 200 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: know what, you know what. Anne Emerson joined me WIV 201 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: ABC four. When it was first reported by Dave Mackett 202 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Crime Online, he said a doctor checked out Taylor and 203 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: Morton and quickly knows the twenty seven year old is 204 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: in serious trouble. Many people would have believed that means 205 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: medical trouble, right, because she's got the baby girl, the 206 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: infant newborn in the backseat, not breathing, covered in blood. 207 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: They rush the baby, they try to do CPR, and 208 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: the baby they rushed to the hospital. They take her 209 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: to the hospital and the doctors say she Taylor Parker, 210 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, is a serious trouble. At first, 211 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: you think from giving birth she's gonna die too, But 212 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: that's not what they meant, Anne Emerson, is it absolutely not. 213 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they're starting to realize that she never gave birth. 214 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: That's when she's checked out there. She's showing no signs 215 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: at giving birth, So why does she have a baby 216 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: who is not being in the back of her car. 217 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: So as soon as they get there, they realize, as 218 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: real time starts playing out, they've got two events that 219 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: are happening very close to each other. She is over 220 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: that Oklahoma line from what we understand from police, but 221 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: that is not far from what just happened. This very 222 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: very grisly murder with Reagan Hancock and the discovery that's 223 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: just been made. By one pm. Of course, the suspect 224 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: is already in custody with police, and it's too much 225 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: to take in. The mom walks in and she sees 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: her twenty two year old daughters home covered in blood, 227 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: and there is Reagan, who is over seven months pregnant 228 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: dead to doctor Kendall Crown's deputy medical Examiner Travis County, 229 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: that is Austin, Texas, a renowned medical examiner. I might 230 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: add doctor Crowns. When I was giving birth came an emergency. 231 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: The twins were extremely premature, and I remember Doctor Crowns. 232 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told you this. I was 233 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: in such bad shape, David. My husband dropped me at 234 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: the front door of the hospital. You couldn't part there, 235 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: of course, so he left to go part the car. 236 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I walked in, Doctor Crowns. I went about three or 237 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: four steps. I couldn't walk anymore. I laid down under 238 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a bench in the reception area of the hospital, like 239 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: the lobby where everybody comes in and out, and laid 240 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: under the bench. I can hardly I remember it, but 241 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: I can't quite remember it. You know, I must have 242 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: been out of my mind to lay on that floor 243 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: under a bench. I mean, can you even imagine Jackie 244 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: me walking into a hospital and going in. I could 245 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: not stand up anymore. I could not even make it 246 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: to the desk. And I'm just thinking about this young 247 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: mom over seven months pregnant, and someone taken advantage of 248 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: her this way. She couldn't even fight back. I'm working 249 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: out to a point, not a grounds. And it was 250 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: such an emergency that we had to have a C 251 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: section right then, right then. And I remember I couldn't 252 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: see everything that was happened, but there was a lot 253 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: of blood. I remember that doctor Kendall Crowns describe what 254 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: that scene would have been like and why. Okay, so 255 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: usually pregnant women have a higher circulating amount of blood 256 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: than your average person. Average person has around two to 257 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: three leaders of blood, so to say, so several pop 258 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: bottles of blood circulating in their system. I given, when 259 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: you say several, what do you mean by that? Like 260 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: two to three leaders. So if you get a Leader 261 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: soda bottle at the grocery store I came from, I 262 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: call that a super bottle. Oh, a super bottle. Every 263 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: region is different. I call it a Leader pop bottle. 264 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: But everybody's different. The thing is is you have a 265 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: high amount of circulating blood, so they are cutting into 266 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: the individual to take out the baby. The just the 267 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: mere stamping into the abdomen, I was going to start 268 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: causing massive amounts of hemorrhage. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. 