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Speaker 1: Did you finish school? I didn't turn in my thesis.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned Marty Jones.

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Speaker 1: Oh while, I mean, I'm mister Jones is from sort

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Speaker 2: And so did you guys write it like, Man, this

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Speaker 1: We really can see this happening to us. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: shit together, man, because like, if we were rock stars,

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00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 1: it would be a lot easier to talk to women.

434
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 1: Everything would be better, you know, it would be kind

435
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: of great. I just thought that was kind of funny,

436
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: the thought of it, because you know, you it's not

437
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: just because the girls in a corner. You know, you

438
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: dream about things like if you're gonna write songs. You

439
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: dream about being able to do that with your life

440
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: and support yourself, and you know, we're spending this evening

441
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: with this Manco troupe and David Serva his dad is

442
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: like a famous guitar player over in Spain, and Kenny's

443
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: in the corner, and you know, it's just what we

444
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: wanted to do with our lives, plus the girl thing.

445
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: But it also occurred to me how silly that is.

446
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: It's like, nothing like that solves all your problems in life.

447
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work that way. You know. It may

448
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: be great for some things, it's not going to fix

449
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: who you are. And I got home at night and

450
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: I was sort of thinking about, like how the whole

451
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: thought process was so funny to me in it and

452
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: I wrote the song? Was it one of those that

453
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: fell out? Yeah? Pretty much? Really. I mean I don't know,

454
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, well anything wrote it all that night, anything

455
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: in front of in front of five hours? It was

456
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: almost like falling out. Yeah. I think most of my

457
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: songs back then were probably less than five hours. I

458
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: get really determined and just sit there and do it

459
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: until it's done.

460
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 2: Whenever I think about me in college and those really

461
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: formative years for me listening to music, I probably listened

462
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: to more than any other body of music the across

463
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: the Live Wire You Guys's Live Album, I mean, I

464
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: could tell you now my favorite band, uh Counting Crows.

465
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: I can do every even spoken part of that.

466
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: You know, some people have movies some people and for

467
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: mine it's that And even at the end, I like

468
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: to think Dog's eye view.

469
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: You know you're doing the the river.

470
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: It's so But I listened to that so much that

471
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: if you were to say, what's the music you listened

472
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: to in those formative years, it made you musically who

473
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: you are today. If I ask you that question, what

474
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: did you listen to so much at eighteen to twenty

475
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: two or twenty three, You're like, yep, that's what reminds

476
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: me of those years.

477
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: I listen to a lot of Rim Youtwoe probably the time,

478
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: still probably listening to a lot of Jackson five. That's

479
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: my first record. I don't think I've really stopped listening

480
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: to that Roxy music around then too, Jay Gile's band

481
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: p Funk. I don't know, it's hard to remember it right.

482
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: At that one time, I was thinking of you two

483
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: and Rim because I specifically remember there's a few things

484
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: in my mind that are Needledrop records where I literally

485
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: remember when you put the needle on the record and

486
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: how it started and I have very clear memories of

487
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: like being that freshman year in college and listening to

488
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: Chronic Town that first rim ep and War putting the

489
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: needle down, and hearing Sunday Bloody Sunday. Like I remember

490
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: those two really, And I remember going to the Roxy

491
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: Music concert right around in that last tour. Do you

492
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: ever see Jackson five? Yeah, that's my first concert too.

493
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember it? Were? You told a lot about

494
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: it now vaguely. I was probably about six. It was

495
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: a rodeo in Texas and they played at it. I

496
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: went one day and saw the Jackson five. My sister

497
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: went the next day with my parents and saw Sonny

498
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: and Chaer.

499
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: I would have Rodeo was still doing that too, by

500
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: the way, same kind of deal where it's somebody different

501
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: and awesome every single day.

502
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'd have been happy with either one

503
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: of those. But the Jackson five that was. I have

504
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: vague memories, but I'm sure they're really mixed in with

505
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: TV clips of the Jackson five. You know, I'm sure

506
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: it's not really a memory because it's a long time ago.

507
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 6: Now.

508
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: If you get famous, there's all the social media that

509
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: comes at you. And I've had different smaller ish type

510
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: events where it's just like wow. But when you blow

511
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: up in the nineties and two thousands and fame is

512
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: not able to get to you through those means. How

513
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: does fame get to you if you're allways on the

514
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: road moving around?

