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Speaker 1: Piece of the plane in Charlamagne to God here and

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Speaker 1: as we come closer to closing out this year, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for tuning it into

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Speaker 1: the Black Effect podcast network. There have been so many

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Speaker 1: great moments over the past year. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: some of those captivating moments in this special best of episode.

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Speaker 2: I try to be myself in my younger days. It

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Speaker 2: was a whole too much smiling. It hurt my face

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Speaker 2: that I was smiling trying to be at this stage

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Speaker 2: of the game. I'm like, let me find out what

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Speaker 2: we have in common. And then you know, like or

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Speaker 2: I know already what we have in common, because I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, if it's a celebrity and we start talking

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Speaker 2: about that, we're not talking about the album, We're not

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Speaker 2: talking about the movie or whatever it is that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: And so we had a whole ten minute conversation about

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Speaker 2: something that they really wanted to talk about before we

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Speaker 2: even started really talking. And then okay, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: you know, the new film that you have out, and

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Speaker 2: that's and if you look at and when I look

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Speaker 2: at some of my old clips, people go like, Ralph,

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Speaker 2: you really know that person.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, not really, I.

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Speaker 2: Just meant to that day, but it seems like you

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Speaker 2: and and you know what, fifty Cents said that to

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Speaker 2: me one day, the rapper fifty Cent said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: when I'm on video music box, I can be myself.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's not like when.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing big network thing. You know, I'm I automatically.

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Speaker 2: My whole persona Ralph changes when I'm with you. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's good, so let's talk.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 5: I think it does it?

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Speaker 5: I think that, And I'm gonna play in this podcast,

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Speaker 5: interview when you gave me my biggest shot in life.

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Speaker 5: You gave me that moment that would change my life,

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Speaker 5: and I'm going to play that. Yeah, you may you

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Speaker 5: going on in life. And I think there's a big

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Speaker 5: lesson we can learn from it. Now, as you just

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Speaker 5: said that, I want to do the same thing with you.

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Speaker 5: I very rarely get a chance to repay you for

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Speaker 5: all the things you have done for me, but I

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Speaker 5: want to do the same thing right now. Hey, Ralph,

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Speaker 5: I want to hear about, you know, the new children's

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Speaker 5: me why did you create this, what is the book about,

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Speaker 2: So, you know, I've been working in libraries for the

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Speaker 3: Of the library.

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Speaker 2: We don't see enough you know, hip hop stuff that

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Speaker 2: And so I said, you know, if I do it,

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Speaker 2: For people that know and who are backing me in

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Speaker 3: Now we got to get the kids. And I wanted to.

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Speaker 5: What is the book? And so how old are the

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Speaker 2: The video music box story, it's about this parent who

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Speaker 3: And that's what this is about. This book is better.

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Speaker 5: And when you did that, you said nobody had a problem.

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Speaker 5: Why do you Why do you think that is because previously,

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Speaker 5: But now you walk in the room, you have to

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Speaker 4: One of the one of the main things my teacher

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Speaker 5: I mean they stood up with this guy. This guy

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Speaker 4: that's always been an issue, is the is the the

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Speaker 5: He's never going to marry you. Yeah, because I had

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Speaker 5: place because I was I was a guy. Yeah you know, yeah,

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Speaker 5: why would you stick it out? Or where was the indications?

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Speaker 5: Because I remember a lot of people say, do you rightfully?

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Speaker 5: So what are you doing? You're you're a beautiful young woman,

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Speaker 5: You're smart. Yeah, not like you out there looking for

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Speaker 5: guys in the sense of, oh, you know, I need

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Speaker 5: to be on I don't even think social media was around.

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Speaker 5: Why would you stay around?

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well, when I met you were thirty seven, I

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Speaker 7: had just turned twenty two. I just moved from Philadelphia

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Speaker 7: to New York, so I had just I actually skipped

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Speaker 7: a year. I finished college a year earlier. So then

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Speaker 7: I was having my time to just like hang out,

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Speaker 7: go to clubs, like move to a new city, you know,

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Speaker 7: meet new people. I wasn't looking for a husband, right,

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Speaker 7: I was hanging out. I was doing what a twenty

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Speaker 7: two year old should be.

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Speaker 5: Doing, right, Yeah, getting to know them cells and yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Got my own apartment in Jersey. I was going out.

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Speaker 7: So when I met you, there was no immediate expectation

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Speaker 7: at that time. My next step in life was get

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Speaker 7: a damn job.

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