269 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: Guys are talking about the death of a gorgeous young 270 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: mom twenty two years old. She's got one baby, girl, 271 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: a taught and she is seven months pregnant with her 272 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: next baby. Braxland Sage back to doctor Kennel Crowd's Deputy 273 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Travis County. That's Austin, Texas. You were saying 274 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: the uterus is highly vascular. Now break it down. I'm 275 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: just a JD. I'm not an MD like you, but 276 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: I think that means has a lot of blood vessels. Yeah, 277 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: that's correct. It has a large amount of blood vessels 278 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: to go to the uterus, and especially when a woman 279 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: is pregnant, there's a lot of blood going to the 280 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: to the uterus to supply the baby with nutrients and oxygen. 281 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: So when you get into the uterus, it begins bleeding profusely, 282 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: and then as they're trying to rip the baby out 283 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: of the mother. They're also going to be tearing the 284 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: placenta as well, which is another very vascular, highly a 285 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: blood vessel organ. And the placenta is like a balloon, 286 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: like a blanket balloon, a balloon made of a I 287 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know how to say it. Would you say the 288 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: placenta is I always think of it as like a 289 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: soft cushion around the baby, but it's made up of 290 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: blood tissue. Is that right? That's a good way of 291 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: describing it. And it protects the baby and feeds the baby, right, 292 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you can explain it much better than may. 293 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: They did not teach us in criminal law, so go ahead, yeah, correct. 294 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: It protects from mild plunt trauma and not from stabbing trauma. 295 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: Then it provides blood, oxygen and nutrients to the baby 296 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: until the baby is born. So if they're ripping that open, 297 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: they're also tearing them senseless. So that's all going to 298 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: cause a great amount of hemorrhage that's going to come 299 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: out of the mother and spill out onto the floor. 300 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: It'd be like opening up one of your super bottles 301 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: and just pouring it all over the house, and then 302 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: opening another one and pouring it all over the house. 303 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: So it's incredibly bloody and incredibly messy. These these people 304 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: that ripped babies out of people's stomachs like this create 305 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: an incredibly bloody scenes and they're they're horrifying. It's like 306 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: walking into a bomb that went off that was full 307 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: of blood. You know, doctor Colonel Crowns, that's my fault. 308 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: I asked you, and you tell me never asked me. Yeah, 309 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: no idea, because you'll tell me the exact truth. I'm 310 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: looking at her right now. She's just so happy, and 311 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: she's so excited about the baby, knowing that she's pregnant. 312 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: And in the picture she looks like she's looking up 313 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: thinking about the baby, and she's you know, superimposed hearts 314 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: all around it. And I'm just thinking about the horrible, 315 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: gory crime scene that doctor Kendall Crowns just described. And 316 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: you know what, I was disappointed, Jackie that the mom 317 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: couldn't join us today. Reagan Hancock's mother was joining us, 318 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: and then right before we went to air, she was 319 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: so overcome with grief she just couldn't keep talking. And 320 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: in a way, doctor Kendall Crowns, in a way, I'm 321 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: glad because for her to hear what you just said 322 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: would be just devastating. Of course she saw it. She's 323 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: the one that walked in, isn't that right? Anne Emerson WCIV. 324 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: Didn't her mother get to the home first? Yes, And 325 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: she actually posted about it on go fund me thunderings 326 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: and that's how we learned and that's how it was reported. 327 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: She said that she walked in on the scene and 328 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: then was closely followed by two more two more family friends. 329 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, she was not alone for very long. What 330 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: does she is that, Kathleen going at Kathleen, it's Bathanny. 331 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm just thinking about the 332 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: fact that two mothers lost her babies. I mean, it's 333 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: like those Russian dolls, a doll and a doll and 334 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: a doll. It's like loss compounded by loss. And you 335 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: can you imagine this Taylor Parker who rips a baby 336 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: from Reagan Hancock. She thinks she's going to be a mother, 337 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: but she plunges a knife into another woman's belly, not 338 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: even knowing if she's going to hit the fetus or 339 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: hit the baby, thinking that she's going to care for 340 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: that baby. Let me talk about the maternal instinct gone awry. 341 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: This Taylor Parker would in not so psychotic. It's so 342 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: in the moment without regard for life in general. It's 343 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: the opposite of what it means to be a mother. 