515
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: Is it just crowds? Is it just people? Well it

516
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. We'd been on the road for

517
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: a while before it happened, really, and it had been building.

518
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: You know. We played Saturday Night Live in January of

519
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: ninety four and we weren't even in the top two hundred.

520
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, mister Jones was kind of a hit on

521
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: the radio, but it wasn't making any impact anywhere the record,

522
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was two fourteen or something. But

523
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: we played Saturday Night Live and it jumped forty spots

524
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: a week for five weeks, and we ended up in

525
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: the top I don't know, thirteen, then six, and then

526
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: two for the next two years. So but I didn't

527
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: really see, you know. We were on the road on

528
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: our own for a while at Christmas, and we seemed

529
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: to be a kind of a hot indie band for

530
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then we went back to opening

531
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: for Cracker and then in April, we went to Europe

532
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: for our first European tour and we were gone for

533
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: the month of April, and we flew back from Europe

534
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: and landed in New Orleans right before JazzFest. And I'd

535
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: been going to jazz Fest for years, so I'd spent

536
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: a lot of time in New Orleans as a fan. Yeah, yeah,

537
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: because we weren't before the band. Really, this was my

538
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: first time at JazzFest after the first record was out,

539
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and I went to the festival the first day after

540
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: we got there and got mobbed. I the things that

541
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: had been building that spring and winter had happened. It

542
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: had kind of all coalesced while we were in Europe,

543
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: so I didn't realize it.

544
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Were you surprised by the mobbing? Yeah, scared the crap

545
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: out of me. It's just like when someone waves you

546
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: and you wave back when you realize they're somebody behind you.

547
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: They're waving at Yeah, somebody are running to them. Somebody

548
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: wanted to pick her and an autographed or something. And

549
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: then the crowd just gathered and gathered and gathered and

550
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: gathered and didn't stop. And then later that night we

551
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: played Tippatinas and you know, fit's about eight hundred one

552
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: thousand people in Tipatinas and there were two thousand people

553
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: outside on the neutral ground in the street. They kind

554
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: of had to close off the street and we went

555
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: outside after the show they had to open They opened

556
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: like they had the wall doors that slide out, I think,

557
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: and they opened them up so the crowd outside could

558
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: hear too. We went outside to play a couple of

559
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: songs acoustically for them after the show, and there was

560
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: just massive And that's when I realized, like it happened

561
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: while we were in Europe, and so whatever build up

562
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: there was going to be, we missed it, and it

563
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: just we just landed in this thing. Isn't that crazy?

564
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: It was.

565
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Really weird. I mean that the next, you know, a

566
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: few months were very strange. I remember being on tour

567
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and being in Birmingham and having a day off and

568
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: deciding there was like a movie theater about four blocks

569
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: from the hotel and I walked down and I was

570
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: watching this movie. There's no one in the theater but me.

571
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: It was weird. It's like an afternoon matinee or something,

572
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and this guy comes walking down the aisle and then

573
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: walks up the row and sits next to me, and

574
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, a whole empty theater says right now.

575
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: He said, hey, I'm a really big fan. I was like, thanks, man.

576
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: He said, do you mind if I sit here. I'm like, look,

577
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to watch movie. If you don't mind,

578
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: I just I just want to watch a movie, you know.

579
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: And he got up and left, and about forty five

580
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: minutes later, saw a guy come down the island, come

581
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: down the road to me again, and I was like, god,

582
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: damn it, and but it wasn't the same guy. It

583
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: was the guy that was working the concession stand out there,

584
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, are you in counting crows? And

585
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I said yeah, and he goes listen. I don't know

586
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: what's going on, but there was some guy in here

587
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: before and for the last half hour he's been on

588
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: the payphone in the lobby calling people. And there's a

589
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: huge crowd outside. You know. If you want to get

590
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: out of here, there's like a door at the bottom,

591
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: like a alley exit. And I said yeah, thanks man, and

592
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: I snuck out the alley and walk down the street

593
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: and then I heard this noise behind me and I

594
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: turned around. There's this massive crowd of people out the

595
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: front of the theater and they all start running and

596
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: I ran, like I just ran down the street, got

597
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: to the hotel, like ahead of this crowd. It was

598
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: just a little while after jazz Fest.

599
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: You didn't even have the infrastructure to be because it

600
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: all happened.

601
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: While you were gone.

602
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: You didn't know you landed, it's here, and you didn't

603
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: have security. You didn't have anything to make make sure

604
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: you're even safe.

605
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: No, never really got any of that stuff either. We

606
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: never really I had a lot of friends in bands

607
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: who had security. We never really got security out with

608
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: us or any of that stuff. It just seemed like

609
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: you could sort of avoid It didn't seem to make

610
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: sense to me. Walking around with some huge guy next

611
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: to you. It seemed to invite more attention than anything else.

612
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: I never really got into that, even now at the

613
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: over the Hill Age. Now, I mean, I don't know,

614
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I never really did the security thing, but yeah, I

615
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: mean I was just completely unprepared. But there's the truth

616
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: is everybody's unprepared. There's no way to be prepared for

617
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: that because it's just like everybody start It's not like

618
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: you really do anything. Everybody else just starts acting really weird,

619
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and there's no way to prepare for that. It's just

620
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: like waking up on Mars. You know you could. You'll

621
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: get used to the gravity after a while, but it

622
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: takes a bit.

623
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: What's the best Counting Crow song ever? In your opinion?

624
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't know your opinion. It's a very vague, open

625
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: quite but what comes to mind first?

626
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: Well, I think Palisades Park is probably the thing I'm

627
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: proud of st of. But I also think that Long

628
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: December is a perfect song. Long December is the only

629
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: song I've never not wanted to play like I don't

630
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm happy to play that every night. I have been

631
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: happy to play that every night. I don't think I

632
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: can say that about any other song. There's no other

633
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: song we play every night, but I never mind playing

634
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: Long December. There's something perfect about it and timeless, and

635
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of. Like the Pallisads Park was really

636
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: hard to write, and it's a pretty epic thing. I'm

637
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: really proud of. Its complicated, it's a height of my

638
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: art form. But Longcember is perfect. Did you feel that

639
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: way when you fish Long December? Yeah? It almost more

640
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: than any other song. That one kind of wrote itself.

641
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: It just felt like I knew where to go with

642
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: the chords. I knew exactly what it was supposed to

643
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: sound like. The entire song was written and recorded in

644
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: under twenty four hours. Just that's like take six. Do

645
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: you know overdubs, do you write melody or lyric first?

646
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Or how does your brain work with music? Because you know,

647
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends have like have this idea,

648
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: this is the lyrics. Well some offriends was to go

649
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: and they'll just attach the words after they do the melody.

650
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: What is your process. I've never written lyrics first for

651
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: a song. Always melody first.

652
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Or music first. It usually starts with either the music's

653
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: there first or the music and the words come at

654
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: the same time. But yeah, I've never written lyrics first

655
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: because I don't think i'd be able to. Like, to me,

656
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing without the music, so the lyrics kind of

657
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: are born at it the music.

658
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: So like when you wrote along December, unless you did

659
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: it at the same time, you know, duh, piano's playing

660
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: and you don't really have your it's just music, and

661
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: then you back listen to it and you're then you

662
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: attach n.

663
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: I think I just did that at the same time

664
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: I got the I mean, I may have written, once

665
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I had the music down written the rest of the words,

666
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: but I'm I think I got that verse right there.

667
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm a super fan.

668
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: You probably can't tell, like, I'm so cool right now

669
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: and like just chill, and I'm also you know, just cool,

670
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: playing it cool, right.

671
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: I guess you ever weirded out by super fans? You

672
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: ever weirded out by people that are too fan too

673
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: fan of you? Yeah? Cool, That's why I'm playing it cool,

674
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I'm playing it cool.

675
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: Well.

676
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: Also, it's like I kind of feel like I always

677
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: want to tell people you should listen to some other

678
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: stuff because there's I mean, for me, I love music.

679
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: It's been my whole life. I've I spent you know,

680
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: the first half of my life as a you know,

681
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: the first twenty years is just a fan of everything.

682
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I just love music. And then I started making music,

683
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: which is great too, And I remain someone who's obsessed,

684
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: geekily loves music and I just want to shake people

685
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: sometimes and go, now, yeah, this is great. I love

686
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: my records, but you should check out these guys. These

687
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: guys are great, and these guys and these guys and

688
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: these guys, and there's just so much. I don't think

689
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: I could spend all that time listening to one thing.

690
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: I just I love I think our band is great,

691
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: but it's mostly just that I kind of want to

692
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: like sit them down and say, you seem really great,

693
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you obviously have great taste, you like us that you

694
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: know you should check out these guys.