344 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: It's like the anti mother. You know, doctor Bethany, You're 345 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: so right. And now the perp of the alleged perp, 346 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: Taylor Parker already had children. I want to follow up 347 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: on something, doctor Kendall Crown, said, deputy medical examined Travis County, Texas, Austin. 348 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: When you are cutting into a stomach, of course, I 349 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: know that doctors don't cut up and down. I think 350 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: they used to maybe, but now they do a cut like, 351 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe three or four inches horizontally at 352 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: way down on the stomach. And what I'm trying to 353 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: figure out is, if you are not a medical doctor 354 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: and you are cutting into someone's stomach, how do you 355 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: not cut the baby. It's really hard because they're the 356 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: babies literally less than a quarter inch or millimeters from 357 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: the skin surface. So when they're cutting into them, they 358 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they're risking cutting the baby as well. It's 359 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: it's a it's amazing that they don't end up cutting 360 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: the baby, and often they do cut into the child 361 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: as well when they're in there, they're trying to get 362 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: the kid out, so it's it's you know, they're not 363 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: they're not skilled surgeons. When they're doing it, it's just 364 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: brutal and it's messy, and if they they often make 365 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: the mistake and cut the child as well. Nancy, go ahead, Nancy, 366 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: it's Anne Emerson. You know. It was something else that 367 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm we've been trying to sort of reconcile from the 368 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: reporting standpoint, is that when Taylor Parker was found by 369 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: the police, she said she just knew her by her 370 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: first name, that she she thought they were the same age. 371 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: And then you have um on the PayPal fund set 372 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: up for four Reagan. By Um, the mother says that 373 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: that Hancock and her on board baby were selfishly killed 374 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: by someone Reagan considered a friend. In fact, her mother 375 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: called the murder a satan and flesh, which really resonated 376 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: with zachro Batany what she was saying about this anti 377 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: mother sort of um persona. And it's just interesting to 378 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: me that there's still two stories out there right now 379 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: that are that are being reported. One from the mother 380 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: who said, actually she knew her very well, um, and 381 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: we're trying. We're now, of course going to find out 382 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: as as as we investigate this. I know the Texas 383 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: Rangers are investigating this. How well did she know her 384 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: or did she think she knew her because she was 385 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: on social media crime stories with Nancy Grace? How did 386 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: this happen? Who is this Taylor Parker, a twenty seven 387 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: year old mother of two? What more do we know 388 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: about her? Let's hear our friend Kate Johnson, CBS eleven. 389 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: Dallas police are investigating after a woman was found dead 390 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: in her home after her unborn child was removed from 391 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: her womb Friday morning. Police in New Boston, which is 392 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: about twenty four miles west of Texas Arcana, say they 393 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: responded around ten twenty in the morning. The woman was 394 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: found dead inside the home. The child also did not survive. 395 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Police say they arrested a female suspect in Oklahoma right now. 396 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: Details are limited, but the New Boston Police Department and 397 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers are investigating. And here is Doug Warner. KSLA 398 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: twelve police and Idabelle, Oklahoma, have arrested a woman accused 399 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: and a vicious attack on a pregnant woman in New Boston, Texas. 