695
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: You know. I had a real problem with and I

696
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: loved Hard Candy your album, but I'd have to skip

697
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: to the like you go to the hidden track. I

698
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: could hold that the forward button down on the CD

699
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: player that finally would get to do it finally come up,

700
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: and it would be the Jonny Mitchell song Ohyah they

701
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: gellow Taxia is they hidden track? When I first bought

702
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: the record, and I was like, I only knows about

703
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: this song just because any of my other friends are

704
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: lame and they don't spend the time holding that button down.

705
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: You gotta hold you can't push it, you gotta hold

706
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: it like middle so it skips or you have to

707
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: just let it play forever to get to it. And

708
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: it was like boom, it starts, and I'm like, you

709
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: guys don't even know what You're missing I'm Cooler than

710
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: You boom, and then it comes out as a single

711
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: and you had a Vanessa Carlton And then I remember

712
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: the video she wasn't even with you guys, and I

713
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: was hurt which part that she wasn't with you in

714
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: the video because they probably recorded it two different times.

715
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: She was probably on tour. We were on tour. Yeah,

716
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how I felt about that.

717
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: How did that come about?

718
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: Because I felt, as a hardcore fan that I was

719
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: the one that knew the secret that nobody else knew,

720
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: and then everybody got letting it on the secret.

721
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: We had kind of this hip hop acoustic version that

722
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: we did of Big Yellow Taxi Guy couldn't earn the

723
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: name right then, and then we wanted to try and

724
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: do like some remixes of it, and so we went

725
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: try and find some people like Pharrell, Jimmy Jam and

726
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: Terry Lewis. I really wanted to do it with Jimmy Jam,

727
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: but they were busy when we were doing it. They

728
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: couldn't do it right then. You know, it was like

729
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: an acoustic track we recorded. It was just going to

730
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: be hidden on the end of the record. And when

731
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: we decided to do a remix version of it. It

732
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of came sort of late. Ron Fair, who was

733
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: an A and R guy at Geffen then but had

734
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: also just finished producing Vanessa's first album, and I had

735
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: heard some of it because he had mixed it with

736
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Jack Joseph Puig right before we mixed Hard Candy, so

737
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: Jack was playing me stuff from it and I thought

738
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: it was really good. But we had to leave for

739
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: like some tour in Europe right after we were done

740
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: with that, and Ron called me and said, hey, I

741
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: have an idea for I know you're trying to find

742
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: someone to remix this song, so you're actively looking for

743
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: someone else to be on the track. Yeah, because we

744
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: wanted to do not someone to be on it, but

745
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: we wanted to do a remix of it. So we

746
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: never got to do that kind of stuff, like working

747
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: with hip hop producers to take our music and just

748
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: change and do something different with it. And Ron called

749
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: and said, I have a really good idea for this.

750
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: Would you mind if I sent it to you? Could

751
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: I try and do this? And I said sure, go ahead,

752
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: and he sent it to me and it was actually

753
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: really good, so I said, yeah, let's work on this,

754
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: so he started doing it, but I had to leave

755
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: to go to Europe about you know, a little while before.

756
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: We had a tour in Europe before the record was

757
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: coming out, so we were out of the country and

758
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Ron med ICs in London. He'd almost finished it and

759
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: we laid down some more tracks. I changed the ending

760
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: and sang some stuff on it, and then we wanted

761
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: to have some woman sing on it as well, and

762
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: we were talking about Norah Jones. We were talking about

763
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: some different people. I suggested Vanessa because I knew I

764
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: couldn't be there, and I thought it would be pretty

765
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: intimidating for someone to sing on one of our tracks,

766
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't want someone to do some kind of flat,

767
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: boring version of it. But Vanessa had just finished doing

768
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: a record with Ron, so I thought she'd be really

769
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: comfortable in the studio with him, even though she was

770
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: a kind of an unknown artist. I said, why don't

771
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you do it with Vanessa? This gro so a thousand

772
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: miles I had hit yet. I don't think it had.

773
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: The record wasn't out yet because they were mixing the

774
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: same time we were, so maybe it had just come out.

775
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it wasn't the monster hit. No,

776
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: she I don't think anyone knew who she was. I

777
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: just thought, I need to find someone who'll be comfortable

778
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: without me being there, so they'll let go and really sing.

779
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: And I knew she could really sing. I was just

780
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: afraid someone will be too shy and they would do

781
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: bland stuff, and so I suggested this woman he'd just

782
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: worked with. So he went and did that. But then

783
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Geff and got on this. They needed to turn the

784
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: record in right away and they didn't have time to

785
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: finish that, so we At first it was not supposed

786
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: to be a single. It was supposed to be a

787
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: single like a year later. So that's why we put

788
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: it as a hidden track. So we put it out

789
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: on the first pressing and hidden. And the idea was,

790
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: after we go through all the other singles on a record,

791
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: if we want to put out Big Yellow Taxi, there'll

792
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: be another pressing. We'll actually list it on the record,

793
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: it won't be hidden anymore. But then two weeks notice

794
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: came along the movie and said we want to use

795
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: this song in our film and we want to put

796
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: it as a single. We'll make a video, we'll do

797
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff and so the song came out long

798
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: before it was supposed to the problem with that is

799
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: it was still a hidden track on the record, so

800
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: no one knew it was there.

801
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Except for me, who got mad that my secret was

802
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: input out. You're the only one I should have told everybody,

803
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: because the problem was.

804
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: How did you How did you know, Bobby that there

805
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: was a hidden.

806
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: Track, because it wasn't every freaking second of the whole

807
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: album over and over again and it says the time

808
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: remaining on it. Yeah, It's like I just held it

809
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: down to get to the end of the track and

810
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: then it would start.

811
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I Mean. The idea for me was always that people

812
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: forget your CDs on and that it would just like

813
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: surprise them, you know. Uh. The problem was the song

814
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: came out and it was a massive hit, but it

815
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: didn't do anything for the record because it was still hidden.

816
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: So people would come to the store and they didn't

817
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: buy hard candy because it's not on the record, you know.

818
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: So it was actually I get why Geffen was so

819
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: excited about having the movie to promote it, and they

820
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: were really in a rush to put out another single,

821
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: but it sort of backfired on them because backfired on

822
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: all of us because it didn't do anything for the record.

823
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: It was a massive hit that did nothing for our

824
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: record at all because no one knew it was it

825
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: was still yeah. I mean, it was supposed to be

826
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: out a year later, when it wouldn't have been hidden

827
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: on a different pressing, and Vanessa would have been on

828
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: it by then and all that stuff, but none of

829
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: that happened.

830
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: I got five questions left the Shrek song, which is

831
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: how a lot of kids would know you accidentally in love.

832
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Was that written purposefully for that movie or was it

833
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: a song that you guys or that you had already

834
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: had somewhat and thought this will be right, let's, you know,

835
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: turn it into that. How'd that come now? That was

836
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: written for the movie? I got a call about doing it.

837
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: I went over to you know, DreamWorks Amblin Spielberg studio

838
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: there and I sat with the director and Michael Austin,

839
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: I think, and they showed me basically the whole movie,

840
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: scene by scene and the ones that weren't finished. They

841
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: showed me storyboards for it, and we talked it through,

842
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: and they showed me the scene they wanted and kind

843
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: of told me the flavor. There was a Weezer song

844
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: on there, originally just as a temp track, I think,

845
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: so I took home a little DVD of it and

846
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: went to work on it and wrote it for the movie.

847
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: When you watched it was Chris Farley, the voice of

848
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: Shrek before Mike Myers when you saw it, because he

849
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: died obviously and they had to change it. No, it

850
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: was Mike Myers then. I'm pretty sure. I thought that

851
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: was a really great thing. I mean, there are very

852
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: few things in our culture that are timeless, you know,

853
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: like not much last generation after generation. But like my

854
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: grandmother saw snow White, my mom saw snow white. I

855
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: saw snow White. If I have kids, they'll see snow White.

856
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing in our culture that is

857
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: multi generational that lasts forever is a really good animated

858
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: movie like that. You know that stuff is timeless and

859
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: it's a chance to be part of something. I mean,

860
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: you have Miles Davis covering Someday My Prince Will Come,

861
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: that it spans all cultures. I thought that was. As

862
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: soon as I got the offer, my whole thought was,

863
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I want to do. This is

864
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: like being a really good Disney film. It was obviously

865
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: really good, you know, I saw it. I thought it

866
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: was fantastic, you know, and also has a chance to,

867
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, get new fans who are younger, and you know,

868
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I was so excited to do that because it'll be

869
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: there forever, and I'm really proud of the song, and

870
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: I think the movie's fantastic.

871
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

872
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 7: Bobby cast.