400 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: Again a warning, some of the details of this case 401 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: are extremely disturbing. It happened at a home on Austin Street. Now, 402 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: sources tell KSLA a woman forcibly removed the fetus from 403 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: another woman's womb. Those sources tell us the pregnant woman 404 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: has died. Police in Oklahoma say the woman who allegedly 405 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: attacked her showed up at a hospital in Idabelle with 406 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: the fetus. That baby has also died. That female suspect 407 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: has been arrested, charged with murder of the unborn child 408 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and kidnapping. More charges are likely. Reagan Hancock, twenty two, 409 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: was seven and a half months pregnant, found by her 410 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: mother and her New Boston home. There in Texas, she 411 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: already had a daughter, A taught But to you and 412 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: Emmerson w CIV, ABC four, what can you tell me 413 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: about the alleged killer who I assume is going to 414 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: be charged with double murder? Taylor Parker? What do we 415 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: know about her? Well, it's what she says she knows 416 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: about this other woman, Reagan Hancock. We do know that 417 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: she has reportedly confessed she had told her brother or 418 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: her boyfriend that she was pregnant. In fact, there are 419 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: reports that she'd had a gender revealed party for her 420 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: that she was pregnant, and then the suspect had already 421 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: had two children. Wait wait, wait right there. Karen Smith, 422 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: forensics expert lecturer University Florida, hosted Shadowsl's podcast Wait Till 423 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: a Jury. Here's that as part of her grand charade, 424 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: she had already had a gender reveal party all the while. No, 425 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: she's not pregnant. I mean, did her plan to murder 426 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Reagan Hancock and take her baby go all the way 427 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: back to the gender reveal party? I probably formulated there. 428 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, now she's told a blatant line. This is premeditated, Nancy. 429 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: You know she was stabbed. Where did the knife come from? 430 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: This is not something that was just at the spur 431 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: of the moment. This was the planned murder for her 432 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: to take this baby and try to pass it off 433 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: as her own. We've seen this before, and you know 434 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: what really disturbs me about this whole thing is that 435 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: it happened in this young woman's own home where she 436 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: thought she was safe. And apparently this Taylor Parker must 437 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: have known her better than just knowing her first name, 438 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: they were the same age. I don't buy it. I 439 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: don't buy it at all. This was premeditated. This was slammed, 440 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: and she thought she was going to get away and 441 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: she didn't. Nancy, if I could jump in about this, Yeah, 442 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: this is the most common m O. When a woman 443 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: attacks another pregnant woman and rips the baby from the tummy, 444 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: you almost always see that it began nine months earlier, 445 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: ten to eleven months earlier, where the perpetrator has either 446 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: had what we call pseudosiasis, which is a false pregnancy, 447 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: meaning that she wants to be pregnant so badly that 448 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: her tummy actually begins to grow. Yes, I've treated as 449 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: patience for home that has happened, or they have faith 450 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: a pregnancy to get attention. You and I covered a 451 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: story many years ago, probably ten or fifteen years ago, 452 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: of a woman who wanted a baby so badly she 453 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: actually bought a prosthesis so that she would look pregnant, 454 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: and then she threw herself a baby shower, and you 455 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: know it put out on Facebook into the entire community 456 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: that she was pregnant. But then then it gets to 457 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: the point where the woman is supposed to deliver and 458 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: there's no baby, and I'm never quite sure if the 459 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: plan is hatched from the moment the perpetrator pretends to 460 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: be pregnant, or if they tell themselves that they're pregnant, 461 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: and then when there's no baby, they have to procure 462 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: one to either hold on to the love of the 463 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: boyfriend or the husband, or to save face in the community. 464 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: It's a very very complex and multilayered brutal attacks on 465 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: pregnant women. You know, we've even heard of somewhere they 466 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: will prey on pregnant women by pretending to be giving 467 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: away baby clothes and cribs and strollers and things like that, 468 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: just to lure in the pregnant woman in an unsuspecting 469 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: kind of way. Doctor Bethany Marshall, you read my mind. 470 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut number four Natalie Martinez 471 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: NBC five. Chicago prosecutors alleged that the Figaroas lured nineteen 472 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: year old mom to be Marline Ochoa to their Ashburn 473 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: home with the promise of baby clothes for her unborn son. 474 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Having met before Ochoa showed up on April twenty third, 475 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: Desiree admittedly distracting Marlin with a photo album of Clarissa's 476 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: adult son who died naturally two years ago, Bennon. Clarissa 477 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: wrapped a cable around her hands and then wrapped it 478 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: around the victim's