873
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 2: We talked about before you came in the tour, and

874
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: we'll get back to that in just a second. And

875
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: I've seen you a bunch, Eddie and I went to

876
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: your show when you were here last time.

877
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: We were the ones who were cheering. Where were you

878
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: standing up? Going?

879
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

880
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: It was us.

881
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: So for a long time, every show we would go to,

882
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: it seemed as you would change melodies of the hits.

883
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: Is it because you played them so much and you

884
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: were like, I just can't keep singing it over and

885
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: over again.

886
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: No, I think I did that from the beginning. I

887
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: think it's always seemed like it just seemed like living things,

888
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like the songs are you know,

889
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's like a coffee filter and you

890
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: pour your life through it every day, you know, they're

891
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: all different, I mean, and my perspective on mister Jones

892
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: when I wrote it as something I was like aspirational about,

893
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: is certainly different than my perspective now having actually lived

894
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: everything in that song for thirty years. Oh that's weird. Yeah,

895
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: you're right, you know, I mean, And that's true of

896
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: all the songs, because they're just things you felt and feel,

897
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: and so you know, you experience them a little differently

898
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: every day. I always felt like this stuff was just

899
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: I do think it's why I'm not bored, because I've

900
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: never really Someone said to me a while ago that

901
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: we should re record all of our records like Taylor

902
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: Swift did, because then we'd have all the publishing and

903
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to pay not publishing, we'd have all

904
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: the record rights, we wouldn't have to pay the record

905
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: company anything on it. But I have no idea how

906
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: those records go. I haven't sang them that way since

907
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: I recorded them that way. You know, they're kind of

908
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we'd be very good at that.

909
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: I thought the last show, though it was pretty I

910
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: felt like there was an effort to like be right

911
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: or maybe I've just heard you sing life so many

912
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: times that I just feel like that's normal or natural.

913
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like there was a lot of change,

914
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: did you ever, No, I didn't. I feel like it

915
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: was awesome.

916
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: And when you play a song like Isin on the Beach,

918
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: which I only had like a bootleg version of it,

919
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 2: is it weird that everybody knows this song?

920
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know I have. That's a song I played,

921
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: we played once in concert. I mean, it's basically a

922
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: demo from before we were at BAD. It was never

923
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: even attempted for the record. I played it once in

924
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: concert at this little club in San Francisco, screwed it

925
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: up and never played it again. That's it. I don't

926
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: think it's ever been played since that first time. Yeah,

927
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a clever song with great melodies,

928
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: but I've never loved it. Doesn't do anything for me

929
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: like inside, So I like it a lot as a

930
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: fun clever It was me trying to write a pop tune.

931
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: It was like an exercise, but I've never I've never

932
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: played it again. That's almost your radio head creep. Well

933
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: they played Creep way more times than what but forever

934
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: we're doing it.

935
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: So Okay, Look I'm gonna mention the tour again, I mean,

936
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: and so many of the cities that we're on. I'm

937
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: going to read some of these off, but everything from

938
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, Syracuse, Boston, there's so many shows, Raleigh obviously,

939
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: the Nashville show. You're doing here, and you go to

940
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Countycrows dot com to see all the shows, New Orleans.

941
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all of these cities that we're in.

942
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: You guys, it's an excellent show, but it just seems

943
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: like it's so much on the road. And when if

944
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: I tour, When I tour, I get to go do Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

945
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: and then I come back home. I get to do

946
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: this job. You ever been on the road so much?

947
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: You're like, why do I even have a house? Well,

948
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: I know why I have a house because I'm on

949
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: the road so much. It's really good to have a

950
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: place to come home too. I think that the weekend

951
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: thing would be fantastic. That's what Taylor Swift is doing.

952
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: She's playing weekends. I think that sounds like wonderfully relaxing.

953
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: But we're not playing stadiums. You know, we can't do

954
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: that because we can't we can't afford to do that,

955
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: but I also like I spent a lot of my

956
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: life on tour. I love playing shows. I love you know,

957
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: the people I know best in my life, my band

958
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: and my crew, A lot of the same people have

959
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: been there for thirty years, you know, and that's like family,

960
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: you know.

961
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy in that life. It's exhausting, for sure,

962
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: but it's a job. You know, it's work, but it's

963
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: definitely pretty satisfying. I mean, look, I was a kid,

964
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: look like I said, singing Beth to some kids behind school.

965
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: It's a pipe dream at that point. It is actually

966
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: how I've managed to support myself in my life. And

967
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: even after the pipe dream, Stilly is after I wrote

968
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: my first songs, I spent ten years in the clubs,

969
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, like really not knowing if I was going

970
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: to be able to take care of myself, and I've

971
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: been able to, and not just myself, but a whole

972
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: group of people that work with us. I guess I

973
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: just I'm very satisfied with it and proud of it.

974
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know, uh, there are with anything.

975
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: There are just times when I'm exhausted, like when I

976
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: just would rather be home, But it's also a life

977
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm really used to, you know, and I I still

978
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: love playing shows, you know, I really do.

979
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: County Crows Banshee season tour with the Dashboard Professional, which

980
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: he's coming in a couple of days. I'm big Chris. Yeah, Yeah,

981
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: we were talking. He's he's uh. He told me he's

982
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: coming in like a week or something. Yeah, I was

983
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: talking with him last night. He's coming up to visit

984
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: me in about a week.

985
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: Me and Chris and his wife, my girlfriend Emma, our

986
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: guitar player, and somebody else. We're all going to see

987
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in New York together. They're kind of stay

988
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: with us.

989
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: Do you have to pay for those tickets. Yeah, they

990
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: didn't give you to those tickets for free. I got tickets.

991
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I got youpy. You got it to buy.

992
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It's a business too, you know, especially at that level.

993
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: It's like you can't be giving out tickets to everybody

994
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: because it's just too hard after a while. I get that.

995
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: But I'm happy to sport. Although I'd still like to

996
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: play weekends and be that successful. We've never gotten to

997
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: quite be that successful. It does seem like a good life.

998
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: It's fifty six dates. It is kicking off June thirteenth.

999
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: You can go to Countingcrows dot com a quick note

1000
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: whenever you did the last ep the Butter Miracle. I

1001
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: liked them.

1002
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: When it came out all at once, I was like,

1003
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: this is the longest song I've ever heard, because the

1004
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: whole thing came out and it was all just connected.

1005
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: And then later it'll But I remember calling Eddie and goes,

1006
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: there's a twenty minute song out. You've got to listen

1007
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: to it, and he's like really, And then I called

1008
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: him back and I was like, wait, apparently it was all

1009
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: just tracks one twenty minute song.

1010
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: Let's commit to it now. Well it is.

1011
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: It's like it's four songs, but they flow together. Yeah,

1012
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: but all of it was so long. It's felt like

1013
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: a twenty minute song. It was all supposed to feel

1014
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: like a twenty minute song. I mean in a good way.

1015
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: I was trying to do something like the second side

1016
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: of Abbey Road or The Wild the Innocent, that first

1017
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: side of that. I just wanted to write something that

1018
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: really flowed that way. It's pretty cool in concert too.

1019
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: It works. I men't even sure it would work. I

1020
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: wrote it to work. But until you're done recording it

1021
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: and you get it all together. I didn't know if

1022
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: it was going to work. That's the most satisfied I've

1023
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: ever been was that when we put it all together

1024
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: and it worked, as when The Sweet worked, I was

1025
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: about as happy as.

1026
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: I've ever been about anything creative. Do you ever go

1027
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: back and hear an old track and go man Sonically?

1028
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: I wish I would have done it a different way.

1029
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: The only things that do that for me A little

1030
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: bit on the first album, The first album has a

1031
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: little bit of a sheen to it that I don't

1032
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: always I love those songs, and I think some of

1033
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: them got better playing them live. All the other records

1034
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: and this stuff I like exactly how it sounds. The

1035
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: first album, which I know is everybody's favorite, but and

1036
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I love the songs and the work we did on it.

1037
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: It's just some of the stuff I didn't know enough

1038
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: about making records then. Is my first record, and a

1039
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: little bit of that one I think is better. Those

1040
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: songs got better live and I learned how to sing

1041
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: them a little better after that. The rest of the records, know,

1042
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: I love the way it all sounds. Everything. Are you

1043
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: a loser if you were an artist's shirt to their concert.

1044
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't think so. I don't either. But

1045
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: some people think you're a big loser if you do that.

1046
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: It looks really bad. It looks like an idiot when

1047
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: you do that. I don't know if you should be

1048
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: wearing your own shirt at your concert, although my tour

1049
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: manager is constantly saying to me, know, if you wore

1050
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: that stuff on stage, we'd sell merch. But no, I

1051
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: think you know you kind of got it, don't you.