neck from behind her. The victim attempted 479 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to stop defending Clarissa and was able to place her 480 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: fingers between her neck and the cable. At that point, 481 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: defending Clarissa told defendant desiree quote, you're not doing your job. 482 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: Prosecutors say Clarissa got on top of Marline, continuing to 483 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: strangle her for up to five minutes. Having researched how 484 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: long it takes for someone to die that way, they 485 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: allegedly cut baby Yovanni from Marlin's body, stuffed her in 486 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: a plastic bag and a hidden garbage can outside. Clarissa 487 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: claimed the baby, with some bilical ordon placenta attached, was hers. 488 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend accused of helping to hide the murder and 489 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: evidence at the home where tonight a memorial grows. In 490 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: that case, Marlin Achoa was lured by the promise of 491 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: cheap or free, gently used baby clothes, and it was 492 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: there she was murdered. The baby taken from her stomach, 493 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: but the one I think you're talking about to doctor 494 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall is another case. Listen to Chris burg KVY 495 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: Channel eleven TV Fargo. The thing is she was a homebody. 496 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: She was eight months pregnant. You know, she was uncomfortable 497 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: at that her feet were swollen. That's you wouldn't leave anymore. 498 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: She always got mad at me for leaving by myself. 499 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: She would never go anywhere alone. So was she at 500 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: your house at one thirty on Saturday? And she just 501 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: left for running heir in or lives with me. She 502 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: went to help a neighbor and right upstairs. That's the 503 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: last we've heard from her, from her seeing her or 504 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: her from her since I'm as seeing you and your 505 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: authorities have spoken to this neighbor. And what's the neighbors 506 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: say that she left? That is about Savannah gray Wind 507 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: listening to Angelie McCall Debuda ytvni's Fargo. God, we have 508 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: a miracle. Can we have a disaster? All in water? 509 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: The search went full speed ahead. Hunt spent hours scouring 510 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: the region, going in groups to cover as much ground 511 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: as possible. Day eight, Sunday, a second crime scene was 512 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: set up. What searchers had been looking for was found. 513 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: The kayakers in the river discovered what appeared to be 514 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: a life or a body sized object wrapped in plastic 515 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: in the river, hung up on a log. Those who 516 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: had stayed optimistic finally letting go of any hope of 517 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: finding Vanna Aline Savannah Graywind as well as Marlin Showa, 518 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: both victims of the same type of murder. To you, 519 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: Ann Emerson, what is the status of Taylor Parker, age 520 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: twenty seven Now? From what we've been told, she has 521 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: been she had confessed to the crime and was being 522 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: held and Texas Rangers are still investigating how this happened. 523 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that this type of crime is increasing. 524 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Bessie Marshall, I still don't get the motivation. I mean, 525 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: if you don't succeed, do you just try again with 526 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: another pregnant lady? You know what, Nancy, These women are obsessed. 527 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember a patron of my practice, maybe 528 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: about twenty years ago, who was so obsessed with having 529 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: a baby. That's all she could talk about. She thought 530 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: about it, she dreamt about it. Now, this woman, interestingly, 531 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: had never had a love relationship, had never had sex, 532 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: She was very immature, but she was so preoccupied with 533 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: having a baby, that she recruited her own mother to 534 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: come into the therapy and to plead with the mother 535 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: to help her find a man. So we think of 536 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: like Ochoa, who she and her mother conspire together to 537 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: kill the perpetrator often and then the boyfriend comes in 538 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: and conspires These women who are so desperate to have babies, 539 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: they often recruit the entire community. And as I was 540 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: saying earlier, in reality, it has nothing to do with 541 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: the unborn baby, because, as the medical examiner pointed out, 542 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: when they slashed the woman open hip to hit bone, 543 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: they barely miss the baby. This is about procuring an 544 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: object to control, not about a baby to love, and 545 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: procuring the love of the community in a sick twisted way. 546 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds for the double killer, confessed 547 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: Taylor Parker, age twenty seven. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.