1052
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna go there, You're gonna buy a

1053
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: shirt and you put it on. Yes, I don't know.

1054
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: It's been a while since now, I know. I go

1055
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: to concerts and wear band shirts. I went to Gang

1056
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: of Use a little while ago. I was definitely wearing

1057
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: a Gang of Use shirt for sure. There you go.

1058
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: It's over. That's over, Eddie.

1059
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 8: Question before we go, Okay, Adam, So I saw you

1060
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 8: in Houston. I mean this is probably early two thousands,

1061
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 8: and speaking of security, we snuck our way back in

1062
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 8: there and we made it to your meet and greet

1063
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 8: and so. But on the way to your meet and greet,

1064
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 8: I saw.

1065
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: We had a meet and greet you did? You were

1066
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: playing with live it wasn't him, dude somebody before the show?

1067
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: Before the show, yes, okay.

1068
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 8: And I saw a really big dude, you know, like

1069
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 8: this guy's not normal?

1070
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 1: Who is This is Dennis Rodman and he was back there?

1071
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: What was that like?

1072
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 8: And who, like, has just come to one of your

1073
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 8: shows where you're just like, this is graze?

1074
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: I never knew as a fan, Dennis, Oh this is

1075
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: that's like ninety nine, that's a while. Dennis was good

1076
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: friends with the guys in Live and so I knew

1077
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Speaker 1: him through them. And he had this thing like robmin

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Speaker 1: TV back then, and it was like really early internet

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Speaker 1: kind of thing that he had where he had a

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Speaker 1: bus and a bunch of strippers and he would drive

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Speaker 1: around the country filming like internet content and uh, it

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Speaker 1: was pretty wild. And he he would like he toured

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Speaker 1: with us for a while, like he came out to

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Speaker 1: visit Live and then they had their own bus, so

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Speaker 1: they just traveled around with us for a while, like

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Speaker 1: coming to shows and hanging out. I mean, Dennis is

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Speaker 1: a fantastic guy. He's amazing, you know, he's really different.

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Speaker 1: I kind of love how unique he is, and he

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Speaker 1: can be kind of like brash but also kind of

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Speaker 1: sensitive and I always I haven't seen him in a

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Speaker 1: lot time, but I loved that guy. He was just

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Speaker 1: wild and fun. You know, we'd go out and do stuff,

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Speaker 1: go to bars. He loved to go to strip clubs,

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Speaker 1: so we do that sometimes. Went to one in Atlanta once,

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Speaker 1: like the Cheetah, and he got an argument with a

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Speaker 1: car in the parking lot and I said it again,

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Speaker 1: he got an argument with a well, he got an

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Speaker 1: argument with a guy, but the guy had a car

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Speaker 1: and the guy tried to drive the car at Dennis.

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Speaker 1: So Dennis just punched the car, got it punched out

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Speaker 1: the car, a moving car. I will say it was

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Speaker 1: a very impressive moment. I was like, it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like he's gonna win that confrontation. But I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, he did punch the car and he won,

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Speaker 1: and you don't you rarely see that. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean Dennis. I just thought he was a fantastic guy,

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Speaker 1: like completely unique and out of place in the NBA

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways and just didn't care, just

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Speaker 1: did his own thing. Yeah. I loved that guy. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen him in years. He was really a good

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Speaker 1: friend with the guys in life. But I loved hanging

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Speaker 1: out with him. He was crazy at Counting Countingcrows dot Com.

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Speaker 1: The tour, it's almost sixty dates. I will be at

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Speaker 1: the one here. You're playing at the Opry House, which

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Speaker 1: is super cool. But basically every city we're in you're

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Speaker 1: in really been cool to sit with you. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate the thank you like this has been you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I might appede a little. I'm just saying it.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. Yeah, the last few drops are for the underwear.

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Speaker 2: You know. I had to be put alphabetical and stood

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Speaker 2: in line next to Fred Durst.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've stood in line. I mean

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Speaker 1: I knew Fred back then, but Durret's Durst. Yeah you

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Speaker 1: think class you guys would be called right after each

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Speaker 1: right in front of him. Okay, there it is best

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Speaker 1: question ahead. Its great. It all night for that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, you guys go check out the tour Counting

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Speaker 2: Crows Countingcrows dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Adam, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 7: Thanks you guys, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast

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Speaker 7: production